Settlement talks continue in Brady case

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Last Tuesday, PFT reported that the NFL and NFL Players Association had engaged in settlement talks in connection with the Tom Brady suspension. Since then, multiple other similar reports have emerged.

Most recently, multiple reports have indicated that talks have resumed, in the wake of the NFLPA reportedly offering that Brady would consider an outcome entailing no suspension but including a fine. (That’s not an admission of guilt by Brady.)

It remains unlikely that an agreement will be reached, because Brady by all appearances is poised to fight tooth and nail for a zero-game suspension. Likewise, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell has no good way out of the corn maze (absent the use of teeth and/or nails), with anything less than a four-game suspension opening him up to criticism both internally and externally.

Either way, the Patriots need a decision before they open training camp on Thursday, because they need to know whether and to what extent backup quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo should be prepared to play in September.

There’s still a chance Brady ultimately will play in September, either because he wins in court before Week One or because a court presses pause on any suspension until the litigation is resolved.

148 responses to “Settlement talks continue in Brady case

  1. They will let the Patriots know the day before their first regular season game. Because that is the fair thing to do.

  2. On the field – off the field. Brady ALWAYS wants special treatment or he whines, whines, whines. If Goodell gives in, he should hand his resignation in at the same time, because he wouldn’t be doing it for the integrity of the game, which is the commissioner’s job. I still feel bad for those two ball boys who were thrown under the bus in all of this and were suspended forever just for taking orders from above.

  3. Please end this. Its rare you get to see an all time great like Brady. Let’s all rally for the Patriots you guys.

  4. Full exoneration for Brady or take this to court.

    There is no proof that any unnatural deflation occurred, and it will be proven this season when they test balls for the FIRST TIME and see that they do naturally deflate in cold weather games.

    Nowhere in the Wells Report is there any indication that Brady wanted the footballs BELOW 12.5 PSI, or that he requested that anything be done to the footballs AFTER they are checked by the refs.

    And has the NFL ever suspended a player for (alleged) actions that he did not commit himself?

    Real leaders would do the “right thing” regardless of the consequences, so I am sure Goodell will not choose this course of action and will instead ultimately do what is best for him personally.

  5. What a joke. I hope Brady gets a 5th game ( I know won’t happen) but for real once he is found to be a cheat and liar I hope young kids don’t look up to this clown. putting the integrity of the game in question then trying to get away with it; what a circus

  6. Goodell keeping it at four is equating beating a woman to allegedly possibly being generally aware of an alleged scheme to possibly deflate footballs despite scientific evidence suggesting that none of it happened.

    At this point, just go for it, Roger. Not like you guys could possibly look any worse. Lose in court and get on with the season.

  7. Goodell is completely screwed. His own lawyers know this is a loser. We know the Wells report got completely trashed during the appeal. I almost hope they uphold at this point so we can see how it went down. On the other hand, I’m getting sick of this.

  8. With the exception of the great PFT. All this was a media witch hunt. Let the great Brady play. Lets root for the Patriots in 2015!!

  9. I really hope Brady takes this to court. His name has been dragged through the mud in a completely unfair and arbitrary manner for what is an incredibly minor infraction – deflating the footballs back to the (legal) minimum after the refs blow them up over the legal psi. This is like using stickum or vaseline on the jerseys, which Jerry Rice has done in the former and the Denver Broncos the latter. The commissioner’s office is based in NY, hates the Patriots (they constantly troll the Pats from the official NFL web site) and as a result hand out punishments to the Pats which are completely disproportionate to the crime. Brady should’ve been fined $25k as recommended for deflating footballs in the NFL rulebook, or $50k like Farve was for not handing over his phone, or at the max $100k like the Jets were for tampering with Revis’s contract.

  10. I am a huge Patriot fan. At this point I want Goodell, Kensil, Mortensen, Harbaugh, Pagano, Grigson, Irsay and all of ESPN exposed more than I care about the suspension. These people and entities need to pay for all of their lies. The Haters will have nothing left to say if that happens.

  11. Roger Goodell: “This was a fatally flawed and biased investigation from the onset. Tom Brady is exonerated and all penalties and suspensions directed at both him and the Patriots are hereby cancelled. This happened under my watch, as I allowed a handful of disgruntled owners combined with maverick internal NFL employees to steer this in a vindictive direction which it never should have gone. Accordingly, I resign. I encourage my successor to develop a new disciplinary approach which is more successful and effective than mine. Goodbye.”

  12. Let me solve this for Goodell. Put Brady on the Commissioner’s Exempt list until he has his day in court. I bet that four game suspension wouldn’t sound so bad after all…

  13. If Brady is negotiating, he’s guilty. He’s bluffing about taking this to court. He’d have to disclose the contents of his cell phone conversations with the “Deflator” which would only corroborate his guilt. All the Patriot patsies will see soon enough.

  14. Forget the “poor poor” Patriots, they’re merely sleeping in the bed of their own making. The real victims getting jobbed here are their opponents, who had nothing to do with these hijinks — who deserve the right to know which QB to prepare for as soon as possible. Thanks a lot Brady and company, for creating such a ridiculously unfair situation.

  15. The NFL probably doesn’t care that the Patriots open camp next Thursday. Just as they don’t care that the Steelers have been in camp for three days and are still waiting on the LeVeon Bell appeal. That appeal was filed several months before the deflategate suspension was handed down.

    Both of these appeals should have been cleared up long before camp.

  16. Brady will NEVER take this to court . He is guilty and the whole can of worms would be open.

    He’ll settle with a fine. Of course an “innocent” man always pays hefty fines if he didnt do anything………right

  17. Roger should resign now and dump it all in Vincent’s and Kensil’s laps!

    This story has had so many twists and turns that nothing related to all of this makes any sense anymore.

  18. Brady is the golden boy. He will cry like a baby no matter how he is punished. Let him, his team and his management cheat and maybe they’ll go away sooner.

  19. Settlement?

    Crock of BS.

    Saints got owned hardcore, yet Brady and Pats can just cheat the integrity of the game, yet again??

    No wins without cheating is all the record books will remember. Except for homer Pats fans.

  20. I guess the sticking point is whether Brady and Belichick will agree to stop cheating all the time.

  21. Suspension must be upheld, if not it sends the message that the Patriots are treated differently.

  22. dont the Pats report to camp tomorrow? Brady needs to be removed from the league permanently

  23. Lol at the idea that if it goes to court it’ll be over by week one. Try week one 2017.

  24. Not only did this farce hinder 2014/2015 superbowl preparations but it looks to also be gearing up to hinder the beginning of the Pats 2015/2016 season…NFL you are clueless. Other than a ticket to a game here and there I will not by licensed NFL products!

  25. You know what is amusing? The Patriots original logo was that squaty little minute man dude with big block letters above his head that read “Obey The Rules”.

  26. 4 games
    Just read the texts between Brady / Jim McNally /John Jastremski

    How does Brady explain:

    The text exchange in which McNally implies he better be compensated for whatever he’s about to do with a “big needle” for Tom Brady

    Jastremski: I have a big needle for u this week
    McNally: Better be surrounded by cash and newkicks….or its a rugby sunday
    McNally: F*** tom
    Jastremski: Maybe u will have some nice size 11’s in ur locker
    McNally: Tom must really be working your balls hard this week

  27. This is what happens when you collude to set up another team but don’t run it by your lawyers (or someone who passed a high school science class) first.

    Brady’s practically got the NFL bent over the barrel and they know it. Goodell knows that if he doesn’t handle this carefully, it very well might cost him his (very) lucrative job.

    Grab the popcorn, folks. Regardless of whichever side you’re cheering for, it’s gonna get good.

  28. Go to court, we find out whats on Tom’s phone (i cant say there def is something and pats fans cannot say there def is NOT something- one way to find out). And we put JJ and JM on the stand. Lets hear from the horses mouth what ‘deflator’ meant, what going to espn was about, what Tom called JJ 6 times about after that game. We need to hear from them while under oath. Its that simple. Until we know everything there cannot be a downgrade in suspension. Anyone who doesnt want ALL the facts is biased and is not looking for justice but to just get their team off the hook regardless of guilt. Court seems fair, if he’s innocent then the court will rule him innocent and no harm done.

  29. Lawsuit;(judge) ok Mr Brady since this is a civil case you have to turn over all your phone records. (Brady) what do you mean? (Judge) it’s called discover and you have to hand over all your cell phone records. (Brady) I’ll give three autograph balls, if I don’t have to do this. (judge) Mr Brady you 24 hour to give us these records or I’m dismissing your lawsuit. (Brady) then everyone will know I’m a talentless cheater. Whaaaaa!

  30. Goodell wants to get out of this with no egg on his face…

    I don’t believe that is possible…

    It just might end up costing him his job..

  31. All over the air in a football; ridiculous!
    Maybe the Comish will finally learn something from this mess and stay away from the, “Judge;Jury; executioner” mentality and give all future cases to an independent arbitrator.

  32. No one should have the authority to force a plea deal. Either Goodell has sufficient evidence to enforce an appropriate penalty or he does not. It’s a black or white situation. Using leverage against a team just so he can save face should be illegal but it definitely is immoral.
    Can you please just replace Goodell with someone who is competent.

  33. Reminds me of George Brett – Pine Tar bat. Violation of the rules pointed out by opposing team, violation of questionable actual impact verified, Large penalty given, Severe reaction from Brett.

    Not a perfect duplication but interesting parallel.

  34. It’s simple. The longer Goodell waits, the more pressure on Brady. First, the longer he waits, the less chance a court decides it before season starts.

    Assuming Goodell upholds a portion of the suspension, Brady appeals, and a court issues a stay allowing Brady to play pending appeal, the farther out an ultimate resolution is pushed. If there is no court decision by mid-November, Brady will be faced with a choice of accepting a suspension or potentially having to serve it at playoff time if the federal court rules against him in December or January.

    If I’m Goodell I wait as long as possible without looking completely unjustified, say, until the second week in August, and then uphold a 2 game suspension. That might be acceptable to Brady come November/December. Anything more than that won’t be acceptable to Brady and won’t get Roger off the hook for bungling this whole thing.

  35. Goodell grew his own maze by letting this grow way out of proportion. He has no choice now but to stand firm on Brady and let the courts overturn.

  36. As a non-Pat and non-Florio opinion person, Brady probably has no standing in court until the appeal is announced. So, his choice may not be as positive and the writer wishes to state. As a great fan of Hot Rod Hundley, my love of W. Va. is diminishing.

  37. At this point the NFL should be pressing pause on the whole thing. And they should make it publicly known why.

    Here is how I view this. And personally, I think that whether you are a “hater” or an “apologist”, it creates a legit answer. I think the NFL should step back and say that they are going to conduct a study on the footballs. And after the study, they will revisit this investigation, appeal, and make a punishment decision.

    The study will be carried out during every game of the 2015 season, to include preseason and post season. All footballs will be calibrated prior to the game by the officials (one could argue all of the balls should be set to the same number for both teams…). There should be a duo of officials whose job is to calibrate the footballs, meticulously record the numbers in the presence of 1 team official from each team. That record will then be signed by the officials, and the team officials. This procedure will be repeated at halftime, and at the conclusion of the game. Every game should have 3 documents of psi recordings (pregame, halftime, postgame), signed by the 4 officials (2 game officials, and 1 team official from each team). At the conclusion of the season, those documents will all be publicly released.

    In addition to the psi measurements, there should be a meteorologist on hand to document all relevant weather related information. Temp at kickoff, halftime, post game, humidity levels, whether or not there was any rain, etc.

    It would become very clear at that point if this is a Patriots phenomenon or if this is simply a weather related deflation at every game played. There have been arguments that weather only affected the Patriots side of the field, well this eliminates those questions.

    At that point the NFL will have an answer. Either they have their proof that the footballs routinely deflate over the course of a game, or they have proof that it is rare/unusual. If those results are consistent with New England’s 2014 AFCCG footballs, all penalties should be rescinded (to include team, player, and personnel penalties). If the answer is that no balls deflate in any of those 500+ games, then they have all they need to punish the Patriots, the ball boys, Tom Brady, etc.

    Whether you are for or against the Patriots, isn’t that the best case scenario? No longer do we have to interpret results of a faulty investigation. The hard facts would be right there for all to see. If you are truly unbiased, that is what you want, the truth. If you are blindly going against the Patriots just to go against them, you will never agree to anything that could vindicate them. If you are blindly following the Patriots because you love them, you will never agree to anything that will bury them. It is the only possible solution that makes any sense. If the integrity of the game is paramount, why wouldn’t you be in favor of my suggestion? If you are 100% convinced the Patriots cheated, then you should be positive this ball study will bury them. If you are 100% convinced the Patriots are being hosed, then you should also be 100% convinced this will vindicate them. It should be about the truth, but we all know it isn’t…

  38. Where is the article about Sal Pal of Patriots retracting his statement about Biscotti? Another woe-is-me Patriots fan trying to blame somebody else for the Patriots cheating. As if Tom Brady didn’t cheat by conspiring with the “deflator” ball boy, this is all just the Ravens.

    News Flash…The Ravens care about the Ravens – not the Patriots. Take your suspension like a man and stop blaming others.

  39. Goodell should either uphold the suspension or change it. Make a decision and move on!!! Let Brady go to court if he wants.

    Goodell has had six months to deliberate this fiasco. If your right Roger stick to your guns. If Brady’s case is compelling then drop the suspension. Either way make a decision!

    If you are afraid that Brady will beat you in court then your decision is probably not very good.

  40. Let the two implicated guys speak. Why are they still silent while all the lawyers in New England claim persecution? If everything is about weight being deflated and big misunderstandings they could have spoken by now. I mean, I am sure that the almighty Brady gifts priceless memorabilia to everyone in the locker room.

  41. butthurt patriots haters making outlandish statements to make themselves feel better coming in 3…2…1…

    anytime you hear something like “he CHEATED, they’re CHEATERS” all you should really hear is “I’m butthurt and don’t know how to cope, help me”….shhhh I’m here now babies, and everything will be OK.

  42. Kraft is prepared to transfer untraceable funds to Goodell’s off shore account to ensure this all gets swept under the rug.

  43. This has got to be one of the most embarrassing, idiotic, and incompetent hearings/appeals I have seen in my entire life.

    In no sense do I get any feel from the NFL that they are competent in any way to handle any disciplinary hearings at all. How an organization can be so inept, yet worth so much money escapes me.

    And every day that goes by with Goodell keeping his mouth shut makes me more angry. I scoffed at Mark Cuban when he made his comments last year…but at this point, that NFL executive committee is going to kill itself.

    Completely incompetent.

  44. Goodell just make a decision you coward. Let’s move on to the next step as this is beyond ridiculous. Who thought we could be spending so much time talking about air pressure?!?

    #FREEBRADY
    #FIREGOODELL

  45. If Goodell had brains, he would hold that the equipment rule is a club rule that did not apply to players. This would release Brady without actually exonerating him, but hold Kraft to his franchise’s penalties that he stupidly caved on. The haters would still have things to whine about, while the greatest QB in league history would be back on the field. And Goodell will only be viewed as the worst NFL Commissioner ever, and not the worst Commissioner of any major sports league dating all the way back to the founding of the Republic.

  46. For everyone who thinks Brady cheated, here’s a idea.

    The next time your team plays in weather 40 degrees or below and the balls are tested under 12.5 PSI (which they will) at half time, the NFL suspends your quarterback for four games.

    Sounds fair to me.

  47. If he is accepting a fine, he IS admitting guilt….if he is innocent, he should fight the fine too…but doesn’t matter, this subject is old, it’s a new season, let him play and forget about all of this nonsense. Go Bills!!

  48. The Pats legal and PR teams will help the NFLPA find a :right thinking” judge in Boston and that judge will receive lifetime seats in Kraft’s box.

  49. I think the other teams and the other teams owners have made it clear what every other fan base but the Patriots fan base believes. The Patriots have skirted the rules for years now and two of their three super bowls are tainted with asterisks and punishment from the NFL. If you are so good you can win without cheating, why cheat. The Patriots and their fans should be damn grateful the league didn’t pull the super bowl victory from the Patriots and like Kraft who realized he was not going to win and not going to make friends and influence other owners by fighting what is obvious Brady needs to accept the obvious. If Brady wants cleared, produce the texts, otherwise, suck it up and quit being a crybaby. Brady is like the typical prisoner who sits in jail and whines about his innocence. No one outside the New England fan base believe Brady is innocent and although they may fill the comment section of article after article with their hometown bravado, Brady and Kraft are cheaters, they got caught, haven’t provided the texts that would clear Brady and have virtually admitted their guilt. Take the punishment, move on and try to find a new way to cheat that doesn’t involve cameras, formations and ball pressure.

  50. I want Brady to fight this into court and accept no compromise after what he and the team have been put through. I assume most Patriot fans feel the same way. This whole process has been a joke and has seriously hurt Brady’s reputation and legacy. If he is innocent, fight it all the way!!!

  51. This item falls under the section “shenanigans” !

    There’s no way NFLPA/Tom Brady settles for anything less than a fine for not ponying up his cellphone.

    IMO, this story is being seeded by the league office to justify taking so long in handing down a decision.

    This will end up in court.

  52. guypatsfan says:
    Jul 28, 2015 9:02 AM
    Cue the haters…
    /////////////

    Cue overzealous and delusional bandwagon Pats “fans”, who have mostly been silent for the 10 previous years.

  53. I think most fans are just plain tired of this story and the constant focus on by Patsbrats on all threads. Let Tammy go free….he and the Pats will always be looked at as Cheaters and babies outside of New England regardless of how this shakes out. But you can bet the microscope will be fine tuned on everything the cheaters try and Tammy’s on field whining could start getting some flags…sissy.

  54. Haha. NFL FO had 6 months to bring down tommy and now they are delaying because they are out of moves.

    Tom, rightfully so, didn’t trust anybody within the FO. He made the right move by lawyering up and not speaking on it, because the NFL was all about busting tommy for something. It probably became obvious to the Pats, when Wells showed up for the 4th time to interview the ball boys.

    20/20 hindsight, tom did the right thing and not trust the clown show that is the NFL FO and Ted Wells…

    Hopefully this takes down Goodell.

  55. The way the court system handled Peterson’s mess… don’t believe for a minute that the courts will resolve anything for Brady before Week 1. They couldn’t even confirm his name before Week 1.

  56. Another note: they don’t care about balls, this is all posturing to show that it is important to help justify that they were fighting for the integrity of the game.

    They are setting themselves up for a major failure here though. Everyone is going to watch this so closely. fans will do their own tests and balls to the stadium and record it. People are going to question the validity of the gauges. Among 1000 other factors that they won’t be able to replicate from the AFCCG.

    Put it @ 13.0 throw them all in a big bag at the beginning of the game and have the QBs play with whatever the refs give them for the love of god…

  57. billswillnevermove says:
    Jul 28, 2015 9:11 AM
    If he is accepting a fine, he IS admitting guilt….if he is innocent, he should fight the fine too…but doesn’t matter, this subject is old, it’s a new season, let him play and forget about all of this nonsense. Go Bills!!

    Not if they say the fine is for failure to corporate because he did not turn over his personal phone (like BF)

  58. The way the national public refuses to acknowledge the facts in Deflategate is extremely frustrating and quite frankly, mind boggling. Unfortunately, it has revealed the true ignorance of our society. Many people across America do not like Tom Brady. I get it. We are a nation that loves the underdog and loves to hate Goliath. But there is a difference between not liking someone’s personality and unjustly assassinating their character and “integrity” simply because you don’t like them. There is a word for ‘an opinion not based on fact’, it’s called Prejudice.

    The facts in Deflategate are very clear. The PSI in footballs will drop in cold weather. There is no denying that. It’s science, it’s a fact. Heck, even the Wells Report says PSI’s will drop. What’s at issue is the amount they will drop. The Non-Logo gauge shows a slightly abnormal drop. The Logo gauge shows a normal drop. Walt Anderson’s best recollection is he used the Logo gauge. However, Ted Wells believes Anderson used the Non-logo gauge.

    So why does Wells believe the Non-logo gauge was used? Page XIV of the Exponent report reveals 1.) because the Non-logo gauge consistently produces a lower PSI; and 2.) because the Non-logo gauge is more similar to other gauges tested by Exponent.

    Think about that for a second. Anderson used one of 2 gauges. How either gauge tests compared to other gauges is totally irrelevant! How does that in any way impact which gauge Anderson used? But don’t forget the other reason. Because the Non-logo gauge produces a lower PSI. Translation – the Non-logo gauge is the only gauge that supports our theory.

    Please note, if the Non-logo gauge was in fact used, then 3 of the 4 Colts footballs tested were also below the 12.5 limit so a violation occurred.

    Also keep in mind, Ted Wells and Roger Goodell are accusing multiple people of lying. They have also both stated in press conferences this was an independent investigation. But that’s a whole other issue.

    But what about the txts?

    The reality is, if the Logo gauge was used, no tampering occurred so the txts are irrelevant. But let’s just say the Non-logo gauge was used. The term “deflator” is repeated at least 15 times in the Wells Report. The word was used once by McNally in a 14 txt conversation from May 2014. Ted Wells presents 4 of the 14 txts from the conversation in his report. Wells is passing judgement on the meaning of the txt without ever hearing an explanation from the man who wrote the txt. Despite having the txt Wells did not ask McNally about the txt when he interviewed him.

    There is not 1 txt talking about hiding in a bathroom, how to respond if they get caught, where to deflate footballs, what PSI to deflate the footballs to, when to deflate the footballs, how to avoid being caught, who may be suspicious of their actions. Not 1. There’s not even a txt from during or after the AFC Champ game saying ‘they are on to us.’

    The argument that Brady’s phone has info on it is comical. Wells had the ball boys phones. Any communication Brady had with them, would be on their phones.

    Perhaps the question America should be asking is why did Deflategate become such a big issue. How did it become what it is today? It can only be 1 of 2 things. Either the Patriots cheated, or the NFL thought they cheated and was wrong.

    We’ve seen Goodell get caught lying before (see judges statement in Rice case). Maybe it’s time to look into why the Wells Report was so flawed? A man with his pedigree surely doesn’t become successful by producing flawed reports. He gets there by doing exactly what his client asks him to do. If the Patriots aren’t to blame for Deflategate, then the NFL is.

    But Wells & Goodell insisted this was an independent report and America bought it hook, line & sinker.

  59. Goodell is realizing he made huge mistake…he has boxed himself into a no-win situation

    If Goodell reduces the suspension to 2 games, Brady will take it to court and most likely win his case.

    If Goodell eliminates the game suspensions and imposes a small fine, he will look like a bigger fool.

    Most likely Brady did not order the ball boy to deflate the balls. The evidence suggests the balls PSI was within the predicted level according to the ideal gas laws. The ball boy has maintained his innocence since the incident. Hard to believe he would not turn on Brady, since he disliked Brady so much. Even the mafia can’t keep from squealing , but this bozos who worked just 8 games per year is able to keep his mouth shut ? not likely. More likely that Brady never conspired with the equipment manager and ball ball to deflate the balls.

  60. billswillnevermove says:
    Jul 28, 2015 9:11 AM

    If he is accepting a fine, he IS admitting guilt…

    —-
    absolutely. He would be guilty of not turning over his personal phone and email records. Nothing more, nothing less, regardless of how you wish to spin it.

  61. Forget the “poor poor” Patriots, they’re merely sleeping in the bed of their own making. The real victims getting jobbed here are their opponents, who had nothing to do with these hijinks — who deserve the right to know which QB to prepare for as soon as possible. Thanks a lot Brady and company, for creating such a ridiculously unfair situation.

    Boohoohoo. Use it as a crutch little boy. Now you can feel good about your team again, maybe. “they weren’t better than us…they cheated!”

  62. Suspension or not it’s Garappolos’ Job to be ready and it’s the coaching staffs job to make sure he is ready. It would be sweet to watch him rip apart the opposition if Brady misses any games. I’m talking super bowl sweet.

  63. The Wells Report would receive a failing grade if a law school used it as an example of poorly written thesis that would fail in court. No one reading these pages would not feel they were cheated if persecuted to the extend the Patriots and Tom Brady were for any offense. The science is the most important element of this case and the preponderance of the evidence proves innocence to those who do not have a bias one way or the other to either side. If the NFL does not come clean in this matter it will leave a lasting impression of dishonesty and a feeling that this league cannot be trusted to do the right thing. Tom Brady has very little choice but to fight this hard to a fair conclusion, for they have unfairly compromised his hard earned reputation as one the league’s most honest, historic and prolific players along with the Patriot’s legacy of excellence in the pro game of NFL football. Brady and the Patriots have won their championships fair and square without doubt. They played the games right, lost some and won more than most. It’s not a coincidence that Tom Brady leads the NFL in merchandise sales for the first time in his career. NFL fans know when someone is getting screwed and their spending is sending a message to the league. Brady and the Patriots deserve the credit and the honor we reserve for Champions!

  64. Brady could pay the fine for not turning his phone over; not for deflating the balls.

    We may not like him to pay the fine, but legally, it could make sense not to fight that part any further.

    Of course, the fine should not be in the millons of dollars. If it is, then he should go to court at once.

  65. cornerstone2001 says:
    Jul 28, 2015 2:05 AM

    Brady will NEVER take this to court . He is guilty and the whole can of worms would be open

    ———

    what does he have to lose? People like you will think he is guilty no matter what. And if it gets to the point where he has to turn over his phone and emails, so will NFL execs. I think NFL execs are more worried about this than Brady.

    For Brady….the worst that could happen is that there is something found, and the suspension would stand. It won’t be increased. But for the NFL execs (and possibly some owners)…..it opens a can of worms because Wells exonerated them of any skullduggery.

    The NFL execs have the most to lose in a prolonged court case. It’s the NFL that does not want this to go to court.

  66. mrpkg says:
    Jul 28, 2015 6:53 AM
    4 games
    Just read the texts between Brady / Jim McNally /John Jastremski

    How does Brady explain:

    The text exchange in which McNally implies he better be compensated for whatever he’s about to do with a “big needle” for Tom Brady

    Jastremski: I have a big needle for u this week
    McNally: Better be surrounded by cash and newkicks….or its a rugby sunday
    McNally: F*** tom
    Jastremski: Maybe u will have some nice size 11’s in ur locker
    McNally: Tom must really be working your balls hard this week

    ______________________________

    How do you explain it? Oh and those texts aren’t between rady / Jim McNally /John Jastremski. No where in there is a Brady text. Oh I know you’ll say that Tom didn’t give up his phone that’s why they’re not there. You realize that’s not how text work right, you can see the whole thread on either persons phone?

  67. mrpkg says:
    Jul 28, 2015 6:53 AM
    4 games
    Just read the texts between Brady / Jim McNally /John Jastremski

    How does Brady explain:

    The text exchange in which McNally implies he better be compensated for whatever he’s about to do with a “big needle” for Tom Brady

    Jastremski: I have a big needle for u this week
    McNally: Better be surrounded by cash and newkicks….or its a rugby sunday
    McNally: F*** tom
    Jastremski: Maybe u will have some nice size 11’s in ur locker
    McNally: Tom must really be working your balls hard this week

    Yeah those all scream guilty.

    So you don’t know either of these guys tell us which one of those text is sarcasm or legitimate

    You can’t. Just like Wells couldn’t.

    Why did you leave out the text from Brady telling them to show the rule book to the ref after the ball came into the Jets game at 16psi?

  68. Gotta love all the Patsie* fans that sign up with a name that makes it look like they are fans from other teams, but are now Patsie* fans because of this.
    Quite pathetic actually.
    Just like their team……..trying to be something they are not.

  69. letsgobuffalo4 says:
    Jul 28, 2015 7:42 AM
    Go to court, we find out whats on Tom’s phone (i cant say there def is something and pats fans cannot say there def is NOT something- one way to find out). And we put JJ and JM on the stand. Lets hear from the horses mouth what ‘deflator’ meant, what going to espn was about, what Tom called JJ 6 times about after that game. We need to hear from them while under oath. Its that simple. Until we know everything there cannot be a downgrade in suspension. Anyone who doesnt want ALL the facts is biased and is not looking for justice but to just get their team off the hook regardless of guilt. Court seems fair, if he’s innocent then the court will rule him innocent and no harm done.

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    wny49er says:
    Jul 28, 2015 7:44 AM
    Lawsuit;(judge) ok Mr Brady since this is a civil case you have to turn over all your phone records. (Brady) what do you mean? (Judge) it’s called discover and you have to hand over all your cell phone records. (Brady) I’ll give three autograph balls, if I don’t have to do this. (judge) Mr Brady you 24 hour to give us these records or I’m dismissing your lawsuit. (Brady) then everyone will know I’m a talentless cheater. Whaaaaa!

    Uh no……

    They have already said if it goes to court they would be arguing the process.

    How stupid are you.. (Brady) then everyone will know I’m a talentless cheater.

  70. Not sure how it can take this long to negotiate a settlement of such a minor thing. There are only about 5-6 total possible outcomes and those include nothing changing and a full exoneration, neither of which will obviously actually happen.

  71. mrpkg says:
    Jul 28, 2015 6:53 AM

    4 games
    Just read the texts between Brady / Jim McNally /John Jastremski

    How does Brady explain:

    The text exchange in which McNally implies he better be compensated for whatever he’s about to do with a “big needle” for Tom Brady

    Jastremski: I have a big needle for u this week
    McNally: Better be surrounded by cash and newkicks….or its a rugby sunday
    McNally: F*** tom
    Jastremski: Maybe u will have some nice size 11’s in ur locker
    McNally: Tom must really be working your balls hard this week

    ———-

    Where does it say anything about deflating a football? He’s talking about over INFLATING them. Brady told Jastremski he wants the balls on the low side of the range, closer to 12.5 than 13.5. McNally is cranking Jastremski in these texts.

    No mention AT ALL of taking air out or making them less than 12.5.

    In case you don’t know it, you need a needle to put air in a football, not just to let it out.

  72. There is a simple argument if this goes to court. I am pretty I read that equipment violations are punishable to the team and not the player. I believe it is a minimum of $25,000. The Patriots lost 2 draft picks and a million dollars.
    Even though Brady did nothing wrong, Kraft accepted the punishment.

    Brady should not be punished for this.

    Honestly, I hope this goes to court because Brady will win

  73. Taking it to court means Brady must hand over his cell phone.

    The rest of the league is fine with that. You can’t permanently delete anything.

    Brady is a cheater.

  74. edgarpoe3 says:
    Jul 27, 2015 11:47 PM
    On the field – off the field. Brady ALWAYS wants special treatment or he whines, whines, whines. If Goodell gives in, he should hand his resignation in at the same time, because he wouldn’t be doing it for the integrity of the game, which is the commissioner’s job. I still feel bad for those two ball boys who were thrown under the bus in all of this and were suspended forever just for taking orders from above.

    —————

    That is all imaginary. Brady doesn’t want special treatment. Sure, he argues with the officials at times. That’s called trying to win. In fact the last time he complained in the Baltimore playoff game it turned out he was right even though there was no call. He was poked in the eye by a player after the play was over and it was pretty bad. He was right to complain.

    Nothing in the Ted Wells report shows that Brady was some kind of godfather. The report only showed that maybe it was happening and that Brady might have known. He might have been pressuring the guys to get the balls right and tampering with them was their idea. Can’t tell from the report. Those rules actually apply to the ball boys. Of course the should have been let go if they were guilty.

  75. “It remains unlikely that an agreement will be reached, because Brady by all appearances is poised to fight tooth and nail for a zero-game suspension.”

    Just like Robert Kraft was going to fight tooth and nail as well, until he well…didn’t.

  76. crush22 says:
    Jul 28, 2015 9:56 AM
    Gotta love all the Patsie* fans that sign up with a name that makes it look like they are fans from other teams, but are now Patsie* fans because of this.
    Quite pathetic actually.
    Just like their team……..trying to be something they are not.

    I know it’s pathetic, kinda like the same people who troll every single article that has anything to do with the Patriots and post the same lame comments over and over again. Pathetic.

  77. It’s clear that the only reason it’s gotten to this point is that Tom Brady & the Patriots are involved…folks have let their success inappropriately influence their conclusions.

  78. crush22 says:
    Jul 28, 2015 9:56 AM
    Gotta love all the Patsie* fans that sign up with a name that makes it look like they are fans from other teams,…

    Yes, any Pats fans that do that are morons, as are the Pats enviers who pretend to be Pats fans, and as are the Pats haters or enviers who refer to the Pats or their fans with ‘Patsie*’.

  79. How privelaged does this guy think he is??!! The NFL negotiating a punishment with a player puts on display the kind of special treatment & entitlement Brady has enjoyed, both on the field and off! NEWS FLASH to the NFL: Brady isn’t special & his cheating & lying proves just how weak & undeserving his character truly is. This whole fiasco has shown everyone just how weak of a leader Goodell truly is & it gets worse with each passing day! He needs to announce today the the suspension remains and let the cards fall from there.

  80. What looks worse? Goodell actually owning up to a mistake and coming clean, or LOSING in court and being made to look like an overbearing dictator? He will 100% LOSE if this goes to an actual 3rd party setting.

  81. I’m not sure if some people posting comments are as stupid as the comments they write, or if they are just writing it to bust the balls of Pats fans because, that’s all they got for ball busting ammunition.

    They start with a Wells assumption-based ‘conclusion’, and then embellish it with even more non-factual verbiage. It’s hard to imagine they actually believe what they write….but why waste so much time doing it if you didn’t believe it?

  82. jimmyt says:
    Jul 28, 2015 6:49 AM

    You know what is amusing? The Patriots original logo was that squaty little minute man dude with big block letters above his head that read “Obey The Rules”.
    _________________________________

    “Pat the Patriot” as that logo was called is NOT the Boston Patriots original logo. Their original logo was a tri-cornered hat!

    Keep spouting those “facts” jimmyt. Troll!

  83. Craziest thing about this whole mess is that even if Pats are guilty of all accusations, it’s just about the most minor thing imaginable.

    Maybe your teams should try simply playing football better if you’re tired of getting owned by the New England Patriots.

    #Hashtag

  84. cbass59 says:
    Jul 28, 2015 10:11 AM
    Taking it to court means Brady must hand over his cell phone.

    The rest of the league is fine with that. You can’t permanently delete anything.

    Brady is a cheater.

    Uh…no it doesn’t

  85. umbaseinstien says:
    Jul 28, 2015 10:24 AM

    How privelaged does this guy think he is??!! The NFL negotiating a punishment with a player puts on display the kind of special treatment & entitlement Brady has enjoyed, both on the field and off! NEWS FLASH to the NFL: Brady isn’t special & his cheating & lying proves just how weak & undeserving his character truly is. This whole fiasco has shown everyone just how weak of a leader Goodell truly is & it gets worse with each passing day! He needs to announce today the the suspension remains and let the cards fall from there.
    umbaseinstien says:
    Jul 28, 2015 10:24 AM

    How privelaged does this guy think he is??!! The NFL negotiating a punishment with a player puts on display the kind of special treatment & entitlement Brady has enjoyed, both on the field and off! NEWS FLASH to the NFL: Brady isn’t special & his cheating & lying proves just how weak & undeserving his character truly is. This whole fiasco has shown everyone just how weak of a leader Goodell truly is & it gets worse with each passing day! He needs to announce today the the suspension remains and let the cards fall from there.

    ———-

    courts want to know that the parties involved have made attempts to settle their dispute before taking it to the courts. Just because they are negotiating, doesn’t mean either side is moving an inch.

  86. flash1287 says:
    Jul 28, 2015 10:18 AM
    crush22 says:
    Jul 28, 2015 9:56 AM
    Gotta love all the Patsie* fans that sign up with a name that makes it look like they are fans from other teams, but are now Patsie* fans because of this.
    Quite pathetic actually.
    Just like their team……..trying to be something they are not.

    I know it’s pathetic, kinda like the same people who troll every single article that has anything to do with the Patriots and post the same lame comments over and over again. Pathetic.
    ————–
    Long Live The *, Sweetpea.

  87. whywerule says:
    Jul 28, 2015 10:24 AM
    crush22 says:
    Jul 28, 2015 9:56 AM
    Gotta love all the Patsie* fans that sign up with a name that makes it look like they are fans from other teams,…

    Yes, any Pats fans that do that are morons, as are the Pats enviers who pretend to be Pats fans, and as are the Pats haters or enviers who refer to the Pats or their fans with ‘Patsie*’.
    ————–
    Forgot to mention………..
    Long Live The *!

  88. DEFLATOR here. Yes I took the footballs in the bathroom, without approval, (an approval I knew I needed to get) and used the urinal, oops I mean toilet. Normally on game day I have alone time in the officials locker room to deflate the footballs, but there were too many people on AFC championship day, so I panicked and headed for the bathroom. Then I lied about it for Tommy. Thanks Tommy for all the stuff you gave me.

  89. I give pats fans credit for one thing. They brainwashed the masses pretty nicely.

    Remember these 4 words: deflator, toms, cell, phone

  90. I know 2 Pats fans and they are embarrassed by the cheating and arrogance of the Cheatriot organization. They wouldn’t admit it publicly because they just won’t.

  91. Quietly,

    The owners in the league want the suspension because of the consistent cheating by the Patriots organization.

    Goodall will have to uphold the 4 game suspension.

    Subsequently, if Brady even attempts to sue, the NFL will subpoena his cell phone records and Brady will be exposed for the cheat AND LIAR that he is.

    He did know the deflator and had constant conversations with him. So…Brady won’t sue. Brady is bluffing.

  92. Of course Goodell has an easy way out. Get out in fron th of the cameras and make a simple declarative statement: Based on the evidence through the appeal process we have rescinded Tom Brady’s suspension. We will have no further comment.

  93. While we are at it, let’s investigate the one ball that was well under the limit that was in the hands of the Colts and all the leaks out of Indy to ESPN that resulted in misinformation right out of the gate.

    And to all the folks that don’t like the Pats and want this punishment upheld just because of that….wait until Roger puts his aim on YOUR team.

    There have been many examples of truly bad people in the NFL and to trash a guy that has been a great representative for the brand is pathetic and petty.

  94. Brady and the NFLPA are negotiating, bluffing, leaking lies to get the lowest possible punishment. They know Tommy is guilty and it will probably end up as a 2 game suspension with no admission of guilt and the lawyers stating they were prepared for a court battle, but it would be a major distraction for the Cheats.

    A man of integrity would admit his mistakes and own up to it. The Cheats since Belicheat has been coach has never been an organization of integrity.

    We hate cheaters and liars.

  95. Page 90 of the Wells report. 10/17/2014 Text from Jastremski to Panda, his fiance’ “Ugh…Tom was right. I just measured some of the balls. They supposed to be 13 lbs. …..They were like 16. Felt like bricks.”
    This is in reference to the Jets game on 10/16/2014. Somehow this is ignored. Jastremski also states in a text that “the ref’s f’d us.” “They didn’t recheck after they put air in them.” I have read the texts over and over that those who think they are the proof of guilt. It seems the main focus was Brady complaining, rightfully so, that the balls in the Jet game were too hard. The two ball boys are basically complaining about Tom bitching and McNally threatening to blow up the balls like balloons or rugby balls. Seriously, someone needs to point out to me where exactly it is stated by Brady, Jastremski or McNally that the balls were to be deflated below legal limits. Please, I welcome it.

  96. I see that the jealous Patriot haters are out in full force today.

    Losers, how can you live with yourselves spewing the same sorry crap day after day after day. You know deep down inside the things you write and say are not true. But if it makes you feel better keep doing what you are doing. Because the Patriots and their fans could care less what you think or say. It doesn’t make a difference now or 100 years from now.

    Tom Brady and the World Champs will not be denied a 5th SB ring this year. Get use to it your teams suck and will always suck compared to the World Champs.

    Brady will not miss any games this year or next year…Pats 52 Steelers 3.

  97. This is only tarnishing the legacy of cheater Brady even more. He should just take his punishment like a man. This would have all blown over months ago. Then prove to us all in weeks 5-16 that he can win with a legal ball. Oh wait!!!! Brady knows he can’t. There in lies the dilemma.

  98. @ ( . Y . ) says:
    Blah, blah…air temp test…blah, blah, blah (on & on forever – longest pointless post EVER)
    ———————————————————-
    Your suggestion only addresses one aspect of the prosecution’s case – ball psi vs air temp. It doesnt address the text messages that demonstrate fully that Shady-Brady had orchestrated this cheating scheme months & possibly years prior to the AFC Champ game. So, this about more than 1 thing.

    1) cheating in countless games (proven beyond reasonable doubt)
    2) failure to cooperate
    3) failure to take responsibility for his acttions

    He deserves more than 4 games & absolutely would be a disgrace to the Hall of Fame

  99. dumbaseinstien says:
    Jul 28, 2015 12:51 PM

    @ ( . Y . ) says:
    Blah, blah…air temp test…blah, blah, blah (on & on forever – longest pointless post EVER)
    ———————————————————-
    Your suggestion only addresses one aspect of the prosecution’s case – ball psi vs air temp. It doesnt address the text messages that demonstrate fully that Shady-Brady had orchestrated this cheating scheme months & possibly years prior to the AFC Champ game. So, this about more than 1 thing.

    1) cheating in countless games (proven beyond reasonable doubt)
    2) failure to cooperate
    3) failure to take responsibility for his acttions

    He deserves more than 4 games & absolutely would be a disgrace to the Hall of Fame
    —————————————————
    Please ole wise one, do show a quote from a text where Brady is orchestrating this cheating scheme for months and maybe years. Just one where Brady says to do anything besides inflating to legal limits or telling them to tell the refs to read the rule book after it is found the refs had inflated Patriots balls to 16 psi vs of all teams the Jets. I’ll wait. P.S. your fantasy quotes won’t count.

  100. remember how Brady came back twice from 14pt deficits against a pretty good ravens team and then had a big 4th quarter comeback against the infamous seahawks in the superbowl?

    great player, great times

    whine some more losers!
    the only thing better than the Pats winning the superbowl is seeing it still stinging a legion of science averse cry babies months later.

    did you cry when Butler sealed the deal?
    i’m pretty sure you did.

  101. swagger52 says:
    Jul 28, 2015 12:00 PM

    This is only tarnishing the legacy of cheater Brady even more. He should just take his punishment like a man. This would have all blown over months ago. Then prove to us all in weeks 5-16 that he can win with a legal ball. Oh wait!!!! Brady knows he can’t. There in lies the dilemma.
    ————————————————-
    swagger maybe. logical thought, not so much. Brady can’t win with a legal ball? You make zero sense, please stop embarrassing yourself. A billion people watched Brady win the Super Bowl in record breaking fashin. Oh and there was the matter of putting up 28 points in the second half against the hapless Colts in the AFCCG. Typical Ravens fan, blame everyone else for your teams failures.

  102. i@ imodan says:Jul 28, 2015 1:14 PM
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    I did use the distinction “reasonable doubt”. If we have learned anything from this, it’s that some unreasonable people will still try to defend Brady, regardless of how obvious & convincing the incriminating the evidence against him is.

  103. imodan..please..

    Nobody has any idea how Brady will play during a full season with a legal ball. He played well enough in the Super Bowl to have the Sea Hawks lose the game in the end. Lets see what he does with a 12 game schedule and a legal ball. If Gronkowski or Edelman get hurt, Patriots don’t even make the playoffs in the poorest division in the AFC the last 10 years.

  104. Awesome picture of Brady whining…It has a Raven in the background – very typical. Brady whines to the Refs during the season, and now to the NFL during the off-season.

  105. In defense of most Pat fans, they are not dwelling on Brady cheating.. They are happy to win a Super Bowl any way possible. Given Spy Gate, they are experts and just go with it.

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