Patriots release emails to NFL on leaks of false information

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Judge Richard M. Berman has told the NFL and the NFLPA to tone it down regarding the Tom Brady case. That directive apparently doesn’t apply to the Patriots.

The website created by the team in response to the 243-pages-and-nearly-as-many-flaws Ted Wells report has added a new story. It’s dubbed, “League failure to correct misinformation.”

The item consists of a chain of emails between Patriots general counsel Robyn Glaser and NFL general counsel Jeff Pash. The Patriots explain that it is “presented to illustrate the attempts by the Patriots to ask the NFL to correct initial misinformation being reported by the media and to investigate sources of such misinformation, which could only have been league personnel.”

The communications in question began on February 17, when ESPN’s Kelly Naqi reported that the Patriots tried to introduce an unapproved kicking ball into the AFC title game against the Colts. (PFT later reported what actually occurred.) The report from Naqi also contradicted, to a certain extent, the original report from Mortensen.

Patriots spokesman Stacey James complained to NFL spokesman Greg Aiello that “we have ANOTHER leak . . . resulting in a report providing details that no one else would possibly have in a story that tries to implicate a day of game employee.” James also mentioned in his email the NFL’s ongoing refusal to release the accurate PSI measurements, despite the original ESPN report that 11 of 12 Patriots footballs were two pounds under the 12.5 PSI minimum.

“I cannot comprehend how withholding the range of PSIs measured in the game is beneficial to the NFL or the Patriots,” James wrote. “I can only assume, based on the scientific evidence that has been provided to us by multiple independent scientists that the PSI numbers will be within the scientific range. If we had been provided this data within days of the original report, we could have changed the narrative of this story before it led all national news and the damage was done. It has been over 4 weeks and we still can’t get a simple detail that I assume was available the night of the AFC Championship Game!”

The next morning, Glaser forwarded the Stacey James email to Pash, reiterating the team’s earlier request that “the scope of Ted Wells’ independent investigation be expanded to include a review of actions by League personnel.” Glaser said that Pash had promised to “consult with the Commissioner” about the request, but that Pash never responded after that.

Pash replied within 30 minutes, saying that “I have no reason to think [the latest ESPN story] came from our office but I certainly do not condone leaks which I do not serve [sic] anyone’s interest.”

Glaser argued in response that “the leaks would only come from the League office as it would not serve anyone else’s purpose” and urging Pash “to bring your staff and office under control.”

“We have cooperated fully and expediently with Attorney Wells and are now seriously starting to question whether we should do that while our public image and brand continues to be unnecessarily and irreparably tarnished by the League,” Glaser wrote.

Pash later told Glaser that he has “doubts that piecemeal disclosures are likely to accomplish much,” and that “[i]f anything, I would think they are likely to prompt additional questions, additional stories, and additional irresponsible speculation and commentary.”

And then Glaser had enough.

After calling Pash’s responses “pretty disingenuous,” Glaser explained that “if the League is disclosing information that is correcting inaccuracies and misinformation that are currently are hammering away at our brand, we WELCOME the additional stories and commentary.”

“Jeff, you need to step up,” Glaser wrote. “I can’t tell you the number of times you’ve told me that you and your office work for us member clubs. It has been made resoundingly clear to us that your words are just a front. They have no substance at all. If you worked for us, you would already have released today a statement to the effect of, [‘]ESPN, you’ve got it wrong. You do not have full information, you are irresponsibly reporting information that is untrue and you need to stop. Furthermore, as you now know and report reporting yourselves, your original story that 11 of 12 balls were 2 pounds below the minimum allowable psi was just blatantly wrong, we know that because we have the information and here it is…[‘]

“I would appreciate it if you would please tell me everything you are doing, and will continue to do, to stop leaks from occurring. This is information we do not have. We know of not one thing you are doing internally to investigate the sources of the leaks and/or to curtail them. We do know that the one thing we’ve asked you to do — include the League leaks as part of the scope of the Wells investigation — has been rejected by you. So do you blame us for wondering just what the heck you mean when you said, ‘I will continue to do what I can to stop leaks from occurring’?”

The last message in the chain comes from Pash, who called Glaser’s message “personal and accusatory.” He also declined to provide a point-by-point reply, acknowledging that he works for all teams, not just the Patriots.

“Sometimes that creates tension, as it apparently has here,” Pash said.

Still, the messages make it obvious that the Patriots repeatedly asked the NFL to direct Wells to explore the leaks as part of his investigation, and that the NFL refused to do so.

That directly contradicts comments from Commissioner Roger Goodell at a press conference in May. Pressed by Tom Curran of CSNNE.com on whether Ted Wells was asked to investigate leaks (including the original 11-of-12-balls debacle), Goodell said that Ted Wells “had the opportunity to evaluate that.”

Apparently, he didn’t. But that doesn’t make it too late for Wells or someone else to make another million or so finding out who in the league office turned #DeflateGate from an act of gamesmanship at worst into the crime of the century, all by leaking blatantly false information to Chris Mortensen of ESPN.

397 responses to “Patriots release emails to NFL on leaks of false information

  1. Thanks Mike,
    Thought the NFL had got to you too, since no national media outlets reported this yet.

  2. Reports are now out there that Mike Kensil leaked the now infamous report to ESPN two days after the AFC championship game which falsely stated that 11/12 Patriot footballs were at least 2 PSI under regulation and that ALL of the Colts balls were tested and at regulation. This report sealed the public narrative that the Patriots cheated.

    Mike Kensil is the same guy who was yelling at Patriots equipment personal at half time. Mike Kensil is a former NY Jets employee. He was personally involved in Bill Belichick’s spurning of the Jets to join the New England Patriots. Mike Kensil has a well documented distaste for Bill Belichick and the Patriots.

    NEVER in the history of the NFL has a player been suspended for not cooperating in an NFL investigation. NEVER in the history of the NFL has a player been suspended for an equipment violation.

    These are facts not opinions. How much longer can the national media and the fans of the NFL (outside of New England) ignore them?

  3. In 2009 a NY Jets employee was caught tampering with kicking footballs. The Jets were fined. That is all. There was never an investigation into if a Jets kicker told the employee to alter the footballs even though the kicker would obviously benefit most from the action. Under the CBA NFL players are not subject to punishment for these type of infractions. The 2009 Jets case is precedent for this.

    This is why Roger Goodell is comparing deflated footballs to PED’s because he knows the history of these type of offenses.

  4. Patriots or the League Office — hard to take a side because its hard to choose who you dislike more.

  5. Classless Kraft is about to get voted out of the NFL. As a fan I have zero tolerance for handling your business in the media. That’s not good etiquette where I come from. Also, his actions are detrimental to the league. Do these people have any shame?

  6. Just look at it objectively. Pretend for one minute that’s it’s not the Super Bowl champion New England Patriots and Super Bowl MVP Tom Brady.

    As a fan of the NFL are you OK with Roger Goodell comparing the competive advantage of .5-1.5 PSI in footballs to steroids? Are you OK with Roger Goodell taking two draft picks and 1 million dollars from an NFL team even though the invesigation, paid for by the league, cleared said team of any wrong doing? And are you OK with Goodell suspending an NFL player 4 games for being generally aware of anything? Or for not cooperating in a league investigation?

    I don’t know how any NFL fan or U.S. Citizen could be OK with any of this.

  7. This is why the case needs to go to court and not be settled. Questions need to be answered. NFL office staff need to be fired and the league owes the Patriots an apology.

  8. A shame this is being written on a Friday evening, and that the length – although admirable in that it thoroughly illustrates and explains the ACTUAL situation behind this fiasco – will prevent a certain Tom Brady effigy burning contingent from actually reading/digesting/comprehending it.

  9. The NFL is more corrupt than FIFA, and the truth is slowly starting to come out. This has been a sham witch hunt since day 1.

  10. Seems pretty clear. The league absolutely was out to get the Patriots. Choosing to let the lie about the preassures to stick and not looking at itself to protect the “integrity” the NFL.

    Shame on you NFL allowing this debacle to continue.

    You should quit immediately Roger Dodger!!

  11. WOW.

    And don’t think for a second there isn’t a lot more of these emails to come 🙂 This is what you get for messing with the NFL’s greatest dynasty.

    My popcorn is ready!

  12. BOOM! I want to hear the haters try and spin this, to…. what?

    Uh, the NFL, uh…. uh…..

    Brady is a LIAR AND CHEATER!

    CELL PHONE DESTROYED!

    They deliberately leaked info to sway public opinion never once getting it correct, intentionally took 4-5 months to get the Wells report done, so that the leaked info would be engrained in the minds of the weak

    Congrats NFL the U.S. population is as dumb as you thought it was

  13. No comment on the report on weei this morning that mike kensil was the source for the erroneous Mort report?

    Further proof this was never about doing the right thing. This was frame gate from day 1, and I hope it all comes out in trial!

  14. How can anyone in there right mind not see that this has never been about the true. That this has been a witch hunt from the start. Maybe the other players in the league should stop saying “lets see how they punish the golden boy” and start saying “if they will railroad Brady like this then none of us are safe”.

  15. Well the league wanted pages of texts and emails related on deflategate released. Be careful what you ask for Roger. This is good stuff. Time to fight back.

  16. Florio said it an act of gamesmanship at worse

    Still believe nothing happened as balls were not more deflated than would be expected

    Amazing how people soak up what Goodell says even though he is known to be a duplicitous manipulative snake, yet brady has been great off the field for 15 years and people doubt him.

    No reasonable person would put their eggs in goodells basket

  17. After reading the email exchanges, I am even more shocked that Robert Kraft disarmed at the owners meeting in San Francisco. Maybe he can no longer appeal but who cares. It’s time for Kraft to sue the National Football League and start a two front war.

  18. When will the owners realize that it is possible to hire a Commissioner who can make them good money AND not take the league from scandal to scandal?
    If any of us showed the level of incompetence Goodell has, in our workplace we would not have jobs anymore.

    Training camps have started and there are so many interesting football items of note. None of them are getting any coverage because of this silly useless overblown scandal the league created
    I want real Football back!

  19. Disgraceful by league office.

    If forced to guess who the leaks came from in league office, I would go with Kensil as #1 and Dave Gardi as #2 suspect. Tom Curran reports that WEEI/John Dennis in Boston today said it was Kensil, but am not certain how they can say that definitively.

    My instinct on what actually happened is Brady really got on Jastremski and others (e.g., McNally) about the balls (especially after 1st Jets game last season) and essentially said make sure they are at/near 12.5 and if they come in at 16 again, then I/we will get someone else to do your job. From there, perhaps these two guys went too far (and maybe they did not as there is no hard “proof” outside of the circumstantially damaging texts).

    If my theory correct, I am not sure what Brady is guilty of, but it is not much if anything.

    Middle ground is clearly large fine (to charity and to appease league) for hindering investigation, language to agree to disagree on ball deflation, and move on.

    Patriots also need to ask for reinstatement of 2 equipment/locker room guys if they truly believe they are innocent as being stated by Brady/team.

  20. Pash sounds like the prison warden in Shawshank Redemption when Andy was begging him to try and track down the true killer of his wife.

    So Pash has called Mortensen a liar because the angels in his office would never leak defamatory stories to the media.
    But Mort said clearly it was league officers in the know of the investigation.
    That exchange is infuriating and damning evidence that the NFL was all in for smearing the Patriots.
    It’s good to see the Patriots finally take the gloves off after getting pummeled by the NFL hit men.
    What say you fuzzy britches Mr. Mortensen?
    Will you AT LEAST reiterate to Mr. PASH that it was indeed some of his people? Don’t even tell us their names, just speak up about where it came from. PLEASE!

  21. cwillis26 says:
    Jul 31, 2015 6:50 PM

    Who else was too lazy to read this?

    ————–

    You should read it if your an NFL Fan because
    someday it will be your team that’s left twisting in
    the wind.

  22. My oh my! Its pretty much what all Patriots and SERIOUS NFL fans knew the whole time. Goodell and his New York goons were out to get Brady and the Pats.

  23. Now the good stuff is finally starting to surface.

    You have had your chance to make things right Goodell, and you instead try and save face for you and your cronies in the league office who are screwing this up so badly. Starting with not even knowing how weather conditions impact psi in footballs, to leaks of lies from Kensil, and now the complete lack of action to correct those erroneous leaks as well as lack of action to administer the source of those leaks. Add to this ignoring the scientific evidence that points to no deflation below legal limits, no procedures on establishing legal air pressure until 4 days ago, and the biggest mystery of all…

    WHY DID WELLS SWITCH THE GUAGES??? WHY DID HE NOT BELIEVE THE GAME OFFICIAL?

    The obvious answer is to make it “appear” that air was lost below legal.

    I bet Brady broke his phone because he was so pissed off at what he was hearing he is accused of he threw it against the wall. I would…

  24. trollaikman8 says:
    Jul 31, 2015 6:50 PM

    Glad to see Brady and the Patriots are being mature about this

    _________________

    This is the kind of crap that shows everyone just how stupid people can be. Nevermind the evidence in front of you, just keep spitting ignorance. This guy probably didn’t even read the post. Hope your teams not next.

  25. So, when the judge said for the 2 sides to mellow it out, do you think for a moment that he didn’t have the Patriots (Kraft) also in mind with that directive? This action might be outside the framework of the case, but it certainly “chums the water for the sharks” & that absolutely doesn’t help Brady’s case.

  26. And another proven Roger Goodell boldfaced lie. When will this chump stop hiding and do a press event to answer for the erosion of the sport of football under his negligent watch.

  27. And people wonder why Brady was advised not to turn over his phone…

    NFL is full of crooks, and they can’t be trusted.

    #FireGoodell
    #DisbarWells

  28. Is there any real proof at all or even a hint to who leaked the original PSI measurements? I don’t see why the league would leak false information like that but everyone assumes it had to be them. I can see the Patriots coming up with this idea to leak bogus info to try and challenge the credibility of the league from the very beginning.

  29. Now I know how Alice felt when she went through the looking glass.

    How anyone can believe anything that comes out of the league office is beyond rational thought.

    Someone needs to suspend Roger Goodell for Conduct Detrimental to Intelligence.

  30. pats4rings says:
    Jul 31, 2015 6:50 PM
    In 2009 a NY Jets employee was caught tampering with kicking footballs. The Jets were fined. That is all. There was never an investigation into if a Jets kicker told the employee to alter the footballs even though the kicker would obviously benefit most from the action. Under the CBA NFL players are not subject to punishment for these type of infractions. The 2009 Jets case is precedent for this.

    This is why Roger Goodell is comparing deflated footballs to PED’s because he knows the history of these type of offenses.

    You people need to stop comparing offenses and thinking it matters. Brady’s suspension has nothing to do with Jet’s tampering, Ray Rice and domestic violence, or PEDs. It has to do with Brady’s arrogance and lack of cooperation with his ultimate employer, the NFL. This story is just more of the same. The Patriots, and Brady, believe they are above everything. Goodell rightly told them, no you don’t

  31. Even for the haters, it should be hard to take the NFL’s side on this one. Just read these emails and tell me they acted fairly and with “integrity”.

  32. Now I’m not sure the Patriots aren’t crossing some line here but it doesn’t matter.

    Take them down boys. BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY.

  33. So, the Patriots openly release REAL and true emails while the NFL leaks false and defamatory stories and it is the Patriots who have no class? Up is down.

  34. whitetrash69 says:
    Jul 31, 2015 6:53 PM
    Classless Kraft is about to get voted out of the NFL. As a fan I have zero tolerance for handling your business in the media. That’s not good etiquette where I come from. Also, his actions are detrimental to the league. Do these people have any shame?

    —————–

    This was sarcasm, right?

  35. whitetrash69 says:
    Jul 31, 2015 6:53 PM

    Classless Kraft is about to get voted out of the NFL. As a fan I have zero tolerance for handling your business in the media. That’s not good etiquette where I come from. Also, his actions are detrimental to the league. Do these people have any shame?
    ~~~~~~~~~~
    copying your posts from other articles? If only this position made any sense.

    It is the League that has been doing business in the media. False leaks from Kensil about 11/12 balls being 2 PSI down, to Smith about Brady “destroying” cell phone, etc.

    Brady has remained quiet through all of this.

    So who is “handling business in the media?”

  36. “The communications in question began on February 17…”

    So- that’s AFTER Brady lied in his press conference about even knowing the two Moes.

    Nice try clowns… way to piss off the judge.

  37. ctbarryjr says:
    Jul 31, 2015 6:58 PM
    Instead of taking the high road, the Pats cheat again by disregaurding the jidge request,,,,,,,, cheaters, peroid.******

    Sorry to inform you that the Patriots are not part of the court case. They can say and do anything they like. You need to bone up on this case.

  38. All this proves is what we already knew: the Patriots are the greatest whiners of all time. They’re the kid that cried to mom and dad because Bobby didn’t let them play with the ball during recess.

  39. Ted Wells never ASKED for Brady’s cell phone. He asked for the information from the phone, which Brady offered, and Wells refused. Because it would be “impractical” to sort through so much information. Face it–this whole “destroyed cell phone” crap is a whole lot of nothing.

    Now we have email confirmation that the NFL REFUSED to correct the record about the false stories on ESPN, and also refused to investigate the leaks. NFL is corrupt beyond repair.

  40. BOOM! Proof right there the NFL, Goodell, Pash, Kensil, and Mortensen are scumbags. These guys have no business being employed let alone damaging the integrity and shield everyday.

    And save how Mortensen is a pioneer. He’s a typical scumbag that is employed by BSPN and the NFL’s mouthpiece..

  41. Full cooperation from the Pats…..Nope

    Judge tells the parties to tone it down with the rhetoric……Pats can’t help themselves.

    Here’s a clue Pats fans. Goodell isn’t going anywhere whether you or I like it or not. Goodell has support from 31 owners in this case and he doesn’t stand firm on the appeal without their support.

  42. trollaikman8 says:
    Jul 31, 2015 6:50 PM
    Glad to see Brady and the Patriots are being mature about this.
    ——-

    If by mature you mean finally realizing Goodell’s office lacks any integrity whatsoever and is willing to twist statements and lie then yes…they are being very mature. For Kraft to know early on the league was playing dirty pool and still fall on his sword in taking the team penalty was foolish. But now the gloves are off. Goodell is a bumbling low integrity comissioner who is willing to lie and twist statements to win the PR war. Always about PR.

  43. whitetrash69 says:
    Jul 31, 2015 6:53 PM

    Classless Kraft is about to get voted out of the NFL. As a fan I have zero tolerance for handling your business in the media. That’s not good etiquette where I come from. Also, his actions are detrimental to the league. Do these people have any shame?

    *********************

    If you truly have zero tolerance for handling your business in the media, then you should be incensed at the way League officials have been behaving since January – consistently leaking either misleading or downright false information to the media in order to control the narrative and reach their predetermined desired outcome.

  44. Anyone who watches the Patriots play more than twice a year understands and sees the Patriots cheat. It’s obvious. If you can’t see it you don’t know much about football.

  45. truthdispensary says:
    Jul 31, 2015 6:53 PM
    Pretty sure that isn’t going to make the Judge happy!

    ctbarryjr says:
    Jul 31, 2015 6:58 PM
    Instead of taking the high road, the Pats cheat again by disregaurding the jidge request,,,,,,,, cheaters, peroid.

    —-

    Hate to break it to you two, but you failed to read the judges request. He indicated the ‘NFL and NFLPA’ need to ratchet down the rhetoric. That’s, the NFL front office and the players association folks. He made no request to the Patriots, as the Patriots organization is not part of the appeal.

  46. thesteelhurtin says:
    Jul 31, 2015 7:02 PM

    Wow the Pats are really listening to the judge telling everyone to calm down in the media.

    *************************************************

    Pretty classy move there by the league letting it slip out to Steven A Smith that Brady destroyed his phone.

    The league follows its own rules and never looks at itself.

    This is just evidence to prove that it does this kind of stuff.

    Great Job Mr. Kraft

  47. Lions fan here with no stake in this……

    The more I learn about this situation, the worse Goodell and his staff looks.

    For an extremely long time, I have found myself defending Goodell because I believe he has an utterly impossible job (being the shock absorber of anger between fans and the owners) but this disgusting debacle has changed my mind on him and his inept and clearly biased staff.

    This witch hunt needs to end with Brady completely exonerated. Anything else would be a travesty to justice and fair play both on and off the field.

  48. Defamation Law:

    1. Someone made a statement;
    2. that statement was published;
    3. the statement caused you injury;
    4. the statement was false

    For public figures you have to prove “actual malice” too. Which, the emails prove 🙂

    According to the Court, actual malice only occurs when the person making the statement knew the statement was not true at the time he made it, or had reckless disregard for whether it was true or not.

  49. Repeat offenders get it tougher than 1st offenders.

    The league DESTROYED evidence and covered up further evidence against the Pats in 2007. Why would they now be taking a 180 and attacking the Pats now?

    Take your medicine cheaters.

  50. wk1234 says:
    Jul 31, 2015 7:06 PM
    Now if only the national media will report this story- like say ESPN. Ha. Ha. Ha…

    ———————————————————–

    PFT is NBC… NBC is more “the national media” than ESPN will ever be. And ESPN already did report this story.

  51. igotgamenj says:
    Jul 31, 2015 6:56 PM
    “Tom destroyed his phone for a reason and it wasn’t because it was broke …”

    OK, so what reason was that? He had already told Wells that he wasn’t giving up his phone (and was assured that it wasn’t necessary anyway–just the phone records, which he supplied). Wells had no legal power to compel him to turn over his phone. So what exactly was gained by Brady by destroying something which he wasn’t going to give anyway?

    I’m listening…

  52. Florio, as a lawyer, you understand that when someone that has damaged someone else is asked to mitigate the damages and refuses to do, and the damages do, in fact, increase, so to does the liability of the person or persons that caused the damage.

    Everything we read now is explosive. Counsel almost never use the tone Glazer used with Pash. That’s telling.

  53. Andy Dufresne: how can you be so obtuse?

    Jeff Pash: I work for all 32 teams and the commissioners office, sometimes that creates tension, as it apparently has here.

  54. …and still no evidence that Tom Brady either asked or demanded that footballs be inflated or deflated to a certain PSI. Not giving up a personal cell phone is not proof of guilt.

  55. If the NFL settles now after the Patriots threw yet another tantrum this time, DIRECTLY VIOLATING the judge’s wishes, they’re nuts. They think throwing these E-Mails out there is worth pissing off the judge? If I were a Pats fan I’d be worried about that, not continuing with the conspiracy theories.

  56. The Haters cant handle the truth. I feel seriously sorry for you if you side with the NFL in this matter or any other matter.

    The people that run the NFL are lieing, corrupt, power hungry, evil people.

    You are either getting paid by the NFL to spew your blind propaganda, or you are just flat out stupid or both.

  57. “Wow the Pats are really listening to the judge telling everyone to calm down in the media.”

    If you aren’t listening, then why should they? You do realize the Patriots have nothing to do with Brady’s lawsuit and do not have to listen to anything Judge Berman says?

  58. Now, we know why that Pats fired the “deflator”. He couldnt deflate most the balls two pounds under. Just one of them.. He only had ONE job!!! Incompetence at its finest.

    He should have to give back those shoes the Brady

  59. Since day 1 the Pats have been playing media games. The plausible deniability defense established by Belicheat, the demand for public apologies, the ridiculous website, the homemade science experiments by special interest groups, the ridiculous excuse after ridiculous excuse, and now deliberately disobeying a court order.
    The Pats are totally classless and they seem oblivious.

  60. cwillis26 says:
    Jul 31, 2015 6:50 PM
    Who else was too lazy to read this?
    ____________________________

    Translation:

    Who else is afraid to read this and see what’s really going?

  61. This is my interpretation of this all. The Patriots were upset that the NFL didn’t do anything about the fuel added to the multi-million dollar mansion that was already on fire. The Patriots fired 2 employees. Tom Brady destroyed his phone. I don’t care what else transpires, those are actions of guilty parties. Also, maybe should inform the Patriots brass, but you are allowed to dispute potentially falsified reports generated by the media. It’s now a finger pointing match. Nobody has won this case. Tom will still be labeled a cheater and liar. The Pats will still have a shady reputation, and the NFL continues to lose it’s integrity. I said it yesterday, Tom Brady did himself zero favors. He was worried about leaks from his phone as reasoning not to hand it over. Well, now you have an extremely large amount of NFL faithful calling you a cheater.

  62. jjmurphy1127d says:

    My instinct on what actually happened is Brady really got on Jastremski and others (e.g., McNally) about the balls (especially after 1st Jets game last season) and essentially said make sure they are at/near 12.5 and if they come in at 16 again, then I/we will get someone else to do your job. From there, perhaps these two guys went too far (and maybe they did not as there is no hard “proof” outside of the circumstantially damaging texts).

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I agree completely. The refs in the Jets game started this whole mess by not giving a damn what the ball pressure was, and the locker room guys made sure they weren’t giving Tom 16 psi balls a second time!

    But underinflated? Even the Wells report does not indicate that, if it were smart enough to take Walt Andersen at his word.

    This never should have been more than a small fine of the team, as done previously in such matters. The way this has become such a big deal, and slanderous attack on the League’s top franchise, is absolutely shameful.

  63. “You people need to stop comparing offenses and thinking it matters.”

    You do realize that in regards to a collectively bargained agreement precedent matters right? There is no set punishment for being “generally aware” of employees tampering with footballs. So the 2009 incident involving a Jets team employee tampering with footballs is relevant to the Brady suspension. That’s why it’s a key point in the NFLPA’s lawsuit. In 2009 Roger Goodell punished the Jets under the “competitive integrity” policy, which applies to teams only. But in the Brady case he says tampering with footballs is a competitive advantage on par with using PED’s. Haha, nice try Roger.

    Listen I don’t mind arguing with people. And believe it or not I am not a Patriots honk. I have many issues with the team in regards to deflate-gate. But if your going to post in response to my posts at least have some sense of what your talking about.

  64. Way to go Patriots. You already had virtually no shot at getting this thing overturned. Then, you continue your scorched earth PR campaign, which the judge explicitly called out. My gut feeling is: They know that this will never be overturned, so they’re going for any pound of flesh they can find.

  65. We can only hope there is a real schism between Graft and the rest of the owners. Hopefully Graft has fully ostricized himself from them ensuring that his team’s next episode of being caught cheating results in the banishment of his cheating QB and HC.

    When will the Pats be caught cheating yet again?

  66. bullogne says:
    Jul 31, 2015 7:10 PM

    Goodell isn’t going anywhere whether you or I like it or not.

    **********************************************

    Nice to hear from the only fan in the entire USA that supports Roger Dodger and his cronies!!

    A round of applause please for for bullogne!!

  67. gopblows says:
    Jul 31, 2015 7:19 PM

    Since when have cheaters become so sensitive?
    ===================================Obviously, based on your name, you are okay with cheating. and lying. and fraud.

  68. The Patriots are not a party to Brady’s NFLPA appeal. Their release of information should not warrant any sanction against Brady by the judge. Florio, do you concur?

    The Patriots chose not to appeal. They accepted the NFL’s penalty. Of course, they are subject to the NFL coming down hard on them but something tells me the NFL won’t.

  69. The only question I cared about is whether the Patriots were playing with deflated footballs.

    If YES, then they were jeopardizing the integrity of the game and they needed to be disciplined.

    If NO, then the NFL needed to exonerate those who stand accused.

    All this other “he-said-she said” is extraneous positioning

  70. This reminds me of Palpatine in Star Wars playing both sides against one another. Belicheck has orchestrated this from the start. This will bring down goodell and kraft. ULTIMATE POWER!

  71. Honestly, the NFL should be kissing Robert Kraft’s feet because he isn’t Al Davis.

    If they’d try pulling this stunt on Al, he’d have punched Goodell so hard his teeth would scatter over four states, and sued almost instantly.

    Instead, Kraft is the ultimate “the league comes before our good” type, and thought the NFL would do the right thing. He’d take a hit, the team would take a hit, but Brady would be there day 1 – which is best for business all around.

    The NFL has forgotten that it isn’t about how much blabbering there is on Social Media or clickbait “journalism” sites or ESPN/NFLN. It’s about the games. Tom Brady on the field is going to put more eyeballs on the field that Jimmy G is, and that’s a fact.

    It’s not a Greg Hardy or a Ray Rice where he did something illegal. It’s not a PED case where he got caught on a drug test. It’s a ham-fisted conspiracy by the Ravens, Colts, and NFL ex-Jets officials who all know the only way their franchises are getting to the big game is if the Pats aren’t in the way.

    My Texans have gotten clobbered practically every time we’re on the field when NE, even when we had Wade Phillips as our DC and not Romeo “the Hutt” Crennel. Yet I wouldn’t want a win over a Brady-less NE team, because it wouldn’t mean a damn thing.

    The NFL: You acted like morons. You faked evidence, you leaked spurious reports, your own handling of the matter during the game is questionable. Your investigator ignored whole reams of evidence because he wasn’t hired to find the truth – he was hired to justify a verdict.

    Duck your tail between your legs, admit you screwed up, and let the man play. Otherwise, you’re proving guys like Mark Cuban right, because a business run this way is headed downhill pretty fast.

  72. Do people really not understand that the Patriots aren’t part of the lawsuit? There’s no court order for the Pats to do anything, it’s the NFL and NFLPA that they told to tone down the rhetoric…

  73. northeastkiller says:
    Jul 31, 2015 7:22 PM
    If the NFL settles now after the Patriots threw yet another tantrum this time, DIRECTLY VIOLATING the judge’s wishes, they’re nuts. They think throwing these E-Mails out there is worth pissing off the judge? If I were a Pats fan I’d be worried about that, not continuing with the conspiracy theories.
    ___________________________________

    The Patriots are not a defendant is the federal case. The judge order Brady defense and the NFL to keep it down, not the Patriots.

  74. Kraft brought this on himself, standing gleefully by while the Cowboys, Redskins, Saints, etc were being punished. He even cheered Roger on. Now the shoe is on the other foot and he wants fairness.

    Jerry > Kraft and it’s not even close.

    Get ready for the blackball, Kraft. Just like the Raiders, you’ll be seeing a lot of yellow in your future.

  75. “mornelithe says:
    —-

    Hate to break it to you two, but you failed to read the judges request. He indicated the ‘NFL and NFLPA’ need to ratchet down the rhetoric. That’s, the NFL front office and the players association folks. He made no request to the Patriots, as the Patriots organization is not part of the appeal.”

    mornelithe, kudos to you. I posted the same thing you did after you (hadn’t seen your post). Thank you for the confirmation.

  76. Pretend you are a CEO – why would you try to destroy your own product? Why would Goodell intentionally try to destroy a successful NFL story. Answer, there is no reason. Why would Goodell want the Steelers vs Patriots to not be one of the most anticipated games of the year? Unless you have a team that is habitual offender, it makes no sense.

    Its amazing these lawyers attack everything except the stuff that matters:

    The texts.

    The lies.

    The suspensions.

    Even Kraft. Claims the fines are unprecedented. But never states Brady did not lie.

    The fake friend brought forth by the NE counsel.

    The destruction of evidence. Jastremski deleted critical texts that needed corroboration from Brady’s phone.

    Bellichek not talking.

    Not letting the two suspended individuals talk to the media.

    So let’s let Brady off, because he’s Brady. As a fan of the NFL, I am glad they have not caved.

  77. pats fans can claim a witch hunt all they want, but the texts between Brady and the equipment guys tell the truth. Cheater coach, cheater QB. The spotlight will continue to be on you going forward. The public already had this opinion before deflatefate so don’t act like this is new

  78. So this is now the 5th lie the NFL/Colts have been proven to telling.

    You got the original 2psi lie, You got the 10.1 lie in the letter the league sent to the Patriots, Blandino saying he wasn’t informed of the initial complaint, Grigson saying he never made the initial complaint, and now Goodell saying the leeks were investigated.

    That’s a lot of lying from people who supposedly have definitive evidence Brady cheated.

    That’s a lot of lying from people who claim they care about integrity.

  79. Never have I seen someone clearly display their bias and intentions so blatantly.

    Goodell must go.
    I never understood why the owners picked goodell as commissioner in 2006

  80. @gopblows

    ” when did the cheaters become so sensitive? ”

    After we learned to read and took the time to reviewed the evidence.
    .

  81. restoreintegritytonfl says:
    Jul 31, 2015 7:29 PM
    We can only hope there is a real schism between Graft and the rest of the owners. Hopefully Graft has fully ostricized himself from them ensuring that his team’s next episode of being caught cheating results in the banishment of his cheating QB and HC.

    When will the Pats be caught cheating yet again?
    ______________________

    Who’s Graft?

  82. Paints a good picture how arrogant and spoiled they are up there

    After the judge warned them to tone down the rhetoric they go and do that crap

    Defiant to be end

    Pride before the fall

    Check the right hand column on that page…..sounds like they have so much to hide

    I’d say it’s their entire legacy on cracked ice

  83. “Since when have cheaters become so sensitive?”

    When they haven’t actually cheated and are facing a manufactured farce of a made up scandal claiming they have

  84. If you think a judge is going to issue an order in a case of a sports union and player and then go “oh, the TEAM did it, that’s totally cool,” you’re officially high on your own supply.

  85. By the way, the New England Patriots and team owner Robert Kraft are not involved, in any way, in the lawsuit between the NFLPA/Tom Brady and the NFL league office. So whatever the judge told the NFLPA and the league office really has nothing to do with the Patriots releasing these emails.

    The New England Patriots were cleared OF ALL WRONG DOING per the Ted Wells report paid for the NFL. It’s fact not opinion. But the erroneous report leaked by the league office has done irreparable harm to the Patriots brand. So why wouldn’t Robert Kraft release these emails?

  86. I could care less about that report. I care about the deflator taking the footballs into a locked room with him to go to the bathroom before the game in a room with no toilet. I also care that Tom Brady was texting back and forth with the ball boys. Too much circumstantial evidence to look the other way. It is more likely than not that Tom Brady bribed the ball boys to deflate to the game balls and it had probably been going on for years.

  87. Why did Kraft accept the initial punishment for those two equipment guys? Because they were guilty!!! Kraft just wanted his golden boy protected and it didn’t work out

  88. I hope the judge throws out nflpa claims and awards NFL winner

    This kind of crap goes against Krafts signature on his franchise papers

    The Al Davis by law is being violated

  89. This is a very bad soap opera.

    Even if Brady had someone let a little air out of the ball. A fine would have put an end to this months ago.
    And that is all it should ever have been.
    The Raiders D-lineman us to spray cooking grease on their uniforms. (That would have been a great add for Pam cooking spray).

    Now this crap is going to be a topic for the entire season. And should the Pats get back to the SB we are going to have to hear about all the way through next Feb.

    Remember when it was about the game on the field and not the game in the court room?

  90. “We do not believe that the evidence establishes that any other Patriots personnel participated in or had knowledge of the violation of the Playing Rules or the deliberate effort to circumvent the rules described in this Report. In particular, we do not believe there was any wrongdoing or knowledge of wrongdoing by Patriots ownership, Patriots Head Coach Bill Belichick or any other Patriots coach in the matters investigated.” – Wells Report

  91. to anyone saying this is low class by New England, how would you describe what the NFL has done in the media since this all started?

    to the people saying anything about this effecting the court case/upsetting the judge, the Patriots actions are not the actions of the NFLPA. they are two completely different entities.

    man do people think about anything before they type?

  92. trollaikman8 says:
    Jul 31, 2015 6:50 PM
    Glad to see Brady and the Patriots are being mature about this.
    —————————————————————–
    Why shouldn’t they expose the fraud that the NFL was, the trap that they set, and the pattern of bad faith that they perpetrated?

    Why should the NFL leak all of the bad info, like “TOM BRADY DESTROYED HIS CELL PHONE”, that are now proven to not only be factually incorrect but outright lies?

  93. boltshawks says:
    Jul 31, 2015 7:28 PM
    Just think – if they hadn’t cheated to begin with, life would be so much easier.
    _________________________________________

    Just think – if they had cheated to begin with, it would have shown up in the PSI readings.

    Science facts are harder for the NFL to spin, that’s why they’ve been ignoring them since they were disproved so thoroughly.

  94. hairpie2 says:

    The Pats are absolutely destroying the nfl today.

    ****************

    I wish that were true, but my gut tells me this story will be totally ignored by the masses because they won’t hear it. I have yet to see a real national outlet report it.

  95. Maybe if the tinfoil’s not too tight on Mike’s head, he can inform the Patriot masses that judges are decidedly temperamental animals and don’t take kindly to games like “we’re just tooooooootally independent of this” the day after he says to cool out.

    At base, Judge Berman didn’t say that so the NFL could have its mouth taped shut while the Patriots can continue to take shots free from fear.

  96. Was the report that the guy nicknamed the deflator removed the balls after inspection and took them into a closed room false? That’s the one I care about. Spare me the ideal gas law because it doesn’t apply to oxygen nor is it an empirical law of physics. Another question would be if TB routinely destroys his phones then why does he still have the one prior to the one in question. Ok so third question would be why on earth would the NFL want to go thru this during the week leading up to the Super Bowl? Honestly would you want your main event under that type of scrutiny? No I’m not a hater just because I see things differently. TB could be forced to play with a wiffle ball and still drop 50+ on my skins. 20 years of losing have sadly made it easier to accept that.

  97. If you still can’t see that this whole situation is a farce then you’re exposed as a fraud at this point.
    Let’s move to the story about how the Jets were busted for tampering with the balls in 2009 and the story hadn’t been made public until yesterday. Wow, oops, the equipment guy there gets suspended and that’s it! Now prior to this the Jets were busted taping signals in Foxboro. The result of both actions combined? Equipment manager gets suspended.
    As a reasonable thinking person how do you justify this? The Patriots have already been fined $1,000,000 a 1st round and 4th round pick! How do you reasonably tack on 4 games for Brady? This is a complete sham!

  98. chc4 says:
    Jul 31, 2015 7:26 PM

    “This is a lame attempt to deflect attention away from the real story.”
    ——————————————–
    This is no where near as underhanded as leaking to Smith that “Brady broke his phone” two days before the Goodell approved his own dubious decision.

    The phone that was never going to be handed over. The phone was entirely inconsequential but the NFL used its destruction to distract from the real issue of deflate gate, you know air pressure in balls. The pressure that can’t be proven to have been manipulated. That issue.

  99. Well it looks like the smear campaign begins. Leave it to the Patriots to get the courts to limit the NFL and their investigator from defending themselves and yet they want free rein to blast away innuendos and misinterpretations. Sorry the facts are Brady had a chance to clear up the investigation by just turning over the pertinent emails. He chose to destroy the evidence. The Patriots have a history of blatantly disregarding NFL rules (SpyGate which the originally denied). These are facts. Get over it. I’ve never heard so many entitled whiny people.

  100. What most people don’t realize is IF Tom Brady looses the NFLPA might as well close shop because goodell will have the power to do anything to anyone for anything.

    Wherever you fall on Brady I hope your smart enough to realize that.

    Don’t be surprised either if a labor strike happened, That will be the only card left for the NFLPA!

  101. Not a Pats fan, but I hope they win every game they play in this year (with the exception if they go against the Chargers in the post season 🙂 ). I hope Brady wins MVP honors. Goodell is wrong and he should admit it. He has no evidence that the Patriots or Brady cheated.

  102. “Let’s move to the story about how the Jets were busted for tampering with the balls in 2009 and the story hadn’t been made public until yesterday. Wow, oops, the equipment guy there gets suspended and that’s it! Now prior to this the Jets were busted taping signals in Foxboro. The result of both actions combined? Equipment manager gets suspended.”

    So all that and the pats still continue to cheat and win while doing so. THAT is why they are awful. Why continue trying to get away with things after people have been busted? Because they think they can get away with anything as long as they win

  103. Wow. I just read the emails. I look forward to all the sports writers ripping the NFL a new one on these. Arrogant and ignorant replies from the NFL to the Patriots. Can’t believe the Pats sat on those for so long. I guess that was Kraft protecting the shield. Now I wanna see Krafts left hook! Go Pats!

  104. thesteelhurtin says:
    Jul 31, 2015 7:02 PM
    Wow the Pats are really listening to the judge telling everyone to calm down in the media.
    +++++++++++++++++++

    The Patriots are not a party in the appeal and are not subject to the judges order.

  105. If there’s anything I love more than Mike strapping tinfoil on his head, it’s the neverending onslaught of dummy accounts posting “not a Pats fan, but [blatantly Pats fan rhetoric]” messages that flood these threads. Never seen the account names before, never see ’em again, but they’re all just called out of a sense of moral obligation, I guess, LOL.

  106. To all the “way to anger the judge” people:

    1) This is not Brady or the NFLPA releasing things
    2) This is not rhetoric. It is evidence.

  107. josh1973sun says:
    Jul 31, 2015 7:56 PM

    This is no where near as underhanded as leaking to Smith that “Brady broke his phone” two days before the Goodell approved his own dubious decision.

    The phone that was never going to be handed over. The phone was entirely inconsequential but the NFL used its destruction to distract from the real issue of deflate gate, you know air pressure in balls. The pressure that can’t be proven to have been manipulated. That issue.

    ———————————–

    You mean the phone that had the texts that Brady’s lawyer was supposed to vet and then hand over only relevant texts to the league?

    The league did specifically ask for the texts and allowed for Brady’s lawyer to vet which texts got handed over. Funny how his own lawyer never got to see those texts. Then he hid it for 3 months and only owned up to it the day before the appeal?

    The destruction of the phone is important as Brady’s tone at the appeal changed from “I won’t hand over the texts” to “I can’t hand over the texts but would if i could so I am cooperating now”.

    That is why the destruction of the phone was important. Not for the phone itself but for what it contained.

    What could be so damning on the phone that he wouldn’t even let his personal lawyer see it?

  108. 12coltsfan12 says:
    Jul 31, 2015 7:24 PM

    Patriots rule our thoughts…and our teams…heck, our entire league.

    The Patriots are the NFL and we owe them everything.

    -colts fan

    ***********************************************

    Well said and absolutely true!!

  109. espn and the nfl were clearly in bed together to smear the Patriots. Disgusting. Goodell better get his resume ready. He’ll be working at Burger King after Brady’s suspension is vacated

  110. armoderate
    You are funny. The NFL put a gag on the Patriots after the story broke in January, while the NFL fornt office had free reign to blast away about 2 lbs under and illegal kicking balls. Now the worm has turned, and I for one am enjoying it. I am savoring every last haters post, because they are becoming more and more irrational as they slowly realize the way this is going to end.
    Yes, you do know how this is going to end, don’t you?

  111. Sorry, posted this in wrong spot!
    When YOU are the subject of potential wrong doing, there is NO OBLIGATION to cooperate and offer evidence against oneself. While cooperation may be used to mitigate penalties, lack thereof CAN NOT form the basis for conviction.
    When Goodell announced his decision, he seemed to concentrate ONLY on Brady’s destruction go the phone to justify said decision. What difference does it make that Brady destroyed that which the League wasn’t entitled to anyway?(keeping in mind Wells had the texts from the 2 employee’s phones showing NO texts from Brady)
    While I’m certainly not a Brady/Patriot fan by any stretch, the way this matter was handled offends all notions of Due Process.

  112. I was heretofore rather ambiguous about this whole affair.
    I wasn’t sure if he (Brady) did, or if he didn’t, and I didn’t really care either way. Now? Now you can plant me firmly in the “Free Tom Brady” camp. What a boondoggle.

    I wonder who will be the league’s scapegoat behind this? Pash? Maybe his secretary? Some poor, lowly intern?

  113. How can the Patriots expect to have any kind of credibility with the Fans outside of New England after explaining “deflator” was a weight loss terminology.

  114. Poor poor Patriot Hater 🙂

    Such denial really isn’t good for your health!

  115. For those of you who think the Pats are guilty:

    Why do you keep ignoring the proven, blatant disregard for the truth that the NFL has shown? Doesn’t that make you doubt everything they are saying in this case?

  116. fauxsoup says:
    Jul 31, 2015 8:09 PM

    To all the “way to anger the judge” people:

    1) This is not Brady or the NFLPA releasing things

    ————

    Because the clear intent of what Berman said was “hey, NFL, the Pats can say absolutely anything they want and you can’t say anything back.” No. That’s absurd, and if the Pats want to gamble that Judge Berman is the only non-thin skinned judge in the history of the world, that’s their imperative.

    2) This is not rhetoric. It is evidence.

    ———

    B-b-but they’re not involved in the case, so they’re able to say whatever they want, but they’re allowed to release “evidence.” Right. Your JD come from a box of Cracker Jack too?

  117. pixelito says:
    Jul 31, 2015 8:07 PM

    Ya got caught, Patriots.

    ———————–
    At what? Apparently the investigators found that the PSI of the Patriots footballs were not manipulated in any way that made them against the rules. In fact, the Colts footballs were at the same PSI level as the Patriots footballs. The only thing that happened at that game was something actually quite normal called A DROP IN TEMPERATURE. That’s it, nothing more. Time for the NFL to move on and admit their mistake

  118. Open your mind and put down the hate, if you can’t see what’s going on here you are just trolling for a reaction or just strait up dumb.

  119. “Kraft brought this on himself, standing gleefully by while the Cowboys, Redskins, Saints, etc were being punished. He even cheered Roger on. Now the shoe is on the other foot and he wants fairness.”

    As a life long Patriots fan this is my major issue with deflate-gate and I am suprised more NFL fans are not taking this stance.

    For me, it’s just more than a little disingenuous for Robert Kraft to come out against Roger Goodell now, when the brunt of his incompetence in hurting the Patriots, yet he stood bye him and publicly supported him throughout all of his other highly publicized blunders.

    I hate to say it but Robert Kraft played a large role in creating the monster that is Roger Goodell. Now is not the time to speak out against him.

  120. You see, this is why I think the Patriots should reconsider suing the league- something really smells here- either the NFL acted in bad faith by not correcting misinformation, or it is completely incompetent to manage the affairs of its “member” ball clubs. My pet theory is that the league is hell bent to knock the Pats down a few pegs to seek its goal of “parity”. Obviously the 31 other teams in the league are going to support this initiative. I thought Lou Dobbs did a good job outlining how ridiculous this whole mess has been- and from a highly “pro business” vantage point.

  121. eagleswin says:
    Jul 31, 2015 8:09 PM
    josh1973sun says:
    Jul 31, 2015 7:56 PM

    This is no where near as underhanded as leaking to Smith that “Brady broke his phone” two days before the Goodell approved his own dubious decision.

    The phone that was never going to be handed over. The phone was entirely inconsequential but the NFL used its destruction to distract from the real issue of deflate gate, you know air pressure in balls. The pressure that can’t be proven to have been manipulated. That issue.

    ———————————–

    You mean the phone that had the texts that Brady’s lawyer was supposed to vet and then hand over only relevant texts to the league?

    The league did specifically ask for the texts and allowed for Brady’s lawyer to vet which texts got handed over. Funny how his own lawyer never got to see those texts. Then he hid it for 3 months and only owned up to it the day before the appeal?

    The destruction of the phone is important as Brady’s tone at the appeal changed from “I won’t hand over the texts” to “I can’t hand over the texts but would if i could so I am cooperating now”.

    That is why the destruction of the phone was important. Not for the phone itself but for what it contained.

    What could be so damning on the phone that he wouldn’t even let his personal lawyer see it?

    +++++++++++++
    probably nothing.

    what’s so damning in the Wells independent investigation transcripts that the NFL has to invoke attorney client privilege?

    probably nothing

    physics explains what happened to the balls. this isabout the NFL controlling the players behavior.

  122. Waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!

    (Dayam…what a bunch of WHINERS! Just another lame disinformation attempt to try to obfuscate the truth — which is: THE PATRIOTS ARE HABITUAL, ARROGANT, UNREPENTANT, SERIAL CHEATERS.)

  123. restoreintegritytonfl says:
    Jul 31, 2015 7:31 PM
    Meet Robert Graft: a lying, whining fraudulent, loathsome man that leads an an organization built on cheating.

    Question, have you ever met Robert Kraft? Aparently not because if you had, you wouldn’t be posting this crap. He is the polar opposite, he truly is a stand up guy. Shame on you and the other bottom feeders.

  124. Jeez, can this story stop already? Not taking anything away from you Florio. I found it to be a great piece to read but this story has to stop. Ego vs. Ego with no end in sight.

    I’ve come to the conclusion that Goodell may have a tough job, especially in a social media driven world where everybody knows everybody’s business. With that being said, it’s time for change with Roger being the first to fall. 2nd, Brady is making it worse for his team and the legacy of NE. NE is and had been a juggernaut but the man that has led them to the promise land, is also tarnishing their image by destroying his phone, especially if he is telling the truth and had nothing to hide.

    This has turned into a clusterfudge and continues to be when it could and should have been squashed long ago.

  125. The real fun is going to come when Goodell and Kensil and Ted Wells are deposed and/or testify. I’ve been involved in a lot of arbitrations, and I can honestly say this was the most unusual (and that’s not a good thing for the NFL) process I’ve ever heard of. One-sided leaks coming out of the arbitrator’s office? Denying access to evidence or the ability to cross-examine witnesses?

    I want to see these clowns answering tough questions, under oath with threat of perjury. Did you know about the leaks to Mortensen and others? Was Wells instructed to come up with a predetermined outcome? What did Roger know and when did he know it?

  126. Seriously, can’t any one see what the Pats and Brady are doing. Granted, a brilliant plan, but still obvious. It is all about taking the focus off of the actual violation, which Brady is guilty of. Sure the leaks sucked, but they happen in every walk of life. The heart of the matter is were the balls tampered with? And did Brady know. The leaks have zero affect on the findings of the Wells Report. They have zero effect that Brady has lied through out these proceedings.

  127. I see the Pats beat my team twice a year and yet to see cheating. Pats are such a great franchise

  128. Maybe Mark Cuban needs to move up his timeline. Goodell will soon be in a death spiral. He’ll probably resign under the stress of justifying his 40 million dollar + a year salary.

  129. birdgang says:
    Jul 31, 2015 7:03 PM

    Is there any real proof at all or even a hint to who leaked the original PSI measurements? I don’t see why the league would leak false information like that but everyone assumes it had to be them. I can see the Patriots coming up with this idea to leak bogus info to try and challenge the credibility of the league from the very beginning.
    ________________________________________

    The information was false. The NFL knew it was false. The NFL chose not to correct the information when they easily could have. So ask yourself this question. If the NFL didn’t want false information out there, wouldn’t they have moved to correct it at once (yes, that is a rhetorical question)?

    If the Patriots leaked this information to challenge the credibility of the league, you beat back such a challenge by releasing the correct information. You don’t sit back and do nothing. Think, birdgang, think!

  130. hivelocityimpactsplatter says:
    Jul 31, 2015 7:36 PM
    Kraft brought this on himself, standing gleefully by while the Cowboys, Redskins, Saints, etc were being punished. He even cheered Roger on. Now the shoe is on the other foot and he wants fairness.

    Jerry > Kraft and it’s not even close.

    Get ready for the blackball, Kraft. Just like the Raiders, you’ll be seeing a lot of yellow in your future.

    ==================

    25 years of ownership show it the other way around

  131. The interesting thing is that this comes only a couple days after Robert Kraft’s angry press conference where he admits his faith in the league office was misplaced.

    It’s true that Kraft’s legal options with the lost draft picks or even defamation are very limited, but that doesn’t mean that he can’t hurt Goodell in other ways. These emails are probably just the beginning, Roger picked the wrong man to cross…

  132. You know I guess I should know better at my age but really all the people having a go at Brady and the Patriots for trying to defend themselves.

    No matter what your likes or dislikes of them, the players or whoever are you guys really that biased and myopic to not think it is fair to hear BOTH sides of the story?

    You are all like a lynch mob and have that mentality you are guilty because I say so and because I want you to be. How about just giving all sides a chance to make their points and cross examine the evidence?

    Since when did this country say you are guilty without a fair chance to prove your innocence?

    Not once has the league given the Patriots or Brady’s lawyers access to cross question anything, this was the only chance and choice (Brady anyway) has to do so.

    By all means hate them and loathe them call them cheaters if you want but please understand the right to fairly defend yourself at least!

  133. I hope this means the Pats are going to sue the league office for defamation for leaking out false -2psi info.

    Down with Goodell!

    But yeah, this probably did upset the judge

  134. NE, refuses to play by the rules of the game, blatantly refuses the judges order to keep quiet and stop the PR war.

    That’s NE for you. Lying, cheating, organization that thinks it’s above NFL rules, and the LAW.

  135. To everybody crying that Judge Berman said to chill out with the rhetoric, that was directed at the NFL and the NFLPA/Brady. This is a league vs players union issue in court. Kraft and the Patriots franchise can do what they please in regard to the court, they’re not involved. The league will probably counter with fines or some kind of reprimand, but I think Kraft just doesn’t care anymore and is going all in.

  136. The emails also showed the Patriots concern for McNally’ s and his family’s privacy, even safety. After his name, address and personal info was posted, the media swarmed his home which did not sit well with the residents of that home because somebody yelled ” get out of my property!” I think the source of the info was an ESPN reporter who knows someone who had relations with the NFL. I read it a while ago but am reluctant to say so for sure. Maybe you guys can track it down and tell us for verification.
    So now you haters think it’s not right for the Patriots to air these emails? Don’t you think it’s high time that the NFL gets exposed.

    I hope Kraft sues ESPN this time to teach journalists and the media a lesson on duty. The Patriots just let Walsh and the Boston Herald off the hook after the lie on the Rams walk through video which ignorant haters still resurrect even today. Enough is enough!

    The phone. Don’t you fools realized that you’ve been played by the clever use of words? ” destroyed” — The image evoked by that word worked spectacularly. Suddenly PSI is forgotten. Suddenly Brady is punished for ” destroying” his phone sweeping along the original statement that Wells did not need the phone and that he has no right to it. Goodell and the NFL are master-manipulators. Think! for a change.

  137. The only things that have been effectively established through this process are that there’s no proof the balls were deflated by anyone, there’s even less proof Brady had anything to do with it, and the NFL has absolutely no integrity. Everything else is conjecture and hearsay.

  138. lwstarr says:
    Jul 31, 2015 7:47 PM

    Why shouldn’t they expose the fraud that the NFL was, the trap that they set, and the pattern of bad faith that they perpetrated?

    Why should the NFL leak all of the bad info, like “TOM BRADY DESTROYED HIS CELL PHONE”, that are now proven to not only be factually incorrect but outright lies?

    ———————————–

    Per his agent : ““Why did Tom cycle through a phone that week?” Yee said. “It turns out he just got back to the country after taking a trip. Why did he cycle through the phone that week? The iPhone 6 was coming out. [Brady] happened to want a new phone and knew Ted Wells’ team didn’t want the actual device, they only wanted information from the device.”

    Sounds like Tom did destroy the phone and knew what he was doing when he did it because his agent flat out says the NFL wanted the information from the device and Tom did not take any steps to preserve the data.

    Notice the Agent says the Iphone 6 was coming out? THE IPHONE 6 HAD BEEN AVAILABLE SINCE SEPTEMBER.

  139. It’s funny when the trolls are on the run and they are absolutely on the run. Sorry, even if the Pats are semi disingenuous the league is more so. The biggest “cheats” in this story occurred in an office in NYC.😂

  140. So the league was inept in their sting attempt and the aftermath. Of course, this exonerates any and all cheating, right?

    I’m not saying they did or did not, and honestly I don’t care either way, as it would still have been Pats in SB 49 and they certainly were on their best behavior for that game. My point is that this whole thread is just Pats fans screaming conspiracy and equating a poorly handled situation to full exoneration. Nope, that’s not what it means. It just means that, whatever happened with Pats-managed footballs, the league failed miserably in trying to shed light on it. It does not mean that nothing untoward happened.

    Logic: live it, learn it, love it

  141. Kensil is not the source
    Like Motrensen, Curran will not give up HIS source as to why he thinks its Kensil
    His source is the Pats, of course.
    They created the whole Kensil hates the Pats scenario.
    And Pats fan all believe it because they want to.
    If the truth ever comes out, Pats and Boston media are going to look bad.
    Its not Kensil…

  142. These fake leaks are non sequitur’s as far as I’m considered. As they themselves are not far off the actual figures (one ball was at 2 psi under ) which itself is 0.4 off the other figure in other letter.

    Six measurements are around 1 and 1/2 psi under. The contingency here is it indeed did happen. Bellyaching over this to no end will not change these facts.

    Brady is selfish in his actions dragging others into this (the latest is the Fins with Bullygate) bringing others down as well as everyone surrounding him.

  143. northeastkiller says:
    Jul 31, 2015 8:17 PM

    Because the clear intent of what Berman said was “hey, NFL, the Pats can say absolutely anything they want and you can’t say anything back.” No. That’s absurd, and if the Pats want to gamble that Judge Berman is the only non-thin skinned judge in the history of the world, that’s their imperative.

    —-

    Once again, the Pats are not involved in this case, Tom Brady is. The judge’s order was made to the parties of the lawsuit, not other “interested” parties. If Exponent wanted to come out publicly and defend their work, the judge wouldn’t jump down their throats either.

    Look at it another way: you’re on this website spewing rhetoric on behalf of the NFL. Is the judge going to hold you accountable for it?

    —-

    B-b-but they’re not involved in the case, so they’re able to say whatever they want, but they’re allowed to release “evidence.” Right.

    —-

    They’re allowed to release whatever they damn well please. I say this as evidence because its release coincides with the NFLPA and Brady filing their Amended Answer and Counterclaim. Since this was made publicly available prior to said filing, you can be sure it will be included.

    —-

    Your JD come from a box of Cracker Jack too?

    —-

    I don’t have a JD and I do not claim to. I am merely pointing out the common-sense conclusions that many readers here are overlooking. If you have a JD or are otherwise more informed, feel free to state so and make your legal assessment. However, from your vociferous boasting, it’s fairly clear that any legal background you have comes directly from a box of “Cracker Jack” or your own (surely numerous) personal run-ins with the criminal justice system.

  144. NFL = Filthy & corrupt

    New England Patriots = Filthy & corrupt

    Roger Goodell = Burns SpyGate Tapes

    Tom Brady = Destroys cell phone

    …on and on it goes….. Two corrupt cheaters pointing fingers….. it’s really funny

    ….

  145. Neil, unfortunately, in today’s world, nobody fights fair any more. I think the media, social media and the refusal of any one to take responsibility for their actions. And I am just not talking about Deflate gate. It is in every Avenue in life. It is never, my fault, and if it is my fault, they made me do it so it really isn’t my fault.

  146. 1) The refs handled the footballs on each and every play the Patriots ran. Every game.

    2) Any material deflation of the balls should have been noticeable. The referees should have immediately noticed it and dealt with it.

    3) If the balls were deflated and the refs did nothing, they were either idiots for not noticing or they were in on the scam and wanted to aid the Pats. Either one should lead to immediate termination.

    4) OR… The Patriots didn’t do it.

    Remember, the refs are the league’s own game police force. I suspect they never did anything because the Pats did nothing wrong.

  147. @hivelocityimpactsplatter

    Jerry Jones had a dynasty that could have won
    (Lebron Voice)….. 5, 6, 7 Superbowls. He threw it away.

  148. thesteelhurtin says:
    Jul 31, 2015 7:02 PM
    Wow the Pats are really listening to the judge telling everyone to calm down in the media.
    ——————————————————————-

    The Judge actually asked the NFL and the NFLPA to calm down.
    The Patriots can do whatever they want. They are not involved in the court case.
    Kraft messed up by giving in to Goodell months ago, but now he is pissed. I am sure that he will do whatever he can at this point. It probably feels very good to him to feel the loyal Patriot fans getting back behind him.

  149. “Kraft brought this on himself, standing gleefully by while the Cowboys, Redskins, Saints, etc were being punished. He even cheered Roger on. Now the shoe is on the other foot and he wants fairness.”

    +++++++++++++++

    There is a world of difference. The NFL warned in writing to all teams that any team taking advantage of the “Uncapped” season would be subject to action. The Cowboys and Redskins ignored the warning and got what they deserved.

    The guilt of the Patriots and Brady is far from conclusive and may indeed be completely false.

    Time will tell.

  150. Just curious, for those calling for the Pats to sue the NFL, what would they sue them for? When Bobby “acting coach” Kraft accepted the punishment he indicated a level of guilt from the franchise, he can’t now go and sue saying that he didn’t mean to accept the penalty. If he’s that upset by the NFL catching his team cheating and then having the gall to not reduce the punishment to Golden Boy, he’s free to sell his team and leave the private club that he’s a member of.

  151. teddyrex says:
    Jul 31, 2015 8:29 PM
    The real fun is going to come when Goodell and Kensil and Ted Wells are deposed and/or testify. I’ve been involved in a lot of arbitrations, and I can honestly say this was the most unusual (and that’s not a good thing for the NFL) process I’ve ever heard of. One-sided leaks coming out of the arbitrator’s office? Denying access to evidence or the ability to cross-examine witnesses?

    I want to see these clowns answering tough questions, under oath with threat of perjury. Did you know about the leaks to Mortensen and others? Was Wells instructed to come up with a predetermined outcome? What did Roger know and when did he know it?

    ————————————–

    You do know that the NFL and NFLPA filed a joint motion for an expedited hearing? It so happens that the NFLPA and NFL both waived discovery.

    Not to mention that the question on the table is did Goodell overstep his authority granted to him in the CBA, not whether Roger hurt Tom’s feelings.

  152. limakey says:
    Jul 31, 2015 9:05 PM
    Neil, unfortunately, in today’s world, nobody fights fair any more. I think the media, social media and the refusal of any one to take responsibility for their actions. And I am just not talking about Deflate gate. It is in every Avenue in life. It is never, my fault, and if it is my fault, they made me do it so it really isn’t my fault.
    ++++++++++

    I could not agree more!

  153. .
    @jchipwood

    ” Why are Patriots fans avoiding my post ? ”

    Lol….. Dude, Patriots fans never read your posts.
    .

  154. eagleswin says:
    Jul 31, 2015 9:13 PM

    You do know that the NFL and NFLPA filed a joint motion for an expedited hearing? It so happens that the NFLPA and NFL both waived discovery.

    Not to mention that the question on the table is did Goodell overstep his authority granted to him in the CBA, not whether Roger hurt Tom’s feelings.

    ————————————–

    This does not preclude oral arguments, which the judge explicitly scheduled, and the contents of which the judge is entitled to question. Moreover, they decided to forgo discovery because the case can be adjudicated solely on the arbitration record. Much of what you are dismissing is a part of the arbitration record, and as such may prompt questions from the judge for the purpose of clarification.

    There are also several settlement hearings scheduled which the judge may, at his discretion, take an active role in, offering yet another avenue through which *both* sides may be asked questions by the judge.

    These hearings may not occur under oath, but suffice it to say lying is a tricky game and one is best not to be found lying to the judge adjudicating one’s case in any setting.

  155. As a Cardinal fan I could care less about this entire deflate gate issue. It’s irritating that the entire thing gets endlessly hammered into the dirt over and over and over and over ad nauseum.

    What I’d like to know is what the hell Goodell is doing as far as reinstating Daryl Washington.
    TODAY was the deadline. PFT and the NFL has ZERO information. Why is that? WHY cannot SOMEBODY just say SOMETHING about the status of D Wash?

  156. This really does not shine light on anything. This is an office place version of a pissing contest. Wouldn’t this be easier if the two equipment boys accused of being directly involved had to testify?? Where are these two in all of this? It just seems like the Patriots are attempting to cloud the issue with distraction techniques. Not really taking a side at this point, just one mans opinion.

  157. National Football to Bush League. This is disgraceful, and a light into just how talentless you can be and still be at the helm of a league moving this many dollars.

  158. Just one thing to throw out there. People have made a comment about how the ex jets guys were trying to undermine/go after Belichick and using Brady. Maybe that wasn’t the case. What if Kraft was the target of Goodell’s wrath? Remember Kraft was on ALL accounts (owners and NFLPA) instrumental in getting the labor agreement done. Kraft has been seen as more influential than any other owner or dare I say the commish. Was something done to the balls possibly nothing like sensationalizing it and knocking down Kraft a peg or two. Just a thought.

  159. As others have stated the patriots organization were never apart of the “gag order” issued by this judge, only the NFL and Brady’s defense team. It’s possible that Kraft and the patriots are acting as a proxy for Brady. They are leaking information now to help him like the NFL leaked FALSE information to further their agenda. They have e-mail records of asking the league office to stop the leaks, to no avail.

    It seems odd that Brady would inform Goodell that he destroyed his phone after telling Well’s he would not turn it over (any U.S. Citizen who willingly turns over personal and private property, whether guilty or innocent, doesn’t truly understand the abuse of power that is prevalent in governing bodies or the 4th Amendment).

    It’s odd because Brady did not have to tell Goodell that he destroyed the phone, but simply tell the commissioner “no” like he did to Well’s, since the NFL does not have the power to subpoena phone records. Especially if he is taking it to court, who does have that power.

    Is it possible that Brady willingly gave that information in the hopes it would be leaked again?

    I am a patriots fan, and admit it is possible that Brady cheated, but the reverse is also possible. One can look up and find factual evidence of every team cheating, but Brady’s fight is more important than merely deflating footballs, it is the essence of trying to stop a self-governing body from running amuck and abusing it’s power simply because it can. Which, if they win, can do arbitrarily to any team whenever it suits their needs.

    George Washington said government is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. Anything that governs itself, and grows “to big to fail” inevitably becomes immoral and self-serving.

    “More probable than not” is not sufficient in a court of law, an arbitration, collective bargaining agreement, or anything else where fairness and “blind” justice are considered paramount.

  160. mark4steelers says:
    Jul 31, 2015 7:14 PM

    Looks like an incredible amount of conjecture from the Pats towards the NFL, but nothing of substance.
    ————————————-

    No, the whole deflategate* debacle is nothing more than an incredible amount of conjecture from the NFL towards Tom Brady.

    The Patriots have emails to back up their claims.

  161. tbisgod says:
    Jul 31, 2015 8:57 PM
    Kensil is not the source
    Like Motrensen, Curran will not give up HIS source as to why he thinks its Kensil
    His source is the Pats, of course.
    They created the whole Kensil hates the Pats scenario.
    And Pats fan all believe it because they want to.
    If the truth ever comes out, Pats and Boston media are going to look bad.
    Its not Kensil…

    —————————–
    You really have to love all these people who believe they have “inside information”. I wish I could live in their delusional world.

  162. So if you read the email exchange between Pash and Glaser there is the following gem from Pash-

    “Once the investigation is complete and the facts are known, any incorrect reporting will be shown for what it is.”

    Wow – what a statement when you stack it up against the Mortensen report that is still hanging around out there. As Florio has said at least a few times, this story would not have had legs were it not for that “incorrect reporting”.

    Too bad that the hearing to try and resolve this is going to be limited to the information that was put into the record for the appeal as it would be fascinating to be able to see Pash’s emails to others in the league office from this time. If we saw them we would be able to figure out whether Pash was just being lazy and stupid when he declined to do anything about the leaks, or if he was complicit and the league office was just a big old corrupt bunch of cronies.

  163. Way to go, Florio. Early on you knew this was deeper than air pressure. And your legal background has helped shed light on the potential gaps in the accusations the NFL has levied.

    It’s war people. And there are a lot of Patriots fans who are about to stand up!

  164. New England is just plain slimy… Put an asterick next to every Lombardi Trophy.

  165. eagleswin says:
    Jul 31, 2015 8:09 PM

    josh1973sun says:
    Jul 31, 2015 7:56 PM

    This is no where near as underhanded as leaking to Smith that “Brady broke his phone” two days before the Goodell approved his own dubious decision.

    The phone that was never going to be handed over. The phone was entirely inconsequential but the NFL used its destruction to distract from the real issue of deflate gate, you know air pressure in balls. The pressure that can’t be proven to have been manipulated. That issue.

    ———————————–

    You mean the phone that had the texts that Brady’s lawyer was supposed to vet and then hand over only relevant texts to the league?

    The league did specifically ask for the texts and allowed for Brady’s lawyer to vet which texts got handed over. Funny how his own lawyer never got to see those texts. Then he hid it for 3 months and only owned up to it the day before the appeal?

    The destruction of the phone is important as Brady’s tone at the appeal changed from “I won’t hand over the texts” to “I can’t hand over the texts but would if i could so I am cooperating now”.

    That is why the destruction of the phone was important. Not for the phone itself but for what it contained.

    What could be so damning on the phone that he wouldn’t even let his personal lawyer see it?
    ———————————————

    He destroyed his phone AFTER he was told, by both sides, he would not be required to hand it over. The NFL had the texts and phones of both ball boys. Which included the texts from and too Brady which contained NOTHING. Brady offered Goodell a comprehensive list of all his calls and texts to people relevant to the investigation (only 28 people). The NFL decided it wasn’t worth the time to investigate it any further after spending the last 4 or so months and 5 million plus “investigating” something that never happened.

    Now, tell me, why would the NFL not want to investigate any further?

    They were never looking for the truth. They had everything they already needed. Leaked lies that destroyed public perception of the Braddy that they refused to correct for 3 plus months burning into the public mind that he cheated. They had a spin doctor “lawyer” blatantly manipulate the data in his investigation to paint a false picture further cementing a false perception. Until, of course, it was completely debunked by unbiased outside sources. Then, in a stunningly obvious misdirection ploy they used the destroyed phone as an excuse for upholding Brady’s suspending.

    Think on that timeline. They originally punished Brady for one thing (a blatantly flawed investigation) and several months later they uphold that punishment for something entirely different (destroying a phone he was never required to provide and was told would not be required).

    Why did they do that?

    Because they know the 5 million dollar investigation is a steaming pile of Dog excrement. So they trump up this “BRADY DESTROYED HIS PHONE” misdirection ploy to mind screw the sheeple because they have NOTHING else. No proof of anything.

    Brady was charged of one thing and convicted of another. Seriously.

  166. I’m starting to believe this could bring down Goodell and perhaps a few owners. This is akin to the cops hauling in a suspect for suspected Jay walking ( no witnesses) and charging them with murder, a gross abuse of power that could take down the league office. Ands what with these owners tossing out blind support of Goodell even with more coming is out about the false leak to Mort? What does John Mara have to hide? Could certain owners be conspiring against Kraft? This goes deep.

  167. I am happy the Patriots are fighting back. They had to sign an NDA before the NFL would share the true psi readjngs with them, the whole time ESPN/NFL letting the public think 11 of 12 were 2 psi below minimum. The Patriots could not say a thing.

    Now the courts bave tied the NFL’s hands and they can’t say anything.

    You know what they say… Karma is a bitch.

  168. WOW! Now THIS is what a billion dollar all in looks like. Anyone who questioned what a stand up guy Bob Kraft is (including me) after we thought he was a complicit wuss when he sucked it up and accepted what the league was handing out “for the greater good” needs to look in the mirror. There will be blood

  169. “But why would the Wells Report be biased? He’s an independent investigator. Goodell hired him and he’s impartial…”

    – Every single nacho cheese dorito dink Brady denier for the last 7 months

  170. idun215 says:
    Jul 31, 2015 8:13 PM

    How can the Patriots expect to have any kind of credibility with the Fans outside of New England after explaining “deflator” was a weight loss terminology.
    ——————————-

    Typical hater mentality. Focus on something that has no bearing to the relevant facts of the deflategate* debacle.

  171. HATERS: “Cheaters! Belicheat! Asterisks! Liars!”

    *This just in: Roger Goodell hires Ted Wells to investigate haters’ favorite team in regards to an issue that there is no evidence of…

    HATERS: “Hey now, wait just a minute…”

  172. The investigation that found Brady at fault was not based on the leaked emails. It was based on the evidence that Wells was able to collect from the clandestine Patriots. And this action by the Patriots is just more smoke and mirrors from the smoke-and-mirrors team who, by the way, according to their nature are once again exploiting a loophole. No they’re not the NFLPA but they’re representing the NFLPA’s interests. Hopefully the judge is sharp enough to see that and admonish them.

  173. thesteelhurtin says:
    Jul 31, 2015 7:02 PM

    Wow the Pats are really listening to the judge telling everyone to calm down in the media.

    ***************************************************************

    Seriously? You need an explanation? Okay…The NFLPA (union) and the NFL (National Football League) were told to stop the rhetoric. They have stopped. They listened to the judge. The Patriots Organization, on the other hand, are NOT a part of the court case and are therefore not obligated to tone it down. Got it?

  174. fauxsoup says:
    Jul 31, 2015 9:04 PM

    Once again, the Pats are not involved in this case, Tom Brady is. The judge’s order was made to the parties of the lawsuit, not other “interested” parties. If Exponent wanted to come out publicly and defend their work, the judge wouldn’t jump down their throats either.

    Look at it another way: you’re on this website spewing rhetoric on behalf of the NFL. Is the judge going to hold you accountable for it?

    =============================

    I’m going to disagree with your analogy. The Pats and Brady have a very close relationship and the Pats are very invested in the outcome. That is a huge difference from being a PFT poster spouting his opinion.

    I think a more accurate analogy would be if Giselle started spewing rhetoric on behalf of Tom. The judge absolutely could see that as a circumvention of his order.

  175. #BoycottMortensen change the channel everytime Chris “no integrity” Mortensen shows his face.

    Can’t respect a reporter who doesn’t care if his reports are correct or not. To date hasn’t admitted he was wrong.

    I don’t expect a reporter to give up his sources but at least admit u were wrong and used by your sources for their own personal agenda.

  176. Ugh. I’m exhausted. 31 other teams in the league and if this was any other team, the Patriot fans and Kraft would be at the front of the line demanding justice. Their hands are not clean but they keep getting on that high horse and the rhetoric coming out of NE is turning me off (not a Pats fan but not a hater either. I used to respect them but they lost me this summer). What comes around, goes around. Karma is coming, Boston, and I’ll be shaking my head when the other 31 cheer and jeer. How sad is that?

  177. What do the pats fans say about the email exchanges between Brady and the equipment guys? People seem to agree that someone nicknamed “the deflator” does not look innocent here. Why were those guys suspended? Why did Kraft say they would accept the penalty from the NFL if they were just going to whine about being treated unfairly right after? Even if it was handled unfairly, take your punishment as you said you would because you certainly were treated unfairly in spygate when Goodell burned all the tapes and SAVED the team from further embarrassment

  178. Besides…it’s posted on a PATRIOTS owned website. The information put out by Kraft & Co isn’t exactly what any thinking person would call reliable. When this is all done, the Patriots organization is going to be a burnt out shell…you people did this to yourselves, y’know. History of cheating. Arrogant and obnoxious sore winner fans. Arrogant and obnoxious QB and Head Coach. Arrogant and obnoxious former players becoming commentators and doing nothing more than carrying the water for this embarrassment of an organization. Get lost, patsy fans…get lost, Kraft…get lost, Brady…get lost, Rodney Harrison. No one cares, you have lost. Even if you go to court and win, you’ve still lost…football fans have had enough of all of you. Be happy you still have a franchise, Boston, because you sure don’t deserve one. And no…I don’t care what you think.

  179. Yup, nobody fights fair. When presented with facts refuting your agenda, ignore them and repeat your erroneous premise(Brady said he didn’t know McNally). If you don’t have facts to support your argument, make some up. Keep repeating them as if they were true. It’s the hater way.

  180. The NFL is so stupid! I think tom brady should be allowed to cheat whenever he wants since he never killed or beat anyone. I think The NFL is hating because the nfl wanted to burn his phone and any evidence just like they did in spygate.

    #freebrady

  181. This is all I want to ask the PFT faithful:

    If this is truly a “set up” job by Roger Goodell and the NFL, then WHY would Tom Brady just not hand over his cell phone immediately? WHY would he destroy it and not inform them until 4 days before the hearing?

    People who have nothing to hide don’t go around destroying evidence.

  182. birdgang says:
    Jul 31, 2015 7:03 PM

    Is there any real proof at all or even a hint to who leaked the original PSI measurements? I don’t see why the league would leak false information like that but everyone assumes it had to be them. I can see the Patriots coming up with this idea to leak bogus info to try and challenge the credibility of the league from the very beginning.
    —————————-

    The NFL has shown a consistent pattern of leaking derogatory false information against the Patriots. To believe that the Patriots leaked it is insane.

    The only thing in this whole debacle that there is undeniable proof about is that the footballs used by the Patriots in the AFCCG were deflated by Mother Nature.

    Oh, and also that they didn’t record at what pressure the footballs were before the game started.

  183. ctbarryjr says:
    Jul 31, 2015 6:58 PM

    Instead of taking the high road, the Pats cheat again by disregaurding the jidge request,,,,,,,, cheaters, peroid.

    ________________________________________

    Ha Ha. Have another one Hater.

  184. If there were suspicions the NFL should have called the Patriots and told them to cut out any shenanigans…but they doused this ordeal with fuel and threw a match on top. One question, the Patriots claim complete innocence, so why did they fire the ball boys?

  185. Florio, keep up the pressure. This truth about this scandal is starting to see the light of day. What a pack of jackals the NFL has running its office.

    Adding Mike Florio to my Christmas Card list.

  186. If Brady is not guilty and they drop the suspension and just fine him, what were the million dollar fine and loss of draft picks for, and what would the fines be for ?

    The NFL should give back the million bucks and the draft picks and keep the full suspension.

  187. eagleswin says:
    Jul 31, 2015 9:13 PM

    teddyrex says:
    Jul 31, 2015 8:29 PM
    The real fun is going to come when Goodell and Kensil and Ted Wells are deposed and/or testify. I’ve been involved in a lot of arbitrations, and I can honestly say this was the most unusual (and that’s not a good thing for the NFL) process I’ve ever heard of. One-sided leaks coming out of the arbitrator’s office? Denying access to evidence or the ability to cross-examine witnesses?

    I want to see these clowns answering tough questions, under oath with threat of perjury. Did you know about the leaks to Mortensen and others? Was Wells instructed to come up with a predetermined outcome? What did Roger know and when did he know it?

    ————————————–

    You do know that the NFL and NFLPA filed a joint motion for an expedited hearing? It so happens that the NFLPA and NFL both waived discovery.

    Not to mention that the question on the table is did Goodell overstep his authority granted to him in the CBA, not whether Roger hurt Tom’s feelings.

    ==================================
    And that is what Federal appellate court is for, in case this judge drops the ball and lets the NFL off the hook.
    Nice try Eagleslose.

  188. What I find incredible is the league continues to defame Brady
    The destroyed phone is another example
    But these haters blinded by their vengeance can’t see the facts or want to avoid them.
    In no way was there ever a text from Brady to have the balks prepared lower than 12.5
    Fact
    How many liars comeback and day why was he called the deflator
    Answered many times
    But ignored
    Why did he “destroy” his phone?
    He didn’t, he pulled out the sims card
    If he was guilty he wouldn’t have done that
    Done what
    The league wanted texts
    They gave them the phone numbers and times to less than 30 people
    Suddenly that was too much to check
    But if they had the phones, which they never asked for before, then he would be cooperating
    Fact there under pressure case was bogus, so the league moves the goal posts
    Falsely claims Brady did not cooperate and upholds a four game suspension
    Fact, unprecedented

    Doubt anyone of the haters get past the third sentence

  189. genericnflfan says:
    Jul 31, 2015 7:47 PM
    to anyone saying this is low class by New England, how would you describe what the NFL has done in the media since this all started?

    to the people saying anything about this effecting the court case/upsetting the judge, the Patriots actions are not the actions of the NFLPA. they are two completely different entities.

    The Judge from New York told ALL parties to shut up and come up with an agreement …… Just how do you explain this release of documents if told to keep this kind of material out of the media ??

  190. “ctbarryjr says:
    Jul 31, 2015 6:58 PM
    Instead of taking the high road, the Pats cheat again by disregaurding the jidge request,,,,,,,, cheaters, peroid.”

    Might be a relevant comment if the Patriots were a party to the lawsuit.

    Typical of the haters – at this point pretty much anybody capable of advanced reasoning has realized that the NFL has created a crime out of thin air, has gone on the offensive with smears and insinuations, and has thrown all concepts of due process and fairness out the window.

    But people like this guy above think that cheating is proven (it isn’t) and don’t care that there’s a precedent of the Jets tampering with a K-ball without this kind of absurd circus.

    Why did this happen? Abuse of power at the league level. And dumb people jumping to conclusions and being too proud to let go of them.

    Just like a lot of the haters here.

  191. Who believes Tom Brady when he said his phone broke so he got a new one therefore all his info is lost. Don’t most phones have a SIM card? All my info gets backed up on iCloud, guess he still carries a flip phone.

  192. the Pats have been caught cheating SIX times
    – videotaping runtroughs
    – videotaing signals
    – snowblowing the field
    – deflating balls
    – shell gaming receivers
    – triping and injuring a return defender

    for every time they get caught there are 5 other times they dont get caught

    they are disgusting cheaters … period… if you are playing the Pats, you are getting cheated every time

  193. >>My instinct on what actually happened is Brady really got on Jastremski and others (e.g., McNally) about the balls (especially after 1st Jets game last season) and essentially said make sure they are at/near 12.5 and if they come in at 16 again, then I/we will get someone else to do your job. From there, perhaps these two guys went too far (and maybe they did not as there is no hard “proof” outside of the circumstantially damaging texts).>>

    Something like this. Kensil and Goodell probably had some knowledge of the Pats doing stuff to the balls in earlier games (most likely when they were overinflated), and wanted to catch the Pats in the act, and thought they had against Indy, but the ideal gas law turned this into a nightmare for them.

    It’s simply amazing that a majority of NFL fans still think the Pats deflated the balls in the Indy playoff game. The PSIs were exactly were they should have been, yet…yet…this goes on…

    Goodell’s attempted sting of the Pats backfired, and he seems hellbent on doubling down until he is out of a job.

  194. ‘As they themselves are not far off the actual figures (one ball was at 2 psi under ) which itself is 0.4 off the other figure in other letter.’

    You don’t think it’s a big difference between “11 of 12 were below 10.5 psi” to “8 of 11 were above 11.3 psi”?

    Yeah, science geniuses like you are why this b.s. got so much traction in the first place.

    Scientists hate what the NFL has been up to. So do arbitrators, lawyers, and even the guy who investigated Pete Rose. The NFL needs a new front office. It’s being run by reckless sociopaths.

  195. ” Nope, that’s not what it means. It just means that, whatever happened with Pats-managed footballs, the league failed miserably in trying to shed light on it. It does not mean that nothing untoward happened.’

    Which is another way of saying that there is exactly as much evidence of the Pats cheating as of any other team.

    Presuming innocence is useful.

  196. For all those people suggesting that the Patriots are violating the requests of the judge by releasing this – you need to understand that this court case is between the NFL and the NFLPA. The Patriots have no involvement in the case so they can say and do whatever they want.

  197. so apparently we’re only capable of thinking if we agree with the Patriots. Sounds like hypnosis to me. I guess it’s good that it’s not the creepy porno kind. Are we to assume the Patriots told the truth in these emails? Where’s the proof?

  198. faulkana says:
    Jul 31, 2015 9:11 PM

    The Judge actually asked the NFL and the NFLPA to calm down.
    The Patriots can do whatever they want. They are not involved in the court case.
    —————————————————

    See, this is EXACTLY the kind of privileged, spoiled, above-the-rest-of-you behavior that makes the Patriots just so darned loved by the rest of us.

    The Judge is CLEARLY trying to get things calmed down, but in rush the Patriots to blast the peace to pieces! Because WE can do whatever we want! The judge didn’t tell US not to start trouble!

    That’s like the fire chief begging the residents of Baltimore not to start any more fires during the riots, but some guy comes in and burns down the hospital — because, after all, HE’S from Philadelphia. Nobody told HIM he couldn’t do it!

    Yeah, you CAN do whatever you want. Including not throwing gas on the fire and observing the spirit of the judge’s wishes. But not the Patriots. They don’t have to follow the rules. They’re ABOVE them.

    Just more technicalities and logic tricks employed by Pats fans to justify their rule-bending-and-breaking behavior.

    I suggest you read the opening paragraph of Mr. Florio’s commentary again.

  199. Bottom line. He destroyed his phone and did not cooperate with investigation. Take your medicine and accept the suspension. Brady is just coming across as a whiny little baby who did not get his way. He thought he would be treated as a princess like usual and he is not

  200. Please NFL, please, We are begging you to fire Goodell. You CAN find a better person for the job! It’ll serve everyone’s best interest not named Goodell.

  201. I haven’t seen you endorse the Patriots but I certainly have seen you at least ask the questions and present the evidence. I appreciate that level of integrity.

    Too many journalists took the cheap way out. You earned credibility.

  202. northeastkiller says:
    Jul 31, 2015 7:40 PM

    If you think a judge is going to issue an order in a case of a sports union and player and then go “oh, the TEAM did it, that’s totally cool,” you’re officially high on your own supply.
    ————————————————————
    Really?You think a judge can order someone not involved in the case to not talk about it?
    And you might want to check the definition of rhetoric because posting actual emails is not rhetorical.

  203. Question for you Pats fans: do you doubt for a minute that the judge would’ve included the Patriots in his NFL/ NFLPA “simmer down” group if he’d had any inkling the team would pull a stunt like this?

    It probably never entered his mind, because as far as I know, no team has ever leaked out emails like this meant to embarrass the league. I bet he’s REAL pleased with your team today.

    But you keep telling yourselves you’re “entitled” to do whatever you want because you found some technicality. You keep sticking that league tiger. And see what new bombshells the league has yet in store to make public on you. (You seemed pretty surprised by the last one.)

    In fact I suggest a new team slogan: “The New England Patriots. We can, because nobody told us we couldn’t!”

  204. The NFL still hasn’t released the ball PSIs. If they’re within range, this controversy will be remembered as the biggest nothing burger of all time

  205. Hmm, the league office actually working FOR the individual teams. That doesn’t sound like too bad of an idea. The NFL should look into that.

  206. It’s funny to read the 1 in 20 comments here of Patriot haters trying to somehow spin this into CHEATERS or other cherry picked propaganda.

    Talk about desperation and grasping for life jackets.

    It’s also refreshing to see known Patriots haters man up and change their tune. Hats off to you guys.

  207. How shocking goodell and the NFL contradicting themselves again.

    goodell and the NFL are liars.

    Maybe it beginning to become clear…

  208. Who cares? You can’t believe anything the patriots say anymore. They were just trying to save face.

  209. fanofpft says:
    Jul 31, 2015 9:00 PM
    These fake leaks are non sequitur’s as far as I’m considered. As they themselves are not far off the actual figures (one ball was at 2 psi under ) which itself is 0.4 off the other figure in other letter.

    Brady is selfish in his actions dragging others into this (the latest is the Fins with Bullygate) bringing others down as well as everyone surrounding him.

    _________________________________________

    Are you being facetious or serious? Sometimes it’s difficult to guess. You are calling them “fake leaks” but they were lies coming from someone in the league office who knew what the real numbers were. They launched the investigation on false pretenses.

    The guy who apparently leaked this information (Mike Kensil) was in the room when the balls were being measured. So the false numbers were probably leaked deliberately and with malice. And then these email show that despite knowledge of the numbers the NFL refused to release the real numbers.

    And the real numbers are important. You say they are “not far off” but the real numbers demonstrate that the balls were not deflated artificially. Assuming the hypothetical numbers pregame this fact is irrefutable and has been proven by multiple sources.

    Essentially, if these allegations are true, the NFL front office conspired to railroad the Patriots. In the absence of hard evidence, they played a cadre of reporters to leak false info that made the Pats look bad. Despite the findings of the Wells report and the damning info on the Pats, the process was unfair.

  210. LOL how are people bashing the Patriots for this? The NFL hung them out to dry. They left false measurements out that made it look much worse than it was. How in the **** is that fair or unbiased?

  211. Patriot fans are about as delusional as the people who think that O.J. is innocent! Oh yeah, it’s all a huge conspiracy, the league is after the Patriots because they’ve won ONE SuperBowl in the past decade it all makes sense right? lol These people are seriously delusional!

  212. Is this the same Patriots website that claimed the Deflator was merely trying to lose weight? For which he was apparently suspended?

  213. I’m still happier about the Seahawks losing a tainted Super Bowl than I would’ve been about them winning a legit Super Bowl.

  214. Florio the shill homering it up for the NFLPA and associates again. Amazing how much of a dog Mikey has in this battle over and over. Sounds like he’s got a direct line to the patriots/Tom Brady in this situation.

    Bigger question of NE asking for more investigation, why they never asked for SpyGate to be investigated further? Apparently everybody was OK for the NFL to hand down a swift penalty, destroy the evidence within 24 hours so the public never knew about it and act like it never happened.

    Kraft and his cronies need to remember who’s helped the Patsies time and again with the media and their public image. Maybe it’s time for NE and their heirarchy to do the same.

  215. Not a Patriots fan. Frankly, not even an NFL fan after this fiasco. I told friends when this all came out that this was a witch hunt and that they would come out with egg on their face. The NFLPA has grounds to immediately strike and file a suit to render the current CBA unenforceable. NO FOOTBALL TILL IT GETS FIXED. I hate pro wrestling and this is what it has become, thanks to this website and the league’s front office. I am done until it gets fixed. I would be just as pissed if this happened to the Jags, Raiders, Bills, Bucs, Fins or any other hapless team. People having Integrity and Character are people doing the right thing even when nobody is looking. It is not happening here. The league or representatives of the league have an agenda and it has gotten out of hand and ugly. If I was Kraft and the Patriots, I would be suing for a franchise worth of cash and a worldwide apology.

  216. Bizarre. The man collectively hired by the owners has no control over his office. The owners are too lazy or busy to handle things themselves so they hire a commissioner to deal with things that they don’t want to get involved with. Somehow he’s usurped his own authority and none of them do nothing about it. Now one of the moneymakers in the league is upset. Could be the end of Goodell’s brief reign.

  217. “The Patriots explain that it is “presented to illustrate the attempts by the Patriots to ask the NFL to correct initial misinformation being reported by the media and to investigate sources of such misinformation, which could only have been league personnel.””

    Brady had his own opportunity to “correct initial misinformation being reported by the media” – in fact he had several of them.. he could have provided the DATA (not the phone) that the NFL asked him for at anytime between February… Kraft could have allowed the Moe to be interviewed a second time by the investigation and/or “strenuously requested” that Brady show them the information (not the phone) that they asked for…
    Brady could have not lied about knowing the Moes and Kraft (or even BB) could have called him on that lie themselves… “Hey Tom – of COURSE you know the Moes.. you must be mistaken.”
    and, of course, whether the destruction of the phone was, or was not, to destroy potetnial damaging evidence, Kraft and BB SHOULD have told him not to do it in such a way as to pretty much convince everyone outside of NE of his guilt.
    But – for the moment, let’s say that these emails are indeed true – even within context…
    does their existence somehow change Brady’s lying at the press conference? Does it change ANY of the text messages that clearly show a long-time attempt to conspire to play a dirty game? Does it change Kraft’s commitment to “full co-operation with the league’s investigation and then refusing to allow the Moes to be re-interviewed after the texts came to light? Does it somehow make destroying/replacing the phone any less the move of someone attempting to pervert the course of the investigation?
    Or is this just another transparent attempt to shift the focus from defense into attack – against the specific instructions of the deciding Judge…
    and, by doing so, give these desperate Patsfans a bone to cling to as the ship sinks slowly into the muck and mire of yet another patriots cheating scandal…
    The one unarguable fact that has emerged so far is that Brady COULD HAVE, at any time, provided an open and full explanation of ALL of these events and (according to him and his many buddies) conclusively proven his innocence and, so far, the only reason given that I have been able to find is that “he didn’t have to”… and Kraft, who could have also contributed to the investigation that was sullying the good name of his beloved franchise, could have sent the Moes back up to be investigated… could have said to Brady “since you have obviously used your personal phone to conduct some team business, it is no longer YOUR PERSONAL PHONE and I am ordering you, as a team employee, to turn the contents over – TO ME – if you have nothing particular to hide”.. and that would have made Kraft either in full compliance with the investigation (as he had claimed) and/or faced with the option of hiding material evidence…
    But we notice that Kraft didn’t jump back into Brady’s camp with both feet until AFTER the phone was destroyed/replaced.
    In other words.. while the emails may or may not place SOME of the blame at Goodell’s feet for the way the investigation was handled.. it doesn’t IN ANY WAY excuse the behaviour of the Patriots, Kraft or – mostly Tom Brady.. and that, the other indisputable fact that has emerged so far is that Brady’s reputation as a human being and a sportsman is forever damaged beyond repair – that most NFL fans (who could give a ratsass about the politics of the league) believe him to have cheated – repeatedly and that will forever taint his career.
    The asterisk stays… ask Pete Rose.

  218. and another thing.. if you read the ACTUAL email exchanges, rather than the rather than the edited summation provided at the top of this column you will find, in fact, that the league’s ATTOURNEY responded both politely and properly… his arguments and responses make perfect sense given the circumstances at the time..
    the problem that the Pats/Kraft camp has is that they are pissed off because the league’s attourney didn’t do as they told him to.. when they told him to do it…
    in a nutshell the emails state that ESPN made inaccurate claims, based on a “leak”.
    The Pats are convinced that the leak came from the NFL although they have no actual proof – (apart from their own attempt to use “more likely than not” as a guideline).. and they demand.. DEMAND . that the NFL’s attourney suddenly become a press officer and correct information that AT THAT POINT had yet to be proven to be false.
    Simply more hubris from this silly team who apparently think that THEIR world is somehow subject to different logic, rules and ethics than the rest of the planet.

  219. As a fan I have zero tolerance for handling your business in the media.

    But you’re ok with the League leaking flat out lies to the media, and then nobody explaining it when proven false.

    Got it.

  220. If Brady would’ve just cooperated he wouldn’t be in this mess. It’s all on him.

    You didn’t read the item. The leaked accusations were false to begin with.

  221. limakey says:
    Jul 31, 2015 9:05 PM
    Neil, unfortunately, in today’s world, nobody fights fair any more. I think the media, social media and the refusal of any one to take responsibility for their actions. And I am just not talking about Deflate gate. It is in every Avenue in life. It is never, my fault, and if it is my fault, they made me do it so it really isn’t my fault.
    __________________________________
    Limakey,
    How about letting the “take responsibility for their actions” thing start with you. Brady never admitted to any participation or knowledge of any plan to deflate the footballs. Yet you still accuse him of that in spite of having zero proof and also in spite of all the documentation recently being released to support his innocence. Come on Limakey, when are you going to realize that that stink will cause you to stink as well if you don’t take a stand. Is that what you want to pass on to your kids. I hope not. I thought you were above that.

  222. Even the powerful NFL cannot dispute science as indicated in their recent rules’ changes.

    Read the 19 January, 2015 official letter sent to Mr. Kraft from the senior vice president of NFL operations (David Gardi) that informed the Patriots that an investigation will be conducted.

    1. FACT: On page two, the letter states the following: … “each of the Colts’ game balls that was inspected met the requirements set forth.”
    READ THE LETTER!

    Accordingly, that statement turns out to be totally not true. Page 8, of the Wells report confirms that 3 of the 4 Colts’ footballs were in fact deflated.

    What happened next? The press/public was deceived based on lies.

    Folks were led to believe the Patriots must have cheated and DEFLATEGATE RAN WILD. In essence, everyone was led to believe (via that letter, leaked or otherwise) that if all the Colts’ footballs were within the permissible PSI ranges and the Patriots footballs were not; the Patriots must have cheated.

    Additionally, who made the decision at halftime to STOP testing the Colts’ remaining 8 footballs at half-time (only four balls tested, 3 found deflated)?

    2. What do I believe actually happened? Simply, the NFL went in at halftime to measure the PSI of each football for both teams and when they realized the Colts’ footballs were deflated, someone must have said: “OOPS” we have a problem. That is, both teams have deflated footballs and thus, someone directed to stop testing the remaining 8 Colts’ footballs.

    3. How is this possible for the comments listed in paragraph 2?

    Again simply, the NFL had no clue about the Ideal Gas Law (IGL) prior to commencing their actions in this matter. We all now know that atmospheric conditions will naturally deflate the PSI of footballs. Bottom line: to properly execute the IGL, PSI for EACH football must be taken at the same time prior to the start of the game and also at the same time during half-time and thus, determine correct PSI numbers. Some MIDDLE SCHOOL STUDENTS know this!

    4. Why wouldn’t Brady turn his cell phone in? …… WOULD YOU PROVIDE YOUR CELL PHONE TO FOLKS THAT ARE NOT TRUTHFUL (19 Jan. letter)???

  223. whitetrash69 says:
    Jul 31, 2015 6:53 PM

    Classless Kraft is about to get voted out of the NFL. As a fan I have zero tolerance for handling your business in the media. That’s not good etiquette where I come from. Also, his actions are detrimental to the league. Do these people have any shame?
    ===================================
    “about to get voted out of the NFL”????? By who?? How?? please tell us about this!!! I think all the readers of this site wish to KNOW all about this!!!!
    One big question is this…Do you think the NFL did the right thing in leaking false information out about the deflation of the balls in the championship game??? It seems you THINK this is just fine…true??????

  224. Get ready for the next batch of emails to include the NFL ordering the Patriots to suspend the ball boys.

    🙂

  225. Im sure the NFL would rather have the focus on this ridiculous issue instead of a FELONY CHILD ABUSER WHO PLAYS FOR THE VIKINGS OR QUARLESS FROM THE PACKERS DUMB STUNT 3 WEEKS AGO.

  226. 6ball – ” when did the cheaters become so sensitive? ”

    After we learned to read and took the time to reviewed the evidence.

    1. You admit you’re a cheater
    2. Was it before or after you failed to learn present vs. past tense?

  227. whitetrash69 says:
    Jul 31, 2015 6:53 PM
    Classless Kraft is about to get voted out of the NFL. As a fan I have zero tolerance for handling your business in the media. That’s not good etiquette where I come from. Also, his actions are detrimental to the league. Do these people have any shame?
    ====
    Do you have any shame? You are the epitome of hypocrisy. You were all over every negative report about this issue. Commenting away. Let me correct your statement for you….you have Zero tolerance for a team you don’t like defending itself in the media…you are okay with slanderous reporting as long as it serves your narrow-minded purpose.

    You are also keen on pointing out when a Pats fan posts something inaccurate, but the lies of those that agree with your petty view are okay.

    You and the rest of the whiner’s on this board should spend your efforts bitching at your team’s ownership for not being able to get it done on the field.

  228. Patriot Hater tears are so yummy! 🙂

    Ain’t no fun when the deer has the gun huh?

    #EatIt
    #Suckers
    #WeAreBetterThanYouAtEverything

  229. randy8123 says:
    Jul 31, 2015 6:55 PM

    A shame this is being written on a Friday evening, and that the length – although admirable in that it thoroughly illustrates and explains the ACTUAL situation behind this fiasco – will prevent a certain Tom Brady effigy burning contingent from actually reading/digesting/comprehending it.
    =====
    They wouldn’t have read it anyway. They don’t acknowledge anything that doesn’t conform to their private fantasy that the Pats are evil.

  230. Yet another deflection by the Pats* from the facts of the investigation as laid out in Goodell’s decision.
    Incriminating texts, balls found with psi missing, gifts from Brady to the perpetrators (hey, Pats* fans, did he give such goodies to other staff members?), destroyed cell phone, lies to the League and media (“I don’t know those guys”), all check.

    Hey, Florio, why don’t you write about any of that instead of hyping any and all things that are even remotely pro-Patriot*. Kraft must have something on you or have threatened to cut off access…..

  231. birdgang says:
    Jul 31, 2015 7:03 PM
    I can see the Patriots coming up with this idea to leak bogus info to try and challenge the credibility of the league from the very beginning.
    =====
    Yes and the moon landing was staged, the government trains normal civilians as assassins, tin-foil hats protect you from mind control…..

    Crawl back under your rock.

  232. stealthjunk says:
    Jul 31, 2015 7:09 PM

    All this proves is what we already knew: the Patriots are the greatest whiners of all time.
    =====
    Yes because the Patriots have a history of blaming others for their own failures. The Patriots often run their mouths about other teams and players in a derogatory manner — NOT.

    The problem you have is that you believe — I mean you really believe that the Patriots are successful because they cheat. Unsubstantiated – you have one instance of illegal taping – they never denied and took the punishment.

    You fail to understand that big trash talk doesn’t win football games. Listen the next time the Pats speak — you will hear things like:
    “Do your job”
    “Just focused on this game”
    “Can only worry about doing my job”
    “This other club is really good – they do such and such very well. We will need to do our jobs to overcome this.”

    The Patriots understand that hard work, focus on your opponent, paying attention to detail, and giving the proper respect to an opponent so you don’t underestimate them are keys to long term success. They don’t just say those things, they live them throughout the season.

    So whine on NFL. Whining doesn’t get you to winning…it just makes you a Whiner.

  233. there are 3 groups of people here:

    1. Fans of teams whom the Patriots have been WHOOPING for 15 years straight that FINALLY have a means of fighting back (off the field of course) = haters

    2. Patriots fans that are watching this cherade

    3. the actual NFL folks and media members that know the truth.

    the TRUTH is GOING to come out about this guy Kensil.

  234. reddzen says:
    Jul 31, 2015 7:04 PM
    You people need to stop comparing offenses and thinking it matters. Brady’s suspension has nothing to do with Jet’s tampering, Ray Rice and domestic violence, or PEDs. It has to do with Brady’s arrogance and lack of cooperation with his ultimate employer
    =====
    Can you please show me where arrogance is a punishable offense in the NFL??? If so there will be a lot of players not playing.

    Can you show me the precedence where the NFL has fined a team $1M and draft picks, plus suspended a player for not cooperating?

    No? Then this isn’t about any of that. It is about the alleged deflation of footballs during the AFCCG.

    Don’t look at the shiny – stick to the case – the alleged, and to date unproven deflation of footballs.

    Is Tom Brady arrogant? Well….it isn’t arrogance if you can back it up.

  235. So it would appear that we are investigating Tom Brady’s role in a violation that in fact never took place. Because that’s what’s clear to me from this email trail. Wow!

  236. Chris Mortensen has had months to take down his tweet, or post a correction to it after the initial 2 lbs PSI was proven to be false, and he has never done so. Additionally, if his source, Mike Kensil, lies to him, Kensil should be his next story, not afforded protection under the protection of being a source. This is THE story of how Deflategate was started by a spurned ex-Jet employee, and the NFL allowed it to continue for months, damning the Patriots and Tom Brady in the court of public opinion based upon incorrect information. Have some integrity Mort, we already know Goodell, Vincent, Kensil, Pash, Wells, etc. lack any.

  237. So let me get this straight……..A guy who has tremendous influence on a worldwide stage and has the ability to get his thoughts and sports reporting out in front of all others, take a leaked lead story 6 hours after the game is over…..from an insider of the NFL who lied to him and told false information in order to elicit a face staining reaction worldwide…… causing national TV stations and even weather stations to carry a lead story about 11 out of 12 balls totally under pressured by 2- 3 pounds.

    When the true facts come out…. 2 balls were under-pressure, and it was by ½ to 1 pound, and the NFL fails to retract the false insider leaked story to that reporter , the folks who were highlighted in the story don’t have a complaint?

    I fail so see how a journalist who writes a falsehood story based on an insider leak which was false from the start, can get away with not at the very least coming forward to say he was lied to.

    Where is Mr. Chris Mortenson’s pride and his integrity? I would be pissed if it all came out that I told what turn out to be a lie based on a blatant deliberate lie to set someone up….

    Thou shall not bear false witness…… number 9 of the Ten Commandments….. which is Most likely the easiest to hold true to one’s self. Especially when you write and report for a living….

    Patriots and Tom Brady have the right to “ ask the NFL to correct initial misinformation being reported by the media and to investigate sources of such misinformation, which could only have been league personnel.” I for one would be pissed.

  238. kensilisacrook says:
    Aug 1, 2015 7:57 AM
    Chris Mortensen has had months to take down his tweet, or post a correction to it after the initial 2 lbs PSI was proven to be false, and he has never done so. Additionally, if his source, Mike Kensil, lies to him, Kensil should be his next story, not afforded protection under the protection of being a source. This is THE story of how Deflategate was started by a spurned ex-Jet employee, and the NFL allowed it to continue for months, damning the Patriots and Tom Brady in the court of public opinion based upon incorrect information. Have some integrity Mort, we already know Goodell, Vincent, Kensil, Pash, Wells, etc. lack any.

    —————————————

    The funny thing about this whole Kensil thing is that MORT NEVER REVEALED HIS SOURCE. A WEEI employee miraculously came up with a source who said it was KENSIL shortly after being thrown under the bus but will not reveal his source.

    For all we know Robert Kraft is his source so that it would look better for him when he released the emails.

    I am not saying that I understand why MORT didn’t take down the report but the Pats have been just as shifty as the NFL in this whole thing and the writers on this site have been taking the NFL and other media to task for “carrying water for the NFL” but then support or do the same things itself just as blatantly.

    There are no angels with halos on either side.

  239. Not a Patriots fan, and definitely not a Jets fan. This case has never been about deflated footballs.
    It’s everything to do with bitter Jets fans working in the NFL’s front office, trying to discredit the “cheating” Patriots and not focusing on a team that hasn’t won anything of note since the NFL was playing the AFL in the Super Bowl. Only Jets fans fly banners above New England’s practice. No one else cares that much.
    Hey Jets fans: why don’t you stop discrediting New England and get your team ownership to do something about the skill level of your team? It’s laughable that you think this deflated football thing is a “win” and proves New England “cheated.” They could beat your awful franchise playing with a completely flat football.

  240. hcicron says:
    Jul 31, 2015 7:54 PM
    Was the report that the guy nicknamed the deflator removed the balls after inspection and took them into a closed room false?*****************
    This is another way Wells and the NFL defamed the Patriots. McNally’s nickname is not “The Deflator.” It is “Bird.” In one text, 8 months before the game in the offseason, McNally said, “You can just call me the Deflator.” It was a joke. (Do you think if your job is to inflate and deflate balls, you may use the word “deflater” sometimes?) Yet, in all of the thousands of texts and emails that Wells has, it is the ONE and ONLY time the word “deflator” was ever used. Then Wells refers to McNally as “The Deflator” 17 times in his report. He just keeps repeating it as if that guy was known as “The Deflator.” It was never his nickname despite the fact the haters continue to say it is. Public perception is everything these days and the NFL took advantage of it from Day 1.

  241. If some of the other owners can see how the commissioners office operates to take down a team with false information, they should realize that the office is unethical and lacks integrity. They should also realize that it is not good for football and this type of situation can happen to their own team.

    Other owners need to step up and collectively take action, preferable replacing people like Pash, Kensil and Gardi with staff who want to do the right thing for the league.

  242. josh1973sun says:

    He destroyed his phone AFTER he was told, by both sides, he would not be required to hand it over. The NFL had the texts and phones of both ball boys. Which included the texts from and too Brady which contained NOTHING. Brady offered Goodell a comprehensive list of all his calls and texts to people relevant to the investigation (only 28 people). The NFL decided it wasn’t worth the time to investigate it any further after spending the last 4 or so months and 5 million plus “investigating” something that never happened.

    Now, tell me, why would the NFL not want to investigate any further?

    —————————————

    Lol. You Pat boys are really drinking the kool-aid aren’t you. You are assuming that the only potential evidence was on those 2 phones. Could the ball boys have had personal phones? Why, yes they could’ve. Could there have been a text to Belichek? Why yes, there could’ve been.

    Remember that Belichek’s phone was not searched as part of the Wells report:
    “On January 21 and 22, 2015, Renaissance Associates collected from counsel for the Patriots the Patriots- provided mobile phones used by John Jastremski, Brenden Murphy, Zach Struck, Dave Schoenfeld and Berj Najarian.”

    There are no personal phones and no Belichek phones, etc. Do you think, possibly, there were elecontronic communications that could’ve happened outside those 5 phones?

    I do, especially since all Tom’s lawyer had to say was : “I have reviewed Mr. Brady’s texts and we have no additional information to the texts you already have”.

    THAT IS ALL HE NEEDED TO DO. WHY WASN’T THAT DONE?

    Remember that Brady only admitted to destroying his phone on the eve of the appeal. HE HID IT FOR 3 months and then turned up with a spreadsheet THAT HAD NO INFORMATION ON WHAT A SINGLE TEXT MESSAGE SAID.

    It is not the NFLs job, if they do not choose to, to go door to door at that point to reconstruct his data.

    The appeal was upheld on an “OBSTRUCTION” charge. The only way to overcome that would’ve been to produce the TEXTS (the entire text, not just the metadata). The NFL did not need to investigate further because they had him on obstruction. The spreadsheet was just a PR move.

    The phone destruction and the laughable explanation by his agent are the most damning things in this appeal.

  243. Bob Kraft should really think about filing a defamation lawsuit. Those emails show the Patriots asking for false info to be corrected and Pash ignored the request.

  244. The judge asked for the public back and forth to stop, so the Pats publish this stuff. Don’t tell me the Pats are not a party to this, they employ Brady. They have violated the judges request and it could negatively impact Brady in the deliberation.

    If the Pats want to clear something up, they should post their evidence to prove McNally was called the Def later because he wanted to lose weight. No one has been able to refute those texts which also referred to Brady, who then gave signed merchandise to the Deflator.

    Tired of the lies and spin ON BOTH SIDES. Get this over with one way or the other.

  245. milehipigskin says:

    And that is what Federal appellate court is for, in case this judge drops the ball and lets the NFL off the hook.
    Nice try Eagleslose.

    —————————————

    Oh i see what you did there. Very original :P. Never heard that one before.

    There is the possibility that the judge doesn’t drop the ball and Brady still loses. Just saying.

    He would need an injunction in that case to not have the hearing after he already served his suspension. An injunction that every talking head and lawyer on TV has already said he is very unlikely to get.

    I think if he loses here, for all practical purposes, it is over.

    Remember, the court case isn’t about proving Brady guilty or innocent. It is challenging Goodell’s authority for the suspension.

  246. Rootpain, Brady has always said he knows nothing about nothing. He has always maintained that even if was done, he would not have even known. He has always said that until the day after the AFCCG, he did not know who Jim McNally was and did not know what his job was. He has been proven to be a liar on all of these points. And what documents have been released that shows he is innocent?

  247. I wonder how much leeway (rope) the NFL will give Kraft before it brings the hammer down. He’s crossed the line and there should be consequences.

    (And no…he’s not entitled to spout off and say whatever pops into his head.)

  248. limakey says:
    Aug 1, 2015 9:04 AM
    Rootpain, Brady has always said he knows nothing about nothing. He has always maintained that even if was done, he would not have even known. He has always said that until the day after the AFCCG, he did not know who Jim McNally was and did not know what his job was. He has been proven to be a liar on all of these points. And what documents have been released that shows he is innocent?

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    limakey,

    That is false. Brady did not know McNally by his name. When he saw a picture of him, he said he knew him as “burt” even though everyone else calls him bird. Wells fails to disclose this properly in the report (big surprise). I would love for all notes and transcripts from the investigation to be released so we can truly see if there is actual evidence, any admissions, and so on. I think the notes and transcripts would further hurt the NFL, that is why they are trying to claim attorney/client privilege. So much for a fair, open, and independent investigation.

  249. Did the Patriots know that the guy they are complaining to about leaks and correcting misinformation, Jeff Pash, was co-lead investigator with Ted Wells in the NFL’s “independent” investigation?

    Did anybody until a couple days ago?

    All this time the NFL claimed it was an independent investigation.

    And now in Goodell’s latest ruling, (footnote 20) he says it doesn’t matter, that even if the the entire investigation was in-house, he still agrees with all of it’s findings.

    How convenient.

  250. hivelocityimpactsplatter says:
    Aug 1, 2015 9:18 AM
    “More probable than not” is not sufficient in a court of law”

    Um yes, yes it is actually.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    It depends on the act committed and whether it is civil or criminal. In this case it is not criminal, so yes it does apply. The issue is it they have not met that burden of more probable than not. Their case is based on a series of assumptions that have to be perfectly aligned. Statistically speaking, there is probably less than a 20% chance they deflated the balls. Ir is easy to claim more probable then not when you control the investigation, the trial, and the appeal without the other party being allowed to contest the findings all the while holding back information from the defendant.

  251. The Cheatritots are nothing but a damn soap opera, who cares about these clowns!!!
    Move on to FOOTBALL NEWS, and not these rich babies crying.

  252. what’s the false information again? According to the Wells report, 11 of the 12 balls were under inflated and none of the Colts balls were. Then there’s the ball boy disappearing with the balls (refs panicking) and he takes them into the bathroom for 100 seconds. That happened. Then there’s the texts between McNally & Jastremski mentioning deflating the balls at Tom’s request. Nothing false about that. Then there’s Tom calling Jastremski 6 times in the days after the AFC Championship game, which he hadn’t done in 6 months prior. All true. Then Tom destroys his phone on the day he first speaks with Wells. Check.

    so is everyone (and by everyone, I mean Florio and Pats fans) up in arms about the “leak” that the kicker’s ball was also under inflated?

  253. The judge asked the two parties involved to tone down the rhetoric. The Patriots and Bob Kraft aren’t going to court. Brady and Goodell are. No issue with me in releasing this info. Let it all come out. What are you haters afraid of? Exoneration?

  254. Cloud, the Patriots are engaging in very well thought out and planned public relations war that will continue to focus on irrelevant points and continue to point fingers to distract from the heart of this matter, Tom Brady is being suspended because he knowingly circumventing a rule that gave him an unfair advantage. And advantage that renders the final score and the stats of that game to be unreliable.

  255. Its hysterical that the crybabies focus on the word “Deflator” from a text in May 2014 but ignore the ones where Brady is telling the equipment guy to make sure the ref knows the rules about proper PSI.

  256. Yahoo’s Dan Wetzel perfectly describes this witch hunt”…..a league office drunk on power, overwhelmed by prejudice……”
    NFL exec Mike Kensel, former Jet exec burned by Belichick, was on a singular mission…to ensnare New England and discredit Belichick. And as REAL FACTS are finally being released despite the NFL’s abusive attempts to overwhelm public opinion with inaccuracies and blatant mistruths, the story has never been more clear. The NFL has manufactured evidence to fit the charges.
    Goodell needs to be dismissed. No NFL owner deserves to be the target of a personal vendetta.

  257. eepobee says:
    Aug 1, 2015 9:32 AM
    what’s the false information again? According to the Wells report, 11 of the 12 balls were under inflated and none of the Colts balls were.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Read the report again. Don’t let the truth confuse your vision.

  258. Bcgreg, how can Brady be exhorated? He is only fighting his punishment. There is no way he is challenging the findings in the Wells Report. The Patriots are trying to take the focus off of Brady being a proven liar and a cheater.

  259. For those that don’t know any better, there is one man with a burning hatred for Belichick and the Patriots–one man with a LONG, documented history of attempting to frame them, and he is solely responsible for creating a nation of misinformed, knee-jerk Patriot-haters…

    Mike Kensil – Director of Football Operations for the NFL

    The man Belichick resigned from (when he was president of the Jets) to come to the Pats and create the winningest team in the league for the last 15 years. He never forgave him for that + getting pounded by them in the 2000’s, and everyone who knows him says he lives to get back at them.

    The man who authorized the Spygate accusation–barely a real infraction.

    The man who tried to set a trap for the Patriots about football pressure, and failed.

    Leader of a group that constantly leaks false information about the Patriots and NEVER issues retractions when they’re proven to be false?

    Now, when this individual, who has been in a position where impartiality is paramount to an investigation, has had but ONE GOAL his entire professional life (to bring down arch nemesis Belichick and the Pats for years), and has proven to be the fire-starter at every turn, is part of the machine that is NFL ops, you tell me…

    …Should Brady have trusted ANY of them to handle this fairly from the beginning?

    Kensil should never have been promoted to this position. He is the epitome of crooked and biased. He has accomplished one thing to make him feel better though–there’s a nation of fans that are convinced of a “culture” in NE that simply does not exist, and never did. The only culture that has existed here is winning, and angry man Kensil has hated that for years. Congrats on your legacy, Kensil–that’s the only tainted one.

  260. limakey says:
    Aug 1, 2015 9:39 AM

    Cloud, the Patriots are engaging in very well thought out and planned public relations war that will continue to focus on irrelevant points and continue to point fingers to distract from the heart of this matter, Tom Brady is being suspended because he knowingly circumventing a rule that gave him an unfair advantage. And advantage that renders the final score and the stats of that game to be unreliable.

    ———————

    You are truly a fountain of misinformation. Brady is NOT being suspended for “knowingly circumventing a rule that gave him an unfair advantage.” He was suspended for being “more probable than not generally aware”. And now that the evidence is being made public–or lack thereof, Goodell is selling you the non cooperation angle. You have been duped by the Commissioner. Open your eyes. Do a little research. Figure it out.

  261. So now Goodell is in on the sting operation. Pash said he would “consult with the Commissioner”

    Lmao. Uh oh someone is going to get all their butss canned over this hatchet job.

    Heres who needs to be canned:
    Goodell
    Pash
    Kensil
    Harold Henderson
    Troy Vincent
    And any and all NFL employees that support any of the above scumbags.

    See ya scumbags!

  262. bcgreg says:
    Aug 1, 2015 9:32 AM
    The judge asked the two parties involved to tone down the rhetoric. The Patriots and Bob Kraft aren’t going to court. Brady and Goodell are. No issue with me in releasing this info. Let it all come out. What are you haters afraid of? Exoneration?

    =======================

    I am not sure how you can link the emails to exoneration? There is no correlation whatsoever.

    If Kraft had released them after his tirade but before the gag order, I would have no problem with it.

    However, the sequence of events goes : Gag order -> mysterious source claims Kensil was leak -> emails released by Pats.

    The Pats are still part of the NFL last i checked and they also still employ Tom Brady so the Pats very much could be included in that gag order in the judge’s mind.

    Let’s not act like the Pats are saints in all this. Kraft has lost any moral high ground he may have claimed. I’m sure he has lost alot of respect and influence around the league with the way he has handled this.

  263. I suspect that initially the league thought the Patriots were cheating, but they acted rashly, before they had all the facts. (Probably trying to get out in front of the story, so that it didn’t “ruin” Super Bowl week.)

    Then it became clear that, at best (from the league’s perspective), there wasn’t enough evidence, and at worst (again, from the league’s perspective), the Patriots didn’t do anything at all.

    So they tried to bully the Patriots into accepting a punishment. Kraft went along with it initially, Brady didn’t.

    And now “the League” (Goodell, et al) is caught in their own web, and has opted to do whatever they can to “win,” rather than admit that they screwed up.

  264. eagleswin says:

    I am not sure how you can link the emails to exoneration? There is no correlation whatsoever.

    If Kraft had released them after his tirade but before the gag order, I would have no problem with it.

    ****************
    Can we be factual please? Not only are the Patriots not a party to this litigation between the NFL and the NFLPA – and therefore free to do or say anything they want because they are not under the jurisdiction of the judge… there isn’t even a gag order! The judge simply asked the involved parties to please tone down the rhetoric. There is no gag order. Jeez.

  265. deweygroup says:
    Aug 1, 2015 9:29 AM

    hivelocityimpactsplatter says:
    Aug 1, 2015 9:18 AM
    “More probable than not” is not sufficient in a court of law”

    Um yes, yes it is actually.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    It depends on the act committed and whether it is civil or criminal. In this case it is not criminal, so yes it does apply. The issue is it they have not met that burden of more probable than not. Their case is based on a series of assumptions that have to be perfectly aligned. Statistically speaking, there is probably less than a 20% chance they deflated the balls. Ir is easy to claim more probable then not when you control the investigation, the trial, and the appeal without the other party being allowed to contest the findings all the while holding back information from the defendant
    ———-

    You have described the Patriots defense to a T. McNally has to have gone potty but forgotten where. Texts about deflating and going to ESPN have to be just jokes. Anderson has to have used the logo gauge, even though if he did the starting pressures would’ve been closer to 13. Countless people have to be engaged in a conspiracy that, and this is important, DOESN’T DIRECTLY BENEFIT THEM. That’s an often overlooked concept. What does Pash benefit by doing this? Or more importantly, Mr. Mara, or Mr. Blank.? And save the parity crap, in between the last two Patriots super bowl wins, the Colts, Ravens, and Steelers have all won at least one as well. Tell me why the Texans owner is squarely against Kraft when, sorry Houston fans, they’re miles from a super bowl shot? Is Brady missing 4 games going to catapult them to the big show? Get real.

    So many factors have to be perfectly aligned for them to be innocent, and any one of them being off is evidence of guilt. But people will grasp at any straw they can to defend their team, and their ability to brag unabated, which I suspect is the thing that’s really most important to them.

  266. eepobee dishonestly says:
    Aug 1, 2015 9:32 AM
    what’s the false information again? According to the Wells report, 11 of the 12 balls were under inflated and none of the Colts balls were. (False: That’s not even what the Wells Report shows.)

    Then there’s the ball boy disappearing with the balls (refs panicking) and he takes them into the bathroom for 100 seconds. That happened. (False. Find a single official source that claims the refs were panicking.)

    Then there’s the texts between McNally & Jastremski mentioning deflating the balls at Tom’s request. Nothing false about that. (Misleading. Tom’s texts ask them to deflate to legal limit and even tell them to bring in the rule book to the referees.)

    Then there’s Tom calling Jastremski 6 times in the days after the AFC Championship game, which he hadn’t done in 6 months prior. All true. (Again, misleading in so many ways. First, wouldn’t you call him after you have been accused of something? Of course. Second, and this has always amazed me. The same people that point out that Brady never spoke to McNally before the charges use that to say he was guilty of the charges. But, literally out of the other side of their mouth, say that Brady and McNally have been doing this for years. Wouldn’t you think they would be speaking on the phone about it then? Get it? Talking to McNally on the phone – Guilty. Not talking to McNally on the phone- Guilty. Amazing.

    Then Tom destroys his phone on the day he first speaks with Wells. Check. (False. Replaces phone that the investigation said it didn’t want.)

  267. Wasn’t it Pash who edited the Wells Report for its public release? Yeah, he was all over fixing the leaks emanating from his office…

  268. eagleswin says:
    Aug 1, 2015 9:55 AM

    “However, the sequence of events goes : Gag order -> mysterious source claims Kensil was leak -> emails released by Pats.

    The Pats are still part of the NFL last i checked and they also still employ Tom Brady so the Pats very much could be included in that gag order in the judge’s mind. ”

    Wow… there is no “gag order”. The “rhetoric” that was requested to be stopped by the Judge was to the Commissioners office and the NFLPA (Brady)

  269. But you’re ok with the League leaking flat out lies to the media, and then nobody explaining it when proven false.

    Got it.
    ————

    All you can do is laugh. 2 facts even the most ardent “haters” can not deny

    1) The league put out false info from the start (11 0f 12 balls for starters)

    2) The league never corrected any of the false info

    Yet some are giving the Pats grief for putting this “rhetoric” out there

    cant make this stuff up! lol

  270. I don’t care who you are a fan of or if you think Brady is guilty, this is unacceptable behavior from the league. They knowingly let false information sit out there for months and did nothing about it, letting a member franchise get slammed publicly. You think it can’t happen to your team? In 9 years the league has done this to the Saints and now the Patriots. It’s bigger than psi readings now. The league office needs to be purged of this nonsense or your team could be next on the NFL railroad.

  271. hivelocityimpactsplatter says:
    Aug 1, 2015 9:18 AM
    ….
    So many factors have to be perfectly aligned for them to be innocent…

    Actually only one factor, that being the fact that the Ideal Gas Law entirely explains the deflation of the footballs.

    We can only guess at the reasons why Goodell, Kensil, Vincent and Pash have conspired with the ownership of some NFL teams to make it more difficult for the Patriots to continue to dominate the NFL, but they clearly are doing so and these emails make that fact crystal clear to all of us, including you.

  272. Dewey, Tom’s actual transcript from the Wells Report has not been released. However, it is on the official record that he denied knowing him or what his job was, period. Unfortunately, for Tom, both JJ and JM have testified otherwise. To be fair, I will give the nickname. But he claimed to have no idea what JM’s job was. So why did he tell JM, personally tell what to tell the ref about his inflation preference?

  273. wk1234 says:
    Aug 1, 2015 10:08 AM
    eagleswin says:

    I am not sure how you can link the emails to exoneration? There is no correlation whatsoever.

    If Kraft had released them after his tirade but before the gag order, I would have no problem with it.

    ****************
    Can we be factual please? Not only are the Patriots not a party to this litigation between the NFL and the NFLPA – and therefore free to do or say anything they want because they are not under the jurisdiction of the judge… there isn’t even a gag order! The judge simply asked the involved parties to please tone down the rhetoric. There is no gag order. Jeez.

    —————————–

    You are correct and i used the wrong term. The exact term was ‘tone down their rhetoric’. How the judge interprets that and who, in his mind, that includes does not necessarily follow who you think it should or who i think it should.

    I still stand by my opinion that it’s not a slam dunk that he views the Pats as an independent third party.

  274. limakey says:
    Aug 1, 2015 10:51 AM
    Dewey, Tom’s actual transcript from the Wells Report has not been released. However, it is on the official record that he denied knowing him or what his job was, period. **********************

    No it is not. What “official record?” You and your ilk really dish out the nonsense.

    Unfortunately, for Tom, both JJ and JM have testified otherwise. To be fair, I will give the nickname. But he claimed to have no idea what JM’s job was. ***************
    Where did you find that? Show us. Oh, probably on the non-existent “official record.”

    So why did he tell JM, personally tell what to tell the ref about his inflation preference?
    *******************
    That’s confusing… but he did tell McNally to bring the rule book to the refs to make sure the balls were at 12.5. Perfectly legal. He told them that because he was mad that the Patriots played with rock hard footballs (inflated to 16 P.S.I.) against the Jets. The Jets. Them again? They always seem to be involved. Wonder why? And that 16 psi was at a home game! So much for deflating balls at home games..

  275. I am not sure this move by the Pats is doing any good. For one people have made up their minds and are tired of this. Secondly and more important the Pats haven’t been upfront about things either. Tom didn’t fully participate in this investigation. In fact he obstructed it. Throwing away the phone was not just happenstance. His press conferences he had a arrogant attitude about it.Nobody believes a ballboy did this on their own. Take your punishment and move forward.

  276. Why do teams control the balls pregame? Oh yeah, because TOM BRADY personally lobbied the league to allow it. Dude’s an entitled narcissist.

  277. Judge Richard M. Berman has told the NFL and the NFLPA to tone it down regarding the Tom Brady case. That directive apparently doesn’t apply to the Patriots.

    —————————————————————-

    Funny, because the cherry picking haters read this and see “the Patriots think they’re above the law”.

    But its literal meaning was that the Patriots team is not the NFL nor the NFLPA.

    Coincidence, or subtle fanning of the controversy fire?

    Lol. Hmmmm

  278. whitetrash69 says:
    Jul 31, 2015 6:53 PM
    Classless Kraft is about to get voted out of the NFL. As a fan I have zero tolerance for handling your business in the media. That’s not good etiquette where I come from. Also, his actions are detrimental to the league. Do these people have any shame?
    _______________________________________
    You’re joking right? Kraft is classless for handling this in the media? The league office leaked false info after false info to muddy the waters because they knew they had no actual proof that the Pats had done anything wrong. So, they went to employees of ESPN in private (and are still doing so) to shape the message to make people believe that the thing they couldn’t prove was already proven. The Patriots organization tried time and again to get them to stop the leaks and correct the misinformation. The league office responded by either lying to them or ignoring them and giving them the run around. I wouldn’t have waited anywhere near this long to respond. As for detrimental to the league, it’s hard to imagine how going out of your way to disparage and damage the brand of one of the most valuable franchises in the NFL is good for the league. Seriously man, your comment makes absolutely no sense given the series of events here.

  279. I think Brady is innocent. The League is trying to make this stick for other possible transgressions that they can’t prove & the League is trying to exercise it’s power with regards to player’s rights.

    That being said:

    Is there a bigger empty suit than Goodell? I question Kraft’s judgement for supporting him in the first place. I am sure he does too.

    How much malpractice (not sure if thats the proper word) by NFL Legal should the owners tolerate? The NFLPA arguments are always similar, if the league would follow the CBA through the NFLPA prism the players wouldn’t keep taking this to court and winning. If I kept making the same exact errors at work and costing my boss money I would be fired.

    This is a proxy battle over players rights, power and leverage. Nothing to do with the footballs.

  280. Hater logic: I’ll give you the nickname, but he should have known what Jim McNally’s job was.

    You can’t make this stuff up. To Brady, there was no such thing as a Jim McNally. If they asked Brady who ‘Burt’ is and what does he do, I’m sure he would have answered truthfully. He would have been stupid not to, their communications were all over the map. Just another example of the low IQ crowd looking at things with their jaundiced eye. This has been repeated about 500 times.

    The locker room attendent at my club goes by a nickname. I have no idea what his real name is. If they asked me if I know ‘so and so’ I would say no. Even though I see him almost every weekend.

  281. phinfan39 says:
    Aug 1, 2015 11:49 AM
    Why do teams control the balls pregame? Oh yeah, because TOM BRADY personally lobbied the league to allow it. Dude’s an entitled narcissist.
    ______________________________________
    Funny how all you remember is Brady. Must be those division rivalry blinders. The fact is that it was Brady AND Peyton Manning who served as representatives of most of the QBs in the league when they brought the suggestion to the league office. Nice try though.

  282. hittable says:
    Aug 1, 2015 1:14 AM

    “Patriot fans are about as delusional as the people who think that O.J. is innocent! Oh yeah, it’s all a huge conspiracy, the league is after the Patriots because they’ve won ONE SuperBowl in the past decade it all makes sense right? lol These people are seriously delusional!”

    ———————————————–

    Dude, seriously. That ship has sailed. Calling Patriots fans “delusional” just sounds silly at this point.

    Fans of rival teams that are historic Patriots bashers are even actually coming around as of late.

    Admit it is becoming obvious that the Patriots and Tom Brady were railroaded. You don’t have to like them. Just admit what is blatantly staring you in the face.

    I will not publicly ridicule you for being wrong before. I will only think higher of you for coming around. I will praise you for doing so. And I urge all other Patriots fans to do the same.

  283. ***I don’t care who you are a fan of or if you think Brady is guilty, this is unacceptable behavior from the league. They knowingly let false information sit out there for months and did nothing about it, letting a member franchise get slammed publicly. You think it can’t happen to your team? In 9 years the league has done this to the Saints and now the Patriots. It’s bigger than psi readings now. The league office needs to be purged of this nonsense or your team could be next on the NFL railroad.***

    excellent point. Its actually been 2-3 times to the Pats if you include Kensil setting them up in Spygate and the lies about the non existent walk through tapes.

  284. Florio – this could be your major opus – consider spearheading this investigation yourself. As a football fan, if the Commissioner and his office are as corrupt as they appear the NFL itself is threatened

    Both Brady and the Patriots knew early on the League was out to get them – thus no one should question why Brady and any player would always be defensive in dealings with Goodell

  285. eagleswin says:
    Aug 1, 2015 8:48 AM

    could the ball boys have had personal phones? Why, yes they could’ve. Could there have been a text to Belichek? Why yes, there could’ve been.

    ——

    You have a sever misunderstanding of what occurred during the Wells Investigation that is likely due to a refusal to actually read any of the documents.

    Jastremski and McNally did not have *league* or *team* phones. Both turned over their personal phones.

    Belichick *did* turn over his phone. His phone was searched. It was not included in the Wells Report for unknown reasons, but Bob Kraft made it perfectly clear in his press conference the other day that he did, in fact, have Belichick turn over his phone.

    ——

    The appeal was upheld on an “OBSTRUCTION” charge. The only way to overcome that would’ve been to produce the TEXTS (the entire text, not just the metadata). The NFL did not need to investigate further because they had him on obstruction. The spreadsheet was just a PR move.

    ——

    And any judge will laugh at the assertion that the league said it was impractical for them to compel 28 people to turn over their phones after saying: 1) We do not need the actual device; 2) Wells said he did not need the texts in coming to his conclusion. Both of these things render the whole “spoliation of evidence” argument completely and utterly moot.

    It is clear from the Goodell’s position and the NFL’s alleged settlement proposal that they were never interested in actually seeing new text messages, they were interested in seeing a sufficiently contrite Brady come into the appeal with his tail tucked as far between his legs as physically possible.

    And none of this even begins to address the things that are actually going to be discussed in court, such as violation of notice by: 1) applying policies that are *not applicable to players* to Brady as punishment, 2) use of a new, arbitrarily create standard of “general awareness” to justify punishment, and 3) the sudden and drastic increase from a fine to a suspension for failure to cooperate with or obstruction of a league investigation.

    So congratulations! You are gullible. You are focusing on the red-herring issue that Goodell wants you to focus on that has nothing to do with either: 1) Brady’s actual guilt, or 2) What is important in Brady’s lawsuit.

  286. Goodell needs to go. I hate to call for anyone’s job and that happens way too often, but I think with the $40M per year he’s been banking he should be OK. Regardless, he takes a PR and CYA first approach to his job and I don’t believe he can be trusted. His punishments are uneven and arbitrary. And the league has consistently turned its back on its true fans in an effort to draw in new demographics and audiences under his lead. I understand that’s business, but you have to at least put some stock into considering your core following along the way.

  287. pwellz says:
    Aug 1, 2015 1:09 AM

    LOL how are people bashing the Patriots for this? The NFL hung them out to dry. They left false measurements out that made it look much worse than it was. How in the **** is that fair or unbiased?
    —————————————————-

    Classic New England technique. WE are the ones who threw gasoline on the fire releasing these mails, even though the judge has called for a cool-down… but somehow WE’RE the victims here.

    Amazing.

  288. Thanks to another poster I came across this information and it checks out true. The Director of Compliance for the NFL, Akil Coad, and the Director of Investigative Services, John Raucci were at the Colts/Pats game. Why? Sometimes paranoid people have a reason to be paranoid. Why would those guys be there if there wasn’t going to be a sting?

  289. ampatsisahypocrite says:

    Classic New England technique. WE are the ones who threw gasoline on the fire releasing these mails, even though the judge has called for a cool-down… but somehow WE’RE the victims here.

    Amazing.

    ************
    For the 9 millionth time- The Patriots are not part of the current legal proceedings. The judge’s request has nothing to do with them and he has no jurisdiction over them. They can say and do anything they want.

    Amazing the ignorance continually shown on this point.

  290. whywerule says:
    Aug 1, 2015 10:40 AM
    hivelocityimpactsplatter says:
    Aug 1, 2015 9:18 AM
    ….
    So many factors have to be perfectly aligned for them to be innocent…

    Actually only one factor, that being the fact that the Ideal Gas Law entirely explains the deflation of the footballs.

    We can only guess at the reasons why Goodell, Kensil, Vincent and Pash have conspired with the ownership of some NFL teams to make it more difficult for the Patriots to continue to dominate the NFL, but they clearly are doing so and these emails make that fact crystal clear to all of us, including you.
    ———–

    No, that is false. The IGL is only an adequate explanation if Walt Anderson’s memory is correct. The “science” argument hinges on which gauge was used, period.

    Furthermore, here’s a newsflash: The Patriots aren’t “dominating the NFL.” In the last decade, they have the exact same super bowl record as the Seahawks. They’re good, no doubt, but this idea that no one can win the big game without handicapping the Patriots is beyond ludicrous.

  291. This is going to make a lot of people in the NFL league office, and at ESPN look really really bad. The issue now is, how can/will these cretins be punished, and will be at a level of the damage they have caused to Tom Brady and the Patriots?

  292. Wk1234, before I would make a big deal out of who was at the game, I would try to find out if such representives are at every game.

  293. Goodell and Kensil’s attempt to brainwash the the minds of NFL fans into thinking this WASN’T a set up clearly only works on the small-minded

  294. Jeff Pash is one sick person.
    The Patriots pleaded with him to stop the lies leaking from his office. They told him that leaking McNally’s address coupled with the leaked lies about the kicking ball (everyone forgets that one) and the leaked lies about the psi had endangered the welfare of McNally’s 15 year old daughter.
    Pash just got indignant and let the story and that child twist in the wind.
    He is the absolute scum of the Earth and in light of how the NFL has reacted to domestic violence should be terminated as quickly as possible.
    He has no integrity at all. The opposite really.

  295. Seriously limey, do you ever have anything cogent to contribute? Stop wasting everyone’s time, including your own. Stick to the other screen names(not that those posts are any better).

  296. I do, especially since all Tom’s lawyer had to say was : “I have reviewed Mr. Brady’s texts and we have no additional information to the texts you already have”.

    THAT IS ALL HE NEEDED TO DO. WHY WASN’T THAT DONE?

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    Sure because everyone would just accept that they turned in everything right? No, the “haters” would not believe they actually turned in anything that would be incriminating. Already seen that with all the transcripts they DID turn over. “sure like he gave them everything”…

    The goal posts keep moving in this thing, there is no way turning in his phone would have exonerated him in the court of public opinion. Anyone thinking it would is just being foolish/ moving the goal posts yet again.

  297. as a 1st yr law student i would be ashamed to bring the $5,000,000 wells report to moot court…..go after the patriots all you want haters but please do it with the facts…not the made up nonsense thrown out there by goodell

  298. This obvious smear campaign from the NFL offices will be noticed by the judge. Get ready for a good old ass whipping Goodell as the judge admonished the way you dole out justice. This is the beginning of the end for this poor excuse for a commissioner.

  299. 8 40
    mufngruf says:
    Aug 1, 2015 3:59 AM

    the problem that the Pats/Kraft camp has is that they are pissed off because the league’s attourney didn’t do as they told him to.. when they told him to do it…
    in a nutshell the emails state that ESPN made inaccurate claims, based on a “leak”.
    The Pats are convinced that the leak came from the NFL although they have no actual proof –

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    Then that begs the question, who was leaking the information?

    Who called/texted/smoke signaled Kravitz in Indy and told him that the Patriots had played with “underinflated footballs” in the AFCCG?

    Who were the (not one, not two but MULTIPLES) sources of Mort’s “11 of 12”?

    It’s sure as heck that information didn’t come from NE.

  300. Aug 4, 2015 12:10 AM

    8 40
    mufngruf says:
    Aug 1, 2015 3:59 AM

    “The Pats are convinced that the leak came from the NFL although they have no actual proof”
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    or

    “The NFL is convinced that Brady conspired to deflate footballs although they have no actual proof”

  301. The NFL and Goodell continue to win the propaganda war.

    “The people will believe what the media tells them they believe.”
    — George Orwell

  302. I’m a bit stunned that so many of the people here can’t separate their distaste of the Patriots from their objective sense of logic. Imagine if this was your own team, your own quarterback. I’m not a Pats fan and I’m a heck of a long way from the East coast. But I can certainly see that what the NFL has done with this situation is utterly contemptible.

    This is an absolute circus and it’s become very apparent that the league office wanted it this way.

    The question that nobody seems to be asking is: Why?

  303. Now we are getting somewhere. If I have learned anything from this, it is that you can’t change the minds of the morons here and other comment sections, they will just keep believing whatever makes the Patriots look bad, no matter what evidence surfaces. So, screw them anyway. But now we are beginning to see the end of this, and Brady will play against the Steelers for sure.

  304. it appears the NFL did not conduct a fair independent investigation or fully disclose inaccurate information on ball measurements (not the measurements were reliable). There may be any number of explanations for ball pressure measurement changes including deliberate tampering, weather, game impact, faulty valves and improperly used measurement tools. As for release of emails, is Goodall willing to release his private (or even business) cell phone to the public?

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