Ravens assistant alerted Colts to issue with footballs

AP

In the days before they played the Patriots in the AFC Championship Game, the Colts were alerted by the Ravens to pay special attention to potential problems with the game balls.

Colts equipment manager Sean Sullivan sent an email to G.M. Ryan Grigson before the AFC Championship saying that the Ravens’ special teams coach, Jerry Rosburg, had called Colts head coach Chuck Pagano to warn him of potential problems with game balls. According to the email, the Ravens had problems in their own playoff loss to the Patriots the week before, and urged the Colts to be careful.

“Two concerns came up as of yesterday on footballs at New England,” Sullivan wrote, via Ben Volin of the Boston Globe. “First off the special teams coordinator from the Baltimore Ravens called Coach Pagano and said that they had issues last week at the game that when they were kicking (Baltimore that is) they were given new footballs instead of the ones that were prepared correctly.”

Sullivan then added that the Patriots are known to play fast and loose with the rules regarding the game balls.

“As far as the gameballs are concerned it is well known around the league that after the Patriots gameballs are checked by the officials and brought out for game usage the ballboys for the patriots will let out some air with a ball needle because their quarterback likes a smaller football so he can grip it better, it would be great if someone would be able to check the air in the game balls as the game goes on so that they don’t get an illegal advantage,” Sullivan wrote.

If it was “well known around the league” that the Patriots were breaking the rules about game balls, at Tom Brady’s request, it’s baffling that it never became public until Deflategate broke out after the AFC Championship Game. But Sullivan’s email makes clear that this was an issue the Colts were bracing for heading into the game.

237 responses to “Ravens assistant alerted Colts to issue with footballs

  1. Didn’t Harbaugh say he knew nothing about this at the combine? Haha, what a liar. No wonder the League wanted these things sealed.

  2. Also per Ben Volin, John Harbaugh said at the Combine that the Ravens “were never involved to begin with.”

    Oops!

  3. If the balls were “new”, they came from the officials. It’s a big difference between being accused of sticking a needle in a ball for a second or two to being accused of entirely swapping out game balls without anyone noticing.

    Sounds like the Ravens were looking for excuses.

  4. What are the odds that the Ravens say this would happen, AND a guy named the Deflator took footballs in the bathroom after they had been checked by the refs.

    Scream all you want about “not handing over a cell phone”. None of that really matters. Even if you throw all that out, there would have to be 15 seperate coincidences to believe nothing was going on here.

    In other words, something was probably going on… And that is the standard in cases like these.

  5. So many Pats fans use the absurd argument that since they won 45-7 versus the Colts, ball inflation was of no import.

    But the point is that the Patriots were just playing “fast and loose” with the rules in the 2014 AFCCG only. They’ve been doing these kinds of things for a decade and a half, many of the shady tactics right in the face of being warned to stop doing it.

  6. The NFL rule book says the kicking balls are supposed to be right out of the box brand spanking new, shipped to the game officials by the manufacturer and put into play as is.

    The reporting on this story has been horrible.

  7. Once the regular season starts….how many deflate stores will we have to suffer though? 7 a week, 15, ???

    I’m ready for the next scandal now….

  8. Well known around the league, yet the $44,000,000.00 commissioner couldn’t put an end to it before THIS?

  9. If it was “well known around the league” that the Patriots mess with the game balls, then why was it necessary for the Ravens to alert the Colts to it??

  10. The Ravens game was very cold, colder than the AFCCG.

    The footballs were naturally depressurized by the lower temperature to even a greater extent.

    The Ravens didn’t know squat about the ideal gas law,
    they contacted the colts,

    The Colts didn’t know squat about the ideal gas law,
    they contacted the NFL,

    The NFL and Mr. Kensil didn’t know squat about the ideal gas law,
    and that threw a wrench into their sting operation.

    me: AB, MS, Ph.D in chemistry, now a professor, and not from New England

  11. LOL ravens and colts look really small here.

    of course Brady and Pats are guilty of this.

    but ravens and colts bromancing over something small such as this? BEAT A TEAM

    you just look like a bunch of cry babies. there is a lot of gamesmanship no doubt going on in the league. had to report it now because you can’t beat a team? look like a bunch of whiners

  12. wow the Ravens who employ players after they commit murders and beat women…. would snitch about the air in a football. and yes i know Ray Rice was released but until public outcry forced them to do something.

  13. So it was a sting operation, the NFL was alerted, didn’t care about the integrity of the AFC championship game. For the integrity of the game, clean house NFL.

  14. Congress should investigate how the Packers made it all the way to the NFC Championship game. Hahaha .. Detriot LOSING to the Cowboys then Cowboys get screwed in Lambeau.Haha.

  15. “Scream all you want about “not handing over a cell phone”. None of that really matters. Even if you throw all that out, there would have to be 15 seperate coincidences to believe nothing was going on here.

    In other words, something was probably going on… And that is the standard in cases like these.”

    Ok, a ball violation is a $20,000 fine. Why suspension, why lost draft picks, why million dollar fine? All of those are important questions that need to be answered

  16. the colts spent more time worrying about PSI than they did game planning, as the 45-7 score indicated. That’s OK. They can make themselves a Junior Detectives banner to hang in their stadium

  17. To be somewhat fair to the ravens there was a problem with the kicking balls, there was an nfl official stealing the prepared ones once they were in the game so he could sell them. So weird to me how everyone forgets about that guy.

    So given the “rumors” you can see where they are coming from.

  18. Everyone in the league– players, coaches, scouts, front office types– knows the Patriots are cheaters.

    Finally finally finally Goodell and the league office are breaking free from Kraft’s puppet strings.

  19. Sounds like if around the league you’re known to play games with the balls, someone should tell the QB not to piss off another team with a snide “go read the rulebook” comment. That’s hilarious.

  20. The Ravens are the whiniest of crybabies. They have never lost fairly ever. Ever loss in their history was because they got screwed by the refs.

  21. The Ravens are the whiniest of crybabies. They have never lost fairly ever. Ever loss in their history was because they got screwed by the refs.

  22. Harbaugh is a liar. Simple fact. He also does’t have the guts tons simply admit that he cried to Grigson because Brady hurt his feelings and Belichick embarrassed him on national television. This has never for one minute been about integrity, it’s always been about the Ravens and Colts being upset that the Pats keep beating them over and over. Go wipe your tears on your “Conference Finalist” banners.

  23. Whether or not Tom did or didn’t request the ball be under inflated, how does that explain the Pat’s defense holding the Colts offense to 7 points. Or explain LaGarette Blount rushing for 150 plus yards and 3 TDs, more than enough offense to beat the Colts that day. The Pats would have beaten the Colts either way. This whole thing is blown out of proportion because it is the Pats. And they already got punished for it. Just like the Falcons got punished for pumping in crowd noise. Move on already, haters. Pats are defending champs and beat a much better team than the Colts in the SB. Sheesh.

  24. First off, the teams don’t have any control over the handling of kicking balls. None.
    2nd, we already knew the colts ball boy broke the rules by sticking a needle in the intercepted ball and was at the forefront of trying to get the Patriots.
    The colts knew about footballs losing pressure in the elements so it was a pretty easy sting operation.

  25. chazjs says:

    Aren’t the kicking balls handled by the league?
    ——————————————————-
    Prepped by the refs. Handled by the home team ball boys. Obviously “The Deflator” accidently gave the Ravens a Patriots K ball and it was deflated.

  26. I really don’t understand all this commotion . BB goes for every advantage he can get for his team . press the rules (cheating ) . If that gives him an advantage . sure ! A win is a win . good coach ! He knew . Brady knew . we all know ! But it is hell to get called on it !

  27. All started from Brady saying check the rule book. The Ravens and colts conspired to cause problems for the Patriots. They colts just didn’t know they would get blown out.

    If the league know all this they should have sent a note to the Patriots to make sure their ball boys followed exact procedure as the league was checking inflation. Why run a sting op?

  28. paulieorkid says:
    Aug 4, 2015 7:23 PM
    So many Pats fans use the absurd argument that since they won 45-7 versus the Colts, ball inflation was of no import.

    But the point is that the Patriots were just playing “fast and loose” with the rules in the 2014 AFCCG only. They’ve been doing these kinds of things for a decade and a half…
    ___________________________________________________
    And do you think that in the playoff game the week before that just maybe the Patriots playing fast and loose with the rules might have contributed to the Patriots winning narrowly by a score of 35-31 (and in manufacturing winning drives coming from behind twice by 14 points)?

  29. truthprofessor says:
    Aug 4, 2015 7:23 PM

    The Ravens game was very cold, colder than the AFCCG.

    The footballs were naturally depressurized by the lower temperature to even a greater extent.

    The Ravens didn’t know squat about the ideal gas law,
    they contacted the colts,

    The Colts didn’t know squat about the ideal gas law,
    they contacted the NFL,

    The NFL and Mr. Kensil didn’t know squat about the ideal gas law,
    and that threw a wrench into their sting operation.

    me: AB, MS, Ph.D in chemistry, now a professor, and not from New England
    ———————————————————-
    Oh, so that’s why you didn’t mention that the Ideal Gas “Law” is not a law at all but a hypothetical approximation of something that might happen under laboratory conditions, as opposed to a football stadium.

    Just fess up Bill. We all know “truthprofessor” is really you.

  30. WOW. the lies from the front office are insane. harbaugh is liar as well. FRAMEgate from the start isn’t even a question anymore.

    this spells BIG trouble for the league and especially up-to-no-goodell…

  31. Would the Colts even have cared if the Ravens hadn’t been such sore losers? The intercepting Colts defender didn’t even notice any deflation. And to think, Belichick went out of his way to recommend Harbaugh for his job.

    p.s. You lost because Flacco kept doing his jump ball routine and got ints instead of PI penalties.

  32. Teams like Indy and Baltimore want the league, and the officials and little rules to win games for them. If you are hanging those losses on a ball being 12.1 psi vs. 12.5 psi then you truly are losers.

    Check the “Jeff Blake on deflategate” article. He basically said what we all know. Plenty of QB’s like their balls a “certain way” around the NFL. And it’s been going on for decades. Get over it you whiny babies.

  33. Are those the same Ravens that were out coached by the Patriots. The whole league knew about it for how long? a year,5 years,10 years but it only leaks out after a Colt intercepts a ball a few months ago. Now that’s 31 teams keeping a secret. ( that hurts them.) Yeah right.

  34. The Colts did win something very valuable in Andrew Luck. You know when they cheated to get Luck by making sure they had the worst record in the league. Oh, I think they called the cheating ploy, that hardly anyone talks about “Suck for Luck”. Now that’s cheating folks getting yourself the next great NFL QB after they knew Manning was hurt or gone the following season and all they had to do is take a dive for a whole season. I remember the year Brady was out, the back up QB who never threw a pass in college got them an 11 and 6 record. They must have cheated, I guess but you can’t blame Brady so it must have been Matt Cassell.

  35. “I misinterpreted the Rules”…..even though the NFL warned me about videotaping months ago.

    “I was duped”….Drunk Bob Kraft

    “I always have my assistant destroy my cell phone on the day of testimony”

    “I like deflated footballs”….errrrrr “I mean I have never thought about the pressure of football”

    “He calls himself the Deflator because he’s trying to lose weight”

    Just a few doozies over the year from the Deflatriots, the biggest cheaters in sports history, lord only know what they haven’t been caught doing.

    Complete joke of a franchise.

  36. The Patriots have a documented problem with cheating dating back to 2007. The NFL finally has held them accountable. Patriot fans accept responsibility for your franchise’s own actions.

  37. thegronk87 says:
    Aug 4, 2015 7:18 PM

    The officials control the kicking balls. Next.
    ————-

    And the officers control the radar guns. Doesn’t mean you weren’t (are) speeding.

    So we purposefully under inflate the balls knowing that the officials were reinflate them? We run the risk, like at the Jets game, where they over inflate them. Or we have the game where the officials don’t pay much attention and our lower balls get passed through. In any case, the Pats HAND the balls to the officials.

    Requiring the police to “police us” doesn’t mean you aren’t doing wrong. It just means, as in this case, that you are only “wrong” when you get caught. Your argument doesn’t fly.

  38. “truthfactory says:
    Aug 4, 2015 7:22 PM
    What are the odds that the Ravens say this would happen, AND a guy named the Deflator took footballs in the bathroom after they had been checked by the refs.

    Scream all you want about “not handing over a cell phone”. None of that really matters. Even if you throw all that out, there would have to be 15 seperate coincidences to believe nothing was going on here.”

    The only coincidence that didn’t take place was the Pats’ balls, you know, actually being deflated (beyond what the Ideal Gas Law would predict). Other than that little detail, you have a great argument there.

  39. Ravens were content to let that bit of info go just like every team who knows about the Pats tendencies UNTIL Belichick pulled out his 6 WR package on them. That was the straw.

  40. “Well known throughout the league” and not a single source sited!! This gets better and better every time I hit the F5 key!!! No one could write this!

  41. Troy Vincent testified the first he heard about Patriots playing with deflated balls was 7 minutes before halftime of the AGCCG.

    Ryan Grigson approached him and said, “They’re playing with a small ball.”

    And of course Vincent immediately knew what he meant by small ball. A Patriots equipment guy must have stuck a needle in the footballs before the game to release air because when all of us hear “small ball” that’s the first thing to come to mind, right.

    Yeah, OK. Like this wasn’t all set up by Roger Goodell on down.

  42. this whole thing is starting to look like the movie “a few good men”

    Who ordered the code red?
    We cant handle the truth!
    We need Roger on that wall!

  43. So John Harbaugh was lying through his teeth on National TV before the Super Bowl when he denied any involvement by him or members of his team. He even went so far as to say he called Pagano and asked if any member of Harbaugh’s team had been in contact with any member of Pagano’s team about football inflation, and he said Pagano said no.

    I knew he was lying at the time, and this proves it. I’d love to find the video and provide a link, maybe PFT would have an easier time finding it?

  44. I don’t blame the Ravens. I bet they watched the Julian Edelman TD pass over and over and could see what everyone on TV could see, the indentation on the ball as he threw it… Meaning it was under inflated….not to mention his hands are as big as a 5 year old…. He couldn’t even grip a properly inflated ball. I saw it myself on TV. Watch it, up close.

  45. Unlike the Pats, Former Ravens assistants go on to actually Head Coaching positions and Win. Pagano is old friend of the Ravens and I’m sure this was a call from friend to friend. It appears obvious from the emails, like most fans south of Rhode Island, that the Patriots are known cheaters.

  46. I’ve been saying it since day one.

    Harbaugh was pissed at the Brady comment about reading the rule book after the Ravens lost.

    He put the wheels in motion in telling the Colts.

    NFL goes hook line and sinker into the game thinking they have the Pats but the Pats don’t deflate the balls this game. It’s too cold. No need too.

    NFL doesn’t quit. Now they go down.

  47. OK, so Jerry Rosburg of the Ravens calls his friend and former Ravens coordinator Chuck Pagano. They talk about all kinds of subjects and Rosburg mentions in passing, “oh, by the way, check the pressure of the footballs.” This is somehow some sinister proof that the Ravens have it out for the Patriots?

    Would you chowdaheads please stop complaining about how persecuted the poor New England Patriots area. It took them a trick from the rulebook (which, BTW, is now illegal) to beat a team on it’s eighth string cornerback in the divisonal round. If the Patriots hadn’t of cheated against the Colts then they had nothing to worry about!

  48. Let’s not forget it was freezing that week in Foxboro. Florio nearly froze to death doing PFT live from there. Natural deflation is very likely in temps that cold.

  49. .

    From PFT on February 1st (Mike Florio).
    John Harbaugh with Bob Costas @ Super Bowl

    “I heard all that, I couldn’t believe it when I heard it,” Harbaugh told Bob Costas.  “It’s ridiculous, it never happened, I’ve been, I never made any call, nobody in our organization made any call.  As a matter of fact, just to make sure I had all the facts, I called up Chuck Pagano and asked him, ‘Did anybody else in our organization tip you off about deflated footballs?’ and he said, ‘No way.’”

    Harbaugh also said he never even considered ball inflation until it became an issue in the Colts-Patriots game.

    “It never came up, it never crossed my mind, it wasn’t even an issue in the [Colts-Patriots] game,” Harbaugh said.  “I didn’t even think about it until I read about it later.”

    Either Harbaugh or Florio is lying. You make the call.
    .

  50. The Ravens and the Colts, cohorts in inventing deflategate with the help of the NFL suits in New York. One team a perennial loser to the Patriots by huge scores and the other a tough competitor that just lost a heart-breaker to the Pats wherein the head coach embarrassed himself.

    They tried to catch the Pats in the act and booted it.

    To save face they tried to turn up the pressure on the Patriots by leaking to the media and strong arming Brady.

  51. Chuck Pugano is a liar. Many times, lastly at Combine, he said he had no idea about any concerns with the footballs.

  52. You know kicking refers to punting too…

    I remember Koch playing his worst game of the season in that loss, wondering if he was just done or having a bad day.

    Now we know.

    Also I love pats fans screaming about being outcoached when you needed to cheat, skirt the rulebook, and deflate footballs to beat a team without it’s starting tackles, 17 other players on IR and a secondary that couldn’t cover a dead man with a blanket.

    By 4 points.

  53. hegronk87 says:
    Aug 4, 2015 7:18 PM

    The officials control the kicking balls. Next.

    ————————————————-

    Worth repeating. Wonder of Ben Violin managed to work that point of fact into his article.

  54. Did ravens special teams coach just admit to using illegal special team balls? Those are balls are supposed to be untouched from box, not prepared.

  55. Colts equipment manager Sean Sullivan sent an email to G.M. Ryan Grigson before the AFC Championship saying that the Ravens’ special teams coach, Jerry Rosburg, had called Colts head coach Chuck Pagano to warn him of potential problems with game balls
    ——————————————————–
    Wait a minute ……….

    Days after “Deflategate” broke, Pagano publicly said he had NO IDEA about the Patriots deflating footballs.

    Now it comes out that days before that statement, Pagano received a call from the Baltimore Ravens ST coach, warning him about that?

    Chuck Pagano has just been shown to be a LIAR, by his OWN equipment manager!!!!!!!!!

  56. Good Lord,I just read half of the hearing,and Brady is so very guilty !! It is full of I don’t knows,and maybe’s,and lies.You Pat’s fans really need to take the time to read this,very eye opening stuff.

  57. Ok, so lets sort this out. Based on this one piece of information above…

    Harbaugh lied
    Biscotti lied Irsay lied
    Grigson lied
    Troy Vincent lied
    Kensil lied
    Goodell lied

    Did i leave anyone out?

  58. It appears that Ole Johnny Harbaugh got the last laugh. Thank you Ravens for ending the culture of cheating in NE. Much respect from a Steelers fan!

  59. lennylyles says:
    Aug 4, 2015 7:32 PM
    The Patriots have a systemic and documented problem with cheating dating back to Spygate.
    ________________________________

    Look up the word “documented”, it doesn’t mean what you think it does. If there was cheating and if it was documented, there would be documents to show that. There is neither. Only thing there is a bunch of teams who keep getting beat. They are frustrated and upset. Harbaugh is upset. Irsay is upset and very, very high. Kensil has been upset since Belichick dumped his beloved J-E-S-T. Time to man up and stop crying. Play football better losers.

  60. Sure, whatever. I just want to hear Wahbaugh deny the Ravens didn’t have anything to do with it. One crybaby franchise lies and the other goes out of it’s way to swear to it with the help of shameless, petty league officials. Lose like men. Try something honorable for once.

  61. What up Phat Pats? Your castles are burning, the world is laughing and your Golden Boy Prince Brady looks pretty shady at the moment (legacy, direct body hit). Are you ready for some football?

  62. Who is this Smith guy AND where does he get his reliable information? Is ANY of his information reliable? Can he back up these statements with fact or is this one of those he said she said statements?
    It looks to me that soooo many people are just making up stories as they go along. Is that you, Mr. Smith?
    Hello?

  63. Great to see Seahawk, raven and colts fans cry. Maybe we should send them patriots pacifiers since all their teams are use to sucking against the pats

  64. jamaltimore says:
    Aug 4, 2015 7:51 PM
    Unlike the Pats, Former Ravens assistants go on to actually Head Coaching positions and Win. Pagano is old friend of the Ravens and I’m sure this was a call from friend to friend. It appears obvious from the emails, like most fans south of Rhode Island, that the Patriots are known cheaters.

    ———————————————————-

    After the Pats beat the Ravens – I had my kids watch Harbaugh press conference as he blamed the loss on an “illegal” play.

    I had them watch it twice.

    Then I said:
    “If you go through life blaming someone else for your failures, then make certain you give them credit for your wins too because they are in control – not you…”

  65. eastcoastgambler says: Aug 4, 2015 7:27 PM

    Hence, the “Sting” was born.

    ——————————————————

    Hence, revealing the lengths the godless Patriots will resort to knowingly cheat their opponents. *

  66. justintuckrule says:
    Aug 4, 2015 7:46 PM
    Ravens were content to let that bit of info go just like every team who knows about the Pats tendencies UNTIL Belichick pulled out his 6 WR package on them. That was the straw.

    =======

    John is right….. They cheated….. They cannot have 6 WR’s….. 5 down lineman…. + 1 QB makes 6….. So the Pats did cheat! The Pats were playing with 12 on the field!

    LMAO…….

  67. bigbits2 says:
    Aug 4, 2015 7:35 PM

    “The colts knew about footballs losing pressure in the elements so it was a pretty easy sting operation.”

    And yet somehow the NFL screwed it up.

  68. hakunamangata says:
    Aug 4, 2015 7:56 PM
    You know kicking refers to punting too…

    I remember Koch playing his worst game of the season in that loss, wondering if he was just done or having a bad day.

    Now we know.

    Also I love pats fans screaming about being outcoached when you needed to cheat, skirt the rulebook, and deflate footballs to beat a team without it’s starting tackles, 17 other players on IR and a secondary that couldn’t cover a dead man with a blanket.

    By 4 points.

    ———————————————————
    Kicking balls are controlled by the Refs. Delivered to the field in sealed factory boxes.

    He had a bad day because he sucked. Not because someone tampered with the balls.

    An yes – lost by 4 points because jump-ball joe got baited into lobbing one up into the end zone by a rookie safety who easily picked him. Nice.

  69. The patriot* fan base are the most pathetic people ever. They flood this site just so they can “thumbs up or down” anything that makes Tommy Baby look innocent.

  70. Documented:

    The 2007 New England Patriots videotaping controversy, widely dubbed “Spygate”,[1][2] refers to an incident during the National Football League’s (NFL) 2007 season when the New England Patriots were disciplined by the league for videotaping New York Jets’ defensive coaches’ signals during a September 9, 2007 game. Videotaping opposing coaches is not illegal in the NFL but there are designated areas allowed by the league to do such taping. The Patriots were videotaping the Jets’ coaches from their own sideline which is not allowed. The act was deemed by NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell to be in violation of league rules, causing him to say when penalizing the Patriots that this episode represents a calculated and deliberate attempt to avoid long-standing rules designed to encourage fair play and promote honest competition on the playing field. After an investigation, the NFL fined Patriots head coach Bill Belichick $500,000 (the maximum allowed by the league and the largest fine ever imposed on a coach in the league’s 87-year history) for his role in the incident, fined the Patriots $250,000, and docked the team their original first-round selection in the 2008 NFL Draft which would have been the 31st pick of the draft.[3] The fine garnered significant media attention for being the “maximum amount” an individual could be fined.

  71. ***when they were kicking (Baltimore that is) they were given new footballs instead of the ones that were prepared correctly.”***

    uuuuummm…. arent kicking balls supposed to be new and “unprepared?” So the Ravens were cheating before that game?

  72. NFL could have just warned the Patriots like they would have any other club. Instead Kensil and Vincent and Pasch made it personal.

    It’s not personal Sonny. It’s strictly business.

    League office personal are going down hard on this one..

  73. “The Patriots have a systemic and documented problem with cheating dating back to Spygate.”
    ^^^^^
    Really?

    Name one that is documented then.

  74. .
    Btw….. Isn’t Rosberg the same clown that couldn’t get his kicking team on the field in the waning seconds of the 2012 playoff game at New England which resulted in Billy Cundiff’s 32 yd shank?

    He probably loves the Patriots.
    .

  75. So, don’t lose sight of the issue. Claiming a sting happened doesn’t absolve the Pats from playing within the rules, nor does claiming victimhood.

    Sting is one thing, entrapment, another. Nobody led the Pats or aided them in deflating the balls. They did it all by themselves and the NFL was under no obligation to tip them off, as a cop would be to tip off criminals that there is a stakeout.

    Who knew before the AFCC, is immaterial.

  76. Will this EVER end, Brady should just hang himself, the pat’s can go play in arena football, then maybe we can talk nfl.

  77. truthprofessor says:
    Aug 4, 2015 7:23 PM
    The Ravens game was very cold, colder than the AFCCG.

    The footballs were naturally depressurized by the lower temperature to even a greater extent.

    The Ravens didn’t know squat about the ideal gas law,
    they contacted the colts,

    The Colts didn’t know squat about the ideal gas law,
    they contacted the NFL,

    The NFL and Mr. Kensil didn’t know squat about the ideal gas law,
    and that threw a wrench into their sting operation.

    me: AB, MS, Ph.D in chemistry, now a professor, and not from New England

    ——————————————————

    Thanks for the summary. Recall it was around 20 degrees for that game. If the locker room is at 70 – that 50 drop may significantly effect the play of the ball. And the game.

    One idea to lessen the impact – especially during extreme temp situations – is to use another gas less effected by temp to inflate the balls.

  78. So it all is true! through all the months of lying. The sore lossing Ravens and their poor dumb coach who was humiliated. First for not knowing what was going on, then crying cheat, then realizing he needed rules dumb down for himself. Let’s start calling it the DDNFL the certainly have the right guy for commissioner Dumb Down Rodger Goodell oh and by the way good thing these 2 weren’t around when the first pass was thrown! Ha Fools!

  79. All these coaches and owners are sore losers. Instead of calling up other teams why don’t they spend time improving their talent and their coaching abilities. These teams are going to keep losing to the pats if they blame others for their deficiencies

  80. Wait…
    Aren’t K-balls minimally prepared? Aren’t they basically slick, hard, and nearly straight out-of-the-box?

  81. It well known . . . . but Anderson – the guy Wells said is so professional – who was also warned by the league – did not change his routine ? or check the balls after they went unescorted to the field?

  82. It’s well known . . . . but Anderson – the guy Wells said is so professional – who was also warned by the league – did not change his routine ? or check the balls after they went unescorted to the field?

  83. Prepped by the refs. Handled by the home team ball boys. Obviously “The Deflator” accidently gave the Ravens a Patriots K ball and it was deflated.
    ===
    You wouldn’t deflate a K-ball. That would reduce your kicker’s range.

    And before you say that the Ravens special teams got a deflated NEP offensive ball, K-balls are marked. Unless the game officials messed up by running a BAL K-ball down with a NEP non-K-ball, no… BAL didn’t have a NEP offensive ball.

  84. AFC Championship 1st half: Under-inflated balls used. Patriots 17, Colts 7. Brady throws an interception.

    AFC Championship 2nd half: Properly inflated balls used. Patriots 28, Colts 0. Brady throws zero interceptions.

    The only conclusion that one can draw from these statistics is that under-inflated balls were holding the Patriots back.

  85. It has been clear that Brady threw the rule book in the Ravens face and then they rammed it down Brady’s throat. Where he will have four games to digest it.

  86. “As far as the gameballs are concerned it is well known around the league that after the Patriots gameballs are checked by the officials and brought out for game usage the ballboys for the patriots will let out some air with a ball needle because their quarterback likes a smaller football so he can grip it better, it would be great if someone would be able to check the air in the game balls as the game goes on so that they don’t get an illegal advantage,” Sullivan wrote.

    ____________________

    That’s some mighty specific information for the entire league to know about that’s going on in the Pats lockerroom.
    Nobody is checking on these equipment guys, who seemed pretty angry at having to do extra work for the pretty boy QB.

    Sounds like some nice revenge to get him in trouble.

  87. when they were kicking (Baltimore that is) they were given new footballs instead of the ones that were prepared correctly.”

    —-

    wait, what? So the Ravens had balls that they pre-prepared for kicking, but didn’t get them? That sounds terrible…

    Until you read the rules and realize that all kicking balls are shipped directly from the factory and handled only by the refs. So the fact that the Ravens has kicking balls that they pre-prepared means one of two things. Either the refs and everyone else didn’t care about the ball rules, or the Ravens were cheating…

    Interesting. Another example by the NFL that they didn’t care about balls until Kensil went all Postal on it.

  88. You wouldn’t deflate a K-ball. That would reduce your kicker’s range.
    ===
    To correct myself: You wouldn’t deflate your own K-balls. The other team’s – yeah- maybe. That said… that’s a way risky maneuver than messing with your own offensive balls, because the officials and the other team control them. It would be very, very easy to be detected messing with opposing K-balls.

  89. This most likely goes back to the 2012 AFCG when Billy Cundiff missed a chip shot 32 yard FG.

    Just because your kicker cant kick, doesnt mean the Patriots tampered with the kicking balls.

  90. Marshawn Lunch says:
    Aug 4, 2015 7:23 PM
    If it was “well known around the league” that the Patriots mess with the game balls, then why was it necessary for the Ravens to alert the Colts to it??

    —————————

    …and why would the Ravens take no action themselves (with a playoff game on the line, no less) yet warn another team’s coaching staff postmortem? It makes zero sense to anyone who isn’t already predisposed to blindly hate the Patriots. Maybe they just needed something to whine about and deflect attention from the fact that they blew TWO fourteen point leads.

  91. higheriqthanyou says:
    Aug 4, 2015 7:37 PM
    Documented Serial Cheaters.

    There simply is no disputing this FACT.

    Cheers.
    ———————————————————————
    Most certainly not a higheriqthan pretty much anyone

    There is simply no disputing this FACT.

    Tears…whiner.

  92. So the NFL concerned about the integrity of the game, allowed a championship game to be played half way through before stepping in to level the playing field?

  93. I’ve got to hand it to the intelligence of the Pats fans on this. Indeed, maybe the Ravens were lying, and if so, this is a big deal and must be dealt with.

    Suspend both Brady and Harbaugh each for four games. We’re halfway there. No problem.

  94. Thanks for the summary. Recall it was around 20 degrees for that game. If the locker room is at 70 – that 50 drop may significantly effect the play of the ball. And the game.

    One idea to lessen the impact – especially during extreme temp situations – is to use another gas less effected by temp to inflate the balls.
    ===
    At pressures that we can play football at, any easily available gas is going to behave this way. It’s just an immutable property of gas.

  95. Remember, the Ravens did this on the heels of Brady telling them to study up on the rule book when the Ravens were complaining that the odd formations used by the Patriots were some how illegal. The Ravens got embarrassed and used their ignorance of the ideal gas law to try and frame the Patriots. Same goes for the Dolts. Beeyotches.

  96. Boomer Esiason called the Baltimore – Colts collusion just days after the Colts got blown out. He said something like, “This is what the NFL has become now, a league of petty jealousy.” I’m paraphrasing for sure. But you get the picture. Johnny Crybaugh stood there after the game and insinuated the Pats cheated with their formations, because HE WAS TOO STUPID TO KNOW IT WAS LEGAL, right Johnny?

    Be a man Jawnny, don’t cry, admit you got out coached fair and square. Surely you are man enough to admit you were wrong? Jawnny? Jawnny?

    The day you hear Harbaugh admit he lost fair and square is the day hell freezes over. Talk about being insecure. And to think, Belichick got him the job by calling Biscotti. Harbaugh doesn’t even have the class to say thanks.

  97. Pagano also said he didn’t know anything about the footballs until after the game…. Haaaahaaaaaa the lies just keep on coming from the colts the ravens and the NFL. Wow

  98. “Two concerns came up as of yesterday on footballs at New England,” Sullivan wrote, via Ben Volin of the Boston Globe. “First off the special teams coordinator from the Baltimore Ravens called Coach Pagano and said that they had issues last week at the game that when they were kicking (Baltimore that is) they were given new footballs instead of the ones that were prepared correctly.”

    Hold on here…this is not possible…seems Volin missed something…

    The “special teams coordinator” from the Ravens Jerry Rosburg doesn’t know that the kicking balls are controlled by the referees? Really?

    That’s not possible…bad reporting Volin….whats the rest of the story?

  99. paulieorkid says:
    Aug 4, 2015 7:23 PM

    They’ve been doing these kinds of things for a decade and a half, many of the shady tactics right in the face of being warned to stop doing it.”
    ==================================

    15 years worth? Make a list, please.

  100. gotdebttoo, that is one of the most pathetic analogies I’ve ever read on PFT. Police and their radar guns, compare to handling of football/ inflation in games? What a stretch.

  101. I guess the Ravens should have thanked the Patriots for cheating yet again and kept it to themselves in reverence of the Patriots.

  102. So what if we cheat? Which team doesn’t? Deflategate is only an issue because Brady is rich, white, handsome, and has a smoking hot wife. Eat your heart out haters.

    -Pats fan

  103. gopblows says:
    Aug 4, 2015 8:31 PM
    Quick question. Why are all Patriots super bowl wins followed by scandal accusations?

    Please enlighten us on the scandals that followed the 01, 03 and 04 Super Bowl wins?

    And please don’t embarrass yourself and bring up something that was retracted 7 years ago, or a rule they were punished for that didn’t exist until 2006.

  104. The new balls entered that the ravens complained about were kicking balls handled by the officials. yes the same officials who were caught auctioning off game balls. it wasnt the patriots who messed with the kicking balls, it was the official stealing them.

    Try to keep up haters

  105. I still don’t understand people saying that Goodell and the NFL has it out for Brady and the Pats.

    It’s well known the NFL has catered to Kraft and his team for quite some time now. Goodell destroyed the spygate tapes for them. Brady is the NFL golden boy who lays golden eggs for them. Again, it makes no sense saying the NFL is out to get him.

    Brady destroys all phones, but provided phone before the time period the league asked for.

    They call the equipment guy the deflator cause he was trying to lose weight.

    Brady doesn’t squeeze footballs or notice a difference, but said in his press conference that he likes them a certain way.

    I could go on and on, but I think I made my point.

    Give up Pats fans…the gig is up.

  106. The Colts have some explaining to do 1st why were their balls also under inflated? Ye no one talks about that
    Also why are they not answering for the Jags allegations of that the Colts equip mgr was seen with a needle on the sidelines during their game together?
    But it’s for the Colts to have questionable balls just not the Pats

  107. “limakey says:
    Aug 4, 2015 8:29 PM
    It has been clear that Brady threw the rule book in the Ravens face and then they rammed it down Brady’s throat. Where he will have four games to digest it.”

    You only post lies and ignore when people correct you. You have zero credibility as a poster.

    Remember when you posted for months that Brady would never let this go to court? What do you have to say about that now?

  108. How in the world can the NFL office decide that it’s more important to prove the Patriots are cheaters than it is to let the Colts play in a fair game?

    This was for a Super Bowl birth?

    If I was an Indy fan I would be pissed tonight knowing that the NFL knew about the balls and did nothing about it. They actually let the game go an entire half.

    But when everything is said and done, no matter what happens, I am proud to be a Pats fan. Colts and Raven fans can hang their second place banners as high as they want.

    Maybe getting Brady to sit four games will give them the edge they need.

    Heard Suggs has a renewed admiration for Brady… Wonder why…

  109. Are people forgetting that one of the officials handling the kballs was fired for stealing the balls during the game and selling them at auctions?

  110. It’s pretty clear….everyone lied…..the NFL, Wells, Indy, Baltimore, ESPN…….everyone except the player and organization accused of lying and cheating.
    FIFA and the Boxing Federations have nothing on Goodell’s NFL executioners.

  111. Exactly one week after the Ravens/Pats game the NFL changed formation rules because the Pats were playing “fast and loose” to the point that Harbaugh practically burst a blood vessel. Why in the name of all that is holy didn’t they just do the same with the footballs? Why? Because Brady called out Harbaugh in the post interview about not knowing the rules, an angry call was then made to the Colts and the NFL, a few key people got behind setting up a sting at halftime, false info was leaked to an EPSN muppet, the public went crazy leading up to the Superbowl while the NFL went mum and let it happen, then spent 5 million dollars on the biggest waste of money in the history of investigations to chase a jay walking charge and help make Goodell look good again in the all important court of public opinion. And all of this nonsense that we all have to read about every single day essentially coming down to 2/100ths of a lb of PSI could have been resolved with a freaking memo. But yeah, the fix isn’t in, and Brady and the Pats deserve it…

  112. Why didn’t the Ravens go to the league BEFORE their game with the Pats if there was so much concern about FairPlay? Are they above that and figured the lowly whining Colts were just the team to carry out this botched plan?

    I have to say, as a Pats fan, the contents of this document couldn’t be much better!!! Ravens, Colts and league office totally and completely exposed from top to bottom!

  113. It is truly amazing how much of an ego Patriots fans have

    The way they talk about the Patriots beating the Ravens in the playoffs you would have thought the Patriots won 58-0.

    They won by 4 points against a Ravens team that had over 15 players on IR

    The Patriots a 14 point lead being held by the Ravens and a Lee Evans catch in the 2011 AFC Championship game in 2011 from being 0-4 against the Ravens in the playoffs in the last 5 years in their own house lol.

    The Patriots cheat again and Patriots fans blame the Ravens for pointing it out wow

  114. It is truly amazing how much of an ego Patriots fans have

    The way they talk about the Patriots beating the Ravens in the playoffs you would have thought the Patriots won 58-0.

    They won by 4 points against a Ravens team that had over 15 players on IR

    The Patriots are a 14 point lead being held by the Ravens and a Lee Evans catch in the 2011 AFC Championship game in 2011 from being 0-4 against the Ravens in the playoffs in the last 5 years in their own house lol.

    The Patriots cheat again and Patriots fans blame the Ravens for pointing it out wow

  115. wte1 says:
    Aug 4, 2015 7:48 PM
    Troy Vincent testified the first he heard about Patriots playing with deflated balls was 7 minutes before halftime of the AGCCG.

    Ryan Grigson approached him and said, “They’re playing with a small ball.”

    And of course Vincent immediately knew what he meant by small ball. A Patriots equipment guy must have stuck a needle in the footballs before the game to release air because when all of us hear “small ball” that’s the first thing to come to mind, right.

    Yeah, OK. Like this wasn’t all set up by Roger Goodell on down.

    ******************************************************************************************************************

    Yea because the NFL has nothing better to do than to frivolously go after its premier Golden Boy at the pinnacle of his “greatness”……………..

    Miss me with the “League is Conspiring against the PATS” theories! Ha Ha

    Could you please explain to me why on God’s green earth would it be in the NFL’s best interest for them to have to punish 1 of its top franchises and arguably its #1 Poster Boy?

    Think about it people, the only entity that stands to lose more off of Brady’s 4 game suspension than Brady and the PATS is the NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE!!!!

    They are more pissed about this than anybody if you really wanna know the truth! They stand to lose untold millions due to reduced advertising revenue alone.

    So I ask once again for a LOGICAL response from a PATS fan.

    I was in Cape Cod over 4th of July and had a wonderful time enjoying the holiday with plenty of PATS fans and to be honest they were nothing short of DELIGHTFUL!

    I have a Giants Logo tattoo on my left elbow and a NY Yankee Logo tattoo on my right elbow, so lets just say it was clear as day I wasn’t from Massachusetts!!!

    I had conversation with both younger and older PATS fans and one on one all admitted that they knew dude ordered the code red! Period. They admitted they would of course have his back like family and just like O.J. “if the glove don’t fit, you must acquit”.

    For the record I feel about the PATS the way I do about ARod/Clemens/McGwire/Sosa/Bonds:

    YOU WERE H.O.F. GREAT ANYWAY, WHAT WAS REALLY THE POINT ?

    —-A Giants Fan

  116. At least this transcript confirms the witch hunt. So glad all this is coming out. Fire Goodell. Free Brady.

  117. These Patriots babies need to grow up. Cheating is unconsionable and your team does it all the time. Spy on other teams. Destroy the tape. Deflate footballs. Destroy cell phones. Dirty, stinking cheaters. Many thanks to John Harbaugh for bringing it the league’s attention. And you know what else, he doesn’t owe anyone an explanation. Least of all a bunch of cheating, spying, deflating charlatans. L O L.

  118. This has gotten beyond ridiculous, if it was ” well known” amongst the other teams, the only reason nobody said anything was because everyone is trying to bend the rules to win.

    This falls on the league office for not enforcing the rules. The league is to blame for allowing the franchises to break rules week in and week out. That is poor leadership and it starts with the Commish for not making sure the game is being played fair from the get go. The league needs to accept their faults and make sure starting with this season everything is being followed. It has to be this way for the integrity of the game.

  119. billswillnevermove says:
    Aug 4, 2015 7:49 PM
    I don’t blame the Ravens. I bet they watched the Julian Edelman TD pass over and over and could see what everyone on TV could see, the indentation on the ball as he threw it… Meaning it was under inflated….not to mention his hands are as big as a 5 year old…. He couldn’t even grip a properly inflated ball. I saw it myself on TV. Watch it, up close.

    ————

    You can probably throw an inflated football. I know I can. Edelman was a college level starting QB. He can throw an inflated football. I will go watch it up close.

  120. The officials are not in total control of the K balls.

    “Once unwrapped, the footballs are hard and slippery, making them difficult to handle compared to the balls offenses use.
    The official hands the K balls off to a designated member of each organization, who is the only person with the opportunity to rub down the football. For the San Diego Chargers, a member of the equipment staff handles the responsibilities and can be spotted on the field wearing a K-vest.
    Under the official’s observation, the K ball handler has only 45 minutes to “touch up” the balls by waxing it with a wet towel or a horse-hair brush to make it less slippery.”

  121. I’m so tired of all this. The public opinion die has been cast already. The vast majority of fans believe Brady is a cheater. Period. Everyone keeps talking about the specifics of this one instance. But the public doesn’t care about the specifics because they believe this was going on for a long time. Brady will forever be tainted just like Clemons, Bonds, Armstrong, Arod, etc. The dammage is already done. It’s over.

  122. The IDEAL GAS LAW only works for the Patriots, everyone else has to fill the footballs properly, so after they are tested they remain higher than the Patriots* who are known around the league to play loose with all the rules and regulations. Its how they win* super* bowls*, and play* off* games*.

  123. “…..a league office drunk on power, overwhelmed by prejudice……” Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports

    “Roger Goodell’s NFL has shown a penchant for interpreting evidence in the harshest possible light so as to feed its zealous punishment apparatus…………..” Kevin Draper, Deadspin

  124. Maybe I’m losing it but I swear the beginning of this story had these guys going into a bathroom with the balls. If so how did the Ravens know these guys were using a needle to deflate them? Why didnt the Ravens report this to the league instead of the colts! Last why shouldn’t it be a bigger issue one team sharing secrets with another! Teams get game films! Are they now going to call up another team and discuss how to beat their next opponent?

  125. “As far as the gameballs are concerned it is well known around the league that after the Patriots gameballs are checked by the officials and brought out for game usage the ballboys for the patriots will let out some air with a ball needle because their quarterback likes a smaller football so he can grip it better.”

    Kind of solves the mystery of why a guy would walk into a bathroom with a bag full of balls to use the urinal — in a bathroom that doesn’t have a urinal.

    Busted!

  126. hairpie2 says:
    Aug 4, 2015 8:01 PM

    Ok, so lets sort this out. Based on this one piece of information above…

    Harbaugh lied
    Biscotti lied Irsay lied
    Grigson lied
    Troy Vincent lied
    Kensil lied
    Goodell lied

    Did i leave anyone out?

    Yes. Tom Brady

  127. When the Patriots won in 2001, they were the lovable 14 point underdogs with a little-known quarterback name Tom Brady, and America was still reeling from 9/11.

    While the Rams were a team of individuals (“The Greatest Show on Turf”), staring into any camera they could find (“Dynasty, Baby! Dynasty!!”), the Patriots decided to emerge from the tunnel as a team–no one man above another–marking the first time that had been done. They were coached to be quiet and respectful, complimenting the other team’s abilities and accomplishments. Then they proceeded to beat them up and down the field. The defeat of the Rams was the beginning of it all–just another premature, big-mouthed team who would lose to the Pats–to become the dynasty that never was.

    Long before there was Richard Sherman looking like he witnessed a car accident, there was stunned Rams coach Mike Martz ripping a celebratory flyer away from his face as he stormed across the field…

    Americans and football fans everywhere rejoiced. It was a perfect time to be a Patriot.

    Now, 15 years and countless wins later, they are hated by everyone not living within most of New England. They’ve become the insufferable, never-ending dynasty. They win their division before the season starts every year. They have been historically efficient. Cap-masters. The players who do very well leave for more money elsewhere and never produce like they did in NE. They are led by the soulless Belichick and the seemingly impenetrable Tom Brady–the most successful duo in the history of the sport– and they are on top yet again…

    …So who’s wondering “what inspires scandal accusations?”

  128. It’s funny how people are so easily influenced. Patriots fans calling John Harbaugh a liar because someone wrote an article saying he did something he said he didn’t. Then sight the article as prove even though the article basically requires you to just take it’s word. On the other hand they want everyone to ignore evidence that their team participated in breaking rules(cheating) though. Also this article didn’t accuse Harbaugh of alerting the Colts. It actually accused the special teams coach. It’s easier for me to believe that a head coach didn’t know one of his assistant coaches was alerting a team on information he had then for me to believe that the quarterback had nothing to do with the footballs he’d be throwing. As far as Tom Brady’s remark to learn the rulebook is concerned Harbaugh understood the rule. His problem was with the officials not doing their job. I doubt the Ravens feel any intimidation from the Patriots. If Baltimore played in the AFC East they’d win 12-14 games a year too. Most good teams would dominate that division. Since John Harbaugh has taken over the Ravens are second only to the Patriots in total wins. This is in a much more competitive division. New England fans are delusional if you believe Baltimore has any fear of New England in the playoffs or regular season.

  129. And the Ravens got offended when Brady told them to read the rulebook. Man… They are really so stupid. They should have read the rule on kicking balls before they conspire to frame the Patriots.

  130. Apparently the ideal gas law is a valid explanation for everything. The ideal gas law explains a guy calling himself the deflator, stealing the balls from the referee locker room, taking them into a locked bathroom, where the deflator claims to relieve himself in a urinal (there is no urinal in said bathroom.)

    The ideal gas law explains Brady smashing his phone the day he met with Ted Wells. Brady smashes all his phones. But his phone prior to the deflate gate phone was unsmashed.

    The ideal gas law explains the Patriots illegally videotaping opponents defensive signals.

    Thanks to the ideal gas law Matt Walsh, John Jaestremski, and McNally will be well compensated for the rest of their lives.

  131. It’s funny how many people didn’t notice that this issue about the K-ball was all discussed roughly six months ago.

    People who think this is somehow evidence of the Pats cheating are just beyond stupid. No, bad inflation of a Ravens’ K-ball has absolutely nothing to do with the Patriots, no matter how you slice it. The Pats don’t prepare the Ravens’ K-balls, the Ravens do. The Pats don’t have custody of the Ravens’ K-balls, the officials do. At no point do the Pats have any access to these balls.

    No, the fact that Grigson said that “It’s well known..blah blah blah” is not news either.

    What is news here is the fact that the Ravens alerted the Colts. Why is this news? Because Harbaugh specifically denied having done that.

    Apparently all the people on the Ravens who “knew” this never bothered to consult with anybody.

    And, as the chemistry prof says above, it seems like absolutely none of these people had any awareness that footballs lose air pressure on cold days.

  132. What were the documented pressures of every football at SB49? Does anyone think the Patriots footballs were near the pressure that Brady prefers? Do you doubt that this means he really doesn’t care that much – as long as they are not 16 psi rugby balls?

    Owner Plan B for the NFL offices is already underway.

  133. New England has a 15 year documented history of dominating the league and winning Lombardis. This year was no different. Some people reallly don’t like it.

  134. vuudu says:
    Aug 4, 2015 8:39 PM
    So the NFL concerned about the integrity of the game, allowed a championship game to be played half way through before stepping in to level the playing field?

    When Pats fans brought up this angle 6 months ago, we were called paranoid.

    The NFL devised a b.s. story to the effect that they had this kind of complaint all the time, and didn’t take it seriously. Which is why Mike Kensil and Troy Vincent were on the scene to immediately take over the process of measuring ball inflation. And swear at the Patriots. Even though neither apparently understands that footballs lose air pressure when taken from a warm environment to a cold one.

    Yes, it does seem a bit ridiculous that the NFL placed a higher priority on framing the Patriots than on ensuring that the game was played fairly.

    Why not just pass on this allegation to the Patriots before the game?

    If the NFL wanted to do a sting, they really, really, really did a piss-poor job of doing it.

  135. “First off the special teams coordinator from the Baltimore Ravens called Coach Pagano and said that they had issues last week at the game that when they were kicking (Baltimore that is) they were given new footballs instead of the ones that were prepared correctly.”
    _________________________________

    Wanna bet the same NFL official that tried to steal the kicking ball during the AFCCG also did this???? I sure do.

  136. So it turns out that after all these years it is definitely TRUE that the Patriots are the cheatingest organization in the history of American sports.

  137. The funny thing is the Ravens admitted to tampering with the kicking balls when you are supposed to only use them right out of the box. What is that word….oh cheating?

  138. “Well Known” Well its “well known” that anyone who is not a Patriots fan is cheering for a sub par team. I said its “well known” attributing the comment to absolutely no one and therefore it has to be a fact. Can you see these games that the Patriots haters play with words in an attempt to build a case of air to convict them with? I drop a rumor over here and watch it grow and come out over there. If Deflategate has proved nothing else it is that all the mostly men and some women in this billion dollar business have the egos and social skills of high school freshman. That includes the Patriots of whom I am a huge fan.

  139. I think it is strange that there is no talk about the fact that 3 out of the 4 balls that belong to Indy tested under PSI

    also why is there no talk about Indy sticking a needle in the Pats ball on the side line that is against the rules

    so why is it ok for one team but not the other

  140. As Judge Bermen would ask, can we Patriots supporters and Patriots haters both agree now that the Colts and Ravens have outright lied that they were not involved in a set-up? Despite their total denials of involvement in a potential sting, based BTW that the Patriots introduced some bad kicking balls in an earlier game- which didn’t happen because they have no control over those balls – The sting was arranged. And it is right there in the testimony. That is why the NFL did not want this transcript out. Wake up sheeple!

  141. Everyone bitches and moans about the Patriots being cheaters. Compared to the Dolphins and Ravens they are saints.

  142. Does this not totally prove that the NFL “probably” was involved in a sting operation against the Patriots despite denying that multiple times.

  143. Patriots fans so desperately don’t want to believe their team is tarnished. You simply can’t ignore what’s going on.

  144. “I heard all that, I couldn’t believe it when I heard it,” Harbaugh told Bob Costas. “It’s ridiculous, it never happened, I’ve been, I never made any call, nobody in our organization made any call. As a matter of fact, just to make sure I had all the facts, I called up Chuck Pagano and asked him, ‘Did anybody else in our organization tip you off about deflated footballs?’ and he said, ‘No way.’”

  145. To my knowledge,
    the Ravens have beaten the Patriots a few times. An AFC Championship game in early 2013 comes to mind. We do not envy you in any way.

    The Patriots NEEDED to cheat to beat the Ravens. Case closed. There is NO way to prove otherwise, because, well, they cheated.

    YES – enjoy your Lombardi – it’s yours. But you cheated and brought all this on yourself. And no one is sitting around worried about the 2014 NFL “Champions” because they are weak and needed help to win.

    They MAY have been better than the Ravens – i doubt it very much – but…we’ll never know for sure.

    That’s what cheating does – it casts doubt. Sorry Pats fans. It’s tainted and we are NOT afraid of you, do not respect you, and do not recognize your ilegitimate claim the 2015 Lombardi.

  146. Many commenters are insisting that game officials handle the kicking balls. They do. The Ravens are saying that Patriots personnel switched out the K balls. In addition, the Patriots attempted to introduce unapproved K balls into he game against the Colts by giving it to the k-ball official. “Three sources said that [Patriots employee Jim] McNally has worked Patriots games for a decade, and has been in charge of the officials’ locker room at Gillette Stadium since at least 2008. In the first half of the AFC Championship Game, McNally tried to give the unapproved football to an alternate official who was in charge of the special-teams footballs. Those footballs are known as “kicking balls” or “K balls.”

    The alternate official, Greg Yette, became suspicious when he noticed that the football McNally handed him did not have the proper markings on it, three sources said. One of those sources added that Yette found it surprising that the officials’ locker room attendant was on the field, trying to hand him a ball, because officials’ locker room attendants don’t typically have ball-handling responsibilities during NFL games. Once McNally tried to introduce the unapproved football into the game, the source said, Yette notified the NFL’s vice president of game operations, Mike Kensil, who was at the game in the press box.”

  147. I really don’t know why it matters if the Ravens alerted the Colts to the inflation issue. That’s not the crime here.

  148. Quick question. Why are all Patriots super bowl wins followed by scandal accusations?

    Please enlighten us on the scandals that followed the 01, 03 and 04 Super Bowl wins?

    And please don’t embarrass yourself and bring up something that was retracted 7 years ago, or a rule they were punished for that didn’t exist until 2006.
    _______________________
    Just because they weren’t caught illegally taping until 2007 doesn’t mean they weren’t doing it. In fact, Arlen Specter says Goodell told him that the Patriots had been illegally taping since 2000. I found that on Wiki. So yes, they are all tainted.

  149. The Ravens warned the Colts that when they were kicking (Baltimore that is) they were given new footballs instead of the ones that were prepared correctly. During the Colts game the NFL caught one of their own officials trying to introduce unapproved balls into the kicking game.

    As per an ESPN report:

    The unapproved kicking ball that sources told “Outside the Lines” that a Gillette Stadium officials’ locker room attendant tried to introduce into the AFC Championship Game was handed to the man by an NFL employee, a source told ESPN’s Adam Schefter on Wednesday.

    The source said one of the “K balls,” which are used only for special-teams play, went missing, and an NFL employee in charge of collecting balls for charity gave another ball to Jim McNally, who works the officials’ locker room at Patriots games.

    McNally then gave it to Greg Yette, an alternate official who was in charge of putting the K balls into play. When Yette saw that ball did not have the pregame marking that referee Walt Anderson had put on the ball, he became suspicious and alerted NFL officials in the press box, a source told “Outside The Lines.”

    A source told Schefter that the man in charge of collecting balls for charity in previous games has been fired by the league for selling the footballs meant for charity for a profit over a period of time.

    Conclusion:

    An NFL official was caught introducing unapproved balls into the kicking game which lead the Ravens to warn the Colts to watch the balls. The trigger for this was a dishonest NFL official.

    Sounds like this whole thing is just a case of the NFL casing their tail.

  150. seahawkboymike says:
    Aug 4, 2015 7:39 PM

    Oh, so that’s why you didn’t mention that the Ideal Gas “Law” is not a law at all but a hypothetical approximation of something that might happen under laboratory conditions, as opposed to a football stadium.

    Just fess up Bill. We all know “truthprofessor” is really you.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I’m not truthprofesssor. Heck, I’m not any kind of professor. But I’m smart enough to know that you are WRONG!

    The “Ideal Gas Law” also known as Boyle’s Law, is an immutable (look it up) law of physics that describes what happens to the pressure of ANY gas with a change in temperature. The “Ideal” part of the name is in reference to the gas being “hypothetically ideal” (as in pure), not that the pressure change is hypothetical. The only thing that will vary when you use some non-ideal (impure) gas is the amount that the pressure changes with temperature, not if it will. And that variation is small.

    Don’t believe me? Spend the time to test it for yourself in your own refrigerator. I just don’t see how ANYONE can STILL believe that this doesn’t happen EVERY SINGLE TIME.

    Even the defective Wells Report admits that the ball pressure is expected to go down by well over 1 psi with a drop of 20 degrees F. That means that any ball filled to 12.5 psi at 70 degrees and then brought out on a cold playing field WILL ALWAYS be below the 12.5psi rule spec. Likewise a ball filled to 13.5 and brought out of the AC onto a hot field will always be over the 13.5 spec. In other words, it is a very dumb rule that has no merit whatsoever.

  151. Just to add one more thing to the above: The issue has always supposed to have been about having a level playing field. The Ideal Gas Law is an equal opportunity thing. Because both teams balls are subjected to the same temperature changes, their balls will increase or decrease in pressure by the same amount. There is nothing unfair about it.

    The pressure readings on the 4 Colts balls were clearly defective because they did not lose the pressure that they should have. This has been explained away by the idea that these balls were measured after they had been allowed to warm up some, which is the only way that they could possibly have measured what they did without someone having added air to them. Because the Ideal Gas Law isn’t a suggestion, or a hypothesis, it’s a LAW

  152. If the NFL truly follows through with the plan to more strictly enforce ball security and glean more information regarding ball pressure and environmental impact on such it will be interesting to look at the results.

    My guess is we will only hear about it if it points in a derogatory fashion towards the Pats.

  153. Patriots fans voicing outrage at anyone else lying?

    HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    (I am a Pats fan!)

    (OK. I lied about that.)

    (I am a Ravens fan.)

    (OK. I didn’t lie about that.)

  154. So the league had an email that said precisely how the Patriots supposedly tampered with balls yet they had Anderson run the pregame the way he did?

    There are so many things wrong with this that it’s hard to list them without writing a novel.

  155. IT APPEARS THIS ARTICLE IS WRONG. Sean Sullivan doesn’t attribute the kicking balls to the Patriots. You can break down his email to Grigson into two parts. The first half is about kicking balls. The second half is about GAME BALLS and the Patriots.

    Agree?

  156. So the science doesn’t support any tampering in the AFCCG, and the WR + appeal hearing transcript demonstrates that Goodell and league officials flat out lied, broke their own rules, and just made things up as they went.

    And the haters continue their endless bleating of “of course the Patriots cheated because everyone knows they cheat”.

  157. seahawkboymike says:

    you didn’t mention that the Ideal Gas “Law” is not a law at all but a hypothetical approximation of something that might happen under laboratory conditions, as opposed to a football stadium.

    —-

    Um… the ideal gas law is indeed a law, like Newton’s laws of motion, or like gravity.

    The pressure/volume relationship predates the compiling of the full gas law equation, and dates back over 400 years. Yes, I said over 400 years. That is before we knew that cells even existed. That is before we knew that atoms existed.

    Since footballs and football stadiums exist in our universe, they indeed obey the laws of our universe.

    The ideal gas law is indeed an approximation, which is where the word “ideal” comes in. In it you ignore attractive forces between gas molecules, because they are very tiny for all commonly-encountered gases. Just like Newton’s laws are an approximation due to relativity effects, which are very very tiny in all commonly-encountered situations. So unless your quarterback is slinging xenon-gas-filled footballs at near the speed of light, the approximate nature of these laws are not a problem.

    me: AB, MS, Ph.D. in chemistry, now a chemistry professor, not in NE, not even born in NE

  158. Also can someone please reconcile these statements in the email from Sean Sullivan to Ryan Grigson:

    “…they [the Ravens] were given new [K] balls instead of the ones that were prepared correctly…”

    “We would like to use the [K] balls that I will break in (Balls 2, 4, and 6)…”

    with this NFL rule:

    “For all games, eight new footballs, sealed in a special box and shipped by the manufacturer to
    the Referee, will be opened in the officials’ locker room two hours and 15 minutes prior to the starting time of the game.”

  159. Week 16. Bills beat the Patriots. Tom Brady started until the 4th quarter when game was put to bed. KEEP CHEATING. VIDEO-TAPING PRACTICES, STEALING PLAYBOOKS, AND DEFLATING FOOTBALLS IS JUST SCRATCHING THE SURFACE OF HOW CORRUPT THE PATS ARE.

  160. So apparently you are oblivious to the inconsistencies of statements made by the NFL as well as the NFL’s actions. For example the NFL set the standard for ball doctoring and being evasive in 2012 with the Chargers. They caught the Chargers equip. mgr being evasive hiding towels that had a sticky substance on them. The league fined the Chargers 20K and moved on. There was no asking Rivers for his phone no investigation. So now the league suddenly needs to crack down? Nope it is Goodell realizing his credibility is shot and trying to regain it at the expense of the Patriots

  161. Jeezus it’s worse than we thought. They have been cheating for years on this issue. No wonder they win a lot of close games in bad weather.

  162. So let’s review: The Patriots seek any and every competitive advantage, their fans criticize other teams for not being as smart.

    Any other team tries to get competitive advantage and they are horrible/liars/whiners etc.

    The glass house truly shields Patriots fans from any and all unpleasant truths.

  163. If it was illegal the NFL knew about it and did nothing. Why? When a football is new it is like an ice cube so the league allows a football to be broken in . They do the same thing in baseball and both leagues allow it for all teams

  164. The funny thing is via my research the Jets Colts and Ravens have all cheated more than the Pats yet the Jets have been punished 3 times the Ravens once and the Colts have yet to be punished. The latter two are in Goodell’s ear curiouser and curiouser

  165. It’s amazing that NE Cheater fans haven’t figured that there is a price for cheating. Other teams will probably have to draw them a picture. But then they whine about being hated. Typical football player mentality!!!!!

  166. I personally think a special team of NFL reps. should be on hand at every NE Cheater’s games, for the next couple of seasons, to analyze every move they make. Force them to play by the rules, and measure their success. Call it probation if you want, but their culture has got to change.

  167. Ted Wells used the phrase more probably than not as a measure for cheating. With that in mind the Ravens Jets and Colts all have cheated more and have been punished the same amount combined as the Pats . Oh and the Pats have less cheat episodes than any of the aforementioned teams individually

    I just love haters not doing their homework then watch their arguments flounder like a fish in a boat

  168. So the Ravens organization lied about being the original whistleblowers. So lying apparently is in the best interest of the game Mr. Commissioner.
    The Ravens and Colts are a bunch of whiny rats.
    Hope your fans are proud of you. Hey Ravens you are so perfect only women beaters and a hero who got away with murder on your team. The colts just have a owner who is drug addict among other things.

  169. So the Raven’s equipment manager says its widely known the Patriots will let air out of the balls after the officials check. Then why didn’t the Ravens have officials look at the footballs the prior week during the Divisional Round? And both the Ravens and Colts say they had nothing to do with it. Integrity, I guess lying is ok Ravens and Colts. At least have the balls to man-up. Poor losers. Take your blinders off people.

  170. I am a football fan and a trial attorney. Ignore your team allegiances, ignore who “won” the game, ignore your claims of conspiracy, and consider the following bullets —

    1) Before the game, Team R warned Team C that Team P would deflate the balls with a needle because of the quarterback’s preferences.

    2) Boyle’s law applies the same on both the Team C and Team P sidelines, since both footballs are filled with the same gas, are the same size, are at the same temperature, etc.

    3) After referees check the balls, employees for Team P take the footballs into the bathroom with them.

    4) There is no league or team procedure that would require footballs to be taken into a restroom.

    5) Since Team P was previously accused of deflating balls with a needle, it looks suspicious that Team P’s employee would take footballs into a restroom.

    6) When the balls are checked, at the behest of Team C, certain of Team P’s balls are deflated below league limits.

    7) Boyle’s law did, of course, apply to the footballs that were checked. However, those same balls were also taken into a restroom for no good reason. So the genesis of how the balls fell below league minimums requires a conclusion.

    8) The man who took the balls into the bathroom, and the other man who works with equipment, deny deflating the balls.

    9) The quarterback denies deflating the balls, and denies telling the equipment managers to deflate the balls..

    10) The quarterback refers to one of the equipment managers as “The Deflater.”

    11) The quarterback refused to turn over his text messages that would show whether he did or did not send messages to The Deflater or the other equipment manager.

    12) The quarterback bought a new cell phone and physically destroyed his cell phone that was used during the deflation controversy.

    13) It is highly unusual for a person to physically destroy their cell phone when they replace it. The normal practice is to save, recycle, or sell an old cell phone.

    * * * * *
    The Patriots have to offer too many explanations for the many unusual decisions and actions taken by their employees. And remember one thing, — none of these explanations were offered under oath.

    It certainly appears, from the totality of the circumstances that, just as the Ravens predicted, the Patriots deflated the balls with a needle, to levels below league limits. The post hoc destruction of his cell phone strengthens the inference that there was something on the cell phone that Brady did not want the investigator or the court to see, possibly being instructions to deflate the balls.

    This smells, Pats fans. And if you don’t see that, I don’t know what else to say.

  171. What equally smells is the punishment precedent set by the league in 2012 when they punished the Chargers 20K for ball doctoring and being evasive no investigation called for the fined the Chargers and moved on. What smells is the Colts balls also being underinflated and they were left alone. Yet they were one of the complainants I am not saying the Pats are innocent. I just see breaks in consistency subsequently credibility with the league and the complainants

  172. truthprofessor and seahawkboymike

    Both are offering alternate explanations for HOW the balls may become deflated. But what they fail to address in discussing the deflation is

    1) How Boyle’s law interacts with a ball that is, say, deflated with a needle by a guy in a bathroom

    2) The fact that the footballs were taken into a bathroom by a Patriots employee

    3) The fact that, days prior to the game, individuals from a different team told the Patriots opponents that the Patriots would tamper with the balls because of their QB’s preferences

    In other words, though Boyle’s law might explain how a ball would naturally deflate, it does nothing to prove that, in this case, the balls were deflated ONLY due to Boyle’s law, and not because the Patriots deflated them, as the Ravens suggested they would.

    In other words, Boyle’s law is a red herring and a distraction.

  173. Just so we are clear the Pats equip guy took the balls into the mens room. In about 100 seconds he deflated the balls to equal amounts with out gauging them he had the time to do that? Somehow I doubt that. Also we are sure he didn’t go in there to pee? Last how do you explain away the Colts balls also being underinflated ?

  174. You are right the gig is up we see the league as a fraud. While Goodell tells Kraft how much he loves him he secretly is having trysts withe Colts and the Ravens. These are two teams with at least as much cheating done as the Pats and have been punished combined less than the Pats.

  175. “Sounds like a couple of teams that couldn’t beat the Pats and are whining. Get over it, and learn how to beat them.”

    The Ravens had no problem beating the Pats in 2012 and shutting them out in the second half of the game in Foxboro.

    It REALLY seems like the Pats were the ones worried about the Ravens- resorting to “pushing the rules” to win a game:

    i.e: deflated balls, trick plays, illegal formations…

  176. dandeman19 —

    Your post reminds me of a case I had. Woman was a sales person. She accused her boss (if I told you his name, you’d swear I was lying — but his first name is Dick) of engaging in certain behavior. Dick admits it when confronted — he was drunk and she was, too. He is essentially fined $250,000 when he lost a bonus.

    Two years later, she is under a manager, Jim, who worked for a competitor when she was sexually harassed. Jim reports to Joe, and Joe reports to Dick. Meaning, she is now three levels below Dick, the guy who harassed her. Jim wants to fire her. He works with Joe to do the procedures for job improvement, then they discovered she was faking sales calls, on top of sucking at sales. They take this to Dick and he approves her termination.

    You know what was one of her complaints when she sued? That the company did not “investigate” the sexual harassment claim. What the hell was there to “investigate”? He admitted he did it!! You don’t need to question a single witness to prove her case, because the perp fessed up.

    You mentioning the Chargers is similarly baseless. If they admit responsibility, what “investigation” are you expecting? If they accept and don’t appeal their punishment, what action are you suggesting the commissioner take?

    The Pats are the 180 degree opposite. They have denied responsibility, offered 101 explanations for suspicious behavior, denied access to exculpatory/incriminating text evidence, and destroyed the conveniently “broken” cell phone that just happened to contain that exculpatory/incriminating text evidence.

    Pats fan wants to discuss everything except the Pats actual conduct. Pathetic . . . .

  177. The big thing is if you want to go back and look at Randy Brown’s, John Harbaugh’s. Chuck Pagano’s, or Jerry Rosburg’s phone they can to see exactly what what was communicated and if Tom Brady had done the same, there would be no story, he would be exonerated if what he says is true. He said he always destroys his phones but the previous phone was not destroyed but was given to his kids to play with so once again Brady is a liar. In a court of law. once you are caught in a lie, your testimony can be considered lies from that point forward. Brady is a guilty as Hernandez and he is a liar. his reputation is forever tarnished, he wont be on a first round HOF ballot.

  178. No there are two things pathetic and both goto credibility to the league. One is their inconsistency of rule enforcing and punishment. One example is the Chargers were fined in 2012 20K for ball doctoring and being evasive. Yet the Chargers were only fined no investigation no calling a special investigator no asking Phillip Rivers for his phone. the second thing is the fact that ( the NFL used the formual more likely than not in regards to cheating) the twon main complainers using that formula are bigger cheaters than the Pats. The league listened to them. I am not a Pats apologist. I just want consistency and credibility in rule enforcing and punishing. The league has none now

  179. ormergoper says:
    Aug 5, 2015 11:06 AM
    I am a football fan and a trial attorney. Ignore your team allegiances, ignore who “won” the game, ignore your claims of conspiracy, and consider the following bullets —

    2) Boyle’s law applies the same on both the Team C and Team P sidelines, since both footballs are filled with the same gas, are the same size, are at the same temperature, etc.

    —————-

    You see here is your problem. Firstly, you don’t know that the balls from both teams started at the same pressure as the refs never wrote down the starting pressure for each football from each team. In fact, in many games they don’t even measure the pressure of the balls but merely “feel them”. As an attorney, you should know that your hypothesis quickly falls apart if you cannot prove all the balls started at the same (or even a known) pressure.

    This leads us to the question as to why the refs did not measure and write down each balls pressure before the game. Simple, because until this nobody actually gave a rip about ball pressure. In fact, even if the Pats did remove some air, why would they bother removing between 0.2-0.4 psi from a ball?

  180. That statement is from the ignorant o don’t research their point. The Pats aren’t even the biggest cheaters in the NFL the Jets Colts Raves are among the teams ahead of them

  181. What is going on is the credibility of the accusers is very questionable. That is the NFL there was no investigation of the Chargers in 2012 look it up they only were fined 20K The Colts balls were also underinflated. Did the Colts cry wolf to get the blame off them?

  182. Actually it is very important who tipped off the NFL. How is their credibility? What was their motive? Also the NFL’s credibility is very questionable. The Chargers 2012 situation and the fact that the Colts balls were also under inflated.

  183. “As far as the gameballs are concerned it is well known around the league that after the Patriots gameballs are checked by the officials and brought out for game usage the ballboys for the patriots will let out some air with a ball needle because their quarterback likes a smaller football so he can grip it better.”

    If this was “well-known”, then why did the Ravens need to give the Colts a heads-up on this? Maybe the Ravens should have given the Colts a heads-up that Blount and the Pats were going to run the ball down their throats!

    LOL!

  184. It’s more probable than not that John Harbaugh was generally aware that running onto the field and crying to the refs when he was confused about the rules would save him a time out if he got a penalty and it stopped the clock. There’s some integrity of the game right there for you.

  185. The bottom line here is that Brady isn’t being suspended for deflating footballs

    He’s being suspended for not cooperating and assisting Roger Goodell in framing him

    The CBA makes clear that Roger Goodell has the authority to frame players – and then when they resist, he can suspend them for 1/4th the season and dock a team a #1 draft pick

    The CBA specifically says all this – the NFLPA should have known better than to sign that!

    So this is really THEIR fault when you think about it. And if they’d just let Goodell frame players and get it over quickly we’d all be better off. Brady should just accept the 4 game penalty like a man.

    😉

  186. OK Then why did the NFL feel the need to investigate? They didn’t before in 2012 The Chargers were caught ball tampering and their equip mgr was evasive. But there was no hiring of Ted Wells There was no asking Rivers for his phone. They fined the Chargers and moved on so they violated the precedent they set

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