Will Goodell face another media scrum in Canton?

Last year, Commissioner Roger Goodell encountered a mob of reporters in Canton who wanted answers regarding the manner in which he handled the two-game suspension imposed on former Ravens running back Ray Rice. This year, Goodell has yet to answer questions regarding the manner in which he handed the appeal of the four-game suspension imposed on Patriots quarterback Tom Brady.

Last year, the scrum got awkward, with at least one reporter nearly turning his recording device into an endoscope. This year, the situation hasn’t seemed to spark the same degree of public zeal outside of Boston — but the issue has become big enough in Boston that Boston reporters could create a scrum of their own.

And there are plenty of questions to answer, from the mischaracterization of Brady’s testimony to the decision not to require testimony from John Jastremski and Jim McNally to the league’s attempt to punish Brady under a policy never given to him to the NFL’s lack of knowledge regarding the natural deflation of footballs in cold weather to the league’s apparent campaign to spread misinformation early in the investigation to the league’s refusal to investigate its leaks to the league’s failure to correct the leaked misinformation although it has a habit of correcting misinformation to the irony of the decision not to hire Columbia to provide scientific expertise due to leaks to the league’s desire to keep the transcript of the Brady appeal hearing secret to whether Ted Wells was truly independent to other stuff I probably haven’t thought about or have forgotten about.

Unlike last year, Brady’s suspension currently is the subject of federal litigation. Which gives Goodell an easy out — he can say that he has been advised not to discuss the situation until the litigation ends.

Then again, Goodell was willing to address the Brady suspension publicly in May, even though it was the subject of internal NFL litigation.

But if we’ve learned one thing in the last week, it’s that internal NFL litigation over which a league-office employee presides isn’t real litigation. And until that changes, there will be plenty of real litigation over the outcome of internal NFL litigation.

166 responses to “Will Goodell face another media scrum in Canton?

  1. Perhaps additional questions should be asked:

    Is the NFL requiring Brady to waive his right to sue as part of settlement negotiations?

    Did the NFL see drafts of the Wells “report” or have input into its final form?

    Who disseminated the false information (11/12)?

    If it was an NFL official, has that official been sanctioned?

    If Brady is exonerated will the penalty against the Pats be reversed?

  2. The reporters are gonna lead with: “Mr. Goodell it was reported on ProFoootballTalk …” because noone else in the NFL media spectrum is sifting through this with an absence of bias.

  3. Judge calls him a liar in the Rice case. He’s caught lying in this case – and tries to seal the record of it. And people are still willing to believe him.

  4. rest assured that there won’t be any ESPN reporters asking about any of these topics.

  5. All this cuz mike kensil didnt pay attention in 9th grade science class. Thanks NFL. Thanks for hiring some of the most incompetent ax grinding homers who cant get over the failures of their teams deficiencies so they have attempted (and mostly succeeded) to destroy the pristine reputation of probably the greatest player to have ever represented the game.

    Thanks alot.

  6. Goodell must go. Never has their been so underhanded, corrupt and slimy commissioner as him in any US sport.

  7. It’s already started with Ron Wolf’s comments from yesterday. I don’t believe Ron’s was statement was intended to be complimentary.

  8. Goodell may make it through this, and if he does it is b/c he takes all the heat for the owners and continues to make money for the league.

    Thinking of creating a site that outlines the location of all owners public engagements. The idea would be to encourage fans to show up and directly voice their opinions to the owners.

    The fans love football in spite of the ineptitude of the current curators. Hopefully this would be a means through which the fans would actually be heard.

  9. I don’t want a settlement. Brady has already testified under oath. I want Goodell to testify under oath.

    And Mike Kensil, as well. Honestly, I don’t think he was part of any sting. He just doesn’t appear smart enough. But I do believe he was authorized to give the false leaks regarding the 11 balls that were 2 lbs under. So, who authorized it?

  10. He’ll probably get a standing ovation from a crowd of Patriot haters. It’s shameful what they’re doing to Brady.

  11. I hope he faces a scrum…good fun to watch.

    However, he’s going to go Belichick on us.

    “The Brady situation is a matter of Federal litigation and so I can’t comment on it right now.”

  12. Can you believe this guy is making over $40 million a year. You could put anyone in as Commissioner and the league would make money. Fantasy football drives the NFL nowadays.

  13. Florio – I wonder if you can put your lawyer hat on for a minute and talk about a potential defamation case. I know that the bar is set high for these, even more so for public figures like Brady who have to prove that their reputation was hurt, but also that whatever was said was done so knowingly.

    It seems like what you refer to (and link to above) as the “mischaracterization of Brady’s testimony” might fit that bill. It seems to at least check off both boxes based on what we learned from the release of the appeal transcripts.

    Do you think that this would be enough for Brady to file a defamation case and get it through the initial motions to have it dismissed? If so I would imagine that then Brady would be able to subpoena league documents and depose employees. If that happens it seems likely that there is the potential to find a treasure trove of info about anti-Patriots bias in the league office and proof that the Patriots and Brady were railroaded.

    Do you think that this is something that the NFLPA and Brady are using as leverage at this point? Do you think that Goodell and his cronies are thinking of this?

  14. No proof of Brady lying. Proof of Goodell lying. Also ironic, Goodell blasting Brady about his phone yet Goodell did not give up his personal cell phone during the Ray Rice investigation.

  15. This year, the situation hasn’t seemed to spark the same degree of public zeal outside of Boston —

    Well since the entire country outside of Boston and PFT know the Pats were caught cheating AGAIN this makes sense.

    Cheers.

  16. Also, by the NFL’s letter of the law (aka the league’s constitution and bylaws),Vincent and Kensil technically were not allowed inside the game officials’ locker room. Yet as the Wells report details (page 66), both Kensil and Vincent were overseeing, in some form, the process of football measurements inside the officials’ locker room at halftime.

  17. Goodell didn’t bring the Dorito Dinks in for the appeal because he’d rather lean on a made-up inference. It’s a theme. Goodell’s entire decision was relied on made-up inferences.

  18. Nobody likes the person that has to say “no” and disciplines, however, somebody has to do it. That is his job to protect the NFL. Back off FCOL!! I believe there is more to the Patriots fiasco then we know. Personally, I don’t like asterisks!!

  19. Goodell came out too hard in his denial of the appeal with respect to the significance of Brady’s refusal to surrender the phone. Goodell really did not reference any form of proof that the footballs were tampered with, as there wasn’t any. Just varying opinions between each sides paid experts on testing procedures and differing gauges.

    The recent publications of Brady’s personal emails that had nothing to do with Deflategate only reinforce that decision not to turn over personal information. Regardless of Ted Wells bluster about only looking at texts and emails relevant to Deflategate, everyone should now acknowledge that guarantee as worthless.

  20. “And there are plenty of questions to answer, from the mischaracterization of Brady’s testimony to the decision not to require testimony from John Jastremski and Jim McNally to the league’s attempt to punish Brady under a policy never given to him to the NFL’s lack of knowledge regarding the natural deflation of footballs in cold weather to the league’s apparent campaign to spread misinformation early in the investigation to the league’s refusal to investigate its leaks to the league’s failure to correct the leaked misinformation although it has a habit of correcting misinformation to the irony of the decision not to hire Columbia to provide scientific expertise due to leaks the league’s desire to keep the transcript of the Brady appeal hearing secret to whether Ted Wells was truly independent to other stuff I probably haven’t thought about or have forgotten about.”

    Picky, picky, picky!

  21. There has never been an argument as dumb as “Goodell makes a lot of money for the owners,” as if the financial success of the league is in any way connected to Goodell’s ability or intellect. The NFL is wildly successful in spite of its inept commissioner because of the sport’s immense popularity.

    Basically any sentient being could replicate Goodell’s “success” as commissioner, and most of them would do considerably better by limiting the non-football embarrassments the League has continued to suffer under his leadership. If anything, I would say that Goodell’s performance would be the floor in terms of potential outcomes for an NFL commissioner in the current climate.

  22. I love that there is no response to these transcripts, the haters just keep up with the same ‘Cheater’ mantra despite being unproven at every step.

    If Mort didn’t report initially that sounded like foul play, guarantee all you arm-chair pundits would be agreeing with what Pats fans have been saying this entire time.

    This was a sting, top to bottom, that failed because the NFL is led by fools, whose ineptitude is only rivaled by their collective ego. Goodell believed that he could seal these transcripts away and continue the railroad, and I can only hope more dirt on the Non-Factual League comes to light before the court date next week.

    If it even comes to that. Let’s see if Goodell truly believes all of his own hubris.

  23. Probably going to be more tame this year. Last year’s fiasco went more mainstream because it was a domestic violence thing.

    NFL fans are no less outraged by deflategate than they are the Ray Rice thing, but non-NFL fans also were tuned in to the Rice video, which caused the extra commotion.

  24. realitycheckbaby says:
    Aug 7, 2015 9:02 AM
    This year, the situation hasn’t seemed to spark the same degree of public zeal outside of Boston —

    Well since the entire country outside of Boston and PFT know the Pats were caught cheating AGAIN this makes sense.

    Cheers.
    ______________________________________

    Except the evidence doesn’t support that.

  25. Anytime a team nicknames the ball boy “deflator” and Brady destroys his cell phone, the PR battle is lost.

    Brady cheated (admittedly a minor offense), got caught, didn’t cooperate, and now must pay the price. Period.

  26. Any chance we will hear the phrase “run up the score” at all when describing the Pats this season? I believe so

  27. What we have learned and can now consider fact.

    1) It was a sting, complete with leaks and false information designed to garner favor with the Patriots hating fans.
    2) the Ravens and the Colts conspired with corrupt league officials with a plan to railroad the Patriots
    3) The Well’s Investigation was a witch hunt and was not Independent (AT ALL)
    3.5) There is no proof in the Wells report that there was any cheating.
    4) The conviction of the Patriots and the suspension of Tom Brady was a foregone conclusion
    5) The Appeal Process was rigged

    America your NFL!!!

    Goodell can always get a job as a third world dictator should this not work out.

  28. Yep. outside of Boston everybody has already accepted that the Patriots* are cheaters and Tom Brady* is a liar. All we do now is laugh at the fanatical Patriots* fans that turned into Bill Nye/Columbo to try and support their pathetic franchise. Enjoy that tainted legacy.

  29. Domestic violence is a very tricky subject to navigate. But Deflategate is not. The two strikes on the Ray Rice, then the Kevin Hardy were tough. But the Brady thing is easy. And he’s screwed that up beyond belief. He deserves what he gets.
    This is spinning out of control. And its only a matter of time before something else does too, and that’s why his days should be numbered. Because once the product starts being affected, he’s got to go.

  30. I would ask him how the internal investigation into the false and damaging leaks from your office is coming along?
    Then stand back and watch the blank expression.

    I only hope that some prominent national journalists ask him some of these questions face to face.
    He will deflect because he has no other way of answering the numerous lies and misrepresentations from him and his people.

    But he needs to hear these things because he is surrounded by people who would never bring up these misdeeds.

  31. I hope goodell is booed loudly in Canton and also publicly embarrassed.

    someone please anyone fire goodell

  32. Love Goodell it’s funny the way idiots are talking about him but let’s look at it this way, if these losers didn’t beat woman or didn’t try to cheat and lie about it, he wouldn’t have had to go through any of this. Blame yourselves not Goodell

  33. truthfactory says:
    Aug 7, 2015 9:13 AM

    While the deflategate investigation could have been better, it does not mean a guy named “the deflator” didn’t take balls into a bathroom where 5 balls were found to be deflated MORE than the maximum predicted effects of the “Ideal gas law”.

    ——
    Except for the part where the balls were NOT found to be more deflated than expected under Ideal Gas Law if you use the gauges Walt Anderson believes he used before the game.

    That’s kind of the crux of the problem here, isn’t it? Unlike with OJ, where you know someone was killed and prosecutors failed to prove OJ did it, there isn’t even proof that a crime happened, much less who orchestrated said fictional crime.

  34. Goodell had done the same thing in this case that he did in the Saints case. Remember “we have 10,000 documents proving they did it”? They had not one. Remember “we have a player on audio tape proving it”? They had none. Remember how he suspended several players for long periods because he could “prove” they were running a bounty scheme, only to have Tags say there was no proof and the suspensions were nullified?

    For months Goodell ran a negative PR campaign against the Saints, filled with lies and innuendos, and probably 95% of you bought it. And still do. Every time PFT writes anything at all about the Saints, commenters like you crack on the Saints about Bountygate.

    Today, however, probably 95% of the commenters on this site are furious with Goodell for running a false PR campaign against the Pats. And you should be. This is giving me hope that all football fans will finally realize what can happen when a person of low character is given too much power.

  35. truthfactory says:
    Aug 7, 2015 9:13 AM

    blah blah blah
    ________________________________________

    The problem with your analogy is that the science shows Brady and company didn’t do anything.

  36. Mr. Goodell, now that the smear campaign your office has been running for 7 month is common knowledge, how much longer do you foresee yourself making $44 million?

  37. Florio – I wonder if you can put your lawyer hat on for a minute and talk about a potential defamation case. I know that the bar is set high for these, even more so for public figures like Brady who have to prove that their reputation was hurt, but also that whatever was said was done so knowingly.
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    Brady’s team would have to show actual malice, so they would need actual proof that he was slandered. Unfortunately it’s an extremely high burden of proof, and a case like it (Vilma v Goodell) was dismissed by the judge, but not before admonishing the way things were handled by the league.

  38. @bcozthenight no one can Belicheck like Belicheck — it is an art form practiced by a master and Goodell is many things but a master of none.

  39. Goodell used this made up scam to perfection. He got everybody outside of New England to forget their past hatred of him and desire to get rid of him. He is now their hero and all the past screw ups don’t matter. All the mistakes and proof that this was a bag job doesn’t matter. Just wait till he screws over your team. Like the saying goes, be careful what you wish for people.

  40. Since these articles & comments are mostly trolled by the Cheaters faithful, will someone please provide a suggested motive for Goodell & the NFL to go after the league’s most high profile player & an owner who was closely aligned with the Commish? I keep reading these conspiracy theories & would love to know why you theorists think this nonsensical plot has unfolded???

  41. “I never understood how any jury could have let OJ Simpson go. There was overwhelming evidence against him…”

    My word you should be ashamed of yourself. Comparing a double homicide where the standard is “beyond a reasonable doubt” where there were dead bodies as evidence and his DNA all over the place — to a dispute over PSI in a football where the standard is “more probable than not” and no tangible proof of balls being deflated nefariously

    . Any idiot can see that if Brady were being held to “beyond a reasonable doubt” he’d walk in a heart beat and if OJ was held to “more probable than not” he would have been easily convicted.

  42. A Judge who did not rule this whole affair as an Arbitrary and Capricious Act, would find his ruling overturned in an admonished ruling by an Appellate Court.

    Florio gets it. Trolls don’t.

    #FrameGate

  43. Forget deflategate…

    Why is the NFL thinking of selling season tickets in LA when there isn’t a team?
    This is a version of selling seat licenses, but there are no seats. No stadium. No team name.

    Ask Roger, if he needs to be super-super greedy to impress the owners and to hide his incompetence. This man is ruining the game we love.

  44. tdne says:
    Aug 7, 2015 8:55 AM

    He’ll probably get a standing ovation from a crowd of Patriot haters. It’s shameful what they’re doing to Brady.
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    So 5 or 6 sad individuals is a crowd?

    If there is going to be a scrum, maybe they can get “The Deflator” to inflate a football like the referees did in that Jets game.

  45. It was perversely too much in Goodell’s apparent interest to overcompensate for his past failures by being excessively tough on a hated team to help his standing with 31 owners. It was a golden opportunity for him. Ideal Gas Law notwithstanding, he had enough to punish the Patriots under the rules and still not crush one of the leagues’ largest assets in Brady. The owners want the Patriots’ punished (via draft picks) as much as or more than they want Brady off the field. However, he got greedy, took it way too far and even lied because he thought the transcript would never be released. Now he is actually harming the league and its owners with something that should have been a layup for him to benefit from. Sad.

  46. The NFL feeds lies to eager reporters willing to forgo their credibility …..Chris Mortenson, Judy Battista.
    Why would any major media reporter risk the wrath of the NFL and jeopardize the cozy business relationships between corporate parent and NFL. ESPN has not printed one word regarding the appeals transcripts because that would paint their Sugar Daddy Roger Goodell in a negative light. Brady will lose his fight just so the NFL can reestablish Goodell’s power….disgusting.
    The American Physical Society recreated the January game day conditions and also calculated correctly applied math…”””Healy and his team did their best to recreate the changes in temperature and moisture the ball underwent from the warm locker room to the cold rainy field. They soaked the footballs in water with a damp rag and stored them in a 50-degree room for about two hours. “In that time we saw that there was an on average 1.8 psi drop in the footballs,” Healy said.””
    The NFL lies

  47. bastageman says:
    Aug 7, 2015 9:18 AM

    Yep. outside of Boston everybody has already accepted that the Patriots* are cheaters and Tom Brady* is a liar. All we do now is laugh at the fanatical Patriots* fans that turned into Bill Nye/Columbo to try and support their pathetic franchise. Enjoy that tainted legacy.
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    Not really. Those particular delusions only exist in the small minds of a few individuals that hate the Patriots/Tom Brady no matter what.

  48. Yes, probably this doesn’t necessarily belong here but why fans did not make more of the “Suck for Luck Campaign” that the Colts put on the year before they drafted Luck. Why aren’t more of you upset that more deserving teams who really were not very good should have had that shot at Luck. No way I believe the Colts did not cheat for Luck unless you really believe the Colts could not win more games because Manning was hurt. Patriots went 11 and 5 with Matt Cassell a QB that never threw a pass in college. They Colts scored Luck after having the great Peyton Manning all those years. That is what you should call serious cheating. Colt’s organization are pure cheaters. Funny how this just gets a free pass. Demoralizing really!

  49. Apparently by these comments, it’s a great strategy. #suckers

    You’re the sucker for believing that Goodell is an honest man. He has got you and a lot of other people fooled. He can do that because people always want to believe the “establishment” wouldn’t do something underhanded, even though it happens over and over again. Brady’s no choir boy, but the league office has some sort of an agenda here and its becoming more and more evident every day.

  50. usmutts,
    pats already knew after spygate what goodell/espn were like. unfortunately if it’s not their team being shafted then people don’t care. the 95% of fans slamming goodell on here are pats fans, with a smattering of saints fans. nothing has changed, and nothing will change.

  51. This liar needs to be held accountable. He was so arrogant he thought the full testimony of Tom Brady appeal hearing would stay secret. Now that it’s out it proves he is a liar and frankly that alone should be enough to fire him.

  52. Oh I almost forgot I have to believe that Commissioner Goodell is the most disingenuous, dishonest and untrustworthy commissioner in all of the 4 Major Sports in this country. I hope that honor and justice is served in all things regarding Tom Brady and the Patriots and Roger Goodell. Someone has to restore real integrity to this league sooner than later and more likely than not. Praying that the judge restores true justice to the greatest misrepresentation ever perpetrated against an innocent player and team by the NFL’s front office. Restore our believe in this league and get on with the games without those who can never be trusted again.

  53. How about asking Goodell:

    “Roger, can you convey how it feels knowing this is the last Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony you will preside over?”

  54. “Why are there so many Patriots shills?”

    Because the people who have actually read and comprehended the various things Goodell has done understand this whole thing is a sham.

    Those of you like yourself who just blindly hate the Pats and examine none of the real evidence and facts are happier blinding shouting cheater than comprehending what has actually been going on.

  55. Good Job Mike,
    I would add the significant difference in punishment or absence of investigation intensity in Brett favre’s , Minnissota ball boy and Arron rodger remarks ect. ect.

  56. Hey Florio, given the underhanded way Framegate has been handled by Goodell and the shenanigans of “independent investigator” Ted Wells, I think it’d be worth taking a closer look at Wells’ previous “independent” investigation for the league: the 2013 Dolphins Bullygate scandal involving Jonathan Martin and Richie Incognito.

  57. Here is a theory about Jastremski and McNally. The NFLPA didn’t want to put them through any more abuse, at Brady’s request perhaps. They had repeatedly denied illegally deflating balls to Brady to Kraft and finally to Wells, many hours of expert high pressure lawyerly questioning. The lack of a confession in the Wells report is glaring. So Goodell calls them in and they contine to say the same thing under oath “we didn’t do anything.” Plus Kessler is there to frame his questioning in a manner that favors them. Take away the deflection, the ball guy narrative, and Goodell has absolutely nothing.

  58. The reason there isn’t much interest beyond Boston is because most fans are glad that Brady is being suspended. They welcome anything that helps their team regardless of whether it’s right or wrong. It surprises me that the Cowboy’s, Saint’s and Washington fans aren’t more supportive. Every fan should be concerned, your team could be next, don’t think for a second every team isn’t doing everything it can do to push the rules to the very edge to gain an advantage. That seems to be what happens here. Brady wanted his balls at 12.5, the rules said he could have them there. He plays in New England where the temps are lower in the winter so the balls are softer. Goodell over reacted and is now harming the integrity of the game. A lot of people hate Brady because he is a Patriot but for the sake of argument put Brady in your favorite jersey and see how you’d feel about it.

  59. Where is the outcry for the over inflated balls in the jets game? If ball psi level is so important are ref’s not accountable for the “integrity of the game”.

  60. I’m a Giants fan but as an Engineer the scientific work (or lack thereof) fascinates me. Don’t forget that Exponent left out “time” as a variable in their analysis. Ya know, the analysis that concluded that the balls were tampered with. I believe we’ve all reached the conclusion that the most probable sequence of events was test Pat balls, reinflate Pat balls, test Colt balls which is why they only tested 4 Colt balls – they ran out of time. If you read the comments from Dean Snyder. When you include the data (exponents own findings) regarding time and the possibility the balls were wet, the unexplained difference in pressure between the Pats balls and Colts balls drops from .7 psi to .07 psi! There should never have been a conclusion that the balls were tampered with in the first place.

  61. mswravens says:
    Aug 7, 2015 9:35 AM
    Since these articles & comments are mostly trolled by the Cheaters faithful, will someone please provide a suggested motive for Goodell & the NFL to go after the league’s most high profile player & an owner who was closely aligned with the Commish? I keep reading these conspiracy theories & would love to know why you theorists think this nonsensical plot has unfolded???

    Seriously? Who’s to say this isn’t being forced on Goodell from other owners? There’s PLENTY of motive and conspiracy theories there. Heck, the rest of the NFL teams are convinced the Patriots have been cheating for the past 10+ years. How many times have we heard that Goodell is representing every team? To think a group of owners got together and forced Goodell to pursue this really isn’t that far fetched. It’s more probable than not since Goodell doesn’t have a fraction of brain power to concoct this own his own.

  62. Goodell knows a large segment of the football fan base and quite a few of his owners don’t care about anything other than punishing NE and Brady. He will be defiant.

  63. Goodell is an idiot just like any of you that actually think anyone deflated the footballs played with during the AFC Championship game.
    I’m sure most of you are still waiting for Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny to show up at your house.
    Get a clue!!!!!!!!!!

  64. What a bunch of NE homers on this Board. Brady won a SuperBowl. He got his 4th ring. It worked. You should be smiling all the way to the Bank. It should be comical. A little after-the-fact medicine. Who cares? Unless somebody can actually tie PSI to fewer turnovers, which nobody appears to be doing, so what? Brady and you profess too much. Due process, failure of proof, and overreaching–all to spin Goodell as being on a witch hunt, true or not, there is a reason: Goodell and 31 other owners believes Brady did it. And everyone with a brain, you included, know it. He did it. Move on. What bunch of sore winners.

  65. bushwoodcc says:Aug 7, 2015 9:15 AM

    realitycheckbaby says:
    Aug 7, 2015 9:02 AM
    This year, the situation hasn’t seemed to spark the same degree of public zeal outside of Boston —

    Well since the entire country outside of Boston and PFT know the Pats were caught cheating AGAIN this makes sense.

    Cheers.
    ______________________________________

    Except the evidence doesn’t support that.

    ======

    Evidence? Evidence! Don’t talk about Evidence!

    -Every hater that somehow still believes Brady cheated.

  66. If i’m Goodell i answer every question like this ” when it is fully explained why the “deflator” mentions he isn’t going to ESPN yet when talking about the footballs, why Brady and the “deflator” who before had supposedly never spoken texted each other 12 times and held a CLOSED door meeting in the QB’s room.

    simple isnt it ?

  67. Did anyone hear Schilling on Mike and Mike the other day go on about this? It was so awkward when Cris Carter and Greenie realized where he was going and basically shut him down. “Uhhhh, Curt, we’re going to have to get you on another show to talk about that”

  68. Everyone fully understands that the penalties levied against the Patriots**** were for Belicheat right. Sean peyton lost a YEAR for “lack of institutional control”. this would have been belcheat’s SECOND offense. Kraft took one for Belicheat.

  69. This whole issue really happened because the league did the wrong thing from the start.

    The Colts, angry with the Patriots on behalf of pal John Harbaugh over the deceptive eligible receiver plays and Brady’s comments regarding reading the rule book, decided to try and get the Patriots the following week.

    Likely fully aware that balls will reduce in air pressure they filled their footballs up to max allowed PSI and sent that contrived Sullivan note to the league (maybe after already discussing it with Kensil would be my guess).

    Then the league, instead of just informing the Patriots about Sullivan’s note and warning them that ball pressure would be carefully checked during the game decided it would do nothing and see what happened.

    That very move could have prevented DeflateGate. That’s not what they did… Instead they let the game go on, not recording one PSI measurement prior to the game start, even though there was heightened awareness about this issue and they planned to retest at half time.

    Allowing a game to go on despite having knowledge that there might be a ball integrity problem.

    Then suddenly they happened to squeeze an intercepted ball caught by D’Quell Jackson who they said reported the ball as soft. In actuality he denied that completely, and we now know the tip came way before the game via email. D’Quell interestingly was arrested not long after denying it… not that it’s related.

    Why handle it that way? Maybe because they knew there was no ball integrity problem?

    They probably already knew they would catch the Patriots at that point, as the Colts balls would show up still above the 12.5 limit given their starting PSI and the Patriots balls would end up lower due to the weather.

    The owners were probably looking for a way to investigate the Patriots operation, and this was it. It was just embarrassing when nothing, outside of a few texts were found in probably hundreds of thousands of emails and texts including Bill Belichick’s.

    The Patriots weren’t doing anything else outside the rules and this issue was all they could pursue.

    After all that happened, they couldn’t drop it. The NFL had to pursue it to the end, and now they have.

    Hopefully the Judge makes it right and at least provides a consistent penalty to Brady which would be a fine only (and not a huge one).

  70. Until the owners stop making $$$$ why would the motivation to get rid of him. They don’t care about the players health, they don’t care about them being treated fairly, they don’t care if Goodell is lying, all they care about is making money.

  71. mswravens says:

    Since these articles & comments are mostly trolled by the Cheaters faithful, will someone please provide a suggested motive for Goodell & the NFL to go after the league’s most high profile player & an owner who was closely aligned with the Commish? I keep reading these conspiracy theories & would love to know why you theorists think this nonsensical plot has unfolded???
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    I can handle that one for you, Kensil had a hair across his @#$ about the Patriots since BB dumped the Jets. Combine that with the Ravens being butt hurt about losing and Brady saying “learn the rulebook”. They called the Colts, who have a history of crying to the league about losing to the Patriots (see the 2004 illegal contact rule enforcement) and the Colts called the league before the game (just like they called the league before the 2003 playoff game against the Pats worried about contact with the receivers downfield). At which point Kensil found his opportunity to “get” BB back and catch him red handed at cheating. Ironic that Kensil attended no games all year but was in NE the night of the AFCCG. Not knowing anything about air pressure and cold temps he thinks he’s caught them. He leaks info to the press (kravitz & mort) and viola, you have the biggest story in sports 2 weeks before the biggest game. It’s all anyone talked about in sports for 2 weeks, but what weren’t sports people talking about? Concussions, Greg Hardy, Ray Rice, AP. Leading in to the Super Bowl, if everyone wasn’t talking about psi, what would have the questions been? I promise you it would have been about concussions & domestic violence. Goodell did not drum up this “controversy” but when it took on a life of it’s own he used it to deflect away from his bumbling of truly much larger issues. Now he’s tied his wagon to this horse and he has to ride it out. Unfortunately, the NFL offices make the Keystone cops look like they’re Seal Team 6 and he has another potential disaster about to blow up in his face.

  72. 3andone says: Aug 7, 2015 10:11 AM

    Where is the outcry for the over inflated balls in the jets game? If ball psi level is so important are ref’s not accountable for the “integrity of the game”.

    —-
    Here is a theory.

    Those game balls were at 16 PSI for a reason…BECAUSE… this was the NFL’s first attempt at a sting to catch the Patriots deflating footballs.

  73. I will be extremely disappointed if Brady does not get full exoneration, all penalties against the Patriots vacated, and lengthy apology from the NFL (Goodell in particular).

    Brady and the NFLPA should NOT accept anything less. At this point i’m not sure what the Judge is hoping to get out of settlement talks. If anything here is how the case should go:

    Judge: Brady – go home and enjoy some relief and have a great season.

    Goodell: Wha??

    Judge: Goodell – get in my chambers NOW!

    There should be no compromise on Brady’s part – end of discussion. Its full exoneration, no penalties for Brady or Pats – otherwise he should go all the way for the NFL’s jugular!

  74. truthfactory says:
    Aug 7, 2015 9:13 AM

    While the deflategate investigation could have been better, it does not mean a guy named “the deflator” didn’t take balls into a bathroom where 5 balls were found to be deflated MORE than the maximum predicted effects of the “Ideal gas law”.

    ————–

    here are the problems with your argument:

    Exponent says if the balls started at 12.5 then accounting for the Ideal Gas Law they should end up in the range of 11.52 to 11.32, based on the assumed temperature inside the locker room and the ‘field’ temperature of approx. 48 degrees, which was obtained from the weather station located atop the southern scoreboard at Gillette Stadium (which, by the way, is not on the field, so the field temp may have been warmer, may have been the same, or may have been cooler…..nobody knows).

    Using the logo gauge as Walt Anderson says he did, here are the halftime measurements:
    11.80
    11.20
    11.50
    11.00
    11.45
    11.95
    12.30
    11.55
    11.35
    10.90
    11.35

    That shows 3 balls below the expected range, 4 balls above it, and 4 balls right in the range.

    In addition, the intercepted ball, which wasn’t used in any of the analysis, was tested 3 times with one gauge with readings of 11.35, 11.45, 11.75, all which fall within or above the expected Ideal Gas Law range. Interestingly, those tests have a range of 0.40 psi. Why is that….why aren’t they all the same? What if they tested the other 11 balls 3 times, would there have been a similar range for each ball? Nobody knows….but it is a possibility.

    Troy Vincent testified that the balls appeared wet. Patriots offense had possession for 10:18 of the second quarter, more than twice that of the Colts at 4:42. The balls are put back in the bag when not on offense, so it is likely that the Patriots balls were more wet than the Colts’ balls.

    But then they use the Colts’ 4 balls tested at halftime as the gold standard to figure out which gauge was used. Balls that were likely drier (ever come out of a cold rain with wet clothes? what’s the first thing you do….it’s change your clothes because you warm faster when dry because the water takes longer to warm.) So you have Patriots balls that were likely wetter measured first, then only 4 Colts balls that were likely drier and measured last. But they use the Colts balls to determine the gauge used on all balls was the non-logo gauge, and not even a complete survey set?

    Walt said his ‘best recollection’ was he used the logo gauge….but Wells also got Walt to say it ‘is possible’ he could have used the non-logo gauge. If Wells isn’t going to go by the ‘best recollection’ (although he did with everything else Walt said) then he needs to include all of the other possibilities, including the possibility that one gauge was used for Patriots balls and the other for Colts balls. But nowhere in the Wells or Exponents reports do they cover that possibility.

    The basic point is…..there are so many of the variables unknown that non of this is reliable in any way, shape or form. You change variables that are assumed, you change the conclusion.

    Who knows…..its possible that the actual conditions could have favored the Patriots, and its possible that the actual conditions could have made it worse for the patriots. But NOBODY KNOWS what those actual conditions and variables are.

    That’s why the conclusions are unreliable and therefore meaningless.

  75. The Truth says:
    Aug 7, 2015 10:26 AM

    Everyone fully understands that the penalties levied against the Patriots**** were for Belicheat right. Sean peyton lost a YEAR for “lack of institutional control”. this would have been belcheat’s SECOND offense. Kraft took one for Belicheat.

    ——————-

    The penalties levied against the Patriots look like they were the result of a completely unfair process. They might still get overturned. Got to wait and see.

  76. That’s a nice tale. You left out the punch line: Brady actually did it. You think Montana and Aikman have an ax to grind? The “Deflator” invented himself? Brady destroyed his cell phone b/c there wasn’t damning evidence on it. Keystone cops, sure. But the Keystone cops were actually chasing bad guys, weren’t they? Guess your upset that the Keystone cops actually got their guy? Outrageous.

  77. mswravens says:
    Aug 7, 2015 9:35 AM
    Since these articles & comments are mostly trolled by the Cheaters faithful, will someone please provide a suggested motive for Goodell & the NFL to go after the league’s most high profile player & an owner who was closely aligned with the Commish? I keep reading these conspiracy theories & would love to know why you theorists think this nonsensical plot has unfolded???

    Absolutely I’ll provide a motive. Goodell’s standing is poor after Bounty, Rice and AP. A quick and easy way to improve that standing with 31 owners and fans of 31 teams is to be excessively tough on a hated (eg, successful) team. If you need a glimpse of the upside for Goodell, please see the Ron Wolf video.

  78. At this point Goodell* has shown himself to be so incompetent it should be clear to all that he’s only a puppet of a handful of owners who both wanted to “get” the Patriots and also help Goodell* change the headlines from last year’s Domestic Violence/Ray Rice Debacle

    For awhile Goodell* has been riding high in public opinion for 31 NFL markets

    Given the litany of borderline criminal activities, we may see renewed calls for his resignation

    But it’s the OWNERS who deserve the focus and responsibility for what they’ve created. WHICH OWNERS knew of this witch hunt? WHY WON’T THEY SPEAK OUT AGAINST GOODELL*?

    It is THEY who bear responsibility for the fact that neither their Commissioner, his office or the entire NFL now has any integrity or credibility

  79. sleetmiles says:
    Aug 7, 2015 10:19 AM
    What a bunch of NE homers on this Board. Brady won a SuperBowl. He got his 4th ring. It worked. You should be smiling all the way to the Bank. It should be comical. A little after-the-fact medicine. Who cares? Unless somebody can actually tie PSI to fewer turnovers, which nobody appears to be doing, so what? Brady and you profess too much. Due process, failure of proof, and overreaching–all to spin Goodell as being on a witch hunt, true or not, there is a reason: Goodell and 31 other owners believes Brady did it. And everyone with a brain, you included, know it. He did it. Move on. What bunch of sore winners.

    “Goodell and 31 other owners believes Brady did it. And everyone with a brain, you included, know it. He did it.”

    The problem is submitting a realistic and logical scientific explanation for it to Goodell, the owners and NFL fans alike and being called homers as a result. Sore winner indeed.

  80. reebsta says:
    Aug 7, 2015 10:35 AM

    Until the owners stop making $$$$ why would the motivation to get rid of him. They don’t care about the players health, they don’t care about them being treated fairly, they don’t care if Goodell is lying, all they care about is making money.

    ——————

    That’s a common mistake in business. Keeping someone because they get results even though you think they are an idiot.

    Sometimes that person isn’t the reason they get results. What’s to say that some other commissioner couldn’t step in and generate more money (or at least less cost, which wouldn’t be hard the way Goodell is going) and do a better overall job.

    Everyone can be replaced in business. Everyone.

  81. Looking the other way on “bounties” — a year suspension. Looking the other way about an NE employee deflating” footballs — no suspension. Yes, the NFL is biased . . . er, wait. It does make you wonder why. Guess NE employees handling footballs are not directly under BB’s control (fiction) like assistant coaches.

  82. ***why fans did not make more of the “Suck for Luck Campaign” that the Colts put on the year before they drafted Luck. Why aren’t more of you upset that more deserving teams who really were not very good should have had that shot at Luck. No way I believe the Colts did not cheat for Luck unless you really believe the Colts could not win more games because Manning was hurt. Patriots went 11 and 5 with Matt Cassell a QB that never threw a pass in college. They Colts scored Luck after having the great Peyton Manning all those years. That is what you should call serious cheating. Colt’s organization are pure cheaters. Funny how this just gets a free pass. Demoralizing really!***

    This is an excellent point. One that is not talked about enough. If i were a fan of one of the bottom feeders, id be pissed.

  83. Estimates are that Brady will lose in the neighborhood of 4 million a year in endorsement revenue. I think that’s going regardless of the outcome in this case. I know he’s already rich, but that is a lot of dough.

    So forget the 1.8 million in salary if there is a 4 game suspension. It probably means he loses 20 million in future endorsement money at least. That’s what Goodell has done to him. If he’s guilty no one would care, but if he isn’t (Even Wells theoretically gave him a 49% chance of being innocent) then that really sucks.

  84. whatjusthapped says:
    Aug 7, 2015 9:15 AM
    Anytime a team nicknames the ball boy “deflator” and Brady destroys his cell phone, the PR battle is lost.

    Brady cheated (admittedly a minor offense), got caught, didn’t cooperate, and now must pay the price. Period.

    Again, if we’re working under the cheating mantra, somehow Brady must have ordered McNally to deflate the Colts balls as well. It’s disingenuous to suggest Brady ordered balls to be deflated and somehow throw out the fact the Colts balls were also under the permissible limit. It just doesn’t make any sense. You can’t cherry pick facts. You can’t claim the Pats balls were deflated by manual intervention and apply scientific reasoning for the Colts balls. The scientific explanation explains ALL of this. Every single bit of it.

  85. mswravens says:
    Aug 7, 2015 9:35 AM
    Since these articles & comments are mostly trolled by the Cheaters faithful, will someone please provide a suggested motive for Goodell & the NFL to go after the league’s most high profile player & an owner who was closely aligned with the Commish? I keep reading these conspiracy theories & would love to know why you theorists think this nonsensical plot has unfolded???
    _______________________________________

    Also…add Brady et al vs. NFL (2011) into the mix. Payback time in the leagues eyes. Even the highest of high profile players “need to be taught a lesson” is likely how they think.

  86. truthfactory says:
    Aug 7, 2015 9:13 AM

    While the deflategate investigation could have been better, it does not mean a guy named “the deflator” didn’t take balls into a bathroom where 5 balls were found to be deflated MORE than the maximum predicted effects of the “Ideal gas law”.
    ———————————————————
    So explain this. If that one word is the beat all end all proof that Brady cheated why wasn’t McNally forced to testify at the appeal? Why wasn’t there one quote from McNally’s interviews with the Wells team included in the Wells report? Why did the NFL fight and win to keep the interview notes sealed? Well the last one is easy. Just look what happened when the appeal transcripts were released. My guess is that Pash is busy “wordsmithing” the investigators interview notes as we speak.

  87. mswravens says:
    Aug 7, 2015 9:35 AM

    Since these articles & comments are mostly trolled by the Cheaters faithful, will someone please provide a suggested motive for Goodell & the NFL to go after the league’s most high profile player & an owner who was closely aligned with the Commish? I keep reading these conspiracy theories & would love to know why you theorists think this nonsensical plot has unfolded???
    ———————————-

    It should be clear to anyone that can read and comprehend that various members of the NFL thought they were going to catch the Patriots cheating during the AFCCG by using footballs that were deflated after the refs checked them.

    Mike Kensil got the train rolling at halftime of the AFCCG, when he “weighed” the footballs, and declared that the Patriots were in big effing trouble.

    Fuel was added to the fire when the league leaked false information about 11 of 12 Patriots footballs were 2PSI below regulations.

    Tom Brady innocently answered a question about whether he cheated and replied:

    “I don’t believe so.” “I feel like I’ve always played within the rules. I would never do anything to break the rules. I believe in fair play, and I respect the league.”

    “I’m not a conspiracy theorist. I have no idea what happened.”

    Which is a perfectly reasonable response, when asked such a question.

    Of course, the Hater Faithful would only latch on to the first sentence, and ignore the rest.

    Then there started to be reports of the footballs being deflated by Mother Nature, but it is not possible to suspend or fine her, so that notion was dismissed by the league.

    By the time that smart people started to figure out that the footballs more likely than not were not deliberately deflated, it was too late, as the NFL Fail Train was by this point a runaway.

    As to why the NFL has continued this charade in the face of overwhelming evidence that contradicts the notion that the New England Patriots deliberately deflated footballs, well, you would have to ask Roger Goodell, and merry band of former Jets employees.

  88. The thing about this whole scenario that just bums me out is the extent to which so many people are willing to accept the low-hanging fruit. Probably 60-75 percent of the people in the country still believe that the balls were 2 PSI low and will never bother to learn otherwise. Among the remainder, a substantial number still assume that the balls were too low to have been caused by nature and that the Patriots must be guilty of something, whatever that is, because the media loves to depict the Patriots as anti-heroes. Then, you have the so-called “worldwide leader” in sports coverage basically ignoring anything that might offend the NFL. I’m not sure who’s worse: the public for being so easily manipulated or some media for simply playing along. Either way, it’s just hideous to watch.

  89. Page 45 Footnote 24 from the Wells report. It’s staggering! “The message also included an express request that the Colts be permitted in the AFC Championship game to use kicking balls that Sullivan would break in. The email referenced as a basis for the request information said to come from the Baltimore Ravens that Ravens players had not been provided with Ravens-prepared kicking balls during the provisional playoff game. As discussed in sectionIX it was ultimately agreed that the Patriots would use kicking balls prepared by Jastremski and the Colts would use kicking balls prepared by Sullivan.”

    From rule 2 section 2 regarding ball supply:

    “For all games, eight new footballs, sealed in a special box and shipped by the manufacturer to
    the Referee, will be opened in the officials’ locker room two hours and 15 minutes prior to the starting time of the game.
    These balls are to be specially marked by the Referee and used exclusively for the kicking game.”

    Answer me this, how were Jastremski and Sullivan supposed to prepare them in two hours and 15 minutes unless they were given to them way before that. In other words rules were broken and I’d like to know who allowed that to happen. And isn’t the idea of the kicking ball rule to prevent “doctoring” of kicking balls? One big example of the shameless phonies the NFL and their “alleged” rules are. It’s apparent it’s okay by the NFL to bend and tweak them.

  90. “mswravens says:
    Aug 7, 2015 9:35 AM

    Since these articles & comments are mostly trolled by the Cheaters faithful, will someone please provide a suggested motive for Goodell & the NFL to go after the league’s most high profile player & an owner who was closely aligned with the Commish? I keep reading these conspiracy theories & would love to know why you theorists think this nonsensical plot has unfolded???”


    Because back in January the commissioner had just been admonished by a federal judge for LYING during his investigation of the Ray Rice case. He was coming off a string of embarassing gaffes that had deeply eroded his support with the public and the owners of many NFL teams. Some reports predicted he wouldn’t survive the owners meetings, or at the very least would have his pay and powers stripped down.

    So when a few clowns in his office — most of whom have deep ties to the Jets– conspired with the Colts and Ravens to catch the Pats in what they thought was a rules violation, Goodell saw a way out.

    He preyed on the emotions of the nation, most of whom HATE the pats and allowed his office to create a major controversey out of what at it’s worst was a minor equipment issue.

    But it all went horribly wrong. When they clownshow realized that the Pats actually had done NOTHING wrong, and science explained the whole thing, Goodell doubled down rather than admitting the league had screwed up once again.

    And it just got worse and worse. The more he and his team lied, the more worse it got. They never thought the appeals transcripts would get out, but now that they have it’s there for everyone to see.

    Pats were framed. The text messages were taken completely out of context to fool the foolish. And here we are today.

    In a way it worked, however. Goodell has GAINED support of several owners. But you have to wonder if that is short lived. it sure looks like the judge is about to lay a beating on the NFL

  91. spittake1 says:
    Aug 7, 2015 9:48 AM

    Why are there so many Patriots shills?
    ——————————-

    More importantly, why aren’t there more people that can identify the sham that the NFL is perpetrating?

    How much evidence of NFL wrongdoing do you need to see?

  92. If the deserved suspension against Brady is upheld, the punishment should be doubled. Why is it that appeals can only go one of two ways: same or reduced? There ought to be consequences for frivolous appeals and wasting the courts and NFL’s time. You lose, and additional punishment is added.

  93. “truthfactory says:
    Aug 7, 2015 9:13 AM

    While the deflategate investigation could have been better, it does not mean a guy named “the deflator” didn’t take balls into a bathroom where 5 balls were found to be deflated MORE than the maximum predicted effects of the “Ideal gas law”.”


    Pay attention man. That’s not true. They were all exactly in the range PV-nRT predicts, assuming you believe the ref was telling the truth when he said which guage he used pre-game (The NFL assumed he was wrong for reasons nobody has explained).

    They also completely disregarded Brady’s testimony in the investigation and again at the appeal because (Goodell said) he was not credible when he said his conversation with JJ after the AFC Championship Game didn’t touch on what happened to the balls.

    Only problem with that was IT WAS A LIE! AGAIN.

  94. more probable than not…. the new standard of american justice….and if anyone knew about the supposed “deflations” in advance and said nothing are they not complicit in defrauding the public?

  95. m056432 says:
    Aug 7, 2015 10:14 AM

    I’m a Giants fan but as an Engineer the scientific work (or lack thereof) fascinates me. Don’t forget that Exponent left out “time” as a variable in their analysis. Ya know, the analysis that concluded that the balls were tampered with. I believe we’ve all reached the conclusion that the most probable sequence of events was test Pat balls, reinflate Pat balls, test Colt balls which is why they only tested 4 Colt balls – they ran out of time. If you read the comments from Dean Snyder. When you include the data (exponents own findings) regarding time and the possibility the balls were wet, the unexplained difference in pressure between the Pats balls and Colts balls drops from .7 psi to .07 psi! There should never have been a conclusion that the balls were tampered with in the first place.

    ———-

    plus, both of those gauges gave readings in increments of 0.05…..so the difference could have been even less than 0.07

  96. ******THIS JUST IN******

    Rodger Goodell, NFL commissioner, has just announced a 4 game suspension for SCIENCE. He alleges the suspension is for failure to cooperate in the Patriots, Tom Brady illegal deflation independant investigation conducted by Mr. Wells.

    ******MORE TO FOLLOW******

    After discovering that science(as well as common sense) has never been allowed in the leagues front office to begin with, the suspension has been rescinded. (As long as it never shows it’s face around there again. I.E. NFLPA lawsuit for concussions.) Science has remained silent and hasn’t offered up any comment.

  97. Other than the fans of the Ravens, Bills, and Dolphins, do a lot of true NFL fans really hate the Patriots?

    I know there is the vocal minority that think they cheat all of the time, because they win all of the time, but those delusional folks don’t really count.

    I’m a Chiefs fans, and I would love it if the Chiefs were anywhere near the organization that the Patriots are.

  98. mmack66 says:
    Aug 7, 2015 12:20 PM

    Other than the fans of the Ravens, Bills, and Dolphins, do a lot of true NFL fans really hate the Patriots?
    ———

    I’d add Steeler, Jet, Eagles, Rams, and Raiders fans to your list. And more recently Seahawks fans.

  99. “As the most powerful and respected Commissioner in sports, do you think the League’s amazing success and growth can continue at the same pace, or will people somehow get accustomed to your handsome, authoritative presence?” — ESPN

  100. sleetmiles says:
    Aug 7, 2015 10:46 AM

    That’s a nice tale. You left out the punch line: Brady actually did it. You think Montana and Aikman have an ax to grind? The “Deflator” invented himself? Brady destroyed his cell phone b/c there wasn’t damning evidence on it. Keystone cops, sure. But the Keystone cops were actually chasing bad guys, weren’t they? Guess your upset that the Keystone cops actually got their guy? Outrageous.

    ———-

    Everything you know about Deflategate came from the Keystone cops. You are accepting it as 100% truth.

  101. tb12bb says:
    Aug 7, 2015 9:00 AM
    How about: Mr. Commissioner, what is 2 + 2?

    Report comment
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    Don’t bother asking. He’ll just try to convince you the answer is 5.

  102. At the “2015 State of the League Meeting Minutes”, Roger Goodell listed the 100 issues facing the league. Want to know where the Redskins name “controversy” was ranked? IT WASN’T.

  103. “sleetmiles says:
    Aug 7, 2015 10:46 AM

    That’s a nice tale. You left out the punch line: Brady actually did it. You think Montana and Aikman have an ax to grind? ”


    Yes, both have been surpassed in the GOAT discussion by Brady. These are competitive men

  104. .
    @mmack66

    “I’m a Chiefs fan and would love it if the Chiefs were anywhere near the organization the Patriots are. ”

    Amen brother, one of the reasons Patriots fans are very protective of the Patriots / Brady is that they’ve averaged 12 wins per season since 2001 and that every game they play has playoff implications ( the post season begins week one).

    Patriots fans are experiencing a streak that may not be replicated again due to the salary cap. And yes, it’s true that they don’t win the Super Bowl every year, no team does. But for the last 14 seasons they’ve been in the hunt every year and for football fans living in a cold weather climate, you can’t ask for more.
    .

  105. “badmoonrison says:
    Aug 7, 2015 12:53 PM
    tb12bb says:
    Aug 7, 2015 9:00 AM
    How about: Mr. Commissioner, what is 2 + 2?

    Report comment
    ———————————————-

    Don’t bother asking. He’ll just try to convince you the answer is 5.”


    Is that a metric 5?

  106. j0esixpack says:
    Aug 7, 2015 10:51 AM

    But it’s the OWNERS who deserve the focus and responsibility for what they’ve created. WHICH OWNERS knew of this witch hunt? WHY WON’T THEY SPEAK OUT AGAINST GOODELL*?

    It is THEY who bear responsibility for the fact that neither their Commissioner, his office or the entire NFL now has any integrity or credibility
    ———————————–

    Why would any other owner risk the wrath of Emperor Goodell? He turned an act of Mother Nature into one of the biggest debacles in sports history. And he did it to an owner that heretofore always had his back.

    People always express confusion over why Robert Kraft didn’t fight the fine and loss of draft picks. It is because he can see the bigger picture of the NFL, whereas Emperor Goodell can’t see beyond his ego.

  107. mswravens says:
    Aug 7, 2015 9:35 AM
    Since these articles & comments are mostly trolled by the Cheaters faithful, will someone please provide a suggested motive for Goodell & the NFL to go after the league’s most high profile player & an owner who was closely aligned with the Commish? I keep reading these conspiracy theories & would love to know why you theorists think this nonsensical plot has unfolded???

    It’s simple really.
    1) Roger handled a series of personnel matters extremely poorly and took a lot of heat for it.
    2) Several situations were botched so badly by him that they were ultimately overturned once the truth got in front of someone who knew what they were doing and were objective. (Ray Rice, Adrian Petererson, Saints and Dolphins etc.)
    3) Roger got a lot of criticism for being “controlled” by Bob Kraft.
    4) He has gotten lots of criticism for treating the Patriots and Brady too favorably.
    5) The Patriots have gotten under lots of people’s skin because they keep on winning, proclaim the Patriot Way, come up with innovative plays etc.
    6) Brady is the all american boy. Star athlete, rich beautiful wife, etc This is very annoying to lots of people.
    7) Needing to come up with a “win” to salvage his sagging reputation let alone his outrageous salary. He sees the opportunity to use the Patriots and Brady as scapegoats. and concocts this wildly out of whack scheme to silence his critics. He is aided and abetted in this by a cast of characters from the “gang that couldn’t shoot straight” and this collective goes on to botch nearly every detail of the set up to the point where they are all now in the crosshairs of their own making.

    There is your motive. If he pulls it off he shows himself to be 1) not under Kraft’s thumb 2) A strong competent leader that knows what he is doing 3) Takes down and ruins the reputation of one of the leagues best and most respected players. 4) Puts the Patriots in a deep hole for making the playoffs let alone seeing the embarassment of them winning another Super Bowl again.

    However in spite of his lies, back stabbing covering up the truth, concocting “new” science , feeding the media false information he has not pulled it off and may yet find himself on the street disgraced.

  108. looking further ahead, does roger have the stones to show up at gillette for the kickoff game?

    it would be an unprecedented cascade of boos never before seen in pro sports. kansas city and seattle would have a new challenger for loudest crowd noise.

    can he ever step foot safely on the property again?

    maybe bob kraft can get him tickets in section 323 and give that security crew the night off?

    please, please, please come to foxboro roger. pretty please!!!

  109. So apparently Goodell thinks this is funny….

    *****
    The exchange was brief, but if there’s any more damage to be done to Roger Goodell’s credibility in New England, this might have done it.

    The Pro Football Hall of Fame dinner aired on NFL Network on Thursday night. As part of the event, new inductees were given their yellow jackets for the first time. Presenters helped the inductees don their coats, then the inductees were congratulated by Goodell.

    When Ron Wolf, a former NFL executive who served as a Super Bowl-winning general manager for the Packers (1992-2000), was greeted by Goodell, Wolf shook his right hand and slapped Goodell’s shoulder with his left.

    “Way to go on that Brady thing,” Wolf said, referring to Deflategate. Goodell reacted with a big laugh as he walked out of the camera shot.

    *****

    Perhaps this should get a little exposure

  110. I will be extremely disappointed if Brady does not get full exoneration, all penalties against the Patriots vacated, and lengthy apology from the NFL (Goodell in particular).
    _________________________________________
    In what Universe do you live in Pat Homer?

    Even if Roger Goodell is wrong and Tom Brady* wins the lawsuit, which is highly unlikely, There is no way in hell…Let me repeat, NO WAY IN HELL, ROGER GOODELL, APOLOGIZES.

    Sink into it and keep on crying. YOU ARE DISSAPPOINTED.

  111. I’m not sure Goodell* has the capacity to answer any of those questions. Tip of the hat to Tom Curran for summing up Goodell* with this exchange from the transcript:

    [Goodell] asked Brady if he ever walked the stadium on a Saturday. Brady said “Yes.”

    Goodell: “You did?”

    Brady: “Yes.”

    Goodell: “Yes?”

    Brady: “Yes.”

    Forty.
    Million.
    A.
    Year.

  112. History has proven that whenever a Public Figure rises in Power & Authority without Restraints and Safe Guards, the People whom he agreed to serve became his slaves.

    Lawlessness was the Law unto himself and he was the Supreme Judge of his corrupted laws. To speak against the laws of his authority became the penalty of death. The chosen means of death could be loss of employment, home, business, finances, friends, social acceptance, defamation, prison or literal death.

    Hail Your Leader – Goodell

  113. So Goodell, who laughed hysterically over Ron Wolfe’s deflategate comment, which I took as sarcasm, thinks this is a laughing matter.

    I expect it was just a release of tension but it displays Goodell’s lack of situational awareness.

    I suspect that such displays make Brady and his camp make less willing to make any major concessions. Goodell, whether he understands it or not, needs Tom to release the NFL, the NFL suits, the media members the NFL used, and Goodell himself from a defamation suit. Judge Berman can’t impose that on Brady. Brady’s been eviscerated by the NFL and the media. A defamation suit, in Massachusetts, would release an avalanche of secrets and eviscerated the NFL and their henchmen.

  114. Confused by Florios take on Wolf. BB always has had a strong relationship with the Packers, often trading draft picks and low level players. Perhaps that relationship developed post Wolf? My take was Wolf was tweaking Goodell.

  115. MAAAAA!!

    Tommy is cheating!

    How do you know?

    He won again!

    Time for the big boy pants kiddies. Maybe someday when you grow up you’ll win. Then you can listen to them call you a cheater.

  116. 6ball says:
    Aug 7, 2015 12:56 PM
    .
    @mmack66

    “I’m a Chiefs fan and would love it if the Chiefs were anywhere near the organization the Patriots are. ”

    Amen brother, one of the reasons Patriots fans are very protective of the Patriots / Brady is that they’ve averaged 12 wins per season since 2001 and that every game they play has playoff implications ( the post season begins week one).

    Patriots fans are experiencing a streak that may not be replicated again due to the salary cap. And yes, it’s true that they don’t win the Super Bowl every year, no team does. But for the last 14 seasons they’ve been in the hunt every year and for football fans living in a cold weather climate, you can’t ask for more.

    —–
    Agree with 99% of this post. The streak has less to do with the cap than it does with BB & TB (I can hear the teeth grinding out there).

  117. I guess it was too much to hope for a day without the pat brats whining…

    brady deserve all he is getting and more. Deal with it.

  118. “mswravens says:
    Aug 7, 2015 9:35 AM
    Since these articles & comments are mostly trolled by the Cheaters faithful, will someone please provide a suggested motive for Goodell & the NFL to go after the league’s most high profile player & an owner who was closely aligned with the Commish? I keep reading these conspiracy theories & would love to know why you theorists think this nonsensical plot has unfolded???”

    The fact is that Goodell not only did it, he got caught. As the information he tried to keep under seal comes out it, everything Florio states in his thread above was revealed. Maybe you have forgotten, but Florio was singing from the “integrity of the game” hymnal at the start of this nonsense and was won over by the mountain of evidence. Florio, to his credit, didn’t appreciate being lied to by the commissioner’s office. No fan should either.

    Goodell hasn’t been convicted by the circumstantial bs type of evidence the haters want to believe means Brady is guilty. He and his guys lied, leaked, violated the CBA, broke with established protocols, disregarded exculpatory evidence and created evidence to support their theory, ran an aggressive pr campaign to turn public opinion against Brady, called their legal advocates independent, and used them to put lipstick on their pig of an investigation, findings, and disciplinary action.

    They played a game of chicken with the most competitive winner in the NFL and Brady didn’t blink. Kraft did, Brady didn’t. It took six months to get this investigation out of the control of Goodell and subject to a federal judge. Despite all of the advantages the NFL has, their case looks bad and if they can win it will only be because they gamed the system and railroaded their best player, an icon of hard work and high performance.

  119. QUESTION

    If Brady deserves “all he is getting” for taking Oath and declaring: “I did not myself or have anyone violate Rule 17 footballs” – Under Oath with risk of Perjury, and Well$ Report has NO CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of wrongdoing by Brady & Patriots, and SCIENCE has PROVEN NO tampering with footballs, and Goodell LIED on National TV – No Sting Operation – and Goodell LIED about Brady’s phone and then LIED some more….

    What does Goodell, Kensil & the NFL deserve?

    If the Cover-Up is greater then then crime –

    What shall the Punishment be for Goodell who tried to hide the Truth from YOU – The Public.

    What shall it be?

  120. so what’s the chance Goodell & Brady cut a deal and it’s announced at, say, 5 pm today?

  121. “paulrevereshorse1775 says:
    Aug 7, 2015 3:30 PM
    so what’s the chance Goodell & Brady cut a deal and it’s announced at, say, 5 pm today?”


    Zero. Brady ain’t dealin’ unless it is full exhortation and an apology.

  122. If you really want to know what this case is about you need to understand that Mark Cuban supports Goodell. Mark Cuban, a guy that rants and raves at NBA officials and commissioners actually came out and said:

    “As far as 4 games being upheld, the NBA owner in me is surprised it wasn’t extended. The old saying ‘the cover up is always worse than the crime’ applies here.

    Once he destroyed his phone this all went from did he break the rules of the game, to ‘can he get away with deceiving the commissioner.

    We can argue whether 4 games was too much for deflating the ball. You can’t argue whether 4 games is enough for trying to make a fool out of the commissioner of the NFL.”

    This is class warfare; owners vs. player with the owners being represented by their henchman, the commissioner. The commissioner is the embodiment of the owners’ power over players. Players are expected to kneel before such power, even when it is arbitrary and unjust. The lesson in the most recent NFL disciplinary cases to the players is that even when you win, you lose and no player, not even Tom Brady, is above that reality.

    Brady didn’t blink. He fought back. He didn’t take the NFL imposed suspension but he took the real punishment the NFL unloaded on him over the last six months like a man. Revis doesn’t know what he’s talking about when he says otherwise because he is all about Mevis.

  123. BobbyHanks63 says:
    Aug 7, 2015 9:55 AM

    Yes, probably this doesn’t necessarily belong here but why fans did not make more of the “Suck for Luck Campaign” that the Colts put on the year before they drafted Luck. Why aren’t more of you upset that more deserving teams who really were not very good should have had that shot at Luck. No way I believe the Colts did not cheat for Luck unless you really believe the Colts could not win more games because Manning was hurt. Patriots went 11 and 5 with Matt Cassell a QB that never threw a pass in college. They Colts scored Luck after having the great Peyton Manning all those years. That is what you should call serious cheating. Colt’s organization are pure cheaters. Funny how this just gets a free pass. Demoralizing really!
    ———————————–

    This one is too close to call, because the Colts did suck without Peyton Manning. All they had was that Robert Plant look-a-like at quarterback.

    The Chiefs sucked that season, and there were many that hoped they would tank the season to get Andrew Luck. It likely would have been all for naught though, since the Chiefs never draft franchise quarterbacks.

  124. tigerlilac says:
    Aug 7, 2015 3:53 PM

    If you really want to know what this case is about you need to understand that Mark Cuban supports Goodell. Mark Cuban, a guy that rants and raves at NBA officials and commissioners actually came out and said:

    “As far as 4 games being upheld, the NBA owner in me is surprised it wasn’t extended. The old saying ‘the cover up is always worse than the crime’ applies here.

    Once he destroyed his phone this all went from did he break the rules of the game, to ‘can he get away with deceiving the commissioner.

    We can argue whether 4 games was too much for deflating the ball. You can’t argue whether 4 games is enough for trying to make a fool out of the commissioner of the NFL.”

    That’s great, except for the fact that Tom Brady was suspended before Emperor Goodell knew that he “destroyed” his phone.

    The “destroyed” phone was just a convenient, phony baloney excuse that Emperor Goodell came up with to “uphold” the suspension.

    Roger doesn’t need anyone to make a fool out of him. He does just fine on his own.

  125. granadafan says:
    Aug 7, 2015 12:08 PM

    If the deserved suspension against Brady is upheld, the punishment should be doubled. Why is it that appeals can only go one of two ways: same or reduced? There ought to be consequences for frivolous appeals and wasting the courts and NFL’s time. You lose, and additional punishment is added.
    —————————–

    So what happens when Brady wins? Roger Goodell has to be his butler for a season?

  126. “granadafan says:
    Aug 7, 2015 12:08 PM

    If the deserved suspension against Brady is upheld, the punishment should be doubled. Why is it that appeals can only go one of two ways: same or reduced? There ought to be consequences for frivolous appeals and wasting the courts and NFL’s time. You lose, and additional punishment is added.”

    Yea, like the NFL hasn’t been wasting the court’s time. Do you live under a rock?

    It took six months to get this case out of Goodell’s hands and in one week an avalanche of truth came pouring from the sealed transcript, almost none off it good for the NFL.

    The NFL has setup a system wherein it can lie, leak lies, manipulate public opinion, ignore due process, keep confidential anything that incriminates it and/or its executives and lawyers, build up reams of information on its target that it threatens to release to the public, make up rules, ignore precedent, overcharge to force a plea bargain or to just outright punish a player for not being submissive to the commissioner’s authority, and force the players to match the multi millions the NFL spends investigation and prosecuting the player.

  127. j0esixpack says:
    Aug 7, 2015 2:04 PM
    I’m not sure Goodell* has the capacity to answer any of those questions. Tip of the hat to Tom Curran for summing up Goodell* with this exchange from the transcript:

    [Goodell] asked Brady if he ever walked the stadium on a Saturday. Brady said “Yes.”

    Goodell: “You did?”

    Brady: “Yes.”

    Goodell: “Yes?”

    Brady: “Yes.”

    Forty.
    Million.
    A.
    Year.

    How about … warn the football? No Warm. warn? Warm. W-A-R-M.

    For cripes sakes … warn the football ?!?!?!?!?!?!

  128. FireRoger, The commissioner had no choice but to hire an outside agency to investigate this. If not, the Federal Government would have conducted an investigation. Now, I wish they had. One thing for sure, there would have been no destroyed cell phone. I am sure Brady would not like prison.

  129. Mr. Fkorio, thanks for daring to go where the lazy media is unwilling to go – after the truth.

    As soon as you put enough blood in the water the sharks will finally pay attention to this NFL death by 1000 cuts.

  130. Alwater, Goodell could not require JJ and JM to appear. And Florio knows why. He asked Brady and Brady declined to have them there. JM and JJ testimony buries Brady and he knows that. Florio has continued to bring up non issues that have nothing to do with the fact the Brady cheated and the NFL met their burden of proof.

  131. limakey says:
    Aug 7, 2015 5:59 PM

    FireRoger, The commissioner had no choice but to hire an outside agency to investigate this. If not, the Federal Government would have conducted an investigation. Now, I wish they had. One thing for sure, there would have been no destroyed cell phone. I am sure Brady would not like prison.
    ———————————

    It’s debatable whether they had an outside agency do the investigation.

    It’s also debatable if it was an independent investigation.

  132. limakey says:
    Aug 7, 2015 7:07 PM

    Alwater, Goodell could not require JJ and JM to appear. And Florio knows why. He asked Brady and Brady declined to have them there. JM and JJ testimony buries Brady and he knows that. Florio has continued to bring up non issues that have nothing to do with the fact the Brady cheated and the NFL met their burden of proof.
    ———————————-

    I got to hand it to you limakey. You are clearly the king of the delusional haters.

    Goodell could have called them if he wanted. Brady had no say in whether they could be there or not.

    If their testimony could have buried Tom Brady, Emperor Goodell would have had them appear.

  133. Mmack, I think it is fair to say no matter who the NFL hired to do this investigation, the same issues would be brought up.

  134. Mmack, Brady choose which witnesses to bring to his appeal, not the commissioner. The commissioner asked Brady if he wanted JM and JJ to appear because they have given conflicting testimony against Brady. Brady declined. Brady’s appeal witnesses were Brady’s choice and not the commissioner’s. And no, I am not hater. But my disappointment in Brady has turned to anger

  135. limakey, it’s this basic:

    1. Goodell found (without hard evidence according to Ted Wells, only circumstantial evidence) that JM and JJ deflated footballs below 12.5 psi.

    2. They denied the allegation.

    3. Goodell, based on the investigation and findings of the non-independent investigator that Goodell marketed as independent, that Brady was “generally aware” that JM and JR deflated footballs below 12.5 psi after the refs approved the game balls; a charge Brady denied

    4. If called to testify in the appeal, JM and JJ would have testified, under oath, that they did not deflate balls below 12.5 psi after the balls were approved by the referee

    5. Once JM and JJ’s testimony was on the record of the appeal hearing, Goodell would be duty bound to take that testimony into consideration in coming to his decision; the weight of three under oath denials is more compelling than circumstantial evidence

    6. Goodell would have had three targets of the NFL on record,under oath, dening the allegations, which is something neither Goodell nor his counsel wanted

    Of course, if the NFL thought the fear of testifying under oath was going to get JM and JJ to change their testimony (the canard you have been selling as a sure thing for six months) they would have called them as witnesses

    The least you can do is admit you got that part wrong.

  136. Tiger, you have made the same mistake that so many others have made. You have automatically transferred your sense of morals and right and wrong to others. I have no doubt you are are an honorable man. I have no reason to doubt that regardless of oath or not, you would tell the truth. You want people to believe that we must take people at their word and forget about the clear evidence they should not be believed.

  137. paulrevereshorse1775 says:
    Aug 7, 2015 3:30 PM
    so what’s the chance Goodell & Brady cut a deal and it’s announced at, say, 5 pm today?


    No settlement! Though I believe Brady more than The UNholy Trinity of Goodell, Vincent & Wells, I want to see all evidence in open court where no one can hide. Then let the chips fall where they may. Up until then this is a kangaroo court.

    If Brady was in the tank and lied then 4 games is getting off easy. Problem is that by virtue of the Wells report vs Roger’s “impartial” (rotflmao) independent review vs the transcript we know for rock solid certain that The Suits lied. There should be some blowback for them as well.

  138. “limakey says:
    Aug 8, 2015 8:29 AM
    Tiger, you just don’t get it.”

    Coming from you, sir, that is a complement.

    By the way, I understand people lie under oath. I have watched them do it in most of the depositions I have viewed. I have watched police officers tell blatantly false accounts of incidents on the witness stand of which I had first hand knowledge.

    You missed my legal point. Judges and juries are required to find based on the evidence. First hand witness accounts that are made under oath and are not factually disputed are best evidence. It doesn’t matter that you don’t believe Brady, JJ, and JM. If you can’t rebut their testimony with compelling facts it exonerates them. The NFL’s rebuttal is not compelling; it is based on faulty scientific evidence (the real science supports their testimony); it is based on biased witnesses that have been paid for their testimony which is clearly fudged; and, the NFL’s case denied Brady due process at a number of key points.

    Brady should win in Judge Berman’s court, not because the facts say he is innocent, which they do, but because Goodell was not a fair and impartial arbitrator who demonstrated a willingness to find for either party.

  139. “And no, I am not hater. But my disappointment in Brady has turned to anger.”

    This case is not about you and your feelings but that is the prism by which most haters view the proceedings. “Brady must have cheated”, is the silent voice in your heads. That voice soon turns into, “Brady cheated.” You have complete faith in your opinion, so much so that you are unwilling to consider the facts in an unbiased manner.

    Now that your belief system is being destroyed by an avalanche of facts and reality, you turn to anger, because you really believe you were cheated and you want the person that cheated you to feel the same hurt you feel.

  140. Tiger the proceedings were fair. I read the Wells Report, I read Goodell’s Final ruling and I read the Appeal transcript. There is no doubt that illegal deflation took place and Brady knew of it and approved of it. It was a fair process. Tom Brady has cheated the game of football and he has cheated his most loyal fans, fans who gave up honeymoons, who had his innocence declared in their obituaries, who had a free Brady rally. Fans who had so much faith in him. Brady repaid them by treating it the same as his evidence filled cell phone, by first destroying it then threw it way. He did nothing to me.

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