Reported Brady offer to pay fine not an admission of guilt

Those settlement talks between the NFL and NFL Players Association regarding the Tom Brady appeal reportedly have resulted in an offer from the union that Brady would receive a fine but not a suspension.

This has caused many to question whether such an offer amounts to an admission of guilt by Brady.

The truth is that it doesn’t. Regardless of guilt or innocence, parties to any type of litigation routinely trade certainty for uncertainty by working out a deal. Innocent people often accept a guilty plea in criminal cases or pay a settlement in civil cases in order to avoid the worst-case scenario from a judge’s decision or a jury’s verdict.

A prime example of that dynamic comes from the Brian Banks case. The former USC recruit (who is now a league office employee) went to jail for more than five years for a crime he didn’t commit, because the alternative was to go to trial and face the possibility of a conviction and a sentence of life in prison.

Would plenty of people think Brady is guilty if he agrees to pay a fine, even if the fine is simply for failing to cooperate with the Ted Wells investigation and not for cheating? Sure, but plenty of people will think Brady is guilty even if Commissioner Roger Goodell declares that the Wells investigation was the product of incompetence, vacates the suspension, and apologizes to Brady for the inconvenience.

None of it matters, since the NFL is highly unlikely to accept a settlement that results in no suspension. But Brady’s willingness to give up a game check or two (or four) doesn’t mean he’s admitting to doing anything wrong.

219 responses to “Reported Brady offer to pay fine not an admission of guilt

  1. PAY THE FINE & TAKE 4 SUSPENSION WEEKS CHEATER!!! Told y’all that Goodell was gonna cave in to stay in good with the by GOD patsies, the darlings of the NFL!!!

  2. In the court of public opinion, settling for a fine = admission of guilt.

  3. Ridiculous. Then the richest of players wi me we have to cooperate. They can nearly pay their way out of everything.

    Suspend him 8 games for not cooperating.

  4. ustintuckrule says:
    Jul 23, 2015 6:05 PM

    In the court of public opinion, settling for a fine = admission of guilt.

    __________________________________

    Only for bozos like you…

  5. 9/10 PFT Most Commented articles have “Brady” in the headline. And something tells me this one will soon make it 10/10.

    Looks like you’re all enjoying your Summer of Brady. B-)

    FYI, “deflategate” has now lasted longer than a full NFL season.

  6. .
    Why, oh why, would Tom Brady care about the opinion of someone who uses the handle of “justintuckrule”.

    Didn’t the Giants give up 350 yards rushing to the Seahawks last year? Go post on a Giants thread where you can tell the world how this current NYG defense is the greatest of all time?
    .

  7. In the court of public opinion, settling for a fine = admission of guilt.
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    Not for me. The fine for what happened is $25,000 and as typical, should be paid for by the Patriots. Brady should agree to “pay” by giving up all the money he could win by not suing.

  8. Tom would like to pay only a fine, especially since it is Gisele who is writing the cheque

  9. “Innocent people often accept a guilty plea in criminal cases …”

    That has never happened in the entire history of mankind short of coercion. Innocent people do not plead guilty.

  10. If this is the case – ALL players should have the option to pay a fine and avoid a suspension – how many times have people been on here griping, moaning, and bitc%ing that fining athletes making six and seven figures DOES’T do any good – I get that unions have to defend their members to the best of their ability but in this case what he is “accused” of doing and according to what is widely accepted outside of the New England region what he did had an effect on other union members as well……it will show nothing more than favoritism to the Patriots and to Brady at this point if the suspension is wiped out completely – it has to be at least 1-2 games.

  11. Sorry Tainted Tommy you don’t get to dictate, you don’t get to make a mockery of the NFL, you don’t get to insult fans by your arrogance, you don’t get to refuse to cooperate in investigations, and you don’t get to ruin the integrity of the NFL.

  12. Funny how the same 3-4 people who are not Pats fans are always the first few to post on ANYTHING Patriots. Quite sad really if you think about it

  13. Your report omits the cost of litigation as a motivating factor for both parties. In addition to a waiver of any claim for the initial suspension, I presume any settlement would also contain a waiver of any defamation claim Brady could make against the NFL and specific individuals (like those lobbying for no reduction of sentence) who may be joined as co-conspirators. The anti-trust exemption does not extend to tortious conduct. While it seems unlikely that Brady would succeed given the high standard for public figures, such a suit could continue to hang over the NFL for years. In addition, the sponsors who have been injured by the suspension would be mollified.

    Peter King suggested postponing any punishment until there is data from the 2015 season to confirm or refute scientific theory. Imagine – common sense may yet prevail!

  14. IF, IF he accepts this it needs to come along with a statement that puts finality to all this. If he gets fined for failure to cooperate AND Goodell admits that there is no proof he wasi nvolved then I’m probably OK with it. If it does not come with a statement along those lines then Brady should decline and go to court.

    What justintuckrule said is true, so without vindication the “settlement” would mean nothing to Brady.

  15. If Brady offers to pay a fine in this situation, then it is an admission of guilt.

    I can understand an innocent person offering to pay a fine to avoid the risk of a jury or judge giving jail time. But jail is not something Brady has to worry about.

    The fact that he OFFERED to pay a fine is proof.
    GUILTY !!!!!!

  16. Belichick’s annual Pats handbook explains that all of his players that have cheated under him an a million way per game from 2000-2015 must lie until you die.

  17. The NFL put out a fake report of the false psi readings a week before the Super Bowl. Brady then proceeded and won the Superbowl MVP in the greatest comeback in easily the greatest game ever played. By far the funniest thing of it Imo is that a lot of people thought Brady was gonna have a bad game in the Superbowl because he wouldn’t get to deflate the footballs. He broke the completion record and won the Super Bowl. I’ll take that, please colts/NFL front office make up another outrageous accusation that can be disproved by science if it gets the pats what it did this last Superbowl. What a feeling that was winning that game, thanks.

  18. The NFL should be happy he’s even willing to take a fine. Obviously just to avoid the mess of court and the continuing story. Brady and the PA could make the NFL look really bad here.

  19. Of course, paying a fine is an admission of guilt. If it’s not, then that means he simply decided to donate money to the League Office out of the goodness of his heart. Perhaps he thinks Roger needs a bonus.

    Paying the fine constitutes an admission of guilt. Now I think what you were trying to say is that admitting guilt doesn’t necessarily mean you really did it–that I could accept. But paying the fine means you have admitted guilt just to bring the issue to a close and not allow it to escalate any further.

  20. The text messages are an admission of guilt. That coupled with his lack of cooperation almost assures guilt. The question is how big a deal this is and how much should he be punished. Not sure this is much of an advantage and it appears others do it too. So, 4 games might be too much.

  21. The only people that don’t think Brady cheated, at least in some form, are patriots fans.

    Only an idiot would think that one of the equipment guys’ nicknames is DEFLATER because he is on a diet.

    Brady is a great qb,but he didn’t have to get an extra edge by “wink wink” approving the balls to be deflated.

    No need for hard proof…..it’s obvious he had the equipment guys in his back pocket, including the text messages made, that he didn’t want to hand over to the commish.

    If you don’t have anything to hide, there wouldn’t be this mess.

  22. I remember when the NFL was about playing football games.

    I remember when catching up on NFL news was actually related to football games.

    I miss those days.

  23. bradyakagod says:
    Jul 23, 2015 6:22 PM

    The NFL put out a fake report of the false psi readings a week before the Super Bowl. Brady then proceeded and won the Superbowl MVP in the greatest comeback in easily the greatest game ever played. By far the funniest thing of it Imo is that a lot of people thought Brady was gonna have a bad game in the Superbowl because he wouldn’t get to deflate the footballs. He broke the completion record and won the Super Bowl. I’ll take that, please colts/NFL front office make up another outrageous accusation that can be disproved by science if it gets the pats what it did this last Superbowl. What a feeling that was winning that game, thanks.

    bridgeh2o says;

    So, I guess the nickname of one of the equipment guys is DEFLATER because he is losing weight?

    I mean, that is beyond ridiculous, and you know that.

    If he wasn’t guilty, he would have come clean regarding his phone and text messages to the equipment guy to boot.

    No, sorry, no hard proof is needed to prove the obvious.

  24. Unnamed “sources” told Mortensen the balls were 2lbs under too. Just saying

  25. Guilty if he pays fine huh? Use common sense (I know its hard for most). Would you: pay a fine to the nfl for $25k-$100k and play week 1? Or, fight this in federal court for months-years for millions of dollars in attorney fees? And don’t give me that, “He’s rich it won’t mean anything to whom.” Everyone worries about money. Whether you’re broke and don’t have much, or rich and you never have enough

  26. It is amazing that so many people with enough brain cells to log into their computers do not understand something as simple as what Florio has written here. I kind of thought it all went without saying.

  27. I wonder if – assuming there is a settlement – there will language prohibiting Brady from going after Wells. That’s a show I would pay good money for ringside tickets.

  28. Opposing fans think he’s guilty if he doesn’t fight it, and a guilty douche if he does fight it. Doesn’t really matter.
    The league painted Brady as a villian with falsehoods and a sham investigation.
    For whatever reason, this is what the New Yorkers in the office wanted. It’s an easy sell to the other 31.
    The league, fans and media all make up the story as they wish it to be. Not a whole lot Brady can do about it now.
    Unfortunately the corrupt office won’t be exposed unless there is a defamation lawsuit, and i seriously doubt that Brady is the kind of person to take it that far.

  29. Comparing someone taking a please to avoid LIFE IN PRISON with Tom Brady offering a fine to avoid SUSPENSION FROM A SPORTS LEAGUE…

    Jesus, Mike, I know this place has turned into PatriotsFanTruthers.com lately, but that is entirely absurd. Brady can’t stomp his feet about how he didn’t do anything and offer to pay a fine for it at the same time. Guilty.

  30. “fearthehoody says:
    Jul 23, 2015 6:33 PM
    Guilty if he pays fine huh?”

    ABSOLUTELY. You pats fans are such flip floppers. First you say brady shouldn’t give an inch and the federal case would be a slam dunk guaranteed win. His reputation is on the line. So now you say court would take YEARS and millions of dollars?? LOL!

    The reason they offered a settlement is that they know they will likely lose in court.

  31. I’ve never heard a player try to control the outcome of punishment. Brady’s not even a good player. Imagine if this was one of the future Hall of Famers that don’t play on a team where Coach/GM demands all players cheat every week to beat the garbage Jags. If I was the Commissioner then I double down for this tactic of players demanding their own outcomes alone. Every other player that too, and most are way better than Brady.

  32. Now we know that the assumption that the NFL had no clue about deflation due to cold weather is false.

    They knew, as everyone does, and it was part of the Plan from day one. It is well within the scope of the corruption at NYC headquarters for Goodell to knowingly use the cold weather in Foxboro for his advantage to frame Brady & the Patriots.

    Goodell firmly believes in his own egotistic narcissistic authority that his decisions are not to be questioned – this is FACT. Since the NFL has no set specific written scientific/accurate procedure for measuring & recording football psi, then, in FACT, it was very simple to frame Brady by #1.) manipulating data #2.) hiring an unethical lawyer to come to a pre-determined guilty verdict #3.) hiring an unethical study/analysis group (Exponent) for the pre-determined data results that support the guilty verdict. #4.) use the News Media to promote the Agenda of the NFL by disseminating FALSE & DEFAMATORY assumptions & leaks, as if they were factual.

    Goodell & some Jealous Owners, being so high on themselves, never anticipated that their plan would be exposed for the Frame job that it is. Goodell has no where to turn now but to stay true to his egomaniac power lust and dig in firmly by not admitting to the lack of evidence for his extremely unjust punishment handed down upon Brady., and he has some jealous Owners backing him.
    WE the PEOPLE – Rise UP and eliminate the Hypocrisy & Corruption of Goodell & those who stand in the way of Truth, Justice & Fairness.
    REFUSE to be naive & trusting – The way Goodell & the News Media has led you and fed you.

  33. diehardgiantsfan says:
    Jul 23, 2015 6:22 PM
    Belichick’s annual Pats handbook explains that all of his players that have cheated under him an a million way per game from 2000-2015 must lie until you die.
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    Must have learned all his cheating ways while with the Giants, you know, during those years they won their first two SBs.

  34. the flaw of this article is that it is comparing the worst case penalty brady is facing, to people facing jail time. 2 completely different things. brady wanted exoneration. accepting a large fine = GUILT. No doubt about it.

  35. The only way I’ll be happy with the outcome is if Goodell gets bounced because of it. And he seemed surprised he got boo’d at the draft. Dude is clueless.

  36. The “deflator” called himself that one time, Wells used the words dozens of times in his report. It’s literally all he had.
    If Brady hadn’t screamed at the ball guys for playing with way overinflated footballs in a previous game, JM probably wouldn’t have joked in that fashion.
    Never mind that the first thing they do with new footballs is deflate them before they work them over.
    I shouldn’t even bother, I could correct haters all day long and wouldn’t matter.

  37. Oh, for crying out loud, can we get onto Cincinnati?

    I do not condone what happened but this is dragging on and on and on.

  38. When this whole ball pressure thing is finally put to bed and the Patriots are making another deep run into the playoffs … the news media will start another headline grabbing smear campaign against the Patriots just like they did here.

    After the Ravens game, they tried to start controversy over the substitution technique that Belichick used. Eyebrows were sure raised. But it didn’t hold much water when the NFL confirmed that everything was done 100% within the rules.

    Then they tried to suggest that LeGarrette Blount intentionally got himself cut by the Steelers because he had a roster spot waiting for him on the Patriots. Except the jerk that started that smear campaign forgot that Blount had to clear waivers and that nearly every other NFL team would have first crack at him. (NE actually passed on him when it was their turn and later claimed him after he cleared waivers.) They ended up dropping that one pretty quick too.

    Hows’ that Pet Shop Boys song go?

    “… there’s a lot of opportunities if you know where to take them … there’s a lot of opportunities, if there aren’t YOU CAN MAKE THEM …”

    As long as the Patriots are good, there will be ongoing controversy/conspiracy theories that someone drums up in the name of ratings. That is what sells. Pretty sad.

  39. They should definitely uphold the 4 games. Its only fair to the rest of the league, i mean come on the patriots are too good. Maybe suspend belichek also, in fact why not give the rest of the league trophies. Seeing they are soooo scared of Brady and the Pats

  40. Enough with this “integrity of the game” crap. If 12.5-13.5 was truly critical to the integrity of the game, then officials would have also been punished.

    Check the post-game ball measurements from the AFCCG. One of the Patriots balls finished the game at 13.6. Given what we now know about ball deflation, that football must’ve been jacked up to 14.5 or higher to start the second half. Totally illegal…yet it goes unpunished. Don’t forget the Jets game where balls were found to be jacked as high as 16 PSI.

    This is not about the “integrity of the game” as it relates to air pressure in a football. Never has been. It’s been about what everything has been about since TMZ posted the video of Ray Rice punching his wife in the elevator – optics. If the masses are outraged, then Goodell does whatever he has to do to quiet them down, whether it makes any sense or not.

  41. I hate to break the mindset of the the Patriot fans, but something as minor as a traffic ticket…is an admission of guilt.

  42. “Ray Lewis wasn’t involved in a murder”. Ravens fans

    “Ben never raped any women”. Steelers Fans

    “What AP did was NOT child abuse”. Vikes fans

    “Tom Brady didn’t know about the deflated footballs”. Pats fans

    Pretty pathetic that fans are so consumed with their teams winning that they would never condemn their star players of being guilty even with overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

  43. Contract said “That has never happened in the entire history of mankind short of coercion. Innocent people do not plead guilty.”

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    Either you haven’t lived very long or you don’t read much, however, Brady is guilty.

  44. schmitty2 says:
    Jul 23, 2015 6:51 PM
    Pretty pathetic that fans are so consumed with their teams winning that they would never condemn their star players of being guilty even with overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Totally agree with above statement.

    You conclusion is obviously FALSE & CORRUPTED since the OVERWHELMING Evidence EXONERATES Brady and PROVES that Goodell & the NFL have committed Defamation & Slander against an innocent person = Brady.

    Goodell & the NFL has also committed the CRIME of Theft by Deception.

  45. Oh the ol, I got tons money and will pay if you eliminate my suspension. How sad. Doesn’t matter what amount he pays, the world knows your a cheater deflady.

  46. The thing is…they’ll never be able to pin a bounty gate infraction on any of the 31 other teams because players will be lining up to take out Brady for free. Especially down in N’Orleans.

  47. Spoiled brats with a false sense of entitlement ALWAYS want to buy their way out of trouble while failing to take responsibility for their actions.

  48. If Goodell wants to come out of this with respect from anyone there is a clear option.

    Even the jackasses that post Cheater blah blah… whenever the deflategate subject appears in Pro Football Talk, know that the Wells report is flawed. When there is contrary evidence, the testing firm Exponent, ignores it, in favor of assumptions favoring a tampering verdict or minimizes the evidence it or buries it in vague footnotes. The FACT is that the Wells report is a the kind of document a prosecutor would use as opposed to an INDEPENDENT study to determine if tampering occurred.

    The science is the Wells report has been debunked and questioned by numerous sources. More than one expert has said that the testing results cannot be replicated with the methods used in the report. If true, this doesn’t just make the report unreliable, it makes it fraudulent.

    The BEST solution to this mess is for Exponent/Wells to ADMIT that there were errors in their assumptions/methods which is clear.

    To suspend ANY player for a bogus report is CRIMINAL Exponent needs to come clean and answer to the critics. Exponent/Wells may not want to damage their reputations but just like Brady or any other NFL Player they MUST take responsibility for their actions.

    If Exponent refuses to come clean, an INDEPENDENT panel needs to review and report on the science in the Wells report and/or the NFL should take PSI readings for the 2015 season. either way Brady needs to have his suspension lifted until there is clear evidence of what if anything happened. In my opinion, the process has not only not only been flawed it has not been fair.

  49. It doesn’t matter, the people who think he’s guilty will always think he is. They will never read the report, never look at the facts, forget that Brady played better in the second half, never admit that the colts balls measured below 12.5 (and were never reinflated, so they played the whole second half below 12.5), never admit that Brady shredded the best defense in the league with balls held under the most scrutiny ever (forget those 4th quarter drives, Carroll lost them the game). Brady wants to play, paying a fine would allow him to get on with the season. Again, no matter what happens. The fans of all the teams he has a winning record against (31) will always think he’s guilty.

  50. Still waiting for the evidence …… Nothing in the texts , nothing anywheres…….

    Brady is innocent and the pats will go to the super bowl again

  51. whitetrash69 says:
    Jul 23, 2015 6:16 PM

    Sorry Tainted Tommy you don’t get to dictate, you don’t get to make a mockery of the NFL, you don’t get to insult fans by your arrogance, you don’t get to refuse to cooperate in investigations, and you don’t get to ruin the integrity of the NFL.
    ==================================
    The words you speak about a mockery apply to the perpetrators of this sham……the backstabbers like Harbaugh, Pagano and their friends Kensil, Gardi and the others in NFL operations….Let it go to court and see how bad the NFL looks in all of this!!! It will stink and smell and show what a sham the NFL is!! THAT my friend will ruin the integrity of the game a LOT MORE than this frame up ever will!!
    By the way where was your venom when Favre refused to cooperate with the NFL???? Do you even KNOW what is penalty was for non-cooperation??? A small fine…… Funny what hypocrisy there is about ALL of this!!

  52. “Brady offer to pay fine not an admission of guilt”

    So says his lawyers & PR team! LOL!!!

    Brady paying a fine when he is worth $120 Million, making $26.5 Million annually + his wife who is estimated to worth $345 Million, earning $128,000 a DAY would be like Bill Gates having to pick up the breakfast tab for his house staff on Christmas morning, with a skeleton crew. The ONLY thing that will lead him & the Patri-cheats to change their “bend the rules” mindsets is making him sit down for games.

  53. Any kind of payment by Brady will be viewed as guilty, regardless of ”the law.” It’s the image that will prevail and follow him the rest of his NFL
    career. There will always be that doubt.
    By the same accord, anything short of getting a fine out of Brady and/or cutting the suspension short of the previously announced 4 games will be viewed as ”we screwed up” by Goodell & Co., and it should cost him his job.
    It also would validate that the report was a joke. It’s the image that will prevail and follow him the rest of his NFL career.

  54. If I’m Brady, I pay the fine just to move on from this 6 month lunacy (over a barely 3.2% change in pressure).

    It’s not an admission of guilt to pay a fine for “not cooperating”, especially if it’s for refusing to turn over text messages that don’t exist; it’s called being realistic. This scenario would have been the easiest way for him to get everything he wanted, and it was guaranteed to work had the league accepted it.

  55. He offerred to pay a fine and not admit guilt, but rather say fine is for less than full cooperation with Wells.

    From what we can tell, they league was silent and provided no reply (i.e., no yes, no, or counter).

    Silence is not no – may signal league knows it has weak hand if it goes to court and is trying to figure out how to extricate themselves and keep everyone or almost everyone happy or happy enough to live with compromise (not likely)

  56. … and now, at the end of July, the Panthers and the Vikings finally found a way to heat their footballs without a heater AND away from Fox cameras!

    I’m pretty sure those balls were deflated and many people on the sidelines were “at least generally aware” of it…

  57. The Banks and Brady situations are totally different. Brady is not and will never go to prison for this. Fact is it is four football games not life imprisonment.He shouldn’t be offering to pay up any form of fine…..if he is innocent. Then again, Brady offering to pay a fine and Kraft not appealing. Speaks volumes doesn’t it.

  58. The whole “deflategate” drama is a bunch of nonsense anyway. If we were talking about Johnny Football having a couple balls underinflated by a pound, no one would even care because he plays for Cleveland. Seeing it is Tom Brady and he is one of the all time greats, whiners will complain.

    I’m not a Patriots fan by any means, but to be bitter about a player’s success is petty and whiny. I mean, really? Is a player being great such a thorn in the side of some fans that they actually hate someone they don’t even know? How pathetic is a persons life if they have to find bad in everything they have decided they do not like? Amazing how sorry some of you folks are.

  59. I’m going to lose respect for Brady if he accepts anything less than full exoneration by the League.

    Brady needs to go “all-in” and call Goodell’s bluff. Take it to court, and if Goodell still doesn’t blink, take it to trial.

  60. Come on! Spin it Pats fans. Brayd could fully admit everything and you’d all say he was lying about lying

  61. bigbits2 says:
    Jul 23, 2015 6:44 PM

    The “deflator” called himself that one time, Wells used the words dozens of times in his report. It’s literally all he had.
    If Brady hadn’t screamed at the ball guys for playing with way overinflated footballs in a previous game, JM probably wouldn’t have joked in that fashion.
    Never mind that the first thing they do with new footballs is deflate them before they work them over.
    I shouldn’t even bother, I could correct haters all day long and wouldn’t matter.
    ****
    But JM/JJ claimed that ‘Tom’ was a friend buying their game tickets. You mean that was Brady!? Wow! TY for the correction.
    JM works for espn now right? He said he was going there.

  62. Does anyone see just see what’s left of his integrity completely vanish? He says he took a moral stand on this issue. If that is the case, then the punishment shouldn’t matter to him. In fact he should offer to serve the games he got for that.

  63. I would accept the penalty if all you haters would just admit that your teams can’t beat the Patriots on the field, and that this is just a ploy to give them a chance. This is clear to anyone who actual read the Wells report.

  64. OK. He pays one-half of the cost of the investigation. The NFL PAYS the other half.
    And everyone promises to administer and follow the rules, which will now be tightened up as they should have been in the first place.

  65. You can buy off the Jastremski and McNally, you already have, but your money is no good here.

    Congrats, you are without a doubt the big weasel in the NFL.

    //Weasel.

  66. schmitty2 says:
    Jul 23, 2015 6:51 PM

    “Ray Lewis wasn’t involved in a murder”. Ravens fans

    “Ben never raped any women”. Steelers Fans

    “What AP did was NOT child abuse”. Vikes fans

    “Tom Brady didn’t know about the deflated footballs”. Pats fans

    Pretty pathetic that fans are so consumed with their teams winning that they would never condemn their star players of being guilty even with overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
    ****
    The difference is when it happens to other teams. Admission of wrong doing is taken and self discipline is dealt out on the spot. We all know that the pats have never done anything wrong ever.

  67. @ shlort says: Jul 23, 2015 7:48 PM

    The whole “deflategate” drama is a bunch of nonsense anyway. If we were talking about Johnny Football having a couple balls underinflated by a pound, no one would even care because he plays for Cleveland. Seeing it is Tom Brady and he is one of the all time greats, whiners will complain.
    _________________________________

    If “Johnny Football” (or most any QB other than perhaps the top 5-10 QBs) tried to pay team personnel to help cheat by altering game balls, he would be suspended indefinitely & likely NEVER play another NFL Football down. Brady will get a reprieve from being kicked out of the league (which he deserves). But, his name will forever more come up on any Google search reflecting “top Sports Cheaters”.

  68. I was sued for $1,000,000. I had full documentation and was ready to fight to the end. They came to me with a request to settle. They wanted $10,000. This was extortion but as my attorney advised me if I didn’t negotiate and write them a check I could write him one for $35,000 to start the depositions. I countered $7,500 in 3 payments which was accepted. I was not guilty and had proof of my innocence. My writing the check didn’t prove anything about guilt or innocence except our legal system sucks at times.

  69. Shlort, there are cranes on both sides who could really care less about this but love taking their jabs at other fans. For me, this is about another icon of a sport who felt he could break the rules, and call it, getting a competitive edge. When this doesn’t work, he totally denies any involvement when it is clear he is in it up to his neck. I am disappointed in him. I don’t hate him or the Pats.

  70. More than one expert has said that the testing results cannot be replicated with the methods used in the report. If true, this doesn’t just make the report unreliable, it makes it fraudulent.

    ****

    Actually, this was disproven by a Patriot fan, of all people. Turns out Exponent’s methods were repeatable, first time out of the chute. Science wins out in the end.

  71. Hilarious that a known cheater has so many brainwashed to believe that he is not guilty.

    Once a cheater, always a cheater, and the Pats and Brady are the definition when it comes to cheating the game.

  72. Lets PRETEND for one second that Brady is guilty as charged and is lying through his teeth and it is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

    Or let’s even say he makes a public statement admitting his guilt and apologizes to NFL nation.

    The penalty still should be what has been pre determined for ball alteration. $25,000.00 paid by the team.

  73. fearthehoody says:
    Jul 23, 2015 6:19 PM
    Funny how the same 3-4 people who are not Pats fans are always the first few to post on ANYTHING Patriots. Quite sad really if you think about it
    _______________________________________
    They live in a world enshrouded by hate and jealousy. They’re the type that doesn’t actually have a favorite team and can only try to focus their voracious hatred in a single direction.

    These are the type of people that kick puppies and club baby seals.

  74. Before everyone gets their panties in a bunch, let’s make sure this isn’t like the 11-12 balls were under inflated by 2 pounds.

  75. If they could just envision that the footballs were never below the legal limit…then their mind could set them free of the torture of jealousy.

  76. Dave, I think the fine was not limited to the amount money, other punishments could be imposed by the circumstances. But I do believe had Brady come clean, I think he would have gotten two games and a fine. And it would have been over.

  77. I’m sure Brady expected to pay a $50,000 fine (same as Favre) if he didn’t turn over his cell phone (and I think that was the right thing to do for him and his family). So I’m OK with that fine as long as the NFL states that the Wells Report was wrong when it concluded that Patriots’ employees and Brady in particular deflated footballs prior to the AFCCG, apologizes to Brady for impugning his integrity, calls for the reinstatement of Jastremski and McNally, and announces publicly that the $50,000 fine is routine for any player who refuses to turn over his personal cell phone and in no way implies guilt.

    Anything less … tell them to go pound sand!

  78. Put him on the commissioner’s exempt list while fighting the litigation…it’s amazing the lengths they go thru to show the patriots favortism….brady still is the only player I’ve seen to get a flag thrown for almost getting hit…smh

  79. butwhatabouttheintegrityofthegame says:
    Jul 23, 2015 6:35 PM

    I’m still unclear as to when the NFL had any of this so called “integrity”
    ****
    Before Kraft BB/TB got together. These fans have lost any concept of integrity. They use quotation marks to describe it.

  80. “This has caused many to question whether such an offer amounts to an admission of guilt by Brady.”

    I have worked in corporate conflict resolution for 25 years. Only an idiot would believe such an offer amounts to an admission of guilt by Brady.

    If Goodell has that offer in hand and doesn’t take it he’s an idiot because it would come with mutual releases and put this sordid affair to bed.

  81. People and entities of means part with money to make problems go away and obtain closure on a regular basis. That’s one of the benefits of having lots of money.

  82. I have lived a long life and noticed that when some one calls another person a “cheater” it usually is said to make the person making the accusation feel better about themselves. It may be very personal and used to explain away a loss or an infidelity by a lover. When directed at third parties that one has no direct relations with it usually is said to make the accuser feel morally superior. I learned never to use the word because of what it would reveal about myself.

  83. Roger has locked up one thing for sure:
    Whether Brady plays or not the ratings for that Thursday night opener will be through the roof.
    And first time Brady gets interviewed will be very entertaing too.
    Wonder who will get the interview and whether they throw Tom softballs or have him squirming.

  84. Cheating: Doing what is not allowed or illegal in order to win or get a high grade. Prime Examples: Richard Nixon, Lance Armstrong, Tom Brady and the NE Patriots

    4 GAMES should be more for not cooperating.

  85. “Sure, but plenty of people will think Brady is guilty even if Commissioner Roger Goodell declares that the Wells investigation was the product of incompetence, vacates the suspension, and apologizes to Brady for the inconvenience.”
    ==================================

    Well said.

    And if that doesn’t happen then we are truly watching “GoodellGate” which itself could and should turn into the NFL’s version of the Chicago Black Sox scandal

    Goodell started this charade that started with a failed NFL sting and purposeful leaking of false information to drive the fanbase and media into a feeding frenzy

    If he doesn’t end it now then we KNOW that the COMMISSIONER HIMSELF has tarnished the shield and represents a threat to the integrity of the game

    It’s ridiculous that there is this much buzz about an incompetent $5 million report that offered no hard evidence, but instead relies upon Ted Well’s dubious and warped opinion that Brady “was generally aware” of something that “more probable than not” to have happened

  86. Better take the offer, Roger. You really don’t want to go to court against a lawyer that doesn’t lose and a QB that rarely loses.

    Brady has already beaten all 31 teams in the league. Do you want him beating it’s commish as well?

    #freebrady

  87. .
    @limakeys

    ” I don’t hate him (Brady) or the Patriots ”

    But you have spent countless hours over a period of three months badmouthing them. It’s funny I never see you posting on any other threads . You only post anti Brady comments on Patriots threads.
    .

  88. It is stunning to read the opinions of people that don’t like the Pats. Facts and common sense have no place in your arguments. Some of you are likely just stirring the pot but it’s almost inconceivable that there are this many stupid people that can read and type.

  89. patsstinkoftaint says:
    Jul 23, 2015 8:23 PM
    More than one expert has said that the testing results cannot be replicated with the methods used in the report. If true, this doesn’t just make the report unreliable, it makes it fraudulent.

    ****

    Actually, this was disproven by a Patriot fan, of all people. Turns out Exponent’s methods were repeatable, first time out of the chute. Science wins out in the end.

    ++++++++++++++++

    There was a pats fan that agreed with the methods used by Exponent, you are correct BUT there are other that do not.

    Here is nugget from Stephen McIntyre who has recently reported on his findings. BTW, McIntyre is not a patriots fan he is a Canadian who does a lot of statistical analysis as a consultant. he was also offered but refused a graduate scholarship, in mathematical economics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology

    “It is therefore possible to unequivocally say that the “Game Day measurements could be
    explained by physical or environmental factors”, contradicting the key technical finding of the
    Wells Report. The corollary is that the Wells Report provides no technical basis for concluding
    that the Patriot balls had even been out of compliance with NFL regulations during the AFC
    Championship. ”

    You are right science does win in the end and it is true whether you believe it or not.

  90. Limakey – you just make it up as you go don’t you. On what basis do you believe if Brady “came clean” the fine and suspension would be less severe? Since when does admission of guilt become a factor in punishment?

    Whether you believe Brady or not, it is clear that every bit of information was used to paint Brady in the most negative light possible. . Are you suggesting that Godell believes the Wells report is the absolute truth and that his punishment was more severe because he didn’t get an admission ? Or are you saying that the wells report wouldn’t have been so slanted had Brady given an admission?

    Do you really want the league to have the ability to levy massive fines and suspensions on players they “think” violated a rule, if the player does not confess to their liking in addition to turning over their personal property?

  91. weepingjebus says:
    Jul 23, 2015 8:47 PM
    Probably just another league leak/lie anyway.

    ****

    Actually, this one came from the union.

    Unless you would have us believe that George Atallah used to work for the Jets too, LMAO. Is the players’ union in on the massive conspiracy now too?

    #delusions

    #phantomlawsuit

    #payupandmoveon

  92. letmefeelyourlove says:
    Jul 23, 2015 8:39 PM

    …. So I’m OK with that fine as long as the NFL states that the Wells Report was wrong when it concluded that Patriots’ employees and Brady in particular deflated footballs prior to the AFCCG, apologizes to Brady for impugning his integrity, calls for the reinstatement of Jastremski and McNally, and announces publicly that the $50,000 fine is routine for any player who refuses to turn over his personal cell phone and in no way implies guilt.

    Anything less … tell them to go pound sand!

    ****

    LMAO, your boy is preparing to fold like a dinner napkin, as predicted, and you’re STILL trying to dictate terms.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  93. TWO CLUELESS PEAS IN THE SAME CLUELESS POD

    schmitty2 (clueless pea #1) says:
    Jul 23, 2015 6:51 PM
    “Ray Lewis wasn’t involved in a murder”. Ravens fans

    “Ben never raped any women”. Steelers Fans

    “What AP did was NOT child abuse”. Vikes fans

    “Tom Brady didn’t know about the deflated footballs”. Pats fans

    Pretty pathetic that fans are so consumed with their teams winning that they would never condemn their star players of being guilty even with overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
    ——————————————-

    Guess who else said Ben never “raped”? The District Attorney and the chief forensics investigator in the case. The “overwhelming evidence” wasn’t “to the contrary” chief. What’s “pathetic” is like so many other clueless fools, you spew out your slander without looking into the facts. So sorry, your “pathetic consumed fans” thing doesn’t apply here.

    Schmitty — gee, what word does that rhyme with? The one that describes the pure fecal matter of your mind.

    ————————————————–
    churchofthehoody (clueless pea #1) says:
    Jul 23, 2015 6:16 PM
    Soo much butthurt…

    Get it out of your systems kidz, football is still a ways away
    ——————————————–

    You know that Mendenhall charge-card tale turned out to be a load of bunk, right? So why haven’t you owned up for your anti-Ben remarks based on false information. Tsk tsk, where did manhood go in America?

  94. If Brady accepts any offer except exoneration, I’d be disappointed. This has to do with his integrity. But it also has to do with Goodell’s lack of integrity. Brady might say its not an admission of guilt. But if there is no guilt, then go to court. I know it sounds like I am telling him to spend his money and I am. But what good is getting freed up to play additional games when even your own fans no longer trust you whether partially or fully.
    Don’t do it Tom.

  95. Check out what:

    tigerlilac says:
    at Jul 23, 2015 8:47 PM

    He nailed it.

    When I was a kid in the 80’s, if you called somebody a cheater, particularly with little to no proof … you were most likely taken behind the wood shed for a tune up.

    Remember the 21 Jump Street movie and how when they guys went back to high school, they were amazed at how kids turned into … the other name for cats? This is what we have here folks.

  96. This NFL Keystone Kops movie keeps getting better and better

    A handful of NFL owners have basically made Goodell their puppet, and they’re worried about Goodell “losing credibility” over this farce of an episode

    That lost credibility might have something to do with the fact that everyone knows Goodell is their puppet, following orders to suspend Brady to give others in the League a chance to win a Super Bowl

    Isn’t it ironic that Goodell – who has postured indignantly righteous on the issue of 0.5psi in footballs is now working with the owners to provide them with an unfair competitive advantage by suspending Brady and taking away a Patriots’ 1st round pick?

    This is #GoodellGate folks. Get your popcorn ready.

  97. The only people who think Brady should be suspended are those who would benefit from his absence. In other words, fans of teams that have difficulty beating the Patriots on the playing field.

    The fact is – the Patriots footballs were not abnormally under inflated. You can’t be guilty of a crime that never occurred.

  98. Wow, the haters have come out in full force. I haven’t seen one sentence regarding what the proposal was. There are a lot of assumptions that Bradyis caving, don’t be so sure it didn’t read: “I will agree to pay a $25,000 fine on the level of Brett Favre for not cooperating at the degree you believe I should have, but I won’t accept any guilt on a bogus report or serve any games.”- yours truly, The GOAT

  99. jaxon51 says:
    Jul 23, 2015 8:50 PM
    Roger has locked up one thing for sure:
    Whether Brady plays or not the ratings for that Thursday night opener will be through the roof.
    And first time Brady gets interviewed will be very entertaing too.
    Wonder who will get the interview and whether they throw Tom softballs or have him squirming.
    ————————–
    Brady is a good student, don’t be surprised if he stands up at the podium and pulls a Marshawn Lynch

  100. So lets sum this up:

    Bob Kraft accepted losing
    First & Fourth round picks (Side note Brady was a 6th)
    One Million Dollars
    Being Forever stained

    Tom Brady accepts
    Being Fined
    Being Forever Stained

    All without evidence…..

    That’s why we call you delusional Pats Fans

  101. Mentioning Banks in this story is a little odd/misplaced logic.

    He was not from a wealthy background and couldn’t afford really good legal advice. Therefore, he got bad advice and an unjust outcome. Happens in America every other hour.

    Tom Brady can afford anything he wants, therefore can fight until he gets what he wants. Goodell doesn’t want this to go before a judge. His track record is not very good when that happens.

    The only thing that is comparable: The Wells report has a lot of errors in it, just like Banks’ accuser’s story did.

  102. The public image is tarnished regardless because people want it to be. Facts and logic either doesn’t occur or doesn’t matter to Patriots Haters, they’ve demonstrated that for a good 8 years now. Fortunately, the one court that doesn’t matter one bit is the court of public opinion.

  103. Still amazed that doing something that was, and still is for that matter, legal…from the wrong spot…once, and they admitted and ceased and desisted after Roger and his ilk pitched a hissy fit, levied the largest punishment in history (merely weeks after the Jets (admittedly) did the same exact thing = serial cheaters, worst organization ever, ban them all, my team never bent the rules, yadda yadda yadda, somehow carries over to Tom Brady. Never mind the lack of explicit orders, irrelevant texts months before the season even started (and strangely enough, nothing that supposedly damning during the season) the lack of proof, lack of proven, peer reviewed scientific data (that passes the dummy test) that anything actually occurred…I mean 3-4 colts balls were under expected IGL psi when they stopped counting….but you know facts and reading are hard.

  104. tiger, you may have worked all those years in corporate conflict resolutions, but I doubt a lot if you were directly involved. Further, many more intelligent than idiots will believe as you dislike them to believe.

  105. The combined income of Tom and his Supermodel wife…yeah, who wouldn’t say how much to end this stupidity?

    It’s not an admission of guilt, this is one of the dumbest things the league has ever created. Brady just wants it to be over. You can’t argue with people who refuse to accept logic. Roger is too deep on this one to admit he didn’t have all of the facts.

    The only people who care about this now are year round team jersey wearing guy and HS kids yet to hangout with girls.

  106. ocgunslinger says:
    Jul 23, 2015 8:15 PM

    I was sued for $1,000,000. I had full documentation and was ready to fight to the end. They came to me with a request to settle. They wanted $10,000. This was extortion but as my attorney advised me if I didn’t negotiate and write them a check I could write him one for $35,000 to start the depositions. I countered $7,500 in 3 payments which was accepted. I was not guilty and had proof of my innocence. My writing the check didn’t prove anything about guilt or innocence except our legal system sucks at times.

    yeah, your a liar. just like your quarterback

  107. I’m sad this article is necessary. I’m sad Florio had to spell this out with the headline chosen. I’m sad I love a sport with a fan base of people that need this clarified for them. If you really think a settlement offer equates to admission then there really is no help for you, except maybe a few GED classes.

  108. There you go Patstericks fans. We accept your apology. You all must feel like a donkey right about now. Your hero is a cheater. Time to toss your Brady underoos in the garbage.

  109. Brady could ruin this league single handed if he is pushed far enough. This is way over fair of a deal since he is guilty of ZERO, ZIP, NADA.

  110. diehardgiantsfan says:

    Brady’s not even a good player
    ———————————————————
    You should actually watch him play a game sometime 😉

  111. If the NFL was so confident in their position going forward (as many have claimed here) why haven’t they rejected the offer and issued a decision on the appeal?

    Their hesitancy to do so is an indicator that they are unsure of their position.

  112. Whooooo cares anymore……all this does is mess up when you draft Brady in your fantasy draft. It won’t even scuff his HOF entrance and I hate the pats. Anyone body talking about Favres indecent exposure? Move on….

  113. It boggles the rational mind that Patriots fans have engaged in enough group think and pretzel logic to convince themselves that this is all some sort of conspiracy by “jealous owners” and “Jets fans at NFL headquarters” and that anyone who doesn’t believe in Tom’s purity is a “hater.” Researchers at one of the many institutions of higher learning in Boston should delve into this mass-induced psychosis.

  114. dumbaseinstien says:
    Jul 23, 2015 8:15 PM
    @ shlort says: Jul 23, 2015 7:48 PM

    The whole “deflategate” drama is a bunch of nonsense anyway. If we were talking about Johnny Football having a couple balls underinflated by a pound, no one would even care because he plays for Cleveland. Seeing it is Tom Brady and he is one of the all time greats, whiners will complain.
    _________________________________

    If “Johnny Football” (or most any QB other than perhaps the top 5-10 QBs) tried to pay team personnel to help cheat by altering game balls, he would be suspended indefinitely & likely NEVER play another NFL Football down. Brady will get a reprieve from being kicked out of the league (which he deserves). But, his name will forever more come up on any Google search reflecting “top Sports Cheaters”.

    —-WAIT BRADY PAID OFF TEAM PERSONNEL?!?!? Where did you read that? Oh yeah, no where. And the deflator comment was made the YEAR before. Seriously there is so much hatred and blindness for a great QB. It’s really comical

  115. I love how this plays out. Goodell stalls for weeks. Says he is willing to listen to negotiation. Brady wants exoneration, but is willing to pay fine for not sharing phone.

    And he gets this kind of treatment.

    Sorry guys, but if he agrees to pay a fine for not sharing the phone, that doesn’t mean he cheated. But I expect Brady would only do such a thing if the NFL made a statement clearing him of all charges.

    Of course there are people here who are still convinced he cheated. Even though there’s no evidence of cheating. And even if the NFL, the only party that says he cheated, announces that they got it wrong, these haters would still say he cheated.

    Why? Who know? Their only source for the story would have reversed itself, but they would be clinging to the accusation anyway.

    Brady should go to court, sue to have the penalties removed and sue for defamation. And then he should go on a media offensive. The NFL has been lobbing grenades at him through the media for 6 months. Why shouldn’t he fight back?

  116. “Put him on the commissioner’s exempt list while fighting the litigation…”

    A player has to consent to being placed on the exempt list.

    Sorry, but Goodell isn’t King of the NFL. There are rules.

  117. “limakey says:
    Jul 23, 2015 8:38 PM
    Dave, I think the fine was not limited to the amount money, other punishments could be imposed by the circumstances. But I do believe had Brady come clean, I think he would have gotten two games and a fine. And it would have been over.”

    The problem is that you equate “come clean” with “confess to breaking the rules”. If you’d read the various scientific reports on this issue, you would know by now that nobody tampered with the footballs.

    I’m pretty sure we’ve told you that hundreds of times. Why do you insist on ignoring the scientific analysis?

  118. glen907 says:
    Jul 23, 2015 8:40 PM

    Put him on the commissioner’s exempt list while fighting the litigation…it’s amazing the lengths they go thru to show the patriots favortism….brady still is the only player I’ve seen to get a flag thrown for almost getting hit…smh

    —————-

    Here’s the lengths they have gone to:

    1 million dollar fine issued to the Patriots
    Docked first round draft pick
    Docked fourth round draft pick
    Brady suspended 4 games.

    Then Goodell and the other owners strong armed Kraft to make sure he didn’t fight the punishment to the team. He basically could lose the team if he fought it any further than he did as there is a provision in the owners agreements that prevents them from suing the league.

    If that is what you call favoritism I wonder what you think being tough on the Patriots would look like.

  119. ‘patsstinkoftaint says:
    Jul 23, 2015 8:23 PM
    More than one expert has said that the testing results cannot be replicated with the methods used in the report. If true, this doesn’t just make the report unreliable, it makes it fraudulent.

    ****

    Actually, this was disproven by a Patriot fan, of all people. Turns out Exponent’s methods were repeatable, first time out of the chute. Science wins out in the end.

    Actually not. The AEI experts said that they could replicate the numbers if they used settings other than what Exponent said the settings should be. The biostatistician also said he could replicate the results. He said he did so with his “default settinngs” but it’s unclear what the default settings were.

    Regardless, the results of the AEI report don’t rely one what settings were used to get the numbers that Exponent had. The main result is that the numbers seen are consistent with the Pats balls being tested early in halftime while the Colts’ balls were tested much later.

    Everybody who knows anything about physics has made the same argument. And this theory is consistent with the fact that the Pats balls gained air pressure in the 2nd half while the Colts balls lost air pressure during the same period. That could only happen if the half-time testing had happened under different conditions.

    You are seizing upon one guy who tells you what you want to hear. That’s not how science works. You have to reconcile the different statements by the different people. And you really have to make the effort to understand exactly what they are saying.

  120. alfredogarciashead says:
    Jul 23, 2015 8:40 PM

    Really doesn’t matter as everyone except the sycophant Pats fans know he cheated. Just like they always have. Tarnished legacy stands!

    —————-

    Actually they don’t know he cheated.

  121. “Tom Brady didn’t know about the deflated footballs”. Pats fans.

    No, Pats fans are saying nobody deflated anything.

    Get a clue. We’ve been saying this since the NFL stopped lying about the values that were measured at halftime.

  122. The NFL is sooooo much bigger than Tom Brady. There is no way in hell the NFL should cave on this. He deserves the suspension. Every NFL player can afford to pay a “fine,” but not admit guilt.

    He deserves what he gets. The guy cheated. Period. Suck it up buttercup.

  123. conormacleod says:
    Jul 23, 2015 6:08 PM

    Ridiculous. Then the richest of players wi me we have to cooperate. They can nearly pay their way out of everything.

    Suspend him 8 games for not cooperating.

    ————–

    Preposterous! Suspend him 16 games for looking so good and winning so much. Maybe 16 more for having a super model wife! How dare he be so successful.

  124. limakey says:
    Jul 23, 2015 8:38 PM

    Dave, I think the fine was not limited to the amount money, other punishments could be imposed by the circumstances. But I do believe had Brady come clean, I think he would have gotten two games and a fine. And it would have been over.

    ————–

    What if he didn’t do it? How could he come clean?

  125. fearthehoody says:
    Jul 23, 2015 6:19 PM
    Funny how the same 3-4 people who are not Pats fans are always the first few to post on ANYTHING Patriots. Quite sad really if you think about it
    —————–

    And yet any and all posts about any and all other teams are hijacked by Pats fans desperately trying to find a conspiracy against a team many believe has been the apple of the NFL’s collective eye for years. Might wanna ease back on that angle.

    You want facts? Here’s a fact: the moment the balls were called into question, Brady shoulda just said what half the league has said since this all started: “Of course. I like the ball a certain way, like any other QB does. If the NFL suddenly has a problem with it, I’ll personally make sure we live and play by the rules. Next question…”

    Done. Woulda been done. Forgotten. Look to him not just admitting it and moving on as the reason for this whole mess – and save the conspiracy talk for worthy matters… Like how Roger Goodell is paid 40mil a year to me the voice of the league while simultaneously being propped up as some impartial judge.

    Tom Brady not admitting this has meant guilt since day 1 to anyone not a Pats fan – because indignance in the face of such an allegedly small thing is always gonna look bad. Bed is made.

  126. schmitty2 says:
    Jul 23, 2015 6:51 PM

    “Ray Lewis wasn’t involved in a murder”. Ravens fans

    “Ben never raped any women”. Steelers Fans

    “What AP did was NOT child abuse”. Vikes fans

    “Tom Brady didn’t know about the deflated footballs”. Pats fans

    Pretty pathetic that fans are so consumed with their teams winning that they would never condemn their star players of being guilty even with overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

    ———————–

    If you read this it’s pretty easy to realize that deflated footballs isn’t in the same category as the other issues.

  127. patswinagain says:
    Jul 23, 2015 8:37 PM
    If they could just envision that the footballs were never below the legal limit…then their mind could set them free of the torture of jealousy
    ________________________________________

    if that were true Brady would have released his texts long ago and put this matter to rest. instead, he has chosen the cowards way out

  128. danm1978 says:
    Jul 23, 2015 7:47 PM

    The Banks and Brady situations are totally different. Brady is not and will never go to prison for this. Fact is it is four football games not life imprisonment.He shouldn’t be offering to pay up any form of fine…..if he is innocent. Then again, Brady offering to pay a fine and Kraft not appealing. Speaks volumes doesn’t it.

    —————

    No it doesn’t. Kraft had no choice. All he could do is appeal to Goodell who would have rejected it. He can’t sue the league. Brady has more legal options. Obviously Brady would want to have the fine be for non-cooperation and be exonerated of any cheating offense. Why go to court to risk a worse outcome if he is offered a way to stay on the field.

  129. qdog112 says:
    Jul 23, 2015 6:12 PM

    They can call it what they want, but it is an admission of guilt. FULL STOP.

    —————

    You don’t even know what the fine is for.

  130. limakey says:
    Jul 23, 2015 8:17 PM

    Shlort, there are cranes on both sides who could really care less about this but love taking their jabs at other fans. For me, this is about another icon of a sport who felt he could break the rules, and call it, getting a competitive edge. When this doesn’t work, he totally denies any involvement when it is clear he is in it up to his neck. I am disappointed in him. I don’t hate him or the Pats.

    ——————–

    How is it clear he is in it up to his neck?

  131. Some of us really need to find a hobby. I’m a Pats fan, so I look here for news pertaining my teams Qb situation. I notice the same people from other fan bases continually posting and find it rather sad. If this were any other teams qb and he was accused of deflating balls to .40 below psi, or not even at all. I would not pay attention to it at all. Some of you calling for an 8 game suspension are ridiculous. So what he didn’t give up his phone, neither did other players or even players involved in this investigation. This is a simple rules violation pertaining to equipment. It’s a min 25k fine. I sense major jealousy. This is the only thing that can explain why your life is geared around a player that you hate so much that doesn’t directly impact your team. Maybe most of your are unemployed women who have nothing else to do with your time and look for drama.

  132. The offer has been compared (quite accurately) to a child trying to negotiate his punishment after being grounded.

  133. Given how many of the commenters in here formulate their opinions I would be afraid to go to trial even if I had strong case. If I had a weak case I would take my chances with a jury made up of the typical PFT commenters. I’m not sure who would make a worse juror. The Brady/Patriot fans with their blind allegiance or the fans of other teams that are clueless about the basic laws of science when it comes to temperatures affecting the air pressure?

  134. The nice thing about the court of public opinion is that the sentence is short. Once something else comes along to talk about you are set free.

  135. The NFL started a campaign of lies and innuendo from day 1 of this fabricated story.

    On the playground a few decades ago, the only kids who would yell ‘cheater’ were the kids with no athletic ability, but who had some degree of confidence anyway thanks to mommy.
    Get beat in a foot race? “Cheater!”
    Last one up the jungle gym? “Cheaters!”

    The NFL and you message board geeks remind me of those kids on the playground.

  136. patsstinkoftaint says:
    Jul 23, 2015 6:20 PM
    There you have it, folks….. They’re already trying to squirm out of it.
    And yes, it absolutely WOULD be an admission of guilt.
    =======
    Nothing, not even a video of the footballs sitting in a bag not being deflated for the entire duration of McNally’s possession of them would make you and your ilk admit that Brady is not guilty. To you and yours he was guilty well before this past January. So honestly, who cares what close-minded people think?

  137. If the NFL felt they had a slam dunk on this until the end, they would have answered the union’s offer last week with a resounding NO and issued the appeal decision.

    They haven’t.

    If the NFL felt it is more probable than not they would win throughout, they would have made a counter offer. It doesn’t appear they have, since that news would surely have been leaked too.

    It seems that the NFL is trying to figure out its next move, and so far haven’t come up with anything good enough to make a play with.

  138. What’s amazing is Ray Lewis is GUILTY of obstructing a double homicide by not turning over his bloody suit and gets no suspension. Then he gets a statue built for him at the stadium. Brady who did NOTHING wrong and the NFL spends 5 mil to find something on him and could only come up with “he may have known” something was done with a football that had nothing to do with winning or losing a game. This is today’s NFL.

  139. Just another leak from the NFL trying to make the Pat/Brady look bad. Go to court Tom and open all the communications between Goodell, Kensil, Vincent and the colts. Then you’ll find out the real story. When they only test 4 balls of the Colts and find 3 underinflated then stop, that tells it all where the league is coming from.

  140. Comparing the decision of risking a four game suspension because you’re innocent to risking life in prison, especially when the latter was a kid with no money, is more than a stretch.

    The real translation is “yes, I cheated, and yes you have the evidence, but I’m Tom Brady and the rules don’t apply to me.”

    And for Pats fans complaining about others coming to comment, ROFLMAO. Again, like Brady, the idea that you should be treated differently.

    Read some Russell Wilson threads…

  141. Get beat in a foot race? “Cheater!”
    =======

    Except, Brady took off when he said “on your mark”.

    A little history…

    THE PATS HAVE BEEN CAUGHT BEFORE. THEY ARE SERIAL CHEATERS.

    Carry on.

  142. All the people that refuse the factual evidence and choose to condemn someone based on jealousy, hate and to please others should be given a one way ticket to North Korea, starting with Goodell.

    FrameGate = BrainDeflation

  143. diehardgiantsfan says:
    Jul 23, 2015 6:40 PM
    I’ve never heard a player try to control the outcome of punishment. Brady’s not even a good player. Imagine if this was one of the future Hall of Famers that don’t play on a team where Coach/GM demands all players cheat every week to beat the garbage Jags. If I was the Commissioner then I double down for this tactic of players demanding their own outcomes alone. Every other player that too, and most are way better than Brady.

    ____________________________________

    Someone get this guy the medical help he so desperately needs.

  144. I didn’t think my opinion of Brady as a professional could grow but it has through this process. To endure what he has endured, by a profession he has given so much to, is an example to all of us.

    Now, he has handed Goodell a way out of the cluster you know what that he and a group of jealous owners created.

    Can Goodell and the owners actually be too pig headed to accept it? We are about to find out.

  145. tigerlilac says:
    Jul 24, 2015 9:19 AM

    Lets put ALL biasness aside. I dont care if its some obscure lineman or the biggest name in the sport. No player should be able to not cooperate with the league. He is an EMPLOYEE of the NFL and should cooperate fully, if he doesnt want to then find another employer. If my employer thought i was doing something wrong and i refused to cooperate then i would be let go. Now Brady wants to state the punishment he thinks he deserves???? Since when do players EVER get to state the punishment they want? Never in the history has a player stated the punishment they want. They may appeal and it gets lowered, but thats up to the commish, the player never suggests what the punishment should be. Brady was so worried about setting a ‘precedent’ when giving up his phone but he is setting a MUCH worse one now. I cant wait for a woman beater to get in trouble, refuse to cooperate, then tell the commissioner he will only pay a fine. The fact is brady should appeal for NO PUNISHMENT, not make a deal. Thats not how the employer/employee relationship should work. This is getting out of hand.

  146. Stew48, I am the one guy who can actually be traced by my moniker. I am who I say I am.

    You might not agree with my opinions , and I am not so arrogant to think I am always right, but I speak from experience.

    If Goodell doesn’t accept Brady’s offer this isn’t about the integrity of the game it’s about a group of owners trying to hurt Brady, Belichick, Kraft and the Patriots organization. And their motives have nothing to do with psi.

  147. LOL. Goodell is in the Captain’s Chair. You don’t dictate terms to the Commissioner.

  148. tigerlilac says:
    Jul 24, 2015 9:29 AM

    I like how u think this is about other owners controlling Goodell. Only 3 owners in the NFL have power over what Goodell’s salary is………one of those is Kraft. If Goodell is working for ANY owner its Kraft- who by the way felt he is so good at handling punishments he gave him $44mil/yr- so why all the sudden does kraft think his punishments are unfair? Funny how that works. You cant back every decision a guy makes for 10 yrs and then when he is forced to punish you say he is unfair. If a player refuses to cooperate then fine, but expect the maximum penalty and let it go to court. If you cooperate then a fair punishment can be made.

  149. whispersd says:
    Jul 23, 2015 11:26 PM
    You are seizing upon one guy who tells you what you want to hear. That’s not how science works.

    sully25ah says:
    Jul 24, 2015 7:18 AM
    patsstinkoftaint says:
    Jul 23, 2015 6:20 PM
    There you have it, folks….. They’re already trying to squirm out of it.
    And yes, it absolutely WOULD be an admission of guilt.
    =======
    Nothing, not even a video of the footballs sitting in a bag not being deflated for the entire duration of McNally’s possession of them would make you and your ilk admit that Brady is not guilty. To you and yours he was guilty well before this past January. So honestly, who cares what close-minded people think?

    ****

    The funny thing is, this is what most people think about you Patriot fans, only reading/hearing what you want to hear and believing Brady is guiltless in spite of any evidence. You believe ridiculous excuses like “deflator” means weight loss, cause it fits your narrative. You guys post on every thread like rabid dogs frothing at the mouth to attack anyone who doesn’t think exactly like you.

    #hypocrisy

  150. letsgobuffalo4, I have posted that, to his discredit, Kraft not only supported Goodell he pushed for him to be commissioner. He also was one of the owner’s that worked to keep the CBA so one-sided. On the other hand, unlike most owners, he was instrumental in ending the lockout (while grieving his wife’s death) and hugged by Jeff Saturday.

    I do find it odd that fans believe Brady should pay for the mistakes of his owner. Brady is being targeted by Goodell, Goodell’s staff, and several owners according to reports from PFT. He is being railroaded. It appears that some owners are sick and tired of seeing the Patriots in the super bowl and the best way to prevent it is to suspend their quarterback and take away draft picks.

    Brady isn’t responsible for any of the past charges against the Patriots and deflategate is a sham.

  151. letsgobuffalo4, I read your post on Brady not cooperating. You need to take a class in labor relations. Your understanding of Brady’s rights and responsibilities as a player has no basis in law.

    Brady has a right to legal redress if the NFL violates the law.

  152. patsstinkoftaint says:
    Jul 24, 2015 10:24 AM
    The funny thing is, this is what most people think about you Patriot fans, only reading/hearing what you want to hear and believing Brady is guiltless in spite of any evidence. You believe ridiculous excuses like “deflator” means weight loss, cause it fits your narrative. You guys post on every thread like rabid dogs frothing at the mouth to attack anyone who doesn’t think exactly like you.
    =======
    I would believe Brady guilty if you could provide real evidence. I would not believe anyone guilty with a few text messages taken out of context. It is also hard to dismiss the following out of hand either:

    1. No pre-game measurements – so best recollection taken
    2. No certainty of gauge used – 1 gauge shows no tampering. 1 – gauge shows potential tampering. Best recollection disregarded.
    3. Small sampling of Colts footballs tested after allowing to warm also indicated psi fluctuations. No care was taken to make sure that both sets of footballs were measured under the same circumstances.
    4. Post game measurements indicated that even the referees couldn’t follow procedure as they were instructed to fill the Patriots footballs to 13.0 psi at halftime and post game measurements show they were well over 13.0.
    5. Refusal to give up cell phone – Steve G did as well in the same investigation and that didn’t matter. Favre didn’t either. I am not sure I know of an instance (not saying there isn’t one) where a player gave up their personal cell phone. Perhaps that is union policy. I don’t know, I am not in the union.

    Now I would like a little more solid evidence before I railroad someone’s career.

    That being said, if accurate accounting measurements were taken this season – so that at least some real understanding of the process were gathered, and that data suggests that there had to be tampering because in similar conditions no changes occurred, then absolutely I am on board. He is a cheater. Why is so hard to conduct such a test before making the final ruling.

  153. 33bennygh says:
    Jul 24, 2015 8:34 AM

    So does Goodell alienate 31 teams fan bases or 1?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    This is the Judgment handed down by God upon Goodell & the NFL.

    Choose whom you will serve = Truth/Integrity or Money/Self Preservation

    The Answer has already been demonstrated & documented = Goodell, Well$ & the NFL has chosen, of their own volition, to dishonor themselves for the Love of Money & the Love of a Corrupt SELF IMAGE.

  154. patsstinkoftaint says:
    Jul 24, 2015 10:24 AM
    You believe ridiculous excuses like “deflator” means weight loss, cause it fits your narrative. You guys post on every thread like rabid dogs frothing at the mouth to attack anyone who doesn’t think exactly like you.
    =========
    Deflator remark. I don’t say it really means weight loss, but if you actually did some research you would see that it is indeed used as a term in weight loss. So you can say that you don’t believe it means weight loss, but you can’t say that it is never used as a term by people who are trying to lose weight. Have I ever heard it used? No. Does that mean it isn’t used? No.

    Sure I come on the threads and say my piece. So do you. Do you think you come across as well-reasoned and unbiased? News flash – you don’t. You can say that everyone feels as you do, but I read these forums too and it is really only a small handful of posters that are outright just spiteful and trash talking. That is the same on both sides of the argument.

    I don’t believe making stuff up and passing it off as fact is a good argument. And I hate the kiss the rings responses. I highly doubt anyone posting on these forums had anything to do with acquiring those rings. You know we just “watched” it happen. Doesn’t take much skill to watch it happen. On anybody’s part.

  155. patsstinkoftaint says:
    Jul 24, 2015 10:24 AM
    The funny thing is, this is what most people think about you Patriot fans, only reading/hearing what you want to hear and believing Brady is guiltless in spite of any evidence.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Funny thing – Goodell, Well$ & the NFL have only provided EVIDENCE that points the finger back at them.
    Of course they can’t see it along with the haters as they are blinded by jealousy & hate.

    The US Judge will see the same EVIDENCE that the World watched on National TV.

    NFL Approved Rule 17 footballs in the hand of Brady & the Patriots = PATRIOTS 45 – Colts 7

    NFL Approved Rule 17 footballs in the hands of Brady & the Patriots = PATRIOTS 28 – Seahawks 24

    Text messages from the ‘Deflator’ in May as well as Text Messagesfrom Brady saying “DEFLATE the footballs to Rule 17 13.0 psi and no lower then 12.5 psi”.

    The ERROR of the Well$ conclusion provided by, ironically, the Well$ Report itself.

    These are the FACTUAL EVIDENCE that is viewable to the World and any with a brain that works accrding to the Laws that govern Truth, Justice, Logic, Knowledge & Understanding.

  156. solo681 says:
    Jul 24, 2015 11:11 AM
    33bennygh says:
    Jul 24, 2015 8:34 AM

    So does Goodell alienate 31 teams fan bases or 1?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    This is the Judgment handed down by God upon Goodell & the NFL.

    Choose whom you will serve = Truth/Integrity or Money/Self Preservation

    The Answer has already been demonstrated & documented = Goodell, Well$ & the NFL has chosen, of their own volition, to dishonor themselves for the Love of Money & the Love of a Corrupt SELF IMAGE
    —————————–

    Deep Breath……..

    Patri*ts fans are delusional

    Best Regards

  157. Stew48, I am the one guy who can actually be traced by my moniker. I am who I say I am.

    You might not agree with my opinions , and I am not so arrogant to think I am always right, but I speak from experience.

    If Goodell doesn’t accept Brady’s offer this isn’t about the integrity of the game it’s about a group of owners trying to hurt Brady, Belichick, Kraft and the Patriots organization. And their motives have nothing to do with psi.
    ——————-
    Says the Patri*ts homer. Oh and I have years of experience in this industry so…..

    Patri*ts fans are delusional

    Best Regards

  158. All the people that refuse the factual evidence and choose to condemn someone based on jealousy, hate and to please others should be given a one way ticket to North Korea, starting with Goodell.

    FrameGate = BrainDeflation
    ——————————————-

    Ya…..you aren’t a homer huh?…..

    Patri*ts fans are….wait for it…….Delusional…

    Best Regards

  159. The nice thing about the court of public opinion is that the sentence is short. Once something else comes along to talk about you are set free.
    ———————————-

    Nope you are wrong there. Someone else may take the immediate spotlight away, but when the discussion of Super Bowls comes up, the **** will ALWAYS be there.

    Patri*ts fans try to convince themselves this is not true, but just like Spygate, Deflategate is now FOREVER part of the Patri*ts’ and Shady’s history.

    Best Regards

  160. It’s funny to me that 10-15 people constantly post on threads about the Pats, as if they speak for America. Sad and pathetic. The emotional damage this franchise has caused people of this ilk is almost as good as all the winning.

  161. My god, what a bunch of misinformed judgmental idiots on this web site.

    Nobody has reported any information about what any settlement offer consisted of. Nobody knows any details about anything.

    With the number BS reports that have been leaked, and subsequently reported by sports media without valid substantiation, since the beginning of this contrived faux scandal, only to be completely contradicted and proven to be 100% false later, you might think that fans on both sides of the fence might not be so quick to jump on these “according to an unnamed source” reports. How many times do you need to be jimmy kicked in the nuts before you cross your legs?

    The NFLPA may have only told the league that they would accept full exoneration, reversal of all Brady’s suspension, along with a public statement indicating Brady was not involved in any rule breaking or violations, in exchange for an agreement to pay a $25-50k fine for him not turning over his phone.

    Even that is a stretch, IMO, but they probably are setting the league yup to appear to be non-negotiable for when they go take itt to the federal judge in a a few months, as they likely expected them to refuse the offer.

    It may have even included an agreement not to sue the league or other characters involved in this fiasco subsequently for defamation, if they would go along with the above. If they refused they are idiots.

    Regardless of if, or how much, he reduces it, if Goodell’s decision is to maintain any of the four game suspension, or any other number of games or fines that include the indication of Brady’s guilt (with no credible proof), the NFLPA has already said they will take him to court over the proceedings. And they will win because Goodell F’ed up the appeal.

    And even decades from now, when this is long over, and Brady has retired and is no longer in the NFLPA , he will still be wealthy and influential enough to bring a defamation suit against a lot of the little people involved in this witch hunt. When you look up defamation of character, and character assassination in the dictionary, it describes what is gong on here to a tee.

  162. 6ball says:

    # Goodell’s Folly in Six Acts

    1. Grigson emails Kensil (the whine)

    2. Kensil supervises ball weighing (the fiasco)

    3. Kensil tells Patriots equipment manager ” You’re in big f_____ trouble” ( the adjudication)

    4. ESPN and NFL Network report that 11 out of 12 balls were under ( the lie)

    5. Wells Report is released ( the joke)

    6. Sanctimonious, megalomaniac, Roger Goodell appoints himself as judge, jury, prosecutor, stenographer, appellate court justice, bailiff, court clerk, and king of the universe. ( the fool)

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    This is so good I just had to repost this.
    I hope this comment and many of the intelligent & logical ones are forever recorded and written in a book that for years to come, others may be both educated and warned not to commit FRAUD & SLANDER against anyone.

  163. He is guilty of nothing! Not of deflating footballs or ordering somebody to deflate footballs or for lack of cooperation.

    There is ZERO evidence the balls were “deflated” they had less PSI because of the weather! That is what the evidence proved. The ball that was intercepted was tested 3 times and every time it measured within the range of PSI science predicted it should measure due to the weather, which means it was NOT “deflated.” Basically the same thing for all the other balls if you use the measurements from the gauge the official said he used. End of story!

    The cooperation thing is absurd. They don’t need his texts, they already have the texts from the equipment manager and the guy they claim was the deflater.

  164. Only Tom Brady knows what communications he has. To offer to pay fine is absolute declaration of his guilt. Because if actually did take a moral stand on this issue, the penalty wouldn’t matter to him.

  165. Only Tom Brady knows what communications he has. To offer to pay fine is absolute declaration of his guilt. Because if actually did take a moral stand on this issue, the penalty wouldn’t matter to him.

  166. Clearly the mission of the NFL is to stain Tom Brady, regardless. To that end they should be willing to do anything that will keep this out of the courts, including lifting all fines and penalties, and issuing a statement saying, effectively, “we know he’s guilty, but since we only have (great!) circumstantial evidence, we’re letting him off, the guilty Tom Brady”. Then Tom would have no venue to demonstrate his innocence effectively.

    But, facts are, Tom is innocent, and the NFL is run by idiots, so they will give him the penalty he needs to bring this to courts and get a ruling from a neutral party. And that’s when the NFL really loses, because that judge will say what the evidence and science makes plain, not only did Tom have nothing to do with deflating the balls, all the evidence shows they weren’t deflated. Thereby giving the team recourse to come back to the NFL and get the team penalties rescinded.

  167. clavisra says:
    Jul 24, 2015 7:26 PM
    Clearly the mission of the NFL is to stain Tom Brady, regardless.

    ****

    Really? I mean, think that one through. Their mission is to railroad one of the most popular players, on one of the most popular teams, located in a huge media market???

    At this point I want at least one week suspension if for no other reason than to throw down the gauntlet to Brady. Sue the league, and get all their emails out in discovery so we can all see if there was really ever a conspiracy to not only kneecap the Pats, but defraud the American public as well. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Let’s see, once and for all. If he backs off of that…… guilty.

  168. clavisra says:
    Jul 24, 2015 7:26 PM

    Clearly the mission of the NFL is to stain Tom Brady, regardless.
    ——————————————————

    Do you get your headgear from a long skinny box with”Reynolds Wrap” written on it?

  169. Patsstinkoftaint, I agree with you. I think the NFL wanted nothing better than for the Wells Report to have cleared the Pats. If they just had the measurements, then they could have done that. But they have the texts and lack of candor by JJ, JM and TB. This will never go to court. The union and the nfl win even if the lose in court. Brady will lose even if he wins.

  170. Limakey, you really think the NFL wanted the Pats to be innocent here? There is a lot that flies in the face of that:

    Morts 11 of 12 report that was never corrected.

    Wells taking Anderson’s word on everything EXCEPT when it proves no wrong doing.

    The sting operation aspect. Why not just tell the Pats about the complaint before the game?

    The Vikings not even getting fined for something incredibly similar.

    The disregard for the 16 psi/13 psi text.

    The lack of investigation into the NFLs practices during this case.

    The multiple lies from the league office in regards to who knew what and when regarding the ball pressure complaint.

    You’d have to be incredibly close minded and naive to think the NFL wanted to find innocence. If they did, all they would have to say was that the refs best recollection shows the balls were within the acceptable psi range based on the conditions. Boom case closed.

  171. If Brady and Bellichek were suspended for Spygate instead of just fined, we wouldn’t have this problem. Suspend them for 8 games and this problem ends.

  172. I can’t wait for Brady to return after 4 games. It will be great to see what he can do without cheating. The final chapter of his career is about to get written.

  173. Brady is only doing this to protect his image with Patriot fans. However, they have their heads buried in the ideal gas law, so why bother? Anybody impartial knows that Brady cheated by conspiring with the “deflator”.

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