NFL offered Brady “at least 50 percent” reduction in exchange for admission of guilt

Before Roger Goodell the Arbitrator upheld Patriots quarterback Tom Brady’s four game suspension, Roger Goodell the Commissioner offered to make a deal with Brady.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the NFL was willing to drop the suspension by “at least 50 percent” if Brady: (1) admitted to having knowledge of whatever John Jastremski and Jim McNally were doing to the footballs; (2) admitted to failing to cooperate with the Ted Wells investigation; and (3) apologized.

It’s believed that Brady’s suspension would have been dropped at least to two games, with the possibility of dropping it to one if he were sufficiently persuasive and profuse in his acceptance of guilt.

Although Goodell has ruled, settlement talks can continue because the litigation is just getting started. And if Brady were inclined to cry “uncle,” he could get the suspension reduced by two (or maybe three) games.

Unless the federal judge who ultimately handles the case tells Brady that he’ll definitely lose in court if he doesn’t take the deal, Brady likely won’t be settling. Even then, he may prefer not accepting responsibility and sitting out four games to confessing and cutting it in half.

213 responses to “NFL offered Brady “at least 50 percent” reduction in exchange for admission of guilt

  1. Too late now. Brady should have taken the deal. He’s lucky based on his phone destruction, that he didn’t get more than 4 games. It is indisputable that Brady obstructed the investigation.

  2. If Goodell was that confident that his arbitration was fair and neutral, he wouldn’t have been trying to negotiate a deal.

    Requiring Brady to admit guilt in something that never happened is ludicrous.

    The science already proves that nothing happened – but Goodell ignores that.

    This was an attempt for Roger to save face.

    I hope it blows up in his face.

  3. Brady should retire on top as that would be a real middle finger to the league considering how much money he makes them.

  4. Told ya that was part of the deal. Just couldn’t do it, and instead destroyed the evidence thinking the case would get sealed after Roger caved to the Kraft, Brady, and the pats organization. Only, not this time. Good luck in court LOL.

  5. Shame we live in a society that tries to justify/diminish cheating. And we wonder why a bad cop video pops up every week or a mass shooting occurs every month or another child loses their father to a misguided sense of gender…

    As America phases out religion, so goes our morals!

  6. The thing that always annoys me is that the players / employees never accept the terms of the CBA and always complain about those terms that they agreed to. They never had to agree to the Commissioner being the final ruling body. They could have made that exact topic a point of issue during the last CBA discussions; however, they did not. They accepted this standard. Rather than dealing with the consequences of that standard, players are apt to use labor law now as a means of securing their desired aims.

    This is like me going to my employer and saying, “Yes, I agree to this contract so that you will pay me.” Then, when I don’t like one of the provisions of the contract, I declare the contract “unconscionable” and sue. Mr. Brady operated under the CBA for a number of years never objecting to its provisions as it applied to others (i.e. Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson, etc.); however, when the same system of ‘justice’ falls upon him, Mr. Brady does not find that system fair.

    Mr. Brady, you availed yourself to the employee grievance / rebuttal systems of your employer, and for that, you are commended. The system though did not find in your favor. Instead of demanding, “I will take my case to the Supreme Court,” you should quietly take yourself to the sideline and support your teammates. Your current actions only demean any respect that people have for your legacy.

  7. Brady needs this to go to discovery, so we can all see the lengths to which Goodell went to frame him. The league will be thoroughly humiliated when it’s revealed how many reputable organizations (Columbia U, etc) told the league the balls were not deflated before the league went to Exponent to get the answer they wanted.

  8. I’ll take Peytons 1 over Bradys 4 with asterisks next to them any day! I think this actually raises Peytons stock, because it’s apparent that Brady has cheated to get his rings while Manning has always been knocking on the door of superbowls his whole career.

  9. The dude is saying he is innocence, why the hell will he admit his guilt after all this time. I swear PFT is doing this posting multiple articles knowing it will possibly start arguments

  10. That deal is garbage if you didn’t do anything. The NFL is in shambles. Brady’s attorneys told the NFL months ago it would never get his phone. How can Goodell pretend to be surprised by that on appeal? How does it matter that Brady destroyed something he never intended to turn over? NFL had all recorded texts from Jastremski and McNally. What does the NFL contend is missing? Makes no sense. If Brady were in the wrong he wouldn’t have waited till day of Wells interview to destroy phone. Why wait and not do so immediately? That day he decided the NFL would never get his phone because he didn’t trust them and he is smart to have taken that action. None of it is relevant to main issue. It’s a sideshow.

  11. Like he’s protecting his legacy by NOT taking the deal? It’s as good as an admission of guilt. Like pleading the fifth.

    So stupid, because you know when they some day get around to making “TOM BRADY: A FOOTBALL LIFE,” it would’ve been no more than two sentences of the script.

    Penny wise, pound foolish, Tom.

  12. If I failed to cooperate at an investigation where I work, I would be fired. And I belong to a union. There would be no appeals or frivolous lawsuits to a federal judge, just FIRED!

  13. Brady needs this to go to discovery, so we can all see the lengths to which Goodell went to frame him. The league will be thoroughly humiliated when it’s revealed how many reputable organizations (Columbia U, etc) told the league the balls were not deflated before the league went to Exponent to get the answer they wanted.
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    Sport, why did he destroy the cell phone?

    Patri*ts fans are Delusional

    Best Regards

  14. Keep drawing more attention to it Brady. It was on All major networks world news and not just sports channels or talk shows. The audience is getting to epic proportions and now people who maybe never heard of him will associate him as a cheat. This is what people will remember him by as a cheater.

  15. And why should he “own up” to anything if he’s not guilty? The law says “innocent until proven guilty” but of course this day in age it’s “guilty until proven innocent”. Sad how everyone wants to tear down successful people because of jealousy or biased fan hatred.

  16. neutronjimmy123 says:
    Jul 28, 2015 8:57 PM
    “Maybe he destroyed the phone because he was a moron and cheated on his wife…. its possible…”

    If that’s true, this is what he is attempting to do; then from a moral standpoint, he should still face some repercussions. He got away with an affair, fine. He doesn’t get to burn both ends of the bridge and make it out glistening then.

    Not disagreeing with the main point of your reasoning though . . .

  17. Just proves what a moron Brady is…. To take it this far when everyone knows he is guilty is absolutely insane…. Even Pats fans know the truth….. As McGinest said “there’s really only one reason to destroy the phone”….. Hide the truth! True moron!

  18. So he did EXACTLY what a person would do, if that person knew that he was NOT GUILITY

  19. Why don’t any of you attempt to read between the lines? Why I love Florio is because the impact of what he is saying is never expressly stated. Florio is, like me and most of the U.S, an attorney that likes to watch the quick triggers give cursory shallow reviews. I won’t spell it out because I am too tired but let us just say it’s pro Brady.

  20. I am not going to say a whole lot on this subject anymore. But I am wondering if stilllolatpatriothaters fell off the face of the earth. He ran his yapper for months. Please come out and we will…….

    DISCUSS

  21. You people are all complete morons. Why do we even know that the phone was wiped? Because he told them. He didn’t have to. He could have simply stonewalled. But he cooperated, so we know. Probably [read: definitely] there is more to this story than the NFL’s hit job version of it.

  22. hiddenpond says:
    Jul 28, 2015 8:50 PM
    Brady should retire on top as that would be a real middle finger to the league considering how much money he makes them.

    Riiiight, because people would not watch the NFL if he retired. Dumbest…. statement… EVER.

  23. Just to show you how the NFL needed to make a deal.
    Roger oh Roger ….
    The head will be down soon.
    Don’t trust owners support too much.

  24. His huge ego simply will not allow him to admit anything.

    He’s a liar who’s sticking to his story just like Lance Armstrong, Rafael Palmiero, A-Rod, and Pete Rose.

    What a sad footnote to his career.

  25. Wow. You just can’t make this stuff up. Is arrogance the Patriot way? And what happened to all the Pats fans that were screaming foul and defending him to the hilt?

    Truth hurts kids. Your boy will forever be an *……..

  26. Maybe he destroyed his phone b/c thats what many intelligent celebrities who are hounded by paparazzi do?

    Maybe the phone being destroyed is irrelevant b/c the data still exists on the server of his cell phone provider and Brady and his legal team provided Goodell with access to that data at his appeal hearing.

    Maybe, just maybe…all this talk and speculation about the cell phone is just another example of media sensationalism trumping mass intellect.

    Maybe America needs a lesson on media literacy.

    Sheep…All of you Brady bashers…Thats what you are. Sheep.

  27. The lengths Brady seems willing to go to clear his name and be fully exonerated speaks for itself. Why would anyone who’s guilty put in this much time and money into this issue? If he was guilty of deflating the balls I think he would have cuts his losses and accepted the 1 game suspension rather than drag this to court.

  28. Wait a second, so if he admitted and apologized, he would get less games. This is Roger’s MO for all these deals. Guess what, that isn’t what arbitration is for. This is another bullet int the gun for Brady, as he can show this suspension was not based on the facts of the case

  29. Love how people are latching on to this “destroyed” cell phone. Like a lot of celebrities, Brady probably replaces his phone on a regular basis, and has the data on them “destroyed” in case the phone falls into the hands of some jerk with an eBay account.

    NFLPA and the agent both stated that the phone records the NFL asked for were given to them. NFL is spoon-feeding you this “destroyed phone” nonsense to defame Brady, and it’s *not* going to help their case in court. It’s an obvious PR stunt, but y’all are gobbling it up.

  30. igornathanhiggers says:
    Jul 28, 2015 8:52 PM

    Shame we live in a society that tries to justify/diminish cheating. And we wonder why a bad cop video pops up every week or a mass shooting occurs every month or another child loses their father to a misguided sense of gender…

    As America phases out religion, so goes our morals!

    _______________________________

    And you’re a perfect example of what you speak. There is no proof Brady did anything wrong, and there is no proof the balls were even deflated beyond what the environment would allow.

    Your morals are a joke, and your inference to being religious is a sham.

  31. Shame on Brady for not proving the case against himself. It’s what all of us would do if we were accused of cheating.

  32. @mbapastor

    What kind of pastor are you? You think Brady should acquiesce to Goodell just because he makes 44 million dollars a year in salary?

    Why shouldn’t Brady appeal to a federal court? Isn’t that part of our system of justice? Isn’t that option part of the CBA?

    Do you tell your parishioners to quit, give up, and lie down when they believe they’ve been wronged?
    .

  33. The Patriot Way. Destroy the evidence so there’s no proof…

    Just how long has it been going on? This group, Belichcik and Brady, will forever be link to cheating. No way around it Pats fans.

  34. You know the NFL doesn’t break this “broken phone” smokescreen if Brady takes a deal. It was a calculated attempt to swing public opinion in support of the 4 games. The NFL is ridiculous and will get their due in court.

  35. The NLF will still lose in court. Everything until now was an undercard. The main event started today.

  36. I think it would be cool if Brady secured the injunction allowing him to play in the opener, then decided to sit out the game in protest of the commissioner.

  37. Funny that Brady’s COLD DEAD HANDS approach backfired on him. He overplayed his “favorite son” hand. I think everyone knows that the breadcrubs (texts) lead right to coach Belicheck, so there won’t be any court. The saga ends!

    Ironic that this thing began with Don Yee making crazy declarations and so it ends. This guy made it impossible for the NFL to do anything but go full-force after Brady.

    It was he who directed and controlled Brady’s actions and I think we can all agree, he failed. His scorched-earth approach, proved fatal to his client. That’s why there is no room for sympathy for Tom.

    That’s also why Yee was ordered to shut up, when “the Savior” Kesseler came on board. Only too late, damage done. So like a Chihuahua, Yee is yapping once again.

    It’s really kinda sad.

  38. “Requiring Brady to admit guilt in something that never happened is ludicrous.”

    That’s like if OJ said, “But they’re not dead!”

  39. How is this a bigger deal than Rice, Hardy, Hunter, Smith, Galette, and Washington etc. I would take a player cheating to get an competitive advantage over any of these other guys. It’s just a game.

  40. patsfan112 says:
    Jul 28, 2015 9:01 PM
    And why should he “own up” to anything if he’s not guilty? The law says “innocent until proven guilty” but of course this day in age it’s “guilty until proven innocent”. Sad how everyone wants to tear down successful people because of jealousy or biased fan hatred.
    ********************

    He has been proven guilty of refusing to cooperate with the investigation. He was allowed to appeal and the appeal was denied.
    It isn’t jealousy. He made a mistake and should pay for it.
    Michael Jordan had a similar attitude. In pick up games he would call mystery fouls and get away with anything he could to win.
    It is part of the psyche of an ultra competitive personality.

  41. It is comical reading these Brady lovers trying to explain his actions of destroying evidence….. Comical but that’s what it is….. He has the phone before that one and since kept the phone he replaced it with…..his habit of destroying his old cell phones happened just once…… Just the one time where proves he’s a liar…… Get the facts pats fans…… The moron is a lying cheat! Easy to see

  42. A lot of uppity Colts fans commenting like their franchise didn’t throw in the towel for the rights to draft Luck.. They were even proud with their Suck for Luck signs.. if only every organization were held to those standards of game integrity.

  43. The clear reason is Brady thinks his (NFLPA’s) cash can buy enough lawyers and a friendly venue and pretend to cast enough doubt on the truth to undo some of the damage to his reputation.

    Petulant.
    Egotistical.

    It’s officially over. The all American story of the overlooked 6th rounder that achieves unprecedented success is over. Proven to be a sham.

  44. Oppressive regimes are best at propaganda and spin (WWII Germany, former Soviet Union, North Korea, etc.). Of course the atrocities are not the same, but the PR techniques are and that frightens me. The fact that the ethics free office of the NFL can still manipulate like this shows people are inherently, and forever will be, susceptible to whatever garbage comes out way.

  45. That’s right Tom, you tell those wussies to go pound sand. They don’t tell the GOAT QB what to do.

    WE superior fans of the most superior franchise in sports stand behind you. 🙂

    Go get ’em CHAMP.

  46. If true this is just another abuse of power by Goodell. The appeal process was supposed to be a review of the fairness of the original punishment, not pressuring Brady to confess under duress.

    In all of this we have not actually heard much from Brady. Many people have simply assumed that this is a sign of guilt, but come on, take a look at the way that the Patriots treat public communications. They often get blasted in the press for not talking, but the results show that they are simply playing the long game for the win and are unconcerned with the news cycle.

    I know just about everyone interested in this wants to hear from Brady, but my guess is that he will speak when the time is right for him and not any sooner. If he does not actually have some fantastic answers to the questions I’ll be disappointed.

    My guess is that he has answers to everything that Goodell has accused him of and more. Even if you hate the Patriots and Brady please tell me if you have ever seen Brady in a competition where the other side was better prepared then him?

  47. I’ll admit that – absent any circumstances – it looks bad that Brady destroyed his phone ….. but I don’t trust Roger Gooddell that there isn’t more to the story that he isn’t letting out. And why would Brady “destroy evidence” that is obviously visible on the phones of Jastremski and Mc Nally?

    There’s nothing to be gained by that.

    But the bottom line for me is that Gooddell has abandoned the “balls were deflated!” angle that science has already proved false, to focus on the “he failed to cooperate!” story……

    And if he had such a strong case, why did he try to “settle” with Brady????

  48. Alex Rodriquez filed suit in Federal Court then dropped it when he realized he would be exposed as a fraud. Expect the same thing to happen here.

  49. Of course all intelligent fans (which excludes Patriot Hater) know that this was never about “integrity” this was all about flexing muscles and playing politics.

    They should have known their place and not messed with the greatest QB in the history of football.

    Silly people. They’ll get what’s coming to them in court. And the gloating, rubbing it in and kicking Patriot Hater while they are down will be EPIC! I CAN’T WAIT!!!! 🙂

  50. tom brady will forever be linked to cheating. spygate against rams and the eagles, deflategate vs colts, ineligible reciever exploit plays vs ravens, and the tuck rule vs the raiders. wow thats alot of bad history no great qb wants. tom brady is forever tarnished.

  51. Again — this is the most over blown case I’ve seen since the days when Perry Mason never lost a trial to Hamilton Burger.

    It’s a farce and a joke. It’s a total of waste of time. I cannot believe the amount of time and energy the Commissioner has spent on this ridiculous subject.

    If I were Tom Brady, I’d gladly take the 4 game suspension and tell Goodell to stick the admission of guilt where the sun doesn’t shine.

    Then I’d arrange a sit down with Oprah, 20-20, 60 Minutes and every other interview show and bring up how Goodell lied through his teeth during the Ray Rice case, and how he is trying to make up for his inept handling of that one by slamming Brady over these unproven accusations about footballs being deflated.

    And I’d tell them that while they’re taping the interview, there’s a high probability that another NFL player got arrested for using drugs or battering a woman.

    No matter how this ends — Tom Brady’s reputation is already signed and delivered. He’s one of the best QB’s in the history of the NFL and all this crap will never change that.
    He will enter the Hall Of Fame as soon as he is eligible. And just for laughs, I’d use words such as “inflate” and “deflate” very liberally in my acceptance speech, if I were him.

    I’d say things such as, “I tried to be a good team mate and never had an inflated ego”. Or, “I know how those teams we beat to win all those Super Bowls were really deflated”. Or, “we never tried to embarrass anyone by inflating our scores”.

    To all the Brady haters — look at the teams you root for and tell me there aren’t bad guys on them. It’s a fact — every NFL team has bad guys on them. There are no exceptions.

  52. @6ball

    While I do believe that there are moral / religious obligation themes that could easily be tied into this discussion, I don’t want to go down that road as football is merely a form of entertainment for me. I am not going to throw morality or religious obligations into the equation in this particular sense. I don’t know you or where you stand. I certainly don’t want to taint your view of my religion with my actions or my words. So, I will refrain from that topic point.

    You are right in that Mr. Brady does have a legal right to seek any redress that he feels is due him through the courts. Personally, from an employment standpoint, I only wanted to point out that this exact “system of justice” – that admittedly largely protects the image of the shield – was something that has been openly and faithfully bargained for by both parties before this incident.

    Further, I wished to point out that by not adhering to discipline. Mr. Brady does tarnish his legacy (maybe not in the NE portion of this country) but to many fans of the game in general.

    Thanks for the open and honest debate!

  53. The idea that there was any compromise at all. After Brady admits to permanently destroying the evidence sought after. Let alone down to just 1 game reeks of a continued favoritism.

  54. billswillnevermove says: Jul 28, 2015 9:04 PM

    I am not going to say a whole lot on this subject anymore. But I am wondering if stilllolatpatriothaters fell off the face of the earth. He ran his yapper for months. Please come out and we will…….

    DISCUSS


    Tee hee. 🙂 I think it’s funny that the billies are 2-23 against the greatest QB of all time Tom Brady 🙂

    I’d say Bills but if they are batting less than .100 against the greatest QB in the history of football then billies is much more appropriate. That name captures a kind of light in the loafers sentiment if you catch my drift. 🙂

    Discuss.

  55. So all of you are saying that if you were innocent of a charge you would admit to it and apologize to the people falsely accusing you? You are all full of it.

    Lets stick to the facts. There is no proof that any air at all was let out of the Patriots footballs. 75% of The Colts footballs were below the 12.5 psi range just like the Patriots footballs. Even though they were exposed to less of the weather and sat in the locker room longer to warm up. They also weren’t inflated back up above the limit, so The Colts played the whole second half with illegal balls. These are facts that all of you and the NFL ignore completely. The NFL leaked false information multiple times during this whole investigation, and never once sought to correct it. In fact Mortenson’s Tweet is still live. Tom Brady was not legally required to hand over his phone, with the leaks and distrust he was wise not to. The whole “he destroyed his phone” is a red herring designed to steer you away from the facts. Brady was not legally bound to hand the phone over nor did Wells have the power to get a subpoena forcing him to turn it over. The NFL would never had known about the phone if Brady hadn’t told them. He could have just kept saying no you can’t see it. Brady did give numerous electronic information to Wells that was ignored completely in the Wells report, most likely because it didn’t fit the NFL narrative. The NFL is railroading Brady and the Patriots.

  56. 6ball says:
    Jul 28, 2015 9:12 PM
    @mbapastor

    What kind of pastor are you? You think Brady should acquiesce to Goodell just because he makes 44 million dollars a year in salary?

    Why shouldn’t Brady appeal to a federal court? Isn’t that part of our system of justice? Isn’t that option part of the CBA?

    Do you tell your parishioners to quit, give up, and lie down when they believe they’ve been wronged?
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    I would assume he tells his parishioners not to Cheat and Lie. That way there is no need to quit, give up or lie down.

    Any other questions?

    Patri*ts fans are Delusional

    Best Regards

  57. That was a good deal. Brady’s admission would have been limited to having knowledge of what the employees were doing. This is important because he could have spun that knowledge to be completely minimal. There’s no demand of admission that he had any part in the order or execution of any deflations. The NFL keeps giving him ways out of this that would protect his legacy. Destroying his phone and obstructing the investigation is just so unsavory.

  58. I hope it goes to court and they are subpoenaed to release the text’s, because they do exist at a carrier level. Dude had 10,000 texts in 4 months, lol just at that. I bet it doesn’t go to court because he could be opening himself to something else he doesn’t want the NFL to know.

    To Pat fans defending him after he destroys his phone, who does that ? No one innocent. And if it was anyone from another team, you’d be singing the same damn tune.

    Suck it up.

  59. Cheating teams can win. And win a lot in some cases. Most are well aware of that Mr. smiley faces.

  60. This was always about the the public confidence in the game of football. We, as fans have every right to expect that the results of the game and the stats from it are fair. Regardless of what you believe if it was done or not, the reality is using an under inflated ball gives an unfair advantage.

  61. Tee hee. 🙂 I think it’s funny that the billies are 2-23 against the greatest QB of all time Tom Brady 🙂

    I’d say Bills but if they are batting less than .100 against the greatest QB in the history of football then billies is much more appropriate. That name captures a kind of light in the loafers sentiment if you catch my drift.
    —————————-

    I’m not a fan of either team, but at this point it doesn’t really seem relevant what the record of a Disgraced Cheating Quarterback was against any team.

    Patri*ts fans are Delusional

    Best Regards

  62. Anyone who acts like they believe Brady is a lousy actor…. EVERYONE knows the truth here…. Even Aaron Hernandez knows that destroying evidence and denial denial denial doesn’t work….. Especially when he’s serving a life sentence….. Because lying doesn’t change the truth…. And the simple truth is, Brady is a cheater and his legacy will follow him as one….. Pete Rose has a better chance

  63. An INNOCENT MAN would turn that offer down flat.

    A GUILTY MAN would snap up that offer in a heartbeat.

  64. I love all the fools swallowing this. Just like the 10 of 11 balls. It was a PR stunt. They needed something else to make him look bad in the court of public opinion. Everything else in todays release was rehashed stuff from the original punishment only reworded to make it seem more severe.

    Funny how the NFL didn’t need his phone, just provide the information. So they provide the information and the NFL holds it against him for not providing the phone.

    Goodell goes on National TV and proclaims to be conducting a fair and open “independent ” investigation, but when Brady’s lawyers request transcripts from the investiinvestigation to prepare for the appeal, Wells/NFL claim client/attorney privelage. Well now, that seems fair, open, and independent.

    This has just started. They know they are gojng to lose in court. That is why they went with the preemptive filing in NY. Kessler and NFLPA are about to go thermonuclear and take this to the appellate level if not further if required.

    The ramifications of this could be far reaching including the possibility of the voiding of the CBA or possible loss of the antitrust exemption.

    All this because Goodell is in way over his head.

    I am also interested to find out if there is truth to the story Goodell threatened Kraft of banning Belichick from the NFL if Kraft did not accept the team penalties. The guy is a dirtbag and is ruining the nfl.

  65. Tilt-Spin says:

    You people are all complete morons. Why do we even know that the phone was wiped? Because he told them. He didn’t have to.
    =====================================

    He did it because he thought his “I destroy them every four months” lie was going to be believed. You’re a moron.

  66. .
    @qdog

    ” I think everyone knows the texts lead straight to Belichick, so there won’t be any trial ”

    No, Dr Phil, everyone doesn’t know that ” the texts” lead straight to Belichick. Think before you post.
    .

  67. >>Lets stick to the facts.

    The Patriots didn’t cooperate with the investigation, and Brady destroyed evidence.
    The NFL is very much affected by public perceptions and needs to act accordingly.

    It’s important for the NFL (and the other 31 owners) that the public (as opposed to only Patriot fans) think the league is attempting to police itself and not allow cheating.
    I despise Goodell, but if you flaunt the commissioner and an investigation that has made headlines, you need to get punished for the good of the league. The owners voluntarily granted Goodell powers, and he used them to uphold the integrity of the game as he saw it.

  68. So basically it’s a power struggle.

    Goodell wants to be proven right, and wants an admission of guilt.

    That should concern some people that it wasn’t the crime itself he was punishing, but just a confirmation to the world that Goodell didn’t screw up and waste everyone’s time.

    Thus it’s not about what he did, it’s about confirming Goodell’s process.

  69. Stilllolatpatriothaters…….dude…. Time to crawl back in your hole. It’s people like you why most people hate the Patriots. You can say what you want about the Bills, but not even anything you say can convince a single sole of the looks of guilt shining down on Boston.

  70. I would NOT be surprised at all if this goes to trail, those involved get their phone records subpoena’d and something more nefarious than just letting air out of footballs is discovered.

    And because of THAT, I will also NOT be surprised if it never sees the inside of a court room.

  71. I don’t get why people think that because Goodell is the arbitor that he doesn’t have to follow rules.

    If Goodell violates the CBA to punish someone, then that punishment should and will be turned over.

  72. If you can continually cheat at the pinnacle of the best sport there is you aren’t admitting guilt. You are a tried and true cheater.

  73. Patriots* fans defending this guy, calling it a frame…..You guys take the cake. Please, by all means, keep throwing out all this nonsense. Just like your tainted hero, you are just making it worse. It’s ok, you really thought “the Deflator” was a nickname for a guy losing weight. Sorry I can’t help but just laugh it you idiots. The guy destroyed his phone, there is not one plausible reason an innocent man does that. None. They asked him if he is a cheater and his reply:”I don’t belive so”. Hey Tom, was it a smart idea to destroy your phone? “I don’t believe so”. Enjoy that legacy with a side of asterisks**** and all the Patriots* fans still defending him enjoy looking like the biggest fools in the NFL. Suckers.****

  74. This is not about lawyer arguments, court venues, length of suspension or money lost. The question has always been is he guilty?

    He destroyed his phone folks. There is your answer.

  75. From shank to the overworked patriot media cartel :

    “Of course you do. And that is why at a time when you should be embarrassed, you are probably emboldened.

    Please. Give up. It’s time for local loyalists to parachute down from Planet Patriot and get in touch with reality. Stop twisting yourselves into knots to justify the petty crimes and cover-ups of the Patriots and their quarterback.

    According to the NFL, the Patriots cheated. They tampered with footballs after the balls were approved by game officials. The NFL terms it an ongoing “scheme.’’ It’s not a huge transgression, but the tampering was done to gain a competitive advantage. It appears to have been systematic. Tom Brady knew about it, then he destroyed evidence.”

    🙂 🙂 🙂

  76. profootball13 says:
    Jul 28, 2015 8:59 PM

    What if he is not guilty?
    ————————
    Then why destroy the cell phone?
    Patri*ts fans are Delusional.
    Best Regards
    _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

    @profootball13-

    Why NOT destroy the cell phone?

    So that it could be turned over later?

    If you had no plans of EVER turning over the cell phone and you got a new one, WHY NOT destroy the old one? Why would you keep it around?

    You would have to be STUPID to keep an old cell phone that millions of people want to get their hands on lying around somewhere.

    Patriots Haters are grasping for anything without the ability to explain themselves.

  77. I feel like I’ve been reading the same story over and over again. Go back and forth from news sites to sports sites, try replacing Brady with Hillary and cell phone with server. Nothing changes.

  78. As a Pats fan once he said he didn’t think he was a cheater at Salem State I lost support for him personally, if you don’t deny that vigorously then you know you did wrong at some level. I think the penalties were too harsh but as long as it’s a precedent for others not cooperating I will accept it if the team’s/player gets the same. Both sides screwed up..even if you support this punishment you have to admit the NFL either intentionally leaked false info or simply allowed it to run wild hoping for a confession. Bloated egos on both sides are ruining the NFL.

  79. I just don’t know what to think. It really feels like everything is obfuscated. Destroying his phone is a bad look for Brady. Possessing all of the electronic data is damning for the NFL. If they have been through it and still need a confession from Brady their case just sucks. I don’t know who is telling the truth anymore. Maybe nobody is. I just want to watch football without the soap opera and we may never get to do so again while Goodell is in office so maybe its time to burn the NFL down and start over.

  80. Brady, ask A-Rod today if he wishes he took the 50 game deal everyone else busted from Biogenesis took. I see this never ending story continuing with Kessler suing Brady for non payment and Brady counter suing for lack of effective council.

    Pats Fans: “Kessler is going to wipe the floor with Goodell”. Yea, when’s that going to start anyway.

  81. Stop saying science disproved anything. Ideal gas law is no longer a law of physics and does not pertain to oxygen. Quit with the ludicrous statements about nfl out to get patriots. Last I checked other teams and players have been punished under Goodell too. Stop saying that the nfl had no right to take the phone and Tom should’ve destroyed it. The nfl did not want the phone, rather they offered Brady the chance to read only the pertinent texts while in the presence of his attorneys. Stop with the why would he admit guilt for something he didn’t do when they were willing to serve a one game suspension and be fined 3-4 game checks as long as the records of the arbitration hearing were sealed. Everything points to guilt but what do you expect from a fan base that believed the deflator is just a fat guy defense.

  82. Its going to sting a little extra this season for the pats haters (which are many) everytime the pats win this upcoming season. In Bradys defense, how could he have given the NFL his phone if It was destroyed?

  83. @mbapastor

    Brady went through the process as described in the CBA. He met with Wells on multiple occasions. Following Goodell’s original decision, he exercised his right to appeal. Now that Goodell has upheld Goodell, Brady is apparently exercising his right to appeal to federal court, where he may win or lose.

    Regarding his image, that ship sailed in January following the posting on NFL Network and ESPN that 11/12 game balls were more than 2 lbs under game weight. That information was verified in writing in a letter from NFL president Gardi to Bob Kraft and remained on the NFL website for 64 days.

    Even if Brady was completely exonerated in federal court, the non readers of the Wells Report / Rebuttal will still cling to moral high ground which allows them judge another without facts.

    After all, with the abundance of judge/ judgement style TV programming, isn’t that what America craves? Judgement, fueled by keyboard courage and anonymous screen names, makes it near impossible to resist.
    .

  84. Question: in this day of no secrets, things always being leaked tmz reporting on everything…how have we not heard from the 2 deflate guys? Did they get a payday in return for their silence? That just totally amazes me or are we gearing up for a Diane sawyer special some day.

  85. Nobody else has said this yet, so I will.

    The Hall of Fame Committee is instructed to only consider what a player has done on the field. They are supposed to ignore outside factors, like getting in trouble with the law, domestic violence, etc.

    If Brady admits knowing the game balls were being doctored for him, that is something the HoF Committee can consider.

    And chances are, that would be enough to deny him first ballot. It might be enough to keep him out of the Hall forever.

    Brady couldn’t take that deal. It would have been foolish if he had.

  86. I’m not a fan of either team, but at this point it doesn’t really seem relevant what the record of a Disgraced Cheating Quarterback was against any team.
    —-

    I’m sure it doesn’t except Brady isn’t one. 🙂

    #TruthIsTruth
    #FactsAreFacts
    #TruthHurts
    #WeAreBetterThanYouAtEverything
    #WeOwnU
    #WePunkU
    #WeDominateU
    #UWillLikeIt
    #UWillBowBeforeTheWorldChampions

  87. So many commenters claiming the NE Cheaters innocence, obviously don’t understand the difference between contract and criminal law.

    Other NE Cheaters fans are so far in denial, they have lost concept of truthfulness. They lie almost automatically. And if you don’t have a video, they claim innocence.

    Sick folks! They should have suspended TT for a years. and made the NE Cheaters playoff ineligible for 5 years.

  88. Brady and the Pats should take a lesson from the Falcons and Vikings and accept their punishment and get this behind them ASAP. Continuing to battle this only makes it more likely that more of the Pats’ improprieties are going to come out and become scandals. I think the NFL and the other teams and owners are sick of dealing with the Pats’ cheating, so while they have accepted sweeping (most of) the cheating under the rug in the past, I wonder if that will continue?

  89. .
    @profootball13

    Dad after day and night after night you keep posting that Brady lied and cheated. Now is the time to prove it. State the definitive proof that apparently only you possess. Otherwise take your clown shoes elsewhere.
    .

  90. Maybe, just maybe, Brady is telling the truth.

    Expected mean of the balls at halftime 11.4 psi

    Observed mean based on 24 measurements (with 2 different gauges): 11.3 psi.

    Did Brady really have someone deflate balls about 0.1 psi????? Its ludicrous.

    The NFL is so deft at manipulating public opinion. They throw that cell phone thing out there and you all soak it up hook line and sinker. Did you not think the NFL did that knowing how it would make Brady look? But there is two sides to every story. The Brady camp says they provided a spreadsheet with all the correspondence to the NFL before the appeal.

    So many rush to guilt and throw around ugly words like cheater etc. Finally this matter will get to court and perhaps we will soon know what happens when a TRUE independent voice hears this case.

  91. patsfan112 says:
    Jul 28, 2015 9:01 PM
    And why should he “own up” to anything if he’s not guilty? The law says “innocent until proven guilty” but of course this day in age it’s “guilty until proven innocent”. Sad how everyone wants to tear down successful people because of jealousy or biased fan hatred.
    ______________________________________

    Get it through your thick skulls. This is not a court of law.

    Tell you what. Go in to work tomorrow for one hour and lie about the hours you worked on your timesheet. Then send 50 text to your coworkers trying to cover it up. When human resources calls you in, tell them to pound sand and destroy your phone so they can’t read the messages. Then come back here and tell us how it worked out for ya!!

    Thanks for playing!

  92. The NFL has been great at leaking just the right info to sway public opinion on this saga. Whether it was the 11 of 12 nonsense, or the text messages or this supposed “deal”

    Now Brady has to apologize??? Has any other player been required to do so? Greg Hardy didn’t even speak at his appeal.

    I guess this has grown into a pissing contest.

    Let’s wait a few more days for more news from “sources”

    BTW canned squid for you Rodger.

  93. billswillnevermove says:
    Jul 28, 2015 9:55 PM
    Stilllolatpatriothaters…….dude…. Time to crawl back in your hole. It’s people like you why most people hate the Patriots. You can say what you want about the Bills, but not even anything you say can convince a single sole of the looks of guilt shining down on Boston.

    Nah I’m having way too much fun. 🙂 As a superior fan of the most superior team in sports I think I’ll stay and keep running my mouth because I can. 🙂

  94. Only a real Kool Aid drinker would go on defending Brady after hearing about his phone-trashing follies. But then again, I’ve heard they sell more of the stuff up in New England than any other part of the country.

  95. Brady and Kessler are going to tear Goodell and the NFL a new one in court. Goodell and Wells, Kensil and BSPN better get their checkbooks ready.

    Good for Brady to tell Goodell to go to hell. Id love to see Brady knock that scumbag out in court

  96. What has two legs, two eyes, is Red, White, and Blue, and plays QB for all 16 games of the season?

    NOT Tom Brady

    Oh man, I crack myself up sometimes.

  97. Florio, shame on you for not condemning the NFL for trying to sell this sham offer to the public as real when it is solely pr.

    I did put after publishing my post for a period it was taken down by PFT.

    The longer you leave this thread up without outing the NFL’s real effort the more damage you do to your reputation among those of us that know better.

    These guys really are evil.

  98. Tom Brady and the New England **** Legacy – every time I see anything with an * I know there is a catch. The SB’s the records everything except the Wife will have an *.

  99. We are talking about 12.5 – 13.5 PSI in the football in freezing weather. And the game in question the 2nd half was dominated by the Patriots with monitored game balls. Going from Deflating the ball to “You failed to cooperate” is shifting positions. Without the first premise being valid the 2nd charge is not valid. This whole episode from accusations, to investigations, to the same judge, jury and executioner with the same judge to hearing the appeal, (no conflict of interest there) is a farce regardless of guilt or innocence. I don’t think Brady is stupid and let’s see the final act before we start heating the tar.

  100. duffelbagsports says:
    Jul 28, 2015 10:23 PM
    Admit nothing!
    Deny everything!
    Demand proof!

    Law School 101
    __________________
    The third axiom is “make counter accusations!” That’s all fine and dandy until they slap you with a suspension. After that contrition and humility is the way to go. Else you get the full smackdown..

    Anyway he failed on the admit nothing part.

    Ted Wells: We want to see your phone.

    Brady: Yeah I busted that phone destroyed the internal memory and got a new phone right after you told me you wanted to see the messages on it.

    SMDH – Brady Apologists

  101. If true – no wonder he rejected it… as we all know the friggen footballs weren’t deflated

    Shouldn’t there be some actual burden of evidence by the league to, you know, show a rule was broken before asserting that someone broke a rule?

    Beyond that all these “leaks” coming out of the League office weren’t true when we were told 11 of 12 footballs were under-inflated by 2.0 psi

    Why should we believe any of the spin from the league is true now?

  102. 6superbowls says:
    Jul 28, 2015 9:12 PM
    The Patriot Way. Destroy the evidence so there’s no proof…

    Just how long has it been going on? This group, Belichcik and Brady, will forever be link to cheating. No way around it Pats fans.
    —————————–
    No more so than the Steelers.

  103. This is about deflated balls, not Bradys phone.

    There are a thousand reasons why Brady destroyed a phone.

    We are fighting over deflated balls, but the statistics show the balls were not even deflated. So we are fighting over a bunch of deflated balls that werent actually deflated.

    The NFL Yanks you around with leaked story after leaked story, But somehow Im the Kool Aid Drinker?

  104. He will be disqualified from the NFL Hall of Fame for cheating and worse, lying about it. That is his big ego there, so of course he can’t admit it. Just call him Tom “Pete Rose” Brady.

  105. The NFL has run an aggressive disinformation campaign and they have relied upon friends in the media to run with the campaign and legitimize it.

  106. Good for you Tom. Goodell should administration that a) it’s a stupid rule no one cared about, b) the punishment is severe, particularly given the lack of evidence, c) requiring the accused sacrifice all right to privacy in order to prove his innocence is what dictatorships and police states are made of, and d) his unctuous call to protect the integrity of the game has the paradoxically unintended effect of putting at a disadvantage teams that are not on the Patriots early 4 game sked. Take the Cowboys for example. They will enjoy an edge over their NFC East rivals by facing a Patriots team sans Brady.

    If Goodell apologizes now for the politically motivated witch hunt and character assassination, we will allow him to serve one more year before terminating his employment

  107. Will there be a precedent in the NFL where if you “admit” your are guilty and agree to a non-disclosure your punishment will be less. What a joke.

    NFL integrity severely damaged by Godell

  108. Please tell me this people.

    There have been hundreds on here throwing the fact that Ted Wells did not want Brady’s phone. He gave a very narrow list of what Brady’s lawyers needed to provide. Everybody was saying he didn’t have to give up the phone,

    Now we find out that he provided the information that Wells requested, only he did not provide the phone.

    You want to have it both ways, but it only exposes you as being bias and a hypocrite. At least try to be consistent with your message or you lose all credibility.

  109. steelbreeze676 says:

    6 months later and nobody can answer the question: How much air did they let out of the footballs?

    Sure we can, with one assumption: that you believe the ref’s ability to recall which gauge he used. Then the answer is 0.00 psi, an average

    If you disbelieve the ref’s ability to recall which gauge he used, then the answer is 0.3 psi, an average, an imperceptible amount.

  110. 28-24 🙂

    The tears, the rage and the denial is so thick you can scoop it up and put it in a jar! 🙂

  111. 6superbowls says:
    Jul 28, 2015 9:12 PM
    The Patriot Way. Destroy the evidence so there’s no proof…

    Just how long has it been going on? This group, Belichcik and Brady, will forever be link to cheating. No way around it Pats fans.
    —————————–
    No more so than the Steelers.

    —-

    Oh no question about it. Not one legit title for that team. 5 by cheating and ask the Seahawks about the other one.

    And none coming anytime soon.

  112. limakey,

    I truly believe you work for the nfl or were contracted to blog on their behalf. I just studied many of your replies of the past and swear it is the exact words that come from the nfl. You are very careful to try to be respectful for the most part, and you seem to be trying the power of persuasion. Most of your posts are related to this subject. It is just an observation that could be way of base. But if I’m right, you have a great gig going. Peace out.

  113. bucsorbust says:
    Jul 28, 2015 10:44 PM
    He will be disqualified from the NFL Hall of Fame for cheating and worse, lying about it. That is his big ego there, so of course he can’t admit it. Just call him Tom “Pete Rose” Brady.
    ——————–
    I guess by your logic you could also call him Tom “Brad Johnson” Brady.

  114. “If Goodell apologizes now for the politically motivated witch hunt and character assassination, we will allow him to serve one more year before terminating his employment.”

    ———————————–
    Who’s the “we” you speak of that will allow Goodell to serve one more year? My God, the stupidity on this comment thread is ridiculous. Goodell works for the owners.

  115. Quite commical to me all the haters a couple days ago: “If he accepts any deal he is a tainted cheater.” All haters after he rejects deal: “He shouldve been smart and took a deal.”

    Have your day in the sun, but this is loooong from over

  116. .
    @bucsorbust

    Your team is an abject disgrace. They are the worst team in the entire league. They don’t win and they don’t draw. Yet, you want to sit in judgement of Tom Brady?

    Go on “Wheel of Fortune” and tell Pat Zajac that you’d like to buy a guard.
    .

  117. Give it a rest Pats fans. There’s no argument that your team isn’t habitual cheaters and Brady is innocent. Attempting to brag over tainted accomplishment or smearing other teams is pathetic at this point. Stop embarrassing yourselves.

  118. Good for you Tom. Goodell should administration that a) it’s a stupid rule no one cared about, b) the punishment is severe, particularly given the lack of evidence, c) requiring the accused sacrifice all right to privacy in order to prove his innocence is what dictatorships and police states are made of, and d) his unctuous call to protect the integrity of the game has the paradoxically unintended effect of putting at a disadvantage teams that are not on the Patriots early 4 game sked. Take the Cowboys for example. They will enjoy an edge over their NFC East rivals by facing a Patriots team sans Brady.

    If Goodell apologizes now for the politically motivated witch hunt and character assassination, we will allow him to serve one more year before terminating his employment
    ————————-
    Above is yet another example of a delusional Patri*ts fan grasping at straws….

    Patri*ts fans are Delusional

    Best Regards

  119. 28-24 🙂

    What…. You actually though we would let you forget?

    NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH 🙂

  120. deweygroup you are correct. limakey lives on these defaltegate message boards, and when insulted or challenged he is almost timid in his comebacks. But he never backs off the NFL mantra, continuing to hammer it home as if he were Goodell himself.

    limakey has been outed! Excellent job!

    He will post some lame and timid remark about these posts if he is true to form.

  121. I always knew Brady had the suspicious look about him. Enjoy your millions Brady while on your month long suspension .You and your family should take a trip somewhere you have never been and forget all about football and that phone.

  122. I like football and all but jeez do we need to be tying up the federal court system so it can be decided if a millionaire sits or plays? Ok so it’s 1.whatever million on the line for Brady – but do you honestly think this is about the money for him? And now, who can say the legacy will be intact? What if the judge says ‘OK only 1 game suspension’? Still guilty. Brady should suck it up, apologize, and move on. Anything else smacks of Lance Armstrong.

  123. Bellichek would have loved if Brady took the deal. Bellichek can be so grateful the league isn’t handling him the same as Sean Peyton.

    Still Different Rules,
    T-Sizzle

  124. The legal question before us is quite simple

    Does Roger Goodell have dictatorial powers to force the NFLPA and anyone the NFLPA member texted with to abdicate their right to privacy REGARDLESS of whether Goodell has shown that a football rule – one no one has ever cared about before – has been violated?

    If you hate the Patriots then your answer is YES – no member of the NFLPA or anyone they text with has a right to privacy from Goodell. The constitution does not apply in the NFL

    If you are Brady or the NFLPA or like the Patriots or can think rationally the answer is NO – that’s a ridiculous abuse of power by Goodell and I’m glad Brady is standing up to this bully

  125. pypersrealm says:
    Jul 28, 2015 9:06 PM
    Maybe he destroyed his phone b/c thats what many intelligent celebrities who are hounded by paparazzi do?
    Maybe the phone being destroyed is irrelevant b/c the data still exists on the server of his cell phone provider and Brady and his legal team provided Goodell with access to that data at his appeal hearing.
    Maybe, just maybe…all this talk and speculation about the cell phone is just another example of media sensationalism trumping mass intellect.
    Maybe America needs a lesson on media literacy.
    Sheep…All of you Brady bashers…Thats what you are. Sheep.
    *******************************************************
    You……..you, “Really” believe the words that are coming out of your mouth???? Brady destroyed his cell phone because of the paparazzi. The cell phone destruction was not relevant because his legal team turned over the text data to Goodell at the appeal hearing. Our brains have been captured by “media sensationalism” and quite possibly aliens from the 5th Quadrant !!! (I’m really starting to fear Patriot Fans, i’m guessing either too little or too much medication……….) Wow !!

  126. I’m not defending Brady here but isn’t the rule for tampering with balls (applying to staff not players) 25k? At the same time everyone (even Goodell) agree that it would only be done with the QB approval? So wouldn’t that have to mean the NFL knew only the QB would instruct tampering and we’re ok with a 25k fine? The fine was put in place in the 90s because the league wanted to stop kickers from tampering.

  127. Whaaaatttt? You want Brady to do those 3 horrendous things in exchange for reducing the suspension from 4 to 2 games? Is Gooddell really an idiot or what? It’s admission of guilt any which way you look at it. If Brady is adamant that he did not do anything then why would he acquiesce to that. Wouldn’t he rather take the suspension without admitting guilt rather than admit it and still be suspended? Anyway, 2-2 isn’t bad for Pats till Brady returns.

  128. The NFL obviously needed Brady’s phone so they could leak his personal information all over the internet, which has happened with every single NFL investigation in recent memory.

    Brady offered to let them look at the phone – with his lawyers present. Meaning the NFL couldn’t copy and paste the interesting but non-investigation related bits and “leak” them to PFT, Deadspin, HuffPost, and other quality clickbaiters.

    They also provided extensive digital versions of the specific information Ted Wells wanted, but he rejected it out of hand. It’s almost like Goodell hired him not to investigate, but to reach a forgone conclusion that Goodell’s puppetmasters – Irsay, Bisciotti, and Johnson – wanted him to find.

  129. Since when did destroying a cell phone erase data that is recorded on the phone provider’s server? Any text messages between Brady and the ball boys would be documented on both phone accounts. Anyone with a basic knowledge of physics could see that the data from the Wells report indicates that deflation of both teams’ footballs are consistent with what would occur given the temperature differential and that the PSI of the footballs taken indoors at room temperature at the end of halftime would have a higher reading due the additional time to reach equilibrium. This is an insult to most people’s intelligence.

  130. Sounds like if no injunction is given Brady can still plea bargain. To me it should be a one time offer. Since he said no deal he SHOULDN’T be given a 2nd chance to lower his suspension.

  131. Appending an * to Brady is a pretty ridiculous notion. He used an under inflated football during games. He did not inject himself with performance enhancing drugs in order to gain a significant edge. Leave the asterisks for those who deserve them. Don’t try and pass them off to Brady because you dislike his success.

    For all the people who shower his name with hate because of this, do us all a favor; don’t go 5mph over the speed limit, don’t leave work 10 minutes early when the boss isn’t looking, don’t Jwalk, etc. Make sure you set the best example while living the perfect life in your little glass house.

  132. The attention that a possible equipment violation has received over the last 8 months should be embarrassing to everyone on this thread, media, and league. People have absolutely lost their minds.

  133. Brady is blind in this, as he continues to fight he continues to destroy the reputation he is trying to protect. If he was smart he would have done the same thing Kraft did, he would have made a statement that he is accepting the NFL punishment, but is firm that he did nothing wrong.

    If he takes this to court he and everyone else, including the employees who have been fired, will be under oath. A court case will pierce any non-disclosure agreement that those ex-employees have signed. The more he digs in and fights, the more the truth will be flushed out and his reputation will continue to take a hit.

  134. To everyone calling him a cheater please show me proof, even Goodell wants him to admit it because he can’t prove it.

    To everyone saying he would need to overturn his phone if it went to court (can’t now) but wouldn’t Wells have to turn over his emails and communication with the NFL to see what was asked of him? Two way road.

  135. The NFL has no case, and is trying to ramrod him into making a case for them. Take it to court, and embarrass the NFL once again. Goodell is a lawyer, but sure doesn’t understand what evidence is.

  136. IN OTHER NEWS!! NFL player beats his wife, NFL reduces hit suspension from 10 games to 4 with no apology to the victim or the fans

  137. Brady will get his lawyers and the players union to sue goodell and the NFL for big money in damages! He’ll really cash in!! Gesele will be happy to get even more money for shopping!!

  138. I must have missed LeVeon Bells public apology and shaming for his reduction.

    Doesnt matter it was only a DUI and could have killed someone. Were talking about air people!!!!!

  139. The league gave Brady months to come clean and show some contrition and for the Pats to give some apologies for their scorched earth press conferences. Neither happened. So, Brady got his just desserts.

  140. mightbegoingtohellforthis says:
    Jul 28, 2015 9:00 PM

    This should be in federal court. Tom Shady and Patriots defrauded millions of gamblers.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Really – How?

    I have a Bridge to sell you – the Best view of 0.5 PSI you will ever see.

  141. One day, Oprah is going to get all the cheaters in one room and ask them why they thought that angry denials and sue everyone was a good defense:

    Lance Armstrong, Ben Johnson, Ryan Braun, Alex Rodriguez, Richard Sherman, Robert Kraft, Tom Brady.

  142. granadafan says:
    Jul 29, 2015 11:07 AM

    The league gave Brady months to come clean and show some contrition and for the Pats to give some apologies for their scorched earth press conferences. Neither happened. So, Brady got his just desserts.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    CORRECTION:
    The league had months and spent $5 million to find evidence of Rule 17 violation and found NOTHING. Goodell lied on National TV numerous times and NEVER retracted from those lies. The unethical news media supports those lies since it is ‘What They Do’. The General Public, completely brain dead, chant CHEATER CHEATER and surrender their moral obligation to the US Constitution, Due Process and Liberty & Justice for ALL.

  143. Did we frame the US Constitution & Judicial Courts from the Spanish Inquisition?

    What country are we in?

    Am I having a nightmare or am I in the movie theartre watching a Science Fiction movie about the demise of America?

  144. I doubt Brady would get a suspension reduction at this point.

    Brady has angered fans everywhere, (yes, even in New England), with his arrogance and duplicity.

    Brady should apologize, then serve his 4 game suspension.

  145. Lets reset for a moment:

    -The NFL has zero evidence of any tampering of footballs

    -Roger Goodell based his entire upholding of the punishment on the fact that Brady did not turn in his cell phone

    So the real “charge” here is obstruction of an investigation, not cheating. The precedent for that has been set by Brett Favre when he refused to submit his phone to league; he received a $50k fine.

    How did we go from a $50k for not submitting a cell phone to a 4 game suspension for the same offense?

  146. Amazing how we are so easily driven by our emotions, distracted by assumptions, inflamed by the intentionality of others planted back when our minds were blank slates, in denial of our own weaknesses and unconsciously subject to our own predictability. It’s how we often find ourselves having no explanation for why we are standing in a meadow in a foreign land carrying a gun that three months ago we had no idea how to use. Only later, when the smoke clears and the ambulances arrive to cart the bodies off do we begin to make sense of what just happened and the part we played in this.

    Everybody lies. We are human. It’s a weakness in character. It’s also a measure of intellectual ability. The greater the intellect the more nuanced are the skills we develop for lying. It’s not malicious. It’s part and parcel of our nature. We can see it in small children as they confabulate stories when they try to explain the unexplainable.

    This has nothing to do with air in footballs or cellphones. Everybody here is lying on both sides of this ridiculous and farcical issue that started as a pissing contest and exploded into an all out war of gigantic egos. The other thirty-one owners need to step in and quell this insanity. The commissioner’s been using NFL.com as a propaganda machine to promote his team of liars, and the Patriots have been using obfuscation and deception for years to beat the system along the fringes of acceptable behavior. It’s no longer fun to watch. It’s sad, actually.

    A Pat’s fan.

  147. Let’s start with “Per a source” being about as weak-sauce as one can get for a lead-in..

    It’s the general absolution sought and gained before you have even scribed a word…

    I do enjoy the comment section though and the deep thought obviously employed in establishing the same..

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