Kessler asked for transcript release during hearing

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Before Tuesday’s unexpected release of the Tom Brady appeal hearing transcript, it was believed that neither the NFL nor the NFLPA wanted the transcript to be released.

As it turns out, the NFLPA did.

“I would like the NFL to think about this,” NFLPA attorney Jeffrey Kessler said at page 343 of the transcript. “We have had this issue back and forth and we propose that there not be confidentiality in this matter and the NFL said they wanted confidentiality and we agreed to something and it was there. I would like to propose on behalf of the Union that we can release this transcript of this [hearing] today. I would like the NFL to think about that. That’s our proposal. . . .

“I think there is a great public interest in this and in the interest of transparency, that would be something that we would like to see done.”

The NFL declined. And maybe after studying the transcript we now know why.

197 responses to “Kessler asked for transcript release during hearing

  1. It is now known that since halftime of the AFC Champ game, the NFL was determined to do 1 thing…prove the Patriots cheated at all costs.

    They refused to correct false information; didn’t know science; lied about the process being independent before, during and after the investigation; manipulated evidence (Anderson’s best recollection); discredited testimony for no reason (Brady, Jastremski, McNally & many others); cherry picked evidence (not using the INT ball); used smoke screens to sway public opinion (Mort report; “deflator” txts; Brady “destroying” his phone); And they still have NO PROOF anything happened to those footballs.

    The only acceptable solution is to FIRE GOODELL. All NFL fans should demand this. What he and his minions have done the last 7+ months is despicable.

  2. The NFL is kind of dumb. There’s just no getting around it.

    In a battle of wits between Jeffrey Kessler and Goodell/Wells, my money is on Kessler. All the NFL really has at this point is the CBA and a process which they violated like a cheap hooker.

  3. So this is who’s running a corporation worth tens of billions of dollars??? The NFL officials are a absolute joke. Vincent looks like an idiot. Goodell looks unprepared and out of his league. The whole thing would be laughable if it wasn’t so wrong.

  4. Wouldn’t you know….it was Judy Batista of NFL.com (Goodell’s employee) that falsely reported to the world that it was Brady that requested sealed testimony. ESPN should feel better to learn that the NFL was comfortable feeding erroneous information to multiple media arms. More blatant lies initiated by Goodell’s henchmen.

  5. Things we thought that we now know.

    The NFL didn’t know that a football would go up in pressure when warmed and down in pressure when cooled.

    Kensil is all over this.

    Wells was giving the client what he wanted, to the point the client had the final edit.

    The NFL is spinning this at every turn, rather than letting the facts speak for themselves.

  6. And why not – it’s a slam dunk showing how Goodell* et al have been trying to frame and slander Brady from Day One

    I’m still amazed that Goodell* wasn’t even interested in having McNally and Jastremski on the stand. The last thing he wanted was to have them re-affirm – as they did in 7 hours and 4 separate interviews and re-interviews with Wells – that they did nothing (which explains why the footballs weren’t deflated)

    All the Haters nicely pointed out how much they wanted to see those guys give sworn testimony with penalty of perjury

    All the Patriots fans wanted the same thing

    The only one NOT interested in the truth – Goodell*

    The Emperor has no clothes – and the transcript proves it

    I hold the Owners responsible for letting this buffoon run a $10 billion operation and ruin the game we all love

  7. The league tried to steal a SB from one of its member clubs that wins “too much.” They know if they don’t cover it up this whole gravy train goes right off the tracks.

  8. Patriot haters will completely ignore this and continue their promotion of lies over truth.

    that’s fine. we’ve already been vindicated. have fun trying to survive the world destruction tour pt2.

  9. I still, for the life of me, cannot understand why at this point:

    – Brady is not exonerated
    – Patriot penalties aren’t revoked.

    After reading those transcripts and evidence thus far (or lack thereof) why is there even a court case going on?

    This is just a frivolous issue instigated by the NFL.

  10. This is … so awesome.

    I would like to personally thank Commissioner Goodell for continuing to engage in the pattern of obfuscation and poor judgment that has allowed a minor issue to transmogrify into this glorious federal case that is allowing all of us to get a great look at how the sausage is made, and is causing collateral fallout and additional, delicious, press conferences by other member clubs.

    Thank you Commissioner. You are the gift that keeps on giving.

  11. The one item from this transcript that seals everything for me is the fact that NFL counsel Pash was able to read the Wells Report and “wordsmith” it before it was released. He was allowed to slant a supposed “independent” report to fit the narrative that the NFL wanted it to fit. This violates all labor laws in this fine country and Judge Berman shouldn’t take long to make his decision.

  12. If I’m an NFL owner, I’d be saying to myself “If I ran my businesses the way Goodell runs the NFL office, I wouldn’t have enough n money for a season ticket, never mind the franchise.

  13. ***it was Judy Batista of NFL.com (Goodell’s employee) that falsely reported to the world that it was Brady that requested sealed testimony. ***

    Add that to the list of lies and misrepresentations by the nfl. Have they said anything at all thats actually true???

  14. ReligionIsForIdiots says:
    Aug 5, 2015 2:37 PM
    Zero time Superbowl champions, must suck to come to terms with the reality what everything you’ve witnessed over the last 15 years was a LIE.

    -//

    Must suck to come to terms with the reality that the team you root for isn’t as good.

  15. ReligionIsForIdiots says:Aug 5, 2015 2:37 PM

    Zero time Superbowl champions, must suck to come to terms with the reality what everything you’ve witnessed over the last 15 years was a LIE.

    ——————————————-

    You don’t believe that any more than any one else. If this were true, you would have stopped following the Game years ago.

  16. That transcript is outrageous. You have a lawyer grilling Tom Brady saying things like “just admit you like the footballs at 12.5 psi!” 12.5 is with in the legal range to begin with so Brady admitting to that would have proved his case anyways. It would be like at cross examination a lawyer saying something like “so you like driving your car at 55 mph in a 55 mph zone?”

  17. Given the information that has come to light in recent days, it’s pretty apparent that not all is on the up and up at Shield Offices in NYC. This has gone on long enough, and although it is possible to say that Brady was being “protective” in some answers, it’s a far cry from the outright fraud by Goodell, Kensil, and others.

    However, I have one question Mike. Let’s say in 3 years or so, when Tom retires, is there anything that precludes him from bringing a libel/defamation of character suit with loss of income against Goodell, Pash, Kensil, et al personally, ask for their emails and cell phones in a real court of law? Could Kraft also sue for loss of value to his franchise (this is very unlikely unless he sells the team).

    If the answer is yes, the trouble for Three Stooges in NYC is only going to get worse.

  18. I wonder why the NFL wanted this secret…
    A. And Jastremski says in substance, “He asked about you yesterday. He said it must be a lot of stress getting the balls done.” So that message we interpret in the report to mean that Tom Brady actually had a conversation with Jastremski and during that conversation, he actually asked about McNally and the statement was made by Brady that McNally must have a lot of stress getting them done, which as I said, we interpret to mean deflation, even though it was in the context of the Jets game.

    Q. Even though it was all about inflation, you interpret it to be about deflation?

    A. That’s correct, sir.

    Q. Sorry. Okay, the text, when he’s writing to his fiancé Panda and he says, “I just mentioned some of the balls. They are supposed to be 13. They were, like, 16. Do you see that?

    A. Yes.

    Q. Now, 13 would be within the legal limit, right?

    A. Yes.

    Q. So what he was saying here, he thought the balls were supposed to be 13, not lower than the legal limit? That’s what he wrote, right?

    A. That’s what he wrote.

    Q. Right. Do you have any reason to think why he would lie to his fiancé about this subject after the Jets game? What would be his motive?

    A. I didn’t say he lied to his fiancé.

    Q. Okay. So then, you believe that Mr. Jastremski truthfully told his fiancé that he
    was trying to get the balls to 13 and they came out 16, right? That was a truthful statement, you believe?

    A. Yes.

    Q. Okay. And if he was trying to get them to 13, that was not a deflation below the limit, was it?

    A. No.

    Q. Okay, thank you. Now, Mr. Wells, how much was Paul, Weiss paid to do this report?

  19. Goodell is surrounded by a cast of idiots – and seems to lack the capacity to slap them down when it’s needed.

    Likewise, it is becoming more and more obvious that “protecting the shield” means “protect the owners at any costs” up to, and including, falsely slaughtering in public one of the games greatest.

    Goodell and his team have bumbled far too many times and for far too long now – expect a change in the office before the next draft.

  20. .
    Plus, the 6.7 million dollar a year NFL lawyer, Pash, thought he was a genius for filing for affirmation in New York, depriving the NFLPA the opportunity to file in Minnesota. Thus, he would be able to keep the records under seal.

    How’s that working out for you, Jeff ?
    .

  21. I can agree that Brady should not be suspended. But you PAts supporters have to realize all the shady stuff done by your organization during this witch hunt. Seriously, the cell phone doesn’t matter, but if there is interest in it at all, why the rush to destroy it? The ball boy taking the balls in to the bathroom? Brady saying starting to say why he wanted the balls at 12.5 psi only to stop and say that he didn’t know why they chose that number? Seriously, Brady should have said he likes the balls more pliable. Because he does. And that is a fact. He even joked about it when he made the joke about Gronk spiking the ball. Yes, it’s a joke. But it does show the underlying reality that as a quarterback Brady like his footballs a certain way.

    Brady should not be suspended. But pats fans have got to own the shady stuff going on. I owned up to it when Richard Sherman beat his pee test appeal. I have consistently stated my frustration about things the Seahawks have done that aren’t good sportsmanship. Good fans are not blind to their organization’s wrong-doing. Every club has something to be upset about. And I think Tom Brady likes his footballs at 12.5 psi because he knows the Ideal Gas Law will take those footballs to below “legal” limits during post-season (cold) games. That the NFL apparently didn’t realize that would happen is ridiculous. Tom Brady didn’t break any rules, if the balls were kept at 12.5psi prior to the games. And NO ONE should be punished if the ball pressure adheres to the ideal gas law.

  22. The NFL didn’t want to release the transcript because it doesn’t support their objective.
    They leak false information to make the player/team look bad… The transcript makes the nfl look bad. Because they are.

  23. bradaka – ” It would be like at cross examination a lawyer saying something like “so you like driving your car at 55 mph in a 55 mph zone?””

    Let me take it one step further….They are trying to argue that if you prefer to drive 55mph in a 55mph zone, then it proves that you would prefer to drive say 65mph – otherwise you would likely to prefer to drive say 50mph.

    idiotic = NFL

  24. Here is another big question for the NFL, what is the result of the “internal investigation” that was done at the behest of the Patriots?

    The NFL wanted to hide the transcripts of the Brady hearing so I can imagine they do NOT want to talk about the other issue.

    Here is a paragraph from the letter Daniel Goldberg (Patriots attorney) wrote to Jeff Pash:

    “We learned last night from Ted that the issue of how League personnel handled
    the pursuit of the low psi issues, including whether there were inappropriate
    prejudgments and unfounded presumptions of wrongdoing, selective leaks of
    information and misinformation, failure to correct obviously misreported
    information, and the like, are not part of what the Paul Weiss firm has been
    asked to investigate. I understand that the League has opted to investigate
    those matters internally. Because of the significance of these issues, their
    obvious interrelationship to the matters being pursued by the Paul Weiss firm,
    and the benefits of having them investigated by individuals who are not employees
    of the League (particularly since they involve the conduct of high level League
    employees), the Patriots ask that the League add these issues to the matters that
    are being independently investigated. In our view, League personnel’s serious
    mishandling of this psi issue during and after the AFC Championship Game has
    caused the Patriots grievous harm. As a member club, we think this issue is no
    less serious than the related issues now in the hands of independent
    investigators and even more appropriate to be pursued by those who are not League
    employees, since they involve the conduct of other League employees. We would be
    happy to discuss this matter with you further.”

    How about getting that information to “sunshine?” Hopefully, Judge Berman will make this public too.

  25. Goodell decided 6 1/2 months ago that the league office would never admit they were mistaken. From that point on, somebody was screwed it was only a question of who.

  26. Brady 1
    NFL and Patriot Hater 0

    #YouLoseAgain
    #NoYouGotWHOOPEDAgain
    #JustLikeYouDeserve

    🙂

  27. The last two articles written here have nothing to do the heart of the matter, the science and the credibility of Brady.

  28. ReligionIsForIdiots says:
    Aug 5, 2015 2:37 PM
    Zero time Superbowl champions, must suck to come to terms with the reality what everything you’ve witnessed over the last 15 years was a LIE.
    =======
    Well, it looked far more real and authentic than your meaningless claim. In the real world, the NFL books show that the Patriots won all of those super bowls, they show no asterisks. Must suck to have to craft a fantasy world to make yourself feel better.

  29. That transcript is outrageous. You have a lawyer grilling Tom Brady saying things like “just admit you like the footballs at 12.5 psi!” 12.5 is with in the legal range to begin with so Brady admitting to that would have proved his case anyways. It would be like at cross examination a lawyer saying something like “so you like driving your car at 55 mph in a 55 mph zone?”

    =====
    You don’t find it the least bit weird that Brady just ‘happened’ to come up with 12.5 as the ‘best’ inflation level, despite admitting to not knowing what it felt like whether it was 13 or 16?

  30. Still doesn’t change the fact that he did not fully cooperate with the investigation. That FACT, in and of itself, is enough to be punished. NOW SHUT UP AND MOVE ON!

  31. The most hilarious aspect is Goodell sitting up there at the appeal hearing as an impartial judge. Goodell wears a lot of “hats” running the league. He is setting is own noose by letting it go to the courts. He should have squashed it early on. Brokered a workable solution for both sides. He’s not operating with a full deck and he didn’t learn anything from last year’s meltdown.

  32. And this proves what exactly? It proves nothing.

    The fact is Brady had been doctoring the balls for years and learned it from the master cheater, Belichick.

    Case closed.

  33. tom, do not settle under any circumstances.

    the nfl’s position gets flimsier with each passing minute.

    goodell = emperor with no clothes
    vincent = assistance deputy vice junior puppet
    wells = stooge
    pash = paper tiger
    mortensen = tool
    (john) harbaugh = sore loser
    grigson = whiner
    kensil = culprit (time to dryclean your interview suit mike)

  34. For the Brady give up his phone crowd.

    After watching this circus, if you were Brady, would you expect the NFL office, meaning Kensil, to protect you from irrelevant but potentially embarrassing things found on your phone. Be fair. Would you?

  35. Goodell is the biggest joke the NFL has ever seen. To try and destroy the reputation of one of the game’s great ambassadors after he won one of the greatest Super Bowls ever played has to be the sickest thing I’ve ever seen in my life. What a mean-spirited, power hungry dictator we have on our hands. But the owners could care less that their league is now a laughingstock as long as they’re making their millions.

  36. All these public relations shenanigans is turning out to be standard operating procedure for the NFL.

    Remember during the bounty accusations that they repeatedly said they had 50,000 e-mails worth of evidence? They waved it around in front of the media at every opportunity.

    We then find out that, yes, they had 50,000 pages of evidence that they collected BUT, none of those pages had one scintilla of substance relevant to the accusation of guilt. Not one. It was all smoke and mirrors. This whole debacle has been one giant PR campaign.

    How stupid do they think the players are that they would roll over and just agree to plead guilty in return for leniency???

  37. It would be very shocking for me now if Brady were suspended at all. Key points:

    1. There was no ball testing procedure at all, the NFL knew nothing about the ideal gas law and air pressure reduction in cold weather. They did a one-off testing procedure in this one game. There were no standards at all. They didn’t even record the PSI before the game. How can anyone be held accountable to that mess.

    2. No obstruction penalty has ever been punished with a suspension.

    3. Player should not be charged for a team offense. The example given, the Jets ball boys tampered with kicking balls in 2009 and the kicker wasn’t investigated or fined even though he was the only one who could have benefited. Ball boys are responsible to follow inflation procedure, not Brady. If Brady convinced them to break the rules, shame on them. They don’t report to him.

    4. No ball tampering penalty has ever been more than a small fine.

    I don’t see how any judge could see the punishment as fair based on those 4 points.

  38. deadlevelbest says:
    You don’t find it the least bit weird that Brady just ‘happened’ to come up with 12.5 as the ‘best’ inflation level, despite admitting to not knowing what it felt like whether it was 13 or 16?

    Brady said that he didn’t like them at 16, where they were in the Jets game. He had them look up the rule, which said 12.5-13.5. Then he wanted the ball boys to make sure that the refs knew the rule.

    Shocking, right, demanding that the refs know the rules. We can’t stand for THAT!

    Since the refs at the Jets game pumped them up to 16 from 13, it makes sense that you’s want them to know the rules. It also makes sense that you’d want them to start out as far a way from 16 as legally allowed.

  39. So you are telling me Goodell is still saying his #1 priority is integrity of the game? Goodell and integrity do not belong in the same sentence.

    Goodell and money do. Say your goal is increasing attention and revenue and maybe I’d believe that. Goodell models himself after Barnum, Bailey, Vince McMahon and Dana White.

  40. The fact is Tom Brady, the best QB of all time, did not do what Patriot Hater hopes he did, which is cheat by deflating footballs illegally. It is not in Brady’s M.O. to cheat. It is not in Belichick’s M.O. to cheat. It IS in their M.O. to look at the finest print for edges and advantages within the confines of the rules but that is not cheating. 🙂

    The NFL was basically caught with their pants down on this and being the unabashedly arrogant and egotistical group that they are they would rather ride this train full speed into a brick wall instead of manning up and admitting they made a mistake.

    And the fact Patriot Hater desperately hopes that a Super Bowl winning QB cheated the game says a lot about the shocking lack of respect they have for MY beloved sport of football. There are teams I hate with a passion but I would never hope that they cheated to win titles because something like that offends me personally. The fact Patriot Hater does hope that is the case says more about them than it does about the Patriots.

    That is why I love returning the favor and literally get right up in Patriot Hater’s grill, run my mouth and watch those wussies back away with their heads hanging and tails between their legs. And kick them hard on their way.

    🙂

  41. Wow the NFL just keeps looking worse and worse. I dont know how Goodell doesnt resign after this. The offices at Park Avenue need an enima also

  42. You don’t find it the least bit weird that Brady just ‘happened’ to come up with 12.5 as the ‘best’ inflation level, despite admitting to not knowing what it felt like whether it was 13 or 16?
    ===
    Uh… he could feel that something was wrong with balls at 16 PSI. Maybe he couldn’t tell that they were not 13 PSI, but he could tell that they weren’t right. That’s why he was yelling at JJ. He testified as much.

    He arbitrarily picked a legal pressure furthest from 16 PSI. Was it the lowest legal point? Yes, but it’s legal. That was just a lawyer trying to trap him into saying that he liked lower pressure balls so that the drafters of Goodell’s decision could then draw the inference that he’d like even lower balls even more.

  43. Let’s take the hater approach,

    So Roger, if you got nothing to hide, why not make this public. Afraid the BS story won’t hold up in full daylight?

  44. The funniest thing about that request is that Kessler does it about 2/3 of the way though. He doesn’t even wait until everything is said before he knows this thing is going his way.

  45. So basically the NFL is hiding things and the union wants them out. That’s what happens when someone calls you out and you know you are not being above board.

  46. deadlevelbest says:
    Aug 5, 2015 2:50 PM
    Can someone explain to me why Brady had 2 other deactivated cell phones and only destroyed the one that could have incriminated him?

    ——————————————————————

    Can someone explain to me why neither of those phones had any incriminating evidence on them if he has been deflating balls for years???

  47. Interesting that John Dowd, (“attorney, former special counsel to ex-MLB commissioner A. Bartlett Giamatti and author of the Dowd Report that led to Pete Rose’s lifetime ban from baseball”) is so opposed to how the NFL have handled deflategate.

    Here are some comments from Dowd:

    “It appears that they were trying very hard to find something adverse to Tom, and because of the weak standard, the weak facts, the lousy science, etc.,” he said. “The other thing, if I were commissioner, or counsel to the commissioner, and given how controversial that Wells Report was, I would make sure the public got an answer and a response about all the science, but it doesn’t look like Goodell looked at that critically at all, and that’s troubling to me.”

    “The one thing we did in the Rose case was everything we did that was recorded was handed over to the Rose lawyers and to the public, including all of my notes and all my colleagues’ notes. There was nothing that wasn’t put out there, because a lot’s riding on it, particularly the confidence of the public and the fans who are so important to this game.”

    This seems logical to me. Aside from being blinded by fandom of an opposing team, people should be able to see that the NFL did not run a fair process (whether they think Brady is guilty or not).

  48. Is this too simplistic:

    You can sandpaper a football, rub it with leather glovers, rub it with dirt, wash it, put it in a dryer, use Lexoil on it, scuff it, practice with it for weeks, but OMG! you can’t play at 12.1 psi. THAT’S CHEATING!

  49. “Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely” – Lord Acton.

    Still holds true today as this story continues to unfold.

  50. All that matters when all this subterfuge on Team Brady’s part clears is what Jastremski and the other goomba say. If they are all going to court, lets make them all place their hand on the “Good Book” and testify under law. Lets see how much weight the “DEFLATOR” actually lost. Oh and BTW, Brady, don’t go destroying anymore evidence. Work on your poker face, too. But by all means please wear that stupid, goofy Dr. Suess hat.

  51. And given Troy Vincent’s testimony, the NFL would have been better if he didn’t read the Wells Report just like he said he never read the Wells/Incognito report.

  52. Amazing how nobody wanted goodell fired when he punished dallas and Washington for being the only teams not colluding during an uncapped year stealing millions of cap money

  53. It is interesting that the Pats and Brady did not complain about the league destroying the spygate evidence.

    It is a shame we will never see that evidence.

    As for the transcript, Brady does not come across so well for many of the reasons others have mentioned.

    I am glad it came out to shine a light on both the NFL and Brady/Pats.

  54. Comparing the transcript to the Wells report it is beyond clear that Vincent LIED about when he was informed about the balls.

    Go ahead, read both then come back and explain how Vincent can be telling two different truths about the when he knew.

    You were on the phone to the sidelines before you were told about the balls? Really? Apparently you’ve cracked the whole time warp conundrum.

    Goodell – LIAR – perjurer – by your own transcript
    Vincent – LIAR – perjurer – by your overlord’s trtanscript
    Kensil – LIAR – weasel – ex J_E_T nuff said

  55. firecracker87 says:
    Aug 5, 2015 2:42 PM
    I still, for the life of me, cannot understand why at this point:

    – Brady is not exonerated
    – Patriot penalties aren’t revoked.
    ____________________
    So very true.

    As a Patriots fan it helps put Robert Kraft’s action of accepting the penalties into light – I hate the decision, but it is clear that he felt that paying a steep price for doing nothing was the best option.

    It also amazes me that Goodell did not take Kraft’s decision and run like heck. Think about the win that would have been for Goodell with the owners that wanted the Patriots knocked back down a couple of pegs – he could have privately bragged that he got 2 draft picks and a million bucks out of a team that did nothing wrong – to the owners he wold have been an evil master genius. Instead he overplayed his hand and will hopefully pay for it with his job.

  56. routerunner says:
    Aug 5, 2015 3:01 PM

    So you are telling me Goodell is still saying his #1 priority is integrity of the game? Goodell and integrity do not belong in the same sentence.

    Goodell and money do. Say your goal is increasing attention and revenue and maybe I’d believe that. Goodell models himself after Barnum, Bailey, Vince McMahon and Dana White.

    —————

    That is a pretty good point. If integrity of the game were the priority then Goodell could have went out of his way to run a fair process and been perceived as a truly neutral party. Starting with questioning the Wells report when applying the initial punishment and then allowing a neutral third party to hear the appeal. Then he could have at least looked at the current lack of PSI measurement procedures and the precedent he was setting with the penalty. Why force it through only to end up here?

  57. trollaikman8 says:
    Aug 5, 2015 3:17 PM

    Say it with me:

    4 game suspension upheld.

    ———-

    Even if Brady is guilty, why a 4 game suspension based on everything that has come out in the last 2 days? It’s not logical.

  58. bigbenh8tr says:
    Aug 5, 2015 3:14 PM

    Amazing how nobody wanted goodell fired when he punished dallas and Washington for being the only teams not colluding during an uncapped year stealing millions of cap money

    ————-

    I am sure you can go back and look and you will see lots of posts on here to fire Goodell at that time. Every article has at least one.

  59. I hope the Patriots get the 2016 1st Round pick back. This entire saga is ridiculous.

  60. Every time Pats fans and Brady defenders get all excited about the way they see things they get slapped back down. Get ready for Brady to serve his suspension.

  61. bigbenh8tr says:
    Aug 5, 2015 3:14 PM

    Amazing how nobody wanted goodell fired when he punished dallas and Washington for being the only teams not colluding during an uncapped year stealing millions of cap money

    ——-

    EXCEPT the Cowboys and Redskin were actually guilty of the wrong doing. And again there is not one ounce of direct evidence that anything happened to the footballs. In fact, science proves nothing nefarious happened.

  62. You know what pisses me off about this… Goodell will keep his job. All the other Patriots hating owners will get in line behind him and prop him up.

    It is safe to say that if the CBA was not protecting Goodell right now… The Patriots would get back their money, the draft picks and Tom Brady would be exonerated.

    I can’t believe they let such a small insignificant issue get this out of control… It is amazing to me…

    WOW… they need to clean house… and soon.

  63. ReligionIsForIdiots says:
    Aug 5, 2015 2:37 PM

    Zero time Superbowl champions, must suck to come to terms with the reality what everything you’ve witnessed over the last 15 years was a LIE.
    ——————————————————
    That’s your story and you’re sticking to it. Admirable. Just like Patriots fans who believed it was a set up, frame job all along. One difference. The Pats fans get more and more proof hourly that they were right and your take looks more and more pathetic. The truth shall set you free. Stop the hate and join us.

  64. pwb44 says:
    Aug 5, 2015 3:15 PM
    It is interesting that the Pats and Brady did not complain about the league destroying the spygate evidence.

    ===============================

    Evidence of which they admitted to guilt and were punished? “Bill, you can’t record from the sideline any more. The camera is supposed to be up there! We sent you the memo!”

  65. pwb44 says:
    Aug 5, 2015 3:15 PM

    It is interesting that the Pats and Brady did not complain about the league destroying the spygate evidence.

    It is a shame we will never see that evidence.

    As for the transcript, Brady does not come across so well for many of the reasons others have mentioned.

    I am glad it came out to shine a light on both the NFL and Brady/Pats.

    ————-

    Belichick complained about the entire spygate penalty (including the destruction of the tapes), which they felt they did not acquire illegally. In the end they just had to accept the penalty as they did break a rule.

    He also said as much recently when questioned about it as part of his deflategate press conference.

  66. Judge : Mr. Brady, Are you a Witch?

    Brady : No, your Honor – DEFINITELY NOT.

    Judge : Mr. Goodell, Please show me your hunting license.

    Goodell : I do not have one your Honor.

    Judge : OK Then, Mr. Brady is not a Witch and you, Mr. Goodell, do not have a valid hunting license. This was too easy – Suspensions DENIED and NO FINES. Mr. Brady, you are free to go.

    Mr. Goodell, you stay here as we need to assess the fines for staging an ILLEGAL Witch Hunt and doing so without a valid hunting license. I also want to know the names of everyone who was part of the Hunting Party – and I want to see everyone’s phones

  67. deadlevelbest says:
    Aug 5, 2015 2:52 PM

    =====
    You don’t find it the least bit weird that Brady just ‘happened’ to come up with 12.5 as the ‘best’ inflation level, despite admitting to not knowing what it felt like whether it was 13 or 16?

    ______
    Happened to or discussed it with ball boy. I would imagine when this all came up his goal was to get as far away from 16PSI ball as he could as he hated the touch of that ball. Safe to assume they just went with lowest legal limit, especially after he learns the Refs inflate them high sometimes.

  68. From the perspective of the NFL rules, how exactly is the ball boy taking balls into the bathroom any different than a ball boy warming them up using a space heater (E.g. Car vs Min 11/14)????? It’s the exact same rule violation !!!!!!!!!!

  69. bradyakagod says:
    Aug 5, 2015 2:45 PM
    That transcript is outrageous. You have a lawyer grilling Tom Brady saying things like “just admit you like the footballs at 12.5 psi!” 12.5 is with in the legal range to begin with so Brady admitting to that would have proved his case anyways. It would be like at cross examination a lawyer saying something like “so you like driving your car at 55 mph in a 55 mph zone?”

    =======
    True. But also from the perspective of someone who insists that Brady has an illegal deflation scheme going, why would it even be important for him to have the balls at exactly 12.5? His henchman is supposedly going to deflate them down to 11 or so (in reality 12.1) where he REALLY likes it. What difference would it make if they started at 12.5 or 13.5?

    The NFL accusations don’t make sense even on their own terms. But of course that’s par for the course.

  70. Balls were deflated (or inflated) to a different PSI than the Colts’ balls.

    Do we know what the starting PSI was?

    Brady made it clear years ago that he liked his balls a certain way.

    The balls were taken into the restroom (against league rules) by the ball boy.

    Brady’s phone is no longer available.

    Don’t see how he is going to be vindicated.

  71. Seeing I live mere miles away from Goodells summer home in Maine I drive by occasionally hoping to see the for sale sign go up. After he’s fired or resigns he can’t afford that place. Couldn’t happen to a sleazier guy.

  72. Spygate infraction was not taping signals. It was taping signals in a non-designated area. I get the cheating mantra but at least do it with correct facts.

  73. Outfrickinrageous!!!!! Before I just wanted all this to go away……I didn’t care if Roger got called out on it or not. Now I want his head!!!!

  74. If Goodell looks up and sees Mara, Jones and Rooney walking into his office, he should just go quietly. They will be there for his head. You always send the friends to do the dirty work.

    Et tu, Brute?

  75. The last two articles written here have nothing to do the heart of the matter, the science and the credibility of Brady.
    ===
    That’s not the heart of the matter according to either the NFL or the NFLPA’s briefs.

  76. No excuse at all for not turning the phone over. It’s like refusing a breathalyzer. Guilty as charged.

  77. “bigbenh8tr says:
    Aug 5, 2015 3:14 PM

    Amazing how nobody wanted goodell fired when he punished dallas and Washington for being the only teams not colluding during an uncapped year stealing millions of cap money”


    They were told not to do what they did. They did it anyway. It’s completely different. Had it been the Pats the penalties would have been 10x harsher, just like with everything else the Pats get involved with

  78. I can understand the NFLPA being coerced into agreeing to keep the transcripts sealed, but they did agree and doesn’t condone their publicizing them in court. Judge Berman didn’t subpoena the document, the NFLPA simply submitted it to the court, and to the public. It looks to me like they went back on the deal.

  79. notmanning says:
    Aug 5, 2015 3:32 PM
    ……..
    Don’t see how he is going to be vindicated.

    1. In his ruling, Goodell lied about Brady’s testimony regarding his conversations with Jastremski (mis-characterized according to Esquire Florio).

    2. Jeff Pash, the NFL General Counsel, edited the allegedly “independent” Wells Report (you just can’t make this stuff up).

    The Judge will be ruling on whether the arbitration was fair/unbiased (was there evident partiality or corruption by the arbitrator(s)?). And we know the arbitrator lied in his ruling about important testimony (corruption and evident partiality), and we know the NFL executive team had the final say in how the allegedly independent investigation was reported (corruption and evident partiality).

    Don’t see how Brady is not going to be vindicated.

  80. ftblfan9 says:
    Aug 5, 2015 3:11 PM

    Is this too simplistic:

    You can sandpaper a football, rub it with leather glovers, rub it with dirt, wash it, put it in a dryer, use Lexoil on it, scuff it, practice with it for weeks, but OMG! you can’t play at 12.1 psi. THAT’S CHEATING!
    ———————————————————-
    Preach brother! Outstanding post that clearly points out the stupidity of this entire freak show put on by a vindictive bunch of owners, coaches and NFL league officers. I tip my cap to you sir.

  81. Whatever the NFL wanted to keep confidential appears to be at risk of becoming public knowledge, because the NFLPA has no problem with the public knowing.

    Could it be that Keesler is holding some cards to force a settlement?

    …looks that way.

    I say drop the hammer…the public deserves to know the full story.

  82. Say it with me:

    4 game suspension upheld.

    —–

    “I DARE Brady to take this to court”
    -Patriot Hater

    “Brady will never take this to court. He will accept his 4 games”
    -Patriot Hater

    Say it kind of like that?

    🙂

  83. notmanning says:
    Aug 5, 2015 3:32 PM

    Don’t see how he is going to be vindicated.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    ATTENTION Haters : If you don’t let go of the hate the BLINDNESS will only get worse and may even become irreversible.

  84. bigbenh8tr says:
    Aug 5, 2015 3:14 PM

    Amazing how nobody wanted goodell fired when he punished dallas and Washington for being the only teams not colluding during an uncapped year stealing millions of cap money

    ————————————–

    I’ve wanted Goodell fired for a long time.

    The problem with the uncapped year issue? The Redskins and Cowboys were wusses. They just had to nudge back. There was clearly no cap that year and the owners got together and said “Don’t spend over the current cap”. That is collusion. Would have been easy to prove. Just whispering they were going to sue would have removed the cap hits.

  85. jnasty5000akajungguns says:Aug 5, 2015 2:52 PM

    Still doesn’t change the fact that he did not fully cooperate with the investigation. That FACT, in and of itself, is enough to be punished. NOW SHUT UP AND MOVE ON!

    DING DING DING! So let’s go over punishments for not fully cooperating. Brett Favre was fined 50k for not turning over his cell phone. No draft picks. No team fine. No suspension.

    That’s exactly why Brady has to fight the case. The NFL far overstepped their bounds on punishment. You’re on the side of the Patriots if you think that way and you’re so blinded by their success that you can’t even see it.

    Success breeds contempt. No 2 teams know this more over the past 20 years than the Pats and Packers.

  86. After reading the entire transcripts, I’m not seeing where the NFL looks any worse than Brady here. Sure, there was no protocol in place for testing footballs, but that’s why Exponent did all of the experiments – so they could determine the effects of environmental conditions on the balls (I also thought the Exponent scientists did a good job explaining why the criticisms that Patriots fans relied on didn’t hold water – AEI not even using the correct statistial model to try to replicate the findings – crash and burn LOL). As for the pregame measurements, in order to not believe the 12.5 figure used for the Pariots, you’d have to discount several pieces of testimony from the Patriots as well.

    As for Brady, this exchange when Brady was trying to blame the new procedure for preparing the balls (that they just happened to use for this one game only) where they “gloved” the balls longer than usual (the Belichick defense) says it all:

    “COMMISSIONER GOODELL: You said you told them to continue to rub the ball a little bit. And I’m just, I’m making it up. If they rubbed it for two hours, there still would have been an hour to two hours before the referee saw it, I believe?

    MR. BRADY: Yeah. I’m not sure what happened.

    MR. KESSLER: You know what? The facts are too confused here. I’m just going to drop this subject. I don’t think it’s significant to the overall analysis. I have no further questions.”

    Translation: We just got caught making stuff up. Nothing to see…let’s move along.

  87. What frustrates me about this is the haters continue down the same path no matter how bad the NFL looks in this. It’s always the same points, that have been explained ad nauseum.

    The bathroom. The guy is in there for 90 seconds with 2 ball bags and he has the ability to open the bag turn each ball and let a precise amount of air out so that all the balls are still around the same psi? How about the guy was sitting in the officials locker room full of people and when the early game that day ended he bolted for the field. And right before he went on the field he had a thought like “Gee, it’s 50 degrees outside and raining, I’m going to spend the next 3 plus hours outside in that rain, maybe I should pee before I head out there.” It’s kind of the same logic a parent uses when they’re about to take a kid on a long road trip.

    The phone. Well Brady was not turning his phone over to any investigation. Even though they are relatively new devices no player has ever turned his personal phone over for the league to check, doing so would set a precedent for all future player investigations. If the NFL wants to investigate players’ phones let them try to negotiate that in the next CBA. Also, if the NFL was so hell bent on seeing the messages and emails from the phone, just because a phone is broken doesn’t mean all the info/data magically disappears into the ether. All those messages and emails can be retrieved by contacting the cell company (or asking the NSA). In fact, Brady offered to do so for the NFL, but the NFL said no.

    The fired guys. Well the guys weren’t fired, the NFL made the team suspend the guys, the Pats were not going to fire them until forced to do so by the league.

    The team fine. As a Pats fan this one urked me the most, because it seemed kind of evident early that science was going to prove no wrongdoing, but Mr Kraft “took one for the team” in the hopes that the league could act like “justice was served” and it backfired.

  88. No excuse at all for not turning the phone over. It’s like refusing a breathalyzer. Guilty as charged.
    ===
    That’s implied consent and it has little to do with law of shop.

  89. more from the transcript,

    Grigson also lied about timing vis-a-vis when he first knew about balls

    read the transcript and the (NFL edited so-called independent) wells report. The truth jumps right out.

  90. The league has screwed this up completely. The team owners (especially Kraft) only have themselves to blame. Goodell is their man. Their rep.

    The Players Union now holds the upper hand. No longer will any ruling from the Commisioners office be respected. It will always be appealed from here on. Why? Because Goodell ran a crooked investigation and the details are become revealed. He could have nipped it all in the bud but he over reacted and even when he became aware that he was wrong, he pressed and doubled down on the tainted Wells Report.

    The CBA is worthless from here on, as far as league punishment is concerned.

  91. I see all the LIARS coming out in full force to hold onto the last few threads that they are dangling from.

    You can cry cheaters and anything you want – you still lose and PATRIOTS & BRADY win AGAIN.

  92. whywerule says:
    Aug 5, 2015 3:42 PM

    2. Jeff Pash, the NFL General Counsel, edited the allegedly “independent” Wells Report (you just can’t make this stuff up).

    ____________________________________

    Apparently you can because I just re-read Well’s testimony and there is nothing in any way shape or form that indicates Pash “edited” the Wells report.

    The misinformation campaign is still in full force….

  93. Roger refuses to release the appeal transcript to the public. Wells refuses to turn over his witness notes. Judge Richard Berman orders the transcripts made public after warning both sides to tone it down and work it out between them. Judge then proceeds to crank up the rhetoric with that release. Transcript shows pattern of lying on the part of NFL officials and Ted Wells. I think Judge Berman already made up his mind and the NFL along with the haters aren’t going to like it.

  94. Now that the NFL know that footballs can have varying PSI readings due to weather conditions, what are they going to do? Are they going to have a guy at every game constantly checking the air pressure of footballs, adding some here, and taking some out there, in order to keep them within that magical window of 12.5-13.5 PSI?

  95. “I can understand the NFLPA being coerced into agreeing to keep the transcripts sealed, but they did agree and doesn’t condone their publicizing them in court. Judge Berman didn’t subpoena the document, the NFLPA simply submitted it to the court, and to the public. It looks to me like they went back on the deal”

    So the league is allowed to outright lie, misinform, misdirect, and violate all credible standards of a fair investigation, then want all evidence of their lies and misinformation sealed, yet the NFLPA is going back on “the deal” ?

    How does not virtually every step the league has taken in this farce not a violation of the CBA in numerous different ways ? Why is the league willfully and repeatedly violating the CBA to try and slag Brady not “going back on the deal” ?

  96. Conservatarian TX says:
    Aug 5, 2015 3:57 PM

    whywerule says:
    Aug 5, 2015 3:42 PM

    2. Jeff Pash, the NFL General Counsel, edited the allegedly “independent” Wells Report (you just can’t make this stuff up).

    ____________________________________

    Apparently you can because I just re-read Well’s testimony and there is nothing in any way shape or form that indicates Pash “edited” the Wells report.

    The misinformation campaign is still in full force….
    ———————————-

    It’s more probable than not that T. Wells was generally aware that J. Pash put his stamp on the Wells Report.

  97. BREAKING NEWS

    Brady just acknowledged to the Judge why he has the footballs set to 12.5 psi.

    Brady said – ” I like the footballs to bet set to 12.5 psi for two reasons your honor.

    1.) 12 is my Number – Duh

    2.) 5 is the number of SB Rings I will retire with.

  98. limakey says:
    Aug 5, 2015 2:51 PM
    The last two articles written here have nothing to do the heart of the matter, the science and the credibility of Brady.
    ——————
    At this point, you’ve got to be kidding me. The science exonerates Brady. And credibility, wow, look at the sham the NFL has orchestrated to keep hating on Brady for this fairy tale by Goodell is just ignorant.

  99. smasonsmith says:
    Aug 5, 2015 3:53 PM

    No excuse at all for not turning the phone over. It’s like refusing a breathalyzer. Guilty as charged.
    ____________
    Actually, there is a great excuse for it. His union is telling him that he doesn’t and shouldn’t give it up. It didn’t matter if he destroyed it or not. It doesn’t matter if it has a smoking gun in it or not. He wasn’t going to give it Wells at any point. It doesn’t matter how much you and your ilk whine and cry cheater for not giving it up. He never had to. It’s an irrelevant piece of information at that point. And yet Brady still set a never-before-seen precedent by handing over all of his emails and every bit of phone record he could find. And the man still yet offered to help them track down the messages he couldn’t. How are those the actions of a guilty man? His original stance was entirely based on his union status and the protection of his right to privacy, and he waived it for the appeal because the league was so hung up on it and not only did they punish him despite him coming forward with the info they refused to even look into the records. It’s unbelievable how many haters are so hung up on this.

  100. mmack66 says:
    Aug 5, 2015 4:06 PM
    —-
    Apparently you can because I just re-read Well’s testimony and there is nothing in any way shape or form that indicates Pash “edited” the Wells report.

    On page 269 Wells admits that Pash read a draft of the report and sent Wells’ team comments about the reports contents. According to Wells it was only “wordsmithing”.

    Sounds like a nice term for editing.

  101. Alas, how many people are ignoring the truth?

    Where is the collective outrage?

    What the NFL did was outrageous.

    I am still shocked by many of these revelations. They just believed they could railroad the greatest player in the history of the game and it (hopefully) almost worked.

    Kessler, used the CBA against the NFL. That’s the way you beat institutions. You use their own overly legal docs against them.

  102. I can understand the NFLPA being coerced into agreeing to keep the transcripts sealed, but they did agree and doesn’t condone their publicizing them in court. Judge Berman didn’t subpoena the document, the NFLPA simply submitted it to the court, and to the public. It looks to me like they went back on the deal
    ===
    That’s not what happened. This is the timeline:

    The NFL wanted to keep documents sealed. The NFLPA had an agreement with the NFL that certain documents would stay sealed. The NFLPA wanted to unseal the documents after the arbitration hearing. The NFL said no. The documents remained sealed.

    When the NFLPA filed its response to the NFL’s lawsuit in NY, it filed certain documents under seal citing it agreement with the league. Judge Berman decided that sealed documents were not in the interest of justice in this case, so he order sealed documents unsealed and told the parties that he would not allow the filing of sealed documents. The NFLPA then filed this document as it pertains to their arguments.

    Thus – thanks Judge Berman -we get to read this treasure trove of ineptitude.

  103. With all the evidence clearly pointing to a witch hunt conducted by the clown car that is the NFL front office, I can’t believe that some people are still questioning Brady’s credibility!!

    I hope that no one is ever adjudged and punished by the same standard used by the NFL.

    SMH.

  104. Now I have some questions for the haters.

    Why if the Colts alerted the NFL about psi concerns 2 days before the game did the NFL not have extremely strict protocols in place prior to the game concerning the handling of the footballs?

    Why did the NFL leave the Mort bad information out in the public without refuting it for months even though they knew it was incorrect?

    Why did Goodell say in his 20 page appeal decision say that Brady was unreliable when he stated the increased communication with the equipment manager was “solely related to ball preparation for the Super Bowl” when it plainly states in the deposition that he had contacted Jastremski to try and figure out what happened to the balls?

    Why did the NFL not call Jastremski and McNally to the Brady appeal hearing?

    Why is McNally not quoted once, ever, in the Wells report?

    Why are the Wells notes subject to attorney-client privilege if Wells is an independent investigator?

  105. moosey7195 says: Aug 5, 2015 4:10 PM

    smasonsmith says:
    Aug 5, 2015 3:53 PM

    No excuse at all for not turning the phone over. It’s like refusing a breathalyzer. Guilty as charged.
    ====

    That was me quoting someone, Moosey, but no worries. WordPress is terrible at replies.

    I agree with the rest of your comment. Comparing implied consent and DUIs to law of shop and CBAs is lazy and incorrect.

  106. One clear thing in all of this…Even if the suspension is upheld — based on no procedural violations (of which there were many) — the NFL has lost here maybe more than Brady, who just won his 4th Super Bowl against the best defense in the league with fully inflated balls. The NFL looks like a total clown show.

  107. coloradical420 says:
    Aug 5, 2015 3:13 PM

    All that matters when all this subterfuge on Team Brady’s part clears is what Jastremski and the other goomba say. If they are all going to court, lets make them all place their hand on the “Good Book” and testify under law. Lets see how much weight the “DEFLATOR” actually lost. Oh and BTW, Brady, don’t go destroying anymore evidence. Work on your poker face, too. But by all means please wear that stupid, goofy Dr. Suess hat.

    —————

    Sorry to disappoint, but none of that will be rehashed. That isn’t why the Judge is there. He will just decide if the NFL can punish Brady based on their findings and how much they can punish Brady. If he thinks it’s currently fair, then it’s over. 4 games. If he thinks it wasn’t fair it could be anything from no punishment at all to a lessor suspension.

    Hard to see how a judge will find it fair, but you never know.

  108. Can a Patriots hater please explain to me why Brady would bring the PSI rule to the attention of the refs (as he did in October) if he was, at that time, engaged in a secret conspiracy with the equipment guys to take care of the PSI themselves (in a bathroom)?

  109. I want to take a moment to personally thank Mike Florio for being one, if not the only one national source to continue to impartially break down for we laymen the inner meanings of the copious amounts of lawyer talk in this case. He has popped Brady and the Patriots when he deemed it was the thing to do and he courageously questioned the high and mighty NFL at great peril to his being able to acquire inside information from inside NFL sources. Same goes for Shefty at that 4 letter network who today on Mike and Mike simply stated he believes Tom Brady.

  110. whywerule says:
    Aug 5, 2015 4:18 PM

    mmack66 says:
    Aug 5, 2015 4:06 PM
    —-
    Apparently you can because I just re-read Well’s testimony and there is nothing in any way shape or form that indicates Pash “edited” the Wells report.

    On page 269 Wells admits that Pash read a draft of the report and sent Wells’ team comments about the reports contents. According to Wells it was only “wordsmithing”.

    Sounds like a nice term for editing.

    —————-

    Oh my god… Pash provided comments for the doc? That’s the same thing as the NFL writing it themselves.

    That’s not unexpected since they were paid by the NFL, but it’s far from independent, which is what was claimed. That’s as big a screw up as Brady destroying his phone. Pash should not have looked at it once before it was finished and submitted and he should have been playing devils advocate for the 1 of the 32 teams he represents to make sure that the report findings were just.

  111. All Time Best QB, Joe Montana

    4-0 thats 1.000% winning percentage

    FACT

  112. Conservatarian tx:

    If you had been given as short a time limit as Brady to put on your appeal and an issue had gotten confusing and unproductive, you would have dropped it and moved on also – as they had other, bigger, issues to get to.

    So saying that because they dropped something to move on shows that it was damaging is nonsense.

  113. I can just see Goodell sending a worker into Pash’s office, while Pash is sitting at his mahogany desk, pulling out a tape measure and start measuring the windows for treatments, the floors for coverings, and the walls for wood paneling and new framed pictures. It is more likely than not that Mr. Pash will be seeking new employment within two weeks. And then, after Goodell is finished with that task, the 32 owners will send someone to Goodell’s office. Leona Helmsley would approve of this method.

  114. t38267 says:
    Aug 5, 2015 4:25 PM
    Can a Patriots hater please explain to me why Brady would bring the PSI rule to the attention of the refs (as he did in October) if he was, at that time, engaged in a secret conspiracy with the equipment guys to take care of the PSI themselves (in a bathroom)?

    =====
    Because the ball boys didn’t do what they were supposed to, he was mad, remember the texts?

    Also, how did he bring that to their attention without knowing the rules as he supposedly said he did not?

  115. ReligionIsForIdiots says:
    Aug 5, 2015 2:37 PM

    Zero time Superbowl champions, must suck to come to terms

    with the reality what everything you’ve witnessed over the

    last 15 years was a LIE.

    “ReligionIsForIdiots” appears to be very, very religious.

  116. Why did Tom have his assistant physically destroy the phone and render from the wireless company telling us that the messages are irrecoverable.

    too evasive

    too obtuse

    totally lying.

    What did BB know…..I am sure a ton

  117. absolutely hilarious…..

    muffedpunts says:

    goodell = emperor with no clothes
    vincent = assistance deputy vice junior puppet
    wells = stooge
    pash = paper tiger
    mortensen = tool
    (john) harbaugh = sore loser
    grigson = whiner
    kensil = culprit (time to dryclean your interview suit mike)

  118. All Time Best QB, Joe Montana

    4-0 thats 1.000% winning percentage

    FACT
    ===
    So you think winning four conference championships is more impressive than winning six?

    Very interesting.

  119. STILLlolatpatscheaters says:
    Aug 5, 2015 4:30 PM
    All Time Best QB, Joe Montana

    4-0 thats 1.000% winning percentage

    FACT
    ________________________________________

    Joe Montana* won* 4* SuperBowls* with the 49rs* (the only 4 he made it to) with Jerry Rice* and his stickum.

    FACT

  120. The ‘investigation’ was a $5 million fishing trip where they were instructed to go fishing for suckers. Well$ reeled in a Big One and brought it to Goodell.

    To Goodell’s surprise he ‘Believed’ they had caught a World Record Red-White & Blue Tuna.

    When Goodell brought in the prized ‘catch’ to be weighed, the Judge informed him – “This is no Tuna – You caught a THRESHER SHARK !!!
    At which point the THRESHER (Brady/Kessler) turned and bit off the head of Goodell.

    Shark Activists soon came to the rescue and released the THRESHER back unto the field of play where more THRESHING is soon to take place.

  121. I can tell when my 4 year old is lying to me and I can tell when Brady is lying to everyone.

    Why all texts to ball boy, why ball called the deflator, why Brady Destoy his phone the day of meeting, why did bill throw brady under bus on day one, why does brady shake when you ask him a question?

    Just because his fans blindly believe and follow does not make him in innocent. Brady and the pats cheated to gain advantage in how many games we will never know.

    Brady will always be known as a cheater no matter how messy the lawyers make it. Lookin the mirror tonight New England and see a cheater and a fan that is ok with that.

  122. If we are asking questions.. here’s one.

    Why does the letter that David Gardi (Sr. V.P. of Football Operations) sent to Mr. Kraft on the 19th of January, that informed him that the N.F.L. would be conducting an investigation, clearly state that:

    “In fact, one of the game balls was inflated to 10.1psi, far below the requirement of 12.5 to 13.5psi. In contrast, each of the Colts game balls that was inspected met the requirements set forth above.”

    This is glaringly, false. Yet this is the Sr. VP of Football Ops writing to the OWNER of the Patriots. It is quite interesting to note that the 10.1psi just so happens to be the number Mort was given.

  123. STILLlolatpatscheaters says:
    Aug 5, 2015 4:37 PM
    Why did Tom have his assistant physically destroy the phone and render from the wireless company telling us that the messages are irrecoverable.

    too evasive

    too obtuse

    totally lying.

    What did BB know…..I am sure a ton
    ————————-
    You folks are going to be sorely disappointed, because unless you have your head in the sand this is a fabrication by the league and Brady’s not going to sit 1 game. This is more apparent as the days go by. Next comes the defamation suit.

  124. SI on Godell and Ray Rice

    “The NFL-commissioned Robert Mueller Report is 96 pages long, and let’s face it: Most of you won’t read it. You don’t have the time or necessary caffeine. You will just see the headlines that there is ‘NO EVIDENCE NFL SAW RICE VIDEO’ and hear NFL commissioner Roger Goodell declare victory.

    But don’t be fooled, Goodell and the NFL lied to you. It says so right there in the report.”

  125. fireroger says:
    Aug 5, 2015 3:30 PM

    From the perspective of the NFL rules, how exactly is the ball boy taking balls into the bathroom any different than a ball boy warming them up using a space heater (E.g. Car vs Min 11/14)????? It’s the exact same rule violation !!!!!!!!!!
    ————————

    A couple of differences.

    1. Carolina is just okay, and Minnesota sucks.

    2. They aren’t the Patriots.

    They just chalked up the guy heating the footballs, on national tv, to “he thought he was doing the right thing”, or something equally as ridiculous.

    If you don’t do anything about that, except issue a warning, when there is direct video evidence, how can you justify the suspension, fine, and loss of draft picks of *Framegate?

  126. STILLlolatpatscheaters says:
    Aug 5, 2015 4:30 PM
    All Time Best QB, Joe Montana

    4-0 thats 1.000% winning percentage

    FACT
    **********************************************
    Can’t dispute that, but I bet if you asked Joe M, he would rather have been to 2 more Super Bowls like Brady. It sucks losing them, but it is an accomplishment to get there!! How many AFC Championship games has Brady been to? Also, its a team game….QB’s get too much credit and too much blame sometimes. Just think if Tyree doesn’t make a circus catch, Manning doesn’t throw a perfect ball to Manningham and Welker makes a near routine catch…Brady could be 6-0.

  127. jnasty5000akajungguns says:
    Aug 5, 2015 2:52 PM
    Still doesn’t change the fact that he did not fully cooperate with the investigation. That FACT, in and of itself, is enough to be punished. NOW SHUT UP AND MOVE ON!
    _______________________________________

    Except according to Ted Wells Brady offered sufficient cooperation and producing the phone was not necessary.

    Goodel has been making it up as he goes along and every time actual information comes out it contradicts him.

  128. jnasty5000akajungguns says:
    Aug 5, 2015 2:52 PM

    Still doesn’t change the fact that he did not fully cooperate with the investigation. That FACT, in and of itself, is enough to be punished. NOW SHUT UP AND MOVE ON!
    *************************
    No it’s not. As usual people using this tactic don’t know what they are talking about. In fact Troy (scumbag since my player days) Vincent admits as much in the transcripts.

  129. This is pretty bad… Nfl leaks Brady didn’t want testimony released.. and then testimony is released and we read clear as day that Kessler asked for it to be released directly in the meeting.. this is REALY bad, what the FK is the nfl doing??

    Honestly I am not a conspiracy guy but this is REALLY BAD

  130. Judge Berman –

    “Mr Goodell, I find you and your team have lied, misinformed, twisted and falsified evidence and otherwise violated all possible ethics of a fair and evenhanded investigation. All suspensions and penalties for this to both Mr Brady and the Patriots are removed.”

    Goodall with a very confused look on his face “But we want to burn the witch your honor, why can’t we burn the witch !???”

  131. mototax says:
    Aug 5, 2015 4:36 PM
    Pats fans are dreamers… Failure to cooperate = 4 game suspension. Case closed!
    _______________________________________

    No precedent. Prior offenses for failing to cooperate:

    San Diego Chargers : $20k fine (Stickum Towel)
    Brett Favre: $50k fine (Failing to cooperate in investigate of texting pictures of “litte Brett”)

    0 games. Small fine. Case closed.

  132. @ t38267

    I asked the same thing. But put it this way.

    Why didn’t Brady’s camp ask the Refs. if they inflated balls to 16 psi rather then send a copy of the proper psi level for balls rule? The Refs carry around that rule book in their back pockets.

  133. Kessler is today’s Johnny Cochran. Misdirect and confuse the issue and everyone else with PSI readings and ideal gas laws (which up until this most Bostonians assumed the ideal gas law was a side effect of eating too many chili dogs). Spin Spin Spin. Brady has balls, I’ll tell you that much. (no pun intended though Pats fans should get used to their franchise being a punchline. They’re more known for this debacle than anything they’ve accomplished* on the field.)

  134. Roger Goodell’s history of lying:

    Case 1: Bounty gate: Goodell stood there and said that the NFL had 10,000 documents and 50,000 pages of evidence that proved the Saints were guilty. Tagliabue reversed all the suspensions because none of it was true.

    Case 2: Goodell told the owners the NFL was exhausting every avenue to find out what happened in the elevator. But even though the NFL makes probably a million times more than TMZ, TMZ is the outlet to first come up with the video tape.

    Case 3 (still the Rice case): Goodell says Rice was ambiguous about what happened in the elevator, yet Rice’s wife/gf tells everyone that Rice admitted he hit her in the elevator.

    It is more probable than not that Roger Goodell has a problem telling the truth.

  135. So what could have and should have, at most, been handled as a League memo to all teams reminding them not to alter the game day equipment under any circumstances has turned into the ant-hill Goodell would like to die on. smh

  136. on one hand you have a party where there is some compelling circumstantial evidence but no proof of lying or hard evidence

    on the other hand you have a party that is a proven liar

  137. pwb44 says:
    Aug 5, 2015 3:15 PM
    It is interesting that the Pats and Brady did not complain about the league destroying the spygate evidence.

    It is a shame we will never see that evidence.

    As for the transcript, Brady does not come across so well for many of the reasons others have mentioned.

    I am glad it came out to shine a light on both the NFL and Brady/Pats.
    _______________________________________

    We did see the evidence. Matt Walsh’s copies were played at a press conference and they matched exactly what we were told was on the copies that were destroyed, after being reviewed by Goodel and the Steeler Team President. And it was Rooney who advised that the tapes be destroyed so that if others surfaced it would be evident that BB did not turn over all the tapes.

    I know…those pesky facts.

  138. deadlevelbest: Also, how did he bring that to their attention without knowing the rules as he supposedly said he did not?

    —-
    1) pre-Jets game, he didn’t know the specs 12.5-13.5
    2) Jets game: footballs sucked
    3) Brady asked “why did those footballs suck?”
    4) ballboys say “they were inflated to 16 psi”
    5) Brady says “what are they supposed to be?”
    6) ballboys say “13”
    7) Brady says “what do the rules say?”
    8) ballboys say “12.5-13.5”
    9) Brady says “well, make sure the refs know that rule from now on. 16 psi balls suck.”
    10) ballboys say: “where do you want them to be?”
    11) Brady says “I don’t know. In the legal range. What were those numbers again? Oh yeah, 12.5 was one of them, wasn’t it? Try that and make sure they don’t pump them up to 16”

  139. ebdug says:
    Aug 5, 2015 3:40 PM

    I can understand the NFLPA being coerced into agreeing to keep the transcripts sealed, but they did agree and doesn’t condone their publicizing them in court. Judge Berman didn’t subpoena the document, the NFLPA simply submitted it to the court, and to the public. It looks to me like they went back on the deal

    The transcript is part of the filing. It needs to be there for the judge as evidence. The NFL filed theirs first, and it was under seal of confidentiality. The judge issued an order that the filings not be done under seal, so the NFLPA filed theirs the way the judge told them to. The transcript became public information as soon as it was filed.

  140. The only way to truly have no trace of wrong doing is by sealed records when one seeks to have full exoneration and their name cleared. So it goes w/o saying that Brady’s camp would want this in any dealings.

  141. The only way to truly have no trace of wrong doing is by sealed records when one seeks to have full exoneration and their name cleared. So it goes w/o saying that Brady’s camp would want this in any dealings.
    ===
    Are you suggesting that Brady/NFLPA wanted this record sealed?

    Did you miss the headline of this very article? It clearly states that Brady/NFLPA wanted this recodrd released.

  142. How come no one is talking about the heart of the matter? Did Brady know or didn’t he know. It seems to me, the way he testified, he is saying he doesn’t know if he knows because he knows nothing about nothing.

  143. limakey
    If he says he didn’t know then absent proof otherwise you have to conclude he didn’t know.
    If there is no proof by now then there isn’t going to be any.

  144. How come no one is talking about the heart of the matter? Did Brady know or didn’t he know. It seems to me, the way he testified, he is saying he doesn’t know if he knows because he knows nothing about nothing.
    ===
    He testified he knew of no plot. Under oath. You can either accept that, or else you can assume he perjured himself.

    Those are your options.

  145. limakey says:
    Aug 5, 2015 5:39 PM
    How come no one is talking about the heart of the matter? Did Brady know or didn’t he know. It seems to me, the way he testified, he is saying he doesn’t know if he knows because he knows nothing about nothing.

    ——–

    That is no longer the heart of the matter. Was the appeal fair or not fair. That is now the heart of the matter

  146. The only people that win anything in these cases are the scumbag lawyers that drag this stuff out for forever.

  147. Smasonsmith, you should find this interesting and I would like your thoughts. Brady declined to turn over his cell phone. He did not cite the CBA. And it appears to that Brady did not want the union at his interview. The union excuse came when his agent gave an interview, the same one where he confirmed that TB did destroy evidence in this case but didn’t realize this.

  148. Here’s another one on page 277, Jastremski texts his fiance after the Jets game in October:

    “I just mentioned some of the balls. They are supposed to be 13. They were, like, 16”

    So, there was *AT LEAST* no conspiracy to deflate footballs during the Jets game in Octbober 2014 or prior. Otherwise, Jastremski would not have stated “They are supposed to be 13”. Therefore, the May 2014 “Deflater…ESPN” text from McNally must be referring to something else…aka his weight.

  149. Specifically limakey, how do you know the following to be true?

    “Brady declined to turn over his cell phone. He did not cite the CBA.”

    Also, what would you consider, “citing the CBA”? As it was, Brady said under oath at arbitration that he did not turn over his phone on advice of counsel. What legal rationale do you believe his counsel used to provide that advice if you believe it was not the CBA?

    In the end though… the CBA still exists as do its protections, whether he cite it or not.


  150. smasonsmith says:
    Aug 5, 2015 4:21 PM

    That’s not what happened. This is the timeline:

    The NFL wanted to keep documents sealed. The NFLPA had an agreement with the NFL that certain documents would stay sealed. The NFLPA wanted to unseal the documents after the arbitration hearing. The NFL said no. The documents remained sealed.

    When the NFLPA filed its response to the NFL’s lawsuit in NY, it filed certain documents under seal citing it agreement with the league. Judge Berman decided that sealed documents were not in the interest of justice in this case, so he order sealed documents unsealed and told the parties that he would not allow the filing of sealed documents. The NFLPA then filed this document as it pertains to their arguments.

    Thus – thanks Judge Berman -we get to read this treasure trove of ineptitude.

    Berman did not unseal any documents. He did order that all documents must be unsealed to be accepted by the court. The NFLPA unsealed the transcripts and re-filed them as public documents. The transcipts would not have been made public if they hadn’t.

    They didn’t have to submit them. Lord knows they don’t need them. They broke the deal with the NFL.

  151. limakey , you do not know the facts. The facts are #1 Brady was told he did not need to turn over his cell phone, just give them copies of any texts regarding footballs. Again, he was told he did not need to turn over his phone.

    #2 See #1

    PS: All data/texts was offered to the NFL anyway from AT&/Brady

  152. “They didn’t have to submit them. Lord knows they don’t need them. They broke the deal with the NFL.”

    Are you saying that the NFLPA should be going forward with this appeal without providing the court with the actual evidence from the appeal hearing? Seriously?

    Good lord…

  153. Not only should Goodell, Pash, Kensil and Wells never do an investigation ever again for the NFL, if the NFL owners condone Goodell’s behavior in this whole scandal then they need to be visited by the FBI.

    How they have this clown still as Commisioner tells me they are all scumbags too. This clown should have been fired after Bountygate.

    He isnt protecting the integrity of the NFL, he is making the NFL the least credible league next to FIFA in all of pro sports.

  154. Smasonsmith, from what I read, Wells made it clear that the only answer Brady gave was he respectfullying declined. He did not give a reason to Wells. He did not cite the CBA and from what Wells said, that a union rep was on site but Brady did not want them there. My feeling is Brady couldn’t use the CBA because he already had the phone destroyed.

  155. How do Patriots haters explain the fact that Brady and his lawyers contacted the cell phone carrier and ASKED to recover all of his texts?

    Don’t tell me they omnisciently knew that the Carrier could never do that.

    If he’s guilty and there are incriminating texts, would he really take that risk???

  156. “the NFL never once asked for TB’s phone.”

    What a total red herring lame defense, for any fool knows that no way would TB ever give his phone to the NFL to examine.

    This is an attempt at misdirection by those trying to defend a cheater. Plain and simple. TB should have received a full one year suspension on the conspiracy alone. No way do those equipment guys do anything without TB’s and BB’s full knowledge.

  157. They didn’t have to submit them. Lord knows they don’t need them. They broke the deal with the NFL.
    ===
    Are you joking?

    Most of the NFLPA’s case is that the arbitration process and hearing was partial and lacked due process? You surely can’t be suggesting that they should have tried to make that case without the transcript of said arbitration hearing? How would you suggest they attempt to prove their case without filing the transcript or supporting. Or are you suggesting that the NFLPA hamstring its own case due to an agreement made by the party that is suing it? Either suggestion is ridiculous.

    So yes: The NFLPA did have to file them, considering the claims that they are making. It is not the NFLPA’s fault that the NFL wanted to hide behind a shield of confidentiality that the judge found contrary to the public interest.

  158. First the Pats Deflate footballs…then they Deny, Deflect, Accuse, and Repeat. Can’t wait for the season to get here, so we can watch the Pats fumbles and tipped ball interceptions increase.

  159. Wells made it clear that the only answer Brady gave was he respectfullying declined. He did not give a reason to Wells.
    ===
    Possible, but irrelevant. The CBA and its protections don’t go away just because Brady doesn’t cite it.

    I would speculate that every lawyer in the room knew exactly the legal basis for why Brady respectfully declined.

    Just as you or I don’t have to explicitly invoke our 5A rights, Brady doesn’t have to explicitly invoke his CBA rights.


  160. lyfordjr says:
    Aug 5, 2015 7:13 PM

    “They didn’t have to submit them. Lord knows they don’t need them. They broke the deal with the NFL.”

    Are you saying that the NFLPA should be going forward with this appeal without providing the court with the actual evidence from the appeal hearing? Seriously?

    Good lord…

    I’m saying what I said.

    The appeal transcript is a lot of fun, but going back on one’s word is something you’d expect of Goodell, not the NFLPA. I’m wondering if the NFL has any legal recourse.

  161. OK, the NFL is run by a bunch of schmucks. But, if the Pats are COMPLETELY innocent here, why did they fire two of their staffers?

  162. You just have to ask: Roger, how could you screw this up? He has possibly the greatest job in Sports at a salary of approx 44 Mil each yr.WHY would he continue to put himself in these lose/lose situations?
    It makes ZERO sense.
    After reading the entire Brady transcript is clear to me it’s a “slam dunk” in Brady’s direction. Jeff Kessler certainly out classed the League’s attorneys on almost every point. The League needs to settle this matter at all costs as I believe Judge Berman will crucify the League and Roger Goodell yet again.
    Unfortunately for The Comish, the league may need to request his resignation in order to save face here.

  163. Why wouldn’t Brady turn over his phone to the NFL? Am I the only one reading about how frustrated he was over a $8500 pool cover? What did that text have to do with the investigation and WHY was it included in the record? THIS IS WHY HE DIDN’T WANT TO TURN OVER HIS PRIVATE PHONE!

  164. albanyjints says:
    Aug 5, 2015 9:22 PM

    OK, the NFL is run by a bunch of schmucks. But, if the Pats are COMPLETELY innocent here, why did they fire two of their staffers?
    ——————————-

    They didn’t. They were suspended at the behest of the NFL.

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