Ravens explain that they didn’t tell Colts about deflated footballs

AP

Tuesday’s information dump included for the first time hard evidence that the Ravens had told the Colts about concerns with kicking balls when playing the Patriots in the divisional round of the 2014 NFL playoffs. This has prompted some to conclude that the Ravens also told the Colts about concerns with football deflation.

The Ravens have mobilized to extinguish any such perception, releasing three statements and a text message from the Ravens to the Colts regarding the kicking balls.

“Prior to the AFC Championship game, no one from the Ravens talked to the Colts about deflated footballs,” the Ravens said in a general statement. “We knew nothing of deflated footballs. John Harbaugh has been consistent in his answers to reporters about this since he was first asked on NBC-TV at the Super Bowl.”

Said Harbaugh in his own statement: “I’ve been consistent from the beginning when asked about whether the Ravens tipped off the Colts about deflated footballs. I’ll say it again – we didn’t. We knew nothing about deflated footballs. As a former special teams coach, I know that members of the kicking group from teams talk to their counterparts all the time about conditions, including field, weather and footballs. I learned this morning that our kicking consultant [Randy Brown] sent a text to Coach Pagano on Jan. 16 suggesting to the Colts that they pay attention to how the officials rotate the kicking balls into the game. Coach Brown’s text did not mention the Patriots and did not complain about anything the Patriots did. The Colts never responded to Randy’s text, and he had no further communications with the Colts on this matter.”

Randy Brown had no further communications with the Colts, but Ravens special-teams coordinator Jerry Rosburg previously did — on an issue unrelated to footballs.

“On or about January 12, 2015, Chuck Pagano called me to ask about a punt-field goal substitution play that New England used against the Ravens in the Divisional game (Jan. 10),” Rosburg said in his own statement. “At the 10:55 mark of the second quarter at the 34-yard line, New England sent its placekicker (Stephen Gostkowski) onto the field with the field goal unit. This caused us to defend the punt with our field goal block team. The play was blown dead by the officials because the Patriots were penalized for delay of game. Coach Pagano wanted to know about New England’s substitution, because the coaching video does not show that part. There was no conversation regarding footballs.”

The Ravens also released the text message that Randy Brown sent to Pagano on January 16: “Make sure the refs rotate the kicking balls cause last week they wouldn’t let our ball in the game. Their ball was done so poorly that it was nearly impossible to kick off deep…It was hard and not worked in well at all…Let Tom (McMahon, Colts special teams coordinator) know he can call me at any time.”

I’ve got three comments in response to this development. (If you don’t care what I think, scroll down to the next story.)

First, while some would argue it’s good P.R., the Ravens come off as overly sensitive. Why are they so concerned about the perception that they may have told the Colts that Patriots footballs are underinflated?

Second, although Harbaugh clearly was talking only about deflation, his comments during the Super Bowl pregame to Bob Costas were so broad and so forceful that some may be surprised to learn that there was communication between the two teams on a separate issue.

“I heard all that, I couldn’t believe it when I heard it,” Harbaugh said at the time.  “It’s ridiculous, it never happened, I’ve been, I never made any call, nobody in our organization made any call.  As a matter of fact, just to make sure I had all the facts, I called up Chuck Pagano and asked him, ‘Did anybody else in our organization tip you off about deflated footballs?’ and he said, ‘No way.’”

Third, Harbaugh was able to be broad and forceful because he didn’t know at the time that Randy Brown had communicated with Pagano. Which will cause some to wonder whether there were other communications between members of the Ravens staff and Colts staff that Harbaugh didn’t know about.

The mere fact that Brown was giving Pagano a head’s up about an issue that could help the Colts in their game against the Patriots shows that at least one member of the Baltimore staff was trying to help the Colts in their game against the Patriots. It’s not unreasonable to wonder whether other communications between various members of the respective coaching staffs and front offices may have occurred on multiple other issues relevant to the efforts of the Colts against the Patriots.

Bottom line? Harbaugh definitely told Costas the truth, and there’s still no evidence to suggest that the Ravens told the Colts about deflation concerns. That said: (1) it’s possible that it happened without his knowledge; and (2) so what if it did?

175 responses to “Ravens explain that they didn’t tell Colts about deflated footballs

  1. The lying liars and the liars they associate with. The Harbaugh’s are really insufferable characters.

  2. Nope. Not buying what yer selling there Johnny boy.

    35-31. And read the rule book. 🙂

  3. Lying whiners who lie.

    Harbaugh, the Ravens and their fans, leading the league in whining for years now. At least they’re good at something.

  4. Boston Reporters are a joke.

    Patriots fans remind me of Penn State fans.

    The Patriots can act like they are clueless about Spyagte

    The Patriots can act like they are clueless about Deflate gate

    The Patriots can act like they are clueless about Aaron Hernandez

    So according to Patriots fans, the Patriots have known nothing about all 3 of these things

    Pretty much what they are saying is that the Patriots organization isn’t the genius they claim them to be.

  5. Bottom line? Harbaugh definitely told Costas the truth, and there’s still no evidence to suggest that the Ravens told the Colts about deflation concerns.
    ———————————————————–

    Everyone who called Harbaugh a liar yesterday, post your apologies below. Thanks.

  6. This completely exonerates the Patriots decade long systematic cheating operation.

  7. Patriots fans for years have run their mouths about the Ravens organization.

    But when the tables turn on them, they make every excuse in the book especially about Aaron Hernandez

    But no worries. The Ravens are more than capable of beating the Patriots in the playoffs for the 3rd time in 6 years

  8. This doesn’t smell like the truth either.

    Even if it is, how about Harbaugh and Pagano conspiring to beat the Patriots? Is that fair really? It didn’t work, but is that even fair?

  9. I DO NOT BELIEVE THE RAVENS….is obvious both Colts and Ravens lying.

    Their 2 owners have been all over Goodell to nail Brady and NE.

    Think when this ALL comes out that we will see some dominos fall…and ALOT of finger pointing as Goddell , Kensil, Vincent …and all the other clowns start to try to save their jobs.

  10. The ONLY one not lying in this whole affair is Brady..the only one with any integrity in this entire sordid affair is Brady!

  11. I don’t care either if the Ravens told the Colts or not.

    Are the Ravens supposed to look bad for telling the truth?

    If the Patriots are so innocent, why did they suspend the ball boys in the first place?

    Why would Tom Brady destroy his own phone?

    Do you do any of those things if you are completely innocent?

  12. That is a total lie.

    John Harbaugh is a lair and fraud. Chuck Pagano is a liar too. Belichick was instrumental in lobbying the Ravens owner into hiring a special teams dude as head coach and the latter has never shown appreciation.

  13. Had Roger not run to court in New York, this transcript would still be sealed in Minnesota. How unhappy is Bisciotti that the Ravens have been embarrassed like this as part of the now-permanent public record?

  14. Keep this ridiculous story over in the AFC east. Stop defending Brady like a homer and move on already. Leave the AFC North and our little brother out of your shenanigans. I am so absolutely sick of anything related to the Pats, their fans, or deflategate. What’s the latest in training camp? How’s the weather in Maryland? Anything but this story!

  15. Exactly. I don’t think anyone who’s paying attention would blame the Ravens for any of this. The true incompetence seems to be coming from someone (or someones) in the league office. The ones who tested the balls incorrectly (Vincent et al.) without pregame measurements, temperature or time measurements, or any gauge accuracy. The “investigation” should have been dropped at that point, since they had no evidence for tampering.

    Then the leaks came from the league office. A real investigation begins. Stuff is discovered. The report makes broad inferences and selects out information that fits a conclusion. Vincent and Goodell vastly overreact in their punishment of the team and Brady (based on rules that Vincent admitted don’t apply to Brady).

    Then the appeal hearing happened. Goodell clearly misstated facts available in the transcript in his decision to uphold the suspension.

    At each of these stages, cooler heads should have prevailed, and the NFL should have admitted their fault. Something probably happened to those footballs, but once discovered, a rational investigation looking at facts without the falsehoods would have fined the team and fired the ball boy. The continuation of this debacle is all on the NFL. Their teams of high paid lawyers. Now hopefully they’re discussing an exit strategy. How did this happen Goodell?

    But there is nothing wrong with what the Ravens did.

  16. The NFL lies
    Wells lies
    Ravens lie
    Colts lie
    ESPN lies
    So many players lying….in order to create the impression of cheating by New England. That is a conspiracy and apparently it is an NFL sanctioned conspiracy

  17. “Their ball was done so poorly that it was nearly impossible to kick off deep…It was hard and not worked in well at all…Let Tom (McMahon, Colts special teams coordinator) know he can call me at any time.”
    _________

    I thought K balls were supposed to be brand new out of the box? Refs take a brand new ball, mark them K and that’s it. They’re brand new balls, which is why you see kickers rub and mash them on the turf prior to kickoff, to work them in. Were the Ravens using balls that were “worked in”?

  18. #2 is the most important question there … who cares? And, if Harbaugh did lie to Costas, again – who cares? He wasn’t under oath. Players and coaches quite literally lie to the media every single week. When did this become a murder trial?

  19. Looks like the refs won’t be allowing the Jump Ball ™ anymore. It will be interesting to see if the Ravens finish .500….

  20. The Ravens have ruined the NFL in one calendar year. They try to protect Ray Rice and drag their feet about his punishment and parade his wife around making her apologize. They influence the league office into making it only 2 games. They light the fire that burns into this deflategate inferno.

  21. hakunamangata says:
    Aug 5, 2015 11:06 AM

    Doesn’t exonerate them from cheating.

    No all it does is further cement this is a smear campaign invented by the Colts, Ravens and ex-Jets in league front office. Teams who talk a TONNE and win NOTHING!!!

    #Witch hunt

  22. In NE we send our murderers to jail, in Baltimore they build them a statue, then they get a job on,

    wait for it,

    ESPN.

    Still hurts feelings over that rule book comment eh Johnny?

    Apparently lying is in vogue across the league

  23. By the NFL’s “standards”, that flurry of phone calls between Harbaugh and Pagano after the AFCCG is proof of a conspiracy.

  24. see how easy it was for the ravens to give up the text message. the ravens did not destroy any phones.

    amazing how the ravens defend themselves from false reporting and the cheater lovers still get on their case

    oh well

  25. What about the emails where they talked about deflated footballs or did they not see those?

  26. I’ll be so happy when football starts as we can stop talking about this crap over and over and over.

    The horse has been beaten to a bloody pulp people.

    Please move on.

  27. The search for a culprit other than the Patriots is hilarious.

    Let’s say the Ravens DID tip off the Colts to the fact that the sketchy Patriots were being sketchy… This makes the Ravens the bad guys in this situation? Or maybe the sketchy Patriots are reaping what they’ve sown for years of sketchiness.

    And “sketchy” is a really nice way to refer to confirmed cheating for which they have been punished in the past.

  28. ravensbmore52 says: Aug 5, 2015 11:07 AM

    Boston Reporters are a joke.

    Patriots fans remind me of Penn State fans.

    The Patriots can act like they are clueless about Spyagte

    The Patriots can act like they are clueless about Deflate gate

    The Patriots can act like they are clueless about Aaron Hernandez

    So according to Patriots fans, the Patriots have known nothing about all 3 of these things

    Pretty much what they are saying is that the Patriots organization isn’t the genius they claim them to be.
    ———————–

    Guaranteed I know more about spygate that you and that you spout incorrect info when talking about it. Probably some non-sense about taping practices, not hand signals 80,000 people could see.

    The Ravens can act clueless about Terrell Suggs, pouring bleach, dragging a woman by her hair outside of a car in front of their kids.

    The Ravens can act clueless about Ray Lewis and his white suit. Would you say its more probably that not and that Ray was generally aware he and his friends murdered two people?

    The Ravens can be clueless about their PED issues. Ngata.

    Ex-Ravens and retired Pro Bowl quarterback Jeff Blake confessed in an interview that removing air from footballs was common when he played in the NFL from 1992-2005.

  29. John, John, John… Oh what a tangled web we weave. Don’t worry, it will all come out. Your helping one member club over another will all be shown in the cold light of day.

  30. @ravensbmore52 said:

    “But when the tables turn on them, they make every excuse in the book especially about Aaron Hernandez”

    —————–
    RAY LEWIS. Where is that white suit? Obstruction of justice. You not only didn’t cut him, you made him the centerpiece of the organization. Hernandez was cut before he was even charged.

    But hey, why don’t you guys makes Mrs. Rice apologize again, seeing how she left her face in the way of her husband’s fist.

  31. My biggest take away from this is how the Ravens and Colts coaches seem to be so collaborative in discussing game tape to bring down the Pats. It is like they all need to pull their collective minds together to try and outsmart Belichick.

  32. canedaddy says:
    Aug 5, 2015 11:08 AM

    Bottom line? Harbaugh definitely told Costas the truth, and there’s still no evidence to suggest that the Ravens told the Colts about deflation concerns.
    ———————————————————–

    Everyone who called Harbaugh a liar yesterday, post your apologies below. Thanks.
    __________________
    That’s funny. There’s still no evidence to suggest that the Patriots deflated footballs either, and yet they’re still called guilty. But here we have a Ravens fan citing a lack of evidence as the reason why they didn’t tip off the Colts. Talk about hypocrisy.

  33. patriotsdefense says:Aug 5, 2015 11:14 AM

    That is a total lie.

    John Harbaugh is a lair and fraud. Chuck Pagano is a liar too. Belichick was instrumental in lobbying the Ravens owner into hiring a special teams dude as head coach and the latter has never shown appreciation.
    __________________________________
    Lair and Fraud? Really? Are you sure that is not number 12 who lines up under center?

  34. “I don’t care either if the Ravens told the Colts or not.

    Are the Ravens supposed to look bad for telling the truth?

    If the Patriots are so innocent, why did they suspend the ball boys in the first place?

    Why would Tom Brady destroy his own phone?

    Do you do any of those things if you are completely innocent?”
    ___________________________________

    New England didn’t suspend the ball boys, the NFL requested they do. It doesn’t matter if Tom destroyed his phone, ate it, threw it in a volcano, or if it has been in his back pocket this entire time, Wells said he didn’t need it, and Brady was never going to give it up to set precedent. The Ravens look bad for complaining and whining if the allegation is true. I mean they and a 14 point lead twice and the opportunity for a gw drive. They threw it away, and they’re going to blame deflated balls. Seriously.

  35. How exactly were the Patriots and their fans clueless or defensive about Aaron Hernandez? The second they knew how serious the allegations were, they cut him, severing ties forever.

    The Ravens defend their criminals and erect statues honoring them.

  36. So what about that email from Sean Sullivan of the Colts that the earlier post references – in it Sullivan is pretty clear in stating that the Ravens told them about both the kicking and game balls?

  37. .
    John Harbaugh’s History

    I did not recommend cutting Ray Rice from the team after seeing the first videotape,” Harbaugh said in the statement. “I was very disturbed by that tape, and I told people that the facts should determine the consequences.

    Now Harbaugh is leading the charge to get Brady suspended, fined and kept out of the Hall of Fame.

    Harbaugh : America’s Premier Sore Loser
    .

  38. AFC East One and Dones by the division champion since 2006: 3

    AFC North: 6

    AFC East > AFC North

    #FactsAreFacts
    #YouDontHaveToLikeFactsButTheyreStillFacts

  39. But there are emails saying that Please God, dont ever let this story die. It is so captivating!! I wonder who will play Brady in the movie? Ben Affleck maybe?
    they did?
    ===
    Are you kidding?

    Matt Damon.

  40. The most telling aspect of this all is the fact that TWO NFL playoff caliber teams combined intel, strategy, and coaching relations to topple the Patriots – and STILL couldn’t pull it off.

    BTW, where did all the Seahawks fans that saturated PFT last year go? Off the wagon already?

  41. It’s over. There can be no more ambivalence about this whole deflated ball issue. Clearly the NFL has lied and covered up since January. Over time more facts will come out and Roger Goodell will be fired with more disgrace than Richard Nixon.

    Now, if the NFL does not reinstate the Patriots draft picks a real crime will have been committed.

  42. pretty messed up belichick put in a good word for gaurbaugh before he got hired. Only to stab him in the back , oh well last time I checked were still super bowl champs , kiss the rings babies !!!

  43. Some of the trolls here probably blame the kicking ball issues on the Patriots also 😂😂😂😂. Too bad only the officials handle them and rotate them in and out. Yes thee same officials who were caught stealing these balls during the game and reinserting new ones.

    Some of the clowns here would believe brady and belichek work for ISIS if espn or someone else reported it

  44. patriotsdefense says:
    —————–
    RAY LEWIS. Where is that white suit? Obstruction of justice. You not only didn’t cut him, you made him the centerpiece of the organization. Hernandez was cut before he was even charged.

    But hey, why don’t you guys makes Mrs. Rice apologize again, seeing how she left her face in the way of her husband’s fist.
    ========================================
    Where is the white suit? I don’t know where is Tom Brady’s destroyed phone?

    But you guys can cheer for Corey Dillon helping you win Super Bowls while he committed domestic violence in 2000.

    Double standard isn’t it?

  45. The search for a culprit other than the Patriots is hilarious.
    ===
    We know who the indirectly culpable party is: Robert Boyle FRS.

    The only problem is that he’s Anglo-Irish and dead, so the NFL can’t suspend or fine him.

  46. The poor, poor New England Patriots and their fans. My heart bleed for you because you are so persecuted. Give me a break!

    What a hopeless group you guys are. You should build a statue to Pete Carroll for the gift he gave you. Stop whining, take your gift trophy, and move on!

  47. OH, WAIT! WAIT!!!

    There is no hard evidence…

    BUT!!! It is more probable than not.

    Yeah, I said it… 4 games to Harbaaaaa!

    Colts + Ravens < Patriots

  48. Patriots and Steelers fan do not get along at all. But we do agree on this: The Ravens are the most deplorable and puerile franchise in the NFL. You make the Jets look organized.

  49. Deflated footballs are not the reason the Ravens lost. Giving up two 14 point leads are.

    With that said, the Patriots are consistently pushing the limits of the rule book and it seems bush league. Just Line up and play. Football is better that way.

    spy gate
    deflate gate
    questionable formations

    stop the tomfoolery, no pun intended

  50. Both the NY Times and the Washington Post have new articles up ripping the investigation.

    “Last week, I relied on the word of Roger Goodell. I won’t make that mistake again.” Dan Steinberg, Washington Post, 8/5/15

  51. From above:

    Their ball was done so poorly that it was nearly impossible to kick off deep…It was hard and not worked in well at all…Let Tom (McMahon, Colts special teams coordinator) know he can call me at any time.”

    ================================

    Kicking balls are not controlled by the teams, what are the Ravens doing with kicking balls?

    Second

    It is more probable than not the Ravens are lying, try to prove otherwise…

    Third, me thinks they doth protest too loudly

  52. ReligionIsForIdiots says:

    Every year the Patriots didn’t have a cheating allegation come out, they never won. Hmm, I wonder why!

    =====================================

    first , you have claimed they cheat all the time

    second, if they didn’t win, no one is jealous

  53. Don’t really understand why it would matter who tipped anyone off. Pats were caught cheating, again, end of story. Nobody has claimed it’s the reason they beat the Ravens in the playoffs or complained. Simply said they cheated.

    I actually find more joy as a Ravens fans that the Pats four trophies can go right on the sports asterisk Mount Rushmore along with Bonds’ Homerun record, Clemens’ Cy Young Awards and Lance’s Tour De France titles.

  54. ikeclanton says:
    Aug 5, 2015 11:29 AM
    How exactly were the Patriots and their fans clueless or defensive about Aaron Hernandez? The second they knew how serious the allegations were, they cut him, severing ties forever.

    The Ravens defend their criminals and erect statues honoring them.
    =========================================

    You mean like the Patriots honoring Corey Dillon after his domestic violence incident in 2000?

    The Patriots sure do draft a criminal in Hernandez who already had red flags before he was drafted.

  55. “First, while some would argue it’s good P.R., the Ravens come off as overly sensitive. Why are they so concerned about the perception that they may have told the Colts that Patriots footballs are underinflated?”

    A) Nobody wants to be considered a snitch. See Martin, Jonathan

    B) Do you really think the Ravens want to give the Pats any additional incentive to whip them should they meet again in the playoffs?

  56. ravensbmore52 says:

    Where is the white suit? I don’t know where is Tom Brady’s destroyed phone?

    But you guys can cheer for Corey Dillon helping you win Super Bowls while he committed domestic violence in 2000.

    Double standard isn’t it?

    ————

    First, the Georgia court wanted that white suit and still wants it. Wells investigation made it clear it did not want the phone. And they made no indication that phone would lead to any punishment.

    What Corey Dillion did 4 full seasons before coming to the Patriots is irrelevant to this discussion. But if you want to talk about domestic issues, how about you talk about Suggs and his use of bleach to the face of the mother of his children.

  57. The ravens were up 14-0 and 28-14. Patriots cheated both times to come back to tie the game. I saw offensive holds, the inelligible receiver downfield. On a non-cheating playing field, the ravens walloped them. Steven Ridley got owned by pollard and so did the patriots.

  58. “Every year the Patriots didn’t have a cheating allegation come out, they never won. Hmm, I wonder why!”

    Except for 2001, 2003, and 2004.

  59. Florio, who produced the Sean Sullivan email? ESPN said it was attached to the filings but it does not say who produced it. Did Grigson send this to the NFL?

    The email looks like it was written for the files with the sting in mind.

    Sullivan says “everybody knows” about the Patriots deflating footballs and refers to “smaller footballs”.

    Who is everybody? The Ravens deny it was them. The guy making the accusation was likely one of the Colts equipment managers the Jaguars are reported to have pointed the finger at for deflating footballs.

    The “smaller football” aka “small ball” language was also used by Grigson and Vincent. That’s odd vernacular for everyone to use and very odd that Vincent (not the sharpest knife in the drawer) knew what Grigson meant by the term when he approached Kensil and Vincent before halftime of the AFCCG given Vincnet’s sworn testimony is that that was the first he had heard of deflated footballs.

    Motive is important. This is pure speculation but maybe Grigson wanted to damage the Pats; Vincent wanted to advance, possibly at Gooodell’s expense, so he went after the sacred cow, Goodell’s buddy Kraft; and, Kensil was on board both of those motives. The one motive that doesn’t fly: protecting the “integrity of the game”.

  60. “The mere fact that Brown was giving Pagano a head’s up about an issue that could help the Colts in their game against the Patriots shows that at least one member of the Baltimore staff was trying to help the Colts in their game against the Patriots.”

    That. OR perhaps it would make the Colts aware of THE OFFICALS’ questionable usage of unprepared kicking balls. That’s helping the Colts in the same way that I help a cashier give me back correct change when they short-change me.

  61. patriotsdefense says:
    Aug 5, 2015 11:41 AM
    Patriots and Steelers fan do not get along at all. But we do agree on this: The Ravens are the most deplorable and puerile franchise in the NFL. You make the Jets look organized.
    =========================================

    Ya Steelers fans and Patriots fans would agree. I would be mad too if the Ravens beat my team in the playoffs in our house the Ravens have done to the Steelers and Patriots in the last 5 years.

  62. Now bear in mind I’m speaking as a Patriots fan here…

    The most relevant point made in this entire article is:

    (2) so what if it did?

    My opinion on this ENTIRE FREAKING MATTER
    precisely

  63. If the NFL, Goodell, Pash, Vincent and Kensil were driven by only one motive, protecting the “integrity of the game”, why didn’t they care about and respond two two other game ball violations that arose during this investigation:

    1. The Jets game balls at 16.0 psi

    2. Both the Ravens and the Colts saying that they doctor kicking balls on a regular basis

  64. Uh oh, the Ravens special teams coach on record that the kicking balls weren’t manipulated enough! Sounds like another investigation is looming

  65. So the media complains when a team is silent on an issue. When a team makes an effort to provide facts after the team is implicated in a story they are criticized for being overly sensitive. Huh? I guess it all about what sells. Or it is not really about the facts at all.

  66. It’s quite pathetic how the focus of this story has turned the victims into bad guys and the bad guys (or I should say cheaters) into victims.. It’s quite obvious Brady cheated and although I agree Goodell has biffed things in the past, I seriously doubt he’s on a witch hunt to further mar himself and take credibility away from the league. People in the Patriots organization have displayed multiple times now that they promote a culture of cheating. Notice when they lose what poor sports they are (Belichick moping and not giving interviews, Brady yelling at teammates, trying to take out Ed Reeds knee late in the AFC Championship game a few years ago).

    So give us a break Pats fans and enough with the Martyr BS!

  67. That’s three times now the Ravens have been recently misquoted or thrown under the bus for something the Ravens allegedly said or did. Seems like ESPN and the others will misconstrue facts or quote “unnamed sources”, regardless of the truth, for a headline. It’s quite refreshing to see an organization produce actual texts, emails, and named witnesses to set the facts straight in liue of hiding behind the 1st amendment and/or destroying evidence.

  68. It’s just hilarious to watch this drama unfolded.

    If people tend to believe what Harbaugh said, then why not believe what Brady said even under the oath? Brady has been going through so many interviews and investigations, and still no evidence of wrongdoing is found! As a great role model in the past 15 years, Brady’s credibility is stronger than most coaches. I am not saying Harbaugh is a bad coach. He is just not at the same level as Brady in terms of achievement and role model.

    Think another way, with so much risk in ruining huge reputation built over 15 years, why would Brady even wants to do anything of tempering footballs with 1 or 2 PSI that most players won’t feel the difference?! The ROI does not justify that.

    It’s also funny to see that Colts coach actively seeks tips from the losing team of previous game to gain advantage over Patriots. We are talking about highly competitive and independent head coaches of NFL teams! See who behaves like a rat.

  69. This is something, Baltimore and Indy would not lie but that TB he is a liar. Sounds to me like the NFL as a whole is a mess.
    Just think BB told Baltimore what a great coach JH was and they should hire him in Baltimore. What a back stabber, just like Eric man genious.

  70. quickbooks12 says:
    Aug 5, 2015 11:17 AM

    I thought K balls were supposed to be brand new out of the box? Refs take a brand new ball, mark them K and that’s it. They’re brand new balls, which is why you see kickers rub and mash them on the turf prior to kickoff, to work them in. Were the Ravens using balls that were “worked in”?
    —————————————-

    All brand new balls are not created equal. Some are harder or softer.

    I suspect that what the Patriots were doing was choosing the worst of the K balls for the opposition and the best of them for themselves.

    The is another inconsistency that I haven’t seen addressed yet. Brady claimed that he doesn’t care what PSI the balls are inflated to but he also then claims to have complained that the supposed 16 PSI balls used in a game v. the NYJ were too big.

    So which is it? Does he prefer soft small balls to big hard ones? The “deflator” who got fired knows.

  71. Hopefully this proof will also be the end of the endless offensive holding the patsricks get away with.

    It’s pathetic to see the home refs not call all the holding when try to protect baby brady.
    I for one would be curious to see how the pats play without crutches and serial cheating.

  72. They are trying to force us to give a crap about the Patriots or Brady… We dont care anymore… Kraft paid for a Super Bowl and got it… They ‘re more important topics than deflate gate… almost dont even want to read anything with it .. they cheated and everyone knows…

  73. “The Ravens also released the text message that Randy Brown sent to Pagano on January 16: “Make sure the refs rotate the kicking balls cause last week they wouldn’t let our ball in the game. Their ball was done so poorly that it was nearly impossible to kick off deep…It was hard and not worked in well at all…Let Tom (McMahon, Colts special teams coordinator) know he can call me at any time.””
    —————————————————
    Section 2
    BALL SUPPLY
    Each team will make 12 primary balls available for testing by the Referee two hours and 15 minutes prior to the starting time of
    the game to meet League requirements. The home team will also make 12 backup balls available for testing in all
    stadiums. In addition, the visitors, at their discretion, may bring 12 backup balls to be tested by the Referee for games
    held in outdoor stadiums. For all games, eight new footballs, sealed in a special box and shipped by the manufacturer to
    the Referee, will be opened in the officials’ locker room two hours and 15 minutes prior to the starting time of the game.
    These balls are to be specially marked by the Referee and used exclusively for the kicking game.
    —————————————————–
    What’s this our ball, their ball stuff? Rule seems to clearly state only specifically marked kicking balls, sealed in a box are to be used. I can read this to say the Ravens wanted to use their own ball instead. Now wouldn’t it be rich if indeed the league let’s team’s use their own kicking ball disregarding rule 2, section 2? One wonders what the Ravens were trying to pull? Were they trying to get deeper kickoffs than the Patriots? Sure seems that way.

  74. Amazing…The Patriots Cheat and the only comments we have are forced by reporters about the Ravens Coaches…Hey…how about asking Bellichek what he knew and when did he know it?

  75. But Brady had no clue or preference for football air pressure until a Jet game in October 2014. That’s what Brady claims, LOL. The same guy who is quoted in 2005/06 as saying he lost sleep worrying about the condition of the footballs. Then lobbied the league in 2006 to change rules to give teams unprecedented ability to manipulate balls before games. The same guy who casually admitted he likes deflated footballs in a radio interview in 2011. The same guy who said he didn’t know 32 yr patriot employee Jim “the Deflator” Mcnally who just so happened to refer to him as the Deflator at least as early as May 2014, well before that October 2014 Jet game. The same guy who knows obscure ineligible receiver rules that have since been changed.

    Brady is a lying cheater. He cheated for YEARS. The NFL wants to punish him, but minimize the idea he gained a significant competitive advantage. End of story.

  76. Wow…how nice for an owner and coach to say something definitive, versus Kraft and Bellichek. That has already been commented on, check your notes. hahaha. Patriot Mgmt have no class and no ethics.

  77. Honestly I don’t care if the Ravens special teams coach discussed this with Pagano…its normal to talk shop and share info. I don’t think the Ravens should have to fear anything but in the state of paranoia that NFL is in everyone would rather lie than own up to sharing a detail or a mistake.
    I’m unapologetic Patriots fan but if Brady was involved with directing the equipment guys to deflate the balls after the officials cleared those balls for play, he should be suspended end of story, due process portion aside. If the NFL was found to make a mountain out of a mole hill (ignoring the ideal gas law), it’s time for new management and vacating the punishment handed out by the NFL.
    Now in regards to the idiots who bring up Lewis and Hernandez, Lewis was on the roster before the current ownership took over, he didn’t cause much trouble since that situation and he wasn’t found guilty. In regards to Hernandez there were red flags and they were ignored, Kraft acknowledged the mistake and moved on. If people think none of the NFL players have character issues people need to grow up. In addition I read an article about Mariota saying that not having any red flags is a red flag, what the hell is that? Some of this stuff seems like it is right out of a WWE story arc. I mean honestly all we need is someone to come out in the hallway and deck someone with a folding chair.
    Anyways either way the situation hashes out in court with this, I (and I hope a lot of people) will be happy this conversation is done so we can move onto talking about football (fully inflated).

  78. After reading most of the appeal hearing record I do know one thing for certain. Kessler is an excellent attorney.

    Not often you see a lawyer testifying and giving up the stuff Wells gave up.

    Kessler also linked the testimony of several witnesses to make it very difficult for the NFL’s counsel to deconstruct the damage.

    Judge Berrman is a smart guy. How does Goodell in good faith hold Brady accountable for violating a competitive integrity policy that Mr. Wells cited in his report, the Game-Day Operations Manual, and that Vincent testified under oath that Brady was not given (and that Vincent himself didn’t get when he was a player) and there is no precedent for any player being disciplined under that policy.

  79. Only read the first few comments. Just stupid. Ravens aren’t whining. Of course they reacted fast. Their PR department is still reeling from last years disaster with Rice.

    Please make the Patriots and their fans just go away. They can stay in the league, just wall them off from everyone else so we can stop hearing their noise.

  80. billswillnevermove says:
    Aug 5, 2015 11:24 AM
    Doesn’t really matter one way or another, they were still caught, doesn’t matter how.
    —————————-
    Not caught so much as accused and framed.

  81. People hanging by on the “Brady cheated” meme need to look in the mirror when pointing fingers at Brady supporters. No paragon of virtue but Skip Bayless has done a 180. I didn’t think I could go here but I will throw back the “we can all agree that Brady knew” narrative that is circulated on gas bag radio. “We can all agree” that the NFL screwed the pooch here. After 6 months of these hijinks that fact is unassailable. I don’t see how people can concur with that and in the same breath state that Brady deserves his punishment…because. So the NFL is either incompetent or devious. I’d prefer and maybe even admire devious. At least that would demonstrate an organized ruthless Machiavellian plan of some type. The NFL appears to be running from that accusation, so all that is left is incompetence.

  82. The Patriots cheat! Other teams can talk over strategy and what to look out for. That’s no crime!! It should be commended that the coaching staffs are trying to understand everything they can about their upcoming opponent before a game!

    This is a Red Herring by Patriots fans to shift the focus of the real issue!! The Patiots cheat, illegally tried to substitute a kicking ball into our game, got away with illegal substitutions that we not properly caught by the officials, and again deflected that criticism like the Ravens coaches were wrong (that their substations were legal – which they weren’t).

    Brady cheats, then lies, then covers it up, then destroys evidence. Belichek puts it all on Brady mitigating and confining the damage to Brady (and not himself, and not the team – purely pre-planned strategy). And it got them into the Super Bowl they didn’t deserve to be in, and they won!! Brady* cheated his way through the playoffs*, and won a Super Bowl*. He’s worse than a thief, he’s a liar, and he did it to the entire country!! The judge doesn’t want to cover this up, so the NFLPA will settle in order to conceal the truth from the public because he should go to jail for stealing consumer dollars!!

  83. Paralysis by overanalysis. Brady’s hummunna hummunna responses, the Deflator, destroyed cell phones is all you need to know.

    The gas law, Ravens, pressure gauges all equal the O.J. glove. Only dolts bought into Cochrane’s “if the glove don’t fit, acquit” line.

  84. I love it. Welcome to the sh•t show Raven fans. You are now in the thick of it. The coaching staff and the owner are now confirmed liars. It will be easy to find out the truth, just have the NFL conduct a 5 month investigation and turn over all the emails and cell phones. Might be a good time to come clean Ravens before that happens. The coach should be fired for damaging the shield.

  85. FrameGate is the Watergate of the NFL

    The crime of setting up and slandering an innocent man is bad enough

    But the cover ups are going to end careers

    Goodell must be VERY worried about losing his $40 million a year job. He clearly was last year when his resignation was being called for after slapping Ray Rice on the wrist for beating his girlfriend unconscious.

    And apparently Harbaugh STILL hasn’t read the rule book (as Brady admonished him to do – spurring the “allegation” in the first place)

    If he did he’d know the kicking balls are never in the possession of any team – they are purely in the control of the NFL officials

    Who of course have been shown to favor teams in the past when they cheated and over-inflated the Patriots footballs to a rock hard 16PSI

  86. ravensbmore52 says:
    Aug 5, 2015 11:07 AM

    The Patriots can act like they are clueless about Aaron Hernandez
    _________________________

    When the Patriots found out they had a murderer on their team they immediately released him and then offered their fans who bought his jersey full refunds.

    When the Ravens found out they had a murderer on their team, they welcomed him back with open arms and built a statue to him when he retired.

    Ravens fans are the LAST fans in all of professional sports that should be preaching about class or integrity.

  87. Of course it’s plausible Harbaugh was unaware of any communications between members of his organization and the Colts. At that point in time he probably still had has his nose well into the rule book studying the difference between legal and illegal substitutions.

  88. why does anyone believe anything out of the nfl office. concussions, Ray Rice, this…
    the nfl has shown once they pick a narrative they defend it to the end no matter what
    yet people take what they say seriously?

  89. It’s a mess. The Pats complained about overinflated footballs, the Ravens about kicking balls, the Colts about underinflation. One thing is clear, the officiating crew has no control over the balls.

    That’s the upshot. And the officials have gotten off scott free as the commissioner deflects blame away from them and onto the premier player in the game.

    You have to wonder how many times Vegas has tampered with the balls if the officials monitoring of them is so weak. Maybe they put out an O/U line on the PSI’s.

  90. So Harbaugh (proven to be telling the truth) is a liar, and Brady (obviously telling lies) is a truth-teller? Patriots fans, you are too much.

  91. .
    It’s now apparent why Bisciotti was leaning on Goodell to uphold the suspension and seal the records.

    Bisciotti didn’t want people to know that he, Pagano, Harbaugh, Vincent and Grigson were the architects of Frame gate.

    The fellowship of unsportsmanlike conduct
    .

  92. Ravens+Colts+NFL+Major Media Outlets < Patriots. This has to hurt for NE jihadists. This victory will be greater than the super bowl. The real scumbags have been exposed.

  93. Let me get this straight. Tom Brady under oath denies wrongdoing …. Haurbaugh kensil. Goodell Vincent wells pagano and grigson. All are lying to smear one of the greatest qb of all time … But the haters say Brady is the liar . Yet he is the only one willing to speak under oath ?? 20 years from only Brady will be remembered … He has the most to lose if he is caught lying under oath … I don’t believe he would risk it all over psi … The rest of these clowns would lie for PR and to save face …. Fact

  94. Why are the Ravens and Colts so sensitive, umm maybe because you are attacking these teams like they are the cheaters. We all know who the cheating team is and all of those rings are tainted and will always be.

  95. This is like when you were a kid and you got your *ss handed to you so you go and get your big brothers to gang up because you can’t beat them on the field.

    Whining about cheating, the last refuge of total losers.

  96. John Harbaugh, the lying liar who keeps on lying. And Whining.
    His offensive coordinator called pagano. Read the email.

  97. Instead of:

    John Harbaugh has been consistent in his answers to reporters about this since he was first asked on NBC-TV at the Super Bowl.”

    The Ravens statement should’ve said:

    ” John Harbaugh has been consistent in his answers to reporters about this since he was first asked on NBC-TV at the Super Bowl where he was a spectator.”

    >:)

  98. Somewhere along the way, someone is lying.

    Now that the transcripts have been made public, and thanks to Mike for the analyses, let me see if I’ve got this straight:

    1) Harbaugh, defeated by the Pats in the playoffs, belly-aches about some procedural point in the game.

    2) Brady says: “need to read the rule book” dude.

    3) That really stuck in the Ravens’ craw so Special Teams Coach, Jerry Rosenburg, calls Colts Head Coach, Chuck Pagano to alert them to Pats ball tinkering.

    4) Pagano then tells Colts Equipment Manger, Sean Sullivan, about his conversation with Rosenburg.

    5) Sullivan shoots an e-mail to Colts GM Ryan Grigson informing him that “it is well known throughout the league that the Patriots play fast and loose” with football inflation. [Sullivan words it this way to obscure the Ravens/Colts communications regarding the Pats and their footballs.]

    6) Grigson contacts The League, NFL Executive of Game Ops, Mike Kensil, a former Jets guy who is known for anti Pats bias.

    7) Kensil does not contact the Pats organization to make inquiries, instead he waits until halftime DURING THE AFC PLAYOFF GAME to sick the refs on the Pats ball issue.

    8) Kensil then leaks false information [complete lies]to ESPN Mortensen who dutifully broadcasts it far and wide.

    9) The gajillion dollar Wells report comes out and awkwardly attempts to match it’s narrative to the negative public perception generated by The League’s (read: Kensil) misinformation.

    10) Judge Richard M. Berman instructs both sides to file their cases with documents open to the public. [thank you, Judge Berman]

    11) The fingerpointing, denying, and obsfuscation by all these guys is ramped up as the light is shined on the roaches in this issue.

    Is that about right?

  99. swagger52 says:
    Aug 5, 2015 12:15 PM

    Hey…how about asking Bellichek what he knew and when did he know it?

    ___

    Why? Your favorite independent investigator cleared him of all knowledge of the situation. I mean, you do trust Wells don’t you?

  100. “You know the Ravens talk a lot for a team who has beaten us one time in the last 5 years.”

    — Tom Brady

    🙂

  101. STILLlolatpatshaters says:
    Aug 5, 2015 1:22 PM

    “You know the Ravens talk a lot for a team who has beaten us one time in the last 5 years.”

    — Tom Brady
    🙂
    _______________

    Man, I forgot that 2012 happened too. In your house.

  102. I’m inclined to believe him. There’s no more/less evidence of him knowing about any conversations between the Ravens and Colts than there is Brady of the ball guys deflating balls. It comes down to personal choice.

    You can believe a guy that has been nothing but stand up (even if he complains too much sometimes) for his entire career. Or you can’t.

    Notice that paragraph could apply to either Brady or Harbaugh.

    Or do you believe the people that hired a totally not independant law firm (part of the NFL counsel and actually cross-examined witnesses during the appeal???) who then hired a company that built their money off getting the “science” the people hired them wanted to see (second hand smoke, no big deal. asbestos, not dangerous…).

    If you aren’t a hater or a homer, just a random independant person seeing this for the first time, there’s only one conclusion to come to.

  103. How sweet it is…

    All the “false witness” to Ray Lewis by Patriot fans is paid back to their Tom Camelot.

    Ray Lewis was NEVER a suspect as a murderer. The day after he retired, an Atlanta article was written about how Ray was the fall guy for the Atlanta mayor. The mayor wanted the focus on Ray , not on 4 blocks of Atlanta that has since been razed. Look it up!

    Then along comes Tom Camelot and he actually CHEATS at the game – not outside the game, but inside the game. It is not the first infraction, and he likely has been doing it a long time.

    That is your pay back for all the “false witness”.

  104. How Awesome is this???

    Ray Lewis retires as a hero, after Patriot fans are left dismantling the Ray Lewis Retirement clock erected at Gilette.

    Shady retires as a cheat, after Ravens fans did nothing with regard to Brady because they don’t care about Brady.

    I can think of nothing better for Patriot arrogance.

  105. “Make sure the refs rotate the kicking balls cause last week they wouldn’t let our ball in the game. Their ball was done so poorly that it was nearly impossible to kick off deep…It was hard and not worked in well at all…Let Tom (McMahon, Colts special teams coordinator) know he can call me at any time.”

    What the hell are the Ravens talking about . The kicking balls are shipped new in the box to the game officials from the manufacturer before every game. There aren’t “theirs”and “ours” only “K” balls. Like all the other game balls, they are not supposed to be tampered with after entering the game. Are the Ravens claiming they get access to the kicking balls during the game and then “do(ne) them” to their satisfaction ?

  106. Just like the Colts helping the Giants in the SUper Bowl, with all their games film and dossier of information on their games with the Pats, etc etc. I always suspected teams help other teams based on personal grudges. It makes their success all that much more impressive.

  107. spartan01 says:
    Aug 5, 2015 12:27 PM

    Only read the first few comments. Just stupid. Ravens aren’t whining. Of course they reacted fast. Their PR department is still reeling from last years disaster with Rice.

    Please make the Patriots and their fans just go away. They can stay in the league, just wall them off from everyone else so we can stop hearing their noise.

    Ravens are whining that’s all they do when they lose to the Pats and get the league to change rules that are legal.

  108. Pats fans blubbering about liars and cheats is kind of like Lance Armstrong wondering where society went wrong creating so many dishonest citizens.

  109. Wow, the Patriots Haters so drug damage that they can no longer comprehend any of the new developments and facts that have surfaced, such as the Ravens pushing their denials and complicity in this fiasco which they thought their role would remain hidden.

  110. Not a fan of the either teams (Ravens, Patriots) but in this case I take the Ravens’ side when telling the truth. The Patriots organization, Brady, and their fans are pathetic, liars, cheaters, and a bunch of whiners.

  111. Would someone please tell me why it matters who tipped off the NFL that the Patriots were cheating? Why focus on the whistleblower instead of the cheater?

  112. ravensbmore52 says:
    Aug 5, 2015 11:13 AM
    I don’t care either if the Ravens told the Colts or not.

    Are the Ravens supposed to look bad for telling the truth?

    If the Patriots are so innocent, why did they suspend the ball boys in the first place?

    Why would Tom Brady destroy his own phone?

    Do you do any of those things if you are completely innocent?

    ——————————————————————–

    The Ignorance amazes me, but not so much that it’s coming from Baltimore with the worst school systems in the country, and highest crime rate, other than maybe Chicago. Again… Ball Boys suspended cause the THE LEAGUE TOLD THE PATRIOTS TO SUSPEND THEM INDEF. Why is that so hard to understand. even a 3rd grader should be able to. it was all over the news when it happened.

  113. 6ball says:
    Aug 5, 2015 12:59 PM

    .
    It’s now apparent why Bisciotti was leaning on Goodell to uphold the suspension and seal the records.

    Bisciotti didn’t want people to know that he, Pagano, Harbaugh, Vincent and Grigson were the architects of Frame gate.

    The fellowship of unsportsmanlike conduct

    —————————————————–
    Bisciotti has every right to lean on Goodell to rein in the cheating Patriots, considering they were likely cheating in the Ravens-Pats game before the AFC Championship. Don’t forget, it was Kraft who screwed Baltimore out of the home opener in 2013 following their SB victory, because he refused to agree to play on a Wednesday. And it was Kraft who put the Cundiff missed FG ball into the Patriots museum. Patriots have no class.

  114. if the ravens and/or more specifically the commish knew in advance about “deflation” and did nothing about it until half time.. they are complicit in defrauding the public….

  115. Still trying to figure out where in the email it says that in addition to the issue with the refs and the kicking balls the Ravens alerted anyone about deflated game balls.

  116. canedaddy says:
    Aug 5, 2015 11:08 AM
    Bottom line? Harbaugh definitely told Costas the truth, and there’s still no evidence to suggest that the Ravens told the Colts about deflation concerns.
    ———————————————————–

    Everyone who called Harbaugh a liar yesterday, post your apologies below. Thanks.
    ——————————————————–

    Sean Sullivan’s e-mail to Ryan Grigson makes it clear that the Ravens, including Harbaugh, are not telling the truth. It is NOT simply about the kicking or “K” balls. The part of the e-mail that begins, “As far as the gameballs are concerned it is well known around the league…”

    We’re supposed to believe Harbaugh and the Ravens had no idea Sullivan e-mailed Grigson?

    Haters, the Patriots and Tom Brady are waiting for YOU to post YOUR apologies below.

  117. .
    @bluejay88

    Bisciotti does not have the right to pressure and independent arbiter, the role Goodell was playing when Bisciotti started leaning on him.

    So, Bob Kraft put a ball under glass in a room in 2013 and the Ravens response is to set up a sting operation? Sore loser is an understatement.
    .

  118. Common sense tells me that there’s a really good chance the Ravens staff, who are largely great friends with their former defensive coordinator Chuck Pagano tried to “tip them off”. After Brady the Patriots ran up to the line of scrimmage and pulled that “#34 is ineligible – HIKE!” bush league stuff in the division game– which is NOW AN ILLEGAL PLAY – and then having Brady tell them to “read up on the rulebook” … I’ll bet my somebody on the Ravens coaching staff said to themselves: “Okay Tommy Bieber, you put it out there… how about we read the rulebook a little closer”. Now arrogant Tommy has a tainted legacy for himself and his team because somebody on The Ravens may have READ THE RULEBOOK and the NFL held the Patriots to it. I don’t know if the Ravens tipped off the Colts and set this in motion or not. I actually hope they did. If the Ravens knew they had 3 options – don’t say anything and let the cheaters tilt the playing field in their favor and risking the integrity of the game, say something to the Colts quietly and risk the sniveling Patriot fans whine on the internet, or tell the NFL. Looks like they may have went with 2. I am totally cool with that if that’s how it went down. “*” – tainted title.

  119. This is lovely non co-operation from Tom and Yee, after Wells was given a closed door by NE team counsel

    5 Q. Yeah. So why don’t you turn to the next
    6 Exhibit 70, because I think I can represent if you
    7 go to the third page of that exhibit, at the bottom,
    8 it’s 001584.
    9 And there is an e-mail to you from Donald Yee
    10 who I believe is Mr. Brady’s agent. And there is a
    11 reference to, I think, Exhibit 69, the request that
    12 was made on February 28th; is that correct?
    13 A. This is page 1584?
    14 Q. Yes, page 1584, you will see at the bottom
    15 there is an e-mail.
    16 A. Yeah. Now, this e-mail is from Mr. Yee to
    17 me. It is dated March 2nd. It says, “Dear
    18 Mr. Wells, nice to meet you.”
    19 Then he says, “On Saturday, February 28th,
    20 Mr. Burns at your office sent an e-mail to Mr. Dubin
    21 requesting that we, on behalf of our client, request
    22 a search of his text and e-mail communications dated
    23 from September 1, 2014 to present. We have
    24 considered this request. However, we respectfully
    25 decline.”
    1 I want to say that’s — there is no statement
    2 as to why they are declining. They give us no
    3 information. They say, “We decline.”
    4 Now, the next paragraph is important because
    5 it’s something Mr. Kessler said. The next paragraph
    6 reads, “On another note, we understand that you
    7 would like to speak with our client in person about
    8 the past season’s AFC Championship Game. Prior to
    9 confirming a time and date for such a discussion, we
    10 must ask with all due respect what is the precise
    11 basis for this proposed discussion? In our role as
    12 NFLPA certified contract advisors, we are obligated
    13 by the NFLPA agent regulations to be sensitive to
    14 collective bargaining issues, particularly if those
    15 issues may implicate player discipline matters.”
    16 So that’s what they asked me. They didn’t
    17 ask me at any time about authority for the phone.
    18 They had already turned me down in the prior
    19 paragraph about the phone information. They were
    20 asking me did I even have any right to talk to
    21 Mr. Brady? And they wanted me to give — to respond
    22 to that.
    23 And I sent them an e-mail telling them why I
    24 wanted to talk to him. But there was never any
    25 discussion directed to me or anybody on my team
    1 about not giving us the phone because of some
    2 concerns about the Union.
    3 In fact, to my recollection, you know, I know
    4 the Union was not permitted even to attend the
    5 interview, whereas they had Mr. Ned Ehrlich from the
    6 NFLPA was there at Foxborough that day. And we
    7 interviewed the kicker Gostkowski and Mr. Ehrlich
    8 did that interview, but Mr. Brady wouldn’t let the
    9 Union even sit in on his interview.

    what are you hiding Tom? Lots i think 🙂 🙂

  120. ravensbmore52 says:
    Aug 5, 2015 11:07 AM
    Boston Reporters are a joke.

    Patriots fans remind me of Penn State fans.

    The Patriots can act like they are clueless about Spyagte

    The Patriots can act like they are clueless about Deflate gate

    The Patriots can act like they are clueless about Aaron Hernandez

    So according to Patriots fans, the Patriots have known nothing about all 3 of these things

    Pretty much what they are saying is that the Patriots organization isn’t the genius they claim them to be.

    ===================================

    Ive lived in 5 NFL cities in the last 9 years – now live in Baltimore and I will say – the Raven fans have BY FAR the biggest victim-mentality I have ever experienced in any sport and ALL it starts with Harbaugh.

    Now he goes and doubles-down on a denial from SB week when there is an email that is completely unambiguous in its contradiction of his denials.

    I guess we can add Liar to the Whiner the Harbaugh label.

    Way to go….you earned every bit of it Johnny….

  121. jchemengr says:
    Aug 5, 2015 1:47 PM

    What the hell are the Ravens talking about . The kicking balls are shipped new in the box to the game officials from the manufacturer before every game. There aren’t “theirs”and “ours” only “K” balls. Like all the other game balls, they are not supposed to be tampered with after entering the game. Are the Ravens claiming they get access to the kicking balls during the game and then “do(ne) them” to their satisfaction ?
    ———————————————–

    Because in New England, apparently, footballs have this tendency to wander off after the referees have inspected them.

  122. The Patriots have a documented systemic issue with cheating dating back to 2007. . It makes you wonder how long the cheating had occurred before that. Patriot fans refuse to take responsibility for their organizations own actions. The Boston press exacerbates the cheating problem and prints inaccuracies with no retractions. Tom Curran wrote that Colts GM Grigsby was “a former member of the Ravens front office.” Grigsby never worked for the Ravens. Curran has yet to accept responsibility for his mistake by printing a retraction. Now Ben Violin another Boston journalist printed yesterday that there was “confirmation” the Ravens tipped the Colts off about footballs. Kicking footballs yes, deflated footballs no!!There is no where in the email exchange where the Ravens discussed “deflated footballs.”

  123. davebarnes21 says:
    Aug 5, 2015 3:01 PM
    Harbaugh is the biggest BABY in the entire NFL!
    ——————————————————–

    No, that would be Tom Brady, who throws a tantrum anytime he’s touched or even looked at.

    I know reading isn’t a strong suit with Pats fans, but in the story there it says: “Harbaugh definitely told Costas the truth, and there’s still no evidence to suggest that the Ravens told the Colts about deflation concerns.”

  124. Let’s see, Harbaugh and the Ravens got schooled and embarrassed by Belichick and Brady. Someone from the Ravens calls the Colts to watch out because the Patriots played the game with footballs below legal PSI levels. With the temperature of the Patriots – Ravens game being in the 20’s, the laws of physics show that a football inflated to proper PSI indoors will drop well below that range with a 50 degree drop outdoors. The conclusion – the whole argument against the Patriots that started this whole thing from the get go was bogus. It was purely done out of embarrassment, Jealousy and hate passed from the Ravens to the Colts to the former Jets and Eagle in the NFL front office, every one of who had an ax to grind because of being shredded over the years by the Patriots. Since then, it has been fueled by egos and the attempts to cover up this failed sting by the NFL. This also destroys the argument of the single most ridiculous member of the media, Greg Doyle of the Indianapolis Star. His premise is
    that the Ravens told the Colts to look for the Patriots playing with balls that the Patriots deflated actually happened when observed. The truth is it was the 20 degree weather in the Ravens game, and also the weather in the AFC Championship game that was the culprit. That explains that why, even after warming, 3 OUT OF 4 of the Colts footballs tested were illegally under the limit at halftime. As far as the Patriots illegally tampering with footballs before the AFC Championship game itself, it didn’t happen. GAME, SET, MATCH.

  125. Harbaugh must turn over his cell phone to Belichick immediately of the Ravens loose a first round pick.

  126. OK, now it is official – everybody even remotely associated with this case is lying.

    Tom Brady is lying that he didn’t know about low air pressure.

    Roger Goodell is lying about how this affects the integrity of the game and he is looking out for the best interests of the league and is an impartial judge.

    At least half the other QBs in the league are lying that they never tampered with air pressure on their game balls.

    The Ravens are lying bout their non-involvement.

    Tom deflated the footballs or was involved in it and that deserves a $25,000 fine. End of story.

    If Roger Goodell does not understand that, then he needs to be fired because he is only creating and intentionally prolonging this issue so nobody looks into how the NFL has conducted player and OWNER discipline over the past 25 – 30 years. That is a can of worms he is doing everything he can do to keep closed.

  127. After Brady the Patriots ran up to the line of scrimmage and pulled that “#34 is ineligible – HIKE!” bush league stuff in the division game– which is NOW AN ILLEGAL PLAY
    ===
    That’s not how it went down. You know that’s not how it went down.

    Stop lying.

  128. It’s pretty obvious to reasonable people that there were no purposely deflated footballs.

    Thus, it stands to reason that there were probably no prior conversations regarding it.

    I agree with Harbaugh.

  129. smasonsmith says:
    Aug 5, 2015 6:17 PM
    After Brady the Patriots ran up to the line of scrimmage and pulled that “#34 is ineligible – HIKE!” bush league stuff in the division game– which is NOW AN ILLEGAL PLAY

    ===============================

    i dont think its possible to be more misinformed about how it actually went down. the refs announced clearly on every play which player was eligible, and they even were telling suggs who had to be covered and who didnt. the truth is, the ravens players were unprepared bc the ravens coaches were unprepared. then again, baltimore has always been known as a more physical team, not a very cerebral one. Now i can see why.

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