NFLPA must respond to NFL lawsuit by August 13

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The #DeflateGate saga is sufficiently compelling to spawn not one but two federal lawsuits. The second one will be filed soon in Minnesota. The first was filed Tuesday in New York.

Via a lawyer with both a Twitter and PACER account, the New York case has been assigned to Judge Richard M. Berman. Berman has directed the NFLPA to respond to the initial filing by August 13, with this note: “Court will set a conference following receipt of defendant’s response.”

Judge Berman, a senior-status jurist who was appointed to the bench by President Bill Clinton, has been characterized as a “liberal judge.” That’s good news for the NFLPA, since the NFLPA is a union and liberal judges tend to be more favorable to the interests of labor than management.

Of course, the NFLPA views Judge David Doty as an even better option, and Judge Bergman’s initial order gives the union an opening to push the Minnesota case forward until August 13. So there’s a chance the NFLPA will try to push things very aggressively in Judge Doty’s courtroom, with the “liberal judge” in New York possibly inclined to stand down and let Judge Doty run with this one.

119 responses to “NFLPA must respond to NFL lawsuit by August 13

  1. Wow – the NFL is trying to sue the Patriots for what – not being happy with one of their decisions?

    This keeps getting worse and worse.

  2. Right now the NFL is in the news for all the wrong reasons. Tom Brady is really starting to look bad and the Commissioners office looks like it is slow to act and weak.
    Tom Brady destroying his cell phone tells me all I need to know about him.
    This reflects poorly on the entire Patriots franchise. THEY should suspend Brady for 4 games and just be done with all this nonsense for failure to cooperate with the league office.

  3. NFL is so greedy they just cost themselves the only thing money cannot buy: power.

    A “liberal” judge will crush the league and force a reshaping of this aspect of the CBA. The NFL risks losing this major asset, control over player discipline, for no major concession. A concession like 18 games would have been valued in the billions for the owners.

    April 28th this year the Missouri Supreme Court paved a path for the Brady team to dismantle the NFL. The NFL bylaws are poorly written and are in contradiction of themselves. Case in point, the NFL bylaws make clear the disqualification of an arbitrator of any kind if in any way they receive financial compensation of any kind from a sports league. Thus ruling out the Commissioner.

  4. Brady wins. Sorry haters, but this case won’t be about his guilt or innocence, but about the farce that Goodell has been running.

    Brady was punished for not handing his cell phone over? When the CBA they agreed on dictates he didn’t have to turn it over?

    Also, why didn’t Gotskowski not get a suspension as well? Same thing, he was a union guy, didn’t hand over the phone, no suspension. You tell me this wasn’t a witch hunt from the start designed to hamper the Pats.

    Call him a cheater all you want. Truth is, Patriots will win 19 games this season. Book it.

  5. I’ve yet to hear a clear and compelling reason why the LEAGUE has gone to court. It seems very strange to me but, luckily, I am not a lawyer.

  6. Get your popcorn ready? Who cares – the real football is played on the field with QB’s who don’t cheat, don’t wear ponytails as they go down a water slide and don’t scream in a high pitched little girl voice for 3 yard dump off passes.

  7. Mike you are trying too hard to sensationalize this now. Every day its another conspiracy going on were you play the pat homers into believing and they are biting hook line & sinker.

  8. …What exactly is the NFLS’ lawsuit aboot?…

    Failure to be a clueless bobblehead.

    The league (minus Kraft) organized (poorly) a hatchet job that they then failed to execute well and their lawsuit is for Brady not lying down and accepting that non-NE owners have it in for the Pats.

  9. bigjdve says:
    Jul 29, 2015 3:30 PM
    Wow – the NFL is trying to sue the Patriots for what – not being happy with one of their decisions?

    This keeps getting worse and worse.
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    The NFL is not suing the Patriots, the NFL is the NFLPA…big difference.

  10. jhein23 says:
    Jul 29, 2015 3:35 PM
    Get your popcorn ready? Who cares – the real football is played on the field with QB’s who don’t cheat, don’t wear ponytails as they go down a water slide and don’t scream in a high pitched little girl voice for 3 yard dump off passes.

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    Ironically none of those could beat the best QB in the game’s history…

  11. That makes sense, just let a New York based judge make a ruling on a Boston based sports hero. How about they investigate Eli Manning stating he takes months to get his footballs to his liking and have the judge be from Boston who decides what happens. An NFL team has never been investigated before and Brady had already refused to give his phone so the destroying of it was insignificant.

  12. Apparently everyone is a legal genius like the poster patriot defense above. Quit acting like you have a clue. You don’t. You’re just a typical moronic patriot fan. Not exactly a neutral observer. This whole story has reached the point of nausea

  13. Ironically none of those could beat the best QB in the game’s history…

    Aaron Rodgers beat him last year, outplayed him even though Brady was facing the weaker secondary.

  14. The NFL is suing the NFLPA in NY so they can get the venue. Minn. has a more liberal judge. With that being said, this time Tommy’s gotta put his hand on a bible. Big difference to lie to Goodell than in court.

  15. bradyakagod says:
    Jul 29, 2015 3:41 PM
    That makes sense, just let a New York based judge make a ruling on a Boston based sports hero. How about they investigate Eli Manning stating he takes months to get his footballs to his liking and have the judge be from Boston who decides what happens. An NFL team has never been investigated before and Brady had already refused to give his phone so the destroying of it was insignificant.
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    Sports do not matter in federal court. I doubt a judge devotes much time to caring about football and by the way there is an NFC and AFC team in New York. It’s not all about Patriots, Jets, Ravens on the east coast.

  16. Folks, remember, all of this is over .4 psi of pressure.

    Not 11 out of 12 being 2 lbs under which set off this invented scandal, but .4 psi.

    Amazing.

    #DefendTheWall

  17. The NFL is trying to get a court to confirm Goodel’s decision as arbiter according to the CBA. If Goodell prevails, the NFLPA would have no grounds to sue. They have a pretty good shot, too, IMO(not a lawyer).

  18. If the NFLPA had any integrity, they’d fold. But, they’ll continue to back guilty parties, because it’s their “job” to back players irregardless.

  19. Not a Patriots fan but Brady deserves to play week one against the Steelers. He’s the SB MVP and he needs to play in that game. Hold off on the suspension until that game is played. It’s a big game for the NFL. Maybe in the meantime Brady’s gotta read the rulebook and figure it out.

  20. jhein23 says:
    Jul 29, 2015 3:35 PM
    Get your popcorn ready? Who cares – the real football is played on the field with QB’s who don’t cheat, don’t wear ponytails as they go down a water slide and don’t scream in a high pitched little girl voice for 3 yard dump off passes.
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    More fightin words

  21. Wow – the NFL is trying to sue the Patriots for what – not being happy with one of their decisions? This keeps getting worse and worse.

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    Ummmm no. The NFL filed suit to have a judge look at the CBA and go, “Hi, do you see the highlighted part where our in house rules give complete discretion to the comissioner in regards to player discipline? And the part where they agreed to binding arbitration. And this part here where we cited precedents on the punishment. Now unless you want every federal circuit case to be people upset that they didn’t get the arbiter they liked, how about we send Mr. Brady hone with a pat on the head.”

  22. winstonsgotcrabs says:
    Jul 29, 2015 3:33 PM
    Who are the good guys? This is like ISIS v. North Korea

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    Huge Pats fan here. Still, this post above has me crying laughing. Hahaha. Thank you.

  23. exodus316 says:
    Jul 29, 2015 3:34 PM

    I’ve yet to hear a clear and compelling reason why the LEAGUE has gone to court

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Three VERY Important reasons why.

    1.) Goodell was forced by the Team Owners to uphold the suspension.

    2.) The NFLPA & Brady had this going to court unless all suspensions vacated.

    3.) Goodell attempts to protect himself with NYC Court District where NFL Headquarters & Goodell’s Office is located.

  24. The NFL isn’t suing anyone. They are merely trying to establish NY as the venues jurisdiction. It’s a proactive approach to not having MN having jurisdiction.

  25. Dear Judge,

    The Pats and Brady are being a bunch of big stupid heads and won’t just roll over and die/comply with the punishment stemming from our baseless and historically pathetic smear campaign against them. Please get them to listen to us.

    Best Regards,

    Bozo Goodell

    PS: Please don’t respond with your ruling via mail, as everyone knows that I don’t get to see anything that’s sent to league headquarters/offices, and have no idea how to obtain video from a Casino, but that’s besides the point.

  26. Whay happens if the NFLPA don’t get judge Doty? I thought federal judges were pick randomly for cases?

  27. The League isn’t so much filing a suit as requesting a confirmation of their judgment on the appeal. The paperwork was filed in NYC, so the jurisdiction will be there. As a result, even if the NFL PA sues, it will be considered as a response to the first filing and have to accede to that prior issue first, which means that the venue will not be Minnesota with Doty, but New York, where the first filing was made.

  28. pbinpb57 says:
    Jul 29, 2015 3:28 PM

    Everyone get your popcorn cause this is going to be a knock down drag out. My money is on the good guys.

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    Yeah, me too! Cheaters shouldn’t be able to wriggle out of their punishment.

  29. nels1959 says:
    Jul 29, 2015 3:43 PM
    Apparently everyone is a legal genius like the poster patriot defense above. Quit acting like you have a clue. You don’t. You’re just a typical moronic patriot fan. Not exactly a neutral observer. This whole story has reached the point of nausea

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    It’s only going to get better from here on out. This story is only going to get bigger.

  30. With that being said, this time Tommy’s gotta put his hand on a bible. Big difference to lie to Goodell than in court.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    People like you love to state this hand on a bible, no hiding from the truth, his cell phone records can be subject to a subpoena. Has it ever even occurred to you that every single person called to court will be under the same oaths Goodell, Wells, Vincent maybe even owners like Bisciotti and Irsay and even coaches like Harbaugh and Pagano not to mention all the NFL employees. This is not a one way ticket. This will be a trial fair to both sides where BOTH can examine witnesses and evidence. Unlike what has gone down so far. Guilty or not this court case is going to be revealing about so many things and no many of them either way are going to good for the league and its fans.

  31. Attorney John M. Dowd, the investigator and author of the report that led Major League Baseball to ban Pete Rose, weighed in Wednesday and said Brady was “ambushed” by Goodell and that the “entire NFL disciplinary process lacks integrity and fairness.”

    “The record of the Wells investigation shows that this cell phone was not an issue or charge below. Tom and his counsel made it clear the cell phone would not be produced. He was not cited by Wells for failure to cooperate — a separate charge never made — because he did cooperate,” Dowd said. “Thereafter, [Goodell] punished him for the tampering and made no reference to the absence of the phone or lack of cooperation.

    “Meanwhile, the flawed Wells report was demolished publicly which put Goodell between a rock and a hard place given his dismal record with disciplinary decisions. As a result, Wells and the commissioner ambushed Brady on appeal with the phone and a new charge, to wit: failure to cooperate. But they knew and had no quarrel with the non-production of the phone before they learned it had been destroyed. By adding it to the reason for the suspension, the NFL commissioner has denied Tom Brady the fundamental right to notice of a charge and the right to defend against it.”

    That pretty much sums it up in a nutshell.

  32. The nfl never requested Tom Bradys cell phone u morons. How can you not see how slimey the nfl offices are when they leak “tom destroyed his phone”. When the phone was never in play in the investigation. It boggles the mind some of you believe goodell and the nfl offices in ny

  33. The fact that the nfl is running a smear campaign on one the greats to ever play the game is astonishing. Without a shred of evidence and lying about the phone is the biggest sham ever

  34. jhein23 says: Aaron Rodgers beat him last year, outplayed him
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    Well, sure but that’s because Rodgers, by his own admission, routinely sneaks footballs by the officials that are over 13.5 PSI

    Goodell jumped the shark on this one when he based his upholding of Brady’s suspension on the fact that he would not hand over his cellphone

    Wells and the NFL were on record that Brady was not required to provide his cell phone. They didn’t ask for it – didn’t want it… that is until they realized they had NOTHING on Brady

    So Goodell moved the goalposts, took a 180 degree turn and DEMANDED something that the CBA prohibits

    So now the NFLPA has a pretty easy slam dunk case – not too many judges – let alone a liberal judge – are going to side with Management overstepping their power and authority against a Union

    Goodell will lose, but his false headline of “Brady destroyed his cellphone” will live on like the “11 of 12 footballs 2PSI under” and “Patriots filmed Rams Super Bowl Practice”

    3 things that never happened which ignorant, jealous, gullible NFL fans will forever more repeat as fact

    Bank on it – and even when he loses, Goodell will be forever popular with all those who lambasted him for going easy on wife and child abusers

  35. Old Roger outfoxed them again by getting out ahead on this and filing in New York thus taking the biased judge Doty out of the equation.

  36. bigbenh8tr says:
    Jul 29, 2015 3:43 PM
    Florio – you can’t just toss around PACER like its a casual term we should all know. We didn’t pass the bar like you.
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    Given some of his comments the last few days, he didn’t pass the bar…….he went in and closed the place.

  37. Brady cheated. No other NFL legend has such a tarnished image. Put a asterix next to his name, not because he isn’t a great player but because he thought he was above the law.

    Sorry Pats. Asterix.

  38. bigbenh8tr says:
    Jul 29, 2015 3:43 PM
    Florio – you can’t just toss around PACER like its a casual term we should all know. We didn’t pass the bar like you.
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    this 2015! highlight the word in question and google it

  39. What a bunch of idiots!!!!

    If you agree in writing to do something, then fail to complete the task, your are guilty of breaking the contract. Maybe, the courts will have to use smaller words, so that football players understand.

  40. This is what’s so unfair about the justice system. One person/business gets a liberal judge and they get screwed. If that same person gets a conservative judge they win. Shouldn’t be that way. It’s basically a luck of the draw.

  41. jhein23 says:
    Jul 29, 2015 3:44 PM

    Ironically none of those could beat the best QB in the game’s history…

    Aaron Rodgers beat him last year, outplayed him even though Brady was facing the weaker secondary.

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    Last I recall, Green Bay CHOKED all over themselves and NE won the SB, what you gotta say about that?

  42. j0esixpack says:
    Jul 29, 2015 4:05 PM

    “Well, sure but that’s because Rodgers, by his own admission, routinely sneaks footballs by the officials that are over 13.5 PSI”

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    Dude- get your facts straight. Rodgers did not say he sneaks footballs out that are over 13.5 PSI.

    He said that he prefers his footballs at the highest end of the allowable PSI.

  43. A lot of people are misrepresenting the whole phone issue….

    Wells requests phone
    Brady says no
    Wells says ok, relevant texts and emails (i.e. anything with JM, JJ, etc)
    Brady stalls for 3 MONTHS!!
    At appeal, Brady says oops, destroyed my phone, but here’s my contact list, get it all from them
    NFL says no, you had 3 whole months to take care of this, we aren’t doing your work for you, suspension upheld.
    Now Brady and his lawyers are crying foul.
    NFL is on to Manhattan

  44. The NFL is not suing the Union and Brady in the traditional sense. The NFL is simply reducing the pre-existing award to a formal judgment. It is a simple process in most cases with no trial and often without even a hearing. In most circumstances it can be done just by filing papers.

    It only becomes more complex when the losing files objections to the award and those objections are limited to four grounds set forth in the statute. It is rare that the Court will vacate an award in cases like this.

  45. Just remember, Haters. If your dreams come true and all of this sticks and Brady is forced to serve his suspension, then the precedent will have been established.

    Goodell will know he can get away with anything. Leak false info to the press. Hand out huge suspensions and take draft picks based solely on “this is what we think might have happened”. Decide the fate of appeals of his own rulings.

    The next case is likely not going to be the Patriots. But it may be your team.

    So when you are on the PFT boards, sometime in the future, talking about the unfairness of it all and how Goodell has it out for your team and the fans of 31 other teams are calling you “delusional” because you think facts and evidence are important, just remember..

    You demanded this.

  46. This is what’s so unfair about the justice system. One person/business gets a liberal judge and they get screwed. If that same person gets a conservative judge they win. Shouldn’t be that way. It’s basically a luck of the draw.
    ===
    Win presidential elections.

  47. neilpountney says:
    Jul 29, 2015 3:58 PM
    With that being said, this time Tommy’s gotta put his hand on a bible. Big difference to lie to Goodell than in court.
    *************
    Brady has already testified under oath at the appeal. Nice try.

  48. Old Roger outfoxed them again by getting out ahead on this and filing in New York thus taking the biased judge Doty out of the equation.
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    The NFL managed to trade the prospect of a Reagan appointee for a Clinton appointee in a CBA/arbitration/law-of-shop case.

    How foxy…

  49. “Dude- get your facts straight. Rodgers did not say he sneaks footballs out that are over 13.5 PSI.”

    Not in so many words, but he did say he likes to “push the limit” and hope the refs don’t notice.

    With the limit being 13.5, and “pushing” entailing moving, it’s obvious that he tries to go over….

  50. Tom Brady has quickly become a self-righteous prick who, rather than Man Up! to the fact that he f’ed up, is instead continuing on with this “I’ve done nothing wrong” routine. Dude… Christie Brinkley (a real woman) any day over Gisele (just a girl).

  51. jhein23 says:
    Jul 29, 2015 3:44 PM

    Ironically none of those could beat the best QB in the game’s history…

    Aaron Rodgers beat him last year, outplayed him even though Brady was facing the weaker secondary.

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    Rodgers must’ve been using over inflated footballs or something.

  52. The NFL couldn’t even make a simple filing correctly. How ’bout that cover sheet, boys?

  53. The NFL is suing the NFLPA in NY so they can get the venue. Minn. has a more liberal judge. With that being said, this time Tommy’s gotta put his hand on a bible. Big difference to lie to Goodell than in court.
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    The main difference between the Southern District of NY is that it’s larger than the District of Minnesota. See below for court compositions and appointing presidential party:

    SNY: 28 judges (7R, 14D), 21 Senior Judges (9R, 12D)
    MN: 7 judges (2R, 5D), 4 Senior Judges (4R, 0D)

    Among active judges, yeah… MN is slightly more liberal with 1:2.5 R:D ratio versus 1:2 in New York. But senior judges hear cases too, so you can’t really ignore them. When you include senior district judges in the mix, the ratio becomes 6:5 in MN and 16:26 in SNY, making SNY possibly more liberal than MN.

    In this case, the NFL has drawn a Clinton appointee, so if their gambit was to try and draw a more conservative judge, it backfired. If it was just to keep it SNY and away from Doty (a Reagan appointee, BTW) and MN, it worked.

  54. jhein23 says:
    Jul 29, 2015 3:44 PM

    Ironically none of those could beat the best QB in the game’s history…

    Aaron Rodgers beat him last year, outplayed him even though Brady was facing the weaker secondary.

    _____________________________________

    Last I recall, Green Bay CHOKED all over themselves and NE won the SB, what you gotta say about that?
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    *

  55. Wow – the degree of calculated-ness from the league office during this whole affair has been pretty amazing. From the first early leaks of erroneous information all the way to this “ready to go” instant lawsuit, it sure looks that there’s more than a reasonable doubt that the fix was in from day 1.

  56. The NFL is suing the NFLPA in NY so they can get the venue. Minn. has a more liberal judge. With that being said, this time Tommy’s gotta put his hand on a bible. Big difference to lie to Goodell than in court.
    ===
    Also: “Tommy” was deposed under oath when he testified during his appeal. Lying during a deposition is perjury, so I don’t think he’s too worried about the prospect of testifying in court either.

    Besides… there’s be no need. The deposition from the appeal exists.

  57. “And I want to be crystal clear: I told Mr. Brady and his agents, I was willing not to take possession of the phone. I said, ‘I don’t want to see any private information.’ I said, ‘You keep the phone. You, the agent, Mr. Yee, you keep the phone, you give me the documents that are responsive to this investigation, and I will take your word that you have given me what’s responsive.” – Ted Wells

    Does this statement from a few months ago by Ted Wells bother anyone else? Especially when you piece together the statements from both sides?

  58. I think this case deserves an injection of logic, to much legal talk and biased opinions. If this truly is a “smear” campaign against, well, you can pick, by the NFL, it would be the most illogical, moronic thing to ever do. The game itself puts the Patriots organization as well as Tom Brady on a pedestal for all to admire. You think they just decided to fabricate a report, which they paid for, to alienate one of the wealthiest owners, and an extremely marketable star at the most iconic position in all of sports? On the flip side. What was the NFL supposed to do when allegations of “neutral” property was being tampered with to create a competitive advantage? Roll over and take it? Become the WWE? Sports in general are already scrutinized for following the buck when it comes to games and their outcomes, this would push that beyond the world of doubt and into the world of possibility. A suspension was inevitable. Which brings me to my next point. There was zero reason to destroy a cell phone. Tom has something to hide, plain and simple. Maybe he has nothing to hide in regards to deflate gate, but there is something. Now, instead of trying to come to some sort of agreement with the NFL where they could review his records and put a higher level of security on what’s there, it will now be pranced around in court for all of America. He didn’t “have” to produce it to the NFL, but the NFL didn’t “have” to presume his innocence just because it’s in the CBA that he didn’t need to. I hope the hammer falls, and falls hard. BTW, the way he threw in that lame “deflator is because he’s fat” excuse wouldn’t even fly in kindergarten. Nice try though.

  59. What exactly is the NFLS’ lawsuit aboot?
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    The NFL by filing the suit is attempting to get the court to rule on the NFL’s case. Doing so, the court would establish the case in a New York court, preempting the NFLPA’s desire to have the case heard in a Minnesota court, where a judge has consistently ruled against the NFL.

    Slam the lying cheater in court too!

  60. davemc617 says:
    Jul 29, 2015 4:41 PM

    “Dude- get your facts straight. Rodgers did not say he sneaks footballs out that are over 13.5 PSI.”

    Not in so many words, but he did say he likes to “push the limit” and hope the refs don’t notice.

    With the limit being 13.5, and “pushing” entailing moving, it’s obvious that he tries to go over….
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    The m.o. for every poster of a defendant they cannot make excuses for anymore. This has nothing to do with Rodgers and what you said was incorrect. Rodgers prefers a ball on the high side and requests them filled up to the 13.5 which is meant by pushing it. The huge difference here is he also said he never cheats and doesn’t have someone named the “Deflator” take them in the bathroom.

    Now lets stay on topic and explain how a fool breaks the only piece of evidence that can exonerate himself ? That’s a special kind of stupid or did the texts contain a far lot more than what has been reported. Hmm I wonder?

  61. hivelocityimpactsplatter says:
    Jul 29, 2015 4:33 PM

    A lot of people are misrepresenting the whole phone issue….

    Wells requests phone
    Brady says no
    Wells says ok, relevant texts and emails (i.e. anything with JM, JJ, etc)
    Brady stalls for 3 MONTHS!!
    At appeal, Brady says oops, destroyed my phone, but here’s my contact list, get it all from them
    NFL says no, you had 3 whole months to take care of this, we aren’t doing your work for you, suspension upheld.
    Now Brady and his lawyers are crying foul.
    NFL is on to Manhattan
    ****
    So far the only reports/comments are that the only stalling is done by the NFL’s side.

  62. “Does this statement from a few months ago by Ted Wells bother anyone else? ”
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    Yes, this part: “…. you give me the documents that are responsive to this investigation….”

    That’s the part that makes Brady look guilty, because he never did. Just basically gave them a contact list, 3 months later.

  63. Brady replaced his phone AFTER his lawyers informed Wells. Wells did not mention anything about Brady ” destroying” his phone. Goodell wants to justify his wasting of millions of dollars for nothing. Haters read Brady’s statement for a change and the rebuttal if you have enough brain cells to process it without imploding.

  64. Goodell should just kick the Patriots out of the NFL, that’s obviously what this is all about. The other owners are crying about how they always get preferential treatment and cheat. Who cares that they have no proof in this investigation, just lack of cooperation. I’m sure Irsay wouldn’t have minded going to jail for life because the court could have ruled it was more likely than not he had intent to distribute his pills. What a joke.

    Irsay should lay off the whining and just put together an offensive line and defense and his team will win it all.

  65. Liar Robert Graft would love you to believe Belicheat turned over his phone…. but Belicheat was one of many “non-NFLPA” people the NFL could have requested to turn over their phones….. but it just happens they didn’t ask Belicheat for his phone. Graft would have you believe otherwise because he thinks the public is full of morons that will fall for his legal-lingo, slight of hand. Sorry Graft, we all know you are a LIAR like your QB.

  66. “So far the only reports/comments are that the only stalling is done by the NFL’s side.”
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    Of course, and we didn’t know about Brady’s phone….. Now we know he was stonewalling.

  67. mvp43 says:
    Jul 29, 2015 4:30 PM

    Dude- get your facts straight. Rodgers did not say he sneaks footballs out that are over 13.5 PSI.

    He said that he prefers his footballs at the highest end of the allowable PSI.
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    “‘I like to push the limit to how much air we can put in the football, even go over what they allow you to do and see if the officials take air out of it,’” Simms said Rodgers told them before the game.

  68. Liar Robert Graft would love you to believe Belicheat turned over his phone…. but Belicheat was one of many “non-NFLPA” people the NFL could have requested to turn over their phones….. but it just happens they didn’t ask Belicheat for his phone.
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    So you’re saying that Wells wasn’t as thorough in his investigation as he should have been? He failed to demand the phones of non-union employees?

    That sounds like the NFL’s problem and nobody elses. Surely such a highly competent lawyer and investigator as Wells knew he could demand the phones of non-union employees? Do you think it’s possible that you’re wrong, and that Wells did request and receive BB’s phone(s), and that there was, in fact, nothing of note on it/them?

  69. I see the Pats fans are out en masse on the talk boards and talk shows defending Tom. The world is going to come crashing down on them when Brady eventually admits it.

    The same exact thing happened to the defenders of Ryan Braun and Lance Armstrong. They eventually came clean and admitted wrong doing after suing anyone and everyone.

  70. swineflooo says:
    Jul 29, 2015 4:03 PM
    The nfl never requested Tom Bradys cell phone u morons. How can you not see how slimey the nfl offices are when they leak “tom destroyed his phone”. When the phone was never in play in the investigation. It boggles the mind some of you believe goodell and the nfl offices in ny

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    The TEXTS on the phone was always in question and the biggest point of contention.

    Brady initially refused to give the texts to the league, after they were vetted by his personal lawyer.

    At the appeal, it went from ” I won’t turn over my texts” to “I can’t turn over my texts because i destroyed my phone and refused to let my lawyer see the texts before i destroyed it but here is a list of people i texted, maybe they can help you out”.

    Brady thought that changing his story from “won’t provide” to “can’t provide because i destroyed the phone” would be a step in the right direction for the appeal.

    You can see how bad that looks during an appeal where you want someone to believe your side of the story?

  71. The TEXTS on the phone was always in question and the biggest point of contention.
    ====
    Really? I thought it was about footballs and competitive balance.

  72. Kraft said they didn’t do anything wrong. Well ok then..how about you let McNally and JAstremski talk without fear of legal repercussions from the patriots. Could clear this up right now.

  73. And the NFLPA files in Minnesota and draws a Richard H. Kyle, who is a GHW Bush appointee.

    He could choose to transfer it to Doty, though.

  74. “It’s simply not practical”. That’s the league reason for declining to work with the phone company to retrieve Brady’s data from his replaced cell phone. Brady asked the phone company if it could help retrieve his phone data. The league ” declined “. Of course Goodell failed to mention that in another of his smear campaign against Brady. Spent millions of dollars, countless hours yet declined to sift through Brady’s phone data?!! Why not? Their aim is to take down Brady no matter what. By the way that is in the Wells report but Brady’s ” destruction” of phone is not.

  75. The NFL filed this suit today in order to siphon resources off of the NFLPA’s case with Brady. It’s another example on why the facts don’t matter to the NFL, and it’s all about manipulating the results and public opinion. People have been conditioned to respond to “leaks” as if it were “the real truth.” It’s a world gone mad.

  76. Re Lee, Brady knew what was requested regarding his cell phone before his interview. At the time of the interview, he took a stand saying why he wouldn’t turn over the requested material. He was told that this was failure to cooperate. He accepted that. He lied about why he wasn’t turning over his cell phone. He desttoyed it. To later just get numbers and tell the the NFL to go ask them for texts is ridiculous.

  77. We all watched the Super Bowl. “Legal footballs” were in play. How did Brady do? Nevermind the noise, what do your eyes tell you? All this over .4 psi.

  78. I started reading Goodell’s 20 pages of fiction

    He has his first outright lie in the 2nd friggen sentence. “During the game a question arose as to whether the football being used by the Patriots were inflated to [proper levels]…”

    NO ROGER – that question and allegation arose BEFORE the game. There are numerous sources who confirm that. This was a STING – a SET UP – right from the start. You were even willing to play a half with supposedly under-inflated footballs.

    The only problem – the footballs actually WEREN’T deflated

    And that set up continued with the NFL leaking, and in writing to the Patriots, false information to the public which, like the statement “Brady Destroyed His Phone” was intended to CREATE a scandal where none existed – at least according to scientific analysis of the data contained in the Wells Report.

  79. erod22 says:
    Jul 29, 2015 3:40 PM

    When an outcome is determined by the politics of the judge on the bench, do you really have a set of laws?

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    When an outcome is determined by the politics of a group of NFL front office officials who have had a long history of hatred toward the Patriots, do you really get justice.

  80. Pure dramitization article. There isn’t a Federal Judge alive that defers thier juris oversight to an alternate judge, in a different jurisdiction. This case will be heard first in NY and the decision within that case will hold a president over the MN Case. For those who missed it, the NFL filed suit from a Federal Judge to confirm he was within his right to issue the suspension…a confirmation of rights ruling. Basically, they knew the NFLPA was going to hand pick where to file suit and delay filing to best serve Brady’s timeline so he could play at beginning of season, all the while requesting extensions to delay a judges actual review as long as posible. The NFL filing suit took control of both location and timing.

  81. Yee said that it was not until Feb 28 that an associate of Wells’ sent an email request for information from Brady’s phone, “and they emphasized in the email they did not need the actual device,” Yee added. Yee also pointed to Wells’ remarks from his May conference call after issuing his report when Wells stated that Brady could keep his phone (“I want to be crystal clear, I told Mr. Brady and his agent I was willing to not take possession of the phone,” Wells said to the media). Wells also said Brady’s team could turn over documents related to the investigation and “I will take your word for it.”

    Yee said on March 2 that Brady’s team told the investigators he would not be turning over his phone or information from it, so the league knew before Brady’s meeting with Wells that week that he would not turning over any copies of texts, etc., and that Brady did not decide to destroy his phone as a reaction to having to speak with Wells.

    “They knew four days prior to Tom’s interview they weren’t going to get the phone anyway,” Yee said.

  82. dumbaseinstien says: The NFL filing suit took control of both location and timing.
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    you might want to add “in a nearly unprecedented way”

    I’m thinking there’s a chance even a NY judge may see how unusual it is for the NFL to take this action to “affirm” something that hasn’t even been challenged and they may not want to encourage more of this sort of action

    It’s accepted that the aggrieved – if they are so – are the ones to file in court.

    Goodell can play games with Brady by changing the subject from PSI to “Brady wouldn’t give me the Cell Phone we previously told him he didn’t need to give us!”

    But judges really don’t appreciate it when they’re involved in a manipulation of the legal system

    The two judges will have to work it out on who has jurisdiction because there’s probably no point in having two separate hearings going. It may be that the one judge more experienced in NFL matters is given the jurisdiction

    Ultimately that’s up to the courts though

    I give Goodell credit for a slimy legal move to go with his slimy frame job to hope all the Haters are gullible enough to draw their attention from the horrendous PR year he had last year (you are apparently)

    But the fact that the Commissioner would be this slimy is itself, a sign with Goodell as Commissioner there is no integrity in the game

    The guy who promised to protect the shield is the guy who has given it it’s biggest stain. When the NFL HQ is as corrupt as this, it’s never a good thing.

    And I think even the Haters know this

  83. The NFL is asking the court to affirm their decision on Brady. They are trying to fish for a better judge than Doty who has ruled against them many times. The NFLPA will likely file their own case in MN where Doty sits.

    The courts will decide which will hear the case. It will more probably than not be Doty.

    Whichever judge hears the case, he will not be so focused on Brady’s innocence or guilt, but rather if the punishment is arbitrary or not.

    The union will be trying to cement the concept that the CBA allows Goodell to deal out discipline, but only in an evenhanded manner. They have already made inroads in this venture. The league is trying to find some way to get out of the anaconda squeeze the union has been slowly putting on them in this regard. If they fully succeed they will have castrated the CBA language giving Goodell the power to exact discipline with impunity.

    This is a huge case involving a megastar player and the league has gone out on a long limb with the discipline vs the evidence vs precedence. The union is salivating over this opportunity. This is CBA Armageddon.

    Remember, Brady put his name at the top of the anti-trust suit during the contract struggle. He is a union bulwark.

    I used to see the owners side of things, but now I hope the union tears them a new one every single time. Because they are evil, in my view.

  84. From the beginning, I have supported the principle that no employer should be able to compel an employee to surrender their personal cell phone (or phone records), and applauded Brady’s stand on refusing to turn over his phone records. Now it turns out that he supplied the phone numbers of all the folks that he texted to the NFL! Does he really expect all of these individuals to do what he refused to do and turn over their personal cell phone records to the NFL? Such hypocrisy is beyond outrageous.

  85. Of course the union will file in Minnesota where Judge Doddering Fool, the wholly owned union judge, presides. The preemptive filing in New York may make the MN filing moot, as that court may step aside to let the NY court, where the league’s corporate office is located, hear the case. In any event, absent an injunction, this case could drag on for years as either side is likely to appeal the ruling if it’s not in its favor.

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