NFLPA “stunned” by role of Wells colleague at Brady hearing

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The NFL Players Association will attack the Tom Brady suspension both on the question of whether NFL rules permit the punishment and on the issue of whether fair and appropriate procedures were used by the league.

On the latter point, the NFLPA will focus on the role of Paul, Weiss, Rifkin, Wharton & Garrison. Initially hired to conduct an “independent” investigation via partner Ted Wells, the firm eventually became an advocate for the NFL’s position, participating in the appeal hearing.

Specifically, the NFLPA claims that Paul, Weiss partner Lorin Reisner (pictured) sat at counsel table with the NFL, “conducted the vast majority of witness examinations (including Brady’s), and otherwise defended Brady’s discipline even though his personal work on the Wells Report was being reviewed, and even though his law partner Wells testified at the hearing.”

“We were frankly stunned when Paul, Weiss showed up as counsel for the NFL defending the discipline,” NFLPA outside counsel Jeffrey Kessler told PFT by phone on Thursday.

The NFLPA contends that the involvement of Reisner as counsel for the NFL, coupled with Commissioner Roger Goodell’s refusal to make the investigative files generated by Wells and Reisner (including notes of witness interviews) available to the NFL, make the procedure fundamentally unfair.

NFL outside counsel Gregg Levy, who served as the Commissioner’s legal adviser at the Brady appeal hearing, told PFT by phone that notes generated by NFL security officials before the hiring of Ted Wells were given to the NFLPA. Levy confirmed that notes of interviews conducted by Wells and his team were not made available to the NFLPA.

“The substance of the interviews was reflected in the Wells report,” Levy said.

The problem, as the NFLPA would explain it, is that the notes become necessary to ensuring the accuracy of the report. Information from the notes possibly were omitted from the report. Information not in the notes possibly were present in the report. Information in the notes possibly contradict statements in the report.

With Reisner having access to the notes as NFL counsel at the appeal hearing and the NFLPA not having access to the notes at all, the imbalance becomes one of the key arguments the NFLPA will be advancing in court.

86 responses to “NFLPA “stunned” by role of Wells colleague at Brady hearing

  1. This sounds unfair. Perhaps some of the lawyer types can provide and example of the unfairness and it’s impact on the appeal hearing that took place with Goodell. Thx in advance.

    Just want to get to the truth.

    No need to troll.

  2. I guess the NFLPA would rather concentrate on what could be ambiguous notes which may or may not be truthful rather than facts and actual occurrences.

  3. The usually polished and golden boy Brady became shady Brady. If you got nothing to hide then don’t destroy the evidence. Simple as that.

  4. I’m not for Brady. I’m not for the Patriots.
    I AM rooting for Goodell to lose again! Then maybe, just maybe that might spark the owners to reavaulate Goodell as commissioner.
    HEY owners, a monkey could make you the amount of money goodell does. And the monkey won’t make you look stupid time after time. GOOOO, NFLPA.

  5. And Brady “waves like a beauty queen” TY/bless you NFL’s Judy Battista for that line. I hope it catches on.

  6. That’s called a conflict of interest and invalidates anything that was decided.

    Which of course goes with the double standard the NFL was already applying to the Pats which also invalidates what they’ve done.

  7. Well, finally the union has a great point to stand on. Now, I’m wondering why they didn’t object to this AT THE APPEAL HEARING?!?

    If I was a betting man, and I’m not, I’d bet that the union lawyers weighed the benefits of raising the objection at the time vs letting it slide at the time and holding that nugget for the court battle. But, then again, if that were the case, it doesn’t make sense for Kessler to be going to the media about upcoming case elements.

  8. Wow. Just how biased and unfair in the NFL get through this whole fiasco

    From day one, anyone who believes the NFL does not have an agenda against Brady or the Patriots, has clearly got their head right up their you know what

  9. I think the Union and Kessler are trying their case in the court of public opinion. They take every shot they can because chances are they will lose in court. And they want to take all focus off of the fact that Brady was suspended for cheating. Even if his suspension is totally vacated on procedure issues, he is in the books as a cheater.

  10. “The Suck for Luck Campaign” by the Colts is what you call cheating! Why because they did it to receive the services of the best young QB in the draft for years to come, after having the Great Peyton Manning all those years they had him. That’s cheating my friends” unless you think they really couldn’t win a few more games that year if they wanted to. Talk about cheating. Wake up and smell the roses. Those other teams in line to get Luck were screwed. That is cheating on a grand scale and that’s not a lot of hot air!

  11. I am not a Brady or Patriots fan.

    So I say this with no favour toward them.

    I simply want goodell and the NFL to lose. goodell has made me NOT like the NFL offices or leadership.

    I purely watch the NFL for the players, coaches, and game itself.

    I can’t stomach HQ and especially goodell.

    These stinking owners are so stubborn and they refuse to fire goodell. I hate the owners too.

  12. There’s no way Brady wins this.
    It’s not a trial in the sense that Brady will try and prove his innocence (which doesn’t exist anyway), but rather a hearing to determine whether or not proper procedure was followed.

    Good luck with that Tommy – it’s all part of the CBA you agreed to when you gave Goodell power of judge, jury and executioner. And it certainly appears that procedure was followed to the letter.

    Goodell is so far ahead of these yahoos that he had the foresight to file a pre-emptive lawsuit in New York knowing that the NFLPA would seek a more favorable venue, and if they did, any judge with a brain would just bounce it back to New York – which is exactly what happened.

  13. Also as much as I have hated the Patriots and Brady because they beat my team.

    I want them to win. Why? My hate for goodell is far greater than any other team or player.

  14. People wake up you don’t have to be a Patriots fan to realize what the NFL is doing here this is very dangerous for the players and the game heck even the owners. Goodell is on a slipper slop and about to fall off

  15. Despite the ridiculous circus and over the past 6 months, today Brady was far and away the best player in camp. That’s why he is the GOAT and is what every team should want in their QB.

    Whether it’s 12 games he plays 0r 16, he’s going to make it his personal mission to destroy your team, and I will love every minute of it.

  16. Goodell did the exact same thing to The Saints as he’s doing to the Patriots. Did he not learn his lesson the first time. Maybe Tags will be brought back to clean up Goodell’s mess yet again.

    How this guy still has a job is beyond me. Power hungry and an inflated head is not someone you want running your business.

  17. Simple fix to the entire mess the NFL conjured up.

    FIRE Goodell – Reinsate Paul Tagliabeu

    Tagliabeu goes in reviews everything in one day, the very next day a meeting is held and he hands down the correct assessment based on the FACTS.

    Case Closed – INTEGRITY Restored

  18. funny how ESPN never reports any of this stuff.

    NFL clearly was so lambasted during the Ray Rice ordeal that they’ve been scrambling ever since to get the public back on their side. They used the tip they received from Grigson as a shinning beacon to get to that point.

    Their plan was to not notify the pats and try and catch them “red handed” (lead by the esteemed Kensil). Let’s use America’s most hated TEAM, since fans still haven’t gotten over an overblown misreported kerfuffle known as spygate.

    They blew the process since they never recorded the ball PSI prior to the game, and didn’t even know that balls lose PSI in cold weather. Once they tested that at the half, Kensil screamed eureka! We got them!

    Leaked out information the night of Sunday with hopes that on Monday that’s all anyone would want to talk about. If that wasn’t good enough created a fake narrative that was the “11 of 12 footballs 2 PSI under regulation”

    Since have scrambled to make the Pats look as bad as they possibly can and run a completely biased “investigation” if that’s what you want to call it.

  19. I’m sure this will just get deleted again, but seriously, its time for pft to find a new legal “expert.” Florio has been wrong at pretty much every single turn of this case, and he’s absolutely wrong here. The NFL is protected by privilege with their own attorneys, pretty much regardless. Even when testifying in court or being deposed, a person can almost always refuse to answer questions or provide information as to the substance of any communication between themselves and their attorney. The NFLPA had a right to the notes generated by security, prior to Wells being hired, because none of it is privileged, and as the player’s Union they are permitted their own level of oversight whenever the NFL is investigating a player. But the idea that the NFLPA, or Brady, or anyone really, would be permitted to see notes generated by lawyers that were representing the NFL, is ridiculous. Period. Full stop. And frankly anyone presuming to provide a point of view that is informed by legal expertise (as Florio has constantly done with this, and many other stories) should know this.

  20. So, here’s a question just for Patd fans to reply to:

    Hypothetically speaking – assume for a moment that there was 100% irrafutable evidence proving Brady conspired to cheat. Would you agree Brady would deserve to be suspended?

  21. Spare me the faux outrage NFLPA! If it’s “outrage” you’re looking for…how about examining the amount of outrageous legal fees you’re spending of union members money on the defense of a proven CHEATER and LIAR? I’d not be surprised that it’s only a matter of time before the NFLPA will begin receiving push back from its other players that have NOT cheated, lied, nor obstructed an investigation, nor conspired with members of his organization to break established NFL rules. You got to pick your battles NFLPA, and this isn’t one of them. How about drawing a line in the same and gaining guaranteed contracts for your members, or at minimum, doing away with this franchise tagging, and minimum rookie contracts, which in fact only benefit NFL owners, and not the players you represent. It’s a thought.

  22. I think its time for the trolls and those focused on guilt or innocence start looking at the process.

    The NFL hasn’t been honest nor transparent throughout this entire investigative and arbitration process. Most fans have drank their Kool-Aid of non-cooperation and destroyed phone.

    The CBA doesn’t define cooperation and NFL players are not required to hand over to the NFL any personal devices, emails or text messages. This is a fact no other opinion matters.

    People want players to defend themselves in the court of public opinion out of selfishness and have no regard for that players privacy or rights. They only care about their own opinions.

    This is a huge case as it pertains to every player on every team in the league. That means your favorite team/player.

    The NFL has clearly overstepped in the process. Has hid behind closed doors, isn’t transparent and fans should be outraged.

    The petition filed by the NFLPA clearly shows how unfair the process was and the NFL will lose so keep your trolling and just remember this case when your team/player ends up in the same process the Pats/Brady are in.

  23. Anyone that believes that the NFL is going to win any lawsuit should go and read the petition filed by the NFLPA, and learn just how badly Roger “Caligula” Goodell and the rest of his lackeys have completely mismanaged this debacle from beginning to end.

    If the judge doesn’t overturn Tom Brady’s suspension, it’s only because Roger “Caligula” Goodell paid him off.

  24. azblonguy says:
    Jul 30, 2015 6:36 PM

    The usually polished and golden boy Brady became shady Brady. If you got nothing to hide then don’t destroy the evidence. Simple as that.

    You may want to do a little more research before you spout off. All correspondence from the phone in question was presented to Wells. Over 10,000 texts within the time frame specified by the investigation were handed over and the NFL KNOWS IT. They put out the headline of a “destroyed” phone in order to win the public relations battle, plain and simple and easily understandable. Unless you’ve got an agenda which seems to be the case.

  25. There are a whole bunch of NFL owners that do not like Kraft, they see him as part of the reason they were forced to give up a lot in the last CBA, as in a lot of MONEY!!

    They also hate Brady, not because he beats them, most owners don’t care if their team wins or loses as long as the greenbacks keep rolling in by the truck full, they don’t like him because in the 2011 lockout Brady’s name was front and center in dissolving the players association so players could sue the NFL. That lead to Kraft being the lead in giving up concessions to the players.

    I think it is that simple, there are “influential” owners behind the scene telling Goodell to make sure Brady and Kraft hang for this, no matter what it takes. Kraft probably thought if he paid the fine and lost draft picks it would make those owners happy (I’m sure he knows who they are) but it obviously didn’t. I wouldn’t doubt that the pictures of Kraft and Goodell at the owners meeting were Kraft trying to argue that he had a deal with the other owners to not suspend Brady if he paid the fine and lost draft picks, I wouldn’t doubt that Goodell told him that those owners changed their mind. I highly doubt that Goodell does anything on his own without the majority of owners knowing and agreeing with it.

    Think Brady will prevail in court based on this and other parts of the process that were unfair.

  26. Florio is one lawyer just as the previous poster may or may not be. We will see how the court rules.

    Brady was protected by the Constitution when he refused to hand over his personal electronic communications. That cannot be bargained away.

    Goodell has lost in court several times. We shall see. Brady haters will always believe what they want to believe.

    Since 2010, on Goodell’s watch, two indefinite suspensions have been overruled, a pair of one-game bans have been eliminated, two multi-game suspensions have been reduced, and all the players disciplined in the Bountygate scandal were able to overturn their suspensions.

  27. Brady’s suspension is getting vacated. Book it. This is a done deal. And Goodell will have to resign. Won’t that be delicious for Patriot fans. Goodell is getting what he deserves after he conducted a biased, prejudiced sting operation and nothing I’ve seen or heard convinces me otherwise.

  28. I just love the comments by the people who don’t give a crap about the facts or the issues at hand. They just have a personal issue with Brady, probably brought about by his and the Patriots’ sustained success on the field.

    I guess if you’re a fan of the Browns or the Jaguars or the Titans or the AFC teams who haven’t seen division titles or playoff games in decades, you feel good seeing the Patriots and Brady “get what’s coming to them” and you sit back in your mom’s basement and root on the NFL because it’s the only way your team can win against New Emgland.

  29. It’s official, I would rather be hearing about Tebow or Farve than this any longer. I resent the NFL for making me feel like this.

  30. Obviously we Pats fans would agree Brady should be punished if there were irrefutable evidence of cheating.
    When I saw the Mort report of 11 balls at 10.5, I accepted Brady’s guilt right then and there. 2 psi or more couldn’t be explained in a satisfactory way. I went on message boards and admitted as much.
    When I learned more about loss of pressure when moved into colder, rainy elements, I thought ‘well it’s not like the Patriots let much air out’. Didn’t really make a difference in the game, but still really bad for Brady and the team.
    Then I found out the report leaked by the NFL was a lie.
    Then I learned that Gardi lied to Kraft to try and force a confession.
    And then it was game on!

  31. Profesorwymborg:

    Wells wasn’t the attorney for the NFL, he was purportedly and independent investigator. As such, his notes were not subject to attorney client privileges.

  32. Neely, I agree with your post. However, Brady screwed himself on the phone. His stance was that as a member of the union, he would turn over any information on it, period. He had already destroyed the phone so he lied about not handing it over. Now he is complaining he was not told he could be suspended for it. He then gives the impression that had he known he could have been suspended, he would have handed over the requested texts. He then goes to his appeal hearing and gives the numbers to the NFL and let them get it. . He shot himself in the head on this issue.

  33. I absolutely love how many experts there are out there. Florio has always noted the distinction between this arbitration process and a court of law. This perspective has been very much appreciated and highly useful. The crux of the issue is not a legal standard of discovery but the element of fairness dictated in the CBA. The fact that the law firm that the NFL hired for this “independent” investigation is playing both sides of the atty/client fence, opting for whichever interpretation of discovery fits their narrative, is the point. Simply put, the NFL should not be allowed to pick one set of discovery requirements for themselves and a far more aggressive set of discovery requirements for Brady. You don’t need a college education to see that as unfair.

  34. A tyrant will always find a pretext for his tyranny, as Aesop wrote in the Wolf and the Lamb.

    Goodell will get his comeuppance for intentionally ruining the reputation a good, innocent, and decent man.

    Lord Acton wrote “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”

    I’m hoping the FBI begins investigating the league office under the RICO law. A bunch of corrupt, wealthy, little men.

  35. Limakey, how did he lie? He got rid of the phone AFTER he informed Wells he would not be giving it up, and was under the impression he would not be punished.

    Yee still should have warned him against this as a precaution, but it’s quite reasonable to believe Brady didn’t think it was a problem to do what he always does.

    But this is all a red herring to distract from the lack of actual evidence and the science. The science is, to me, conclusive. Those footballs were in the ranges they should have been. Wells and Pash had to make up some non-existant reason to claim Anderson misremembered the key fact that would have completely exonerated the team and Brady.

  36. If TB had said post game when asked about fball pressure, ya I like the fballs on the low end of the rules and thats how the guys set them, they felt ok to me, sorry.
    The NFL prob would have given a small fine and maybe taken ONE late round draft pick.
    But because of either bad advise or arrogance on his part, here we are.

  37. So, if I understand this right, the NFL is punishing Brady because he destroyed a phone that “might” have included evidence of his guilt (even though they already had the phones of the key people receiving his texts). Yet, the NFL’s lawyers refuse to hand over the notes from at least tens (possibly hundreds) of hours of interviews directly relevant to the case at hand. Is this anyone’s version of fairness?

  38. Seriously, someone needs to off Goodell, Pash, Wells and this scumbag attorney. These 4 are 4 of the sleaziest scumbags on the face of the earth. Someone needs to give all 4 a quick dirtnap

  39. What I see is a bunch of very expensive lawyers, representing the NFL, the NFLPA and Tom Brady are all cranking up their billable hours.
    Whatever the result, the lawyers are the big winners and all parties have very deep pockets.

  40. If your boss walked in and told you he needed to go through your personal cell phone….what would your answer be? As a union employee, mine would be NO. I agree with Brady because he does have a Union agreement, and that stuff is protected.

  41. Come on everyone! Any company “appeal hearing” is an obligatory courtesy established in the collective bargaining agreement. The NFLPA contract allows Goodell to do exactly what he is doing! The NFLPA has been more concerned with salaries and free agency than hearing for the minority of players who screw up. Brady is a big deal because he is a Hall of Fame shoe-in. Ray Rice was a big deal to the press because the NFL under reacted. However, the NFLPA didn’t give a hoot because the player earned his punishment and luckily got off with a light suspension.

    I believe that the law suit will be much more fair to both sides. Discovery and subpoenas will expose all of the facts and reveal who deflated the balls as well as who has acted like a dictator. Unions owe bad companies for motivating the employees to join the union so it can act as a buffer between the employee and fascists corporate leaders.

  42. I am stunned by the NFL ‘ s failure to adhere to fundamental legal
    standards in both procedural and substantive issues. With all that money they keep leaving themselves open by mishandling simple matters. Never getting and reviewing the Rice tape. Allowing a partner
    In a law firm, cross witnesses in an appeal from another partner’s
    ” independent ” investigation. With all that money how can you continue to screw up and leave the league vulnerable to appealable
    issues?
    What it seems to indicate is that league leadership refuses to hire or allow professionals ( former U.S. Attorney usually with a prior FBI
    background ) to run investigations and hearings. In the league’ s defense, the league did at one time hire Mary Jo White to review the evidence in Bonusgate. That did not seem to work, likely because
    she reviewed the evidence and did not conduct the overall investigation.
    Bottom line Roger ….you continue to attempt to be investigator, judge
    Jury and then the Judge for the appeals. . It is not working. In fact it’s killing you.
    Why continue. You have lost the trust and respect of the fans and players and now a pretty important owner. Is it worth it?
    Let someone else do it and focus on revenues and other issues which you seem to be good at. Your insistence on being the moral compass
    while commendable has been a disaster. It is just not worth it.
    In the end it will harm your legacy and hard work. Give it up!

  43. Kensil and Goodell 2 former Jet employees that arent the sharpest tools in the shed. Thinking they have Brady cornered.

    Little do they know, because of their lack of intelligence, are both going to lose their jobs once this judge slaps them right in the face for their stupidty and lack of basic common sense on the deflation of footballs by natural causes and all the lies they have told in the last 7 months

  44. TB will win and here is why the NFL cracked down on spying in 06 it was supposed to be “illegal” but everyone did it with our fear of punishment The only team punished were the Pats yet at least the Jets did it after he league supposedly cracked down and nothing was done to them in 2012 the Chargers were caught doctoring footballs their equipment mgr was evasive and they were fined. There was no investigation no asking Phillip Rivers for his phone they fined the Chargers 20K and that ended that Deflategate has many many of it’s own flaws as well that they will be exposed one is the fact that the Jags complained to the league that they saw the Colts equip mgr with a needle on the sidelines during their game yet the league did nothing since it wasn’t the Pats. There has been zero consistency in the way league has dealt with the disciplining in issues like this they punish who they choose and ignore who they choose they set precedent like with the Chargers then ignore it when it doesn’t suit them

  45. Professor windbag…..Attorney Dowd of the Dowd report about Pete Rose thinks this has been a farce from the get go…He stated yesterday that he supplied ALL his notes and evidence to Rose’s lawyer during the entire process. Take off your goodell glasses and look at this for the witch hunt that it is.

  46. dumbaseinstien says:
    Jul 30, 2015 7:09 PM

    So, here’s a question just for Patd fans to reply to:

    Hypothetically speaking – assume for a moment that there was 100% irrafutable evidence proving Brady conspired to cheat. Would you agree Brady would deserve to be suspended?
    —-
    I’m not really a Pats fan, but I am a fan of TB. So I will say if they had him busted 100%, he should face discipline, including maybe a 2 game suspension.

    The problems in this situation are simple. 1) The two different measuring devices make it impossible to determine if the balls were deflated at all. That issue makes the results unreliable. 2) The cell phone thing is just plain illegal to this point. The records they wanted were available from the ball boys, and the fact is that the records aren’t in the broken phone. The are in the cell carrier’s records, which the NFL could not subpoena so far. But when this goes to court, the judge CAN subpoena them if he chooses to. The real question there is whether or not the NFL has the right to require them in the first place. 3) The NFL puts on a great show on Sundays, but they just screw up everything when they need to run an investigation. This one is looking more and more like a smear job, and a pretty nasty one at that.

  47. cmadatme – I could not agree more with you. Other fans won’t care about this until Roger takes aim at their team.

    The NFL has created a monster.

  48. limakey says:
    Jul 30, 2015 6:49 PM

    I think the Union and Kessler are trying their case in the court of public opinion. They take every shot they can because chances are they will lose in court. And they want to take all focus off of the fact that Brady was suspended for cheating. Even if his suspension is totally vacated on procedure issues, he is in the books as a cheater
    _____________________________

    Correction: he goes in YOUR book as a cheater.

    You’re lappin up every single crumb of propaganda the NFL feeds you like a Pavlov Dog.

    David Hannum said it best:

    There’s a sucker born every minute

  49. How can anyone believe Goodell and the NFL were anything but objective in this process?

    This sole issue was ” Did Brady knowingly participate in a conspiracy to deflate game balls after they were approved by game officials in the AFCCG.”

    Goodell and his minions proved it beyond a reasonable doubt in a fair and meaningful process done by the rules of the CBA.

    Or maybe they made a farce and mockery of the collective bargaining process and screwed Tom Brady, one of the best players in the history of the league. Simply to prove how tough they are after screwing up beyond belief, when actually having to show their competence on disciplinary matters.

    I believe the latter.

  50. The NFL opened their case in the court of public opinion with the initial, false, and extremely prejudicial 2 psi claim. Bring a knife to a gun fight and you lose.

  51. pleasestopthesnow says:
    Jul 30, 2015 8:11 PM

    Seriously, someone needs to off Goodell, Pash, Wells and this scumbag attorney. These 4 are 4 of the sleaziest scumbags on the face of the earth. Someone needs to give all 4 a quick dirtnap

    ———

    And you wonder why JM and JJ would never tell all….. Their lives would be in jeopardy.

    Hey, dude, it’s football. It’s four games of football. A quarter of a season.
    GROW UP!!

  52. @ Fooziegrooler:

    It would help you immensely to read the NFLPA’s petition BEFORE you spew your oh-so- predictable, over the top biased, misinformed drivel.

    Recent germane case law, rules, procedures, etc were all thrown out the 60th floor window of 345 Park Avenue and rained down onto the dirty streets of Manhattan

    read, my friend. Read

  53. If there was no crime then the circumstantial evidence is irrelevant and by the way WRONG!

    The ball jackson intercepted was tested 3 times by the league and everytime the PSI was in
    the range Wells own experts said it should have been due to the weather. If the ball that
    started the controversy was not deflated by a human there was no reason for the league to go
    any further. Nevermind all the other problems with the Wells report.

    Until somebdy can explain why that argument is wrong this is a travesty!

  54. according to the NFLPA motion all notes from the Wells investigation were denied to the NFLPA due to privilege.. How was this an “independent investigation” ??

  55. The NFL took a phone book full of lawyers to the appeal hearing.

    Thirty-Four lawyers at an appeal hearing over a suspension of a football player.

    For a league that loves it’s records they should be proud because that had to be some sort of record.

  56. What most FOOLS Fail to understand if Brady loses his federal case, ALL yes ALL NFL cases will be decided by Goodell. Judge Jury and Executioner for EVERY SINGLE case!!!
    So when your team loses its star player for as long as Goodell chooses FOR WHATEVER Goodell chooses Guilty or INNOCENT!

    The NFLPA might as well close shop!

  57. Oh By the way
    U.S. District Judge Richard Berman , Liberal
    Ted Wells Liberal
    Rodger Goodell Liberal

    David S. Doty Conservative

    Doesn’t look good for Brady!

  58. If the commissioner of “America’s game” holds court like a communist then naturally the people will hate him.

    So I say again , the referees knew that the football’s had left their control without their approval. The balls should have been brought back and re certified. Deflate gate cannot happen if the refs do their job.

  59. The sheer number of people who say that Brady deserves the suspension because he destroyed evidence, without obviously knowing the entire facts surrounding the phone, is exactly what the NFL knew would be out there to defend them, blinded by their hatred of Brady and the Patriots.

    Brady’s suspension was based on the Wells Report, a total joke of a report. The upholding of the suspension isn’t based on the Wells Report, but the new claim of destroying evidence. And there are plenty of dopes that go right along with it. This is the same Roger Goodell who suspended Rice for 2 games, got killed by the public for it, who then turned around and said Ray a Rice lied to him. A federal judge called Goodell “not credible,” legalese for lying sack of you know what.

    As a side note, I heard Jerry Jones praising Goodell today. Interesting that Greg Hardy will be playing the Patriots-Cowboys game while Brady will not. No wonder Jones loves him.

  60. Patriot haters

    Patriots record since 2001

    Games above 500 – 102
    Conference Championships – 6
    Division Championships – 12
    Super Bowl Championships – 4

    How did your team do?

  61. Tom Brady cheated and got caught.

    Wading deeper into the manure pit will not make things better. At some point you have to decide to climb out and move on.

  62. professorwyrmbog says:
    Jul 30, 2015 7:07 PM

    I’m sure this will just get deleted again, but seriously, its time for pft to find a new legal “expert.” Florio has been wrong at pretty much every single turn of this case, and he’s absolutely wrong here. The NFL is protected by privilege with their own attorneys, pretty much regardless. Even when testifying in court or being deposed, a person can almost always refuse to answer questions or provide information as to the substance of any communication between themselves and their attorney. The NFLPA had a right to the notes generated by security, prior to Wells being hired, because none of it is privileged, and as the player’s Union they are permitted their own level of oversight whenever the NFL is investigating a player. But the idea that the NFLPA, or Brady, or anyone really, would be permitted to see notes generated by lawyers that were representing the NFL, is ridiculous. Period. Full stop. And frankly anyone presuming to provide a point of view that is informed by legal expertise (as Florio has constantly done with this, and many other stories) should know this.
    _______________

    I’m pretty sure the notes in question weren’t the NFL’s notes going into the appeal, they were the notes from the Wells investigation. You know, that supposedly neutral and completely independent investigation. The NFL had access to those notes when they retained Wells’ lawfirm as counsel for the appeal. That’s called a conflict of interest and it speaks directly against the actual independency of the Wells Report. Are we really supposed to believe that fairness existed in this process?

  63. As incompetent as Goodell may be, his biggest error may lie in relying on the wrong lawyers for advice. It’s clear this firm enjoys all the work the NFL is sending them far too much.

  64. dumbaseinstien says:
    Jul 30, 2015 7:09 PM

    So, here’s a question just for Patd fans to reply to:

    Hypothetically speaking – assume for a moment that there was 100% irrafutable evidence proving Brady conspired to cheat. Would you agree Brady would deserve to be suspended?

    I’m an unapologetic Pats fan but yes if Brady was shown to have texted, emailed or hell 2 or 3 equipment, former players or coaches testify to that yes Tom DEMANDS the balls below 12.5 PSI, he deserves to be suspended without a shadow of a doubt. I’d like nothing more than this to be put to bed as fan, either outcome. If the court decides that he received a fair hearing and the suspension is upheld so be it and we need to respect the system in place that allegedly separates us from savages.
    I think everyone can agree that we have been thoroughly disappointed in all parties involved Brady, the NFL and the NFLPA) have handled it. They collectively dropped the ball. Brady if he was guilty should have owned up to it, most people would have moved on except a few (look at A-Rod). In addition destroying his phone wasn’t a smart move (he could have kept it in a safety deposit box, safe, etc if he was concerned about hacking). In his shoes I wouldn’t have handed it over but he shouldn’t have destroyed it, all it does is give the NFL:”see a guilty man wouldn’t have destroyed his phone”, while he was probably making sure the potentially greatest sex tape coup from happening. The NFLPA should have advised Brady a bit better in regards to his phone but their agenda has nothing to do with Brady’s suspension but in reality to damage the NFL power structure. The NFL needs to control their leaks going forward, it’s inexcusable that after they had the readings from night 1 and that the 11 out 12 story wasn’t debunked immediately, this is the NFL not the WWE. The big thing here is if the NFL has been found to violate labor laws (fabricate false information to prevent a worker from working) the support for their anti-trust exemption down the tube. By the way good gamesmanship by the Jets fans.

  65. The jealous losers are spewing their predictable ignorant bile but the Truth that Brady did NOTHING WRONG will eventually come out. All the pathetic haters better get ready to cry in their diapers.

  66. This will not end well for Roger Goodell. He will, and should, lose his job over this utterly botched and ridiculously overblown mess. The man is simply inept at handling and containing scandals in the NFL. The fact that it has tarnished one of the best ambassadors of the sport, Tom Brady, with little to NO PROOF of wrong doing is something that should never be forgiven

  67. “Brady was protected by the Constitution when he refused to hand over his personal electronic communications. That cannot be bargained away.”

    Really dude! there is no such constitutional protection, that is why phone records and phones are commonly required to be handed over in criminal cases. Whether, Brady or any NFl player has a right to withhold the phone in an NFL investigation depends solely on the Contract between the NFL and the NFLPA. Which question is not at all clear no matter what the NFLPA and their supporters say. It’s a question of legal interpretation which at the end only a Court will settle.

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