At hearing, Brady tiptoed around preference for 12.5 PSI

AP

The NFLPA has made its initial filing in a New York federal court in the case involving Patriots quarterback Tom Brady’s four-game suspension. Filed with the main document was the lengthy transcript of the 10-hour appeal hearing.

PFT has obtained a copy of the transcript, and the resident lawyer has been assigned the responsibility of reading and digesting it. (Hooray?)

The process began with the testimony from the first witness called by NFLPA outside counsel Jeffrey Kessler: Tom Brady.

In response to questions from Kessler, Brady said all the things that would be expected. He didn’t know about any effort to deflate footballs, he didn’t direct anyone to do it, and he wasn’t even aware of the limits for air pressure inside footballs until after the 2014 game against the Jets, when Brady became “very pissed off” because the balls used in that game were “very hard.”

It turned out that the balls somehow had been inflated to 16 PSI. This prompted Brady to look up the relevant rule. He said that he then learned for the first time about the 12.5 to 13.5 PSI range, and he told Patriots equipment manager Dave Schoenfeld to “make sure when the referees get the balls, give them this sheet of paper that highlighted” the minimum and the maximum. Brady specifically said at that time that the balls should be inflated to 12.5 PSI.

On cross-examination, Lorin Reisner asked Brady how he arrived at 12.5 PSI as his preferred inflation.

“We basically just picked a number at that point, I guess, historically, we had always set the pressure at — before John Jastremski took over, it had been historically set at, like, 12.7 or 12.8,” Brady said. “That’s what I learned after the fact. And I think based on the Jets game, I said why don’t we just set them at 12.5, bring this [copy of the rule] to the ref and I didn’t think about it after that.”

Then Reisner asked again why Brady would pick 12.5 PSI.

“Ball pressure has been so inconsequential, I hadn’t even thought about that,” Brady said. “I think at the end of the day, the only time I thought about it was after the Jet game and then after this was brought up, after the [AFC] championship game. It’s never something that has been on my radar, registered. I never said ‘psi.’ I don’t think I even know what that meant until after the [AFC] championship game. It was something that never crossed my mind.”

And then Reisner asked again why Brady picked 12.5 PSI.

“We looked in the rule book,” Brady said.

And then, one more time, Reisner asked Brady why he picked 12.5 PSI.

“I don’t know exactly how we did it,” Brady said. “I don’t remember how we came to that other than the experience I had in the Jet game when they were grossly overinflated and then they showed me the rule book or the copy of the page in the rule book. And I said, why don’t we just set them here, 12.5, and not think about it ever again.”

Reisner then posed the obvious question that Brady apparently didn’t want to directly answer: “Did you pick 12.5 because it was toward the lower end or the lower end of the permissible range?

“I’m not sure why I picked it in particular,” Brady said, “other than having to put some — I think John [Jastremski] said he did either 12.5 or 12.6. You know, we had to pick some number that we were ultimately going to set them to, so I said why don’t we just set them all to 12.5 and that was it.”

Then came the direct point that Brady’s prior answers were trying to avoid: “Is it fair to say that you prefer the footballs inflated to a pressure level at the low end of the range?”

“Like I said, I never have thought about the ball, the air pressure in a football,” Brady said. “The only time I have ever thought about the air pressure in a football was after the Jets game when they were at the level of 16.

“So whenever I went to pick the game balls, I never once in 15 years ever asked what the ball pressure was set at until after the Jet game. So whether it’s 12.5 or 12.6 or 12.7 or 12.8 or 12.9 or 13, all the way up to the Colts game, I still think it’s inconsequential to what the actual feel of a grip of a football would be.

“So the fact that there could be a ball that’s set at 12.5 that I would disapprove of, there could be a ball at 13 that I could approve of. It all is depending on how the ball feels in my hand on that particular day.”

Reisner kept at it, trying to get Brady to admit he wanted as little air as possible in the balls, with the implication being that he’d take even less than the minimum, if he could get it.

“And the request that 12.5 was your preferred pressure level was because you like the balls inflated at the low end of the permissible range; is that fair?” Lorin Reisner asked.

“I’m not sure what you’re asking,” Brady said.

“You didn’t just pick 12.5 randomly, correct?”

“No, we picked 12.5 because that was — I don’t know why we picked 12.5. We could have picked 12.6. I don’t even remember it being part of the conversation; I really don’t. I don’t remember exactly how we set it other than I had this experience at the Jet game where the balls were at 16.

“I didn’t like that. That’s the first time I ever complained. So when I say 12 and a half and 13 and a half, I made the determination let’s just set them at 12 and a half.”

“And that wasn’t chosen randomly,” Reisner later asked, “but it was chosen because you preferred that inflation level, fair?”

“I never thought about the inflation level, Lorin” Brady said. “I never in the history of my career, I never thought about the inflation level of a ball.”

Brady later explained that none of it matters; “I think the irony of everything is I don’t even squeeze a football,” he said.

“I think that’s something that’s really important to know is I grip the ball as loosely as possible. I don’t even squeeze the ball and I think that’s why it’s impossible for me to probably tell the difference between what 12.5 and 12.7 and 12.9 and 13 because I’m just gripping it like a golf club. I’ve tried to explain it. It’s like a golf club. You don’t squeeze the golf club. You handle it very gently. And that’s the same way I handle a football.”

Brady never directly admitted what his decision to go with 12.5 PSI necessarily conveys — that he preferred the footballs to be inflated at 12.5 PSI because that was the lowest permissible amount. That kind of evasiveness can make people think he’s wary of that next logical step is, if he likes 12.5 PSI, he possibly loves 12.3 or 12.0 or 11.5.

The truth could be that Brady simply allowed him competitive nature take over during the questioning, which caused him to fight as hard as he could to avoid conceding a point that could be used against him. What Brady didn’t realize is that the effort to fight the point he should have just conceded does even more potential damage.

When I practiced law (and while reading through the 456-page transcript I’m more and more grateful I no longer do), I always told my witnesses to concede whatever they had to concede, without resistance. Resistance always comes off worse than just agreeing with the undeniable point the lawyer is trying to make, and moving on.

238 responses to “At hearing, Brady tiptoed around preference for 12.5 PSI

  1. From transcript – Brady admits talking to Jastremski “once or twice” in the 6 months prior to January 19 (date of AFC CG). Actually spoke 4 times, sent 12 texts that very day.

    From transcript –

    “Q: Did you do anything unusual except your normal practice, when you are done with a cell phone, to get rid of it and have it destroyed?

    A (Brady): That’s what I do.”

    Brady FB statement – “To suggest that I destroyed a phone….is completely wrong.”

    Brady is a liar, in black and white.

  2. Sick of this. Let the season start already. Brady, quit acting like a victim. You played a roll in this.

    Innocent people don’t have their assistants destroy cell phones the day of the investigations. Don’t talk to world like we are buying it.

  3. Finally. Can’t wait to read all 172 pages, maybe.

    The truth shall set you free. NFL biggest claim is Brady not turning over personal phone data. He was not under any legal obligation to.

  4. So he’s a cheater and a liar. Deliberately not answering the question is lying. Suspension upheld. Move on.

  5. Great stuff, Mike… keep it coming! And thank you for sorting this mess out. It really helps to have a lawyer who also has common sense and who can write so well to clarify aspects of what may “really” be going on with this next step in what seems to be an endless process.

  6. Besides, it seems pretty obvious that they went down to 12.5 as a reaction against the gross overinflation in the Jets game. Honestly, it wouldn’t shock me greatly if McNally had taken the balls into the bathroom not to deflate them, but to check and make sure that the officials hadn’t tried to screw them again.

  7. Umm……the lawyer is baiting him to answer in a way that makes it sound like he likes underinflated balls and Brady wasn’t biting. If he prefers them by feel at the lower end of the spectrum, that’s all he needs to say. The cross examination is trying to get Brady to make himself sound guilty.

  8. That doesn’t sound evasive at all to me… Sounds like he really didn’t give a hoot much more than simply not wanting a ball over-inflated (by the expert refs).

  9. So if he can’t even admit the simple fact that he likes them underinflated, then what else is heblying about?

    Mark Brunel and Jerome Bettis both could tell the difference immediately on ESPN and he claims he cannot?? What a joke.

  10. “anybody remember the radio interview brady did when he said he like his footballs as soft as possible. 2011 I think”

    No….that was a joke he made about Gronk spiking footballs.

  11. northeastkiller says:
    Aug 4, 2015 6:24 PM
    From transcript – Brady admits talking to Jastremski “once or twice” in the 6 months prior to January 19 (date of AFC CG). Actually spoke 4 times, sent 12 texts that very day.

    From transcript –

    “Q: Did you do anything unusual except your normal practice, when you are done with a cell phone, to get rid of it and have it destroyed?

    A (Brady): That’s what I do.”

    Brady FB statement – “To suggest that I destroyed a phone….is completely wrong.”

    Brady is a liar, in black and white.

    /-

    Yeah except you left a part out

    He said “to suggest I destroyed a phone TO HIDE SOMETHING is completely wrong”

    You people really are stupid.

  12. Maybe after it being 16 PSI in that Jets game for some odd reason, maybe the refs did it, he just thought that the lowest end of the spectrum at 12.5 would be best. Even if the refs over inflated them again, they wouldn’t be 16 PSI. That seems pretty reasonable.

  13. Can we say it all together? Tom you are a liar. I have lost all respect for brady. It’s over. The commissioner may have to reduce to 2 games but he should be done for the year if not permanently. You have a contract and in it you can’t lie to your bosses. And if caught you are done.

  14. Florio – why on Earth would Brady trust this cross examination to not be leaked to make him sound more incriminated if he said “yeah, I like soft footballs.” These leeches were looking for any slip up from Brady to pounce on and twist and he wasn’t having it.

  15. So what??…this again proves nothing. Some QBs like more air and some like less. He never said I told them to put 11 pounds of air in them. But again, the haters are going to hate, and all the facts will be ignored. Czar Goodell will see that he comes out of this squeaky clean, he has to keep that 40 Million a year job to afford the summer estate up in Maine.

  16. He cant have under inflated balls by 1 lb, but they can force him to use 16 lb balls 2.5 over the legal limit. Another witch hunt here. No consistency whatsoever. Goodell just makes stuff up of the fly and rolls with what the media puts out. Not a true leader. More like a puppet. A post turtle. A turtle sitting on a post, nobody knows how it got there, it does nothing, and nobody will take it down.

  17. Law says Brady was obligated to preserve the phone for litigation.

    See
    Zubulake v. UBS Warburg LLC, 2004 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 13574, (S.D.N.Y. 2004)

    He better settle.

  18. Florio – you would tell your clients to be that way in front of a judge or jury, not an ‘independent” entity who had been smearing your name. I don’t think your advice should apply in Brady’s case.

  19. If a player is “generally aware” that another player is taking steroids should be be suspended four games?

    Great point by Kessler.

  20. Error in past comment – game was 1/18, day after when story was out was 1/19, my mistake. Still, the rest of it are direct quotes from the transcript, downthumb it all you want if you’re so butthurt.

    Also in the transcript – one reason why Brady destroys his phones is because they’re free.

  21. I think a big deal is being made of this point for nothing. It’s as simple as, “I liked the way the 12.5 ball felt, so that’s what we did.”

    I’ve read a good chunk of this so far, and I can honestly say I can’t find anything incriminating.

  22. Or he was, you know, telling the truth and wouldn’t let this guy browbeat him into saying he did something he didn’t do.

  23. one might call it “badgering” when you consistently ask the same question over and over

    “why did you pick 12.5?”

    How many different ways did he want it explained ?

    So this is the nail in the coffin? a guy repeatedly asking Brady, “why 12.5 ? why 12.5? is it because you cheat? why 12.5 ? I think Brady did exactly what was said by Kessler and looked fine.

  24. Doesn’t Know what PSI means????

    A 4th grader knows what PSI means!
    Screw you Brady!

    GUILTY!!!

  25. just by reading through some of this early stuff that came out. wow…0 games in the end

    NFL messes something up again

  26. Daniel Nash, counsel to the NFL: ” . . . under the CBA, there is no question that you can rely on the independent investigator in making the judgment, your judgment as to whether Mr. Brady engaged in conduct detrimental.”

    But Ted Wells was not really independent, was he.

    The NFL cooked the books. It was a bag job.

  27. How many times does he have to mention the Jets game and you come away with him “tiptoeing” around 12.5????

    It’s obvious the Jets cheated and were talking about semantics?

  28. flash1287 says:
    Aug 4, 2015 6:28 PM

    Yeah except you left a part out

    He said “to suggest I destroyed a phone TO HIDE SOMETHING is completely wrong”

    You people really are stupid.

    ———-

    The reason there’s an ellipsis is because, since that FB statement was released, YOU people have insisted Brady never said he destroyed his phones because Brady said so in that statement, so there.

    He LIED in his FB statement, as much as you don’t want to admit it.

  29. greymares says:
    Aug 4, 2015 6:25 PM

    So he’s a cheater and a liar. Deliberately not answering the question is lying. Suspension upheld. Move on
    ===========================
    Yes it IS time to move on……Goodell will look like what he is…a complete buffoon who does ANYTHING to grab power….Brady will get no suspension….and hopefully this fiasco will lead to Goodell and his henchmen…Gardi, Vincent, Kensil and others going BYE BYE!!!

  30. Didn’t Brady openly admit in an interview years ago that he preferred his football’s a little deflated? Why didn’t they bring this up during their line of questions?
    Brady already said it publicly, then he told Goodell he has no clue about air pressure. That’s a lie under oath except he wasn’t subject to perjury. No wonder Goodell upheld it.

  31. So, refusing to let a lawyer twist your words is a CRIME, Mike?????

    God help us all.

    Brady was too smart to let a lawyer lead him into a trap, and Reisner was too poor of a lawyer to know how to lead him into one, properly.

    Advantage: Brady

  32. Som on WEEI when you said “I like deflated balls” were you thinking of the air pressure then?

    LIAR, CHEATER, SHADY BRADY ****

  33. Does it matter if he wanted 12.5? That IS legal. 🙂 He is UNDER OATH denying any scheme to deflate footballs. Now he will not concede anything. Nor should he 🙂 Good enough for me.

    Kessler sure left Wells a smoking crater. 🙂 LEft him babbling about the “theoretical” Ideal Gas Law

    #NotGuilty
    #Nope
    #AllHailTheKingOfTheNFL

  34. From transcript – Brady admits talking to Jastremski “once or twice” in the 6 months prior to January 19 (date of AFC CG). Actually spoke 4 times, sent 12 texts that very day.
    ===
    Jastremski isn’t the deflator and it’s never been denied that Brady knew or talked to Jastremski.

    How do you expect people to take you seriously if you don’t know the difference between McNally and Jastremski?

  35. Q. Who said his best recollection was it was the logo gauge, direct?
    A. Correct, but he also said it was possible he was mistaken.
    Q. As you know as a lawyer, witnesses will say anything is possible?
    A. Not Walt Anderson. You need to meet him. You should call him.
    Q. He maintained with you he really thought it was the logo gauge?
    A. But he also maintained that he could have been wrong.

    lol Wells is reaching. How is the unlikely scenario the move likely scenario? The gauge he said he used has the Patriots innocent.

  36. The NFL atty was doing nothing more than trying to create an impression. True or false he didn’t care.

    It doesn’t matter why 12.5 was selected…..IT’S LEGAL.

  37. I can’t stand the Pats and Brady as much as anyone but cheese and rice – he answered the question how many times? Is this now a witch hunt?

    We’re the footballs massively under inflated or not? If they weren’t then give the Pats the money and picks back. If they were then come down on and uphold the penalty. This whole “what pressure did you prefer and why” is immaterial. If he “trashed” a phone – is immaterial. Shoot I wipe my phone when I trade up and if I was a celebrity I would smash the thing too. Anybody know that stuff can and has been retrieved from phones? Maybe he has some pics of his wife he wants to make sure nobody else can get.

    This whole thing is ridiculous. Wife/girlfriend beaters are getting the same penalty. Sheesh.

  38. He answered the question the NFL just didn’t like his answer.

    Let’s ask the NFL why they use two gauges with widely different readings and then try to make a case when they are using faulty instruments.

    If you’re pulled over for speeding and they find two radar guns gave different readings the case is thrown out.

  39. I don’t see the issue. Reisner keeps harping on “12.5 PSI”, but if 12.5 PSI is within spec then what is the issue? Even if he did say “I like the lower end” it is still within spec. That’s what specifications are for. He’s saying, “I like my balls within spec, on the lower end.”

    Then I read this: “That kind of evasiveness can make people think he’s wary of that next logical step is, if he likes 12.5 PSI, he possibly loves 12.3 or 12.0 or 11.5.”

    Now I get it. More court of public opinion sentiment . But then again, all that will count is what Judge Berman thinks. I’m sure he doesn’t deal in conjecture, guesswork, hypothesizing and presumption. Teddy Wells, Reisner and Roger won’t be able to spin that yarn. They’re dealing with a professional now.

  40. It was a smart answer. Why would anyone except him to say he likes the footballs at 12.5 psi when nobody on the planet knew what a psi was until after the AFC championship game. The ball was a 16 psi and he demanded it be 12.5 within the legal range not below it or above it. Where is the scandal here?

  41. I feel bad for Brady. All the money in the world and he is surrounding himself with the dumbest people on the planet. This whole thing would have never happened if he just said and stuck to:

    I like the balls at the lowest possible range and I would never advocate or encourage any of the ball boys handling the balls to go any lower. If they did so, they did so on their own and probably just to be the “superstar employee” who is willing to go above and beyond what is asked of them.

    Done.

  42. Kids,
    Low level or high level —aren’t we forgetting something. Nothing was ever said about ILLEGAL LEVELS!!!

    He just didn’t want them inflated to the Illegal level the Jets game had them OVER inflated for.

    There are sooo many negative assumptions
    How many times does he have to say the same thing.

    What the interview transcript does clearly show was that they were NOT GOING TO TAKE BRADY’S WORD FOR IT AND WANTED TO PUT WORDS IN HIS MOUTH.
    Brady was obviously smart enough to know this based on the “Erroneous Leaks” the league purposely put out.
    The leaks and the line of questioning show clearly what the league’s MOTIVE was from the begining

  43. Justin Tuck, worry about your own team. You guys (the giants) will be an atrocious 4-12 with that defense.

  44. ujorden says:
    Aug 4, 2015 6:29 PM
    Can we say it all together? Tom you are a liar. I have lost all respect for brady. It’s over. The commissioner may have to reduce to 2 games but he should be done for the year if not permanently. You have a contract and in it you can’t lie to your bosses. And if caught you are done.

    So I gues you just read the headline not the actual article.

    Was it to long for you?

  45. If Brady answers Judge Berman’s questions like this, he’s cooked. Anyone with half a brain or not blinded by an allegiance to their team, the Patriots, can see through Brady’s evasiveness to the cheating he’s trying to hide.

    Here you go Brady supporters:

    2015: ““I never thought about the inflation level, Lorin. I never in the history of my career, I never thought about the inflation level of a ball…. I think the irony of everything is I don’t even squeeze a football.”

    2014: “When Gronk scores — it was like his eighth touchdown of the year — he spikes the ball and he deflates the ball. I love that, because I like the deflated ball.”

  46. northeastkiller says:
    Aug 4, 2015 6:24 PM

    From transcript –

    “Q: Did you do anything unusual except your normal practice, when you are done with a cell phone, to get rid of it and have it destroyed?

    A (Brady): That’s what I do.”

    Brady FB statement – “To suggest that I destroyed a phone….is completely wrong.”

    Brady is a liar, in black and white.

    ===============================

    Way to leave out the important part of the quote hater.

  47. This whole thing has made the NFL into a joke. There is no integrity and never was. How can you say they deflated the footballs if there is nothing to prove where they were to begin with. Except one person who gave and estimate as to the psi level. Some where around 12.5. They could have been anywhere from 12 to 13 with that quality work.

    We are able to see some of the best football we have ever seen.

  48. larock31 says:
    Aug 4, 2015 6:27 PM
    And here comes the trolls…see see I told you he was cheating….Trolls=Sheep
    ——————
    And here comes the excuse makers. I believe in Brady cuz the Pats have never bent or broken the rules before….
    Excuse makers=Brainwashed

  49. Ok so The Deflator snuck the bag of balls out of the refs locker room and took them to the bathroom so he could set them at 12.5psi in one minute? Brady is GUILTY of cheating.

  50. I meant 2011:

    “When Gronk scores — it was like his eighth touchdown of the year — he spikes the ball and he deflates the ball. I love that, because I like the deflated ball.”

  51. As Florio just tweeted himself, “Yes, the NFL ran with the idea that Brady ‘destroyed’ his cell phone. But the first person to use that term in the hearing was Jeff Kessler.”

    Very interesting, considering how later Brady and Yee…God, especially Yee…yelled that Brady wouldn’t dare DREAM of destroying a phone.

  52. If the guidline for PSI pressure for a game approved ball is such a strict and rigid baseline, then why had the balls been pumped up 20% more than the high end in a game against the Jets in October, long before the Colts game?

    Where is the league’s $5 million dollar investigation into that discrepancy? Brady complained about it back then.

  53. Were the Jets ever punished for setting the balls to 16 PSI? Of course not.

    Just like how they were slapped in the wrist when they messed with the kicking balls in 2009.

    They are, you could say, serial offenders. Tripping a Dolphins player from the sideline, doing Spygate before Spygate, tampering with Darrelle Revis, multiple infractions of ball tampering..

    Why is NE getting the hammer, again?

    Oh, right. The NFL front office is filled with ex-Jets. Including Herr Goodell.

  54. Brady will not be playing the opener. People are overlooking the obvious. Politics.

    Now that a judge is involved, forget about it.

  55. Why don’t they put those two bumbling turds they hired as equipment managers on the stand?

    I don’t get why the Patriots are trying to keep them under a rock. Oh yeah, it’s because they did it.

  56. Goodell asks the same questions over and over and over again

    At this point Brady KNOWS Goodell is doing his best to get him to say SOMETHING so he can hang him out to dry

    Everything Brady said is what you’d expect from an innocent man

    Not even the Haters can suggest that a guy who was out to try to dupe the officials and break a rule would go out of his way to SHOW THE REFS THE RULEBOOK

    Which is of course the context here – it’s the OFFICIALS in a JETS GAME not coincidentally *cough Mike Kensil cough * where THE OFFICIALS CHEATED inflating to an off the charts 16PSI

    Of course this sting/setup started when John Harbaugh got fuming that Brady told HIM to read the rule book – I’m sure Roger Goodell didn’t like it to learn that Brady was schooling his own officials

    The Haters are really going to be reaching to show anything here as “proof” anything happened or Brady knew anything about it

    But I’m confident they’ll brainwash themselves with their obsession

    Honestly as a Patriots fan it’s a given that I’m interested in this. I’d be humiliated to have such a pathetic life if I had to constantly troll a message board to harass another team – but then again, I am a fan of the FOUR TIME SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS and most fans haven’t seen one in their lifetime… jealous trolling is all they have to live for

  57. Just start reading from about page 300 of the report where Kessler is interviewing Wells…..Wells is nothing but a league lackey kissing Czar Goodells you know what…..The Czar and all his lackeys will be looking for a new job very soon.

  58. smasonsmith says:
    Aug 4, 2015 6:36 PM

    From transcript – Brady admits talking to Jastremski “once or twice” in the 6 months prior to January 19 (date of AFC CG). Actually spoke 4 times, sent 12 texts that very day.
    ===
    Jastremski isn’t the deflator and it’s never been denied that Brady knew or talked to Jastremski.

    How do you expect people to take you seriously if you don’t know the difference between McNally and Jastremski?

    ———

    Do you have special glasses where he’s called that in that comment? It establishes that Brady LIED about how often he spoke to Jastremski, THAT’S ALL. Figures you don’t want to discuss that and would rather construct a strawman.

  59. Law says Brady was obligated to preserve the phone for litigation.

    See
    Zubulake v. UBS Warburg LLC, 2004 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 13574, (S.D.N.Y. 2004)
    ===
    Except that if he didn’t reasonably expect to be suspended for this – which is the NFLPA’s claim – then there was no reasonable expectation of litigation at the time the phone was wiped/destroyed. It’s not reasonable for an NFL player to assume that something that has heretofore been a $50k fine is now a suspension, and that he will have to fight that suspension in court.

    Thus: if the judge believes Goodell has acted in violation of law of shop, Brady did not have reason to expect the lawsuit because Goodell has acted unreasonably. If the judge believes Goodell has not violated law of shop, then the arbitrator’s award stands, and wether or not Brady spoiled evidence doesn’t matter because the arbitrator addressed this.

    You’re citing a case that doesn’t matter in this one because the question answered by that precedent won’t be asked.

  60. So WHY did Reiner have to ask Brady five times “Why 12.5?”

    This is a typical Prosecutor tactic – Keep asking as if it is illegal and you try to make the person to feel as if they did something wrong.

    12.5 is the LEGAL low end limit – LEGAL.

    Why would Brady have the ball boys give the Rules, HIGHLIGHTED, to the Refs????

    Because the NFL NYC(Jets) front office CHEATED by having the Refs overinflate the football to 16.0 psi for the Jets game.

    Come on FBI, it is your time to rain down on the NFL.

  61. This is what passes for professional law now-a-days? Millions of dollars to repeat the same question four times in a row?

    What a clown show.

  62. Damn…the end of the transcript lists where every word of the transcript appears in the transcript? I didn’t know that was standard. Ctrl+F for the win.

  63. Reisner’s questioning demands that TB12 admit to at or below 12.5 to match the Guilty Verdict as defined by the Jets Front Office during the Framegate investigation….

    Not sure about the rest of you folks….. I only download my contacts to a new phone and the preferred Apps. After that…. The old phone gets Zapped….. I guess Roger and the rest of the Jets Front Office keep everything intact to aid the ID thieves when they come across these old phones…….

    Keep Hating you Turkeys….

  64. flash1287 says:
    Aug 4, 2015 6:28 PM
    northeastkiller says:
    Aug 4, 2015 6:24 PM
    From transcript – Brady admits talking to Jastremski “once or twice” in the 6 months prior to January 19 (date of AFC CG). Actually spoke 4 times, sent 12 texts that very day.

    From transcript –

    “Q: Did you do anything unusual except your normal practice, when you are done with a cell phone, to get rid of it and have it destroyed?

    A (Brady): That’s what I do.”

    Brady FB statement – “To suggest that I destroyed a phone….is completely wrong.”

    Brady is a liar, in black and white.

    /-

    Yeah except you left a part out

    He said “to suggest I destroyed a phone TO HIDE SOMETHING is completely wrong”

    You people really are stupid.

    —————————————–

    Yet he was able to produce the phone he used prior to that one. Turns out it was in working condition.

    soooooo … if he destroyed it because it was normal practice, even if he “coincidentally” destroyed it on the day of an investigation where he was notified that the NFL was interested in the information on the phone, WHY WAS THE PRIOR PHONE NOT DESTROYED?

    No explanation to that was offered. Nor was anyone answered why his agent cited the iphone 6 coming out as a reason to get the new phone. The huge hole there is that the Iphone 6 had been out since the previous September.

    Whether you believe the NFL has a case or not, you don’t think it looks like he has something he desperately he wanted to hide from the NFL in a text message on that phone?

  65. This is why I hate lawyers. They try to badger people into saying something that they can twist to their own purpose. Brady answered the question. He said he didn’t like the balls hard and said that after some discussion they just decided to go with the 12.5. Obviously he prefers the balls softer than the ones inflated to 16 PSI, but his selection of the lower legal limit of 12.5 in no way implies that he would like them as soft as possible. Yet the lawyer kept on asking the same question hoping that he would say the softer the better. This is the same crap Ted Wells pulled on the referee who said as best he could recollect that he used one particular gauge, but after badgering by Wells said that he could have been wrong. Wells then takes the worst case scenario and decides that the referee’s best recollection isn’t the correct one and goes with the other story

  66. Brady testified UNDER OATH meaning if he lied it could be considered perjury. He volunteered to do it under oath. He did not have too.

    Bottom line is someone here is lying. Brady or Goodell/NFL. Forget this situation: for 15 years Brady has been a credible guy. For 8 years Goodell has been a snake. He lied to you about bountygate, concussions, Jonathan Martin, Ray rice, Adrian Peterson and many many others.

    Brady the guy with the supermodel wife and millions in the bank, just risked possible jail time by volunteering to testify under oath. I know some of you dislike Brady, but don’t be so blind! The guy is telling the truth and he just risked it all to prove it. Goodell is once again showing you his true colors.

    I also completely disagree with the categorization that he tip toed around it. He was just smart enough not to give the NFL any more leakable material

  67. tropicpurple says: “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.”

    ― Adolf Hitler & Roger Goodell
    =================================

    Fixed it for you!

    I’m laughing looking at the obsession with Brady’s confirmation he wanted them on the low end of legal… he’s been consistent about that…

    He’s also been consistent – as have other QBs – that it’s more about the FEEL of the football which is why there’s an extensive break in period

    Haters will look at the football preparation and say SEE! HE’S GUILTY!

    But they should actually READ the 11/23/13 NY Times article “Eli Manning’s Footballs Months in the Making” to learn what the Giants – and really EVERY team do (and Manning’s “Deflator” is also clear he won’t let the game day balls out of his sight – presumably including when he has to take a piss

  68. You really have to be some kind of moron to read the article and conclude that it indicates that Brady is guilty of something, lying, or being evasive. He was asked a question multiples times and answered it. He didn’t “tiptoe” around it.

    Amazingly, the real question is why does the NFL not care at all when balls are 3.5 PSI over the limit, but turn it into a federal case when they think they are under the limit but can’t prove it. it defies common sense.

  69. Tom Brady actually said he doesn’t squeeze the football???

    I’ve seen him squeeze the football on television. He does it all the time during games. Yes, he is a great quarterback and has a perfect amount of finesse in his throwing style, and it’s clear that is what he is referring to. But he most certainly DOES squeeze the darn football.

  70. I know why the NFL wants TB12 to admit to 12.5psi…… If he had sad it that…. Then the turkeys will say Gotcha because according to the Ideal Gas Law, the balls would be below the 12.5 threshold and therefore, you are playing with a deflated ball…..

  71. Lorin Reisner did her job,period.To say she baited him or did anything wrong is stupid.Brady’s attorney’s should have prepped him better.Don’t know exactly what the outcome will be,but after reading the transcript from this meeting ,it doesn’t look good for Brady.Very surprised Kessler didn’t do a better job with Brady.

  72. wannabeqb says:
    Aug 4, 2015 6:41 PM

    northeastkiller says:
    Aug 4, 2015 6:24 PM

    From transcript –

    “Q: Did you do anything unusual except your normal practice, when you are done with a cell phone, to get rid of it and have it destroyed?

    A (Brady): That’s what I do.”

    Brady FB statement – “To suggest that I destroyed a phone….is completely wrong.”

    Brady is a liar, in black and white.

    ===============================

    Way to leave out the important part of the quote hater.

    ——–

    Again, the ellipsis is there because in the comparison, that is NOT the important part of the quote, fanboy. And ALSO again, you fanboys insisted that FB statement was Brady denying he ever said he destroyed his phone, and now you want to act like it didn’t. Which is it? Which is most convenient for you NOW, fanboys?

  73. northeastkiller says:
    Aug 4, 2015 6:35 PM
    flash1287 says:
    Aug 4, 2015 6:28 PM

    Yeah except you left a part out

    He said “to suggest I destroyed a phone TO HIDE SOMETHING is completely wrong”

    You people really are stupid.

    ———-

    The reason there’s an ellipsis is because, since that FB statement was released, YOU people have insisted Brady never said he destroyed his phones because Brady said so in that statement, so there.

    He LIED in his FB statement, as much as you don’t want to admit it.

    Here it is. Where did he lie. He volunteered the info himself. He said he replaced a broken phone and it was practice to destroy the old one.

    I don’t see the LIE

    I also disagree with yesterdays narrative surrounding my cellphone. I replaced my broken Samsung phone with a new iPhone 6 AFTER my attorneys made it clear to the NFL that my actual phone device would not be subjected to investigation under ANY circumstances. As a member of a union, I was under no obligation to set a new precedent going forward, nor was I made aware at any time during Mr. Wells investigation, that failing to subject my cell phone to investigation would result in ANY discipline.

    Most importantly, I have never written, texted, emailed to anybody at anytime, anything related to football air pressure before this issue was raised at the AFC Championship game in January. To suggest that I destroyed a phone to avoid giving the NFL information it requested is completely wrong.

  74. tropicpurple says:
    Aug 4, 2015 6:32 PM

    “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” ― Adolf Hitler
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So now we know who inspired Goodell, ESPN & the haters.

  75. Nash (pg. 38): ” . . . it would be simply implausible, implausible to accept the idea that Mr. Brady didn’t have any knowledge about either Mr. Jastremski’s activities or Mr. McNally’s activities.”

    He sounds like a PFT hater. There isn’t any evidence against Brady. He wasn’t incriminated by Jastremski activities or McNally. The NFL can’t even prove those two did anything. So the NF relies solely on an”independent ” investigator who is really their outside counsel and say that finding Brady not guilty would be “implausible”.

    Do they also investigate the hard evidence that somone inflated the Patriots balls to 16.0 psi in a Jets game? Of course not. Brady and the Patriots’ are the target, not the Jets.

  76. Why would you highlight this fraction of a paragraph in a 457 page transcript? There are so many more details that make the NFL look really bad, like there is NO RULE ON THIS IN THE RULE BOOK, it is a team fine, not a player fine. The general knowledge was also compared to a player having general knowledge of a player taking PEDs in the locker room, suspend him too then right?

    Is this to get the trolls back on your side Mike?

    makes no sense to dwell on this topic of a guy repeatedly asking the same question hoping for a different answer, where if he was in court would be objected as badgering the witness

  77. So once again, ala Belicheat, we have someone that has been heralded as being exceptionally devoted to the fine details of the game, as a part of his success, now all of a sudden being lo que sera sera regarding what is among the most important aspects of throwing for an NFL QB.

    As well, other QBs are on record as suggesting the same, but Brady, Mr. Meticulous, never gave it a thought.

    Sure Tom! Sure.

  78. northeastkiller says:
    Aug 4, 2015 6:24 PM
    From transcript – Brady admits talking to Jastremski “once or twice” in the 6 months prior to January 19 (date of AFC CG). Actually spoke 4 times, sent 12 texts that very day.

    From transcript –

    “Q: Did you do anything unusual except your normal practice, when you are done with a cell phone, to get rid of it and have it destroyed?

    A (Brady): That’s what I do.”

    Brady FB statement – “To suggest that I destroyed a phone….is completely wrong.”

    Brady is a liar, in black and white.

    ——

    AHAHAHAHAHAHA. The 3 dots in there completely left out the part that destroys the very thing you are trying to “prove”. The full quote is:

    “To suggest that I destroyed the phone TO AVOID GIVING THE NFL INFORMATION IT REQUESTED (emphasis added by me), is completely wrong.”

    aw, crap, lol. You’re so bad at this, hahaha. You can’t get away with that when a 15 second google search proves your complete ineptitude.

  79. I mean, honestly – would you like someone to gather up the literally COUNTLESS amount of messages here at PFT where you insisted after that FB post that Brady never said he destroys his phones? Anyone 1) with a memory longer than a goldfish and 2) lives in the 44 non-NE states can attest to that.

  80. To paraphrase Hamlet, methinks the QB doth protest too much.

    Also, his science education is sorely wanting if he doesn’t know what PSI means. He does… drive a car, right? With tires? Don’t footballs have a PSI range stamped right on them? He’s only handled 40,000 of those in his life and never wondered what those three letters might mean?

    I’m pretty sure he’s not as dumb as a post, but he’s trying to act it. And some, apparently, are buying it.

  81. Florio…I have to disagree with your conclusion. I have no dog in this hunt. But Brady did well, IMO, and wanted the ball at 12.5. There is NOTHING indicating he wanted it lower. He preferred them at a level the ball felt good in his hand….let’s suppose he said yep, I like the ball more toward the lower allowable amount. What would be wrong with that?

    Brady held up well, the attorney was fishing for proof they never had…and still don’t have.

  82. “So if he can’t even admit the simple fact that he likes them underinflated, then what else is heblying about?”

    He likes them at 12.5 psi. That is the lower LEGAL limit. He instructed the guys who take care of the footballs that he wanted them at 12.5 psi. He gave a sheet for them to show refs stating he wants the balls at 12.5

    Where has he EVER said he wants them under the limit?

    He simply didn’t EVER want to have them filled to 16 psi, which had happened to him vs the Jets. By asking them to be filled to the lowest PSI allowed, he figured he’d be safe from ever having to try and throw blown up bricks again.

  83. bradjamesbroncositaly says:
    Aug 4, 2015 6:43 PM
    so anyone who thinks Tom Brady is guilty is a troll? Gee, for fans of a team called the Patriots, New England shills don’t appreciate unequivocal free speech to all, do they?

    There are no Pats fans on this site suggesting that trolls like yourself should be unable to troll.

    Calling you what you are, a troll, does not deny you the right to be a troll.

    So, by all means, keep on trolling.

  84. And of course the NFL later cited several examples of Brady discussing the inflation of footballs, completely the opposite of what he claimed about it being a non-issue.

    #LIAR

  85. I don’t really give a crap anymore, but Brady is a liar if he is saying he can’t tell the difference of the weight of the football. He sure knew it was pretty hard when it was 16 PSI. He could tell then! And I don’t believe anything he says about the grip of the football and comparing it with a golf club! Come on man! I actually believe every single word Mark Brunell said when this whole thing first came to light. Brady knew and the balls boys didn’t do it on their own without Brady’s knowledge. Common sense. That said. I don’t care, it’s a new season. Let him play for all I care.

  86. mattwalshvideo says:
    Aug 4, 2015 6:35 PM

    Som on WEEI when you said “I like deflated balls” were you thinking of the air pressure then?

    LIAR, CHEATER, SHADY BRADY ****
    __________________________________

    Perhaps you should listen to that entire segment…that was a joke Brady made when Dennis and Callahan (the hosts) were joking about what Gronk’s spike do to a football. I don’t think anyone seriously believes Gronk’s spikes could deflate a football.

    The liars here are Goodell, Wells and Kensil.

  87. limakey says:
    Aug 4, 2015 6:46 PM

    Didn’t Brady say he broke his phone on his face book page?

    ——–

    Yep. But here in the transcript, as much as the partisans don’t want to admit it, A) Kessler, his own attorney brings up “destroy” first and B) Brady says “that’s what I do” in response to a question directly using the Kessler-offered verbiage.

    Brady is a liar and everyone outside the 6 NE states can read the proof for themselves.

  88. Before everyone goes nuts with the “softness” of the balls, brady makes it extremely clear that that refers to the leather itself, not the pressure. As has been noted far and wide already, the difference between 12.5 and 13 is imperceptible,.

  89. This all would have been over if Brady had just divulged the fact that the balls were set to min pressure to begin with…. maybe just a little low… maybe the gauge was messed up. But instead he lied, then didn’t cooperate, then destroyed the 1 piece of evidence that could set him free.

    And somehow Pats fans think the balls were taken to the potty to “check to make sure the refs didn’t screw them again” Wouldn’t it have been reasonable to simply request the ref recheck the pressure if the ball felt harder than it had been for the “15 years” Brady had been playing the game, minus the Jets game which was 16lbs of course.

  90. justintuckrule says:
    Aug 4, 2015 6:30 PM

    Law says Brady was obligated to preserve the phone for litigation

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    This is NOT a criminal case and not even a misdemeanor.

    The Witch Hunt is over bud. But if it makes you feel important continue with your childish ways.

  91. .
    @smasonsmith

    ” How do you expect people to take your seriously if you don’t know the difference between Jastremski and McNally? ”

    McNally is ” the deflater”. Jastremski is ” dorito dink”. Together, they are the ” moron twins ” and rule the minds of millions nationwide.
    .

  92. So the balls were too hard but you have no idea how hard a ball is because you don’t squeeze them, yet the balls are too hard. Is it fair to say your a damn liar Mr. Brady!!!!! LOL

  93. Anyone that thinks Brady didn’t knowingly cheat and lie about this is delusional. Nothing in this entire investigation should surprise anyone. The conversations between the equipment guys alone tells the tale and if you think otherwise you are in denial.

  94. Seriously leave Brady alone.
    Bring down the hammer on the officials … they handled ALL the footballs on EVERY single play and you are telling me they did not know the difference?

  95. Florio: 172 pages and THIS is the golden nugget that you come up with, the fact that Brady didn’t go into detail about why he picked 12.5 psi? Pathetic. He told them he didn’t put much thought into it other than the rulebook gave a range and he picked the PSI he wanted IN THE LEGAL RANGE

    The whole question/pestering regarding WHY he picked 12.5 is ridiculous and you should’ve made the story about that, why was he continuously pestered about something he answered as if asking repeatedly would somehow change the answer.

    Regardless, I’m sure there is MUCH more interesting things in the transcript than this foolish exchange.

  96. tigerlilac says:
    Aug 4, 2015 6:31 PM
    If a player is “generally aware” that another player is taking steroids should be be suspended four games?

    Great point by Kessler.
    ___________
    Except, it’s a weak analogy. Someone else doing something to improve your own performance. It should be: if a player is generally aware that another player is putting steroids in genrally aware player’s syringe, should he be suspended?

  97. Come on. Kessler and team are smart, and knew that type of questioning was coming. They knew that if Brady answered it that way, how likely it would have been used against him. This whole mess has already been filled with headlines taking inaccurate quotes out of context, so it was obvious this could have led to bogus headlines like “Brady admits he likes footballs at lower air pressure than allowed”

    NFL PR Machine is and was in full attack mode. Since they couldn’t win that particular battle (since Brady was smart to not concede the point, despite what Florio says here), they turned to the red herring “destroyed” phone argument.

    Can’t wait until August 12th.

    #FreeBrady
    #FireGoodell
    #FireKensil
    #FirePash
    #DisbarWells

  98. Were the Jets ever punished for setting the balls to 16 PSI? Of course not.

    Just like how they were slapped in the wrist when they messed with the kicking balls in 2009.

    They are, you could say, serial offenders. Tripping a Dolphins player from the sideline, doing Spygate before Spygate, tampering with Darrelle Revis, multiple infractions of ball tampering..

    Why is NE getting the hammer, again?

    Uhh, the tripping thing came from the Pats, ESPN did an expose on that. To put it in other words for the simple people, New England first did it.

    Maybe why NE is “getting the hammer again.”

    There was also this little thing called SpyGate.

  99. The phone is irrelevant.

    The Refs do not use a phone to measure footballs.

    What is RELEVANT is, Why did the Refs OVER-Inflate the footballs to 16.0 psi which is +2.5 psi OVER the LIMIT.

    Why did the NFL disregard the ethics and professionalism in measuring & recording ALL the footballs, Colts & Patriots, before the game and at Half Time ???

    FRAME -GATE

  100. Again, the ellipsis is there because in the comparison, that is NOT the important part of the quote, fanboy.
    ===

    You only get to leave out things with an Ellipsis if they’re irrelevant.

  101. “Brady was too smart to let a lawyer lead him into a trap”
    —-
    Too smart?? No. Brady has been coached by his lawyers to answer the question in this way. The difference is that Brady’s lawyers feel differently about dancing around questions than the author of this article.

    Brady apparently doesn’t even know what PSI means. So, no, we’re not going to call him “too smart” for anything at this point.

  102. northeastkiller says:
    Aug 4, 2015 6:24 PM
    “Q: Did you do anything unusual except your normal practice, when you are done with a cell phone, to get rid of it and have it destroyed?

    A (Brady): That’s what I do.”

    Brady FB statement – “To suggest that I destroyed a phone….is completely wrong.”

    Brady is a liar, in black and white.
    ———————————————-

    Alert! Alert! NFL League Office personnel are now posting!

    Seriously, you just yada, yada, yada’ed his statement and purposefully left out the relevant part with an ellipsis.

    Here is Brady’s full quote:”To suggest that I destroyed a phone to avoid giving the NFL information it requested is completely wrong.”

  103. It sounds to me like his lawyers told him not to ever concede that he likes the balls inflated at 12.5 because it could ruin their case.

    His conduct in court makes me distrust him.

  104. justintuckrule says:
    Aug 4, 2015 6:30 PM
    Law says Brady was obligated to preserve the phone for litigation.

    See
    Zubulake v. UBS Warburg LLC, 2004 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 13574, (S.D.N.Y. 2004)

    He better settle.

    ——————————-

    Interesting case if it applies and the NFL uses it.

  105. Florio…I have to disagree with your conclusion. I have no dog in this hunt. But Brady did well, IMO, and wanted the ball at 12.5. There is NOTHING indicating he wanted it lower. He preferred them at a level the ball felt good in his hand….let’s suppose he said yep, I like the ball more toward the lower allowable amount. What would be wrong with that?

    Brady held up well, the attorney was fishing for proof they never had…and still don’t have.

    Florio can answer directly, but I don’t think that was his point.

    As I read it, his point was that Brady’s now on record as simply and completely arbitrarily having pulled 12.5 out of his sphincter.

    For a player so devoted to details, to the extent that he’s been acclaimed as arguably the NFL QB’s most detail-oriented QB ever, to suggest that the psi was little more than an arbitrary and simple afterthought, well, it takes the most gullible to actually believe something like that.

  106. key2heat says:
    Aug 4, 2015 6:22 PM
    anybody remember the radio interview brady did when he said he like his footballs as soft as possible. 2011 I think
    _____________________________
    I do not remember such an interview. I’d just want to point out that soft can have more than 1 meaning in this case – it could be in regards to the pressure of the ball, but also could be in reference to the actual feel of the leather.

    From what I understand the equipment staff rubs the balls down a whole lot to get that feel just right – so I think it is at least just as likely that Brady prefers the feel of the leather to be soft like an old broken in wallet rather than hard like a new, cheep pair of work-shoes.

  107. Marian, in all fairness, I think Brady’s lawyer did prep him. I think Brady does things his way. I don’t blame his lawyer if Brady didn’t take his advice.

  108. “The truth could be that Brady simply allowed him competitive nature take over during the questioning, which caused him to fight as hard as he could to avoid conceding a point that could be used against him. ”

    Really? It looks to me like Reisner was badgering him to get an answer. How many times did Reisner ask him and how many times did Reisner suggest his own answer?

    In all honesty, does it make Brady look bad when someone keeps trying to put words in his mouth?

  109. From transcript – Brady admits talking to Jastremski “once or twice” in the 6 months prior to January 19 (date of AFC CG). Actually spoke 4 times, sent 12 texts that very day.
    ===
    Are you dumb? Prior to January 19th is not on January 19th.

    Let’s assume the following:

    You beat your wife twice in the past six months, then she really ticks you off and you beat her four times today. When the cops ask her if you’ve beaten her prior to today, is she lying she says, “Yes twice.”

  110. mrcmos says:
    Aug 4, 2015 6:34 PM
    Doesn’t Know what PSI means????

    A 4th grader knows what PSI means!
    Screw you Brady!

    GUILTY!!!
    ___________________________________
    Well, to be fair, a 5th grader understands at least the principle of the Ideal Gas Law, if not the actual terminology and formula. Nobody ever claimed Brady was brilliant at anything other than football and apparently nobody in the NFL headquarters is at all competent at anything other than orchestrating PR smear campaigns and raking in endorsement dough. Lots of stupid to go around here.

  111. what is so hard to understand?

    he hated the 16 psi illegal balloon balls he had to play with in the Jets game, so he asked future balls to be set at a LEGAL pressure as far away froim where they were in the Jets game.

    A LEGAL PRESSURE.

    How is that not clear?

  112. Just read to page 78,and Brady is in BIG trouble.For him to say he didn’t even know McNally,and then come up with some lame excuse for always handing out jersey’s and the like to people he doesn’t know – How does that work Brady ???

  113. I think he came across as honest and annoyed that she was fishing for an answer that wasn’t there. He probably did pick the bottom number just because it was a number staring him in the face and it is hard to grossly over inflate something when you’re aiming low…

  114. So Brady gets phones for free.

    Kensil is already calling the IRS as we speak to make sure they were declared lol

  115. The part where Wells admits he told Vrady he didn’t need the phone is priceless. Anyone ever notice that whenever there is a scandal the scumbag Jets are the root of it? Tripping, spying, lying, tampering….

  116. smasonsmith says:
    Aug 4, 2015 7:11 PM

    Again, the ellipsis is there because in the comparison, that is NOT the important part of the quote, fanboy.
    ===

    You only get to leave out things with an Ellipsis if they’re irrelevant.

    ———

    And that was, as by Pats’ fans OWN ACCOUNTS FOR DAYS ON THIS SITE the Brady FB statement meant that Brady never ever said “destroy.”

    He affirmed that he destroys his phone with “That’s what I do.” Right there, black and white, clear as crystal.

    And now all you fanboys are left to play oblivious to that simple fact.

  117. Wow Patriots fans….. When your team is accused of cheating for 4 years and has already been caught before you still deny it.. New England is a very shady organization with biased fans.

    When you dance around a question and don’t give a direct answer you already look guilty.

    If he has nothing to hide he would give direct answers and most likely his phone would still be in one piece.

    I love when Brady claims he didn’t even know what PSI stood for. Like basic math left him awhile ago or his cars don’t have tires that need to be inflated to a certain PSI… lol… okay Brady…

  118. northeastkiller says:
    Aug 4, 2015 6:47 PM
    smasonsmith says:
    Aug 4, 2015 6:36 PM

    From transcript – Brady admits talking to Jastremski “once or twice” in the 6 months prior to January 19 (date of AFC CG). Actually spoke 4 times, sent 12 texts that very day.
    ===
    Jastremski isn’t the deflator and it’s never been denied that Brady knew or talked to Jastremski.

    How do you expect people to take you seriously if you don’t know the difference between McNally and Jastremski?

    ———

    Do you have special glasses where he’s called that in that comment? It establishes that Brady LIED about how often he spoke to Jastremski, THAT’S ALL. Figures you don’t want to discuss that and would rather construct a strawman.

    ———————————

    And this establishes that Brady lied how? He recalled 1 or 2 times in the past 6 months when the actual number was 4. How is this lying? Are you going to get upset if he says he thinks he had scrambled eggs on January 19th when someone else says they were over easy?

  119. smasonsmith says:
    Aug 4, 2015 7:17 PM

    From transcript – Brady admits talking to Jastremski “once or twice” in the 6 months prior to January 19 (date of AFC CG). Actually spoke 4 times, sent 12 texts that very day.
    ===
    Are you dumb? Prior to January 19th is not on January 19th.

    Let’s assume the following:

    You beat your wife twice in the past six months, then she really ticks you off and you beat her four times today. When the cops ask her if you’ve beaten her prior to today, is she lying she says, “Yes twice.”

    ————

    Are you oblivious? Well, yeah, the answer to that is YES, as “Brady said he talked to a guy once or twice in six months, phone records show he talked to him repeatedly as soon as it was a problem for him” cooks his goose.

  120. Brady is on record where he gave his phone to “his assistant” to be disposed.

    Because everyone knows that if you want to get rid of evidence or anything incriminating you trust your “assistant” to do it. 🙂

    #Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

  121. truthfactory says:
    Aug 4, 2015 6:28 PM
    So if he can’t even admit the simple fact that he likes them underinflated, then what else is heblying about?

    Mark Brunel and Jerome Bettis both could tell the difference immediately on ESPN and he claims he cannot?? What a joke.
    ——————————–
    That’s bull. Countless pros, have been given balls at various ranges from 10.5 to 13.5 and the difference was imperceptible.
    If you buy any crap from ESPN at this point you lose all credibility with your comments.

  122. eagleswin says:
    Aug 4, 2015 7:13 PM
    justintuckrule says:
    Aug 4, 2015 6:30 PM
    Law says Brady was obligated to preserve the phone for litigation.

    See
    Zubulake v. UBS Warburg LLC, 2004 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 13574, (S.D.N.Y. 2004)

    He better settle.

    ——————————-

    Interesting case if it applies and the NFL uses it.

    ——————————-

    Good luck with trying for spoliation when you have Ted Wells recorded during his defense of the report to the media saying he didn’t need the phone. He even writes it in the Wells report.

  123. God it’s comical watching all the pats homers holding on to any last straw they can!!! It’s been the same since the beginning they claim Brady’s innocence, say everyone is out to get them, Goodell is a jets fan blah blah blah. Then news breaks showing Brady looking guilty as hell and they go to bashing others teams and claiming hatred and jealousy and telling us all about the now tainted superbowls they have. It’s really is good stuff from the outside looking in at the blind/dumb pats homers. #TAINTRIOTS

  124. northeastkiller says:
    Aug 4, 2015 7:00 PM
    limakey says:
    Aug 4, 2015 6:46 PM

    Didn’t Brady say he broke his phone on his face book page?

    ——–

    Yep. But here in the transcript, as much as the partisans don’t want to admit it, A) Kessler, his own attorney brings up “destroy” first and B) Brady says “that’s what I do” in response to a question directly using the Kessler-offered verbiage.

    Brady is a liar and everyone outside the 6 NE states can read the proof for themselves.

    —-

    Two sports law attorneys are tweeting about this. Funny not one of them mentioned Brady lied.

    Here is the face book post. Please show us the lie
    Here it is. Where did he lie. He volunteered the info himself. He said he replaced a broken phone and it was practice to destroy the old one.

    I don’t see the LIE

    I also disagree with yesterdays narrative surrounding my cellphone. I replaced my broken Samsung phone with a new iPhone 6 AFTER my attorneys made it clear to the NFL that my actual phone device would not be subjected to investigation under ANY circumstances. As a member of a union, I was under no obligation to set a new precedent going forward, nor was I made aware at any time during Mr. Wells investigation, that failing to subject my cell phone to investigation would result in ANY discipline.

    Most importantly, I have never written, texted, emailed to anybody at anytime, anything related to football air pressure before this issue was raised at the AFC Championship game in January. To suggest that I destroyed a phone to avoid giving the NFL information it requested is completely wrong.

  125. key2heat says:
    Aug 4, 2015 6:22 PM

    anybody remember the radio interview brady did when he said he like his footballs as soft as possible. 2011 I think

    ______________________________

    Brady was quite clear in his testimony that he likes the LEATHER to be soft (like a broken-in baseball glove), not that he likes the pressure to make the ball soft.

  126. Again, the ellipsis is there because in the comparison, that is NOT the important part of the quote, fanboy.
    ===

    You only get to leave out things with an Ellipsis if they’re irrelevant.

    ———

    And that was, as by Pats’ fans OWN ACCOUNTS FOR DAYS ON THIS SITE the Brady FB statement meant that Brady never ever said “destroy.”

    He affirmed that he destroys his phone with “That’s what I do.” Right there, black and white, clear as crystal.

    And now all you fanboys are left to play oblivious to that simple fact.
    ===
    So post the full quote. Go ahead. Don’t ellipsis things out.

    Here’s the rule of thumb for proper ellipsis usage: if you change the meaning, you’re doing it wrong.

    Post the full quotes and compare them. Dare you!

  127. Florio’s been on your guys’ side for months, he posts one article pointing out that Brady looks crappy dancing around where 12.5 came from, and it’s waaaaaaaaah, you’re biased too. Priceless.

  128. marianfl24 says:
    Aug 4, 2015 7:18 PM
    Just read to page 78,and Brady is in BIG trouble.For him to say he didn’t even know McNally,and then come up with some lame excuse for always handing out jersey’s and the like to people he doesn’t know – How does that work Brady ???
    —————————

    How does that work? Easy.He actually knows Jim McNally, but knew him by what he thought was his name “Burt”. TB actually misheard McNally’s nickname which is “Bird”.

    Why did he give him a shirt? It has been reported that employees ask him to sign things all the time and he rarely refuses.

    Do you know the names of everyone you work with (assuming you work in a company of maybe 50 or so)? Yeah. OK. What are their last names?

  129. It will be interesting to see how the league tries to spin this. They are taking an absolute beating the last week and it’s hysterical. Time to clean up the front office!

  130. justintuckrule says: Law says Brady was obligated to preserve the phone for litigation. See Zubulake v. UBS Warburg LLC, 2004 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 13574, (S.D.N.Y. 2004)

    ==================

    It pains me to say this, but this lawyer speaks with the voice of reason, precedent and (forgive the pun) conviction.

  131. The reason why Brady is dancing around a direct question is because he has always claimed that he couldn’t tell the difference. I bet every single qb has experimented with balls at different measures. To suggest that he just selected this number without experimentin is just beyond reason. Dance on Tom.

  132. Mike, Brady was basically trying to say it was an arbitrary decision. He found out the ball was usually around 12.6 or so, and so he told Jastremski just to set it around 12.5.

    It’s not unreasonable that this was arbitrary. He didn’t feel like it mattered too much, and 12.6 worked for him in the past. This is consistent with Brady’s statement that he never squeezed the balls — it was the feel that was more important to him.

  133. Interesting case if it applies and the NFL uses it.
    ===
    It’s not applicable. A reasonable man wouldn’t expect that he’d be forced to sue when his trade association’s arbitrator suspends him in contravention of all precedent. It’s not reasonable expect him to anticipate the irrationality of others.

    Conversely, if the trade association’s arbitrator was correct to suspend him and they addressed the spoilation, then the point is moot, as it has already been addressed.

    So no: that case isn’t interesting here, because it answers a question that will not be asked.

  134. I feel sorry for this country’s jury pools when so many here cannot see Brady is being evasive. And the reason someone is evasive is to hide the truth.

  135. ***Mark Brunel and Jerome Bettis both could tell the difference immediately on ESPN and he claims he cannot?? What a joke.***

    So they can honestly tell the difference between 12.4 (illegal) and 12.5 (legal)???? I seriously doubt that, especially in the 2-3 seconds a QB has to hold the ball.

  136. Are you oblivious? Well, yeah, the answer to that is YES, as “Brady said he talked to a guy once or twice in six months, phone records show he talked to him repeatedly as soon as it was a problem for him” cooks his goose.
    ===
    What was the question?

    Was it: “Did you talk to him prior to dd-MMM-YYYY?”

    Or was it: “Do you talk to him?”

  137. Again, the ellipsis is there because in the comparison, that is NOT the important part of the quote, fanboy.
    ===

    You only get to leave out things with an Ellipsis if they’re irrelevant.

    ———

    And that was, as by Pats’ fans OWN ACCOUNTS FOR DAYS ON THIS SITE the Brady FB statement meant that Brady never ever said “destroy.”

    He affirmed that he destroys his phone with “That’s what I do.” Right there, black and white, clear as crystal.

    And now all you fanboys are left to play oblivious to that simple fact.
    ===
    So post the full quote. Go ahead. Don’t ellipsis things out.

    Here’s the rule of thumb for proper ellipsis usage: if you change the meaning, you’re doing it wrong.

    Post the full quotes and compare them. Dare you!

    —————-

    Aaaaaaaaaaagain. YOU PATRIOTS FANS HAVE INSISTED FOR DAYS ON THIS WEBSITE THAT BRADY NEVER SAID DESTROY AND CITED HIS FACEBOOK POST.

    In the transcript, TOM BRADY SAYS “that’s what I do” to a question using the Kessler-provided verbiage “destroy.”

    Either he’s a liar, or YOU have been liars for insisting over and over and over again that Brady never said destroy. Which is it, fanboy?

  138. Florio’s been on your guys’ side for months, he posts one article pointing out that Brady looks crappy dancing around where 12.5 came from, and it’s waaaaaaaaah, you’re biased too. Priceless.
    ===
    And if you asked him, he still probably thinks that it should be a fine and no suspension, because there’s no deflation, no standards, and no precedent.

  139. johnodocks says:
    Aug 4, 2015 6:41 PM
    If Brady answers Judge Berman’s questions like this, he’s cooked. Anyone with half a brain or not blinded by an allegiance to their team, the Patriots, can see through Brady’s evasiveness to the cheating he’s trying to hide.

    Here you go Brady supporters:

    2015: ““I never thought about the inflation level, Lorin. I never in the history of my career, I never thought about the inflation level of a ball…. I think the irony of everything is I don’t even squeeze a football.”

    2014: “When Gronk scores — it was like his eighth touchdown of the year — he spikes the ball and he deflates the ball. I love that, because I like the deflated ball.”
    *************************************************
    I think that comment about liking the deflated ball was kind of the same thing as saying he likes Gronk scoring touchdowns.

  140. nepatriot1 says:
    Aug 4, 2015 7:25 PM

    truthfactory says:
    Aug 4, 2015 6:28 PM
    So if he can’t even admit the simple fact that he likes them underinflated, then what else is heblying about?

    Mark Brunel and Jerome Bettis both could tell the difference immediately on ESPN and he claims he cannot?? What a joke.
    ——————————–
    That’s bull. Countless pros, have been given balls at various ranges from 10.5 to 13.5 and the difference was imperceptible.
    If you buy any crap from ESPN at this point you lose all credibility with your comments.

    ———–

    Ha, the OP mentions specific examples, and you just go with “countless pros.” Shows how shaky that is.

    I’ll give him another name – Drew Brees went on “Conan” toward the beginning of this and Conan provided him three footballs to squeeze, feel, etc. – underinflated, just right, overinflated. Brees correctly identified all three in 2 seconds.

  141. 12.5 is legal.

    Having your equipment manager bring them into the bathroom under the guise of using a fictitious urinal and deflating them further is cheating.

    Hope that helps.

    Deflat*r
    Patri*ts
    T*m

    Cheers

  142. ….Or, maybe he just was recounting the horrible experience with the 16psi balls against the Jets, and decided he wanted it, at that moment, the furthest away from 16psi that’s legally possible, thus initially concluding on 12.5psi — but in practice never really actually measured them before each game and went by feel.

    Is there no way his comments about it make any sense? It seems 100% of the matter is the predisposition to believe or distrust his words, and has nothing to do with whether what he’s saying about himself is actually plausible.

  143. What Brady said on FB: “Most importantly, I have never written, texted, emailed to anybody at anytime, anything related to football air pressure before this issue was raised at the AFC Championship game in January.”

    What NEkiller thinks/wishes Brady said on FB: “Most importantly, I have never written, texted, emailed to anybody at anytime, anything related to football air pressure…”

    They’re not the same, brah.

  144. Tee hee 🙂 It’s clear as day Patriot Hater is running on fumes and so desperate to spin this their way 🙂

    #WeWHOOPYouFairAndSquare
    #JustLikeYouDeserve
    #TineToFindANewExcuse

    🙂

  145. ALL HAIL TOM BRADY THE GREATEST QUARTERBACK OF ALL TIME AND THE KING OF THE NFL.

    ALL INFERIORS WILL BOW TO HIS GREATNESS.

    🙂

  146. I’ll give him another name – Drew Brees went on “Conan” toward the beginning of this and Conan provided him three footballs to squeeze, feel, etc. – underinflated, just right, overinflated. Brees correctly identified all three in 2 seconds.
    ===
    That’s nice.

    Was he doing it while dropping back, making reads, and throwing that ball or handing it off to an audience member?

    Charm City. Such an inferiority complex to everywhere…

  147. It sounded to me like the lawyer just didn’t like his answer.

    Ball at 16 sucked, we looked up the rule… 12.5-13.5 I picked 12.5 because I didn’t want it to feel like that ball pumped up to 16.

    That’s how I interpret what Brady is saying.

  148. smasonsmith says:
    Aug 4, 2015 7:47 PM

    What Brady said on FB: “Most importantly, I have never written, texted, emailed to anybody at anytime, anything related to football air pressure before this issue was raised at the AFC Championship game in January.”

    What NEkiller thinks/wishes Brady said on FB: “Most importantly, I have never written, texted, emailed to anybody at anytime, anything related to football air pressure…”

    They’re not the same, brah.

    ———–

    Either Brady’s a liar or the Pats fanbase have been liars insisting for days that Brady’s FB statement said he never said destroy, still haven’t answered, brah. Which is it, brah.

    ——————

    Florio’s been on your guys’ side for months, he posts one article pointing out that Brady looks crappy dancing around where 12.5 came from, and it’s waaaaaaaaah, you’re biased too. Priceless.
    ===
    And if you asked him, he still probably thinks that it should be a fine and no suspension, because there’s no deflation, no standards, and no precedent.

    ———-

    And yet another example of ducking the point by the same guy – Pats fans are in this thread bitching about Florio, an ardent supporter FOR MONTHS, after ONE article isn’t 100% pro-Brady.

    Brah.

  149. She asked the same question 9 times and he answered it. She was just badgering him until he got angry. He answered the question the first time – move on. 12.5 psi is within the limits – what’s the problem? That’s why everyone hates lawyers.

  150. What don’t you trolls and haters get about this?

    – He likes his footballs extremely soft
    – The ‘Deflator’ needed to lose weight
    – He destroyed his cell phone because he got a new one
    – The two fired guys didn’t do anything wrong
    – Brady doesn’t know anything about PSI
    – His preferred PSI is 12.5

    Innocent. HATERS.

  151. @ Mike Florio

    It might be worthwhile (if your plan is to provide the actual testimony along with a running commentary) to identify all the speakers as to who they represent and why they are speaking. A majority of interested readers will probably know who Kessler is and why he’s there, but it does no harm to mention it at least once. In the case of Reisner, readers who do not spend their time fraternizing with high-paid lawyers would benefit from knowing and (possibly) understanding Reisner’s connection to the Wells team and the League Office.

    Also, it would be good to mention that Brady was voluntarily sworn in under oath before his testimony and that while you may have coached your witnesses to readily concede a point to an aggressive interrogator, not every lawyer would espouse that strategy, and not every arbitrator (not there ever was one in this case) would appreciate an interrogator asking the same question over and over and over and over and over again simply to get a desired answer.

  152. You guys fighting Zubulake are funny.

    Here’s the deal.

    1) It doesn’t matter if Wells said, “he doesn’t need the phone.” The law is clear. If litigation is reasonably anticipated (c’mon…we were all talking about this lawsuit before Wells was even in the picture!), then Brady MUST preserve the phone.

    2) Doesn’t matter if this is a criminal matter or not. In fact, this issue arises more in civil cases (companies destroying e-mails in breach of contract cases)

    3) “Brady not obligated to turn over personal property.” Nobody is talking about his obligation to DISCLOSE. He had an obligation to PRESERVE. Huge difference. He can always object to disclosure later.

    What else??

    Here’s why I say he should settle. If he doesn’t, the NFL has an argument that it is entitled to what is called an “adverse inference.” This rule discourages people from destroying evidence. An adverse inference lets the NFL tell a jury that it can “assume the worst” of what was in those texts. That right there will doom his defense. This is why is said he should settle.

  153. Brady in 2006

    Pssssssssssst

    “The thing is, every quarterback likes it a little bit different,” Brady said. “Some like them blown up a little bit more, some like them a little more thin, some like them a little more new, some like them really broken in.”

  154. And yet another example of ducking the point by the same guy – Pats fans are in this thread bitching about Florio, an ardent supporter FOR MONTHS, after ONE article isn’t 100% pro-Brady.
    ===
    People bitch because people are people, and people are bored.

    Welcome to the Internet.

  155. Having your equipment manager bring them into the bathroom under the guise of using a fictitious urinal and deflating them further is cheating.
    ===
    Prove it happened.

    OOOPS! The NFL destroyed the evidence.

  156. Aaaaaaaaaaagain. YOU PATRIOTS FANS HAVE INSISTED FOR DAYS ON THIS WEBSITE THAT BRADY NEVER SAID DESTROY AND CITED HIS FACEBOOK POST.

    In the transcript, TOM BRADY SAYS “that’s what I do” to a question using the Kessler-provided verbiage “destroy.”
    ===
    “I did not destroy my phone…” is not the same as “I did not destroy my phone to hide evidence from the NFL.”

    You don’t get to use ellipsis if it changes the meaning of the quote.

  157. Florio:
    If that had happened in a courtroom to a client of yours, would you have objected because your client had already answered the question?

    Thanks!

  158. The problem is Brady trying to hard to protect his image. He wanted the ball on the lower range. That’s why he said 12.5 because he had researched it. He hated the ball very hard. I hate it that way too. It tends to slip. But instead of just saying that he’s trying to act like “gee I don’t know why I picked that number.”

    Again and again I’ve said it. He’s like a person who speeds off turns a corner when he sees a cop but he was only 3 mph over the limit. Then parks in front of the house and act shocked the cops show up pistols drawn.

  159. Mike? How many times does a lawyer need to be told the same answer before he moves on? To me this is Brady answering and sticking to it. He picked 12.5. That’s legal for god’s sake. They couldn’t prove he did it, now they are trying to prove he did wrong even when he was within legal limits. This is just plain crazy. I know your a lawyer and it pisses you off if the person you’re cross examining won’t say what you want to hear but why on earth should he? They chose 12.5. Sorry everyone but that was within the rules. Next question.

  160. Brady saying he never cared about the PSI in the footballs is like saying he doesn’t care if they have good grip or not. Or like a WR saying he doesn’t pay any attention to the gloves he uses. IT’s BULL !

    Don’t forget Pats fans, Goodell already did you a solid by burning the Spygate tapes. Because if there was really nothing on them that was that bad why not release them to the public to back that fact up ?

  161. What’s the big deal? If Brady likes a softer ball he’s going to have it set to 12.5. Anybody would do that. He should have just said so.

  162. steelcurtainn says:
    Aug 4, 2015 8:06 PM

    Tom Shady Deflady cant handle the truth!
    ————————————————
    Obviously Lorin Reisner couldn’t and badgered him mercilessly. No proof of tampering, Tom tells her 9 times they chose 12.5. Why? Because he chose the lowest ALLOWABLE psi so as not to get screwed by the refs again. Seems pretty obvious but since when did common sense ever creep into this fiasco?

  163. Just finished reading Brady Q&A. Reisner is a piece of work, and worth every penny from an NFL perspective. He’s not really asking questions, he’s making narrative statements framed as questions, for the record of course. I think Brady held up very well, even in printed form which often looks bad. He also comes off as angry at times. Innocent people get angry when they are being accused. I do. One meme destroyed here: Brady didn’t write the 2006 rule change proposal. It was Peyton..Manning. We knew it was a QB team effort but Peyton as the lead guy adds context that has been missing from virtually every anti-Brady media story.

  164. 1) It doesn’t matter if Wells said, “he doesn’t need the phone.” The law is clear. If litigation is reasonably anticipated (c’mon…we were all talking about this lawsuit before Wells was even in the picture!), then Brady MUST preserve the phone.
    ===
    Again: the NFLPA’s claim is that reasonable expectation here was a fine, not a suspension. A member is not required to anticipate the NFL’s irrational behavior.

    As for adverse inference: it’s already been made by Wells and Goodell – in contravention of the CBA. That’s kinda why we’re here.

  165. I find it very hard to believe that a man whose expertise is handling a football, and who grew up with a football, a hand pump and a needle, doesn’t know what PSI is.

  166. Turns out we’ve all wasted 7 months, the NFL has wasted millions of dollars, and a man’s reputation and life have been shredded–all because he likes to throw a football in the legal range nearest his specifications.

    We should all collectively be proud of ourselves.

  167. Mike, you don’t concede to something that isn’t true. You don’t give those goons an inch. As a lawyer how could you suggest otherwise?

    #TB12BestEvah

    #TuthWillPrevail

  168. Imodan, he never gives a direct answer. And let’s be fair, lawyers, regardless of the case always frame the same question several times, especially when the person is obviously trying to avoid a direct, simple question. Brady got cute, he shut him down.

  169. “Ummmm, I don’t know what you mean?” LOL , that’s adorable and sounds like one of my kids when they get caught trying to snatch a cookie out of the cookie jar. Oh well………….it’s all fun & games until someone puts out an eye from an errant cell phone being destroyed !!

  170. Goodell should have kept his mouth shut. In this sequence he is grasping at straws. He wants Brady to be guilty.
    COMMISSIONER GOODELL: Your 1, 2, 3, right?
    12 THE WITNESS: Yes.
    13 COMMISSIONER GOODELL: That’s your plausible
    14 assumptions?
    15 THE WITNESS: Yeah, just saying that there
    16 was a greater —
    17 COMMISSIONER GOODELL: What about dry time?
    18 THE WITNESS: Yes, and what if there is a
    19 moisture effect.
    20 COMMISSIONER GOODELL: But that’s a what-if,
    21 right?
    22 THE WITNESS: Yes, it is a what-if, yes, sir.

  171. Tiptoed? How about refused to get baited and badgered. It’s clear that the interrogator is waiting for Brady to trip. Once Brady concedes that he wants the ball on the lower end because he wants it soft you know they will say aha! You want it under deflated. It’s well known that Brady, like he said, go for the feel of the ball like a ” used glove”. That was his point when he and the other QBs got the rule for them to have their own footballs when they travel. The interrogator make it appear that 12.5 is illegal. He did not know prior to that 16 psi game the setting of the psi on the balls they use. Bottom line he was the one who wanted the referee to do his job. He did not asked the ball boys to break the rule. QBs are very particular about the feel of the footballs and the preparation. That explains why Brady communicated with the ball boy often going to the SB also to figure out why the balls were seriously deflated which the NFL wanted us to believe. Evidently Brady believed too. Then Goodell tells us Brady must be guilty because he is as baffled as we are.

  172. “Q. Did you find any errors in Exponent’s
    21 conversion work?
    22 A. Yeah, yes. They made a very basic mistake.
    23 They have the master gauge conversion adjustment,
    24 and they converted the halftime readings for the
    25 master gauge conversion, but they did not convertthe starting values for the master gauge conversion.
    (…)
    Q. Was there evidence before Exponent that the
    2 logo gauge being used for a pre-game measurement was
    3 a plausible possibility here?
    4 A. Yes.
    5 Q. Let’s go to the next slide. And were you
    6 able to correct for that inconsistency that you
    7 described in Exponent’s master gauge conversion?
    8 A. Yes. Now, the effective starting value is
    9 not 12.5, it’s 12.17.
    10 Q. How do you get the 12.17?
    11 A. You apply the master gauge conversion
    12 consistently to both halftime measurements, as well
    13 as the starting value.
    14 Q. Okay. And let’s go to the next slide. And
    15 what is the impact of making that correction on the
    16 results?
    17 A. Now eight of the Patriots’ balls are above
    18 the critical threshold predicted by Exponent, three
    19 are below.”

    Exculpatory, and completely ignored. Don Yee was right, a sham.

  173. clickablecontent says:
    Aug 4, 2015 8:40 PM
    I find it very hard to believe that a man whose expertise is handling a football, and who grew up with a football, a hand pump and a needle, doesn’t know what PSI is.

    —————

    He likes the ball to be inflated but not too inflated. You don’t need to know PSI to be a football player. Have you ever in your life tested PSI in anything other than tires? In Basketball you just drop the ball from and outstretched arm and if it bounces back its good. Why complicate a simple sport with an air measurement. It’s so crazy to me. Get back to basics. Just have the officials squeeze the ball each play and change it out if it seems soft. Who cares about the PSI.

  174. Throughout this fiasco, it has been rumor, innuendo, conjecture, and circumstantial drival that has driven the witch hunt. DO you think perhaps Brady has caught on? As you say….if he says “I like 12.5…” what is the next logical step….as far as the judge/jury/executioner/commissioner is concerned? Why give Goodell what he needs to “leak” misinformation to the public to back up his hatchet job?

  175. anyone reading this transcript who doesnt conclude that Brady is an evasive liar is a mindless groupie without one molecule of critical thinking ability

  176. ikeclanton says:
    Aug 4, 2015 8:43 PM
    Turns out we’ve all wasted 7 months, the NFL has wasted millions of dollars, and a man’s reputation and life have been shredded–all because he likes to throw a football in the legal range nearest his specifications.

    _______________________________________

    the NFL didnt deliberately destroy evidence, Brady did.

  177. “No, we picked 12.5 because that was — I don’t know why we picked 12.5.”

    Wait, WHAT?

    You don’t know why on earth you’d choose that number? Seriously? You’re clueless about this one, Tom? You just arrived at that number randomly and for no reason?

    And you wonder why outside New England we’ve had our eyebrows raised about this one all along.

  178. Wow, what a liar. Didn’t know what ‘psi’ meant before all this happened? Hahaha, yeah right. Dude’s completely guilty and a horrible liar.

  179. So a $tupid league or Wells lawyer asks Brady why he picked a legal pressure. I wonder what wrong answer Brady could possibly provide. And what is worse, ball suitability for play has nothing to do with why a legal pressure was preferred. Is this too simple to be understood?

    All 32 owners should be unveiling Plan B any day now.

  180. The line of questioning and the answers–in context–are silly too. Clearly, Brady has always liked a softer ball and the Pat’s ball preparation was designed to keep them from blatantly breaking the rules. Coach already told us they prep them in a way (put hot air into them, perhaps?) that makes them drop in pressure “once they reach equilibrium.” So my favorite QB isn’t being totally honest about his knowledge of the rules. The questions, on the other hand, “Why do you prefer the lower end of the legal limit?” are the stupidest form of gotcha. So the real question is this: did the Pats go to plan B and have someone stick a needle in the ball? The Ideal Gas Law says no. But a guy taking balls into the bathroom just before the game looks mighty shady. And as far as the federal case goes, I think ball pressure is the last thing the judge cares about. Was the investigation shoddy? You bet. Are the Pats being singled out? You bet. Have the Pats brought this on themselves by being so arrogant and successful? You bet. Are they cheaters?

    Well, folks are entitled to their opinions, but I’ve read enough about equipment violations and pumped in crowd noise and texting scandals and PED usage and salary cap violations to know that in a league full of talent football games are won by the teams that prepare well and execute on the field. That’s where the integrity of the game is, and the league’s inability to govern itself is its shame. It’s time to put away the egos, give teams reasonable penalties for their rules violations and and stop all the spin.

  181. It’s outrageous that Lorin Reisner is doing any questioning here. He is part from the firm that did the “independent” Wells report. He represents them, not the NFL.

  182. Dance Tommy dance!

    He was asked one simple question: “why did you pick 12.5 PSI?”

    “Well because… I er… no uh… ummmm… well you see… I can tell you why… no wait I can’t… wait, I don’t understand the question!”

    One two three KICK! And turn! And one two three KICK! And spin!

    Seriously, the late great Fred Astaire couldn’t have danced around this any better.

  183. Brady said it over and over, it’s about feel. That’s why they didn’t use the conditioner of the footballs when it looked like rain. The footballs became too slippery.

    After reading the transcript, what a cluster. How these clowns control a multi billion dollar business is beyond me. How did Troy Vincent get a job?

  184. This pathetic interrogation is what PFT is saying he was “tiptoeing” around the issue. Weak sauce man. Drop the damn suspension already Goodell. You just look like a fool now.

  185. Brady didn’t destroy the phone. The person who gives him the new phone does, his assistant. He explained why. I don’t blame him. Someone would probably sell it to TMZ.

  186. Smason- you And Brady must have went to the same school of ignoring fact and just blabbing what you think the facts should be. I just gave you the law and you blankety ignored it. You wonder why the “haters” don’t take you guys seriously.

    For the 10th time. He was legally required to preserve the phone. End of story. No amount of your fanboi deflection can change that.

  187. i802cool says:
    Aug 4, 2015 8:31 PM
    Just finished reading Brady Q&A. Reisner is a piece of work, and worth every penny from an NFL perspective. He’s not really asking questions, he’s making narrative statements framed as questions, for the record of course. I think Brady held up very well, even in printed form which often looks bad. He also comes off as angry at times. Innocent people get angry when they are being accused.
    —————————————————

    You must not be very familiar with lawyers. Flinging questions disguised as narratives is pretty much what they do. Ever heard the saying “never ask a witness a question you don’t already know the answer to?” It’s standard procedure and nothing out of the ordinary.

    Now if you want to talk about getting all tricky and slippery, here’s one for you: “Innocent people get angry when they are being accused.” Wow, nice job of trying to slide an ASSUMPTION by us as a FACT. So you KNOW Brady is “innocent”? Really? Way to turn an inquiry into a complete declaration of the result you want.

    Ever consider he looks “angry” because he’s frustrated that the lawyer won’t accept his evasiveness? And before you go disagreeing, remember the title of this very article said Brady “tiptoed” around the question. Tommy was asked the same basic question and refused a straight answer. So the lawyer had to frame it another way, and still Tom avoided and evaded. So the lawyer tried asking it again, and same result. That’s the more reasonable explanation.

  188. Anyone else wish they had a NFL Court TV channel where we could watch this kind of stuff live? The drama is officially better to watch unfold than the actual games.

  189. “How does that work? Easy.He actually knows Jim McNally, but knew him by what he thought was his name “Burt”. TB actually misheard McNally’s nickname which is “Bird”. ”

    so – now Brady can’t even HEAR right? How many times did he call the guy “Burt” as he saw him every day at practice and on game days – and never once was he corrected…??
    yer kiddin’ me, right?

    oh – and all you folks who think the Pats decline into cheating began with video-taping.. look up the convict snowplough game…

  190. A intelligent,college educated, football junky does not know what psi is?

    A better question would be “Mr.Brady, have you ever inflated your automobile tires either in college or at the pros?”

    His likely answer would be, “No, Gisele does!”

    People are still believing this.

  191. LOL, to say he had no idea the rule of PSI is just plain absurd. Every QB in the league can tell you right now what they like their balls set at, it didnt take Tom 14 yrs to figure this out. The job of JJ is to prepare the balls to toms liking, if he had zero preference and no PSI number in mind then how does JJ prepare the ball to toms liking? And Tom lobbied to have the PSI range lowered or taken away- but he didnt have any idea how he liked his balls?!?! The NFL has handled this wrong, but there is no doubt brady cheated and thats the most important thing here.

  192. “I think the irony of everything is I don’t even squeeze a football,”

    Right…. How can anyone believe anything this guy ever says? Comparing a football to a golf club… really, Tom?

    Well… I guess the lack of a squeeze could explain the fumble that became the Tuck Rule, but you’d think he’d learn to squeeze the ball since then..

  193. Before Brady said he likes his football as soft as possible. Now he says he can’t tell the difference because he don’t squeeze them. He always destroys his cell phones. Brady is a liar and a cheat!!

  194. The truth shall set you free. NFL biggest claim is Brady not turning over personal phone data. He was not under any legal obligation to.

    this was not a legal investigation, so legal obligation is a piss poor defense. The league was performing an internal investigation using the bylaws from the CBA and were well within their rights to request the necessary information so that they may do their due diligence to come to a formal conclusion.

    In the same way, the investigator has no legal obligation to seek out information by methods other than how he did it. It is not his responsibility to request the texts from the ball boys (lets be honest, they were never going to give that up)

    you are right, this is not the court of law…. All the evidence pointed to the balls being deflated and Brady being the culprit. They didnt have to prove his guilt…. he needed to prove his innocence, in which case he most certainly did not.

  195. i completely disagree with your assessment that Brady was trying to avoid answering the question. I believe, after consulting the rule after playing with a 16psi he simply chose a # under the permissible guidlines. If he preferred 12.5, so what it’s within the rules. Like you, I can’t jump to “if you liked 12.5 you would like 12.3 or 12.0 better”.

  196. “I never thought about the inflation level, Lorin” Brady said. “I never in the history of my career, I never thought about the inflation level of a ball.”

    This from the same guy who, in 2006, according to pft pushed for rule to let visiting team provide own footballs because “The thing is, every quarterback likes it a little bit different,” Brady told the Sun-Sentinel at the time. “Some like them blown up a little bit more, some like them a little more thin, some like them a little more new, some like them really broken in.”

    He can just never bring himself to admit to anything.

  197. enoch1root says:
    Aug 4, 2015 7:25 PM

    Good luck with trying for spoliation when you have Ted Wells recorded during his defense of the report to the media saying he didn’t need the phone. He even writes it in the Wells report.

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    But Wells did request the relevant texts which were on the phone. That is the reason why Brady showed up at the appeal with the spreadsheet of metadata but no actual texts and that lame excuse on how the NFL could go try to find the text data on their own using the spreadsheet.

    Do you think a judge would buy the destruction of records incidentally destroyed because you randomly, on the day of the trial, destroyed the container that holds them?

    “Well your honor didn’t say you wanted the hard drive/filing cabinet/thumb drive, just the relevant data in/on it, so I decided to get a new one. I also didn’t want anyone else to get the personal information on/in it so i destroyed it. I know your honor wanted the information stored/recorded on/in it for this case but I had to destroy it. It’s what i do”.

  198. “he wasn’t even aware of the limits for air pressure inside footballs until after the 2014 game against the Jets, when Brady became “very pissed off” because the balls used in that game were “very hard.” It turned out that the balls somehow had been inflated to 16 PSI. This prompted Brady to look up the relevant rule.”

    ““I never thought about the inflation level, Lorin” Brady said. “I never in the history of my career, I never thought about the inflation level of a ball.””

    GUILTY

  199. i802cool says:
    Aug 4, 2015 8:31 PM
    Just finished reading Brady Q&A. Reisner is a piece of work, and worth every penny from an NFL perspective. He’s not really asking questions, he’s making narrative statements framed as questions, for the record of course. I think Brady held up very well, even in printed form which often looks bad. He also comes off as angry at times. Innocent people get angry when they are being accused. I do. One meme destroyed here: Brady didn’t write the 2006 rule change proposal. It was Peyton..Manning. We knew it was a QB team effort but Peyton as the lead guy adds context that has been missing from virtually every anti-Brady media story.

    ———————————

    Indignation is no indication of innocence. You should read up on Ryan Braun’s epic tirade. By your standards he was as pure as the driven snow.

    Lance Armstrong used to get very angry at all the doping questions. Also completely innocent, right?

    I could go on all day.

    I also disagree that he held up very well, at most, he succeeded in not making it worse.

    His defense team did him no favors by not calling Jastremski and McNally or allowing that silly spreadsheet to be introduced. He would’ve been better served just by refusing to turn over the data on the phone.

  200. Here is something I don’t understand, Brady complained about the game balls from a 2014 game against the Jets where the balls seemed very hard and measured at 16 PSI. Since Brady led the charge to have each team prepare their own game balls in 2006, the rule was changed. So New England would have provided the 16 PSI balls for the Jets game. Then Brady got “really pissed”, this anger would have been directed at the Patriots equipment staff.

    Here is another curious thing about the part of Brady’s testimony, he said he never thought about PSI or even knew what it meant. But again he led the fight in 2006 to have each team provide their own game balls. So he led this fight without understanding the impact of pressure and inflation with the balls? That doesn’t quite square with me.

    Finally what I simply can not understand is why doesn’t the NFL just provide 24 games balls for each game. Put 12 on each side of the field, don’t allow anyone that isn’t officially working the game to touch the balls except during play. That way there is absolutely no difference in the balls that each team uses.

  201. Soon the season will start, and the Pats will resume not winning the Super Bowl as they did for the previous ten years, Brady will retire soon enough, and we won’t have to hear about this stupid story ever again

  202. Elephants not in the appeal hearing room: Jastremski and McNally. No credible reason for their absence other than damning testimony. The Brady team has been adept at avoiding any references to them.

    No real answers for why innocent employees who did “nothing wrong” (brady’s fb post):
    i) weren’t at the appeal hearing;
    ii) were fired (Kraft statement: they were fired for a variety of reasons); and
    iii) weren’t made available for follow up questioning by Wells at the initial investigation.

    Most plausible scenario for what happened:
    i)Brady is furious after the 11.14 Jets game, tells J&M to make sure the balls are never that inflated again.
    ii)J&M (and probably Brady) devise plan to check (and deflate if necessary) the balls after, AFTER, the refs check them. Hence, the deflator moniker. Also interesting that Brady calls no one to offer testimony confirming M is called the deflator because he is trying to lose weight.
    iii) in the Colts game, M takes the balls in the bathroom gauges a few of them, they are in fact 12.5, leaves them alone. That’s why the science works. Bacuse of this post ref check plan, M first denies going onto the bathroom, then later later admits it, but falsely states that there is a urinal in it.

    END THIS TB12! try to get 1 game, be willing to take a 2 game suspension (ganes 2 &3) play opening night, and go get SB5.

  203. He is going out of his way to separate psi level from the ball feeling soft to him. Where as every pro football player I have seen on the matter has stated there is a connection.

  204. I feel like he had such an easy response here (while getting a shot in at the league):

    “I didn’t like the way the balls felt after the Jets game. So, the logic was if the league was going to introduce overinflated footballs into the game, I’d rather them overinflate from a starting point of 12.5 rather than overinflate from a starting point of 13.5.”

  205. If you read, the article, you are aware that Lorin Reisner badgered Brady about picking 12.5 as the number they were to inflate the footballs and asked if he preferred the balls to the lower end of the spectrum thus trying to imply he would rather have them lower. This is a ridiculous tactic trying to make guilt appear out of a legal range. Brady was asked 3 times. It doesn’t matter. Brady picked 12.5 because it was LEGAL. End of story. That’s like me doing 70mph in a 70mph zone and be accused of having the propensity to speed because I prefer to drive to the higher end of the speed limit. Also note when you read the article, how NBC puts a slight spin on it, trying to make Brady look guilty. They are grasping for straws here.

  206. Oh my goodness. What he said was FINE and he answered the question.

    The problem is all these people acting like it is a big deal have probably NEVER compared a football at different pressures. If they did, they’d see there is No difference in feel from a ball at 12.5 and one at 13.5 and would quit thinking there is some huge difference between these minute differences.

    What Brady is saying there is what I feel completely honest and he has no idea what the hell a ball is set at when it is in that close range. I do believe at 16 psi that one would for sure notice the difference since it’d be very hard. It’s the same the other way when you get to about 9-9.5 and the football starts to feel a bit soft/squishy.

    I challenge anyone, even pro QBs, to do a blind test of say 15 balls in a range of 11.5 to 14 and guess the pressures.

    The best thing I can say about this absurd drama is it has shown me just who hasn’t ever actually held a football at different pressures in their life.

  207. It’s hilarious that this guy chose this out of the whole transcript to write about considering that the NFL and Goodell look like fools in the transcript. The only things that matters is that we now know the balls weren’t tampered with. What else matters?

  208. Did this moron read the entire transcript? Nope. Pulled out some quotes. Whether Brady like had balls is not the issue. Has the NFL ever punished someone on an equipment matter? No. What’s the penalty in the book? $25K fine. My work here is done.

  209. truthfactory says:
    Aug 4, 2015 6:28 PM
    So if he can’t even admit the simple fact that he likes them underinflated, then what else is heblying about?

    Mark Brunel and Jerome Bettis both could tell the difference immediately on ESPN and he claims he cannot?? What a joke.

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    The Patriots balls followed the Idea Gas Law to the letter. The ref set them at 12.5psi and the decrease in pressure was dead-on. There is a difference between the pressure decreasing via temperature than there is by letting air out of the balls which is what ESPN did. The balls will re-pressurize back to 12.5 at room temp…and that is exactly what happened to the intercepted ball, which was not touched at half time. The joke is the witch hunt.

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