Why the delay in the Brady ruling?

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The NFL Players Association believes that, for a variety of reasons, Commissioner Roger Goodell isn’t the best person to be handling the appeals of discipline imposed on players by Goodell or the executives who report to him. Here’s one more reason to which the NFLPA possibly could now point.

The NFLPA could argue that Goodell doesn’t follow the rules that apply to the appeals.

On Tuesday, Goodell said that “[t]here is no deadline” for a ruling on the appeal of Tom Brady’s four-game suspension. While the Collective Bargaining Agreement may not identify a specific number of days within which a decision must be made on appeals of this nature, Article 46, Section 2(d) requires that a decision be issued “[a]s soon as practicable” after the hearing ends.

Practicable” means, according to the folks at Merriam-Webster.com, means “capable of being put into practice or of being done or accomplished.” Which makes “as soon as practicable” a fancy lawyer way of saying “as soon as possible.”

So there is a deadline. The deadline is, “Get it done as soon as you can.”

Currently, 29 days have passed since the Brady hearing, and nearly three weeks have transpired since the NFL and NFLPA submitted written briefs regarding their positions, based on the things said at the hearing.

“We want to make sure we have a fair and open process,” Goodell added on Tuesday.

But the process has concluded. The hearing had ended. And no one seriously believes that Goodell is poring over the transcript with a fully-open mind, bracing for a potential “Eureka!” moment that causes a 180-degree change in his thinking.

His mind undoubtedly was made up before the hearing. It’s highly unlikely that anything that happened during the hearing made a difference. For now, the goal is for the league’s lawyers to craft a written ruling that Goodell will sign — and that will be able to withstand the scrutiny of a federal judge.

The delay also could be aimed at getting Brady to accept a deal. If, for example, Goodell plans to reduce the suspension to two games, either because that was the plan all along or because that was the wink-nod arrangement when the Patriots dropped their own appeal rights, it’s better to drop the suspension to two games in exchange for an agreement from Brady to drop his right to take the matter to court, ending the matter now.

Regardless, this all should have been done long before today. The league needed only five days after the issuance of the 243-page Ted Wells report to drop the hammer on Brady in May. A full month isn’t needed for Goodell to review the decision he previously approved.

283 responses to “Why the delay in the Brady ruling?

  1. They now know the Wells report is fiction and all Brady’s and the Patriot’s sanctions are undeserved. Now they need the spin doctors to come up with some sort of face-saving message.

  2. Idiot Goodell is just buying time so this can all be swept under the rug just like all the other cheating situations the patsies got caught in!!! Don’t worrie patsie fans the by GOD partsies, the darlings of the NFL will not missing Brady, Goodell will dissmiss his suspension, just watch!!!

  3. TB’s looking for exoneration, not a reduction. Goodell’s Busch-league attempt at arbitration will find exposed in a real court of law, along with that ridiculous dog and pony show conducted by Wells. Not to say that Brady is culpable or not, just pointing toward the immense ineptitude within league administration.

  4. Does anyone really think Brady would accept any games off – essentially admitting that he cheated?

    The only “deal” I can see him accepting would be the no games off / 4 game fine thats been kicked about here.

    Otherwise I think he’s heading straight to court.

    And given the above – the NFL has to be absolutely terrified. Terrified. Sure maybe Brady would have to hand over his cell phone – which may or may not have anything on it – but the NFL would then be dragged through another court battle which seems to be lose/lose for them.

  5. He peeing is pants over the prospect of the outcry that will accompany his decision, from either side. He let the inmates run the prison on this one, and is now stuck with this huge mess. He should be firing Kensil for his behavior, and tell Grigson to grow a pair and put a good team on the field if he wants it to be a fair fight. But he seems to think that he has to follow through with this foolishness to appease the fans who will blow up on Twitter (like cowards) and elsewhere about Brady getting preferential treatment, blah blah blah. If he keeps things as they are, or even leaves it at one game, he’s gonna get an earful from NE fans. He is trapped in his own mess, and he knows it, now. What a dummy.

  6. Because the longer the decision takes the more uncertainty the Pats have about who will start the season, have to split reps between Brady and Garrapolo.

    Ie; just another way this former NY Jets employee can stick it to the Pats. Its blatantly obvious.

  7. The delay is that Brady won’t accept a reduced suspension for something that’s been proven never occurred.
    Goodell hasn’t followed to protocol of the CBA
    Goodell hasn’t acknowledged that Well’s report is flawed on countless levels and doesn’t support suspending Brady or fining the Patriots. He now has to figure out how to cover his can. Somehow he needs to exonerate Brady and rescind the penalty to the Patriots all the while knowing the backlash he’s going to take from the other 31 teams fans, just because they have a hunch something happened because of a single irrelevant text 8 months prior to the Colts game.

  8. One reason for the delay could be that the parties are working on a settlement agreement and need to negotiate what is or is not said with the settlement.

  9. Florio, are you finally admitting that the NFL’s process in this case isn’t “fair and open” like Goodell said? Why not just say that in a declarative statement.

    You continually give credence to the idea that Goodell can’t overturn the Brady suspension because he and thee NFL would look bad. In fact, the opposite is true.

    Let me give you a historical analogy. The Three-Fifths Compromise, a compromise reached between delegates from southern states and those from northern states during the 1787 United States Constitutional Convention, allowing for slaves to be counted as less than a whole person when determining a state’s total population for legislative representation and taxing purposes.

    Sometimes compromise is just plain wrong. Especially when it covers up an injustice.

  10. “For now, the goal is for the league’s lawyers to craft a written ruling that Goodell will sign — and that will be able to withstand the scrutiny of a federal judge.”

    That’s what it all boils down to. But shouldn’t Goodell be the one crafting the ruling? Isn’t he supposed to be deciding the outcome, not lawyers doing a CYA exercise?

  11. He’s delaying to find a way that he can save the most of his reputation. No matter how he rules, people are going to be angry, and rightfully so.

    This should not have been blown up to what it has become, the leaks out of the NFL office during the investigation, including a bunch of false information, were unacceptable, and it should have been dealt with before the Super Bowl.

    But now Goodell needs to find a way to save face after this fiasco.

  12. The Patriots are the most disgraceful and untrustworthy organization in all of professional sports. They will never escape the scandal and tainted legacy built by a crooked coach and QB. Forever the skidmark of the league, seen by all but a brat pack located in Boston.

  13. This will be my first positive about Roger Goodell EVER.
    Goodell holds all the cards, the NFLPA threatening a lawsuit if they don’t don’t get their desired outcome is certainly a reason to delay the ruling. Also, Brady should welcome a decision based on careful examination of this situation since he swears he had no involvement.
    Goodell should take his time with this especially after the possibility of litigation and because public threats are a poor way to conduct your business.
    Its chess vs. Checkers now and Goodell is in control. Take your time Roger…

  14. I don’t know why the moron said there is no timeline, clearly there is if he made the choice to suspend him the first four games…..so you think the deadline would be sometime before then??? Goddamn enough with Goodell, can he just fire himself please

  15. Goodell’s minions now have a lot more to worry about than Tom taking them to court, this Romo thing is gonna blow up in the league’s face big time.

  16. The appeal hearing was probably the first time they looked at this with a critical eye. It was a total clown show started before the AFCCG right on through to the Vincent statement.
    One big fountain of misinformation.

  17. They are just waiting on training camp to start so everyone who isn’t a Patriots fan is worried about their own team doesn’t get as angry about the NFL being lenient on cheaters.

  18. Time to give Brady a matching pink tutu to go along with Coach Billy’s crystal cleats, er… slippers and magic Kraft wand. It’s what you do when you’re bigger than the game.

  19. Can they wait until the day before the pat’s first game to issue the ruling so Brady has no time to put together a court case and will then really end up missing those games? Just a thought.

  20. Because swift, decisive sanctions where ‘ignorance is no excuse’ are reserved only for Sean Payton and the New Orleans Saints.

  21. Just wait until the league and everyone else is measuring footballs during the season. How will Goodell explain those off? This thing is a whole football season from being over..

  22. Why do the owners tolerate this nonsense. This is good for the game/league? At $44 million a year this man could/should have handled this whole episode much better than this. A monkey could have done a better job.

  23. Most industries ripe for fraud pulling the type of money in that pro sports pulls in is regulated by the federal government in some capacity. I think FIFA and now the systemic unethical conduct from the NFL shows there should be more government intervention at a concentrated and direct level governing these leagues. Goodell is walking around like an unregulated hedge fund manager – making things up as he goes along, charging as he sees fit, buy, selling and pricing however the wind blows, manipulating the public, partners and every stakeholder involved in order to grow the NFL’s wallet. If they want to continue to steal from the American public I would love to see an independent hammer come down on the NFL and make an example of them, exposing the hypocrisy of their organization and forcing complete transparency.

  24. Because Goodell wants to come across as thorough when in reality he is like the kid who finishes his test last in class and gets a consistent F.

  25. I’ll tell you why. The NFL does not want this thing to end up in Federal Court. The longer they wait, the closer it will be to the start of the season. Tom Brady will not want to juggle fighting the NFL’s appeal in court with preparing for the regular season. The longer the league waits, the less likely Brady is to appeal

  26. What they really need to do is get an independent panel to review the science in the Wells report and/or take measurements during the season. Either way, the suspension needs to be put on hold or Brady needs to be exonerated.

    This mess comes down to one simple premise that needs to be answered – was the difference in deflation between the Colts footballs and the Patriots footballs due to the conditions or due to tampering.

    To me the simple fact that the the perceived amount of deflation IF it occurred is so tiny, that it cannot be confirmed makes it extremely unlikely that any tampering occurred.

    When you also take into account the bias in the Wells report – ref used a different gauge, not the one he said he used, the Colts footballs were NOT measured at the end of the half giving them a chance to reach equilibrium, and the intercepted football was gauged by the colts 3 times and was found to be NOT DEFLATED and exactly where it was supposed to be per the ideal gas law makes it a slam dunk that nothing happened.

  27. Has any team, in any sport ever cheated as much as the Patriots? You just know there is another cheating scandal of some type just around the corner.

  28. His legacy is tarnished forever. 20 years from now when our grandchildren ask us about TB, 90% of us will answer “Cheater.” FACT.

  29. Goodell is measuring the media interest in the outcome to decide what the punishment should be.

    Typical finger-in-the-air politician.

    Heck, he should run for president.

  30. I really don’t know how Goodell still has a job. Whether you are for or against the Pats/Brady on this issue Goodell and the NFL has botched this and every other recent appeal…Hardy, Rice etc. I know he is bringing in millions for the owners but seriously a rock could be running the NFL and it would make money. And if Goodell is so concerned about perception it is time for him to look in the mirror…..

  31. Goodell doesn’t do rules very well. He has no legal training. He just says whatever comes off the top of his head. He also doesn’t care about consistency or precedent.

    He’s little more than a glorified press secretary. Except somehow he earns $44M per year and has the power to destroy a player’s reputation.

    In the current situation, he’s stalling because he doesn’t know what to do. He created this mess and he childishly thinks that putting it off will somehow help him.

  32. 2 games for cheating, & 2 games for lying & obstructing. Don’t tell investigators that you don’t know someone and then they find that you textef that person 6 times about something you say didnt happen
    Then the guy goes by the name” the Deflator”

  33. hehateme2 says:
    Jul 22, 2015 10:44 AM

    Goodell…. the Ashley Madison of the NFL.

    ___________________________________

    Obvious typo. I fixed it for you.

  34. I think it’s more probable than not that Roger Goodell is generally aware he screwed this one badly.

  35. Whether you believe Brady is innocent or you know he cheated, I think can we all agree this is taking far too long. It’s reached the point of absurdity.

  36. “Goodell holds all the cards, the NFLPA threatening a lawsuit if they don’t don’t get their desired outcome is certainly a reason to delay the ruling. ”

    That doesn’t make sense. If Goodell is confident, what’s his motivation to stall? Goodell is stalling precisely because he fears an NFLPA lawsuit. He fears a lawsuit because he’ll lose control over the process.

  37. A totally dishonest NFL Commissioner and perhaps also, all those under Roger Goodell fall under the same heading. The talk of getting things right are lies, cover-ups and excuses from a man who care very little for the NFL fans. A man drunk with power he does not deserve. He owns a 40 plus million dollar a year job obviously his U.S. Senator’s father helped him get. So if so many on this site can give their opinions I too would like to suggest.. people who get fantastic jobs they don’t necessary deserve are also often people a sense of entitlement Is this the kind of man who is ideally suited to be the NFL Commissioner of one of the great pro sports in the world? I say not even close. What an aggravating lying individual this guy is. If we the fans could at least have non-binding vote on who should be commissioner…. would Goodell stand a chance? I say again NO WAY, he’s act like a cowardly bully! The league, the teams, the players and the fans deserve a man who is above the kind of shenanigans this guy seem to revel in. So frustrating to see so many of us have to put up with this charade. If Mr. Goodell is an extension of the U.S. senate, his act is not much better than theirs. They don’t care about the American people except on election day and Roger is cut from the same cloth. Please get rid of this man as soon as possible. He has been ruining this sport for years and the NFL will make money just the same without his involvement.

  38. The delay is due to fact that the league is dealing with a petulant baby in one Tom Brady. His complete inability to accept the fact he got caught cheating the other 31 teams in the league. He and his legal team are going to give the NFL a black in the process.

    Even his hero, Joe Montana, knows he’s lying.

    “…somebody did it for him,” said Joe Montana. “But I don’t know why everybody is making a big deal out of trying to figure out who did it. It’s pretty simple. If it was done, it was done for a reason. There is only one guy that does it. Nobody else cares what the ball feels like.”

  39. There’s no need rush for Brady. He’s going to serve a 4 game suspension at the start of the season. The longer Brady waits for a decision the better it is for the NFL. The more the clock ticks the more likely Brady gives in. BOOK IT.

  40. They will announce any suspension after week 1’s game, it’s all about ratings and they need ole Cheatin’ Tommy in that game.

  41. This matter hasn’t concluded simply because Brady WON’T agree to any deal that does not include complete exoneration.

    The league keeps trying to offer something that Brady will accept – in an attempt to keep this out of court where the NFL will be embarrassed…

    I expect “no games, small fine” to be the final result – it is the only way Goodell can keep his job.

  42. It’s laughable listening to all haters moan and groan about Brady, knowing they would love to have him as their QB. I love the hate!!!

  43. .
    If Brady’s lawyers suggest that he take a two game suspension, and a 900k fine, plus the Patriots loss of two high draft choices, then they ought to be disbarred.

    When will Troy Vincent give a press conference to decry the 6.5 million dollar yearly salary for league attorney, Pash? Will he be discussing Roger Goodell’s 44 million salary while simultaneously butchering the bounty gate, Rice, Peterson and Hardy cases?
    .

  44. dcmidnight says:Jul 22, 2015 10:41 AM

    Does anyone really think Brady would accept any games off – essentially admitting that he cheated?

    The only “deal” I can see him accepting would be the no games off / 4 game fine thats been kicked about here.

    Otherwise I think he’s heading straight to court.

    And given the above – the NFL has to be absolutely terrified. Terrified. Sure maybe Brady would have to hand over his cell phone – which may or may not have anything on it – but the NFL would then be dragged through another court battle which seems to be lose/lose for them.
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    Wrong on many levels..4 game fine 1.8 Mil. please, not chump change.
    Cell phone has nothing to do with “Shop Law”, fairness of the process. The NFL didn’t prove anything! The Wells report is so flawed it will be thrown out. Goodell is being a *rick, even though the League is wrong as usual on this attempt at discipline. More probable than not this is going to Court. Seems like the only way for Brady to get a fair shot at cleaing his name.

  45. I’m sorry, the day the Patriots asked all the football fans to believe that an employee’s nickname is “Deflator” because he is on a weight loss plan is the day they lost the PR battle.

    I know there are other theories out there but clearly Brady was aware of the cheating because the cheating was done mostly for Brady’s benefit. By the guy trying to lose all that weight.

  46. Ah, the fresh troll tears are rolling out. Now that science is showing this was a witch hunt all along, we get the “We know they are cheaters!” posts.

    Grow up, be happy your team is in the NFL and look forward to the day they have their time in the limelight and other team’s fans will make excuses and whine over how your team must be cheating to win.

  47. karmathaitch says:
    Jul 22, 2015 10:49 AM

    Tagliabue would of had this done by December 2014
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    If the NFL had a real commissioner, there wouldn’t have been any of “this” to begin with.

  48. The longer they delay, the longer the NFL can milk the anticipation for more attention/TV segments/page clicks. Heck, the top 8 stories on this site are all about this. This is what the NFL wants.

  49. Anyone with an IQ….wants Brady to fight this to the end.

    I hope he gives nothing…and as time goes on…continues to PAY BACK those who blatantly came after him…with zero evidence.Nail him Tom.

  50. The longer this goes on the more Goodell is admitting he is screwed if this goes to court. He will not survive this. The other owners, who might have been happy with the Pats getting busted at one time, have to be seething by now.

    Slowly even the haters have come to realize just how badly he mishandles everything he touches.

    The idea that Goodell “makes them billions” is a farce. He’s threatening to destroy a cash machine with his ineptitude on this issue and many others.

    He should resign and join the GOP field running for president. he’d fit right in

  51. This is all gamesmanship to increase the pressure on Brady to accept some sort of deal. The longer the NFL waits, the more likely Brady risks missing a playoff or late season game if the legal process doesn’t work out for him.

    But, as with all things NFL, Goodell has massively overplayed his hand. While trying to squeeze Brady, he has managed to turn even more people in the middle ground against him. There’s no legitimate reason to wait this long. It’s either PR or a ploy and most people know this.

    I’m also guessing that Goodell wants to put himself in the best possible position to receive the counter thrust from Brady’s camp. You’ve got to know that multiple lawsuits will be launched within hours of his release of the decision.

    While we wait, everyone should keep in mind that the NFL still doesn’t have any evidence that Brady did anything. Yet, this is how they are doing business…

  52. Why does Goodell think Brady would do him a favor and get him out of this jam, if he is the one that is behind this?

  53. It’s funny to me how many non-football fans read PFT.

    How else can it be explained that this many people angrily care this much about air, the weight of dollar bill, gave anyone a advantage?

    People then ask, why do it? I still don’t think he did anything as there has never been any mention of what he likes the ball to be at other then close 12.5.

    Based on what balls were measured at at halftime, Brady would have to like ball at 12.1 PSI. No one can tell 12.1 from 12.5

    There were segments on TV with former QB’s saying they could tell difference between balls at 13.5, 12.5 and 10.5. Think this is where story got of hand, casual fans saw this and thought “see! there is a big difference” but as we now the report of 11 of 12 balls be under by 2.0 PSI was an erroneous report.

    But 0.4 is not something anyone could tell, would have no advantage or be worth trouble. Much different story if world sees PSI was .4 diff.

    IF anything shady happened I think it’s that Brady made point to have all balls as close to 12.5 as possible and ball attendant after seeing Ref blow up to 16 PSI in October game thought let’s just ensure balls are at 12.5 after ref “approves” them. Drops a pin in them to get to 12.5.

  54. There is nothing “open” about this closed door process. We haven’t even seen the transcripts that the NFL could release at any time – but the one thing that drives Roger is the winds of public opinion, and if there’s one things jealous fans hate more than Roger Goodell it’s the Patriots’ success – thus Brady is made to be Roger’s scapegoat for botching multiple Domestic Violence and other “gates”

    GoodellGate – if the media beyond PFT and a few select true reporters (Sally Jenkins at the Washington Post) takes even a superficial look they would hold Goodell’s feet to the fire on a litany of issues

    Not the least of which is the false info (11 of 12 and 2psi under) they leaked to ESPN and then in writing from NFL VP Dave Gardi to the Patriots that affirmed the false information – and likely made Brady’s press conference so bad (wondering if someone really had tampered when the actual numbers showed no one had)

    If this were a fair and open proceeding Goodell would exonerate Brady and issue an apology and hope Brady chooses not to file a defamation suit against Goodell and the NFL

    The fact that still hasn’t happened shows that Goodell is working on a Watergate type cover up, hoping the jealous NFL fan base of 31 other teams are gullible enough to believe him (and thus far, they have been)

  55. jimmyt says:

    Has any team, in any sport ever cheated as much as the Patriots? You just know there is another cheating scandal of some type just around the corner.

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    probably the dolphins when shula coached them.

    more probable than not that is how they went undefeated one season.

    see how easy it is to accuse with no proof, now prove the negative, the same way Godell wants Brady to do.

  56. Because if they file the lawsuit too early, it will be dismissed at the end of August and Brady won’t be around for the season opener. That affects ratings.

  57. iamkillerfin says:Jul 22, 2015 10:37 AM

    Idiot Goodell is just buying time so this can all be swept under the rug just like all the other cheating situations the patsies got caught in!!! Don’t worrie patsie fans the by GOD partsies, the darlings of the NFL will not missing Brady, Goodell will dissmiss his suspension, just watch!!!
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    Goodell is an idiot, we agree there. Where was a letter? SD got 25K fine for stickum on the ball. Vikings were putting balls in the dryer. A letter stating “not to do that!” Favre 25K for not showing Roger his sexting his junk. This was a sting that went bad because the League never measured Fballs before a game. Walt Anderson didn’t have a clue!

  58. If you recall, the league posted a job ad for an expert in pulling data off phones. My guess is that Brady turned over his phone but that it takes sometime to screen applicants and hire someone. On average it takes American employers 22 days to do this — twice the rate of pre-recession plus they need to be sure they are not hiring someone favorably disposed to Brady

  59. I think he’s finally realizing how shaky the ground he stands on is and is pushing this for as long as he possibly can because how much longer can the owners keep the guy in power?
    His ego gets the better of him each & every time, he over reaches/reacts, refuses to back down & then is made to look foolish when a 3rd party overturns him. Each time that happens he gets more toothless but somehow his ego remain, so he over reaches again & again yet the players fear him less & less because he’s become a joke. They know whatever he hands down as punishment will never stand.
    He can’t get out of his own way, even when he’s in the right he botches it & comes out looks a bad/dumb guy (see the Ray Rice thing), the man is completely incompetent. Doesn’t help that he insists on trying to make himself a star, you never heard or saw Tags this much.

  60. argavarga says:

    His legacy is tarnished forever. 20 years from now when our grandchildren ask
    us about TB, 90% of us will answer “Cheater.” FACT.

    ================================

    His legacy 20 years from now when our grandchildren ask us about TB, 90% of us will answer “SB MVP multiple times and HOF.” FACT.

    10% will say cheater and take a slug of rotten gin

    there, fixed that for you

  61. same old jealous haters, denying science and reality to hold onto their unhealthy, obsessive hate for all things Patriots.

    Guys really oughtta seek professional help for your pathologies….it kinda feakin scary.

    This movie and all of the characters in it, spewing their same old lines are getting really old n tired now

  62. Hey Roger, if you have the truth and the facts on your side why the delay??
    Why the need to strategically time/date the roll out of your decision??

    Such incompetence!

  63. as said multiple times, suspend the penalty and fines and conduct testing this year to determine what Boyle said about temperature and its impact on the pressure of a gas.

    and then try to determine why 75% of the colt’s balls were also under 12.5 psig, and fine them too if applicable.

    imo, the worst thing done was the guy going to the bathroom with the balls, to me that is fineable.

    stupidest thing was saying the deflator was losing weight.

    facts, the referee in the jets game gave the patriots 16 psig footballs

    every QB does what they want to the football

    brady never said prepare the footballs below 12.5 psig

    kensil told the pats prior to the game, they were screwed

    grigson hates and is jealous of the pats

  64. Why all the fuss? 31 against 1, hardly seems fair.
    That’s going to be an issue for not only the Pariots but, your Team next! Let’s see how that goes over? Good news if your Team sux, maybe just get a letter?

  65. If indeed Tom Brady is exonerated, and the Patriots’ punishment is completely over-turned. Will the Patriots do the right thing and re-hire the two men who were fired who took care of the footballs?

    My guess it’s they won’t.

  66. “The longer Brady waits for a decision the better it is for the NFL.”

    Again, this doesn’t make any sense. There is literally no logic that supports this argument.

    As Mike points out, gratuitous stalling violates the CBA. The more Goodell stalls, the worse his side will look in court.

  67. why the delay?? because the NFL doesn’t want to have the super bowl champions play the first game of the season WITHOUT their star QB of course. I’m sure something will be worked out by week 2 or 3, but rest assured he will be out there on the field for the opener.

  68. “Don’t tell investigators that you don’t know someone and then they find that you textef that person 6 times about something you say didnt happen
    Then the guy goes by the name” the Deflator””

    What is it like to go through life this dopey? You can’t even keep basic facts about the situation straight, and yet you want to dictate the appropriate punishment.

    You have great potential as the Commissioner of the NFL, actually!

  69. They’re holding out in hopes the laws of physics change in the next couple of weeks. These are people that didn’t realize temperature changes affect ball pressure, remember, the whole thing is basically witchcraft to them.

  70. “ike1973 says:
    Jul 22, 2015 10:50 AM

    Can they wait until the day before the pat’s first game to issue the ruling so Brady has no time to put together a court case and will then really end up missing those games? Just a thought.”

    No.

    It would literally take just an hour or so to get an emergency injunction to stop the punishment from going into effect. The standard is “irreparable harm” and it’s clear that the question of whether the suspension is just has to be resolved before it’s imposed.

    Anybody who thinks this is a good idea for Goodell is implicitly saying that they think he’ll lose in court. Indeed, if Goodell tries nonsense like this, it’ll work against him once it goes to court.

  71. The word “practicable” should never be used in anything, ever.

    History is filled with serious mistakes on just this one word. Even a war changed directions due to its use.

    That being said, waiting like this is a slap in the face to fans and to the integrity of the game, business or not.

  72. Here comes the storm of bandwagon Cavs/Royals/Patriots fans that were nowhere to be found from 2005 through 2013.

  73. This is such a joke.

    I hope they institute a new rule for 2015. Each coach will be given a green challenge flag that he can throw at anytime to have the ref examine the air pressure in the football.

    The ref will have to go under the hood where a gauge is monitored by video feed direct to TV.

    Can’t wait for completion percentages to drop into the 35-40 range. The fantasy football crowd, aka the other billion dollar football business, will have a fit.

    But air pressure matters and this is all for the integrity of the game.

    Maybe 2015 will be the year they make a point of emphasis on pads. I’m sure you are all aware that the NFL requires all players to where leg and knee pads

    Some WRs and DBs don’t because they feel more comfortable without them

    I’m sure the same guy that came up with the fumble stats will dig up 40 yard dash times that “prove” the advantage of going pad less.

    And we will hear cheat cheat cheat all over the league.

  74. “whatjusthapped says:
    Jul 22, 2015 11:14 AM
    I’m sorry, the day the Patriots asked all the football fans to believe that an employee’s nickname is “Deflator” because he is on a weight loss plan is the day they lost the PR battle.”


    That may be, but this is not a PR battle. That’s why Brady and the NFLPA will take this to court. You can’t suspend a guy/take away picks/huge fines, etc because of PR.

    The PR battle was lost the day the NFL leaked information they KNEW to be false to ESPN while at the same time threatening the Patriots with harsh penalties if they spoke publicly about the issue.

    Fortunately none of that matters one whit to the courts

  75. Goodell is the worst Commissioner of any sport in the history of American professional sports. The entire NFL hierarchy is incompetent and prejudicial. Forget this is Brady for a second and substitute your favorite QB in his place….which is actually conceivable…how would you feel? Instead of set up a sting operation…perhaps establishing proper protocol with calibrated equipment with a heads up to competing teams might have been the professional thing to do. Now the league looks like idiots and Brady has to go to court to defend his reputation….you can’t make this stuff up!!!

  76. “For now, the goal is for the league’s lawyers to craft a written ruling that Goodell will sign — and that will be able to withstand the scrutiny of a federal judge.”
    ***********************************
    Or the problem is crafting a decision that explains the contradiction of an owner who said,”no mas”, with a reduced or eliminated suspension for Brady.

    How can you wipeout the player penalty, juxtaposed against the franchise that has been severely penalized? Writing a creative piece that passes judicial muster and is digestible to an ever skeptical fanbase, can’t be an easy proposition.

  77. Regardless of what happens…fans across the country (outside of the northeast) do not trust the Patriots organization and will always question their credibility and championship validity. They always put themselves in precarious situations and simply stated, its become a trend with this organization. Trust is hard to regain once its been compromised.

  78. This a just a publicity stunt for the NFL… They are still making headlines in the offseason.. This was all planned… Brady is in on it too!

  79. Actually, any lawyer will tell you that “as soon as practicable” is not the necessarily the same as “as soon as possible.” For example in Canada, it is expressly stated that for giving DUI tests, the “as soon as practicable” requirement does NOT mean as soon as possible.

    Either way, Goodell was not making a legal commitment. Look for the report to be issued late on a Friday (summer) afternoon.

  80. Lol. Open and fair and Goodell dont belong in the same sentence.

    This guy is a total moron. He already had his mind up when Kensil framed Brady and the Wells Report.

  81. whatjusthapped says:
    Jul 22, 2015 11:14 AM

    I’m sorry, the day the Patriots asked all the football fans to believe that an employee’s nickname is “Deflator” because he is on a weight loss plan is the day they lost the PR battle.

    I know there are other theories out there but clearly Brady was aware of the cheating because the cheating was done mostly for Brady’s benefit. By the guy trying to lose all that weight.

    ————————————————

    What “cheating” occurred? There is no proof that a guy named Deflator deflated any ball? Was instructed to deflate any ball? ..or instructed to deflate to any specific PSI.

    No ball was to ever have been found under 12.5 without the help of weather. Let it also be known that 75% of the Colt balls checked at halftime were under legal limit as well.

  82. To all the Pats Hater’s, I know that you don’t like being bothered with silly little things like FACTS but I’ll try again anyway:

    Walt Anderson says he used the Logo gauge. Why would he lie about this?

    For some reason, the Wells report not only doesn’t believe him but they actually say “We believe it is more probable that Anderson used the Non-Logo Gauge for his pre-game measurements.”

    How or why the report concluded that Wells used the Non-Logo gauge before the game is beyond any logic and is the central flaw of the entire report.

    So, if you take Anderson’s word, the only comparison you can use is the pregame and halftime measurements using the LOGO gauge only.

    Well guess what happens when you compare pre/halftime measurements using the LOGO gauge only?:

    The average PSI of the 11 Patriots balls at halftime is:

    11.48

    Guess what range the balls should be in under ideal gas law?:

    11.52-11.32

    So the 11 Patriots balls are right where they should be based on Ideal Gas Law, actually they are on the high end of the range.

    The Wells report should have just simply thrown out all Non-Logo measurements from the beginning or just concluded that there’s just not enough reliable data to make a decision.

    The Wells report cherry picks assumptions to make the Pats look bad.

    Anderson never recorded or wrote down any of the PSI levels pre-game. Yet we’re to assume that his memory of 24 ball measurements are hard facts.

    But when Anderson says he used the Logo Gauge for pre-game measurements. We’re to assume he’s either lying for no reason or his memory can’t be trusted.

    Anyone following how flawed that is? We base all the pre-game PSI levels of 24 balls on Anderson’s memory. Yet when it comes to a much simpler thing like what gauge he used, his memory is not only not to be trusted, but flat out disregarded.

  83. The delay is due to the cowardice of Roger Goodell.

    He’s just delaying the inevitable lawsuit and a court once again over turning his over reaching decision.

    How many times can you be told by the court system you applied the rules incorrectly and how much money needs to be spent before the owners send the coward Roger Goodell packing?

  84. PFT is becoming Patriots Fan Talk. Say anything that doesn’t support freeing Tom Shady and get a thumbs-down. Smh. Lol! I hope Goodell doesn’t blink and continues to hold firm with the 4 game suspension. Brady needs to be made an example of for not coming clean as well as fully cooperating. His actions have cost the NFL and the NFLPA a truck load of money. HAMMER the defiant and petulant punk.

  85. It baffles my mind that people cling to that text as sole proof of cheating. Let us step back: the issue investigated was limited to what? The AFC championship game. With me? Okay, so if the science proves that the footballs were not tampered with before the specific game in question, how is the text message relevant? Hell, let us assume even that Brady cheated every way until that Sunday and was the mastermind and that deflator truly was a nickname pointing to cheating. It does not matter if the science proves cheating did not occur on that specific night, because the investigation was into whether they cheated on that specific night.

  86. onixtorres says:
    Jul 22, 2015 11:38 AM
    If indeed Tom Brady is exonerated, and the Patriots’ punishment is completely over-turned. Will the Patriots do the right thing and re-hire the two men who were fired who took care of the footballs?…

    Since those two people in question have not been fired the correct question is “Will the NFL Executive team remove their suspension after Brady and the Pats are justifiably exonerated?”

    My guess is that the Court will vacate their suspension, and the NFL team owners will move to fire Goodell, Kensil and Vincent.

  87. “mikebrownistheworstownerinprosports says:
    Jul 22, 2015 11:49 AM
    Here comes the storm of bandwagon Cavs/Royals/Patriots fans that were nowhere to be found from 2005 through 2013.”

    Huh? Pats have sold out every game since 1994

  88. “mikebrownistheworstownerinprosports says:
    Jul 22, 2015 11:49 AM
    Here comes the storm of bandwagon Cavs/Royals/Patriots fans that were nowhere to be found from 2005 through 2013.”


    This makes no sense.

  89. Fact: Any sort of delay in the appeals process is most definitely an advantage for Goodell or he wouldn’t be delaying in the first place. We’re talking about a personality that is so ego-driven that every decision he makes is to his own benefit and to get his PR levels restored so he doesn’t look like the buffoon he really is..

  90. Goodell = Gutless. He is caught between a rock and a hard place. Either way, his tenure as the Grand Salami is short lived.

  91. Well it’s pretty simple. Goodell is trying to find ANYTHING that can justify ANY of his PENALTIES because he KNOWS that otherwise a federal judge is going to throw it all out.

    On top of this, once Tom Brady’s stuff is thrown out, the Patriots stuff will be too. Then comes the possibility that the Patriots sue the NFL for penalizing them when there was no legitimate reason to.

    Now I don’t know if they would sue the league, because Kraft accepted the punishment for the betterment of the league, but Goodell can’t be for sure on that, because once the situation is uncorked, Kraft could decide to go after Goodell. He was defiant at the beginning, and with everything on his side, he could decide to be again.

    This is a big crap storm that is going to make Goodell look like he ought to be fired. He’s scrambling to save his job. He just threw the NFL champion and it’s star QB under the bus via a NFL sanctioned and paid for report that was complete crap. He dropped the hammer on the Patriots by taking away draft picks and a million dollar fine. What’s worse, is he’s not just some regular office manager or whatever, he’s the commissioner of the NFL, and easy crap like this shouldn’t get by him.

    What’s worse that that? He’s a LAWYER, which means he should of been able to see the holes in the report easily the first day out of law school. This is what lawyers get paid for, to be able to interpret this crap. So Goodell has shown he is an incompetent lawyer, and if he can’t get this right, what confidence can anyone have he can get ANYTHING right?

    He pushed for this, and screwed it up big time.

    …oh and Roger Goodell is behind on lots of stuff. There are other players who have applied for reinstatement (in other words going through the punishment process), and that window it’s supposed to be done has come and gone… which means the NFL is behind BIG TIME for some reason. Gee I wonder what they are distracted by???

    Which leads me to believe that the NFL and Goodell is freaked out about what’s going on and is scouring everything possible and shunting other responsibility trying to cover their butts to the point that the league office is dysfunctional now. Which of course just adds to rationale of why he needs to go.

    Meanwhile, if he can delay and get Brady to accept ANYTHING, that can possibly make all this go away. Because if Brady accepts any punishment, it justifies Goodell’s idiocy by just enough to let his idiot butt off the hook.

    Brady needs to stick to his guns, not accept any punishment, and wait for Goodell to either back down and remove all punishment or have him screw up again by not removing all punishment and forcing Brady to go nuclear on him and trash him in court, which should be quite easy.

    Overall Roger Goodell is going to look like a complete moron after this is all over, and he’s doing his best not to give the other owners reason to be fired. Because remember those 32 owners will have a legitimate reason to axe him, because if he has the power and the incompetence to improperly sanction the Patriots, he can do so to any of the other 31 owners, and they are the people paying his lofty salary. If somehow he isn’t toast, then there is little doubt in my mind that he isn’t going to be forced to take a significant paycut. The money they currently pay Goodell is for someone who is competent, not incompetent, and it’ll be clear he isn’t worthy of that money. Remember, ultimately, the owners PAID for this witch hunt against one of their own.

    So massive pay cut or being outright fired, all because he went on a witch hunt regarding a form of cheating, that almost every other player in almost every other sport does.

    Remember folks, every player in every sport tailors things to the way they like them. If they alter their uniform by cutting something or pinning something, that’s can be considered cheating. If they are a Michael Phelps and they get an advantage of a new suit that lets you swim a second faster, that’s an advantage that can be called cheating. If a golfer is the first to get a new driver or ball that goes 10 yards farther, that can be called cheating. These are grey areas that exist all over the place, and Roger Goodell just jumped into the middle of it, with no evidence, spent a ton of the NFL’s money on this witch hunt, and brought the hammer down like a Grade A moron.

    He’s trying to weasel out of it. He won’t. Anyone else that was this incompetent would of been fired a long time ago. We’ll see what happens, but whatever it is, it’s not going to be good for Goodell, and he’s trying his hardest to massage the situation into the best light for him.

  92. voiceofreason01 says:
    Jul 22, 2015 12:03 PM

    It’s a shame that tom brady is a cheating fraud. He had to make up for his mediocre 6th round talents somehow.

    —————————————
    That’s right. All it takes is a slightly deflated football to improve pocket mobility, in game adjustments, reads, leadership and the ability to make calls at the line. Without that bit of squish all that would disappear. Thank you for so aptly pointing that out.

  93. Why not delay it?
    Who’s running this “investigation” anyway, ESPN/PFT or the NFL?

    Stop trying to use your media status to blast the NFL for not moving fast enough to suit the elite “I want everything right now” media.

    Why doesn’t the Obama administration move as fast on issues as I would like them to? Why doesn’t PFT call him out on this?

    Oh PFT only goes after private sector executives, not union-protected players or those who donate to NBC-preferred causes.

  94. Do you mean Goodell isn’t delaying the appeal process to protect the “integrity of the game”?

  95. The real reason is he is trying to screw over Brady. He will wait until Wednesday, the day before Opening Night, so Brady wont be able to play.

    Never seen an idiot want to punish the players that pay his outrageous salary.

    In case the League Office isnt aware, people watch for the players not your incompetence of running the league. Ratings are good because of the PLAYERS. These morons think the NFL is successful because of them. No one pays to watch Roger Goodell play football. These front office morons have egos the size of Texas.

  96. “How or why the report concluded that Wells used the Non-Logo gauge before the game is beyond any logic and is the central flaw of the entire report.”

    It’s not beyond any logic. It is beyond any unbiased logic. The logic of that decision is simple, and easy to understand – the league decided, before it hired Wells, that cheating had occurred. Wells understood that, and considered his job to be proving it. Wells did not perform an investigation and produce an investigative report – he performed an “investigation” and produced an indictment.

    Which is clearly what the league wanted.

    Regardless of what you feel about how anyone else has behaved in this entire matter, what’s clear and obvious and not open to debate is that the NFL has not acted in good faith, and the letter to the Patriots with a false air pressure report, and the failure to address the false Mortensen report are prima facie evidence of its bad faith.

  97. How can Troy Vincent and Kensil keep their jobs either way?

    How can Goodell ever use Ted Wells again?

  98. Noting all the remarks we’re still seeing by jealous fans citing “but he was called The Deflator!” shows just how effective Goodell has been in his campaign of misinformation

    Just like the false “11 of 12 balls were deflated 2psi!” news the NFL gave to ESPN and then issued themselves – which the Haters STILL repeat – this is a classic Goodell move to hope ignorant and gullible fans help divert attention from his incompetence

    Clearly this commenters haven’t bothered reading the Wells Report let alone the “Wells Report in Context” on this matter

    For the last time, the Patriots openly stated that “the Deflator’s” job was to deflate and re-inflate fooballs as part of the new football preparation. This is common in the NFL and the NY Times of 11/23/13 documents the TWO “Deflators” employed by the Giants to prepare Eli Manning’s footballs. (“Eli Manning’s Footballs Months in the Making”

    There was also a text in which the “Deflator” was told to “deflate and give someone that jacket” – which was obviously about weight loss.

    Every team employs “Deflators” like the Giants – who say in that article they keep the prepared footballs with them AT ALL TIMES on gameday – and yes that would include not leaving them unattended when going to the men’s room.

    Why you ask? As the Refs in the Jets game who pumped up Brady’s footballs to 16psi – breaking their own rules.

    Brady, in a text, tells “the deflator” to show the officials their own rule book. Yeah – that sounds like a cheater, doesn’t it.

    Most NFL fans are just as gullible as Goodell hopes they always will be – as those comments prove.

  99. The problem is, the NFL brought down the hammer with spurious evidence they can’t back up. It’s pretty blatant that the Colts engineered this in an attempt to get past NE, a team they just can’t beat.

    I’m a bit biased as a Texans fan, but it’s not really that hard to tell that Grigson and company made a few calls to NFL HQ hoping to catch NE on one of the wink-wink, nudge-nudge “against the regulation but we don’t really care” things that go on in most locker rooms.

    Now they have to try and justify it with a possible court case, and Goodell knows one kick to the right place and his whole administration will come tumbling down. That’s what happens when you dole out justice via (social) media rather than on logic and facts.

    Stop trying to appeal to pundits, commenters, Twitter posters and Tumblrinas and this won’t happen so damned often.

  100. mikebrownistheworstownerinprosports says:
    Jul 22, 2015 11:49 AM
    Here comes the storm of bandwagon Cavs/Royals/Patriots fans that were nowhere to be found from 2005 through 2013.

    —-

    Pats had won 3 titles in 4 years by 2005, and the Royals just stopped sucking last year for the first time in 30 years. Are you new to sports little guy?

  101. My thoughts:

    Will Goodell show his face in Foxborough for the opener if Brady is not on the field? For that matter, will he ever?

    Those who dislike the Pats and think they cheated…get over it. They didn’t, it’s all bull and you guys are running with because the media feeds you enough to keep the fire going.

    Those who are sycophant-like in you love for the Pats…get over it. All the attempts at defense will never, EVER win anyone who hates the Pats over. The more you come here, the more you get trolled.

    The BEST team won last year…as it does pretty much every year. See you all in September.

  102. Let’s see…

    44,000,000 divided by 100,000 = 440

    AT $100,000 a year the NFL could of hired 440 Refs to PROPERLY Officiate Rule 17 footballs through out the entire 2014 season for ALL 32 Teams.

    The $5 million paid to Well$ to could of went to End Zone cameras for all 32 stadiums.

    ATTENTION all Football Fans.
    Let’s come together and sue the NFL for Theft by Deception and Deprivation of Character.

  103. zuzus petals says:
    Jul 22, 2015 10:49 AM

    Goodell is MUCH more concerned with his own reputation than with being fair. Brady’s reputation? That’s apparently not his concern
    __________________________________

    Krafty is MUCH more concerned with his own reputation than with being fair. Brady’s reputation? That’s apparently not his concern

  104. boisestatewhodat says:
    Jul 22, 2015 11:52 AM

    Regardless of what happens…fans across the country (outside of the northeast) do not trust the Patriots organization and will always question their credibility and championship validity. They always put themselves in precarious situations and simply stated, its become a trend with this organization. Trust is hard to regain once its been compromised.
    ________________
    I agree with you, that is what people outside of New England think. However, this is born out of the fact the Patriots are perennial winners. If you choose to ignore the fact that these balls were never deflated and include this as the Patriots cheating or bending the rules, it puts them in step with every other team in the league. This is a fact even if you don’t want to acknowledge it. Take “Spygate,” the violation was for camera placement, and that’s it. The act of taping signals was allowed then and is still allowed today. This is a practice that is practiced by all teams. Because the Patriots violated camera placement, they taped from the sideline and not the first row of the bleachers, they are cheaters, makes no sense? This is a face and an over reach, just like Carolina was warming their balls on the sideline and got a written warning, because it’s suspected of the Patriots all you hypocrites are going wild. Uninformed and pathetic.

  105. “His mind undoubtedly was made up before the hearing.”

    One reason he should have let someone else hear the appeal.

  106. This isn’t even about cheating or integrity of the game anymore, it’s about Roger Goodell trying to save face, but he’s backed himself into a corner that he can’t easily get out of. What he needs to do, is to defer all punishments until the end of next season, set up protocols for how the footballs are handled by the refs, and make sure the psi is tested on every ball before, during and after every single game during regular season and playoffs. They need to record temperature, humidity, whether it was raining or snowing, and use that information to figure out if any air was released from those balls. It would be the best test they could perform to see the real reaction of the balls.

  107. At $50,000 a year the NFL could of hired 880 College Students majoring in Science to accurately Officiated Rule 17 footballs to all 32 Teams.

    OR

    At $25,000 a year the NFL could of hired 1,760 High School Students & their Moms to accurately measured & Officiated Rule 17 footballs to all 32 Teams.

  108. j0esixpack says:
    Jul 22, 2015 12:21 PM

    There was also a text in which the “Deflator” was told to “deflate and give someone that jacket” – which was obviously about weight loss.
    —————————————————–

    Please tell me you don’t really believe that. Human beings don’t refer to losing weight as “deflating.”

  109. Why is it pined on Goodell? Been a month after the hearing. Brady said he was going to look over the Wells report then do something. Then went into hiding for what 3 months?

  110. poeple forget that the deflator also threatened that if he didn’t get what he wants he would inflate the balls to be beach balls. That says Tom at least talked to him or someone about liking the ball on the lower side of the air pressure. Now that doesn’t say how much or even illegal but it absolutely proves that a conversation took place. Nobody is going to adjust the air pressure in the football without their QB telling them how he likes it. What also can’t be explained away is why did the guy take the footballs into the bathroom after they were inspected. No matter what he did in there with them that looks bad. Also the whole I have a big needle for you this week is pretty bad as well. people just focus on him calling himself the deflator which once again doesn’t shed a very good light onto the situation but when you look at all the texts there was something shady going on there. And please people stop saying Brady will have to produce his phone if they go to court because that is simply not true. No new evidence will be introduced. They will look at the evidence the NFL had at the time of the suspension and everything leading up to the suspension but nothing new. If Brady were to sue the NFL for defamation then new evidence can be introduced but there is a reason he didn’t turn his phone over even when given the oppurtunity for his lawyer to go through it and just provide messages with key words in them. My biggest question is how stupid can you be to leave any kind of trail of cheating or even skating the line? Come on all Mafia in Boston and they don’t know that all conversation like this should have been in person or over the phone and not via text.

  111. onixtorres says:
    Jul 22, 2015 11:38 AM

    If indeed Tom Brady is exonerated, and the Patriots’ punishment is completely over-turned. Will the Patriots do the right thing and re-hire the two men who were fired who took care of the footballs?

    My guess it’s they won’t.

    ++++++++++

    McNally and Jazstremski were suspended at the request of the league.

  112. When people don’t know what to do they basically freeze and do nothing. Nothing he does at this point is going to overshadow the fact that it took him forever to do it.

    This is the biggest flaw for Goodell, when the situation called for swift leadership, he froze, and turned a nothing issue into an off-season long sideshow. Owners will not be happy regardless.

  113. I know most aren’t lawyers, but the lack of understanding of of most of the people who post here, on both sides of the argument, is stunning. Florio has outlined what’s to come numerous times. It’s not that hard to follow or understand. One example: There will NOT be an evidentiary hearing on appeal, so a judge won’t look at Brady’s cell phone even if Brady wanted him to. And, based on the limited standard of review of arbitration decisions, it’s unlikely Brady can prevail, even if he’s innocent.

  114. This story will likely end up like the infamous “Rams walkthrough tape” that never existed – a figment of the hater’s imaginations.

    When Goodell or a judge overturns this insane ruling based on bogus evidence over literally 0.45 PSI in a football, the haters are going to melt where they stand crying about cover ups, and payoffs, and all kinds of lunacy. Can’t wait.

    End of the day fellas, if your team just plays better football maybe the Patriots won’t win all the time. Stop crygating like a kid at recess and hope your team just plays better football. I’ve never seen 0.45 PSI tackle anybody in my life. #ManUp.

  115. puckskin says:
    Jul 22, 2015 12:22 PM
    mikebrownistheworstownerinprosports says:
    Jul 22, 2015 11:49 AM
    Here comes the storm of bandwagon Cavs/Royals/Patriots fans that were nowhere to be found from 2005 through 2013.

    —-

    The Patriots have sold out every single home game since the 1994 home opener. How’s that for bandwagon?

  116. Goodell’s PR team is the group in charge of Brady’s appeal. Let’s be clear, this entire exercise in futility was originally manufactured to give Goodell solid standing among 31 owners. Unfortunately, Wells failed to manipulate the science and the league is has been busted.
    I hope Brady sues the NFL for $100 million

  117. No, the 1st guy was right. 90% of us will view brady as a cheat. Because he is a cheat.

    And just because you say there’s no proof he cheated doesn’t make it so. The proof is there. All of it.

    Bye bye pats. Take your tainted trophies. Real football fans know the score. Long live the ***********

  118. Fact: Spygate was about camera placement on the sideline. A new 2006 rule was written at the same time former Jets President Kensil joined the league, and was enforced in the first game of 2007 in a game (not coincidentally) against the Jets. (Signal filming remains legal today – hence coordinators still cover their mouths – though many fans wrongly assert Spygate was about illegal signal stealing or filming other game practices)

    Jealous fans talk like that somehow was “cheating” but it had ZERO impact on that game – and certainly had no impact on games from 2001-2004 before it was a rule. But the label “cheaters” continues to be misused by jealous fans today.

    Fact: The NFL purposefully gave misinformation to the media as well as directly to the Patriots by NFL VP Gardi about “11 of 12 footballs being 2psi” under – WHY did they do this? Clearly to create a false perception.

    Fact: The actual PSI of the footballs is EXACTLY where the Ideal Gas Law says they should be – that is there was NO UNUSUAL DEFLATION

    Fact: The NFL asserts that 12 footballs could be perfectly deflated in 90 seconds when NFL officials, needing only to put a gauge in the footballs, did not have enough time to measure all of the Colts footballs

    Fact: The Colts footballs were also under 12.5 PSI even having all of halftime to re-heat and expand. The NFL writes this off assuming the higher gauge was the accurate one for the Colts – and implicates the Patriots by assuming the LOWER gauge was the accurate one for the Patriots – evidence of a set up.

    Fact: Reluctance of Favre to give up his cellphone in a criminal sexual harassment investigation resulted in NO suspensions. The open, documented/filmed manipulation of footballs in a Vikings game resulted in NO suspensions. The mere ALLEGATION which has been disproven, in Brady’s case, resulted in a HUGE media firestorm fed by misinformation and jelousy – as well as major fines and suspensions. More evidence of Bias by Goodell, Kensil etc.

    Fact: Brady only knew the ballboy by his nickname – thus accurately did not recognize his real name when asked. Jealous haters can’t accept this. The term “Deflator” is acknowledged by the Patriots as referring to his job to deflate and reinflate new footballs per his job. This nickname was also used in reference to weight loss in the solitary text “Deflate and give someone that jacket”

    Fact: Brady asked the ballboys to prepare his balls at 13psi – not even the minimum – and re-emphasized this when he learned the OFFICIALS were cheating. He did not tell them to take matters into their own hands – he told them to show the officials their own rulebook (yeah, that sounds like a cheater)

    Fact: As documented by the NY Times on 11/23/13, the Giants employ deflators who keep the footballs with them AT ALL TIMES – eliminating the “restroom” theory as a smoking gun

    FACT: The jealous haters will NEVER read, let alone comprehend or accept any of these facts, because they interfere with their need to believe that their own teams can’t win because the Patriots “cheat” though that’s actually never happened.

    FACT: Roger Goodell himself, as evidenced by all the above – has tarnished the NFL Shield and is a threat to the integrity of the game.

  119. “We want to make sure we have a fair and open process,” Goodell said.

    Does anyone really believe that?

    I can’t imagine what it’s like to wake up in the morning, look at yourself in the mirror while shaving and convince yourself of the crap you are going to spew that day. And to keep doing it day after day. How sad!

    But never mind. Goodell is ruining the NFL. Making money for the owners doesn’t require the ability to sell ice to the Eskimos. Anyone who can sell water in the desert is capable. So fire Goodell and start the process of bringing integrity back to the shield.

  120. Goodell is trapped. Kensil and Harbaugh convinced him to try a frame job on NE (not telling both teams before the game= frame), but the sting team instead stung themselves with ball misreadings, manipulation, & thefts, ignoring the chief referee and deliberate misinformation via news leaks. Kensil’s early fake ball inflation lies infuriates non-Pats fans, but then the fatal weaknesses in Wells Report makes that worthless. NFL owners are not going to tolerate the specter of a highly visible BRADY VS NFL Federal lawsuit that Goodell cannot win and which will force all football news off the airwaves (except NFL Network and ESPN or course). Goodell is delaying to try to extract the best possible exit package from NFL owners, who are NOT going to let Brady vs NFL go to court because of the risk to the League. THEY are “protecting the shield”, not Roger.

  121. Funny how you pat brats had NO problem when Roger was sweeping SpyGate under the rug for you.

    Can’t have it both ways. You already used up your 1 get out of jail free card.

  122. Deflate this, Ideal Gas Law that, everyone else is doing it too, how come my Patri*ts are always being picked on, there is no “proof”, Deflator means weight loss, Rogers likes his over-inflated, Rice used stick-um, Peterson spanked his kid, hardy hit his girlfriend.

    Blah, Blah, Blah… JUST STOP ALREADY !!!

    Will some news organization or billionaire NFL fan please step up and pay Jastremski and McNally whatever it takes to hear what actually happened please?

    Everyone has their price. I’m begging you, please will somebody pay up and let’s finally hear the truth once and for all !!!

  123. If Goodell has to think this hard about it. The whole more probably than not burden of proof is not as probable as he thinks.

  124. whitetrash69 says:
    Jul 22, 2015 10:46 AM

    This will be my first positive about Roger Goodell EVER.
    Goodell holds all the cards, the NFLPA threatening a lawsuit if they don’t don’t get their desired outcome is certainly a reason to delay the ruling. Also, Brady should welcome a decision based on careful examination of this situation since he swears he had no involvement.
    Goodell should take his time with this especially after the possibility of litigation and because public threats are a poor way to conduct your business.
    Its chess vs. Checkers now and Goodell is in control. Take your time Roger…
    ——————————————————-
    Well as a noted Pats hater you finally hit on something this Pats fan can agree on. Brady does want a decision based on careful examination. The very thing that didn’t take place in the initial examination of the Wells report. Also public opinion should have zero impact on his decision. Let the facts and the testimony be the only criteria used. Common sense would be a good touch too but I digress. As for the chess vs checkers analogy? That I don’t agree with. Roger makes the decision and Brady makes his next move. It seems to me that if it goes to court Rogers history of success there leads me to believe the move Brady makes will be checkmate.

  125. patriotinvasion says:
    Jul 22, 2015 12:46 PM
    This story will likely end up like the infamous “Rams walkthrough tape” that never existed – a figment of the hater’s imaginations.

    When Goodell or a judge overturns this insane ruling based on bogus evidence over literally 0.45 PSI in a football, the haters are going to melt where they stand crying about cover ups, and payoffs, and all kinds of lunacy. Can’t wait.

    End of the day fellas, if your team just plays better football maybe the Patriots won’t win all the time. Stop crygating like a kid at recess and hope your team just plays better football. I’ve never seen 0.45 PSI tackle anybody in my life. #ManUp.

    _________________________________
    Nobody will ever fully know what all the pats had on tape because Goodell had them all burned. I don’t remember very many Pats fans hating Goodell then.

  126. skeldaddy says: McNally and Jazstremski were suspended at the request of the league.
    ————————————

    Another fact the haters want to ignore – this was confirmed by Troy Vincent when he stated that the NFL alone is the only entity to reinstate them to their positions.

    Troy now is attempting to say he didn’t order their suspensions (not firing) because he knows admitting this takes away a “smoking gun” used by jealous fans which makes his boss, Goodell look good

    This itself is evidence of a sting/cover-up

    Vincent can’t take back his statement now however – but the fact is the Patriots suspended them at Vincent’s behest – and Vincent admits the Patriots are prohibited from making calls on their suspension/firing

    The haters will ignore this, and all other facts, that get in the way of their jealousy

  127. Probably trying to figure out how many games to add on because he knows he screwed up by only making it 4.

  128. Florio, are you finally admitting that the NFL’s process in this case isn’t “fair and open” like Goodell said? Why not just say that in a declarative statement.

    You continually give credence to the idea that Goodell can’t overturn the Brady suspension because he and thee NFL would look bad. In fact, the opposite is true.

    Let me give you a historical analogy. The Three-Fifths Compromise, a compromise reached between delegates from southern states and those from northern states during the 1787 United States Constitutional Convention, allowing for slaves to be counted as less than a whole person when determining a state’s total population for legislative representation and taxing purposes.
    —————————————–

    Buddy, you REALLY need to step back from the computer….

    Patri*ts fans are delusional

    Best Regards

  129. pondbridge says:
    Jul 22, 2015 1:02 PM
    Goodell is trapped. Kensil and Harbaugh convinced him to try a frame job on NE (not telling both teams before the game= frame), but the sting team instead stung themselves with ball misreadings, manipulation, & thefts, ignoring the chief referee and deliberate misinformation via news leaks. Kensil’s early fake ball inflation lies infuriates non-Pats fans, but then the fatal weaknesses in Wells Report makes that worthless. NFL owners are not going to tolerate the specter of a highly visible BRADY VS NFL Federal lawsuit that Goodell cannot win and which will force all football news off the airwaves (except NFL Network and ESPN or course). Goodell is delaying to try to extract the best possible exit package from NFL owners, who are NOT going to let Brady vs NFL go to court because of the risk to the League. THEY are “protecting the shield”, not Roger.

    _________________________________
    Honestly it will be easier for Goodell and the NFL to win in court. The burden will be on Brady’s legal team to prove everything and without adding in new evidence I honetly don’t see how that can be done. It’s not all about the Wells Reports like many Pats fans like to get hung up on. It’s also about not being candid, not cooperating, and lying which I don’t see anyway they can explain that away. Brady didn’t fully cooperate during the investigation and if I were the NFL and it went to court I would bring up maybe we would have had more info and could have come up with a more solid report one way or the other had Brady given us the info like he was supposed to.

  130. A deal will not be made because Brady’s camp knows any meaningful provision will get destroyed by a follow-up NFL leak. For example, the NFL may have offered 1 game for failure to cooperate and noted “we will publicly state we could not conclude there was tampering.” Sounds okay, right? It seems like it has the potential to slightly shift public perception and to save Brady’s reputation, at least slightly. However, Brady’s camp knows that an “anonymous league source close to the decision” will tell someone with a quick trigger finger (C. MORT) that “most in the league office” do not truly believe that and that they were merely trying to make this go away, inevitably reversing again any sway in public opinion that may have taken place.

  131. jrossizzle says:
    Jul 22, 2015 10:41 AM
    The non delusional public knows Tom cheated but Roger would like the SB MVP on the field

    ______________________________

    Lets really look at who’s delusional here. If “Roger” wanted him on the field this would have been done months ago. I love the people that constantly cry how the Patriots have been given all these breaks by Goodell and how they are best buddies. The Patriot have been given the two harshest penalties in league history and this last one is for something that never happened. Show me what other team has lost a first round draft pick in the past 50 years?

  132. If this doesn’t resolve in a few days, a Federal Judge will be involved anyway. There is no way the Brady team is not going to court quickly to get an injunction against the suspension.

    Or, as long as they’re shooting at stupid fish in a barrel, a writ of mandamus.

    Pass the popcorn.

  133. I know there are not allot of fans on this page that like actual facts, but the repeated statement that Goodell was a Jet employee has become increasingly annoying.
    Of course Boston media reports it as fact because the Pats PR Dept told them it was.
    Goodell was an unpaid summer intern for the Jets, not an employee.
    Sorry we’re not all drinking the fool aid, but let’s at least try to be accurate.

  134. The longer the NFL and Goodell drag it out, the more press and attention it gets. This story continues to dominate the sports world while receiving millions of clicks = tons of advertising $.
    Even at the height of the NBA finals, the NFL and this stupid story still dominated the news. Don’t fool yourself, Goodell and the owners make more cash with each day this drags out and with each story the media continue to write and re-write.

  135. canedaddy says: j0esixpack says: There was also a text in which the “Deflator” was told to “deflate and give someone that jacket” – which was obviously about weight loss.
    —————————————————–

    Please tell me you don’t really believe that. Human beings don’t refer to losing weight as “deflating.”
    =============================

    Please tell me you are actually DENYING that’s actually what the text said. That’s amazing if true. (So what do YOU believe the text “Deflate and give someone that jacket” refers to????)

    Please also tell me you ignored the rest of what the Patriots stated and what you left out of my “quote” – that alone shows just how far you’ll go to support your assertion

    The Patriots OPENLY admit his job was to deflate and reinflate footballs – just like the “Deflators” on other teams do – as confirmed by the NY Times on 11/23/13

    There’s nothing wrong with that. It’s common. But you want to ignore that admission and fact.

    You prefer to say “look – the Patriots assert that the only reason he was called that is because of weight loss! Thus they’re guilty!”

    But you CAN’T deny what the text actually said – and you CAN’T deny that the Patriots acknowledge what the Giants and other teams admit – that deflating footballs is part of the preparation process and there is NOTHING wrong with that

    It just doesn’t fit into your efforts to warp the facts into something that fits your belief.

  136. skeldaddy says:
    Jul 22, 2015 12:39 PM

    onixtorres says:
    Jul 22, 2015 11:38 AM

    If indeed Tom Brady is exonerated, and the Patriots’ punishment is completely over-turned. Will the Patriots do the right thing and re-hire the two men who were fired who took care of the footballs?

    My guess it’s they won’t.

    ++++++++++

    McNally and Jazstremski were suspended at the request of the league.
    —————————————————–
    It’s hilarious when a hater thinks he’s put a hurt on with ignorant of the facts statements. Do try and keep up. It’s not like this farce hasn’t been going on since February. That’s the trouble with haters. Not even the slightest need to know the actual facts. My guess is his next post will state the Pats taped walk thru’s or Brady cheated because of the tuck rule. This new gem is a perfect example. The Patriots cheated using illegal formations. Pay no attention to the statements made by the NFL that they were indeed legal. I’ll accept on clear violation that Pats fans can’t deny. Spygate. Yup, guilty as charged. But haters claims of habitual cheaters rings more of jealousy and wishful thinking. The facts really do speak for themselves.

  137. steelshurtin said

    What also can’t be explained away is why did the guy take the footballs into the bathroom after they were inspected. No matter what he did in there with them that looks bad.
    ===========================

    i agree, to me that is the only fineable offense that cannot be denied.

    keep the 5th round pick, return everything else and exonerate Brady.

  138. thesteelhurtin says:
    Jul 22, 2015 12:36 PM

    poeple forget that the deflator also threatened that if he didn’t get what he wants he would inflate the balls to be beach balls. That says Tom at least talked to him or someone about liking the ball on the lower side of the air pressure. Now that doesn’t say how much or even illegal but it absolutely proves that a conversation took place. Nobody is going to adjust the air pressure in the football without their QB telling them how he likes it. What also can’t be explained away is why did the guy take the footballs into the bathroom after they were inspected. No matter what he did in there with them that looks bad. Also the whole I have a big needle for you this week is pretty bad as well. people just focus on him calling himself the deflator which once again doesn’t shed a very good light onto the situation but when you look at all the texts there was something shady going on there. And please people stop saying Brady will have to produce his phone if they go to court because that is simply not true. No new evidence will be introduced. They will look at the evidence the NFL had at the time of the suspension and everything leading up to the suspension but nothing new. If Brady were to sue the NFL for defamation then new evidence can be introduced but there is a reason he didn’t turn his phone over even when given the oppurtunity for his lawyer to go through it and just provide messages with key words in them. My biggest question is how stupid can you be to leave any kind of trail of cheating or even skating the line? Come on all Mafia in Boston and they don’t know that all conversation like this should have been in person or over the phone and not via text.
    _________________
    Simple and obvious answer to your question: they weren’t doing anything that needed to be covered up, as evidenced by the independent reports.

  139. “The league needed only five days after the issuance of the 243-page Ted Wells report to drop the hammer on Brady in May. A full month isn’t needed for Goodell to review the decision he previously approved.”

    Yes, this does appear odd, doesn’t it? The initial decision appears to have been based on the notion that the Wells report should not only be accepted as the Truth, but that the various caveats in the Exponent supplement should simply be ignored. Goodell couldn’t drop the hammer on Brady and the Pats fast enough. I’m sure Troy Vincent and the other league office denizens who’ve lost games and titles to Tom Brady savored their revenge.

    But they overestimated their own power. By rushing to judgment without letting Brady have his say in public, they’ve forced him to take a path whereby the only way he can be exonerated is through the federal courts. And, sadly for Goodell, exoneration is the path he should have taken months ago.

    Why he decided to nuke Brady and the Pats is something I do not understand. That he’s surprised that Brady didn’t simply roll over and take it is also curious to me.

  140. I can understand how a fan of a team in hot water over cheating would try to defend their team.

    But all the what about / what if scenarios I see on here when I try to weigh them out objectively have no bearing on anything.

    I could list a whole bunch of them here but frankly I am tied of doing so at this point.

  141. mrphelps01 says:

    And, based on the limited standard of review of arbitration decisions, it’s unlikely Brady can prevail, even if he’s innocent.

    _____________________________

    This is where you went wrong. It’s the process that was mishandled by the NFL and Goodell. In fact the delay in a ruling will actually help Brady out in court. Brady will have no problem winning this appeal in court.

  142. Goodell should issue his decision of “No changes to the 4 Game Suspension” on Thursday, Sept 10th at 5 PM. That would result in Brady automatically being suspended at least 1 game, since it would be virtually impossible for Brady to get an injunction issued by a judge the same day before game time.

  143. “And, based on the limited standard of review of arbitration decisions, it’s unlikely Brady can prevail, even if he’s innocent.”

    Goodell isn’t merely a bad judge of evidence, he’s also horrible at following simple rules, like rules of precedence, rules regarding who should hand down the punishment, rules about how the arbitrator needs to be independent, etc.

    Brady’s goal here is to get a court to order this case assigned to a new arbitrator. There’s certainly precedent for that – in the Saints’ case. If Jonathan Vilma can get his penalty dropped to nothing, Brady certainly can, too.

    Simply wearing a badge that says “Arbitrator” doesn’t confer special status on Goodell. Arbitrators are usually deferred to because they usually are actually neutral. Goodell is hopelessly compromised here. How can he pretend to be neutral when his job is on the line?

  144. Just say no, Jim! Drugs are bad, especially when people are OD-ing at your house!

  145. quizlingclinic says:
    Jul 22, 2015 11:50 AM

    The PR battle was lost the day the NFL leaked information they KNEW to be false to ESPN while at the same time threatening the Patriots with harsh penalties if they spoke publicly about the issue.

    Fortunately none of that matters one whit to the courts.
    __________________________________

    Well in fact it does matter to the courts. That point defines “actual malice” the bar that needs to be met for a defamation case filed by a famous person. In other words, Brady’s ticket to a successful suit.

  146. profootball13 says:
    Jul 22, 2015 1:12 PM

    wow, just wow. you sir need something else to talk about. Pat’s fans are losing their minds. I love the “there is ZERO evidence against the Pats”. Well seeing as how Brady is banned 4 games and the organization has another 1st rd pick taken away as well as fines then there has to at least be SOME evidence, even if you dont want to believe it. Lets go to court, seems like non pats fans love the idea of finding out all the info while pats fans want everyone to just ‘trust’ brady and drop this now. Id rather this go to court and get completely dropped if he’s innocent after seeing all the facts than have this dropped now and leave a TON of doubt.

  147. Probably trying to brace for the fallout when Brady takes them to court. I have a feeling he won’t accept any suspension because he did nothing wrong and the league can’t definitively prove anything. The question for Goodell is if the league wants to be brought to court only to find out that the suspension will be overturned and the league undermined yet again. Honestly, at this point Goodell would be best served to drop the suspension and put an actual procedure on the books for how the footballs are handled at all times and a definitive punishment for a violation. The Wells report was a farce and a waste of money. Best now to cut your losses and save whatever face you can

  148. arcross12042004scorp15 says:
    Jul 22, 2015 11:00 AM
    2 games for cheating, & 2 games for lying & obstructing. Don’t tell investigators that you don’t know someone and then they find that you textef that person 6 times about something you say didnt happen
    Then the guy goes by the name” the Deflator”

    __________________________________

    Another idiot that never read the report. He never sent a single text to “the deflator”. Jesus, how do you people get through life.

  149. denverdude7 says:
    Jul 22, 2015 1:05 PM

    Deflate this, Ideal Gas Law that, everyone else is doing it too, how come my Patri*ts are always being picked on, there is no “proof”, Deflator means weight loss, Rogers likes his over-inflated, Rice used stick-um, Peterson spanked his kid, hardy hit his girlfriend.

    Blah, Blah, Blah… JUST STOP ALREADY !!!

    Will some news organization or billionaire NFL fan please step up and pay Jastremski and McNally whatever it takes to hear what actually happened please?

    Everyone has their price. I’m begging you, please will somebody pay up and let’s finally hear the truth once and for all !!!
    ———————————
    You troll Patriot articles quite frequently I’ve noticed. Is your opinion that knocking down the Patriots will legitimize the Br*nc*’s two titles? The titles they won cheating the salary cap? Again, when your franchise is as dirty as Denver’s history, you just look like a fool coming on here pointing fingers. Despite what you think happened in this case what are you trying to gain? If the end result is that the Patriots did something here, does that clear the Br*nc*’s of their transgressions?

  150. “I know there are not allot of fans on this page that like actual facts, but the repeated statement that Goodell was a Jet employee has become increasingly annoying. Of course Boston media reports it as fact because the Pats PR Dept told them it was. Goodell was an unpaid summer intern for the Jets, not an employee. Sorry we’re not all drinking the fool aid, but let’s at least try to be accurate.”

    So…blaming the Pats’ PR Dept – was this part of your new emphasis on “accuracy”?

    Goodell was an intern at the Jets for more than a summer. He wasn’t a high placed executive like Mike Kensil – that’s true. But he was also working with the Jets for more than a summer. I can find no information regarding whether he was paid or not, but that doesn’t seem all that relevant. His biases lie with the Jets. He hires people cast off from the Jets to work under him. In 2007, the Jets are the ones who used their connection to Goodell to trigger Spygate. In 2013, the Jets again used their connection to the league office to get an illegal blocking penalty called on the Pats. It’s fine that the penalty was called, or it would be if the Jets hadn’t gotten away with committing exactly the same penalty earlier in the same game.

    Patriots’ fans object to the fact that there seems to exist a hotline to the league office that can be used in order to get preferential treatment from league officials. Should we talk about all the teams that videotaped before 2007 and were never punished? Even the Jets were engaged in the practice. Or the fact that the Vikings and Panthers were merely given a caution when they brazenly tampered with footballs on the sideline during a televised game? Why is the case with plenty of evidence treated as unimportant while the case with no evidence treated as though it were the most important thing to happen in 15 years?

    It’s just stupid. There’s no pretense of fairness here.

  151. thesteelhurtin says:
    Jul 22, 2015 1:08 PM

    Nobody will ever fully know what all the pats had on tape because Goodell had them all burned. I don’t remember very many Pats fans hating Goodell then.

    ___

    Goodell played all of the Matt Walsh tapes at a press conference. Google it. Camera focused on assistant coaches, scoreboard, and cheerleaders. Wasn’t all that interesting. Not sure why haters don’t remember this press conference. What are you expecting to see on any of the other tapes…Martians, who killed JFK?

  152. Gotta get Emporer Goodsell to make a GD Decision, whatever it is… Court is good..
    L et’s do it!

  153. “Well seeing as how Brady is banned 4 games and the organization has another 1st rd pick taken away as well as fines then there has to at least be SOME evidence, even if you dont want to believe it.”

    This really doesn’t constitute a rebuttal. It’s a circular argument. All it shows is that you have closed your mind, and think that punishment implies guilt.

  154. “thesteelhurtin says:
    Jul 22, 2015 1:08 PM
    patriotinvasion says:
    Jul 22, 2015 12:46 PM
    This story will likely end up like the infamous “Rams walkthrough tape” that never existed – a figment of the hater’s imaginations.

    When Goodell or a judge overturns this insane ruling based on bogus evidence over literally 0.45 PSI in a football, the haters are going to melt where they stand crying about cover ups, and payoffs, and all kinds of lunacy. Can’t wait.

    End of the day fellas, if your team just plays better football maybe the Patriots won’t win all the time. Stop crygating like a kid at recess and hope your team just plays better football. I’ve never seen 0.45 PSI tackle anybody in my life. #ManUp.

    _________________________________
    Nobody will ever fully know what all the pats had on tape because Goodell had them all burned. I don’t remember very many Pats fans hating Goodell then.”


    More lies. He played the tapes on a loop for hours for the media then destroyed them after the media was done looking.

  155. “What also can’t be explained away is why did the guy take the footballs into the bathroom after they were inspected.”

    He was supposed to leave them in the hall?

    “No matter what he did in there with them that looks bad.”

    Only if you’re paranoid.

    “Also the whole I have a big needle for you this week is pretty bad as well.”

    The officials need two types of needles – one for the gauge and one for the pump. This is explained one the Wellsreportcontext website:

    It’s also clear that the text message in question was being discussed in the context of both of them joking about how McNally was going to over-inflate the footballs, just as the officials had done the previous week in the Jets game. Nothing in that text, or any text for that matter, talks about _deflating footballs after the refs had them in their possession._

  156. May text at least 7 months before the AFCCG

    12:21:46: JM “Whats up dorito dink”
    12:22:53: JJ “Nada”
    12:22:53: JM “Whens the pong party….im on fire”
    12:23:10: JJ “Omg”
    12:23:34: JM “Bring it”
    16:29:48: JM “You still with your women”
    16:29:59: JJ “Yup”
    16:33:21: JM “You must have her [omitted out of respect to Mrs. Jastremski]”
    16:34:39: JM “You must have a picture of her [omitted out of respect to Mrs. Jastremski]”
    16:36:31: JJ “Omg”
    16:37:16: JM “You working”
    16:37:53 JJ “Yup”
    16:39:40 JM “Nice dude…jimmy needs some kicks….lets
    make a deal…come on help the deflator”

    [After Mr. Jastremski does not respond for several minutes, Mr. McNally sends a follow-up text.]
    16:47:15 JM “Chill buddy im just f****n with you….im not going
    to espn….yet
    You got us Roger… This is your case? Pathetic..

  157. Brady’s lawyers & Agent want Goodell to issue a decision quickly so they can then argue that it was a “Kangaroo Court”, rushed to judgment & due diligence was not applied. Every effort Goodell makes to encourage Brady & the Patriots to comply with the NFL’s requests for cooperation & every day that passes after those efforts are made diminishes that argument tremendously in the eyes of a Judge. It has been reported extensively that the NFL & NFLPA have exchanged briefs since the appeal hearing. Certainly within those briefs the NFL has continuously reasserted it’s position that submitting “additional information” (Cell Phone Records &/or testimony from JJ & JM) could help Brady’s appeal & the NFLPA reply likely countered with a rejection to those requests. All-in-all, the delay in the decision is a combination of the NFL demonstrating that has given Brady EVERY opportunity to demonstrate that the charges are unjustified & Brady’s persistent refusal (inability) to accomplish that goal.

  158. “truthdispensary says:
    Jul 22, 2015 1:32 PM

    Goodell should issue his decision of “No changes to the 4 Game Suspension” on Thursday, Sept 10th at 5 PM. That would result in Brady automatically being suspended at least 1 game, since it would be virtually impossible for Brady to get an injunction issued by a judge the same day before game time.”

    At least you’re conceding that Goodell has no chance in a real court. Sadly, your knowledge of the law is weak. Brady doesn’t have to wait for Goodell to get an injunction. US Courts can act on the initial penalty without waiting for an appeal, and are fairly likely to view Brady’s arguments favorably if Goodell does something as transparently unfair as follow the advice you suggest.

    This comment really reveals the mindset of a lot of the haters. They don’t care about justice. They just want the Pats to be punished, and they don’t care if the charges are justified. They don’t want the evidence to be examined!

  159. “truthdispensary says:
    Jul 22, 2015 1:32 PM
    Goodell should issue his decision of “No changes to the 4 Game Suspension” on Thursday, Sept 10th at 5 PM. That would result in Brady automatically being suspended at least 1 game, since it would be virtually impossible for Brady to get an injunction issued by a judge the same day before game time.”


    Brady will go to court long before that to get an injunction. And if Goodell was stupid enough to do this, it would only seal the deal for Brady winning in court.

  160. Goodell needs to be taken out of the equation as a decision maker for league infractions, the NFL should institute a panel of 5-7 members from different teams to investigate and remedy these situations. The current method is akin to the the CEO of IBM getting involved in the matter of a low level employee cheating on his travel expenses. He should have much bigger issues to take care of in running the league than to be the Judge, Jury and Executioner over an under-inflated football.

  161. patriotinvasion says:
    Jul 22, 2015 12:46 PM

    This story will likely end up like the infamous “Rams walkthrough tape” that never existed – a figment of the hater’s imaginations.

    When Goodell or a judge overturns this insane ruling based on bogus evidence over literally 0.45 PSI in a football, the haters are going to melt where they stand crying about cover ups, and payoffs, and all kinds of lunacy. Can’t wait.

    End of the day fellas, if your team just plays better football maybe the Patriots won’t win all the time. Stop crygating like a kid at recess and hope your team just plays better football. I’ve never seen 0.45 PSI tackle anybody in my life. #ManUp.

    ——

    I’m a Giants fan. The Giants played better football against the Patriots. Twice.

    The Patriots didnt win those two games. Care to guess which games I’m referring to? Heres a hint for one of them:

    #18-1

    This is not the first time the Pats have been involved in some kind of scandal in recent years. Most people, no matter how much denial you want to drown yourself in, believe that where there’s smoke, there’s fire, especially when theres more than one fire burning.

  162. Brady altered the balls, he got caught, if he would have just been a man and accepted his slap on the wrist this is over. He is like Lance Armstrong, he feels above the rules for others. Stop being a whining nation of New England and be done with it.

  163. Cost of the Ted Well’s report: $5 million
    Money recouped from Pats fine: $1 million

    Result: 4 million reasons why he needs to delay the decision as long as possible.

  164. As posted before, most QB’s have their own likes as far as firmness of the football. This never should have happened. Pete Rozelle built the NFL into what ii is now. Roger Goodell is not keeping to Rozelles idea of making the NFL Americas biggest sports event.

  165. “chriskap11 says:
    Jul 22, 2015 2:07 PM
    Brady altered the balls, he got caught, if he would have just been a man and accepted his slap on the wrist this is over. He is like Lance Armstrong, he feels above the rules for others. Stop being a whining nation of New England and be done with it.”


    Nobody has ever accused Brady of altering the balls, other than in legal ways before he handed them over to the league

  166. steelshurtin says: What also can’t be explained away is why did the guy take the footballs into the bathroom after they were inspected. No matter what he did in there with them that looks bad.
    ===========================

    Actually – if any of the haters are bold enough to read the NY Times story from 11/23/13 “Eli Manning’s Footballs Months in the Making” – you’ll see that the Giants “Deflators” likely do the same thing and it’s easily explained

    They explain in detail they don’t leave the footballs unattended for a SECOND on game day for fear Eli’s footballs will go missing – so does that mean THEY are up to no good too? No of course not.

    So you’re probably still concerned with the notion that in a 90 second period all 12 footballs were deflated perfectly?

    Let’s forget for a second that they WEREN’T deflated according to the predictions of the Ideal Gas Law as confirmed by about 30 scientists by now.

    Is it possible? Maybe. But let’s look at the Officials attempt to only TEST all the Colts footballs during halftime.

    They weren’t trying to deflate – just stick the gauge in to test during halftime.

    Were they able to JUST test the Colts footballs during ALL of halftime?

    Nope – they openly admit they ran out of time – but that the 4 Colts footballs they tested were ALSO under 12.5 PSI on one of the gauges even though they had all of halftime to re-heat.

    So I’m not sure how the Haters explain that this guy could deflate 12 footballs perfectly (though they weren’t) in 90 seconds but the officials couldn’t just test 24 footballs in ALL of halftime – but those are the facts.

    Really – the extent to which the haters will go to ignore facts, or alter facts so they can feel better about their teams’s lack of success is pathetic.

    Though no more pathetic than Goodell openly stating that when it comes to the Colts footballs they assumed the HIGHER gauge was the accurate one – and when it came to the Patriots footballs they assumed the LOWER gauge was the accurate one.

    Neither Goodell nor the haters can have it both ways – but they’re trying! They think you are JUST that gullible – and they’re right!

  167. quizlingclinic says:
    Jul 22, 2015 2:01 PM

    Oh is brady def going to court? just like Kraft was going to take this to court if need be? LOL. Brady is bluffing. If he is fine with showing his phone he would have done it from the start. If the Patriots dont care about the ball boys going on the stand then they would have let wells interview them a second time. Both of these did not happen b/c the pats and brady didndt want it to happen. Nothing has changed. If Goodell keeps this as is i GUARANTEE brady doesnt go to court. Then Pats fans will sing the sad song of “well brady just took this nonsense b/c he didnt want to drag it out, not b/c he is guilty”. Only fair thing is to leave this as is, if brady goes to court then AWESOME! everyone gets to hear from the ball boys mouths what they meant by those texts, we get to see if there is anything on Brady’s phone. Its a win win for everyone involved. No more speculating. Seems fair right? Well only pats fans dont want the full truth, they want to bury their heads in the sand and just keep believing what Tom and Kraft tell them. I, for one, would like to know all the FACTS.

  168. Shankwalla – good point. people here not paying attention to the $5m spent and seem to act like it is no big deal. Can anyone recall how much it was going to cost the league to install end-one cameras? it seemed like a drop in bucket but was soundly rejected…. This $5M spent came out of someones budget and needs to be shown it was not a waste…

  169. Double Jeopardy, well it’s the Patriots so you know they did something, right?
    Let’s punish them so more for Spygate..
    I hate Belichick
    Tom Brady is soft..

    chriskap11 says: Jul 22, 2015 2:07 PM

    Brady altered the balls
    ————————————-
    WOW you could’ve saved us a lot of time. I have to ask, where’s the evidence? Oh, it’s the Patriots so naturally their guilty…..

  170. Goodell says,
    “We want to make sure we have a fair and open process.”

    Does anyone really believe that?

    I can’t imagine what it’s like to wake up in the morning, look at yourself in the mirror while shaving and convince yourself of the crap you are going to spew that day. And to keep doing it day after day. How sad!

    But never mind. Goodell is ruining the NFL. Making money for the owners doesn’t require the ability to sell ice to the Eskimos. Anyone who can sell water in the desert is capable. So fire Goodell and start the process of bringing integrity back to the shield.

  171. whispersd says:
    Jul 22, 2015 2:00 PM

    If your so worried about “justice” then you should want this to go to court. Not one person on this thread can tell us exactly what “deflator” meant. Or what they meant about going to ESPN. Or why tom contacted them 6 times after the game. What we know is Krafts explanation (and im sure the billionaire is buddy buddy with the ball boy and knows their inside jokes). Or whats on Tom’s phone. The only way to find out is to go to court, put JM and JJ on the stand, under oath and to take tom’s phone and see if there is anything on it. Period. Thats the only real JUSTICE. Til then we are all speculating. I’d rather his go to court and all get dropped completely than have Goodell make a deal down to 2 games suspension and Tom accept that. I want the full truth. Never again should a player be able to not cooperate. If he wants to play in the league then he should HAVE to cooperate with them. No if ands or buts about it. They will change that rule after this, ofcourse another huge rule change right after it has benefited Tommy Boy.

  172. Roger Goodell should be fired period……..weather this happened or not, he has screwed up way to much.

    Yeah…he screwed up to the tune of a 20% increase in profits.

  173. whatjusthapped says:
    Jul 22, 2015 11:14 AM

    I’m sorry, the day the Patriots asked all the football fans to believe that an employee’s nickname is “Deflator” because he is on a weight loss plan is the day they lost the PR battle.
    ========
    When I read it the first time I was right there with you. No way. Never heard of that. But, given I have never been out to lose weight how do I know what terminology they use. So I did a little research, you know, to see why anyone would try to use such a term.

    Amazingly, if you google deflate belly weight you will see many articles that pre-date Deflategate by years using deflate in regards to weight loss. So at the end of the day there is actually a relation between deflate and weight loss.

  174. Once the dust settles from this, every player in the league will be happy that Brady didn’t set the precedent that the NFL can demand your phone or establish a 4 game suspension for ANY trivial inquiry.

    Secondly, what if Tom turned in his phone and there was a text from Giselle referencing that Tom was using her phone for a period of time. Can NFL define cooperation as providing her phone? How about their mail? When is the NFL declaring “cooperation?” Nobody on this board knows that or can even speculate.How about a search of their house?

  175. I’m a Giants fan. The Giants played better football against the Patriots. Twice.

    The Patriots didn’t win those two games. Care to guess which games I’m referring to? Heres’ a hint for one of them:

    #18-1
    =====================================

    we remember those games well, in the first it appeared that the giants knew every play the patriots were going to run.

    care to explain how that happened?

  176. It’s amusing … no … it’s actually sickening to see how obsessed fans of rival teams are with the Patriots.

    Sifting through thousands of anti Patriots propaganda comments only proves the level of frustration opposing fans suffer through at the hands of the Patriots.

    NE’s sustained success rots their souls so badly. How could following the NFL be any fun for them at all at this point?

    Your obsession with them fuels your angry comments. The more comments, the more media outlets write about them. See the snowball effect here?

    Love em or hate em … everybody is burnt out and completely sick and tired of this story. All this coverage is ruining our NFL experience.

    Let it go guys. The Patriots won the Super Bowl. Aint nothing gonna take that back.

  177. j0esixpack says:
    Jul 22, 2015 2:11 PM

    Let’s forget for a second that they WEREN’T deflated according to the predictions of the Ideal Gas Law as confirmed by about 30 scientists by now.

    —————————————————————–
    So many flaws in such a short paragraph! #1 “according to predictions” doesnt mean squat. According to other ‘predicitons’ there is no way weather could have done this to balls. Sooooo awesome point genius. And #2 yes giants say they never want to leave the balls alone- but do they say they take them into the bathroom? Absolutely not. And #3 ppl have done tests and have easily stuck a needle in a ball for a second or two and moved onto the next one and completed deflated 12 balls in WELL UNDER the time frame the Pats ball boy had. So yes it can be done. The Refs took a much longer time b/c they were being very technical with it. Anyone in a rush can easily stick the needle in, leave it for a second or two and move on. Its like a bartender pouring a shot and counting seconds to make sure its accurately. Same thing with a ball boy. Any other genius facts you have? b/c so far you havent made one.

  178. Why do these pats fans believe the refs overinflated the balls by 4 1/2 psi as bevis and butt head suggested in the texts?

  179. RegisHawk says:

    Roger Goodell should …has screwed up way to much.

    Yeah…he screwed up to the tune of a 20% increase in profits.

    =======================================

    another person probably could have increased profits by 40% and only be paid $10 Million

  180. Free Jim McNally and John Jastremski, let them speak the truth on deflating!

  181. fanofpft says:
    Jul 22, 2015 2:28 PM
    Why do these pats fans believe the refs overinflated the balls by 4 1/2 psi as bevis and butt head suggested in the texts?


    Why do the haters think they were dead serious about deflating balls but accept this bit as not true? At least this bit had context!

  182. “The Giants played better football against the Patriots. Twice.”

    —————————————-

    Let’s not forget that all sports are a combination of skill and luck. NFL football is probably about 80% skill and 20% luck.

    The Giants got INCREDIBLY lucky (Twice.) in both of those games. Not to take anything away from their accomplishments, but that’s a fact.

    First game: Asante Samuel’s missed easy interception on the final drive. Then the miracle helmet catch. Second game: Welker’s dropped routine pass that would have resulted in a near game sealing first down.

    NE got lucky in the past too. A 50 yard field goal to win the first one as time expired. Similar situation in their second win. Lucky pick by Rodney Harrison as the Eagles were driving to tie or take the lead on the third win. Lucky interception winning the Seattle SB.

    Which is why you can say that the BB/Brady Patriots could easily 6-0 in Super Bowls or 0-6.

  183. bostontdparty says:
    Jul 22, 2015 2:28 PM

    Guess who lobbied to get Goodell $44mil/yr? Kraft. He apparently thinks Goodell is VERY good at his job and VERY fair. All the sudden when the punishment is against Kraft he isnt fair and he isnt good at his job? Shocking.

  184. Patriots haters say they hate NE because they cheat.

    Why is it that the Browns were relaying text messages from the press box to the field (relaying opponents signals?) but nobody cares?

    Why is it that the Falcons were blatantly pumping crowd noise to cause opposing quarterbacks audibles not to be heard by the rest of their offensive players, resulting in botched plays … but nobody cares?

    But the Patriots … allegedly may or may not have been playing with balls at the proper pressure … and it is the biggest news story in the history of sports.

    Somebody want to explain that?

    I will. You hate them because they win a lot. That is an indisputable fact. You hate them because they mop the floor with your favorite team on a regular basis. That is also an indisputable fact.

    Which means that the more you trash talk them and find creative ways to call them cheaters … the more it only reflects on you. Dumb comments like, “a systematic, institutionalized culture of cheating” … REALLY?

    If that helps you sleep at night.

  185. letsgobuffalo4 said, and all can be refuted, just read belows:

    #1 “according to predictions” doesnt mean squat. According to other ‘predicitons’ there is no way weather could have done this to balls. =====

    does anyone even understand what this means, refute the ideal gas law as a prediction, but then talk about the weather?

    #2 yes say they never want to leave the balls alone- but do they say they take them into the bathroom? Absolutely not. ==========

    no question, the one finable offense

    #3 ppl have done tests and have easily stuck a needle in a ball for a second or two and moved onto the next one and completed deflated 12 balls in WELL UNDER the time frame the Pats ball boy had. =======

    they may have done this, but did they miraculously manage to deflate 12 balls all within .2 psig of one another, NO, so your point is thrown out.

    And now let me say to you:

    any other genius facts you have? b/c so far you havent made one.

    your friend bostontdparty

  186. The issues in this case: the term “deflator”, JJ and JM talking about “going to espn”, Tom contacting them 6 times after the game, ball boy going into the bathroom, tom not showing his phone, Kraft refusing to let Well’s interview JJ or JM more than once,

    Now if your a patriots fan you say: Well the term deflator was used referring to weight, even tho im willing to bet not one person on this thread has ever used that term in that manor. Oh JJ and JM were going to espn about signed merchandise (altho who complains about free stuff, and why would ESPN even care?). Tom contacted them b/c he was worried about them (even tho he wasnt their friend and im guessing never talked outside of necessity. If one of them got a DUI would Tom be calling them worried about how they are doing?). The ball boy took the balls to the bathroom cuz he wanted to be sure nothing happened to them (as if he couldnt hold his pee a few more mins?). Tom didnt show his phone cuz it would set a ‘precedent’. Kraft didnt want this interrupting JJ and JM’s personal life so he wouldnt allow more interviews (obviously the Billionaire is close with them and cares deeply about ball boys). NOW- is that all possible? yes. OR……..

    Every other persons explanation: They cheated.

    One is very simple and makes sense, the other needs a lot of coincidences to justify all these things into making this all innocent. It’s common sense.

  187. Look at all the silly Pats fans that have learned a new phrase they don’t understand but love to say:

    “Ideal Gas Law”

  188. jimmyt says:

    Look at all the silly Pats fans that have learned a new phrase they don’t understand but love to say:

    “Ideal Gas Law”
    ============================

    i call it the Boyle effect, you remember him, he was in Everybody loves Raymond

  189. Facts have no place in investigative sports journalism. The NFL is a soap opera for dudes. And a religion with many different altars. God Himself along with Charles Darwin and Sherlock Holmes could appear to tell us Brady had no involvement in a scheme to deflate footballs and some of the nursing here would still find a wool to weave to justify claims of Brady’s guilt and eternal tarnish.

    This is sports. Just like we root for teams and players every week so we root for outcomes in issues like these. It all comes down to what you WANT to believe and what you think you can sell to others. But I know most of you haters do not really believe in Brady’s guilt.

  190. And, based on the limited standard of review of arbitration decisions, it’s unlikely Brady can prevail, even if he’s innocent.
    ===
    That’s not really what Florio has said…

  191. “jimmyt says:
    Jul 22, 2015 2:47 PM
    Look at all the silly Pats fans that have learned a new phrase they don’t understand but love to say:

    “Ideal Gas Law”’

    Actually I had to learn this in 10 grade: PV=nRT. I hated my teacher and remember thinking “I will never need to know this crap.”

  192. quizlingclinic says:
    Jul 22, 2015 2:32 PM

    fanofpft says:
    Jul 22, 2015 2:28 PM
    Why do these pats fans believe the refs overinflated the balls by 4 1/2 psi as bevis and butt head suggested in the texts?


    Why do the haters think they were dead serious about deflating balls but accept this bit as not true? At least this bit had context!

    Oh that’s right he called himself the deflator over weight loss. My bad.

    Let me head off the next chowddah headed tinfoil hatter by stating calling himself deflator happened many times in the texts scripts. Not just one time before the season. I am sick of seeing this lie.

  193. I cannot imagine how much hate some of these posters have toward Brady and the Patriots.

    I try, but I just can’t imagine it.

  194. It takes time to get all of the fabricated information together. Stings take time…

  195. Brady did nothing and the patriots should have 12 balls on the sideline and 2 gauges in the locker room.Make it a pay per view event and prove what science has already proven 1 more time.Donate any revenue to science education programs.This is not a complicated issue. The Patriots are the world’s team!

  196. It must be tortrue for the Patriots and their fans. I think everybody wants closure on this now so we can move onto what type of punishment was dished out for phase 3 of this debacle.

  197. 2001asterisk2003asterisk2004asterisk2014asterisk
    =======================

    Care to entertain us and explain how the Patriots were able to “cheat” by violating a new 2006 rule – from 2001-2004??

    =============================

    As further evidence that Hater’s can’t read – I’m still seeing commenters say that the Patriots assert “the Deflator” nickname is only about weight loss

    My God – not even the Patriots or Wells asserts this.

    He was called the Deflator because HIS JOB WAS TO DEFLATE FOOTBALLS!

    No one is shy about that. It’s a routine part of football throughout the NFL as the Giants own “Deflators” admit – and thus became a nickname as that’s the first thing he does when new footballs come in.

    The text “Deflate and give someone that jacket” was one of the texts. What exactly do the haters think that means since they can’t seem to accept that in that case it refers to weight loss?

    The Haters LOVE to take things out of context and act like weight loss is the ONLY explanation the Patriots gave – when in fact they – and every other team – openly admits that, yes, they employ football prep guys who deflate and re-inflate (among other things) as part of breaking in a football

    Amazing – can you guys NOT read? Or do you just refuse to?

  198. paulrevereshorse1775 says:
    Jul 22, 2015 3:03 PM

    I cannot imagine how much hate some of these posters have toward Brady and the Patriots.

    I try, but I just can’t imagine it.

    ****
    Same can be said for how much other cheating the Pathetics have gotten away with.

  199. Why the wait? Because brady’s sleezy lawyer’s are going to grill the NFL on legal loopholes.

    Brady has balls deflated to his liking for a competitive advantage (cheating) and makes a federal case out of it.

    Crybabies

  200. Don’t expect any suspension to happen this season.

    If Goodell tries to suspend Tom Brady, even for 1 game, Brady’s lawyers will have the case on a judge’s desk 5 minutes after Goodell’s announcement. The judge will slap an injunction on the suspension, pending court review and (if Goodell doesn’t back down) a trial.

    More likely than not, in a court of law, the suspension gets thrown out entirely. The Patriots might even get their pick back, once real lawyers rip apart the Well’s report.

    Even if everything goes Goodell’s way, and he miraculously wins the court battle, it will be the 2016 season before he can act on the suspension, and if it really drags out that long, Brady will likely just retire.

  201. The fan bases of the 31 other teams really should be careful what they wish for …the outcome of this dumb infraction is going to be the basis of all other dumb infractions in the future.

    Can’t wait for Ravens fans to whine when Belichick calls out their WR for wearing a cleat that is a fraction of an inch too long – boom! 4 game suspension.

    Uniform violations – 4 game suspension

    Coach over the line – 4 game suspension (btw, how is deflategate a bigger deal then Tomlin trying to interfere with a play on the field?)

  202. jrossizzle says:
    Jul 22, 2015 10:41 AM
    The non delusional public knows Tom cheated but Roger would like the SB MVP on the field
    *****************************************************
    I just wanted to repost what someone from the “educated audience” had to say…………………….lol

    Every “Non-Patriots Fan” knows the real deal. PAT fans can “SHOVE” the comments, you are all ostrich’s with your heads hidden in the ground, unwilling to acknowledge the truth. However, take these “same” people, change the name of the team to say the “Steelers, Seahawks or Bronco’s” and they would be signing up for lynch mobs………………….

  203. letsgobuffalo4 says: So many flaws in such a short paragraph! #1 “according to predictions” doesnt mean squat. According to other ‘predicitons’ there is no way weather could have done this to balls. Sooooo awesome point genius. And #2 yes giants say they never want to leave the balls alone- but do they say they take them into the bathroom? Absolutely not. And #3 ppl have done tests and have easily stuck a needle in a ball for a second or two and moved onto the next one and completed deflated 12 balls in WELL UNDER the time frame the Pats ball boy had. So yes it can be done. The Refs took a much longer time b/c they were being very technical with it. Anyone in a rush can easily stick the needle in, leave it for a second or two and move on. Its like a bartender pouring a shot and counting seconds to make sure its accurately. Same thing with a ball boy. Any other genius facts you have? b/c so far you havent made one.
    =========================

    Um – I think I have

    #1 – If you have a problem with the scientific experiments that show the Deflation as stated by the Wells Report is “as expected” take it up with the 30 plus scientists who affirmed the AEI findings – and laughed at Wells and Exponent (which “proved” that cigarette smoke is not dangerous)

    #2 – The Giants “Deflators” – the Skiba Brothers – when they aren’t selling fake gameball footballs to charities per their criminal charges, openly admit they keep game day footballs with them at all times. They didn’t say “except for the bathroom” even if the Haters wish they did.

    #3 – Why do you ignore the fact that the OFFICIALS THEMSELVES openly admit they were unable to ONLY test (not perfectly deflate) all 12 Colts Footballs? Is it possible to perfectly deflate 12 footballs in under 90 seconds? Maybe – some have tried in a very unscientific experiment as I stated. But given this admission from the NFL’s own officials I think we can all admit that perfect deflation in a men’s room stall of 12 footballs in under 90 seconds is a BIG stretch.

    And once again – the FOOTBALLS WERE NOT DEFLATED as confirmed by over 30 scientists familiar with the Laws of Physics (which Goodell accepts for Andrew Luck – as the 4 Colts footballs tested were also under 12.5 psi – but rejects for Brady)

    I appreciate you calling me a genius however – but really I’m just stating some simple facts that the Haters can’t seem to accept

  204. fanofpft says:
    Jul 22, 2015 3:15 PM

    Same can be said for how much other cheating the Pathetics have gotten away with.

    ———

    in case you haven’t noticed, it has been said endless times here, all starting from an 11 of 12 footballs story that the NFL knew was wrong the minute it was published, and didn’t bother to correct. Instead they let the hysteria fester like an infected boil oozing pus, and even made the owner of the team they were accusing sign a non-disclosure agreement, two months after the halftime testing, to find out what the actual results were. Why didn’t they want the truth to be told?

    And that’s where you put your faith? Go for it.

  205. jrossizzle says:
    Jul 22, 2015 10:41 AM
    The non delusional public knows Tom cheated but Roger would like the SB MVP on the field
    *****************************************************
    I just wanted to repost what someone from the “educated audience” had to say…………………….lol

    Every “Non-Patriots Fan” knows the real deal. PAT fans can “SHOVE” the comments, you are all ostrich’s with your heads hidden in the ground, unwilling to acknowledge the truth. However, take these “same” people, change the name of the team to say the “Steelers, Seahawks or Bronco’s” and they would be signing up for lynch mobs………………….
    __________________________________
    Pat’s fans come from the most educated part of the country. With that in mind I find it fascinating you imply they are the only group not in the “educated audience” and are the only collective group incapable of assessing the truth. Perhaps you have your vocabulary words mixed up?

  206. fanofnflbst said

    Same can be said for how much other cheating the Pathetics have gotten away with.

    ——————-

    now provide the evidence

    yeah talk is cheap

  207. Why is it taking so long? Like everything else out of the Commish’s office, incompetence.

  208. One of the most ironic aspects of Deflategate is that after numerous scientists knocked the conclusion of the Wells Report, the report that Wells was crying to the NFL Execs wanting them to back Wells…..and they threw him under the bus too!

  209. Regardless of which side your on. Goodell and the NFL dropped the hammer 5 days after the Wells report. They digested 243 pages of complete nonsense and garbage and levied a punishment.

    A single hearing that Goodell himself presided over and testified in (seriously?) has taken 29 days to rule on after he approved the first punishment.

    Completely ridiculous.

  210. Yes Roger , hurry up – are you helping Brady get on the field for opener or not by delaying this? I am no legal expert so am unsure.

    I would guess that waiting helps Brady and it is the favor you will do Kraft/ Pats like the huge favor you did when more Spygate evidence was destroyed in Foxboro three days after you ruled on that.( and no one insult me with “Spygate was about having camera in wrong spot in 2006 and had nothing to do with seasons prior….”)

    I think there are 31 more fan bases that would pay $1.75 million in fines, lose 3 draft picks, have a possible 0-4 game suspension loom for 7 months for a SB MVP,and have to put up with Internet banter with fans of other teams that thought you earned everything crookedly in exchange for 4 Lombardies.

  211. patswhatsup says:
    Jul 22, 2015 3:51 PM
    A single hearing that Goodell himself presided over and testified in (seriously?) has taken 29 days to rule on after he approved the first punishment. Completely ridiculous.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    If it were only ‘Ridiculous’ it could be easily fixed.

    The actions of Goodell & the NYC Front Office are both CRIMINAL & CORRUPT.

    The ONLY Remedy is for top to bottom firings starting with Goodell and the relocating of NFL Headquarters to Canton, Ohio.

  212. The envy, bitterness and just absolute ignorance of people really never ceases to amaze me. The Patriots, Bill Belichick and Tom Brady have been forever branded as cheaters because of Spygate and Deflategate.

    Spygate is a joke and only resulted in punishment for the team and coach because Belichick blatantly ignored the league when he was told to stop doing it. He didn’t CHEAT, he scoffed at the league and was punished for it. If any of you knew ANYTHING about Spygate other than what you’ve read in the biased headlines of your own team’s beat writers, you’d know the Patriots were “busted” for doing the exact same thing teams still do to this day (video taping games), but they were doing it from field level as opposed to being in press boxes. The “super bowl walkthroughs” were confirmed to be nothing more than the lies and ramblings of an angry ex-employee who even admitted himself that no such videos ever existed. The Patriots didn’t cheat, they were dicks about it… no more no less.

    Deflategate is another joke and was an unwarranted attack on Tom Brady in attempts to tarnish his legacy and label him a cheater. The allegations are serious yes, but there is absolutely no proof that he did anything wrong and it has been scientifically proven by an unbiased 3rd party by the name of AEI that there was no evidence of tampering with the footballs. But no, they were paid off by the Patriots because it’s somebody actually coming to the defense of Brady and the Patriots rather than jumping on them like everybody else.

    Bottom line, this conspiracy of cheating by the Patriots is nothing more than an excuse for players like Marshall Faulk and Kurt Warner and fans of opposing teams who still can’t beat the Patriots to not have to feel bad about losing the super bowl or watching the Patriots roll their team time and time again. It’s pathetic really. If labeling them cheaters makes you feel better, than go right ahead… but Patriots fans know their team won their 4 championships with nothing more than hard work and clutch plays.

  213. dcmidnight says:
    Jul 22, 2015 10:41 AM
    Does anyone really think Brady would accept any games off – essentially admitting that he cheated?

    The only “deal” I can see him accepting would be the no games off / 4 game fine thats been kicked about here.

    Otherwise I think he’s heading straight to court.

    And given the above – the NFL has to be absolutely terrified. Terrified. Sure maybe Brady would have to hand over his cell phone – which may or may not have anything on it – but the NFL would then be dragged through another court battle which seems to be lose/lose for them.
    ——————————————————————
    Riiight, I’m sure the NFL is shaking in their boots right now over upsetting the God amongst Men, angel from heaven brady

  214. Paulrevereshorse, did Brady present any new scientific evidence in his appeal? I would have to believe that if he is challenging the science, he would have to have submitted it. Bigger question, if he didn’t, why didn’t he?

  215. kev86 says:
    Jul 22, 2015 3:16 PM

    Why the wait? Because brady’s sleezy lawyer’s are going to grill the NFL on legal loopholes.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The “loopholes” are between Goodel’s ears.

    The legal issues are under the jurisdiction of a US Court.

    The season opener belongs to QB Tom Brady the WORLD CHAMPION NE PATRIOTS.

  216. paulrevereshorse1775 says:
    Jul 22, 2015 3:45 PM

    fanofpft says:
    Jul 22, 2015 3:15 PM

    Same can be said for how much other cheating the Pathetics have gotten away with.

    ———

    in case you haven’t noticed, it has been said endless times here, all starting from an 11 of 12 footballs story that the NFL knew was wrong the minute it was published, and didn’t bother to correct. Instead they let the hysteria fester like an infected boil oozing pus, and even made the owner of the team they were accusing sign a non-disclosure agreement, two months after the halftime testing, to find out what the actual results were. Why didn’t they want the truth to be told?

    And that’s where you put your faith? Go for it.
    ****
    Not sure what my wondering what other cheating the team most likely has done we don’t know about ties in. But you addressed this to me and I will oblige. Easy.

    First off dropping a digit when texting something is fairly common. I catch myself doing this on occasions. 11 of 12 balls v 1 of 12 balls. A simple typo. The message was sent the story went on. We see articles retracted here on a routine basis.

    Secondly When an entity is conducting an ongoing investigation there is no information to be had. It came from a source with a typo error most likely. So how can you even expect a timely retraction in the first place?

  217. Can’t you just imagine all the childish Pats fans crying their eyes out like kids who just learned that there’s no Santa Claus?

    “What do you MEAN Tom lied and cheated?!!! NO. NO. NO. It’s not POSSIBLE!!!!”

    Yeah. Riiiiight.

  218. Nobody knows what will happen here, but this I do know…..

    Goodell will never sit in an open air seat at Gillette. EVER…..with the possible exception of being escorted by Bob Kraft and a floatilla of Mass State Troopers.

  219. bostontdelusionist says:
    Jul 22, 2015 3:46 PM

    fanofnflbst said

    Same can be said for how much other cheating the Pathetics have gotten away with.

    ——————-

    now provide the evidence

    yeah talk is cheap
    ****
    Yes it was cheap talk. PRH wondered why so much hate. I pointed out that the cheating and suspecting cheating leads to it.

    You obviously hold to a belief your team has never been in the wrong. So my making bullet points of the glutenous past transactions would be fruitless. I could suggest reading any number of threads like this where there are long lists from the past.

  220. Ever notice how the most obsessive Patriots bashers are fans of the Patriots biggest rivals?

    (AKA, fans of teams the Patriots routinely mop the floor with and teams the Patriots have beaten in Super Bowls.)

    They foam at the mouth and froth with unimaginable rage. CHEATERS! LIARS! IT’S NOT FAIR!

    Yet fans of teams like the 49ers, Bears, Cardinals and Vikings generally have no opinion.

    Funny how that works … huh?

    🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

    (One smirk for each championship!)

  221. lanman11 says:
    Jul 22, 2015 4:45 PM

    Nobody knows what will happen here, but this I do know…..

    Goodell will never sit in an open air seat at Gillette. EVER…..with the possible exception of being escorted by Bob Kraft and a floatilla of Mass State Troopers.
    ****
    With all the espionage tactics built into the place I’m sure they would know where he was at all times and even what he has to say.

    I would like a study conducted of all the 2nd half come backs that took place there. Like they did with the fumbling stats.

  222. limakey says:
    Jul 22, 2015 4:12 PM

    Paulrevereshorse, did Brady present any new scientific evidence in his appeal? I would have to believe that if he is challenging the science, he would have to have submitted it. Bigger question, if he didn’t, why didn’t he?

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    I wasn’t there so I cannot answer your question about presenting new scientific evidence. As far as challenging the science, I think it would be more of a question of challenging the application of the science. I have read various parts the Wells Report numerous times. I have never read it cover to cover in one sitting. What I find interesting is the way some of the information is scattered. I’ll read a particular section, and think “wait a minute, I read something else that connects to this somewhere else” then have to go looking for it. There are dots to connect, that are not obvious, if you want to go looking for them.

    I have, and I have argued them in these comments sections before, but too many think the only credible result is one that skewers Brady and the Patriots, regardless of what it takes to get there. So I’m not wasting my time with people like that.

    However I’d venture a guess that Jeffrey Kessler knows exactly how to pick apart a report like Wells produced, and presented that as part of the appeal, so that if it goes to court, those arguments may become part of the reviewed information. I tend to think a judge wouldn’t actually rule on the validity of the report, but more so how the report (and arguments against it) are reflected in the punishment.

    Either way, it would have been interesting to be a fly on the wall that day.

  223. fanofpft says:
    Jul 22, 2015 4:35 PM

    First off dropping a digit when texting something is fairly common. I catch myself doing this on occasions. 11 of 12 balls v 1 of 12 balls. A simple typo. The message was sent the story went on. We see articles retracted here on a routine basis.

    Secondly When an entity is conducting an ongoing investigation there is no information to be had. It came from a source with a typo error most likely. So how can you even expect a timely retraction in the first place?

    ———-

    well it has been 6 months and ESPN still hasn’t corrected the 11 of 12 footballs story. Its a pretty easy thing to correct 3 seconds after it happened.

    the NFL could have just said “that report is wrong, the correct information will released at a later time”. That is all they needed to say. They knew what the exact measurements were before Mort did.

  224. The NFL has never had any interest or concern with ball inflation levels. Countless cold weather games have been played with underinflated balls. No one cares. The only previous citation in an NFL game involved the heating of balls on the sidelines during a very cold game. The league issued a warning that that was against regulations.
    The league has no protocol in place to ensure compliance with ball inflation levels for the above reason. No one cares. The Wells report relied on the memory of the official about the pregame inflation level. Was he truthful under the circumstances or did he give them the squeeze test?
    The officials used two different gauges that were not calibrated and gave different readings. The Wells report decided not to believe the official’s memory of which gauge he used to measure the Patriot balls in order to maximize the degree of deflation and thus culpability. All of this is compelling reason to conclude there was not enough evidence to conclude anything.
    The American Enterprise independent investigation later concluded that any deflation was solely the result of weather and atmospheric conditions and the science of the Wells report was shoddy and no basis for any conclusion. Finally, the NFL leaked false information about the pressure of the footballs, which it allowed to stand for months, damaging Brady’s reputation. If Roger Goodell recognizes all of this, this decision has everything to do with his personal integrity and not a thing to do with Tom Brady.
    There is only one legitimate option here: vacate the suspension of Brady and the penalties against the Patriots. Then there are the illegitimate options that punish innocence and further defame the greatest, most competitive QB in NFL history.

  225. All the patriots fans cry for PROOF.

    Tom knows he has given his guys a wink wink over the years. That is beyond obvious.

    Is Tom Brady one of the greatest ever……yes.

    Did he push the envelope on cheating……oh yes,big time!!!!!

  226. For the last time, the ONLY people who believe Brady is guilty of cheating are the delusional haters – the ones who’ve hated the Pats since spygate. Everyone else with common sense knows deep down that this whole thing is straight up bullcrap. Goodell is stalling because he wants to drag the damn thing out. It’s all about saving his reputation and stroking his inflated ego.

  227. Hey Florio — That looks like Elwood Blues in the picture! It’s a hundred and six miles to Chicago, we’ve got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it’s dark, and we’re wearing sunglasses. LOVE IT!

  228. fanofpft says:
    Jul 22, 2015 2:59 PM

    Let me head off the next chowddah headed tinfoil hatter by stating calling himself deflator happened many times in the texts scripts. Not just one time before the season. I am sick of seeing this lie.
    ———————————————————–
    What does this prove? Even if you want to assume he was referring to deflating a football, there is no evidence to show that it was below the 12.5 standard, or that it was done after the referee’s inspection. You have to assume a bunch of things with little or no evidence, but then utterly ignore the referee’s best recollection of what he actually did in order to make even a “more probable than not” case.

  229. Paulrevereshorse, thanks for your response. I would also love to have been a fly on the wall. I don’t think we can rule out that Brady didn’t offer new evidence. And if was scientific, then this will take time. We also can’t rule he didn’t produce any electronic communications. Like did he submit a couple but not all?

  230. This delaying tactic to hide will not work as the Union is ready to go to court to obtain an injunction to allow Brady to play, so there is no wiggle room for Goodell.

    By the way, didn’t Vegas start odds on when Goodell will be fired along with Vincent and their other cronies?

    The owners are getting pissed on how this has dragged out.

  231. If the owners are going on with Goodells delay its because Goodell has an army of lawyers building a case against the N.E. organization. If Brady goes to court he opens the whole team up to examination both past and present plahers ,staff and administration. Imagine what can be dished out in court. I mean look at what happened over a few pounds of air in a football. Brady won’t go to court because Kraft will ask him not to, so the team doesn’t get dragged through the mud anymore than it already has plus other owners don’t want the integrity of the game at risk in court.

  232. I can’t believe this hasn’t been settled yet! All Brady has to do is relinquish his cell phone records. Period. If he’s guilty….there’s your proof. If he’s not guilty….there’s your proof. This is not rocket science. If Brady REFUSES to relinquish his cell phone records…gee… I wonder what this means?

  233. Let me start by saying that I do not know why McNally went into the bathroom with the footballs in his charge. However, let me suggest a likely explanation that hasn’t gotten a lot of attention.

    McNally is about 50 years-of-age. At this time of life many men find that their “plumbing” is not as robust as it was in their youth. Standing on the sidelines subject to the physical effects of a cold and rainy evening, a guy could be assaulted by certain biological urges that might might demand attention prior half time. So I’m not at all surprised that McNally would want to visit the bathroom prior to heading to the field. In fact, it would be more surprising to me if he hadn’t made such a trip.

    The simplest (and least sexy) explanation of why McNally may have gone into the bathroom is (drum roll, please) to go to the bathroom!

  234. Goodell being the petty, manipulative person he is, I would not be surprised if he waits until the day before the Patriots first game to announce the suspension is upheld. At a minimum that would force Brady to miss one game before an injunction could be filed. And in lil’ Rogers crazy mind that would be a win.

  235. This has nothing to do with the Brady suspension now. THIS IS ABOUT SAVING FACE for Goodell. Goodell needs to be fired not over this but for everything.

    He is making up rules as they go. I hope Brady keeps up the threat of the lawsuit. If Goodell upholds the suspension and Brady sues. More then likely everything will come to light whether Brady is guilty or showing how incompetent Goodell has become.

    Goodell is making the rules up on alot of issues as he goes. He needs to be terminated ASAP. If a Brady lawsuit brings to light how incompetent Goodell has become. Then his firing becomes more than likely.

  236. Alot of you are missing the point. This is not about Brady or deflategate.

    Their is no news on the appeal because Brady with the NFLPA has a legit lawsuit as leverage against the NFL. The NFL does not like to lose. Uphold the suspension and Brady files the lawsuit. Brady will more then likely win that lawsuit. The NFL is hoping Brady backs off and accepts a lesser suspension. Right now it looks like Brady is not doing that.

    I know and understand the anger against the PATS and Brady. But personally it’s about time someone stuck it to the NFL and Roger Goodell. Goodell should have been fired along time ago.

  237. Goodell and his cronies do not know what to do right now. So they just sit on their hands and hurt the Patriots. When owners a small group of owners are pushing him to keep the 4 game suspension and if he listens, he is no longer a neutral and fair arbitrator. This alone should be used in a court case

  238. Goodell’s cronies look at the arguments the Union will be making in front of the court, and they say uhh they could win there, then look at next argument and they say, uhhh they have a point there and then the next issue and uhhh they can win there too. and on it goes, and this is why they are desperately looking at how they can win in court and it does not look pretty. Tom, just be patient. If the NFL does not make a decision, you go to court and file a suit and injunction for failure to make a decision.

  239. Goodall, ” my golden owner let his favorite boy cheat a little too much and I need more time to find a way to pardon him without losing the rest of the league if I do!” Yeah, if you do pardon him I’ve got news for you….

  240. It’s a simple power play by Goodell. He wants to show the world that HE’S in charge. The only way for him to do this is to take about 20x as long as is necessary to make any kind of decision.

    It’s like Axl Rose starting a Guns n’ Roses concert 4 hours late. He does it because he can.

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