Brady makes bad situation worse by admitting to destroying phone

In his effort to make a bad situation better, Patriots quarterback Tom Brady had somehow made it worse.

The 20-page, single-spaced ruling from Commissioner Roger Goodell explains that, in materials submitted by Brady only days before the June 23 hearing, Brady admitted that he destroyed the cell phone that would have contained text messages sent and received during the time period most relevant to the #DeflateGate controversy.

Although characterized as Brady’s habit when purchasing a new cell phone, Goodell’s ruling explains that Brady knew that Ted Wells and company wanted to examine the phone that was coincidentally destroyed and replaced on March 6, the same day that Brady met with Wells. Brady, per Goodell, never suggested that the cell phone had been (or would be) destroyed during that meeting.

It’s a very bad look for Brady, and it’s a highly questionable tactic to affirmatively admit that the phone was destroyed in materials submitted to Goodell in connection with the appeal. As a result, Brady’s receipt of bad advice or his deliberate decision to ignore good advice has now extended from the decision not to accept the invitation to allow lawyer/agent Don Yee to personally review the text messages from the phone to the decision to admit that the cell phone was destroyed.

What benefit does Brady derive from disclosing that in the appeal? Even if it’s his habit to get rid of the phone and the data card within it whenever getting a new phone, that habit must yield to an ongoing investigation in which the contents of the phone and the data card have been deemed to be relevant. And so it’s reasonable to assume that Brady was trying to hide something.

Moreover, the decision to destroy the phone under those circumstances confirms the stereotypical “I do what I want” attitude that a multi-million-dollar quarterback with a supermodel wife and a house with a moat would be expected to project. The decision to admit the destruction of the phone in paperwork aimed at contesting the suspension suggests that Brady was represented by the law firm of Moe, Larry, and Shemp.

Apart from the relevance that the destroyed cell phone may or may not have to the looming legal challenge, this news turns the tables dramatically in the court of public opinion. With nothing in Goodell’s 20-page ruling hinting at the same kind of flaws that were lurking in the 243-page Ted Wells report, it’s going to be very difficult for the #FreeBrady crowd to find a cob of corn into which they can sink their teeth.

But if there’s another side to this story, Brady and company need to disclose it, quickly. Before they do, they need to be certain that whatever is said will actually make this very bad situation better.

281 responses to “Brady makes bad situation worse by admitting to destroying phone

  1. Hahahaha. I actually give TB credit for not simply saying he lost the phone and admitting he destroyed it but dude had to know how that would look when he’s trying to appeal.

  2. If I had naked pics of my wife on my phone and a weasel like Ted Wells wanted to see the phone, I wouldn’t listen to what my lawyers said either. I would promptly destroy the phone.

  3. You could have a video of Tom Brady leaking air out of the footballs while tearing up the NFL rulebook and laughing the entire time and Pats fans would say, “Well, you don’t have any real proof that he did it.”

  4. The only difference between Tom Brady and Aaron Hernandez is different crimes.

    They’re both criminals.

    The Patriots Legacy will forever be tainted.

    Deal with it Patsie Fans.

    Be ready for decades of futility.

    Thank GOD I’m a Vikings fan.

    My team would never been the rules, we have too much integrity.

  5. to me he had an obvious motive. clearly the investigators wanted to review his phone. and he most likely had some very racy pictures from Gisele that he didn’t want anyone to see. solution? destroy the phone. he wasn’t under instruction from the police to preserve his phone, and if I was in the same situation I wouldn’t want people combing thru my phone and reading all my text messages. all of a sudden, there are “sources” disclosing what was on your phone and personal pictures from your wife just start showing up on the internet. Brady is smarter than that.

    he will win in court

  6. Pretty sure if they want those text messages they can get them from the phone company…..Brady’s suspension will be wiped out completely in court. Everyone knew with the NFLPA not accepting anything below a wipe of the suspension that the NFL was going to uphold this. Smell ya Goodell.

  7. I request that Florio turn over all of his electronic devices, personal or otherwise, because I feel certain he may have done something wrong in the past……

    and I promise, after screening said drvices, nothing of any personal matter will be leaked……

    Does the 5th amendment not mean anything? Does it not end up being in play after all is said and done?

    King Goodell is a reactionary idiot……

  8. Not cooperating with the investigation, then destroying evidence. It should have been worse. It’s all about the cover up.

  9. I wonder if Brady realizes in a civil lawsuit he will be compelled to answer that and other questions that the 5th amendment won’t protect him from.

  10. If he had nothing to hide, he would not have destroyed the phone. Goodell absolutely should nail this cheater to the wall.

  11. It was a accident?

    Seriously though, what could Brady’s legal defense be at this point?

  12. Brady is laughing all the way to the Hall of Fame. He doesn’t give a RIP about his reputation or anything. NOBODY pushes Tom Brady around. If this really is that big of a deal, rip the Super Bowl title from them…. if not then this is much to do about nothing.
    BENDING the rules to the point of breaking them is in New England’s DNA.
    They just don’t care until they get caught and then they go all Bill Laimbeer … [the only man in the NBA to have never committed a personal foul because the refs kept screwing up. ]

  13. Legacy ruined, tainted4ever.

    bwahahahahahahahahha ****

    Deflatriots = serial cheaters.

  14. Take it to court and subpena the text messages.. not hard. Text messages not lost forever when deleted, they are stored by the telco.

  15. Hmmm maybe Brady cheated afterall, huh?. These boards have been overflowing with fools who think Brady was innocent, in part because the author incited them with stories that ignored major facts about this case. Tom Brady is a lying CHEATER. End of story.

  16. No matter what, if you think the Pats have been this successful because of a deflated football, you are, in fact, a moron. Enjoy your imaginary asterisks, I’ll continue referring to the official record books. Good luck to Tommy in court. I think I’m checking out of the NFL early, this garbage is fit for TMZ. 4-time champs, mic drop.

  17. i hope they subpoena every coach and QB to get the truth from them all. i bet they all inappropriately mess with the footballs.

  18. So he destroyed his phone……..with the text messages sent to the two ballboys phones…….that are property of the NFL? Let me tell you how I think this will play out in court: Judge to NFL lawyer: ‘So you have the other two phones involved in the case?’ NFL Lawyer: ‘Yes your honor’ Judge: “so you saw all the texts between all three individuals?’ NFL Lawyer: ‘Well yeah, but he destroyed his phone!’ Judge: ‘But you still had all the text messages, right?’ NFL Lawyer:’ Yeah, but he destroyed his phone!’ Judge: ‘His own phone, his personal property containing personal information that would have had the same exact texts that you have on the other two NFL phones?’ Lawyer: ‘Yeah, but he destroyed his phone!’ Anyone else see where this is going? And I don’t make $10 grand an hour. Good luck Goodell! LOL

  19. Still can’t figure out why the NFL and players assc. weren’t able to reach a “plea” deal. suspended sentence with 5 years probation, Patriots, Brady get fined for withholding or hindering the investigation. NFL also admits fault in its procedures of checking footballs and announces changes to tighten going forward. Nobody looks like a cheater or boob in this and you move on. Dude.
    Total definition of making a mountain out of a mole hill.

  20. Words are powerful. He is a celebrity that swaps phones on a routine basis, like all celebrities. My guess is that he did this on the last day of Feb/first day of March.Characterize the phone exchange as “destruction” though and you put into the heads of the American population images of ten foot flames or throwing the phone off the Prudential center rather than what it really truly is, which is just a phone swap. The conscious choice of words here points to, yet again, the league’s attempt to manipulate public perception. Is not destruction. It’s just not. But admittedly it does sound better than, “Brady’s routine three month phone exchange.”

  21. Since when did the NFL become a league that would eat it’s own young?

    The NFL is covering for it’s own lax attention to ball inflation. It has never been a big deal until now and all this is happening in the shadow of leaked false information and trumped up charges.

    Goodell has made a mess of the league. What a circus.

  22. The ole Hernandez gambit. Only innocent ppl crush their phones, right?

    Then again, can’t blame Brady. Maybe he should’ve incinerated his cell like the Commish incenerated SpyGate tapes (cue the “I learned it from you, Dad” commercial).

    Oh, and how’s the Deflator Diet going? Hopefully better than Jared’s.

  23. You don’t destroy your cell phone if it clears you of all accusations.

    4 games is too lenient of a suspension. Willingly cheating the game of football and destroying the evidence deserves more than that.

    Brady is lucky to have gotten off with only a 4 game suspension.

  24. It is worth noting that the actual pressure measurements were not made available to the Patriots until March 23, approximately 2 weeks after Brady obtained a new phone and destroyed the old.

    Dumb move by Brady, but doesn’t prove anything, not when the records for that phone can be forensically recovered.

  25. BREAKING: Brady’s cell phone implicates coach Belicheck and that’s why he will NOT go to court.

    Sorry Pats fans, but the tea leaves say Kraft conceded for the same reason.

  26. I’m waiting for the CLUE Deflategate boardgame version to come out.

    It was Brady in the Locker Room with a Hammer.
    It was the Ball Boy in the Bathroom with acid.

    Could be good. I smell licensing royalties for the NFL.

  27. If there is any hint of an excuse for destroying it the Pat’s fans will cling to it most tenaciously. He’s a great QB and a certain hall of famer. Quit whining pat’s fans and live with a little tarnish.

  28. And so it’s reasonable to assume that Brady was trying to hide something.
    ======================

    Yes, it is.

  29. Tom Brady should have come out and said I like the ball to be on the low end of the legal limit. They may have let out to much this time
    Sorry. Thete may have been a small fine.
    It always the cover up.

  30. Am i the only one who understands how text messages works.. brady sends one from his phone it would show up on one of the other two phones the NFL **HAS**, last i heard those messages they think were sent were not either of the phones the NFL ***HAS***.

    Considering the titanic like leaks the nfl office has I wouldnt hand over my phone with all that personal crap on it, probably including the type of pics married people send each other, that would have been on tmz faster then jim irsay gets into a fresh bottle of adderal.

  31. I’ll tell you what, Joe “goat” Montana would NEVER destroy his rotary phone or burn his checkered notebook. FACT.

    #Nobodyhasitbetterthanus
    #49ers2015NFCWESTCHAMPS!

  32. he didnt tamper with the footballs
    he didnt tell them to deflate the balls
    the colts set him up
    the colts will be penalized
    he wont be suspended
    the fines and docked picks wont stand
    bradys suspension wont stand
    brady will win the appeal
    brady will win in court

    LOL what a disgraced and tainted franchise and fanbase. good riddance.

  33. In light of new evidence we have decided to add four more games to Brady’s suspension. Seems like the right (Ray Rice) thing to do.

  34. The NFL is playing a PR game with this extraneous piece of info that was leaked just prior to Goodell’s appeal ruling.

    Brady already refused to hand over his phone and the NFL had no right to compel such production. The fact that the phone was destroyed does not change the material facts. The NFL believes it can demonize Brady and give him an appearance of guilt they can’t prove.

    If Kessler thought otherwise they would have cut a deal.

  35. How was this phone “destroyed”?I can easily pull the data off that phone and some businesses specialize it. The only way to truly erase that data in by deliberately doing it…wiping program , shredding…..

    Where’s the old phone?

  36. Ok Pats fans, are you going to deny this means anything too? I don’t hate the Pats at all. And I don’t care about the stupid Wells report; it was garbage, especially on light of what Wells was paid. And I agree that, to me, the punishment exceeded the crime. But the bottom line is there is NO WAY those balls are the way they are without Brady’s ok. No way. Not a chance. None. Unfortunately some of you Pat fans are over the top ridiculous the way you defend everything

  37. Its funny because him destroying his cell phone is admissible in federal court. Even funnier, most things (Phone, records, etc.) are admissible in court and will never be heard. Funniest of all is Brady will play week 1 once he files case as they won’t hear case for some time

  38. Yes, it’s a game-changer. Despite what the Pats Fans Junior Lawyers and Scientists Brigade wants to claim, from their bubble world.

    This not only makes Brady look like a total cover-upper, it validates Goodell’s suspension on grounds of non-cooperation. There’s no arguing with that now.

    I never thought I’d agree with Goodell on anything, but there’s a first for everything.

    Of course, the PFJL&SB will likely claim that the Ideal Gas Law proves that the phone destroyed itself, with no help from Brady.

  39. No innocent man destroys his cellphone. Seriously, what is there to hide tom? Good luck in court and enjoy the long offseason.

    Not even lance Armstrong has such delusional fans as the patriots do.

  40. I guess those Pats fans can stop pretending that Brady can do no wrong. Everyone knew he was lying at the press conference he did in February, and he now clearly shows his guilt by destroying his cell phone. He’s lucky to only get four games.

  41. Brady should be happy it wasn’t increased after he destroyed evidence. I bet he would have gotten more if the NFL knew of this before the original decision. It’s not the air pressure that matters. It’s the cover up. Who was Brady protecting? Kraft and Belichick would be my guess.

  42. Yup. 100% a Pats fan and have been a supporter of Brady. I think the NFL has handled this like a bunch of sleazeballs, but with the cell phone info coming out it just makes him look even worse – hard to believe him when he does something like that. Sure is a bummer – good luck with your legacy Tom.

  43. Wait… is this story about Tom Brady or Aaron Hernandez? Where’s Bill Belicheat’s phone? Who believes Belicheat did not speak to Brady until more than 3 days after the Deflategate story erupted. That’s what the Wells report stated. We’re supposed to believe this longtime duo were not in close contact after the story broke, even though it threatened Brady’s availability for the Super Bowl.

  44. I’d like to know how anyone can still believe he’s innocent after he admits to destroying the evidence that should presumably exonerate him.

  45. Goodell: You want answers?

    Pat Fans: I think I’m entitled to.

    Goodell: *You want answers?*

    Pat Fans: *I want the truth!*

    Goodell: *You can’t handle the truth!*

  46. Free Jim McNally and John Jastremski, let them speak the truth on deflating!

  47. Arrogance is always a very bad attitude to have. Nobody is above the law Tammy. Glad to see Florio has seen the light. Finally the Quacks like duck has gotten threw……Quack Quack…

  48. thepftpoet says:
    Jul 28, 2015 4:05 PM
    The only difference between Tom Brady and Aaron Hernandez is different crimes.

    They’re both criminals.

    The Patriots Legacy will forever be tainted.

    Deal with it Patsie Fans.

    Be ready for decades of futility.

    Thank GOD I’m a Vikings fan.

    My team would never been the rules, we have too much integrity.
    ____________________________
    Adrian Peterson….Integrity?

    What?

  49. Love the Pats but this is just one misstep after another. Take care of small problems before they become big problems. Sound advice they should have followed.

  50. Time to break & bring your old cellphones to gameday Jets fans – don’t have an AFC favorite, but can’t wait to see Pats miss playoffs because of this – AFC East looks tough this year.

  51. This is not a bad situation. If there are any texts they would be on phones belonging to Jastremski or McNally. Maybe he does have something to hide, but who’s to say it has anything to do with deflating footballs.

  52. The real loss here is all the advanced cheating techniques we’ll never get to know about now.

  53. WOW! The one and only time I’ve given the ol’ “thumbs up” to thepftpoet. I feel sick!

    And yet Pat fans will defend this cheat.

  54. This is not shocking, that he would destroy evidence. He was caught in a multi-year cheating scandal, in which his part in the illegal deflation of footballs allowed him to post an abnormally low turnover ratio in a bad-weather, outdoor stadium. His cheating got him extra wins, extra playoff games, and extra contract money and endorsement money. No surprise that he would willingly destroy evidence to hide these facts.

  55. “Moreover, the decision to destroy the phone under those circumstances confirms the stereotypical “I do what I want” attitude that a multi-million-dollar quarterback with a supermodel wife and a house with a moat would be expected to project.”

    Geeze, jealous much?

  56. thepftpoet says:
    Jul 28, 2015 4:05 PM
    The only difference between Tom Brady and Aaron Hernandez is different crimes.

    They’re both criminals.

    =========================

    Posting utterly nonsense like this serves no point, other than to make clear the intellectual gifts of the poster.

  57. It sounds like he taking advice from legal genius De Smith. Forget the PA lawyers and stick with Kessler.

    It is doubtful a lawyer of his caliber would have advised his client in this fashion.

  58. Actually it was admitting he destroyed his phone that got us here, it’s the fact that he DESTROYED his phone.

    Those are two different things. Unless you’re suggesting he should have lied about having destroyed it.

  59. Don’t no innocent man breaks his phone the day he is about to get investigated, than uses the excuses well I destroy all my phones after I get a new one is hilarious

  60. Once once Goodell finds out Stephen A. Smith reported it first, and seeing PFT said he was wrong when he did, I’m sure he will overturn the suspension.

  61. Florio, Looks like you have changed your position on Brady with this new news. A position i have held since he would not comply with the investigation. If you have nothing to hide, why not comply……..

  62. The sad part is that Pats fans still denying wrongdoing, is not the fact that the balls were 0.5 below PSI, but Brady destroyed evidence what made matters worst.

  63. I have a hard time believing that it was just deflated balls on his phone (pun intended). I mean really, why would you go through the trouble of destroying your phone if you were innocent? I would bet if he had nothing to hide but deflated balls and if he had surrendered his phone as requested he probably would have just been fined.

  64. Lets not forget the spoilation of evidence doctrine. If this gets to a place where subpoena power exists FRCP 37 will doom Brady.

  65. What you have to understand is there is one question every reporter, NFLPA officer and Circuit Court Judge is going to want to know the answer to, “Why did you destroy the phone Tom?” Until Tom Brady can answer that question his legacy is forever tarnished, the suspension will stand and we will not be heading to court. Innocent people do not destroy evidence, guilty people do not go running into court.

  66. northeastkiller says:
    Jul 28, 2015 4:05 PM
    Hitched your cart to the wrong horse in turning this place into a Truther Pats fan site for months, Mike.

    You’re killing me dude, along with ANYONE that says “Florio is so biased towards the Pats.” Ummmm, no – read all of Florio’s posts, including ones from the early days of this situation. In fact, if you pull every article written on the subject, I guarantee you could put a case together that proves Florio has been the most objective writer on the subject.

    Sadly, most people are not that smart and cannot figure these things out. Such as yourself.

  67. The text messages can be retrieved. Goodells basis of upholding is without the phone is texts cant be retrieved but that simply isnt true. We all knew Goodell wasnt going to overturn this, he found his excuse so off to court the NFL goes AGAIN.

  68. Pats fans:
    “Tom Brady can do whatever he pleases and is above the NFL, its rules, players, and teams.”

    Tom Brady: “I’m Tom Brady and I approved this message.”

  69. Yes, it’s a game changer, except in the bubble world of the Pats Fan Junior Lawyers and Scientists Brigade. And it totally backs up Goodell’s suspension based on lack of cooperation with the investigation.

    For as much as Pats fans hammer on Kraft, I think he finally came to realize the truth about Brady. And stood down after some nice-sounding public support.

    I’m sorry but Tom Brady has let you down, not Robert Kraft. Kraft’s not the one who destroyed potential evidence.

  70. Remember when Pats said Kesseler was gonna destroy the NFL? Turns out you’ve wrong every time. Don’t bet the house on your next guess.

    Don Yee approves this message.

  71. It’s not a good look. I’ve remained relatively quiet on this subject not really knowing the whole story. We all had to endure three paragraph essays, scientific experiment talks, and incessant whining from Pats’ fans while trying to defend someone who is obviously guilty. This pretty much seals the deal for me. Dude is a cheater. However, I really wanted both he and Bell to play week one to keep it real.

  72. Regardless of if he destroyed the phone, wouldn’t the texts they would be interested in already be on the phones they had from the equipment guys? Or are they looking to find some texts to someone else?

  73. This changes nothing. The carrier has all records of texts which can be subpoenaed in a lawsuit. The court of public opinion has already been established. Brady haters now hate him more, while logical and rational people think this is the biggest joke in the history of pro sports.

  74. wte1 says:
    Jul 28, 2015 4:05 PM

    If I had naked pics of my wife on my phone and a weasel like Ted Wells wanted to see the phone, I wouldn’t listen to what my lawyers said either. I would promptly destroy the phone.

    But remember it got to the point where Wells didn’t even ask for the phone to be given to him to keep. He only wanted Brady to show him the texts between him and the trainers and yet he still refused.

  75. So there is this false argument being advanced that cell phone destruction is normal for Cheating Tom, every 4 months (or whatnot) whenever he gets a new phone.

    This flies in the face of the fact that:

    “The NFL Players’ Association hired a forensic expert, Brad Maryman, to review two of Brady’s cellphones — one used from spring 2014 to Nov. 5, 2014 and the other from March 6 to April 8 — and submit a report for the appeal hearing.”

    So why werent those phones destroyed??

    That is from a BostonGlobe.com article dated today

  76. All this essentially makes the science–and the other deficiencies in the Wells report–irrelevant. The destruction of evidence results in an appropriate legal inference of guilt. Coupled with the admitted obstruction of his employer’s investigation, the league’s suspension of Brady is not only justified, but was necessary.

    Can’t pin this one on Goodell. If I had been adamantly supporting Brady I’d be pissed and disillusioned. As it is, I’m bothered as a football fan. I really enjoy watching the guy play; truly one of the greatest ever. No one, however, is above the game.

  77. if staubach or julius erving, my childhood heroes, were caught cheating, i’d condemn them in a heartbeat. to me, it looks like pats fans are OK with cheating.

  78. wte1 says:
    Jul 28, 2015 4:05 PM
    If I had naked pics of my wife on my phone and a weasel like Ted Wells wanted to see the phone, I wouldn’t listen to what my lawyers said either. I would promptly destroy the phone.
    ———————————————-
    Good point. It’s not like there are any provocative pictures of his wife on the net or in magazines. Yes, he must have done it for that reason.
    Not because he has a habit of cheating and he wanted to hide it.
    Patriots are cheaters. It’s that simple and their fans support the cheating.

  79. Brady is going to hurt his legacy more if he keeps this thing going. He should accept the punishment, move on from it, and use it as motivation to shove it in every ones face by winning another Super Bowl. This coming from a dolphins fan who hates the pats but has the utmost respect for them.

  80. My confidence in Brady’s intelligence is indeed shaken.

    There was no need to do this, when no footballs were below the pressure at which they would naturally be due to the weather, and when the NFL had no right to your phone anyway.

  81. Serious question here – How does destroying a phone destroy all the text messages? Doesn’t the cell phone carrier have a record of all the texts and must give that information to a court of law if subpeoned?

  82. This all smacks of a set up

    As PFT has reminded readers on numerous occasions, the NFL never demanded Brady’s cellphone

    They simply asked that Brady voluntarily release relevant texts of emails – regarding a deflation that AEI and numerous other experts in the Laws of Physics stated NEVER HAPPENED

    Perhaps, as part of the appeal process the NFL changed it’s tune in yet another effort to go fishing for evidence of something that never happened

    If that happened, Brady and his attorneys may have simply said “Sorry, it’s gone”

    This was NEVER going to be resolved fairly by Goodell – I’ll wait til Brady has his say in court. He’s been wise to wait to speak his peace thus far, even amid constant leaks from the NFL

  83. Hmmmm, so I guess Tom doesn’t back up his phone with his iCloud or iTunes?

    I almost would think that he would make sure the phone was not destroyed to prove his innocence. Hmmmm

  84. It’s reasonable to believe that Tom Brady is hiding something. So, I guess we, as the PFT faithful, need a lawyers explanation as to whether and to what extent Tom Brady’s 10,000 text messages will become public domain? Do the lawyers for Brady ask the judge to seal all documents? Does EVERYTHING from the Brady appeal become public once it becomes evidence in the court battle? Obviously, this is a pointed question. Clearly Brady has something to hide. I’m wondering if he is hiding evidence of cheating at football, or evidence of nekad photos of a supermodel wife, or both or neither (something else)?

  85. Um, no, the 5th Amendment has nothing to do with it. The 5th Amendment only protects you from GOVERNMENTAL searches and seizures. There is no government involvement here.

  86. northeastkiller says:
    Jul 28, 2015 4:05 PM
    Hitched your cart to the wrong horse in turning this place into a Truther Pats fan site for months, Mike.
    ——————————————————

    THIS. Hopefully they’ll scurry back under the rug now.

  87. And why can they not supeaona (sp??) the phones of the 2 dudes that were on the other end of the text messages??? This seems pretty easy….

  88. Let me get this right….

    Did Tom Brady go all “AARON HERNANDEZ” on his phone???

    Ok even PAT fans have to be able to laugh at the irony… Or if your a die hard Pats fan, cry…

    Whether or not he’s guilty is now irrelevant. He has made himself look guilty by his own actions.

  89. I guess they can blame the cold weather also.? Yeah Mr. Goodell, my hand froze and the phone fell of my hand. Pathetic franchise.

  90. thepftpoet says:
    Jul 28, 2015 4:05 PM

    The only difference between Tom Brady and Aaron Hernandez is different crimes.

    They’re both criminals.

    The Patriots Legacy will forever be tainted.

    Deal with it Patsie Fans.

    Be ready for decades of futility.

    Thank GOD I’m a Vikings fan.

    My team would never been the rules, we have too much integrity.
    —————————————-
    As a Viking fan and one that now believes with certaintly that Brady is guilty, WOULD YOU PLEASE JUST SHUT THE HECK UP????

  91. The NFL never asked for possession of his phone. They asked for a transcript of the text. For those of you with the “he had naked pictures of his wife on there” train of thought, again, they didn’t want to take possession of his phone.

    The fact that he deliberately destroyed it is very telling. Also, I don’t believe the ball PSI affected the outcome of the AFC Championship game. However, how long has he been doing this?

  92. I mentioned this week’s ago, suggesting TB seek to retain counsel educated in New Have as oposed to Cambridge. Personally I could have easily done without this whole ordeal, and just as easily gotten past, as well as even supported Brady, but for the interview immediately after the story broke. Even if it were true that he had no knowledge of anything, that interview left a bad taste in my mouth and now we know why. Damn shame for .5 lbs psi of competitive advantage. For future reference, it’s the cover up and the lying that gets ya kids. I would imagine if he has an ounce in him we’ll finally see some contrition. Save it Tommy.

  93. xcerebus1 says:
    Jul 28, 2015 4:09 PM

    How can you still be so ignorant as to how this text thing works? Ted Wells looked at JJ and JM’s PATRIOT ISSUED phones, not their personal phones. So anything Tom text to their PERSONAL phones was not seen by anyone, anything tom texted to Belicheck or Kraft was NOT seen. Just b/c we saw JJ and JM’s WORK ISSUED phones does not mean we know whats on Tom’s personal phone.

  94. Who cares about the cell phone? The text messages are saved on a server by the cell phone company, and could easily be retrieved.

  95. The lack of understanding by some of you posters is staggering. This has nothing to do with the Constitution or the law. He wasn’t being investigated by the police he was being investigated by the league, and/or, their representative. If you feel the Constitution has anything to do with this, please do us all a favor and stay home on election day, you clearly are too ill informed to have a say in anything important.

  96. There go the trophies. There go the rings. No one is ever going to consider NE a championship team. Very sad.

  97. You know who is suddenly in hiding ….Lolatpatshaters..TeeHee.come out come out and play you little coward. Funny how your arrogant self is hiding…… Baby.

  98. bigbenh8tr says:
    Jul 28, 2015 4:18 PM

    thepftpoet says:
    Jul 28, 2015 4:05 PM
    The only difference between Tom Brady and Aaron Hernandez is different crimes.

    They’re both criminals.

    The Patriots Legacy will forever be tainted.

    Deal with it Patsie Fans.

    Be ready for decades of futility.

    Thank GOD I’m a Vikings fan.

    My team would never been the rules, we have too much integrity.
    ____________________________
    Adrian Peterson….Integrity?

    What?
    —————————————————-
    I was with him till the last line. Then he went all delusional fan on us. As a Pats fan I know one when I see one 😉

  99. It will be interesting if the NFLPA does take it and loses after Bradys phone service provider is subpoena’d and has to provide his stored texted that show a massive conspiracy by Tom, et al.
    Will the league then fine all involved again?

  100. Everyone kept saying the NFL was making a mistake and that they should stop fighting and just settle before they lose in court and look stupid. Well to me I think it’s Brady who should stop fighting.

    Look right now a lot of people think he’s a cheat and always will no matter what happens. To them his legacy is for ever tarnished. But there is also a lot of people unwilling to see it that way until the court of law has their say. But what if the suspension is upheld? Yea some people will still ignore it but most wont. To them he will be a confirmed cheat whose name will forever be associated with people like Barry Bonds. Great but unworthy of being considered 1 of the best.

    He would have nothing left to hide behind. If he didn’t fight it though, there would always be the chance that he could have won his case. Allowing people, no matter how improbable it would be, to believe that everything that happened and was said was just a horrible chain of coincidences.

    Would it be ideal? No, but at least he would have some chance of preserving his diginity. Ask Ryan Braun, fighting and attacking all indignant might fool some, but for the most part it will only make matters a lot worse. You’ll go from a guy who did something selfish and cheated. To an immoral celebrity who isn’t just tainted but hated.

    He would be better off just showing the league and it’s fans who gave him everything some respect and just taking his punishment like a professional.

    (Or you know fight until they lessen your suspension by 1 game, so you can return just in time to seal the deal on an 0-4 Cowboys start to the season)

  101. Does the 5th amendment not mean anything? Does it not end up being in play after all is said and done?
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    Are you joking? Or do you honestly not know the difference between a criminal investigation and an internal company investigation?

    Brady’s not being charged with a crime. No amendment applies. He can simply be fired from his job for not cooperating.

    Btw: that excuse also won’t work in a civil trial.

  102. It will be interesting if the NFLPA does take it to court and loses after Bradys phone service provider is subpoena’d and has to provide his stored text messages that show a massive conspiracy by Tom, et al.
    Will the league then fine all involved again?

  103. Goodell has to go. Tom Brady is the greatest QB and among the highest character players that the NFL has ever seen.
    It is an absolute disgrace that Tom Brady is being treated like a criminal. One of the saddest days – the day when basic human rights are flushed down the toilet by the Commisioner. A denial of justice.

  104. OK……..no defense. Just plain dumb on Brady and his legal teams part. I truly believed nothing was done, no deflating. But now how can I not believe it did. Thanks Tom, Bill, Robert. One of the greatest runs in NFL history all for naught. Never to be truly enjoyed. Now I know how it really feels to be a Steelers, 9ers and Broncos fan and it sucks.

  105. The federal government just finished sinking $6mil into going after Barry Bonds on a waste of time perjury case. They need a new big name to go after when/if Brady says, under oath, that he didn’t do anything wrong.

  106. Brady likely admitted to destroying the phone because otherwise a big part of his appeal could have rested on belated producing it to prove he had nothing to hide.

    Once Wells made an issue of the phone not being produced, this was a no win for Brady no matter what he did or did not admit to.

    So he tried to mitigate by saying he destroyed the phone and trying to make it sound routine.

  107. …. the text messages would still exist through the phone company. Destroying the phone would be about the same as if he had just deleted the messages.

    The destruction of the phone doesn’t change anything. The messages are just as accessible now as they were if the phone still existed

  108. That’s so funny! What kind of lawyer would have him put it in WRITING??

    Brady needs to fire his lawyer/agent and find a new one. The advice he is giving Brady is killing him

    As a Bill’s fan, I know that Brady can play ball with any kind of ball. He could be out there with a dodge ball and still make people look stupid. Suck it up, take your lumps Tom, and get it over with. The longer you fight it, the worse it’s gonna get

  109. spygate (read the book, the cheating got them their first three titles, it wasnt just in 2006)

    deflategate (been going on for years, see the real fumble stats, not the slanted ones the patriots fans came out with)

    * * * *

  110. Tom was very smart to destroy phone. Even smarter at the timing and even smarter at the interview and not disclosing. He was waiting to hear what the punishment was, he was thrilled. Because he knew the NFL could not hand down more games. If this was NHL, he be gone for the season.

  111. “If I had naked pics of my wife on my phone and a weasel like Ted Wells wanted to see the phone, I wouldn’t listen to what my lawyers said either. I would promptly destroy the phone.”

    Wow. You Pats fans are out of your freaking minds.

  112. “Shemp? The only acceptable name that comes after Moe and Larry is Curly.”

    Curly would have told him not to destroy the phone.

  113. Just look at what’s come out of the league office this past year. Who on earth would want to give their phone to people like that? I wouldn’t, and I have absolutely nothing to hide on it. I find it very plausible that any player would do something like this on principle alone.

  114. Here’s his defense, “Yes, I have something to hide, and it has nothing to do with footballs. Here is the scientific evidence explaining why I didn’t need to hide anything related to deflated footballs.”

  115. I’m a Pats fan.

    But I honestly do not see what the heck Brady was hoping to accomplish by revealing that he destroyed his phone. If he actually did destroy it, why tell the commissioner than when you are appealing the prior decision?

    This announcement just doesn’t smell right. I wonder if any of this phone destruction story is fabricated.

    But, if he did actually did destroy the phone, that was a really bad decision by him. They could never have forced him to turn it over. But now, having destroyed it (whatever that means) it looks really bad for him.

    All that said, I do suspect that the players union will still want to take this to court. Either the NFL mishandled the investigation and violated the CBA by having Vincent hand down the suspension, or Goodell was not an appropriate arbitrator. An arbitrator must be a third party that is agreed upon by both parties of the disagreement. Clearly that was not the case, and I expect that a judge would see that and rule that it must be heard by an actual 3rd party.

    However, any change in the outcome will be based on technicalities, and not the Wells report’s glaring shortcomings, or the obvious attempt to “catch them in the act”. So Tom will never be vindicated.

    It is truly a sad state of affairs. The league has no integrity and is willing to run stings on teams, and it appears the teams and players have no integrity either. At this point I don’t know which is worse.

  116. “Not cooperating with the investigation, then destroying evidence. It should have been worse. It’s all about the cover up.”
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    Very Nixonian of Brady. Keeping in the spirit of the “-Gates”. New England is a very good football team; but they do have trouble playing by the rules.

  117. For weeks, nye on months, this has been a boon for sites such as this. So to those that are eager to move on I say this. If there was a Lombardi trophy for insufferable fans, without an astrisks, Goodell just made the presentation to NE.

  118. The telephone company does NOT have records of text messages sent.

    Verizon is the only one of the top four carriers that retains text message content, however, and it keeps that for three to five days. Call detail records, meanwhile, are retained for one year by Verizon, five years for T-Mobile (two years for pre-paid), five to seven years for AT&T, and 18 to 24 months for Sprint.

    So his phone was the only source for those messages and that is why he destroyed the phone.

  119. And Tom Brady MUST submit his cellphone because of the CBA? Because The Emporer said so? Because it ‘looks bad’?

    Why MUST Tom Brady submit his personal property (assuming the Patriots didn’t purchase it)?

  120. Wow, lol. I’m sorry but the first thing that comes to my mind with the immediate “destruction” of his phone is that there is so much more that needs to be hidden. 10,000 texts about JUST deflating footballs? No way, sorry, just sorry. This phone was destroyed because they were up to more than just the footballs.

  121. People do realize that any court case isn’t going to really focus on the NFL’s findings nor rehashing deflate gate right? It will be a secondary concern, but the true focus will be on the whole investigation/sanction process that the NFL and NFLPA agreed to. I get the feeling many don’t understand that. I also get the feeling, especially those who are throwing around the Bill of Rights, really don’t understand what is legally going on here. Anyhow, four games for hindering the NFL’s investigation and aside from the fine that’s the end of it? I don’t see how anyone can be terribly upset by this no matter what their opinion is. Coincidentally, Brady is what 36 or 37 now? He is currently playing on a very good team in a weak division. So he avoids wear and tear on a team destined to make the playoffs while taking a look at that promising young guy they drafted to take over for Brady eventually, it’s time for New England fans to take their small portion of crow to go along with their new Lombardi trophy and shut up.

  122. That was the best his ‘Dream Team’ of lawyers could come up with? Dude must be way dirty in all this.

    “Ahh… He broke it, yea… that’s the ticket”

  123. eyeamlothar says:
    Jul 28, 2015 4:33 PM

    The NFL never asked for possession of his phone. They asked for a transcript of the text. For those of you with the “he had naked pictures of his wife on there” train of thought, again, they didn’t want to take possession of his phone.

    The fact that he deliberately destroyed it is very telling. Also, I don’t believe the ball PSI affected the outcome of the AFC Championship game. However, how long has he been doing this?
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    Doing what? Regardless of him destroying his phone, there is not one shred of evidence that the footballs were tampered with, or one shred of evidence that Tom Brady instructed anyone to tamper with the footballs.

    I’m not even a Patriots fan, just someone with critical thinking skills.

  124. People saying “well they can just pull those text messages from the cloud” dont know what they are talking about.

    Basic details about text messages are stored for years, the actual CONTENT of those messages is typically saved for a few days at most.

    With Brady’s destroyed phone, the content of his text messages is inaccessible other than forensic recovery procedures, except I’m pretty sure Tom would claim that he lost his phone while fishing out in the ocean.

  125. Would really be funny if a TRO is ordered, hearing held in October, case dismissed in December, Brady suspended for playoff games.

  126. When all is said and done, “Brady is obviously a cheater” will stand side by side with “No Superbowls since Spygate” as outdated hater anthems that do not survive the test of time.

  127. tigerlilac says:
    Jul 28, 2015 4:15 PM

    The NFL is playing a PR game with this extraneous piece of info that was leaked just prior to Goodell’s appeal ruling.

    Brady already refused to hand over his phone and the NFL had no right to compel such production. The fact that the phone was destroyed does not change the material facts. The NFL believes it can demonize Brady and give him an appearance of guilt they can’t prove.
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    Demonize, lol. A ridiculous claim.

    The fact is Robert Kraft promised everybody that the Patriots would fully cooperate with the investigators and their ongoing investigation.

    Brady and his legal team did not cooperate in this manner.

    The ultimate appearance of guilt here is Brady destroying his own phone.

  128. Love the Pats but this is just one misstep after another. Take care of small problems before they become big problems. Sound advice they should have followed.
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    So……………is this your way of admitting your team Cheats?

    Best Regards

  129. Just look at what’s come out of the league office this past year. Who on earth would want to give their phone to people like that? I wouldn’t, and I have absolutely nothing to hide on it. I find it very plausible that any player would do something like this on principle alone.
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    The problem is that they only asked Shady to provide them a list of the texts that were on his phone, and were related to the investigation.

    So your excuse makes no sense now huh?

    Best Regards

  130. Another testament to the representation “skills” of yapping Don Yee, who thinks that blind opposition and belligerence always makes his client look good.

  131. From Don Yee’s statement:

    “Finally, as to the issue of cooperation, we presented the Commissioner with an unprecedented amount of electronic data, all of which is incontrovertible. I do not think that any private citizen would have agreed to provide anyone with the amount of information that Tom was willing to reveal to the Commissioner. Tom was completely transparent. All of the electronic information was ignored; we don’t know why. The extent to which Tom opened up his private life to the Commissioner will become clear in the coming days.”

    That obviously was left out of the Commissioners statement.

  132. I love how pats fans will use the fact that it is not a criminal investigation to justify not being compelled to turn over his phone, but want to rely on the same burden of evidence that a criminal court would as far as finding any wrongdoing.

    5th amendment wont protect him in civil court.
    This has never been a “beyond a reasonable doubt” case.

    COMMON SENSE says he broke the rules. Flawed Wells report aside, the ballboys texts say it all. People can keep grasping at straws if they want, but it is clear that he broke the rules. He should have just manned up and admitted his mistake. As it stands, his actions in the cover up are far worse than the crime.

  133. So Stephen A. is vindicated for once.

    He’s now on top while Brady and Jack Trudeau have reached their rock bottoms.

  134. Anyone who thinks he destroyed because of naked pictures of his wife must be brain dead. There is this thing called erase that works just as well. Also as has been reported multiple times Brady didn’t have to surrender the phone just show them, in person the texts. Besides I think he was much more afraid texts from his girl friends would be discovered since his wife started out as his mistress anyway. As they say once a cheater always a cheater.

  135. So, Mr. Florio, in your own words,

    “…it’s a highly questionable tactic to affirmatively admit that the phone was destroyed…”

    So, telling the truth is a bad tactic? Is that your legal advice, Counselor?

  136. Why wouldn’t he just delete the text messages? Wipe the phone and keep it. Doesn’t make sense to destroy it only to hide evidence. It’s a head scratcher .

  137. If I had naked pics of my wife on my phone and a weasel like Ted Wells wanted to see the phone, I wouldn’t listen to what my lawyers said either. I would promptly
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    Maybe he had pics of another supermodel on it. He did leave one for another, so maybe he didn’t his wife to find out. Might as well start spreading rumors around.

  138. And now we know that the NFL has all of the phone records it requested. They have all of the names and emails of everyone who received a text from Brady. I am sort of unhappy that Brady supplied them with that…because he is not required to do that…at any rate, if he had something to hide, he would not have supplied them with that. the next few days will be something!

  139. Remember when you just used to watch games on Sunday and Monday night? Before the NFL became a behemoth business machine, before the media obsessed and dissected EVERY LITTLE DETAIL. We live in a sports world where a team signing their first round pick qualifies as ‘Breaking News’. I guess I’m old school, I just want to watch football instead of hearing about the latest soap opera drama the NFL has become.

  140. The NSA has all of my phone records, texts and emails as well as social media communication…they have all of yours as well….they have Tom (Thumb” Brady’s also). They only thing he could have destroyed was pictures on a data card that weren’t uploaded.

  141. There are two firm rules in New England they are as follows:

    1-Cheat at all costs
    2-Destroy any cell phone(see Aaron Hernandez)

    Tom was following both rules.
    I guess it is true cheaters never win, and winners never cheat.
    This will follow Brady all the way to the Hall of Shame, he lied and he knew it.

  142. Tom must have been in a bar, and his cell phone was looking at him funny, so he set up a hit on his phone.

  143. My thinking is that there are 32 ball boys out there that are going to deliver to their QB’s footballs that the QB favors and sometimes those balls are out of spec. Now somebody’s been caught.

    But to destroy the phone backs everyone into a corner. At this point the best thing for his reputation is to take the four games, show what kind of team mate you really are and throw your full support and assistance to the man who is keeping the seat warm.

  144. tazman1996 says:
    Jul 28, 2015 4:06 PM

    Does the 5th amendment not mean anything? Does it not end up being in play after all is said and done?

    King Goodell is a reactionary idiot……
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    in civil cases the judge may tell the jury that invoking the 5th may be considered an admission of guilt…and this isnt even a civil case, its a violation of workplace policy

  145. I don’t get it, was he supposed to lie about destroying the phone? You insinuate that he had a choice in whether to disclose that or not. You can’t just hide bad facts in these things, the point is to develop the facts so a decision can be reached.

  146. varangia says:
    Jul 28, 2015 6:03 PM
    If the NFL can’t prove their case without Brady helping them, then that’s their problem.
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    “obstruction” is a formal part of their case, and Brady just handed it to them on a silver platter

  147. Yes, cheating is wrong and I get that Tom (and anyone else involved in this tiresome story) should be punished. But really, does anyone out there REALLY believe that air pressure in those footballs had anything to do with a very lopsided loss by the Colts??? REALLY???? I think they should take away a draft pick or two and fine Brady $1 million. End of story and then the season will play out the way it should.

  148. Should have made the suspension longer. In the new bargaining agreement the NFL has to push for the possibility of the suspension being increased on appeal. This can be the trigger to get goodell to give up appeal rights. Too many appeals with the near automatic assumption that it will be reduced.

  149. Let’s not overlook the possibility that the destruction of the phone had nothing to with text messages between him and a couple of ball boys. And no, I’m not talking about naked pictures of his wife or it being destroyed because that’s just what he does.

    Perhaps he doesn’t want other information contained in the phone to go public. Information that could implicate Belichick, or perhaps information on some other form of cheating by the Patriots that we don’t even know about yet; its not like this is the first time anyone in that organization was caught breaking the rules. Or maybe the phone contained evidence of him being less than faithful to his wife; which would be information he certainly wouldn’t want to be uncovered during the process of this investigation.

  150. In the final analysis, I don’t know which is worse; the PR story that the Deflator got his nick name because he was trying to lose weight or Brady destroyed his cell phone but he is still innocent?

    Either way, you have to be a certifiable idiot or a Pat’s fan (is there any difference?) to believe either story.

  151. This thing is over. . .that Goodell letter slams every point made by Brady including the science. They had the AEI guy saying he had no problem with Exponent work they DID include timing in their EXPERIMENTS. . . not just a rehash of the data.

    This concludes that the balls were tampered with. In addition, Brady admits the LR guys would not do anything with the balls that he didn’t know about or consent to.

    Funny how those guys didn’t come to the hearing LOL

    This is finished. . .he cheated. Done!!

  152. Text messages do go through a cell tower, and the cell tower does send a signal to the TelCo, but the cell tower, the TelCo, nor a cloud keep track of the text messages. All the TelCo is able to release is from what phone, to what phone, the length of the call and what cell tower.

    The from what phone and the length of call is kept for billing purposes, and depending on the TelCo, the records are kept from two months to (in some cases) up to a year.

    The NSA (I can remember when it was called ‘No Such Agency’, even with multiple marked entrances to the B-W Parkway notwithstanding) would possibly be the best bet for the content of text messages, but getting them to release honest information is like pulling hen’s teeth. The NSA, though, says it only records from who to who to, and length of call.

  153. Take the punishment and move on. We now know for sure you were guilty or you wouldn’t have destroyed your phone. Man up, get over it or just retire. Give it up.

  154. He handled this thing terribly since the start. Most fans (and I’m counting myself in that group) would have quickly forgiven/forgotten had he simply issued a statement acknowledging he had some part in those guys adjusting the footballs which is what their texts clearly demonstrated. (Forget what might be on Brady’s phone: The texts we’ve already seen made it clear he was directly involved.) Instead, he just had to try to get off entirely but without actually denying anything. That was a horrible strategy and it totally backfired.

  155. The only difference between Tom Brady and Aaron Hernandez is different crimes.

    They’re both criminals.

    The Patriots Legacy will forever be tainted.

    Deal with it Patsie Fans.

    Be ready for decades of futility.

    Thank GOD I’m a Vikings fan.

    My team would never been the rules, we have too much integrity.
    ____________________________
    Adrian Peterson….Integrity?

    What?
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    I was with him till the last line. Then he went all delusional fan on us. As a Pats fan I know one when I see one

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    Tom Brady is not a criminal — an equipment violation has nothing to do with criminal activity or murder — get a grip.

    You are right though–I saw the delusional part earlier when this guy thanked God he was a Vikings fan. That’s worse than the sentence Hernandez got.

  156. He is party to a collective bargaining agreement that specifies that players “cooperate” with investigations.

    The NFL now has you believing that to cooperate is to turn over your cell phone, your tablet, your laptop, you bank accounts, your credit card receipts, or WHATEVER THE **** IT IS THAT WE SAY THAT WE WANT.

    The CBA doesn’t define cooperation that way. No sane person would. No judge would. They had no right to his phone or his personal communications, so it matters not even a bit, to a judge, whether they still exist or not.

  157. Tthey say he should have been honest when first questioned about deflating the footballs now because he was honest saying he destroyed his phone he needs to be hung in the court of public opinion and by the ever steadfast and reliable Roger. Which is it folks? What do you want ?blood I reckon. Nothing will satisfy a hater.

    I hope he kicks the sniveling snitching Ravens and Colts butts again this year. Serves those crybabies right.

  158. Brady said when he was asked for the relevant texts and emails, he would not comply because it would set a bad precedent for others who were facing NFL discipline. That the NFL had no subpoena power. Did he again lie because he had the cell phone destroyed?

  159. This reminds me of one of those fake political stories, where something happens that has no bearing on the controversy at hand, but it’s seized by one side to claim that it proves something.

    Brady wasn’t turning over the phone anyway, so what difference does it make, if he tossed it in the trash or not. Am I missing something here? No one in this day and age leaves an old cellphone around, with personal information on it. You get a new one, you chuck the old one.

  160. I think it’s pretty lame how Patriots fans refer to Tom Brady as “Tommy”.

    Like, that’s kinda weird.

  161. I really don’t know what is more lame. The fact that the guy cheated or the ridiculous number of PATs fans coming in here still defending the guy. Yeah… we all take sledge to out old phone when we get a new one. And please stop saying it is because he had pictures of his wife. You do that with google you don’t need his phone for that.

  162. Innocent Tom musta been heartbroken realizing he destroyed the cell phone that coulda proven him worthy of the HOF. Did he mistakenly drop it in his mote?

    Let him be pummeled with cell phones at the most peculiar moments for the rest of his years.

  163. To me, this whole phone thing is funny. There are many, many phones hanging from the trees here behind my house. I am an auto mechanic, you see… with many ‘friends..”

    This stupid DeflateGate thing is starting to look like NFL uber-herpes, sorry. Who is going to step up and settle it, obviously current leadership can’t handle it.

  164. We should all take a sledge hammer to our old hard drives. The irony is he didn’t have to cheat.

  165. Oh please Mike, stop with the “Larry, Curly Moe” law firm; oh yes, if only Tom Brady had listened to the advice of Mike Florio. He knows better than Yee, Kessler et al.

  166. Tom noticed that the IRS and Louis Lerner could destroy evidence and get away with it. Then he noticed that Hillary Clinton could do the same thing. I guess he figured that he wouldn’t suffer any consequences as well.

    Maybe if he makes a large public donation to the democrat party, all charges will be dropped. We know the left-wing main stream media (including NBC) would never mention it again. Heck, our corrupt Justice Department and MSNBC might even throw him a party.

  167. voiceofreason01 says:
    Jul 28, 2015 4:09 PM

    Hernandez, now brady. I guess destroying evidence really is the patriot way.

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    Don’t forget the Spygate video tapes being burnt.

  168. Everyone Relax,

    The text messages would be stored on the server from the people he has phone service with. The funny thing is he may not know that.

    Now if he appeals they will get a court order for his phone records with the messages and everything will be in the open.

    I know Tom would never read these comments but if anyone in his camp is; please let him know that the texts are basically emails. Copies of them are backed up on the servers, the truth will come out – what ever he tried to hid.

  169. Am I missing something here? All phone information would be stored at the database of the phone company, Brady’s phone itself is worthless. What does this matter? And did Brady actually use the word “destroyed”, or did he simply say he replaced it?

  170. zorn2largent says:

    Should have used snapchat.

    =========================

    Eldrick Brady and Giselle Nordegren.

  171. This whole situation has been Nixonian. Paranoia is always the downfall. Nixon was very likely to win re-election in ’76 but broke the law to get an even (slightly) bigger advantage. The 2015 Pats were most likely the best team in the NFL but their best player felt the need to cheat to get (what I assume) is one of the most insignificant advantages. It’s almost sadder than it is infuriating.

  172. With no skin in this, part of me actually believed Brady had no hand in this. That part has come and gone, this 6th rounder is all smoke and mirrors, with a lot of help from Tuck Rules, videotaping and flat balls.

  173. I’m sure Mr. Giselle Bundchen can produce records from his phone company over the years, that will clearly demonstrate his habit of “destroying” phones???? Right Tommy?

  174. I guess the way to ask this is with a thumbs up thumbs down pole.

    How many people have naked pictures of their wife on their phone? Thumbs up if yes. Thumbs down if you don’t.

    I ask because so many people assume he destroyed the phone because he had naked pictures of his wife on it that he didn’t want people to see.

    As for the cop-out answer, “I would if I had a super-model for a wife,” remember, it is normal for him to see her naked in person almost anytime he wants.

    I know of one guy who did had a topless photo of his wife. It was shortly after she had implants. He deleted it within weeks, because he didn’t want it to be seen by others unintentionally.

    Wife… not girlfriend. Wife. So if you are 21 dating a crazy college girl who will do almost anything, that doesn’t apply.

  175. He can give them the electronic records easily. If he had an iPhone, they are easily retrievable.

    If they had the texts from the two employees, they would have the texts from Brady.

    NFLPA is obviously going to argue they wanted the phone despite the faulty evidence that led to them calling the Patriots guilty.

  176. Cheater what a cut good for you Tommy girl u do not deserve to be in Hall of fame if u make it your legacy is tarnished

  177. Considering the QB and Head Coach are cheaters and the owner sells poisonous GMO food, proven to cause cancer, diabetes, and more bad disorders, I am not surprised…thing is, if the Dolphins win the AFC East I would really prefer it be with Brady playing all 16 games and thus would be a real victory, unlike the mirage of 2008 when they won the division when Brady went down.

  178. trollaikman8 says:
    Jul 28, 2015 5:04 PM

    Tom “Livestrong” Brady

    Can’t wait for his first public appearance.

    ————-

    Armstrong was systematically running an illegal drug and blood doping ring involving many other riders over a decade. Brady may have known about footballs being deflated that may have helped him grip it easier in rainy conditions.

    It doesn’t quite seem like the same level of offence even if Brady is guilty.

  179. Legally, this is very simple:

    Anyone who knows, or who should know, that he will be involved in a lawsuit has a duty to preserve all relevant evidence. Failure to do so is subject to sanction and is known as “spoliation of evidence.”

    Courts don’t want people destroying evidence, so they make it so there is no incentive to do so. If you destroy any piece of evidence that is relevant to a case, it will be inferred that the evidence would have been the worst thing possible for your case.

    Therefore, since Brady destroyed the cellphone a Federal Judge will almost certainly find (“draw a negative inference”) that the information on the phone would have contradicted Brady’s claims and supported those of the NFL. To phrase that differently, a Judge will determine that the destroyed cellphone is proof that Brady ordered “the Deflator” to deflate the footballs, told him to deceive the officials, and that he knew this was in violation of NFL rules.

    (The moral of the story. Never destroy evidence. Unless you are guilty.)

    Given that there is evidence (see above) that Brady knowingly ordered a Patriots employee to violate NFL rules, any lawsuit will certainly fail.

  180. As others have written, this notion that “the phone company has all his texts” is offered only by those who are unfamiliar with how the industry works….the carrier will have records of texts being sent between Brady’s number and another person’s, but they don’t store the actual content of the texts for more than 10 days at most. I’m a state prosecutor,so I’ve had to deal with this issue more times than I care to count,and that’s just how it is. Think about it….do you realize how much space it would take to store the content of every text message you’ve ever sent? Now how about every text message that every customer has sent? It would require an unfathomable amount of storage, and they just aren’t gonna do that. So phone company records would be totally useless here.

  181. “he will win in court”

    You think so? How many people in court do you know of that have their phones destroyed when they know the authorities want them, and not lose because it looks like a guilty act?

    Hes toast. Thats damming evidence. I dont think they even asked for pictures, and he could have had his dumb lawyer look through the phone and verbally tell the nfl about certain texts they already had a bead on.

  182. “Wouldn’t he have been ‘counseled’ to not say something like that?
    Really seems strange.”

    Which is why i think this has been going on for years and the NFL told him to destroy the phone. Because it makes no sense he cant get the texts from the phone company, unless he already ordered them destroyed also.The phone company would never publicly say on a private account.

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