In January, Mort told WEEI he reconfirmed PSI info

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On Friday, ESPN’s Chris Mortensen pulled the plug on a planned appearance on WEEI in Boston to discuss his #DeflateGate floodgates report that 11 of 12 Patriots footballs were two pounds under the 12.5 PSI minimum. As it turns out, Mortensen previously addressed the report on WEEI back in January, in an appearance with Lou Merloni and Christian Fauria.

Told about the PFT report from that same time frame that 10 of the 11 Patriots footballs were closer to one pound under the minimum than two pounds under it (which turned out to be accurate in light of the measurements first published by Ted Wells in May), Mortensen elaborated on his report.

“Listen, I went back . . .  and I can’t go through too many of the steps I took because it wasn’t just a single source,” Mortensen said. “Even before that report came back that maybe they were one pound underneath because I agree maybe it’s a huge difference, but you know what I was told was, I said, ‘Listen,’ I said, ‘is there any discrepancies in what I reported, because I want to know.’ Because even on a small detail like that. And I was just told, ‘No, you were right on.'”

Mortensen then speculated that maybe the frame of reference was 13.5 PSI, and that the sources meant that the footballs were two pounds under that. And then he essentially said that it didn’t matter because of other things his sources told him.

“They said, ‘Use common sense,’ Mortensen said. ‘One team’s footballs, basically all of them were underinflated. The other team’s footballs — they like them on the low end, too, by the way, the Colts — were all within regulation. So all the scientific minutiae that’s been thrown at us, be careful about buying into it.”

So, basically, Mortensen was lied to by his sources on multiple occasions. In addition to being told when he double-checked that he was “right on,” he was told that the Colts footballs “were all within regulation.” The truth, as demonstrated by the Ted Wells report, is that only four Colts footballs were tested — and on one of the gauges used three of the four balls were under 12.5 PSI.

Moreover, the Colts footballs didn’t start on the low end of the 12.5 to 13.5 PSI range, but right in the middle, at 13.0 or 13.1 PSI. But that’s not what Mortensen’s sources told him.

“I was told they prefer theirs at the lower level, too,” Mortensen said. Which means that his sources wanted him to believe the footballs started at the same point, and that only the Patriots dropped while exposed to cold, wet conditions. Which we now know is completely, you know, not true.

Moreover, the four (not 12, but only four) Colts footballs that were tested sat inside the warmer atmosphere of the locker room, readjusting to those conditions as the Patriots footballs were tested twice and then refilled to 13.0 PSI.

If anything, Mort’s January appearance on WEEI shows that he wasn’t lied to by one person on one occasion, but by multiple people on multiple occasions, regarding key facts beyond the notion that the Patriots footballs were two pounds under the minimum. It’s also now obvious that his sources were within the league office; who else would be lobbying Mort to “use common sense” by comparing the false information that was being provided to him about the Patriots footballs with false information that was being provided to him about the Colts footballs?

Mortensen then was asked if Patriots coach Bill Belichick and Patriots owner Robert Kraft sounded off in the days preceding the Super Bowl because they were irritated by the publication of misinformation. Mortensen bristled at the implication.

“You’re saying that they’re telling the truth and we’re disseminating misinformation,” Mortensen said.

It’s now clear that ESPN, through multiple league-office sources, was indeed disseminating misinformation. And ESPN still has not adequately answered for that, beyond Adam Schefter’s recent suggestion that Mort was indeed lied to by multiple high-level sources.

265 responses to “In January, Mort told WEEI he reconfirmed PSI info

  1. In regards to the “deflate-gate” debacle NFL fans only need to ask themselves one critical question:

    If the NFL’s case against Tom Brady is so airtight and strong then why not just allow for a truly independent arbitrator to oversee the appeal process? Forget about the CBA for one moment, because Roger Goodell’s decisions have been overturned time and time again in federal court, what makes more sense…… Having Roger oversee the appeal or the NFL bringing in someone from outside the NFL offices to act as a truly independent arbitrator?

    Haha, it’s a simple question. Rationally speaking if the NFL’s case makes sense and they have all of their ducks in a row, which if you believe them this is a slam dunk case, then why in the world would they not allow someone else to oversee the appeal? Wouldn’t that just put an exclamation point on the case? And eliminate any and all argument for bringing this case to federal court?

  2. Goodell needs to go; either he sanctioned the leaks or he didn’t do anything to correct the errors, even now. Isn’t it more probable than not that he was generally aware that people within his office were leaking false info against one of the teams?

    I cannot understand how all the other team owners aren’t with Kraft on this.

  3. And… Cue up all the Patriot slander. Bottom line is the NFL, and public, want the Patriots and Brady, to “come clean” when the NFL (and ESPN) aren’t willing to do the same themselves.

    But please, by all means folks, let’s continue with the Brady is a cheater diatribes.

  4. And Mort’s too dumb to figure out a very simple high school chemistry equation. He was conned into it without doing the most basic of research.

  5. The NFL, under Roger Goodell, loves to throw around the word “transparency”.

    Haha, every time I hear Roger Goodell use the word transparency I think of The Princess Bride………

    Inigo Montoya: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

  6. Chris Mortensen should either tell who are his “sources” in the league office or resign from ESPN for his disgraceful role in this fiasco.

  7. This whole incident just shows how despicable and corrupt the NFL office is. Creating a false narrative against one of your team members because some people in the office hold a grudge against them? That’s real ethical.

  8. ” So all the scientific minutiae that’s been thrown at us, be careful about buying into it.”
    _____________

    Yeah, fuggitabout science. Huh, all that pesky minutiae.

    We want you to be good sheeple and buy into our Spin.

  9. Again, why weren’t the Colts fined a million bucks and draft picks and why wasn’t Andrew Luck suspended for using underinflated footballs??? Answer: Predetermined witch hunt against the Pats.
    FIRE THEM ALL, NOW!

  10. ESPN… Pioneer of the sports industry, and biggest joke of the sports industry for at least the last 10 years now. No wonder so many other stations are surpassing their ratings.

  11. None of this changes the the fact that the Patriots were caught cheating and refused to cooperate in the investigation. Also, the Patriots were considered cheaters long before deflategate so you can’t claim they were harmed.

  12. Someone needs to put a stop to this. Fire Kensil and fins a suitable replacement for Godell. This is a sad, torrid affair for all sports fans. Brady needs to be exhonerared. As much as it bothers me, the pats need to live with their fines as plenty of other teams have been screwed by the corruption in the league office. The Pats , as sinister as this stung was, should thank their lucky stars that they didn’t get the death sentence that New Orleans got. While I am always a Pats fan first, I will always root hard for the saints.

    Fire Godell now

  13. unbiased8383 says:
    Aug 2, 2015 10:18 AM
    Kinda feel bad for Mort. It’s like the hot girl in school using the nerd to pass an algebra test.

    ——————————

    …only this nerd wasn’t smart enough to understand the Ideal Gas Law or even the basics of how scientific evidence should be gathered.

  14. “Mortensen bristled…” at the thought someone could question HIS integrity, while he publicly waves the same wand over Tom Brady and the Patriots organization?

    After the whole Ray Rice fiasco, Mort should have had a clue that the league lies. And it comes from their head coach, Roger Goodell.

  15. I don’t understand why the other owners are not doing something about this unethical behavior. The Patriots are a member team.

    If the owners don’t do anything about this, they could be next

  16. I find it ironic that the NFL intimates that the Patriots cover up is what’s most offensive to them
    when…you know, there is this.

  17. “I cannot understand how all the other team owners aren’t with Kraft on this.”

    There is (at least) 2 important reasons for this. The first is that Kraft helped empower and give cover to Godell while he was abusing his peer with other teams. The other owner want him to feel the pain and I honestly can’t blame them (I abhor that Brady was dragged through the mud though)

    The second is that by slamming and overturning Godell the NFL gives more power to the NFLPA. They would rather the union use their negotiating currency on discipline than looking for other more costly concessions.

    I guess a low hanging third reason is that yes they do compete with he pats.

  18. Why would anyone question ESPN Insiders? The press is always right and everybody else lies. The Insiders are a joke and any sports fan could guess or make up stories.

  19. Goodall has done what was once thought to be impossible.He’s making Gary Bettman look. Like a competent commissioner.

  20. I would imagine that this thing won’t be completely over until Kraft/legal team can come up with a way to protect the Pats from something like this happening again.
    While the bozos who run the NFL are still in power, anything is possible.

  21. There should be an independent investigation…

    But it should be about the NFL League Office and the massive corruption that surrounds it…

    Then the owners should fire everyone involved if they care about their “product”…

  22. NFL: Notorious Freakin Liars

    Feel free to replace the second word with any variation you prefer.

  23. This is just the tip of the iceberg, and the real scandal behind Deflategate. I do feel badly for Mort as he was used, but he now needs to take a stand on this.

    If the NFL spent $5+ M on an investigation into the possible deflation of footballs, then there should be a much more serious investigation into possible corruption in its own front office. This is starting to smell like FIFA.

  24. Complete farce! The judge should overturn suspensions and all penalties the Patriots recieved. This is a witch hunt of the highest degree.

  25. Mort destroyed any kind of legacy he had as a top reporter by not having the sack to correct mis-reported info. He’s been exposed as a coward.

    So far Kensill has wracked up one reporters reputation, bradys reputation, ted wells reputation, and goodells reputation by lying repeatedly without conscience for months.

    But don’t worry, hes still a fat job in the front office.

  26. i went to Pats camp yesterday, next visits are jets & bills camp soon enough.

    It was business as usual, you wouldn’t even know this whole situation was going on.

    that #12 guy was razor sharp on almost all of his passes. maybe the practice balls were deflated? or maybe he’s just good. not sure which one…

  27. Lol at Patriot fans thinking this is some kind of redemption of their cheating brand.

  28. Goodell and the NFL office has been leaking info and making grand pronouncements on this for the past 6 months or so. Now the story has flipped and they are on the defensive and need this all to go away.

    I’ll bet you dollars to donuts that Goodell does his bet Punxsutawney Phil impression and head backs into his hole to wait it out. This is what he did last year after he bungled the Ray Rice case and this is his only move right now.

    Isn’t it great that Roger Goodell, the commissioner who decided that holding players to a high standard when it comes to conduct, has acted terribly time and time again.

    Here’s hoping that Bob Kraft will decide to talk publicly about this some more in the next few days.

  29. pwellz says:
    Aug 2, 2015 10:38 AM
    FBI should investigate this.

    Congress should investigate whether or not to pull the NFL’s anti-trust status. This concerted effort by NFL personnel is another example of corruption in the front office!

  30. Since its been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that a part time worker can unbag 12 balls, pin and release air, rebag them, and still have time to zip up his fly, all in 1 minute, 38 seconds, then who stopped the rest of the Colts balls from being tested.

    Could it be that the Colt’s low pressured balls didn’t fit said persons narrative!!!

  31. Yep, good thing people in the NFL’s front office have no agenda here.
    Stay classy guys.

  32. I just hope Judge Berman is paying very close attention to all of this. If he has read the Wells report and the Pats counter to the Wells report, as well as AEI and the recent reports such as this one and the Pash email string, then that coupled with the unfair process and lopsided punishment can only be interpreted one way. The league was out to get the Pats in a premeditated and orchestrated sting operation and then controlled the entire process from beginning to end….until now. If Berman sees that then Brady is home free. Then it is the league that should be back on their heels waiting for the next step by Brady and/or the NFLPA (to fully clear Brady’s name).

  33. Is now a good time to bring up that Mortensen accurately described what was on the Ray Rice video as described to him by league sources, only later to be told that no one in the league office had seen the video?

  34. Isn’t it ironic that the only people who you can prove lied during this whole ordeal is the league office?

    Think about that. The only thing there is actually proof is Roger Goodels employees lied. Well that and ESPN lacks journalistic standards to correct false reports after the truth comes out.

  35. I heard that absolutely nothing leaves the NFL offices without Goodells approval. On WEEI they told a story of them ordering in pizzas but Goodell was busy so they all sat around looking at the pizza boxes… waiting for “the enforcer” to arrive, afraid to start without him.

    I remember how no one took Goodells side when he said he didn’t see the Ray Rice tape and how everyone laughed at him when he said the tapes were lost in the NFL offices.

    The haters now look like the biggest hypocrites ever! To take sides with Goodell after everything they know about him can only mean one thing… they are jealous of the entire Patriots organization.

    Goodell… what about the Colt’s footballs and who provided the false leaks?

  36. Mort you are a spineless, lying sheep who is nothing but a pawn of the former Jets employees that run the league office.

    You still have not pulled your lies about the Pats from online even though you know them to be wrong. Why ? You have zero integrity that’s why.

  37. pats4rings says:
    Aug 2, 2015 10:21 AM
    The NFL, under Roger Goodell, loves to throw around the word “transparency”.

    Haha, every time I hear Roger Goodell use the word transparency I think of The Princess Bride………

    Inigo Montoya: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

    —-

    Goes for the word “integrity” too! Every time I hear Goodell use that word, I want to throw up!

  38. The NFL Office may be dangerously close to a defamation suit. If it turns out one of their VPs of Operations – Kensil, Gardi – was present at the testing of the footballs at half time of the AFC Championship Game that might be sufficient to prove malicious intent. Or, in best case scenario for them, complete incompetence on the NFL Rulebook which should justify their firing along with their boss…

  39. I am shocked that nobody thinks that Mort just made this up himself. I think it is more probable than not that Mort never had a source in the first place.

    ESPN brought in Sheff which really pissed Mort off – and Mort was no longer King at ESPN. Mort needed something to make waves and give him some much needed attention. Since Mort didn’t have any ammo, he made up a source so he would have a scoop.

    Mort never thought his little antics would have blown up into DeflateGate. That explains why Mort has been hiding recently: guilt.

    Of course, I see a conspiracy in everything…

  40. Conspiracy. Fraud. Hasn’t this reached the point where the FBI needs to conduct a full investigation?

  41. I’d rather see Brady fight and lose than to cut a deal with this corrupt office and the cartel of owners pulling at their puppet strings. There needs to be a regime change at 345 Park Avenue.

  42. Ok, what about those text messages from those patriots employees referring to himself as “the deflator”? Oh, I forgot, he was talking about losing weight, right? Because everyone says they are “deflating” when they lose weight. That’s a common expression… (I’m being sarcastic obviously).
    What about Brady refusing to cooperate and hand over his phone? Ray Farmer handed his phone over no problem. From my experience, when someone is truly innocent and not hiding things, they do whatever it takes to clear their name. They are eager to cooperate with an investigation to prove their innocence. Instead, Brady destroyed his phone (or at the very least he refused to turn the phone over). Why do that if you’re truly innocent?

    I hope this does get taken to court and they subpoena Brady’s phone and text records from the phone company (the phone company definitely has this stuff on file somewhere). Then if he is innocent it will be proven and if he is guilty then he will be facing actual real legal problems from purgery…

  43. Wheres all the protecting the Integrity of the Shield rhetoric from Goodell? Seems like the ones that dont have integrity are him and everyone in the League Office and the corrupt owners to keep this compulsive liar employed.

  44. The NFL needs new blood in management. There are a lot of former FIFA administrators with management corruption experience who qualify.

  45. This was a set up from the start – it may have been Mike Kensil, with the chip on his shoulders as a Jets executive at the time Belichick jilted them – but it served Goodell’s purpose with the motive, method and opportunity to create a firestorm to divert attention from his mishandling of the Ray Rice suspension

    FrameGate starts there – when a US District Court Judge politely but clearly called out Goodell as a liar for denying he was aware that Ray Rice struck his girlfriend in the elevator

    She just didn’t find Goodell credible.

  46. whitetrash69 says:
    Aug 2, 2015 10:29 AM

    None of this changes the the fact that the Patriots were caught cheating and refused to cooperate in the investigation. Also, the Patriots were considered cheaters long before deflategate so you can’t claim they were harmed.
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    OMG. Give it up already. There was no deflation, no cheating. It was all a scam perpetrated by the NFL.

  47. This is hilarious; the facts seem to get more watered down as time progresses. So let’s try a refresher. ALL of the Patriots balls that were tested were below 12.5 PSI on BOTH officials’ gauges. They only tested 11 of the balls because the one the colts intercepted wasn’t tested. That’s the ball that started the whole thing so pretty safe to assume that was low too. In eyeballing the numbers I’d say the balls were at an average of 11.5 PSI (1 pound below legal).

    Only 4 of the Colts balls were tested because the refs were running out of time. The average PSI of their balls was right at 12.5.

    Is Mort’s claim that the balls were 2 lbs below 12.5 causing Florio’s meltdown? Really? A rampage of posts in the last couple of days over 1 pound vs. 2 pounds? WHY WERE ALL THE BALLS UNDERINFLATED AT ALL, WHEN NONE OF THE COLTS WERE? Especially when it was noted that the colts like the balls low too? These questions are the ones Florio/pats fans just don’t want to ask. Too uncomfortable?

  48. What I want to know is why Mortensen isn’t angry about this. He was lied to over and over again. His reputation took a real hit. If he doesn’t name his sources, he at least needs to disavow them. If he doesn’t he is complicit in this farce. I mean the sentiment “don’t let the science fool you” should have been his first clue!

    Hope this post gets to stay, my first one was removed.

  49. The Patriots should sue ESPN. It’s a little taboo but either way the Patriots have already been inflicted massively by ESPN’s false dissemination.

  50. “Vicarious Liability”…Goodell knew or “should have known” of the leaks and didn’t correct or stop them. He is toast. Evidently, in the NFL and with the owners, this doesn’t matter. I think it does in court. Especially, labor law.

    Florio…would you address this?

    Pats and Brady should be exonerated. The league has deep integrity and corruptness issues…..

    A Packer FAn.

  51. all you patriot haters……with each passing day it is becoming clearer and clearer….that deflatgate is a bunch of bologna started by the ravens because they didn’t know the rules …continued by the colts because they couldn’t stop the patriots…and further continued by I NEVER SAW THE RICE TAPE GOODELL….now all you of stop this nonsense!!!

  52. Mortensen needs to realize that his sources lied to him, and in the process destroyed his credibility and reputation going forward.

    He is finished as a credible reporter and has been used as a patsy to defame the character of Tom Brady and the Patriots organization.

    Why is he protecting his dishonest, slanderous sources? His career is a respected journalist is finished. What’s left to protect?

  53. Add onto this Mike Kensil’s remarks to the ballboy at halftime, the farce Wells report which was basically an order by the NFL to get the Pats, the leak about the cell phone to Stephen A Smith, and it seems like an obvious pattern to sabotage the Patriots. How this isn’t being investigated more nationally is a head scratcher; well we know ESPN gets its marching orders from the NFL so that explains the primary sports network.

  54. Are pats fans calling for WEEI to give up their source for the revelation of Kensil being the source? I didn’t think so.

    The original mort report has the footballs 2 psi under. The real average turned out to be 1.4 psi. Not a huge difference.

    Pats fans are angry because the main purpose served by the exaggerated mort numbers, is that it prevented the report from being “swept under the rug”. This of course assumes that the general public would have ignored the report if the real 1.4 psi number was orginally reported, which would be an incorrect assumption.

  55. And this made the Patriots say “The Deflator is because he’s fat.” And this made Brady just so happen to have a broken phone [Brady]/just so happen to want the new iPhone that wasn’t actually knew [Yee]. And this made Brady fall under conduct detrimental for failure to cooperate, as outlined by the NFL’s Policy on Integrity of the Game & Enforcement of Competitive Rules.

  56. offtopic111 says:
    Aug 2, 2015 10:49 AM

    Goodell and the NFL office has been leaking info and making grand pronouncements on this for the past 6 months or so. Now the story has flipped and they are on the defensive and need this all to go away.

    I’ll bet you dollars to donuts that Goodell does his bet Punxsutawney Phil impression and head backs into his hole to wait it out. This is what he did last year after he bungled the Ray Rice case and this is his only move right now.
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    Emperor Goodell can’t run and hide this time, because he is required to show up for those court dates.

  57. ReligionIsForIdiots says:
    Aug 2, 2015 10:43 AM

    How many accusations of cheating are going to come out about this classless, joke of a franchise before those bandwagon fans realize they are cheating?
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    How many times are you going to post the same exact garbage? I know you won’t admit it here but even you know you’re full of it. Thanks for making the Pats fans point for us though. Let me rephrase your question so it can at least be accurate. How many false allegations of cheating are going to come out about this four time Super Bowl winning franchise before bandwagon haters realize they have been taken as fools by the corrupt few in the NFL league office?
    Do you even bother to read the posts or are your comments all copied and pasted in general?

  58. “Find a suitable replacement for Goodell.” I.e., someone who lets the Patriots do whatever they want for Tom Brady is Jesus Christ and Robert Kraft is God, amen and amen /s/ Patriots fans

  59. whitetrash69 says:
    Aug 2, 2015 10:29 AM
    None of this changes the the fact that the Patriots were caught cheating and refused to cooperate in the investigation. Also, the Patriots were considered cheaters long before deflategate so you can’t claim they were harmed.

    Give it up trashboy…..your side is going down!!!!!

  60. cantescapekarma says:
    Aug 2, 2015 11:06 AM

    Ok, what about those text messages from those patriots employees referring to himself as “the deflator”? Oh, I forgot, he was talking about losing weight, right? Because everyone says they are “deflating” when they lose weight. That’s a common expression… (I’m being sarcastic obviously).
    What about Brady refusing to cooperate and hand over his phone? Ray Farmer handed his phone over no problem. From my experience, when someone is truly innocent and not hiding things, they do whatever it takes to clear their name. They are eager to cooperate with an investigation to prove their innocence. Instead, Brady destroyed his phone (or at the very least he refused to turn the phone over). Why do that if you’re truly innocent?

    I hope this does get taken to court and they subpoena Brady’s phone and text records from the phone company (the phone company definitely has this stuff on file somewhere). Then if he is innocent it will be proven and if he is guilty then he will be facing actual real legal problems from purgery…
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    Can’t see the forest for the trees huh? Mort was lied to. League never corrected the lie. Science proves no tampering. No tampering…..NO tampering! Have a little self respect and integrity. The facts are clear, witch hunt. I hope someone gets jail time for this.

  61. How surprising is any of this? After all:
    Mortensen is no Woodward
    BSPN is no Washington Post
    and
    Goodell is no Tagliabue

  62. eepobee says:
    Aug 2, 2015 11:16 AM

    This is hilarious; the facts seem to get more watered down as time progresses. So let’s try a refresher. ALL of the Patriots balls that were tested were below 12.5 PSI on BOTH officials’ gauges. They only tested 11 of the balls because the one the colts intercepted wasn’t tested. That’s the ball that started the whole thing so pretty safe to assume that was low too. In eyeballing the numbers I’d say the balls were at an average of 11.5 PSI (1 pound below legal).
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    Little suggestion. Before posting know what you’re talking about. Failed at every turn. Now go do some real research and some logical thinking and comeback to us.

    Only 4 of the Colts balls were tested because the refs were running out of time. The average PSI of their balls was right at 12.5.

    Is Mort’s claim that the balls were 2 lbs below 12.5 causing Florio’s meltdown? Really? A rampage of posts in the last couple of days over 1 pound vs. 2 pounds? WHY WERE ALL THE BALLS UNDERINFLATED AT ALL, WHEN NONE OF THE COLTS WERE? Especially when it was noted that the colts like the balls low too? These questions are the ones Florio/pats fans just don’t want to ask. Too uncomfortable?

  63. The Colts footballs sitting in that warm and dry dressing room while all the time was spent measuring 12 Patriots footballs twice and refilling them cannot be said enough. It is such an enormous point.

  64. The only way Mort will “out” his sources is if Kraft and/or Brady sue ESPN for defamation. I hope they do only to get Mort to reveal his sources. And if it’s higher ups in the NFL office then Roger the Dodger is DONE if he knew about it. Can’t wait…………got my popcorn ready.

  65. Can we just get this debacle wrapped up, get the League to admit to the witch-hunt and move on.

    Lets all get back to football.

    Pretty sad though what some people in the League were trying to do to New England…

  66. ReligionIsForIdiots says:
    Aug 2, 2015 10:43 AM
    How many accusations of cheating are going to come out about this classless, joke of a franchise before those bandwagon fans realize they are cheating?

    did you even read Mike’s post? If you did and still come to this conclusion, I feel sorry for you. You must not be very smart. What don’t you understand about Framegate?

  67. Deflator, he has to be guilty because of the nick name, right?

    Hey former boxer Tommy Hearns was nicknamed the “hit man”…

    Was he charged with every murder committed in Detroit?

    Never mind, Goodell isn’t the Police Chief…

  68. Pats fans actually believe that the NFL framed Tom Brady?
    Hahahahahaha!
    Goodell (the biggest protector of the Patriots) decided it would benefit the NFL to smear it’s most famous player? The NFL front office framed the face of the league because its good for business?
    You people are delusional!!!!!

  69. If Mortensen’s sources told him: ” So all the scientific minutiae that’s been thrown at us, be careful about buying into it,” his sources could only have been within the League Office. The only entity which had scientific minutiae being thrown its way was the NFL League Office. And at the time Mortensen was interviewed, scientific minutiae were actually pretty scant, most of them coming from Professor Belichick. It was only much later that heavy artillery like the AEI report arrived on the scene.

    The question of whether Brady directed anything improper is independent of the question of how the League Office handled its investigation of a curious complaint. Even those who instinctively believe that you can’t have as much success as the Patriots have had without cheating should be able to agree that the League Office performed its job miserably once again. That’s a face, and that fact has to be weighing even on NFL owners who are stating publicly that Goodell is an outstanding leader doing a tough job.

    What Goodell needs now is a scapegoat in his own office, someone could can be sacrificed to stop the lies and subterfuge from arriving at his own door. It never looks good to be duped by underlings, but it looks better than knowing you have bad information and still proceeding aggressively.

  70. “I cannot understand how all the other team owners aren’t with Kraft on this.”
    ————-

    You mean like Dan Snyder, Jerry Jones and Tom Benson? Maybe they still have images of Kraft glad-handing Goodell while THEIR teams were being raped…….

    What goes around, comes around. Thank your owner.

  71. Can’t see the forest for the trees huh? Mort was lied to. League never corrected the lie. Science proves no tampering. No tampering…..NO tampering! Have a little self respect and integrity. The facts are clear, witch hunt. I hope someone gets jail time for this.

    —–

    Which science are you referring to? Cheating now a science?

  72. Is it possible that because the NFL ran out of time and only measured 4 Colts footballs they also failed to refill the remaining 8?

    If that is the case, the NFL rigged the AFC Championship game. A deflated football is a hindrance and not a benefit, as shown by Sports Science’s John Brenkus. Look how much better the Patriots did with properly inflated footballs. Is it possible the 2nd half blowout was so bad because 8 of the Colts footballs were never re-inflated? 3 of the 4 measured were under inflated, and of those 4 all sat inside for the majority of halftime until time ran out to measure anymore.

    If that is so, the NFL was so obsessed with catching the Patriots that they accidentally hurt the Colts by not refilling their footballs. Which is hilarious because the Colts would’ve effectively hurt themselves by starting this entire mess.

  73. How ironic. Someone in the NFL offices in New York telling someone else to use common sense in connection with deflategate.

    These guys are zealots. They had a dogma they believed in no matter the evidence to the contrary and they lied, multiple times, to their sources in the media to mold public perception and they are still doing it.

    They’re eveil.

  74. cantescapekarma says:
    Aug 2, 2015 11:06 AM

    Ok, what about those text messages from those patriots employees referring to himself as “the deflator”? Oh, I forgot, he was talking about losing weight, right? Because everyone says they are “deflating” when they lose weight. That’s a common expression… (I’m being sarcastic obviously).
    What about Brady refusing to cooperate and hand over his phone? Ray Farmer handed his phone over no problem. From my experience, when someone is truly innocent and not hiding things, they do whatever it takes to clear their name. They are eager to cooperate with an investigation to prove their innocence. Instead, Brady destroyed his phone (or at the very least he refused to turn the phone over). Why do that if you’re truly innocent?

    I hope this does get taken to court and they subpoena Brady’s phone and text records from the phone company (the phone company definitely has this stuff on file somewhere). Then if he is innocent it will be proven and if he is guilty then he will be facing actual real legal problems from purgery…

    —————————

    About ‘deflator’. Haven’t you ever seen how nicknames are given? If someone is fast runner on a track team, maybe he gets the nickname ‘blaze’…well hell someone sees that, they might think he was pot smoker.

    People get their moniker from what they do. Sometimes it’s the ‘opposite’, but generally it relates to what you do.

    He is the equipment guy, and he’s trying to lose weight. It INDEED could be PERFECTLY innocent. Only a fool would take that as supreme gospel proof that he was deflating footballs.

    Want something else? I bet equipment men all across the NFL like to customize stuff ‘within limits’, and sometimes through error or dishonesty they fall slightly outside the bounds of the limit.

    It is very possible that the text messages showed that they were trying to keep it on the low end around 12.5-13, because they knew that’s what Brady likes. That wouldn’t be illegal. So you could in fact have LEGAL TAMPERING. Or not. Either way, none of this proves the employees did anything wrong, and if it did, it should implicate both teams employees, and definitely not Tom Brady.

    Refusing to hand over his phone? You mean like Goodell refused to hand over his phone? They already had all the phones from the guys that supposedly did the infraction, and WE KNOW they didn’t find anything conclusive, because they released those texts, and in fact, we know for a fact they could of matched up the phone number or name associated with the other side of those texts. That’s so easy even a caveman can do it. What they don’t know Brady’s phone number? They had access to all evidence that would showcase something, and they couldn’t find SQUAT. So Brady’s phone is irrelevant. Was he going to talk to his wife about ball deflation? C’mon.

    Ray Farmer’s infraction was the fact he USED the phone… and he doesn’t have a union or CBA to back him up.

    You are not thinking, you are deducing, there is a difference. Deduction IS NOT THINKING.

    He didn’t destroy his phone. He got a new one, relatively on schedule, after returning home from out of the country, for a phone that was broken/close to being broken. AFTER he told them he was never going to hand over his phone (because who wants to hand over a phone with possible sexting with his wife to a bunch of leakers and liars in the NFL…or some other crap…only to see it leaked to TMZ)

    Again, his phone is irrelevant, but fools can’t see that because they don’t know how to think things through. Don’t you realize that your whole narrative and the stuff you are clinging to was outright propaganda given to you in tabloid form and fashion by the commissioner and/or league office? You’ve been had!

    Whether he is innocent or not is irrelevant at this point. What we have here clearly is that the NFL doesn’t know, yet they assume, slander, create propaganda, so on and so forth. At this point the biggest ‘crime’ is how the NFL conducted itself and perpetrated a witch hunt without any evidence against one of it’s biggest players. How people involved from every level of the league office were in on it, and how ESPN and countless other media just bought it hook, line, and sinker.

    Worse yet, people ate it up, because in this country, people get spoon fed propaganda all the time, about real important stuff, and they just eat it up. Look around, this is what the media does, LIE TO YOU IN ORDER TO SHAPE YOUR OPINION BASED ON LIES AND OBFUSCATION. This is a great wake up call to this fact!

    How would you like YOUR team and starting QB to be thrown under the bus by the league office, and convicted in the court of public opinion with nothing more then outright propaganda, and then Goodell plays judge, jury, and executioner against you and your team.

    Well that’s what happened to Brady and the Patriots, and if somehow inexplicably Goodell gets away with it…expect it to be coming to YOUR team soon enough. You think fascism lays down once it gains controlling power? Yeah right. Goodell will wield this power against anyone he choose, all without evidence.

    Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

  75. It looks like Mort was duped. But at this point it looks like he’s trying to protect his sources by pulling the plug on public interviews.

    If the league is feeding the media erroneous information to try and justify it’s position on the issue then that’s just flat wrong.

    If the judge finds that to be true and the league did in fact embellish misinformation and leak it out he should dismiss the case on the grounds of prejudice.

    Mort and the league may become the central focus here.

  76. Mort seems to have been played but the higher ups a ESPN have sold their souls to the NFL.

    These guys have been virtual co-conspirators in a big lie.

    Where is the outrage by the rest of the media?

    Too many people are afraid their jobs, status, or income will be hurt if they challenge the NFL publicly.

  77. When will the mediots and haters finally come to the truth that “framegate” was nothing more than an attempt by a small cabal of league officials and owners who couldn’t beat the Pats on the field, so they tried to take them down off it. Just look at the evidence

    Brady told the ball boys to deflate the game balls – MYTH
    11 of 12 Patriots balls where 2 lbs under spec- MYTH
    The NFL didn’t purposely leak false info to the mediots – MYTH
    Brady “destroyed” his phone to avoid incriminating evidence – MYTH
    Welles told Brady he’d be punished if he didn’t hand over his phone – MYTH
    The Exponent tests prove Brady is guilty – MYTH
    All of the Colts ball were tested and were all in spec – MYTH

    The entire affair was an attempted sting to harm the Patriots – FACT
    The Ideal Gas laws prove beyond a doubt that the Balls weren’t purposely deflated below spec. FACT
    Brady didn’t “destroy” his cell phone to avoid punishment – FACT
    The Pats punishment went MILES beyond any previous penalties given for ball tampering – FACT.
    The league office conducted a smear campaign on the Pats and Brady – FACT
    …..and most of the country bought it – FACT- sadly

    Do I really need to go on? There is more, but how much evidence does one need before even the most partisan fan will have to admit that “framegate” was a sham.

  78. Florio, this is one of your best pieces off reporting on this story.

    In plain English, this was a big lie from day one.

  79. again, another dose of reality for florio/pats fans (now synonymous) from the group hired to investigate if the Pats balls could have deflated from 12.5 to 11.3 by any other means than tampering:

    Exponent concluded that the average pressures recorded for the Patriots game balls during halftime of the AFC Championship Game were lower than the lowest average pressures attained by the simulations. In other words, when tests were run using the most likely game-day conditions and circumstances, the Patriots halftime measurements could not be replicated, and the pressures observed for the Patriots footballs by Exponent during its experiments were all higher.

    Please explain.

  80. sunyilo12 says:
    Aug 2, 2015 11:03 AM

    The NFL Office may be dangerously close to a defamation suit. If it turns out one of their VPs of Operations – Kensil, Gardi – was present at the testing of the footballs at half time of the AFC Championship Game that might be sufficient to prove malicious intent. Or, in best case scenario for them, complete incompetence on the NFL Rulebook which should justify their firing along with their boss…
    ——————————–

    It is more probable than not that Kensil was there. He did, after all, “weigh” the intercepted football, on a scale.

  81. I know that the case is about the lawfulness of the process more than the actual facts.
    But it would be unfair if this information can’t be used by the PA and Kessler.
    This disinformation campaign to create the idea of some gap in PSI drop between the 2 teams speaks to another issue,
    the reason Goodell refused to send to a neutral arbitrator.
    I think it’s pretty clear why Goodell didn’t want to send this to a neutral party in the appeal given what is known about the facts of the case.
    While the CBA inexplicably gave Goodell the right to be judge , jury, appeal judge,
    it still can be argued that there was prejudice in the appeal.
    Also, delegating Vincent to make the punishment is against the CBA.
    Plus, even if there were a violation [which wasn’t close to being proved], the CBA describes this as a team violation. The Patriots team was already heavily punished.
    The Jets, when they were caught doctoring a kicking ball, not so much.

  82. eepobee says:
    Aug 2, 2015 11:39 AM

    Can’t see the forest for the trees huh? Mort was lied to. League never corrected the lie. Science proves no tampering. No tampering…..NO tampering! Have a little self respect and integrity. The facts are clear, witch hunt. I hope someone gets jail time for this.

    —–

    Which science are you referring to? Cheating now a science?
    ———————————————–

    It is for the NFL, though they aren’t very good at it.

  83. helmetcatch says:
    Aug 2, 2015 11:20 AM

    The original mort report has the footballs 2 psi under. The real average turned out to be 1.4 psi. Not a huge difference.
    ******************************************
    Excuse me, not a huge difference??

    The estimated range per the ideal gas law was 1 to 1.2. under the the 12.5 figure. So on one gauge, the gauge the ref recalled using, they were PERFECTLY in range, the other one they were off by ,2. Do you actually think that what this is about? That is cheating? even with the wrong gauge they were balls over INCLUDING the intercepted ball.

    MORE importantly, the subject of this story was that the NFL lied and then reconfirmed the lie by multiple sources. If it was a team that you are a fan of THAT is a big deal.

  84. I agree with some of the other comments here that the most underrated and unreported points here is that the COLTS BALLS WERE NOT PROPERLY INFLATED either.

  85. and yet again, why is Florio trying to divert our attention away from the facts towards reports about the facts? i think i know; it’s called a red herring. a red herring – for those of you who are unfamiliar with logic (read Florio/Pats fans) is a bit of information that’s interjected to divert attention away from the actual issue.

    Goes something like this:
    Topic A is under discussion.
    Topic B is introduced under the guise of being relevant to topic A (when topic B is actually not relevant to topic A).
    Topic A is abandoned.

    Can we get back to Topic A? The Pats cheated!

  86. eepobee says:
    Aug 2, 2015 11:39 AM

    Can’t see the forest for the trees huh? Mort was lied to. League never corrected the lie. Science proves no tampering. No tampering…..NO tampering! Have a little self respect and integrity. The facts are clear, witch hunt. I hope someone gets jail time for this.

    —–

    Which science are you referring to? Cheating now a science?
    —————————————————
    Just climbed out from under your rock I see. Thanks for confirming yourself as another uninformed hater.

  87. hivelocityimpactsplatter says:
    Aug 2, 2015 11:39 AM

    “I cannot understand how all the other team owners aren’t with Kraft on this.”
    ————-

    You mean like Dan Snyder, Jerry Jones and Tom Benson? Maybe they still have images of Kraft glad-handing Goodell while THEIR teams were being raped…….

    What goes around, comes around. Thank your owner.

    ———–

    Exactly. Pats fans got themselves all excited after Kraft’s first public tantrum – er, press conference, “oh boy oh boy, he’s gonna sue, he’s gonna get Goodell fired,” and then Kraft went to the owners’ meetings and discovered the other owners who have faced the same stuff from Goodell happen to have memories’ longer than a goldfish.

    Can’t believe the other owners aren’t with Kraft? It’s because Benson remembers the “assistant commissioner” gleefully wagging his finger at the Saints and calling them barbarians. It’s because Jones and Snyder remember the “assistant commissioner” gleefully wagging his finger at them and saying they cheated “the spirit of the cap” in an uncapped year.

    The only thing people like less than a jerk is a hypocrite, and now that it’s Kraft’s turn on the NFL Wheel of Justice, that’s exactly what Bob’s revealed himself to be with tantrum #1 and tantrum #2. Maybe when he was whining “I was wrong to put my faith in the league,” he should’ve thrown in “I’ve been thinking about past cases, and how evidence in those cases had these same concerns, and out of loyalty, I took the commissioner’s word for it. Just as I was wrong to put my faith in the league on us, I was wrong to put my faith in the league on Bountygate. I was wrong to put my faith in the league on the uncapped spending, etc.” But no. It was all I I I, me me me, as if Goodell invented these same tactics just for his team.

    And you wonder why the other owners aren’t with Kraft.

  88. thesmartest1 says:
    Aug 2, 2015 10:49 AM
    Lol at Patriot fans thinking this is some kind of redemption of their cheating brand.
    _____________________
    It still amazes me how many of the haters will call Brady a cheater, yet they fully trust and support Goodell and his minions.

    Just compare their track records. When it comes to the topic integrity, I’ll take Brady any day over Goodell.

    #DefendTheWall

  89. At this point, Goodell should tell the truth, unseal the docs, step down, let Tagliabue step in as “interim” commissioner and settle the matter with Brady and retroactively reverse the penalties against the Patriots.

    All the people that said Brady covering up deflategate was worst than the crime, I take it you agree with the above because it is clear the NFL has been covering up their lie from day one.

    This is one of the worst abuses of authority I have seen in sports because it it was done with malice.

  90. eepobee says:
    ” WHY WERE ALL THE BALLS UNDERINFLATED AT ALL, WHEN NONE OF THE COLTS WERE? Especially when it was noted that the colts like the balls low too? These questions are the ones Florio/pats fans just don’t want to ask. Too uncomfortable?”

    *****************
    A lie in every sentence! Remarkable!

  91. Several NFL people lied, and lird, and LIED.REPEATEDLY.When ask to STOP lying, they LAUGHED and LIED SOME MORE.

    It is getting apparent that this is much more than a disciplinary decision for Brady. It also should involve the behavior and EVEN THE PRIVILEGE OF STAYING EMPLOYED BY THE NFL for

    Kensil
    Pash
    Gardi
    Blandino
    Vincent
    GOODELL

    and others.

  92. eepobee says:
    Aug 2, 2015 11:16 AM
    This is hilarious; the facts seem to get more watered down as time progresses. So let’s try a refresher. ALL of the Patriots balls that were tested were below 12.5 PSI on BOTH officials’ gauges. They only tested 11 of the balls because the one the colts intercepted wasn’t tested. That’s the ball that started the whole thing so pretty safe to assume that was low too. In eyeballing the numbers I’d say the balls were at an average of 11.5 PSI (1 pound below legal).

    Only 4 of the Colts balls were tested because the refs were running out of time. The average PSI of their balls was right at 12.5.

    Is Mort’s claim that the balls were 2 lbs below 12.5 causing Florio’s meltdown? Really? A rampage of posts in the last couple of days over 1 pound vs. 2 pounds? WHY WERE ALL THE BALLS UNDERINFLATED AT ALL, WHEN NONE OF THE COLTS WERE? Especially when it was noted that the colts like the balls low too? These questions are the ones Florio/pats fans just don’t want to ask. Too uncomfortable?
    ————————————-
    eepobee —
    You are exactly stating the Patriots case.

    According the the Wells Report, based on the ideal gas law, the Patriots ball should have been between 11.32 and 11.52 based on the temperature on the field.

    The average of the 11 Patriot footballs was 11.49 (as you said. That’s using the gauge Walt Anderson was reasonably sure he used)

    The average of the three measurements of the intercepted football (with the Patriots gauge, according to the Wells report) was 11.51.

    The PSIs are exactly where they’d be expected to be. This is why the Patriots claim all deflation was explained by science.

  93. Please explain to me WHY the NFL put out incorrect information – 11 of the 12 Patriot footballs were 2 pounds PSI under the limit? Why did they do this and WHY did they not correct it? It is inexcusable and borderline criminal. Through this entire exercise the NFL has leaked false and incriminating information, conducted a biased instead of an independent investigation with questionable assumptions and then decided an over the top punishment with absolute certainty but NO definitive PROOF.

    The initial ESPN report poisoned the well and everyone thought they were cheating. How can anyone with an open mind not distinguish between the ESPN report of 2 pounds PSI loss or the actual results of in range or off by .2 and THEN conclude there was definitely cheating:
    Expected range per the ideal gas law 11.32 – 11.52
    Average PSI of footballs 11.49 with the Logo gauge
    Average PSI of footballs 11.10 with the non-logo Gauge

    With the logo gauge, which the ref recalled using there is no deflation/tampering! With the non-logo gauge the average of the balls is .22 below what is expected and several of the footballs were still well within the expected range does that really prove cheating?? That is like my wife losing her keys at home and then searching for them until found and then blaming me. What did I do with her keys? Nothing, I never touched them.

    BTW, the minimal PSI loss doesn’t take into account the wetness of the balls or random factors or the FACT that the intercepted ball as gauged by the Colts and was perfectly in range. The results in the Wells report are at best inconclusive. Doesn’t the fact that if unsupported assumptions in the Wells report are changed, the results also change bother anyone? Please focus on what matters – if no deflation – no tampering = no cheating.

    The NFL has leaked false and misleading information. I don’t understand the motivation but the results have been devastating to Brady and the Patriots. The NFL has never corrected the info and they have at every turn hidden evidence and refused to announce results such as the actual PSI levels from the Patriots. The Cell phone controversy was the latest and the maybe the worst. Upon hearing the news Brady intentionally destroyed his cell phone prior to meeting with Goodell, anyone including me would have to conclude that Brady was hiding something. The truth was, he PREVIOUSLY made it clear he was not providing the phone and no issue was made of it. Brady however agreed to provid a complete listing of his cell phone records listing the 28 Patriot employees including teammates, coaches and locker room personnel and also the dates and times when he communicated them with via either phone calls, texts or emails. That is NOT disputed but it was buried in the footnotes in Goodell’s appeal ruling. However, the damage was already done, VERY classy NFL.

    I am waiting to hear what the reason is for the NFL to purposely put out false information, there MUST be some justification no matter how pathetic.

  94. whitetrash69 says:
    Aug 2, 2015 11:36 AM

    Pats fans actually believe that the NFL framed Tom Brady?
    Hahahahahaha!
    Goodell (the biggest protector of the Patriots) decided it would benefit the NFL to smear it’s most famous player? The NFL front office framed the face of the league because its good for business?
    You people are delusional!!!!!
    —————————————————
    And in the face of actual facts you believe they didn’t. You should look up the definition of delusional to make sure there’s a good picture of you there.

  95. Sounds like either Goodell was in on the setup from day one, or one of his employees has pictures that Roger does not want Jane to see.

  96. It is unravelling quickly for the NFL. Up until now Goodell controlled the process, and the Patriots and NFLPA were not allowed to disclose anything regarding deflategate. But now the process is out of Rogers’ hands, and the truth is starting to emerge. PFT is doing a good job of getting this out, but there needs to be some national attention on this to break it open. Then deflategate will become framegate, and from there hopefully Rogers regime will be known for what they really are.

  97. cantescapekarma says:
    Aug 2, 2015 11:06 AM
    Ok, what about those text messages from those patriots employees referring to himself as “the deflator”? Oh, I forgot, he was talking about losing weight, right? Because everyone says they are “deflating” when they lose weight. That’s a common expression… (I’m being sarcastic obviously).
    What about Brady refusing to cooperate and hand over his phone? Ray Farmer handed his phone over no problem. From my experience, when someone is truly innocent and not hiding things, they do whatever it takes to clear their name. They are eager to cooperate with an investigation to prove their innocence. Instead, Brady destroyed his phone (or at the very least he refused to turn the phone over). Why do that if you’re truly innocent?

    I hope this does get taken to court and they subpoena Brady’s phone and text records from the phone company (the phone company definitely has this stuff on file somewhere). Then if he is innocent it will be proven and if he is guilty then he will be facing actual real legal problems from purgery…

    ——-

    Yes, the phone company does have this stuff on file and Goodell admits that Brady gave him a list of every call and text that went into and out of his phone….Goodell said “it’s impractical to follow up on that” — 28 of the names on the list were associated with either the Patriots or football in general….Goodell spent 5 million dollars on a report and then wouldn’t have his people get in touch with 28 people to clear this whole thing up. Goodell also admitted that when they checked the list against McNally and Jastremski’s phones they matched up perfectly……..how do you suppose the judge will react to that little tidbit when he reads Goodell’s ruling (because those facts are in the ruling–footnote #11). “Mr. Brady gave you the information that your investigator asked him for….and you didn’t pursue it…..and you suspended him for not providing the information?……uhuh”
    There will be no perjury charges and do the FACTS change your mind? What you’ve been told is not true.

  98. jrterrier5 says:
    Aug 2, 2015 10:15 AM

    I cannot understand how all the other team owners aren’t with Kraft on this.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The other Owners are with Goodell because they are SOB’s that want to cheat their way to the SB by means of Slander, Lies & Coercion against the Patriots who stand in their way.

    WAKE UP PEOPLE

  99. Eepo, notice not one mention on why Brady’s appeal was rejected. Wasn’t PFT and Pat fans who said the AEI Report proves that the balls were not tampered with? Well Brady did use the AEI report and their expert and every single point they brought up, was already covered in the Exponent Report. Or has it been written about why Brady was not believed by the commissioner.

  100. Everyone is being TESTED to see where they stand and what they stand for.

    Choose this day who you will serve –

    The NFL with Goodell and their Lies, Corruption & Coercion = Dictatorship

    OR

    Due Process – Justice governed by FACT, FAIRNESS & EQUALITY for every Player & Team. = LEADERSHIP

  101. eepobee says:
    Aug 2, 2015 11:50 AM
    again, another dose of reality for florio/pats fans (now synonymous) from the group hired to investigate if the Pats balls could have deflated from 12.5 to 11.3 by any other means than tampering:

    Exponent concluded that the average pressures recorded for the Patriots game balls during halftime of the AFC Championship Game were lower than the lowest average pressures attained by the simulations. In other words, when tests were run using the most likely game-day conditions and circumstances, the Patriots halftime measurements could not be replicated, and the pressures observed for the Patriots footballs by Exponent during its experiments were all higher.

    Please explain.

    —–

    Oh, let me count the ways! First, Exponent also “proved” that second hand smoke is not hazardous to anyone’s health. Second, The methods they use to “prove” the Pats balls cannot be replicated…meaning they are not scientifically valid. Third, Exponent says in the Wells report, and I quote, “We cannot say with any scientific accuracy whether the footballs used in the AFC championship game by the Patriots were intentionally deflated or whether they deflated due to natural conditions that existed the night of the game”–in other words, we can’t prove anyone deflated anything. Fourth, it turns out that if measured using the same gauge, both the Patriots and Colts balls deflated the same amount. The Colts balls started out higher according to Walt Anderson (13 psi), the Patriots were at 12.5 psi……and, lo and behold, 3 out of the 4 Colts balls they measured were under the league limit.
    Explain please.

  102. markjohnbennett says:
    You are exactly stating the Patriots case.

    According the the Wells Report, based on the ideal gas law, the Patriots ball should have been between 11.32 and 11.52 based on the temperature on the field.

    +++++

    markjohnbennett, you’re absolutely incorrect. and if florio would allow my posts to go through you’d understand why. hopefully he’ll let me defend my point.

    if you read the wells report, the group hired to test the “ideal gas law” theory concluded it implausible. here’s the quote:

    Exponent concluded that the average pressures recorded for the Patriots game balls during halftime of the AFC Championship Game were lower than the lowest average pressures attained by the simulations. In other words, when tests were run using the most likely game-day conditions and circumstances, the Patriots halftime measurements could not be replicated, and the pressures
    observed for the Patriots footballs by Exponent during its experiments were all higher

    thoughts?

  103. Even if you think that the Patriots and Tom Brady are cheaters and that they have been cheating for years and that Tom Brady Is guilty…… How do you feel, as a football fan and not someone who dislikes the Patriots, with Roger Goodell, the commission of the NFL, comparing .5-1.5 PSI in footballs to players using performance enhancing drugs? How do you feel about Roger Goodell using a first offense positive test, testing which is regulated and agreed upon in the CBA, as the standard for punishment in being “generally aware” of footballs being deflated.

    Haha, even if you think Brady is an awful person, a cheat, a liar, etc….. How can any objective rational thinking person really agree with Goodell’s ruling. I just don’t get it. I really don’t.

  104. number4020115 says:
    Aug 2, 2015 12:04 PM

    It is unravelling quickly for the NFL. Up until now Goodell controlled the process, and the Patriots and NFLPA were not allowed to disclose anything regarding deflategate. But now the process is out of Rogers’ hands, and the truth is starting to emerge. PFT is doing a good job of getting this out, but there needs to be some national attention on this to break it open. Then deflategate will become framegate, and from there hopefully Rogers regime will be known for what they really are.

    ———-

    Dude. It’s over. “Brady destroyed his phone” was the A-bomb that ended it in the public’s mind. Even Mike says that.

    This is just red meat for the Patriot masses.

  105. number4020115 says:
    Aug 2, 2015 12:04 PM
    It is unravelling quickly for the NFL. Up until now Goodell controlled the process, and the Patriots and NFLPA were not allowed to disclose anything regarding deflategate. But now the process is out of Rogers’ hands, and the truth is starting to emerge. PFT is doing a good job of getting this out, but there needs to be some national attention on this to break it open. Then deflategate will become framegate, and from there hopefully Rogers regime will be known for what they really are.


    Sally Jenkins, at the Washington Post has an excellent article, as does Wetzel at Yahoo sports. I’ve even seen an article on Fox sports about what’s going on. It is starting to unravel. Florio is on the forefront of this and needs to keep it up!!! Thank you, Mike!!

  106. Non pats fans give up already you guys love talking about the text messages and the deflator reference but forget why he called himself that do you airheads remember that the refs overinflated the footballs to 16 psi way over the legal limit and it just so happened to be against the Jets and you airheads also forget that 3 of 4 colts balls was under it probably would have been more but they said they ran out of time lol but you airheads can say the ball boy deflated 11 balls in 90 second lol

  107. eepobee says:
    Aug 2, 2015 11:16 AM

    This is hilarious; the facts seem to get more watered down as time progresses. So let’s try a refresher. ALL of the Patriots balls that were tested were below 12.5 PSI on BOTH officials’ gauges. They only tested 11 of the balls because the one the colts intercepted wasn’t tested. That’s the ball that started the whole thing so pretty safe to assume that was low too. In eyeballing the numbers I’d say the balls were at an average of 11.5 PSI (1 pound below legal).

    Only 4 of the Colts balls were tested because the refs were running out of time. The average PSI of their balls was right at 12.5.

    Is Mort’s claim that the balls were 2 lbs below 12.5 causing Florio’s meltdown? Really? A rampage of posts in the last couple of days over 1 pound vs. 2 pounds? WHY WERE ALL THE BALLS UNDERINFLATED AT ALL, WHEN NONE OF THE COLTS WERE? Especially when it was noted that the colts like the balls low too? These questions are the ones Florio/pats fans just don’t want to ask. Too uncomfortable?
    —————————————————-
    Where you living in a closet for the last 6 months? It has been scientifically proven that every one of the patriots balls PSI falls within the expected loss under the ideal gas laws. UNLESS, you ignore the best recollection of the 19 year NFL referee Walt Anderson about which pressure gauge he used prior to the game.

    As to why the FOUR Colts balls showed less pressure loss than the Pats balls. They were in the warm room normalizing to room temperature for the entire halftime break while the Pats balls were being measured by two separate gauges and then inflated to 13 psi. The Colts balls had more time to warm up and return to pregame temperature and thus pressure and one of the four was still under 12.5 psi! The refs only measured four balls because they ran out of time. Which means those colts balls were in that nice cozy room warming up to cozy room temperature and returning to pregame PSI.

    It doesn’t take a genius to understand what happened here. It does on the other hand take a complete sheeple to not.

  108. cantescapekarma says:
    Aug 2, 2015 11:06 AM
    Ok, what about those text messages from those patriots employees referring to himself as “the deflator”?
    ________________________
    When talking about Brady, why does everyone refer to the text messages between JM/JJ to assume BRADY must be guilty of something (JM called himself the deflator, etc.).

    Yet one of the few DIRECT text messages from BRADY HIMSELF in the Wells Report is COMPLETELY IGNORED, when he checked on Jastremski (as he was being questioned/accused without proof of any wrongdoing):

    01/19/2015
    TB: You good Jonny boy?
    JJ: Still nervous; so far so good though. I’ll be alright
    TB: You didn‟t do anything wrong bud.
    JJ: I know; I’ll be all good

  109. Since the ‘Cover-Up is Worse then the Crime’ …

    What shall the Punishment be for Goodell & the NFL for committing the actual crimes of Slander & Defamation as well as Theft by Deception and then attempting to Cover -Up these crimes.

    What shall the Punishment be?

  110. 1) Great reporting by Florio.
    2) Don’t blame Mort here. He was doing his job, and got burned by his sources. But it sounds like he had multiple high-level sources, which to me makes it sound like it will be very difficult for Goodell to claim that he didn’t know about this or sanction it.
    3) I took Mort’s statement to WEEI (effectively saying that he would look forward to talking to them after the trial was resolved and that he hoped Brady won) as being reasonably prudent. If Florio’s reporting is correct, Mort will almost certainly be deposed. If I were Mort’s lawyer, I’d also tell him to not talk publicly about any of this stuff until after the trial.

    If all this is true, Goodell’s ruling will be vacated AND Goodell will look really bad, to the point that I think most owners will want him ousted. I don’t think that he committed an actual crime (unless he perjures himself), but he was so clearly abusing his position I don’t see how he could stay on if this was exposed. He’s kind of boxed himself in a corner here. He can’t let Brady off because he’ll look terrible, but if these facts start coming to light, he’ll lose his job.

    Get your popcorn.

  111. And “deflating” is still a weight loss reference among these guys. And the equipment guy explicitly re-assures Brady “they don’t suspect him yet”. If they were doing nothing wrong why would the equipment guy tell Brady nobody suspects him of anything before the story broke?

  112. Folks it’s a plain and simple explanation why the other Owners won’t sack Goodell – they make too much MONEY from his leadership, or lack of it….

  113. I think everyone is finally starting to see that deflategate was nothing more then a major inside frame job. The only people who still believe Goodell’s camp are the extreme Pats haters who can’t see past their own blind bias. Everyone else with common sense knows the Pats didn’t do anything wrong.

  114. The Patriots are pathetic. The very CBA Kraft negotiated, takes credit for, defended while other team were taking it on the chin, he now takes issue with because his team is being punished. The Patriots are angry because they tried to serve up Roger Goodell with a perfect cover-up by establishing a plausible deniability defense using physics, and Goodell refused. The Patriots are angry because they tried to steer the NFL investigation by demanding they find news leaks and study ideal gas laws, but the NFL didn’t. The Patriots are angry because they lost PR war because their whining backfired. Lastly, the Patriots are angry the media has stopped apologizing for their cheating.

  115. ‘The truth, as demonstrated by the Ted Wells report, is that only four Colts footballs were tested — and on one of the gauges used three of the four balls were under 12.5 PSI.’

    And let’s talk about that other ball. One of the following three things happened:

    a) It registered 0.45 psi higher on the non-Logo gauge than the Logo gauge, in spite of the fact that Exponent pretty conclusively showed that the Logo gauge was consistently 0.4 psi higher on every other football tested, under all sorts of circumstances. I really think we can rule out this possibility.

    b) The two officials using the gauges inexplicably switched them between Colts’ ball #2 and Colts ball #3, and then switched again between Colts ball #3 and Colts ball #4. (Bizarrely, Exponent actually considers this as a possibility.)

    c) The real reading for the non-Logo gauge for Colts ball #3 should be 0.45 lower than the Logo reading for this ball, which was att 12.5. That would put it at about 12.05.

    It is fairly easy to change 12.05 to 12.95 with a stroke of a pen. All you need to do is put a tail on the ‘0’.

    Yes, I think Mike Kensil or somebody else fudged the data. Because they couldn’t let the data set include a reading as low as 12.05 for the Colts. That would kill their narrative.

    Look, we already know they’re liars. We just don’t know how much they lied.

  116. eepobee says:
    Aug 2, 2015 12:17 PM

    if you read the wells report, the group hired to test the “ideal gas law” theory concluded it implausible. here’s the quote:

    Exponent concluded that the average pressures recorded for the Patriots game balls during halftime of the AFC Championship Game were lower than the lowest average pressures attained by the simulations. In other words, when tests were run using the most likely game-day conditions and circumstances, the Patriots halftime measurements could not be replicated, and the pressures
    observed for the Patriots footballs by Exponent during its experiments were all higher

    thoughts?
    —————————————————-
    Quoting the Wells report that has been utterly destroyed by multiple independent reports. Seriously?

    The reason the Wells report (Exponent) couldn’t replicate the Pats ball pressure was because Wells and Exponent decided, against referee Walt Anderson’s best recollection, that the gauge used before the game was the one measured significantly lower.

    If they had taken Walt Anderson’s word about which PSI gauge he used before the game the pressure falls exactly in the expected range by the ideal gas laws.

    Now why would Wells and Exponent do that? Why would they ignore a 19 year NFL referee’s best recollection about which gauge he used to set the balls prior to the game?

    Thoughts?

  117. To all the people who continue to insist in the face of all evidence that the only thing that matters is the fact that 11/12 Pats’ balls were “under” I want to bring up one little-noticed fact: the PSI of the balls at the end of the game.

    At the end of the game four balls from each team were measured and you know what? 3 out of 4 of the Colts balls were under 12.5 and NONE of the Pats balls. That’s right (check the information for yourselves). Now to those of us who believe in science there’s a simple explanation: at the end of the game the Colts balls were measured first and the Pats second, giving the latter a chance to warm up–the opposite of what happened at the end of the first half. But to the Pats haters, the science illiterates who think that it’s a question if the Ideal Gas Law really applies, or that it’s optional, or not set in stone or even that it’s not an empirical law (all things that I’ve read people say) there is only one response: the COLTS are CHEATERS! Someone must have deflated those balls!! Investigate! Suspend Luck!

    Either that or come to your senses and realize that it is a serious thing that Mort released false information and that ESPN has refused to correct it.

  118. eepobee says:
    Aug 2, 2015 11:16 AM
    This is hilarious; the facts seem to get more watered down as time progresses. So let’s try a refresher. ALL of the Patriots balls that were tested were below 12.5 PSI on BOTH officials’ gauges. They only tested 11 of the balls because the one the colts intercepted wasn’t tested. That’s the ball that started the whole thing so pretty safe to assume that was low too. In eyeballing the numbers I’d say the balls were at an average of 11.5 PSI (1 pound below legal).

    Only 4 of the Colts balls were tested because the refs were running out of time. The average PSI of their balls was right at 12.5.

    Is Mort’s claim that the balls were 2 lbs below 12.5 causing Florio’s meltdown? Really? A rampage of posts in the last couple of days over 1 pound vs. 2 pounds? WHY WERE ALL THE BALLS UNDERINFLATED AT ALL, WHEN NONE OF THE COLTS WERE? Especially when it was noted that the colts like the balls low too? These questions are the ones Florio/pats fans just don’t want to ask. Too uncomfortable?
    ———————–

    3 OF THE 4 COLTS BALLS THEY TESTED WERE BELOW 12.5 PSI ON ONE OF THE GAUGES. AND THAT WAS AFTER SITTING AROUND FOR MOST OF THE HALFTIME.

    There is no record of what pressure the Colts like their footballs.

    Read the Wells Report before you comment again.

  119. teddyrex says:
    Aug 2, 2015 12:22 PM

    I don’t think that Goodell committed an actual crime (unless he perjures himself), but he was so clearly abusing his position I don’t see how he could stay on if this was exposed.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    ABUSE of Authority is a Crime and is punishable by the Law depending on what the abuses were and what was done to the victim.

    In this case it will be at least two crimes = Slander & Defamation as well as Theft by Deception.

  120. I have emailed Mike off/on for weeks about the application of the Ideal Gas Law and statistics in all of this. The sampling of football pressure values is not enough to do means testing of the footballs at halftime. So the science is unsettled because a valid hypothesis regarding pressure drop apart from temperature effect of 30 degrees over a a 90 minute period cannot be formed. Not good for the NFL, as the burden is on them and deflation cannot be reliably proved. Folks, PSI is a measure of deflation at constant temperature. You can get lower pressure readings without a molecule of room air escaping the footballs – due to a temperature drop. Many of you know this.

    How would you like to be pulled over by the DEA or state police and have your car searched – even with probable cause – without you being present? That was halftime at the AFC title game. This is how a medieval rival dealt with his enemies.

    The misinformation campaigns by the NFL ALONE are disturbing. The lead role by Wells’ firm at the appeal tell me two things: 1) Roger wasn’t really sure, and 2) Wells’ team wanted another chance to depose Brady.

    I would not have Roger Goodell represent me in a parking ticket case.

  121. eepobee says:
    Aug 2, 2015 11:50 AM

    again, another dose of reality for florio/pats fans (now synonymous) from the group hired to investigate if the Pats balls could have deflated from 12.5 to 11.3 by any other means than tampering:

    Exponent concluded that the average pressures recorded for the Patriots game balls during halftime of the AFC Championship Game were lower than the lowest average pressures attained by the simulations. In other words, when tests were run using the most likely game-day conditions and circumstances, the Patriots halftime measurements could not be replicated, and the pressures observed for the Patriots footballs by Exponent during its experiments were all higher.

    Please explain.
    ——————————————————-
    Well besides the fact that Wells and Exponent decided to use a gauge that read more to his liking instead of the one Anderson stated over and over he used and would, no, did prove that the pressure lost was indeed within the Ideal Gas law prediction? Seriously? Exponent “proved” smoking didn’t cause cancer and we’re supposed to trust them? You left out Exponents statement that they could not prove tampering even occurred even after trying every which way they could to prove it did.

  122. solo681 says:
    Aug 2, 2015 12:22 PM

    Since the ‘Cover-Up is Worse then the Crime’ …

    What shall the Punishment be for Goodell & the NFL for committing the actual crimes of Slander & Defamation as well as Theft by Deception and then attempting to Cover -Up these crimes.

    What shall the Punishment be?
    —————————

    Season tickets to Jets games.

  123. +1 to the “Don’t blame Mort” crowd. If any reporter receives (mis)information from multiple people in the league office, why wouldn’t they a) believe it b) report it?

    The only thing remaining is ESPN’s responsibility to retract the story.

  124. stburke40 says:

    Oh, let me count the ways! First, Exponent also “proved” that second hand smoke is not hazardous to anyone’s health. Second, The methods they use to “prove” the Pats balls cannot be replicated…meaning they are not scientifically valid. Third, Exponent says in the Wells report, and I quote, “We cannot say with any scientific accuracy whether the footballs used in the AFC championship game by the Patriots were intentionally deflated or whether they deflated due to natural conditions that existed the night of the game”–in other words, we can’t prove anyone deflated anything. Fourth, it turns out that if measured using the same gauge, both the Patriots and Colts balls deflated the same amount. The Colts balls started out higher according to Walt Anderson (13 psi), the Patriots were at 12.5 psi……and, lo and behold, 3 out of the 4 Colts balls they measured were under the league limit.
    Explain please.

    +++++

    ok, let’s debunk these one at a time:
    #1 There have been several studies done, one recently by Stanford, showing no statistically significant correlation between second hand smoke and lung cancer (specifically in women of a certain age). Is this what you’re referring to? Not sure how you’re connecting this to Exponent, but sounds like their results mirror other studies.

    #2 Please provide the sources of information underpinning your claim “the methods used to “prove” (which isn’t a word i used) balls were tampered with cannot be replicated”. Otherwise it’s just a disgruntled pats fan spouting off.

    #3 Please provide the page number where Exponent states “We cannot say with any scientific accuracy whether the footballs used in the AFC championship game by the Patriots were intentionally deflated or whether they deflated due to natural conditions that existed the night of the game”. Searched the entire document and the internet and couldn’t find that quote anywhere. Made it up, huh?

    #4 Absolutely incorrect. The average of the PSI measurements for colts balls was 12.53 and the average for the Pats was 11.29. So if Anderson’s recollection of those numbers is accurate (and we have no way to know if it is), colts balls dropped .47 PSI and Pats balls dropped 1.3 PSI.

    Please explain.

  125. I want Brady to sue for defamation if he wins the court appeal.

    * 1 Billion in damages
    * Damages pay for his legal fees, the Patriots, the NFLPA.
    * Remaining damages given to various Battered Women’s funds, rape counseling organizations, child abuse protection organizations, and substance abuse organizations.

    He doesn’t even have to win the defamation, just state he is giving all awards to these charities. That would be the biggest eff ewe to the league.

  126. attorneyshea says:
    Aug 2, 2015 12:23 PM
    And “deflating” is still a weight loss reference among these guys. And the equipment guy explicitly re-assures Brady “they don’t suspect him yet”. If they were doing nothing wrong why would the equipment guy tell Brady nobody suspects him of anything before the story broke?

    He wasn’t talking to Brady in that post nor was he talking about footballs or psi; he was talking about getting team merchandise.

  127. ‘Exponent concluded that the average pressures recorded for the Patriots game balls during halftime of the AFC Championship Game were lower than the lowest average pressures attained by the simulations. In other words, when tests were run using the most likely game-day conditions and circumstances, the Patriots halftime measurements could not be replicated, and the pressures observed for the Patriots footballs by Exponent during its experiments were all higher.

    Please explain.”

    I cannot explain why you cannot read carefully.

    ‘In addition, the Patriots halftime measurements will only fall within this small window if they were
    taken immediately after the footballs arrived in the Officials Locker Room at halftime and were
    completed no more than 4 minutes later.”

    Actually, it’s been demonstrated that Exponent did a poor job of simulating the rate of warming by simply putting a football on a stand, instead of having a bag of 11 footballs in which each of them was kept cool from the other cold footballs. Also, Exponent did a poor job of simulating the effect of moisture.

    Regardless, what you say about being “lower than the lowest average pressures achieved in the simulations” is untrue. Exponent doesn’t argue that the Pats’ ball pressures were too low. Really, they don’t! Read it again if you don’t believe me.

    Their main claim is that the Patriots’ footballs had dropped a greater amount of air pressure than the Colts’ footballs had. This is true, in a sense. It’s true in the sense that the observed differences were larger, but the Pats’ footballs were wet and measured early in halftime, while the Colts’ footballs were dry (they had been kept in a plastic bag) and measured late in halftime.

    Regardless, using simulations to conclude that somebody deserves a nearly $2 million fine (not to mention a suspension of four games) is an abuse of the process of simulation. Simulations are only as good as the assumptions used to make them. They cannot be used as a substitute for careful measurement.

    Even Exponent says “In sum, the data did not provide a basis for us to determine with absolute certainty whether
    there was or was not tampering as the analysis of such data ultimately is dependent upon
    assumptions and information that is not certain.”

  128. The Corruption of Goodell goes back to the very beginning of the season as the Refs were instructed to ‘OVER-INFLATE’ the Patriots footballs which was exposed with the Jets game when the footballs were inflated by the Refs to 16.0 PSI.

    If the FBI steps in now with a Federal Search Warrant and confiscates all the computers, phones and records of Goodell, Vincent, Colts, Ravens, Jets as well as the Owners phones and emails.

    Jones, Mara, Biscotti and Irsay have all publicly stated that they support Goodell’s actions against the Patriots which is a CLEAR indication of Collusion to Defame & Slander and to Interfere with Commerce just to name a few.

  129. The Exponent quote is on page 68 (their number) of their report. Page 228 of the PDF.

  130. this is easy
    just stop watching that sports chanel until Mortensen and S.A. Smith reveal there sources in the NFL that used them to spread bad info
    Cancel the magazine, change the tv and radio stations
    When ad revenue dips, answers will follow.
    WE have the power not them

  131. Forgot: Anyone cringe at the recent ESPN commercial for the fantasy football leagues? See the guy shampooing his hair and muttering something about an item being softer than a football in Foxborough?

    That is all you need to know about the location of the brains at ESPN. I dropped all my preferred ESPN channels AND NFL Network. I won’t be suffering.

  132. eepo – Did your mother teach you to be a Liar or did you decide this on your own?

    Maybe you are a die hard Jets/Colts/Ravens fan that is just insanely jealous & angry with losing to the Patriots.

  133. Considering how bad ol’ Mort screwed up his report and has failed to come clean and show integrity he could tell me the sky is blue I’d still feel compelled to look up

  134. Whitetrash, you bring up a very interesting point with the emails. I thought that were nothing more than trying to get inside information. And we’re pissed when Pasha said that he didn’t think the leak came from his employees. I think when they realized he was not going to give them anything, they realized that they were in trouble.

  135. imodan says:
    Well besides the fact that Wells and Exponent decided to use a gauge that read more to his liking instead of the one Anderson stated over and over he used and would, no, did prove that the pressure lost was indeed within the Ideal Gas law prediction? Seriously? Exponent “proved” smoking didn’t cause cancer and we’re supposed to trust them? You left out Exponents statement that they could not prove tampering even occurred even after trying every which way they could to prove it did.

    +++++++++
    this stuff is gold, pure gold, jerry. did some pats fan create a myth making generater where you guys get this from. studies have shown no correlation between second-hand smoke and lung cancer in women. not sure where you got smoking and cancer and how exponent was involved. do you? and please cite the page of the wells report or anywhere that exponent made the claim they couldn’t prove tampering. not sure why they’d be trying to prove that anyway, they’re just trying to show that balls could have deflated to extent they did by weather conditions alone. and that’s what they did!

  136. Mort, this is not the first time you have been lied to. Why not expose your source? Because they won’t give you anymore facts to disseminate to your loyal readers? I doubt you will ever use anything this source or sources ever again. So no loss there. You have lost a lot of credibility with lots of your followers. Are you worried that no other anonymous source will ever talk to you? You are pretty much a used dish rag right now. Cut your losses.
    All the Patriot haters tell Brady to man up and take your licks. You should do the same. Come clean, admit you were duped, published erroneous information and it was given to you by:__________. You may not ever have to reveal your source, if this goes to trial, you can choose not to reveal, be found in contempt and for who? Someone that lied to you, used you and hung you out there to resemble a paparazzi reporter.

    Your call, Mort.

  137. From Sally Jenkins Washington Post article on deflategate and due process:

    “Watching this case closely and curiously is John Dowd, the special counsel who conducted Major League Baseball’s investigation into Pete Rose and got him banned from the game. As a neutral observer, Dowd finds the abuse of process in DeflateGate to be the real scandal. “I still don’t know what this is about. . . . Like ‘Seinfeld,’ this is about nothing,” he said in an e-mail. He called Goodell’s ruling against Brady based on a sudden issue over Brady’s cellphone “an ambush” and added, “The entire NFL disciplinary process lacks integrity and fairness.”

  138. solo681 says:
    eepo – Did your mother teach you to be a Liar or did you decide this on your own?

    Maybe you are a die hard Jets/Colts/Ravens fan that is just insanely jealous & angry with losing to the Patriots.

    +++++++

    good one, solo681. hard to argue with that logic. you represent the Pats fans well!

  139. #4 Absolutely incorrect. The average of the PSI measurements for colts balls was 12.53

    After they dropped the data point representing the most deflation…

    “and the average for the Pats was 11.29. So if Anderson’s recollection of those numbers is accurate (and we have no way to know if it is), colts balls dropped .47 PSI and Pats balls dropped 1.3 PSI.”

    Well, that’s not exactly right. It would be more precise to say that “the difference between the two sets of measurements were…”

    The transient curves make it clear that the footballs lose air pressure during the first half and then quickly gained by air pressure when brought into a warm room. Had the NFL really wanted to use gauges alone to provide proof of tampering, they needed to keep the footballs under constant temperature conditions. They didn’t. They were gauged indoors, then brought outdoors, allowed to cool, off, and then brought indoors, where they were gauged again. At no point was the air in the footballs measured for temperature.

    As argued by Hassett, Veuger, and Sullivan of the AEI, Exponent and the NFL are ignoring the fairly obvious possibility that the Patriots’ footballs were measured early in halftime, while they were still cold, and the Colts’ footballs were allowed to warm up for roughly ten minutes before they were measured. If you use this time interval to plot the expect values recorded, using the transient curves as a guide, you see all the pressures are where they should be.

  140. docsmith54 says:
    Aug 2, 2015 12:45 PM
    Forgot: Anyone cringe at the recent ESPN commercial for the fantasy football leagues? See the guy shampooing his hair and muttering something about an item being softer than a football in Foxborough?

    That is all you need to know about the location of the brains at ESPN. I dropped all my preferred ESPN channels AND NFL Network. I won’t be suffering.


    I’m with you, docsmith. Changing packages so I no longer pay for NFL Network. Oh noes, I’ll miss the glorious Thursday night package!! ‘Cause nothing says drama like watching a late-season matchup between the Titans and Jaguars.

  141. Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely! Time to petition for a new NFL front office, that is not so absolutely corrupt

  142. whispersd says:
    The Exponent quote is on page 68 (their number) of their report. Page 228 of the PDF.

    ++++++

    Nope not there. Here’s what I did find on that page though:

    In sum, the data did not provide a basis for us to determine with absolute certainty whether there was or was not tampering as the analysis of such data ultimately is dependent upon assumptions and information that is not certain. However, based on all of the information provided to us, particularly regarding the timing and sequencing of the measurements conducted by the game officials at halftime, and on our testing and analyses, we conclude that within the range of game characteristics most likely to have occurred on Game Day, we have identified no set of credible environmental or physical factors that completely accounts for the additional loss in air pressure exhibited by the Patriots game balls as compared to the loss in air pressure exhibited by the Colts game balls measured during halftime of the AFC Championship Game.

    keeps getting worse for u guys, doesn’t it?

  143. teddyrex says:
    Aug 2, 2015 12:22 PM

    I don’t think that Goodell committed an actual crime (unless he perjures himself), but he was so clearly abusing his position I don’t see how he could stay on if this was exposed.
    _____________________

    Right, and just don’t forget about Goodell’s famous BountyGate quote when he suspended Sean Payton:

    “Ignorance is no Excuse”

  144. So…basically, Mort knows nothing about balls. The NFL owns espn and uses it like the tool that it is!

  145. That comment about how the Colts ‘also like them low’ is a good example of how the NFL folks just casually lie when necessary and convenient. The Colts don’t “like them low”. They submit their footballs at 13.0-13.1 psi, according to the Wells report.

    Goodell is particular has a very bad habit of telling lies of convience to whatever question he is being asked at the moment, with little regard to whether his story will stand up to scrutiny. He’s gotten away with this for years because the media show him deference. Consider the question of whether Ted Wells was going to investigate the leaks from the NFL office. Goodell has literally gone back and forth on that story.
    And then there’s the Ray Rice video story. Goodell said that the league office had made several requests for the video, but the police would not release it. The police said “They could have had a copy if they’d asked for it, but they never did.”

  146. eepobee says:
    Aug 2, 2015 12:34 PM

    #4 Absolutely incorrect. The average of the PSI measurements for colts balls was 12.53 and the average for the Pats was 11.29. So if Anderson’s recollection of those numbers is accurate (and we have no way to know if it is), colts balls dropped .47 PSI and Pats balls dropped 1.3 PSI.

    Please explain.
    ____________________________________
    The four Colts balls were warming the entire time they were in the warm room during halftime while the Pats balls were being measured by two gauges and noted and re-inflated to 13 psi.

    Warmer footballs = Higher pressure, this is real basic stuff here.

    Again, all of this lines up with the ideal gas laws predicted pressure of the footballs based on the gauge that Walt Anderson believes he used prior to the game.

  147. Go back and listen to Bill B’s -Mona-Lisa-DeVito- presser.

    Tell me that is not the smartest guy in the NFL.

    He knew the science behind it, while the other Bill (the “science guy” Nye), didn’t have a clue.

  148. More from the Jenkins article:

    ” It’s only when you go back and examine the Wells report and
    study Goodell’s written decision more closely that you discover
    the phone was never demanded as evidence. You also discover
    Footnote No. 11.

    Goodell’s own buried footnote says that during the appeal
    before him, Brady and his agents furnished comprehensive
    cellphone records, including records of 10,000 text messages,
    and offered to help find and reconstruct all relevant
    communications.

    Goodell rejected the offer as “not practical.” Actually nothing
    would have been easier. Brady’s phone records showed he
    communicated with just 28 league-
    affiliated people. It was clear from the phone numbers which
    of them were Patriots employees in a position to manipulate game
    balls. It should have been a simple matter to discern whether
    Brady destroyed relevant communications with them.

    “My question to Wells is: Do you have information that there
    were communications missing?” Dowd asks.
    “And didn’t you conclude you had enough?”

  149. whispersd says:
    #4 Absolutely incorrect. The average of the PSI measurements for colts balls was 12.53

    After they dropped the data point representing the most deflation…

    “and the average for the Pats was 11.29. So if Anderson’s recollection of those numbers is accurate (and we have no way to know if it is), colts balls dropped .47 PSI and Pats balls dropped 1.3 PSI.”

    Well, that’s not exactly right. It would be more precise to say that “the difference between the two sets of measurements were…”

    ++++++++++
    After what data point? I took every measurement into account on all 4 balls with both gauges.

    And what I said isn’t exact because we’re relying on Anderson’s “recollection” of what the PSI’s were to start. But since the Colts reportedly like the balls low to, hard to believe they were .5 PSI higher than the Pats.

    But given the starting point, what I said is accurate. 1.2+ PSI difference between the 2 teams balls.

  150. Look, I despise Goodell, but he has not committed a crime here. He may have committed a bunch of torts (slander, defamation, etc.), but that’s dealt with in a civil process, not a criminal one.

    As far as the Wells Report and what actually happened, josh1973sun, you really don’t know what you’re talking about. 3 of the 4 Colts balls were actually found to be underinflated, AND according to referee Walt Anderson’s recollection (which was used by the Wells Report), the Colts balls also started out higher in PSI than the Pats balls (13.1 vs. 12.5).

    The main confusion around the Wells Report (and this is what the AEI Report hammers them on) is that there was ONE gauge used pregame, and TWO gauges used at halftime. Walt Anderson recalls that he used the “LOGO” gauge pregame, and if you simply use the halftime measurements from the LOGO gauge, both the Colts and Pats balls lost about the same amount of air pressure, an amount that was consistent with science. BUT for some reason (not explained), Wells REJECTS Walt Anderson’s recollection of having used the LOGO gauge and instead ONLY uses the halftime measurements from the non-LOGO gauge. That’s literally the only way they can find that the Pats balls were deflated more than the Colts balls or more than explicable by science. If you take away that dubious logic (which again is not explained by the Wells Report– why did you accept Walt Anderson’s recollection of 12.5 PSI for the Pats but not his recollection as to which gauge he used?), there’s literally no evidence that the balls were manipulated.

  151. Actually the right questions are:

    A) why would the NFL want to destroy their golden boy five time champion? Because if you believe they’re out to get Brady then you need a good answer for that.

    B) Why destroy your cell phone if you’re innocent?

  152. Read the AEI Report, if you want the scientific explanation (w/ regression analysis).

    But I don’t even think you need that report to win this case if you’re Brady. The abuses of process in this case (the false leaks, the ruling that Brady’s team couldn’t look at any of the evidence or examine the witnesses, the adversarial nature of Paul Weiss (Ted Wells’s law firm, which was supposed to be the independent investigator, but which took on a very clearly prosecutorial approach) all are pretty clear evidence that the arbitration ruling in this case was “evidently partial” (i.e. biased), which is all you need to vacate the ruling under the Federal Arbitration Act, which governs here.

  153. Hold on just a second — Mortensen just revealed he had MULTIPLE sources for his info.

    That pretty much puts to lie the suspect WEEI report that this was all the work of the Dark Lord Kensil.

    And yet so many are swallowing their very unsourced report blaming him for this.

    I think WEEI has some owning up to do.

    And so does anyone who’s buying into their nonsense.

  154. eepobee says:
    Aug 2, 2015 11:50 AM

    again, another dose of reality for florio/pats fans (now synonymous) from the group hired to investigate if the Pats balls could have deflated from 12.5 to 11.3 by any other means than tampering:

    Exponent concluded that the average pressures recorded for the Patriots game balls during halftime of the AFC Championship Game were lower than the lowest average pressures attained by the simulations. In other words, when tests were run using the most likely game-day conditions and circumstances, the Patriots halftime measurements could not be replicated, and the pressures observed for the Patriots footballs by Exponent during its experiments were all higher.

    Please explain.

    —————–
    Read the AEI report. All the Exponent “science” is completely debunked.

    There, that was easy.

  155. From Sally Jenkins Washington Post article on deflategate and due process:

    “Watching this case closely and curiously is John Dowd, the special counsel who conducted Major League Baseball’s investigation into Pete Rose and got him banned from the game. As a neutral observer, Dowd finds the abuse of process in DeflateGate to be the real scandal. “I still don’t know what this is about. . . . Like ‘Seinfeld,’ this is about nothing,” he said in an e-mail. He called Goodell’s ruling against Brady based on a sudden issue over Brady’s cellphone “an ambush” and added, “The entire NFL disciplinary process lacks integrity and fairness.”

    John Dowd also did an interview in which he talks about deflate-gate and the NFL’s disciplinary process. It’s a must watch for anyone interested in this whole mess.

  156. Eepo, Goodell’s final ruling explains how it was proven that Walt Anderson was mistaken about which gage he use. If you haven’t read it, I think you will be impressed.

  157. billscastdotcom says:
    Aug 2, 2015 1:11 PM

    Actually the right questions are:

    A) why would the NFL want to destroy their golden boy five time champion? Because if you believe they’re out to get Brady then you need a good answer for that.

    B) Why destroy your cell phone if you’re innocent?

    ___________

    You’re buying the NFL’s spin. Easy answers to your questions:
    A) To show us how tough and decisive and independent Goodell is, even on his closest friends (recall the big article on how Kraft was the shadow commissioner), particularly after the Ray Rice, Bountygate, and AP incidents and how terribly he handled those. It’s working by the way, because no one is talking about how indecisive or lenient he was in the Rice case.

    B) You’re buying into the NFL’s language. What do you do when you buy a new phone? You (or the story you trade in your phone to) take out the sim card, destroy it, and then recycle the phone. The NFL’s language is designed to make you think he smashed it up to hide evidence. In fact, the NFL and Wells explicitly acknowledged that Brady had already turned over all of the text messages and phone logs they had asked for, and that there was nothing on his phone they needed.

    Don’t be manipulated by the NFL’s PR. This case stinks to high heaven.

  158. ““Listen, I went back . . . and I can’t go through too many of the steps I took because it wasn’t just a single source,” Mortensen said. “Even before that report came back that maybe they were one pound underneath because I agree maybe it’s a huge difference, but you know what I was told was, I said, ‘Listen,’ I said, ‘is there any discrepancies in what I reported, because I want to know.’ Because even on a small detail like that. And I was just told, ‘No, you were right on.’”

    __________________________

    First sentence: because it wasn’t just a single cource”.

    There is your conspiracy. Kensil was not a Lone Wolf in this, he had other members of the scheme.
    Publich the names Mort, out the conspirers.

    @whitetrash69
    @religionisforidiots
    @northeastkiller
    @sbaltimimore
    @realitycheckbaby
    @skawh
    @allother haters

    There are none so blind as those who choose not to see

  159. Reporters have an obligation to set the record straight. And the sooner the better. Now that we’ve learned that ESPN’s top reporter was lied to multiple times by an unnamed source in the NFL and, lied to by multiple people inside the NFL confirming the original lie (All unnamed, of course) and, this weasel is now evading talk shows because he was lied to and published a story that was an outright lie ? Mort,….give up your source. That person lied to you and made a fool of you. You owe it to yourself, to the NFL, to the public and soon to a United States District Court Judge in New York City where the NFL better come clean really fast. Courts do not like liars and right now, you are a certifiable liar.

  160. The trolls hating the patriots are slowly disappearing. All they have left to argue with is “ball boy called himself deflator” keep on crying

  161. Do some of you still not understand that when something is pressurized in an environment where the temperature is 70 degrees, and then taken to an environment where the temperature is 50 degrees, the pressure will be lower, WITHOUT anyone releasing some of the air?

    Try inflating your tires and checking the pressure in a heated garage (sixty degrees), then park the car outside for a couple of hours where the temperature is 30 degrees. Check the pressure again. What do you think will have happened?

  162. Wells never asked for Tom Brady’s cellphone and didn’t require it. “Keep the phone,” Wells told Brady and his agent. He insisted his investigation was thorough without it. “I don’t think it undermines in any way the conclusions of the report,” he said. Those were his exact words. So were these, after interrogating Brady for more than five hours: “Totally cooperative,” Wells said of Brady’s testimony.

    Haha, I don’t know what’s worse Goodell using the cell phone in his appeal decision or that so many NFL fans are falling for his bait and switch.

  163. This report is fuel for the Pats fans, as it should be. The destroyed cell phone reports was fuel for the non-Pats fans, as it should have been. It is difficult to believe this will ever be resolved fairly. At the end of the day I guess that’s what fair is…all parties feeling like they won a little and lost a little. Something like 2 game suspension and Lifesavers for all.

  164. Ha, ha, ha, ha!!!

    The vast Left-wing, Liberal conspiracy at Goodell’s NFL offices and by their paid ESPN Shills continue to unravel causing lots of pain and anguish to those Brady Haters who can actually think a bit, but of course going completely over the brain-deadened, druggie addled Brady Haters itty-bitty minds!!!

    The last bit of drama to be played out is whether Goodell can come up with another false narrative that he too is a victim of rogue ex-Jets elements in the NFL offices that orchestrated this fiasco targeting Brady with full cooperation of the corrupt Ted Wells.

  165. shanewojnar says:
    Aug 2, 2015 10:17 AM
    And… Cue up all the Patriot slander. Bottom line is the NFL, and public, want the Patriots and Brady, to “come clean” when the NFL (and ESPN) aren’t willing to do the same themselves.

    But please, by all means folks, let’s continue with the Brady is a cheater diatribes.
    ———–

    The fact that you think this absolves Brady just shows how delusional you and your ilk have become.

  166. I am convinced most of these haters are hired shills from PFT to provoke responses from Mats fans.
    The nonsense they come up with is so laughable it’s almost sad.

    WOW.

    Time to get a real job shills

  167. The NFL comes across as manipulative and self serving and ESPN comes across as a joke, a pawn.

    Working for ESPN must feel like being a Scientologist.

  168. I don’t blame Mort on this one either – he was used…period.

    A more interesting nuance to all of this is Brady’s opportunity to sue the principles for defamation. This could possibly bring out information that most of us believe is there …. but sealed.

    Florio – perhaps you could give us your take on this opportunity for Brady to clear his name …the burden of proof required…the impact this could have on the the principles?

  169. I really try to not hold Mort ENTIRELY responsible. He was indeed lied to. He was indeed doing his job and he was under the impression that his information was true.

    That said, Mort should have come out long before this. His report is what pushed that bowling ball over the edge. Most of the damage done since has largely been exaggerated by that erroneous report.

  170. Here is my take on some of the questions.

    1) Was the NFL targeting Brady?
    NO, BUT I do not think Kensil was neutral. As a former Jets official he is absolutely not a fan of a certain coach who stepped away from the Jets to coach the Patriots. This was clearly a sting as no attempt was made to stop a tampering, the actions indicate an attempt to CATCH a tampering. I believe that Belichick was in the crosshairs and I think there would be a preference if the scandal implicated Belichick.

    2) What about Brady’s phone?
    The NFL has the phones and all info from the ONLY two guys who had access to the footballs as well as the lead equipment guy which is under reported. Brady’s phone is not needed.

    3) What about the texts?
    The most important thing is were the footballs deflated by the Patriots? everything else is secondary You prove tampering by science, not texts. It is clear to me that if you change UNSUPPORTABLE assumptions in the Wells report you get different results. That to me proves no tampering. These assumptions include:
    – temperature in the locker room before the game (the higher the temp, the more the Patriots footballs will deflate. Exponent cleverly used 67 degrees. WHY??
    – Dampness of the Patriots footballs
    – Which Gauge was used
    – When were the Colts footballs gauged? At the end of the half most likely, Wells report says a few minutes into halftime but they also say they ran out of time. Huh??

    4) Is the info leaked to Mort a scandal?
    YES. Obviously Mort would not and could not run the same report with the accurate information. Why was incorrect info leaked and then confirmed by multiple sources? There is no justification.

  171. AGAIN…The TEXT messages in the Wells Report do NOT LIE. Those are actual TEXT MESSAGES.
    So PFT and Patriots can try to spin the attention elsewhere but you can’t erase the text!!!

  172. teddyrex says:
    Aug 2, 2015 1:11 PM

    As far as the Wells Report and what actually happened, josh1973sun, you really don’t know what you’re talking about.
    ____________________________________

    Ah, yes. 3 of 4 Colts balls were below the minimum on one gauge. I was mistaken on that point going on memory alone. The rest of your comment mirrors what I have been posting all along so perhaps I know more than you are giving me credit for knowing huh? Either that or you don’t know what you are talking about either 😛

  173. The NFL confessed to violating the rules by measuring footballs at halftime and by adding air as the people present (Vincent et al) saw fit. By rule, the playability of footballs is solely determined by the game referee. Oh, he was busy? On top of that, we cannot expect a game to be held up for ten minutes to retrieve all the footballs for re-measurement before the game starts – on the basis of a suspicion?

    We have turned an in-your-face manly game into something entirely different: “Brady made a face at the NFL (I think)!” – Ted Wells.

  174. Then answer me this why in 2012 did the league only fine the Chargers no asking for texts from anyone. IN fact there was no investigation at all they fined the Chargers and moved on. Now suddenly there has to be an investigation they have to find a special investigator? The NFL blew this and all you Pats haters are trying to cover for the NFL

  175. 7 months of bellyaching over this guy. We see here he did correct his statement only met by more whining drummed up by the spin master.

  176. Its not Mort that lied to us but the league via Mort. We the fans were led to believe the Pats were out right cheeters and that included Brady so lets hang them all then have a trial.

    Based on this story the league should drop the charges against Brady and give the Pats the fine money they paid.

    Then they should start investigating all the big mouths they have and get rid of them.

  177. Its Morts time to name names. He if I was lied to on multiple occasions and asked for clarity and re lied to I would name names. Otherwise Mort is the lier, get rid of him.

  178. Winninaintsinnin
    Perfect example of what most of America is buying from the NFL…..provocative words. You need to dig a little deeper into the narrative.

    Believing what they want even when it flies in the face of the facts.

  179. “GO FOR TWO SPORTS says:
    Aug 2, 2015 1:48 PM
    AGAIN…The TEXT messages in the Wells Report do NOT LIE. Those are actual TEXT MESSAGES.
    So PFT and Patriots can try to spin the attention elsewhere but you can’t erase the text!!!”

    Like the text message from Jastremski that states the balls should have read 13 psi postgame in October? The one that completely debunks any long term deflation scheme theory, and renders the “deflator” text from 5 months earlier entirely irrelevant? Those text messages?

  180. whitetrash69 says:
    Aug 2, 2015 10:29 AM
    None of this changes the the fact that the Patriots were caught cheating and refused to cooperate in the investigation. Also, the Patriots were considered cheaters long before deflategate so you can’t claim they were harmed.
    ———————————-
    Actually they weren’t caught doing anything, that’s the point. That’s ok, slowly but surely dipschitz such as yourself are starting to come around to the fact that this is a complete sham. Brady will not sit 1 game. But at least this joke of a story has kept people engaged in the NFL for the last 8 months.

  181. Here is an interesting question. What would the penalty be for a quarterback that has “general awareness” his offensive line was doing steroids? What gives a bigger competitive advantage an lb of air pressure or a juiced up offensive line?

  182. straightfactshomie says:
    Aug 2, 2015 2:26 PM
    “GO FOR TWO SPORTS says:
    Aug 2, 2015 1:48 PM
    AGAIN…The TEXT messages in the Wells Report do NOT LIE. Those are actual TEXT MESSAGES.
    So PFT and Patriots can try to spin the attention elsewhere but you can’t erase the text!!!”

    Like the text message from Jastremski that states the balls should have read 13 psi postgame in October? The one that completely debunks any long term deflation scheme theory, and renders the “deflator” text from 5 months earlier entirely irrelevant? Those text messages?
    ********************************

    ..or the one in which Brady asks McNally to bring the rule book to the refs to make sure the balls are correct? Like that one?

  183. I’m not 100% sure its Kensil either. Maybe a drunken, drug addict, spoiled rich kid owner whose team is always getting the snot beat out of them by the Patriots is behind this lie. Especially considering the “source” made extra effort (another lie) to absolve the Colts from deflating balls. Maybe the multiple sources include Grigson and his lap dog Kravitz.

  184. I’m not 100% sure its Kensil either. Maybe a drunken, drug addict, spoiled rich kid owner whose team is always getting the snot beat out of them by the Patriots is behind this lie. Especially considering the “source” made extra effort (another lie) to absolve the Colts from deflating balls. Maybe the multiple sources include Grigson and his lap dog Kravitz.

  185. Hatchet job from Day 1. The Patriots were convicted before the “investigation” ever began.

  186. Tee hee 🙂

    It is hilarious that Patriot Hater stubbornly refuses to leave their home state of Denial USA! 🙂

  187. imodan says:
    Aug 2, 2015 11:32 AM

    Only 4 of the Colts balls were tested because the refs were running out of time. The average PSI of their balls was right at 12.5.

    Is Mort’s claim that the balls were 2 lbs below 12.5 causing Florio’s meltdown? Really? A rampage of posts in the last couple of days over 1 pound vs. 2 pounds? WHY WERE ALL THE BALLS UNDERINFLATED AT ALL, WHEN NONE OF THE COLTS WERE?
    —————————————————-

    You can’t say none of the Colts balls were under inflated if they only checked 4 out of 12 balls.

  188. I am convinced most of these haters are hired shills from PFT to provoke responses from Mats fans.
    The nonsense they come up with is so laughable it’s almost sad.

    WOW.

    Time to get a real job shills


    Possible. Most likely just not very bright. 🙂

  189. Patriot Hater sure is squirming a lot the last few days. I wonder why? 🙂

  190. ***“GO FOR TWO SPORTS says:
    Aug 2, 2015 1:48 PM
    AGAIN…The TEXT messages in the Wells Report do NOT LIE. Those are actual TEXT MESSAGES.
    So PFT and Patriots can try to spin the attention elsewhere but you can’t erase the text!!!”***

    You mean the ones where Brady printed the rule about PSI and asked Jastremski to make sure the ref was aware of the legal limits?

  191. This has all made the greatest comeback in Superbowl history and the World Championship even sweeter. At Heathrow in London I looked at a newspaper and it was a story there even!

    An inept sting operation run by the NFL headquarters which is stuffed with ex-NY Jets employees and the scripted Wells report is pure gold. It’s all coming out and I hope it goes on forever. The comedy of this carny act that is being run by morons like Mike Kensil and Roger Goodell has made that Superbowl win even better than it was, which is beyond comprehension. Look for referees to make a serious effort at the failed revenge this season.

  192. Goodell is a compulsive liar. I hope Brady sues him for every penny he has.

    Brady needs to sue the NFL, Goodell, Kensil, Pash, Aiello, Gardi, Wells, Mortensen, ESPN, Vincent all individually for defamation/slander.

    Take everything all of them have Tommy. They were out to get you now make them pay.

    Every single one of those scumbgas ought to lose everything they have.

  193. Bwahaha! Mulder & Scully look like regular office FEDS compared to these TrutherParanoiaPats Fans going completely bonkers as their second scandal (and counting) is dealt with.

    Hilarious…I need more popcorn T.O., the court settlement/discussion threads are gonna be awesome!

  194. Brady took oath when he gave he testimony before the Hanging Judge Goodell and his army of Rats, I mean lawyers.

    Notice how Mort runs and hides. He will not show up and come CLEAN on his REQUIRED JURY DUTY on ESPN.

    WAKE UP SHEEPLE – You have been PAWNED by the NFL & it’s Underlings.

    RISE UP and return to WE The PEOPLE

  195. Isn’t there enough hate in the world? Hatin’ on Brady and the Pats enough to cause this mess well that’s just so screwed up!

    —-

    I think the Patriots will always be resented by many for completely blowing up the idea that great teams are great because they have big names and big stars and how fun it was to watch powerful teams beating up inferior teams with their big stars. The Patriots threw the game on its ear when they showed that great teams are all about the TEAM. See Way, Patriot. A lot of people will always resent that THEIR beloved game of stars was taken away from them by the Pats. And they are desperate to hang onto that because to them they can’t comprehend that the game they knew and loved is fundamentally inferior so clearly this “team” way of winning must be because of um..”cheating”. Yeah that must be it. 🙂

    In other words, they clearly love living in the past and probably should think about getting with the times 🙂

  196. @cantescapekarma The text messages the NFL used to support their case that mentioned Deflator were made in May of 2014 before a barbeque that those tow guys were going to be attending. What the Wells report chose to leave out was the full text conversation. It was considerably longer than what was shown and included derogatory comments by one of the men towards the others wife. There is nothing in the conversation that would make you think it had anything to do with footballs. That text exchange has been fully uploaded on the Patriots website.
    This has been a total witch hunt by the NFL. I fully believe after the Ravens game in which to a degree the officials and mostly the other coach were embarrassed by the ineligible/eligible receiver scheme the Patriots used and then Brady’s comment that the Ravens “should learn the rules” opened NE up to this attack. This is why Belichick just keeps his mouth shout although I can’t wait to read the book when he retires. The penalties invoked on the Patriots are baseless and incredibly over excessive. I believe the rule book says it is a $25,000 fine.
    Also why does the NFL need Brady’s phone? If they have the full text logs from the other two geniuses than they have all they need. Unless of course what they really want is something on Belichick which is probably who this whole thing was contrived to destroy in the first place but they couldn’t find jack on him so they attacked Brady.

  197. After reading the comments, it appears there are 12 people out there who hate the Pats so much that they thumbs-down every post pointing out the facts.

    Of course, the rest of us are sane.

  198. Tee hee…Pats homers actually think the world has forgotten about their team’s track record of being serial cheaters. Hah! They actually think that a false media report will have any bearing on the Brady court case. LOL!!! They believe by frantically down thumbing posts they dislike that it will change the Patriots tainted legacy.
    Talk about a real knee slapper!!!!

  199. Patriot hater numbers are dwindling. What was once a majority has shrunken to such a small minority you can count them on one hand. Reading comprehension, logic and truth are slowly beginning to prevail. Haters are the reason people think Americans are stupid. You form an opinion and are too stubborn to accept facts that fly directly in contrast to your opinion thus making it invalid. Stop making this country look bad. Open your eyes! ESPN and the NFL are feeding you lies and have been for longer than just deflategate. Yahoo, Fox, NBC, CBS and the major newspapers are all catching on to this conspiracy and slowly exposing it for what it is.

  200. Florio, would you please post a thread with the following title:

    “It’s more probable not” that Roger Goodell was “at least generally aware” that Kensil “leaked misinformation to the media.”

    If I was on Twitter I would Tweet it.

  201. Whietrash69, this is all GOOD news — and there is much more yet to come. If the Patriots didn’t do anything wrong, and it’s looking more and more like that’s the case, you have no reason to be angry / upset. That means less binge eating, less wife beating, and less reliance on therapists

  202. goingthextramile says:
    Aug 2, 2015 11:06 AM

    Patriot Way…………

    Deny
    Deflect
    Accuse
    Repeat

    Its called circumstantial “guessing” fake evidence.

    That is why the judge is ready to rule totally in favor of Brady.

  203. pleasestopthesnow says:
    Aug 2, 2015 3:16 PM
    …..
    Brady needs to sue the NFL, Goodell, Kensil, Pash, Aiello, Gardi, Wells, Mortensen, ESPN, Vincent all individually for defamation/slander….

    Unfortunately Brady is such a public figure that he probably cannot get far in such a suit as public figures such as Brady are generally considered fair game for the libel and slander for which ESPN, Goodell, Kensil, Vincent and Wells have clearly been guilty.

    Still, Brady has the resources to burn to embarrass ESPN and the other liars further, even without winning such a suit or even winning this appeal, so it would be good theater.

  204. jayo99 says:
    Aug 2, 2015 3:32 PM

    Unless of course what they really want is something on Belichick

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    They wanted Brady #1 and Bellichick 1a as well as the Draft Picks from the organization.

    What has pissed Goodell, Well$ & the Jealous Owners the MOST is that they could not connect Brady with BB.
    This was the PLAN. Suspend Brady for four games but BB gets one FULL Year as did the Saints HC Payton.
    If they got them both then, No Way a SB REPEAT.

  205. “”Brady needs to sue the NFL, Goodell, Kensil, Pash, Aiello, Gardi, Wells, Mortensen, ESPN, Vincent all individually for defamation/slander.””

    Then the rats will run.

  206. NFLgate. Woodward and Bernstein need to do a full investigation on the malicious, depraved machinations of the NFL and the men who contrived this scheme to frame the Patriots and Tom Brady. The thread of lies, purposeful misinformation relayed to “deep throat II – Chris Mortenson; the set up by G. Gordon Liddy II, Jim Kensil, and his staff, the ties to ESPN and the Colts and Ravens, the “edited” independent Wells report, the malice and defamation put upon a tremendous young man and the face of the league. This is the horrendous chapter of “All The Commissioner’s Men.” I want to know what Goodell knew and when did he know about it — the lies, the plan to deceive and abuse power to the point of complete moral turpitude. This is an old story. It is not Brady who has anything to hide, he has already come forth. No. It is Mr. Goodell’s turn and when the Emperor’s clothes are stripped off, it will spell his demise and that of all of his little soldiers. Kraft was correct when he said he was wrong to have trusted these (immoral) people. Lord Acton wrote: “Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”

  207. All the hater comments are evidence of defamation. They are proof that people drank the Kool-Aid the NFL supplied, and Brady and the Pats are judged guilty in public opinion even though there was no deflation! Talk about blind hatred. I hope any lawyers Brady hires to sue read these comments.

  208. “They said, ‘Use common sense,’ Mortensen said. ‘One team’s footballs, basically all of them were underinflated. The other team’s footballs — they like them on the low end, too, by the way, the Colts — were all within regulation. So all the scientific minutiae that’s been thrown at us, be careful about buying into it.”

    **************************

    The red-headed mobster and his gang sure know how do smear jobs.

  209. YOu talk of track record, 2 cheats in 10 yrs is not a track record. The Jets the Ravens the Colts all have more now they have a track record

  210. “theleakis…rhymeswithpencil says:
    Aug 2, 2015 4:27 PM
    All the hater comments are evidence of defamation. They are proof that people drank the Kool-Aid the NFL supplied, and Brady and the Pats are judged guilty in public opinion even though there was no deflation! Talk about blind hatred. I hope any lawyers Brady hires to sue read these comments.”

    Or listen to callers at most sports radio stations. It’s ridiculous how many people 100% believe everything the NFL and ESPN tell them, but then assume anything the Patriots and Brady say is a lie, despite the NFL’s history of lies and zero record of the Patriots ever lying. This all started with spygate, which unfortunately came before the time of Twitter and sports blogs. Lots of misinformation was spread by ESPN back then and continues to be accepted as fact by most people. If people really knew all the relevant info about spygate and then witnessed the entire deflategate saga unfold, there is no doubt they would see it for what it really is: people in positions of authority within the NFL that have a general disdain for the Patriots and Belichick in particular.

  211. question for you patriot haters…..during the mueller/rice investigation….why wouldn’t your hero goodell give up his cell phone?

  212. cloud1515 says:
    Aug 2, 2015 4:02 PM

    “”Brady needs to sue the NFL, Goodell, Kensil, Pash, Aiello, Gardi, Wells, Mortensen, ESPN, Vincent all individually for defamation/slander.””

    Then the rats will run.

    =========================================
    Had Brady actually shown some character he would have a case.

  213. Goodell has spoken lies and many follow him…
    Because they REFUSED to acknowledge the facts and desire Truth. For this reason they were given over to believe the lies.

    Everyone has Freedom of Choice – You are being TESTED.

    Make sure that you choose with WISDOM.

  214. Goodell did not give up his personal phone, only league property and issued electronic devices for the Mueller report.

  215. Actually I did find a contact us link, and I sent them this idea. Told them to try to find out why the NFL is trying to destroy the Patriots and one of the greatest players in the history of the NFL. Said this would be a fascinating story.

  216. Not sure what happened to my first post. But I did find a link on 60 minutes to ask them to do s story on why the NFL is attempting to destroy one of their own great teams and one of the greatest players in NFL history.

  217. I’m not sure of all the details, but DeflateGate undoubtedly has something to do with New York’s (home of Pats killing Giants and divisional rival Jets) Donald Trump leading the polls for the Republican nomination.
    Probably DHS will use his rhetoric to prevent immigration by tin hat wearing Patriot fanboys. who are even crazier than he is. (Although a few of them might be decent people).

    You people have parted your moorings with the State of Reality.

  218. Maybe Brady should turn to the nuclear option. I got 4 letters for ya.

    RICO

    That will make the NFL eager to settle, drop this nonsense and apologize pretty darn quickly.

    🙂

  219. The NFL showed extreme bias from the beginning leaking false information and then not correcting it and not letting the Pats correct it. Why would they want to do that to Brady. Who know but the fact is that is what the NFL did. That extreme bias means it is far more probably than not that Wells was assigned the task of somehow finding guilt.

  220. Sorry Pats haters, you may actually have 101 legitimate reasons for overflowing with venom about the Pats, but this whole “Deflategate” nonsense can’t be one of them. You want to be mad at someone, be mad at the NFL and the army of media muppets they used to throw fish food at you like you were a bunch of guppies. And you just joyfully gulped it down because it tasted exactly how you wanted it to. There’s indeed a scandal here alright, just not the one you were hoping for.

  221. I wonder who Kensil is hissing at now? I wonder if Kravitz has imploded? I wonder if Goodell has any idea how much BIG TROUBLE he and his gang are going to be in when this ends?

  222. all of the gas law calcs, including the one in the wells report, artificially favor the patriots. Why? Becuase they assume the final temp of the pats balls were 48F. This is impossible. By the time they were brought to the locker room in the heated stadium, they would have been nearer to 55-60, and by the time the 11th ball was measured, closer to 72. The final ball on the logo gauge read 10.9. Based on this, there is no question there was tampering.

  223. Then why was there a delay of several minutes in checking the Colts balls yet 3 of 4 were still under inflated? It is possible cause I have it in good authority from an HVAC friend of mine that heating locker rooms to 70 degrees does not happen there is to much space 65 at most is the best the heating can usually do

  224. “They said, ‘Use common sense,’ Mortensen said. ‘One team’s footballs, basically all of them were underinflated. The other team’s footballs — they like them on the low end, too, by the way, the Colts — were all within regulation. So all the scientific minutiae that’s been thrown at us, be careful about buying into it.
    ———————————

    Lawl.

    Our information is good, though.

  225. Um oops then how do you explain the several reports from several sources that the league only check 4 Colts balls and 3 of them were also underinflated?

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