Incognito sounds off against Ted Wells

AP

The many flaws in the latest Ted Wells Report has caused some (e.g., me) to wonder whether there were flaws that went unnoticed in the first Ted Wells Report, the one that arose from the bullying scandal in Miami.

On the day that report was issued, lawyer Mark Schamel claimed on behalf of former Dolphins (now Bills) guard Richie Incognitio that the report was “replete with errors,” and vowed to “release a thorough analysis.” For reasons still not known (perhaps Incognito opted not to risk being permanently blackballed from the NFL), the analysis never was released.

Now back in the league, Incognito has articulated what many (e.g., me) are wondering about the original Ted Wells report. Did it have flaws that the media and fans opted not to smoke out because everyone just assumed Incognito got what he deserved?

“Ted Wells came in with a mission against me,” Incognito told Bob Glauber of Newsday. “Ted Wells came in slanted against me and everything in his report was slanted against me. There were some things in there that would have helped my cause that were left out.”

Glauber asked what was left out.

“Teammate testimony, stuff like that,” Incognito said. “You see that in Brady’s case. There’s a lot of stuff that got left out. There’s a lot of misinformation.”

So let’s have that information. If Schamel pulled back in the hopes that discretion would make it easier for Incognito to get back into the league, there’s no reason to hold back now. Release the analysis and clear Incognito’s name.

Incognito, who has come off very well in recent interviews, is now preaching to a growing choir regarding the need for a truly fair system for disciplining employees.

“I just think it’s bogus, the whole system in how it’s set up with Roger [Goodell] and the complete, absolute power he has,” Incognito said. “He has so much power and he hires independent investigators who come in and are obviously not independent. They come in with an agenda and they come in looking to find facts to back up their argument. All the facts are slanted in their favor.”

Incognito praised Goodell for other actions, like making the game safer. But Incognito wants to see real changes in the area of player punishments.

“I think with Roger, with so much power, just keeps fumbling over independent investigations and making everything public,” Incognito said. “I think it just needs to be a more concise system. Roger can’t be the judge, jury and executioner on this thing. I understand league discipline. You have to get after guys who are being dumb. But you can’t appeal back to the person who handed down your punishment. You have to get a little power out of [Goodell’s] hands and get [an independent arbitrator] to take a look at it.”

Incognito is right. Even though he received no further discipline from the league because the Dolphins already imposed discipline against him (and the labor deal allows for only one punishment), Incognito had no meaningful way to challenge the conclusions Wells made — conclusions that now cry out for a closer look given the flaws in the more recent Wells investigation.

And if that closer look happens, maybe the NFL will convene another Angry Ted Wells conference call.

77 responses to “Incognito sounds off against Ted Wells

  1. More and more players are coming out of the woodwork to defend Brady and yet the Brady haters keep dismissing them. Gee, wonder why?

  2. OMG! Some people are just incapable of learning. Incognito will be gone for good soon. He’s just a basket case.

  3. When will people realize that every single “independent ‘report'” is complete crap?
    Regardless of whether it’s about sports conduct, business, politics, or otherwise. If somebody is paying for it, then it is not independent and is subject wholly to the agenda of whoever is paying for the report.
    And more often than not, the reports that are pushed with the most conviction are the ones with the least amount of true substance.

  4. But people had no trouble railroading this guy based on the completely ridiculous allegations of a crybaby and only raised a stink when it was pretty boy Brady being the one rightfully punished for cheating, refusing to cooperate with a league investigation, and tampering with evidence.

  5. The NFL gives not so subtle hints as to the direction an investigation needs to go.
    Wells simply delivers what the league wants.
    Easy pay day.

  6. It’s official…anything incognito is against must be right.

    Richard Montgomery HS — Rockville, MD
    Every Saturday Morning you can get in on many football games both tackle and flag. I’ve gone out there many times both in cold and hot weather and ever since the whole deflategate facts came out I had to test the facts.

    Wouldn’t you know it but using the same air pump/gauge every football I’ve ever tested had the same psi in it 3 hours after either playing with it or it sitting on the sideline. Do you know what that means?

    It means that if the psi in the footballs for the AFC championship game had changed at all during the course of that 3 hour span, then someone must have changed it. Funny how we try to use “science” to dispute common sense…don’t believe me? Just go try it for yourself. Put what ever psi you want in a football and see if the reading changes after 3 hours. I already know the result!

  7. Goodell can’t appoint any truly independent investigators because his entire “regime” is flawed, at best, & generally suspect in the way that they conduct business.

    The problem of the commissoner having unbridled power is due to the lack of insight by the players association leadership & the players. They basically relinquished power for a less grueling preseason training schedule.

  8. “I just think it’s bogus, the whole system in how it’s set up with Roger [Goodell] and the complete, absolute power he has,” Incognito said.
    ____________

    Blame your fellow players and the NFLPA for not fighting that during CBA negotiations.

  9. To choose an investigator that is more passionate about truth and justice above all other concerns, is to ensure independent analysis free from preconceived agenda.

  10. Although easily the most popular professional sports league, under Mr. Goodell it has demonstrated the worst governance. The 32 owners are a mixed collection of successful business people as well as those who were “born on third.” Some have integrity and some are lacking in character. Each has his own agenda.

    It is sadly ironic that the owner most capable of building a consensus for the greater good (e.g labor settlements, international expansion) is now being railroaded by Goodell and his inept management team.

    Owners who have turned a blind eye to Goodell’s blatant lies because of their jealousy of the Patriots are becoming increasingly aware of the slippery slope they are walking.

  11. I believed Incognito when he was a Dolphin that the Well$ report was a witch hunt. I believe Brady that deflategate is a witch hunt by Well$ and the NFL*

  12. The Wells-Dolphins investigation might have been biased from the start, but given the witnesses testimony and electronic proofs, its a bit hard to challenge the conclusions… I agree that the NFL disciplinary process is a joke and there’s no place for fairness in there. It’s all about Roger. And i think that deflagegate showed us how bad it can go when there’s no place for a fair trial and such powers are handed to an ex jets employee from ny and his other ex jets friends in the office…

  13. Surprised that the anti Brady/Patriots goon squad has not commented on this.

    This is worth looking at, release the sealed records from the Incognito investigation. Lets see if anything that Wells does is worth the paper it is printed on.

  14. Jonathan Martin would not last a week at my fortune 500 company.

    Of course he would get all my coworkers fired when he showed all the text messages to up tight politically correct liberals.

  15. I’m not going to defend Incognito but as with Brady the goal with both Wells Reports was never the truth.

    The findings were always pre-determined and intended by Goodell to make himself look good even if that meant slandering others

    We still have no proof Brady or anyone in the Pats organization broke a rule

    We now have a wealth of proof that Goidell blatantly lies, leaks false information and has created a culture of corruption out of 345 Park Ave.

    Any owner who supports Goodell or remains silent in the face of his lies is responsible for destroying the integrity of the NFL

    And I STILL want to know what Goodell was hiding when he refused to give Mueller his cellphone in the Ray Rice VideoGate scandal

  16. Yes, if the NFL owners thought about anything but their pocketbooks, like maybe the good of the game, they would oust Goodell and his cronies before the season begins. They can’t be as blind as to not see that he is giving the NFL a bad name.

  17. Goodell is so evil, so inept and so ego maniacal that Richie Incognito comes across as the voice of reason. Incredible!

  18. Man, it amazes me that everyone would back a bully like Incognito. But there is a reason he’s still playing and Martin is gone. His reputation wasn’t hurt one iota. The Wells report on him might have even helped him in the macho culture of the sport.

  19. The last thing Brady needs is support from Richie Incognito. Here is the deal Richie. You have been getting in trouble since your college days and you have been released from every NFL team you ever played for. Drugs, DUI’s, PED’s, and of course bullying a guy who didn’t fit the culture. Guys like you give rise to guys like Goodell. Be happy there are still coaches like Rex Ryan who love having a psychopath on the roster.

  20. Incognito was correct when he though you can’t fight city hall. City hall is corrupt.

  21. While I think Incognito is a jerk and well deserving of many of the disciplinary actions against him, I also believe that Wells is a puppet for the office of the commish, and ‘More likely than not’ also slanted the Miami ‘independent investigation’ to suit the commish’s desires.

  22. Jonathon Martin has now retired. He has nothing left at stake here. Why not interview him regarding the findings of the Wells Report on “Bullygate” and see what he says?

  23. main difference is richie did not have science on his side.

    nfl’s filing friday essentially says a sham process is equivalent to a fair process, and it’s clear that the nfl routinely engages in sham processes.

  24. Some folks should just put their head down, shut up and do their job…especially when they are, arguably, the worse person in the NFL—and that’s saying a lot.

  25. yes the nfl chose to strike down 1 of its legendary, mount rushmore faces of the nfl for no reason other than they are patriot-haters..right…

  26. igornathanhiggers says:
    Aug 9, 2015 2:54 PM
    It’s official…anything incognito is against must be right.

    Richard Montgomery HS — Rockville, MD
    Every Saturday Morning you can get in on many football games both tackle and flag. I’ve gone out there many times both in cold and hot weather and ever since the whole deflategate facts came out I had to test the facts.

    Wouldn’t you know it but using the same air pump/gauge every football I’ve ever tested had the same psi in it 3 hours after either playing with it or it sitting on the sideline. Do you know what that means?

    It means that if the psi in the footballs for the AFC championship game had changed at all during the course of that 3 hour span, then someone must have changed it. Funny how we try to use “science” to dispute common sense…don’t believe me? Just go try it for yourself. Put what ever psi you want in a football and see if the reading changes after 3 hours. I already know the result!
    _______________________________________

    According to the Wells Report, when tested at halftime using the non-logo gauge (the one Wells concluded was used prior to the game) the Colts’ footballs measured 12.15, 12.30, 12.35 and 12.50 psi. Post-game, the four Colts’ footballs measured 12.10, 12.35, 12.45 and 12.50 psi. Since the Colts’ footballs were measured at 13.0 or 13.10 psi prior to the game, it means somebody let air out of the Colts’ footballs, too!

    I guess it’s time to investigate Luck and the Colts. After all, no one would tamper with the Colts’ footballs without the knowledge and consent of the quarterback … right?

  27. Associating with Incognito is risky, if you are generally aware that it’s more probable than not that people may think he’s a bully, you’re likely to get fined and suspended.

  28. Igornathanhiggers: I have literally done exactly what you said with temperature/barometric pressure drops and on average every 10 degrees the balls would lose .6 psi per hour. I guess you don’t have common sense, because science trumps your lies any day of the week. The ideal gas law is not fabricated, but what you’re saying could easily just be a lie.

    My tires lost 2 psi sitting in my driveway for 3 hours you donkey lol…. Please keep the results from your “science” experiments to yourself.

  29. incognito was screwed in the “bullying scandal” lost a year of playing and getting paid for trying to toughen up a sissy. any man who is martin’s size can’t expect anyone to take his side. a teammate was trying to help and lost a year. hope incognito has a big year and am happy that martin is done!

  30. igornathanhiggers says:
    Aug 9, 2015 2:54 PM
    It’s official…anything incognito is against must be right.

    Richard Montgomery HS — Rockville, MD
    Every Saturday Morning you can get in on many football games both tackle and flag. I’ve gone out there many times both in cold and hot weather and ever since the whole deflategate facts came out I had to test the facts.

    Wouldn’t you know it but using the same air pump/gauge every football I’ve ever tested had the same psi in it 3 hours after either playing with it or it sitting on the sideline. Do you know what that means?

    It means that if the psi in the footballs for the AFC championship game had changed at all during the course of that 3 hour span, then someone must have changed it. Funny how we try to use “science” to dispute common sense…don’t believe me? Just go try it for yourself. Put what ever psi you want in a football and see if the reading changes after 3 hours. I already know the result!

    ——————————————————————————————-

    This is amazing. You should book your ticket to Sweden to receive your Nobel prize for physics for disproving a 280 year old law.
    Don’t forget to submit your findings to various peer-reviewed physics journals to get your well-deserved accolades from physicists around the world.
    We bow to your obvious genius. It’s not every day that someone turns established science upside down.

  31. I have literally done exactly what you said with temperature/barometric pressure drops and on average every 10 degrees the balls would lose .6 psi per hour.
    —————————-
    At this rate, if it were 70 degrees inside, 30 degrees outside, the football that started at 12.5 psi would be inflated to 5.3 psi at end of game.

    Doesn’t seem likely, does it.

  32. I really don’t get this. Martin made a complaint. The NFL had to investigate and hired Wells to do it. Wells made his findings. The NFL did not punis him, the fins did. Roger Goodell had nothing to do with this other than his job.

  33. AEI was claimed by some sports writer to have been debunked, but that was based on one assessment from a researcher who found that it was possible to reproduce the results presented in the Wells report, but even that researcher pointed out that the data was garbage and not to be trusted.

  34. pierrodelon says:
    Aug 9, 2015 4:55 PM
    I have literally done exactly what you said with temperature/barometric pressure drops and on average every 10 degrees the balls would lose .6 psi per hour.
    —————————-
    At this rate, if it were 70 degrees inside, 30 degrees outside, the football that started at 12.5 psi would be inflated to 5.3 psi at end of game.

    Doesn’t seem likely, does it.

    ________________________

    Dude – you are proof that people who don’t understand science are all convinced of Brady’s guilt. Try again…it does not work that way…

  35. Pierre: that does seem unlikely…. I’d also love for you to find any game in which there was 40 degree temperature drops.

    I will admit that have only run these experiments as long as three hours with slow temperature drops…. In a game that length you would be assuming that the temperature dropped 40’degrees instantaneously and the balls were exposed to that for the entirety of the game.

    Let’s not forget that the balls are taken into warn locker rooms at half time. We can also remember that there are no such weather patterns that would drop the temperature 40 degrees that quickly… Unless we’re talking about the movie Day After Tomorrow.

  36. Two years ago 95% of fans other than Miami fans had Richie Incognito nailed as a compete racist maniac who was one generation removed from Stan himself. Now the Brady apologists are trying to say he was actually an alter boy done wrong by the Evil NFL who just won’t stop catching their team cheating.

    The best way for “Queen Brady” to save what is left of his much hyped reputation would start by playing within the rules of the game, no matter how petty or inconsequential they or he may find them.

  37. Even if Incognito is right…he needs to learn that he’s lucky to be playing and he’s MUCH better off keeping his mouth shut and focusing 100% on playing. It amazes me how many players don’t get how lucky they are to be playing. Cash your paycheck and play your game to the best of your ability, because it’ll all be over soon. Don’t tell me the Commish won’t file this in case Richie is back in the problem area….and he will get him back. Everyone needs to know you don’t burn bridges no matter how bad you think they are….at some point you may need that bridge.

  38. Well now we have two groups. Those who think like Richie Incognito and those who don’t. Be proud of your group membership.

  39. slim1337 says:
    Aug 9, 2015 8:31 PM

    The question I have is what does the NFL have to gain by going after Brady without a reason.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The answer to your question has be revealed most recently by Judge Berman when he opened the Transcripts to the Public.

  40. Maybe it’s because no one cares about what Ritchie Incognito has to say. He has less credibility than Colin Kaepernick.

    But it also might be because this has long since stopped because about balls, or law. And I am sick of hearing about it. It’s about an employer, or someone employed by the employer if you want to get technical, trying to uphold the integrity of the league. This isn’t about deflation. It’s about one man’s arrogance in thinking he has to answer to no one. If he had any actual balls (pun intended) he’d just own up to it. Sometimes we don’t need a chain of evidence to know something stupid happened. With the available evidence I would fire someone in this instance.

  41. It isn’t that TB cheated that is still in question. there are faults and shortcomings in both arguments. The issue I have is I do not trust the NFL governing body. If you research by the new criteria of more probably than not this is cheating then where is the admittance by the NFL they were wrong in the past? The Colts have cheated more than the Pats and there has been no investigation and no punishment. The Ravens have cheated more than the Pats and have only been punished once. The Jets have cheated more than you know who and have been punished only a bit more. On top of that there is talk from haters of a culture of cheating. If you research you find the Pats have one real cheat in the past. So instead these haters reach saying the Pats always cheat. I can make accusations anyone can make accusations. That does not make it true, So you haters I’ll be blunt either you back up your accusations of a culture of cheating or you shut your pie hole.

  42. The league has a great reason to go after Brady. The league almost always loses in court because of precedent or lack there of, ‘the law of the shop’. They are looking to rewrite the law of the shop against the biggest dog in the yard. If they make this stick they will have created a new precedent and all future litigation will be subject to it. At stake is a carte blanche for punishment on non negotiated issues. If they can put Brady’s head on a stick on something this flimsy then more probable than not becomes whatever they want it to be.

  43. These players are a real bunch of whiny people. Take your punishment and move on. Learn from your mistake. Don’t put yourself in a bad position where your behavior needs to be investigated for wrongdoing.

  44. Richie Incognito — the guy who used a golf club to sexually assault and publicly humiliate a woman (who was volunteering at a charity event), and then bought his way out of criminal charges, is now professing that he’s an innocent victim — a lifelong perfect angel who never did anything wrong.

    I was in favor of letting Incognito back into the league – everyone deserves a second chance. It looks like he’s trying find another way of getting kicked out of the league. He’s incapable of understanding the difference between right and wrong. He’s a coward and a crybaby. Buffalo Bills fans deserve better.

  45. j0esixpack says:
    Aug 9, 2015 3:11 PM

    I’m not going to defend Incognito but as with Brady the goal with both Wells Reports was never the truth.

    The findings were always pre-determined and intended by Goodell to make himself look good even if that meant slandering others

    We still have no proof Brady or anyone in the Pats organization broke a rule

    We now have a wealth of proof that Goidell blatantly lies, leaks false information and has created a culture of corruption out of 345 Park Ave.

    Any owner who supports Goodell or remains silent in the face of his lies is responsible for destroying the integrity of the NFL

    And I STILL want to know what Goodell was hiding when he refused to give Mueller his cellphone in the Ray Rice VideoGate scandal
    —-
    I agree with the majority of what you said, but it was actually the Dolphins situation that made me alter my conclusion. I think this Brady thing comes down to one error by the NFL that has snowballed into a nightmare. What made me think was Wells’ comment that he was told the investigation would he handled “just like in Miami.” Handing things like they did in Miami just didn’t fit the case in New England, and that was what the NFL did from the minute they got the original tip.

    In Miami, a guy walked away from his team because of the way his teammates treated him. Nobody does that without someone actually doing something to him, so the investigation was to find out who did what, and justify any punishment. The problem is that with Vincent admitting that he never thought about the possibility of weather softening up a ball, the assumption was that the Pats were guilty, so Wells went in with the same approach.

    Then let’s add in the “officials” that tested the balls at halftime. They used two different meters that gave different results, never kept any data from the pre-game testing, and only tested 4 of the opposing team’s balls. Not to mention that they didn’t keep records of any of it. This also illustrates that the procedures for this inflation testing at every game are totally unprofessional, and could be called non-existant.

    The league, through Vincent, assumed the Pats situation was the same as Miami, and all they had to do was figure out who did what, and punish them. But ignorance–of the science and therefore the possibility of innocence is what started this thing going in the wrong direction. And here we are now…in court, where the NFL is looking weaker by the day.

  46. kingkreg12 says:
    Aug 9, 2015 5:47 PM

    Pierre: that does seem unlikely…. I’d also love for you to find any game in which there was 40 degree temperature drops.

    I will admit that have only run these experiments as long as three hours with slow temperature drops…. In a game that length you would be assuming that the temperature dropped 40’degrees instantaneously and the balls were exposed to that for the entirety of the game.

    Let’s not forget that the balls are taken into warn locker rooms at half time. We can also remember that there are no such weather patterns that would drop the temperature 40 degrees that quickly… Unless we’re talking about the movie Day After Tomorrow.
    —–
    While I admire the serious thought and experimentation, you just aren’t getting it. The Ideal gas law is a fact, not an opinion. I am far too lazy to go get it and quote it here, and it really isn’t my main issue.

    The temperature drops you refer to are between the indoor areas where the balls are tested, and the return to those areas after a few hours out in the cold. Assuming that the indoor areas are “normal” room temperature (72 degrees), then the possibility of 30 degree drops in temperature exist for a large portion of NFL games. And, yeah, the drop happens as soon as you take the balls outside…it is like putting them in a freezer. The more time outside, or in the freezer, the more pressure is lost. If you take the balls back inside, it takes an equal amount of time for them to return to the original pressure.

    How many times have you seen a December game at Lambeau where the temps were in single digits? Remember the Colts always having to go to Foxboro late in the year or in the playoffs? Dome team in the snow ringing a bell? Those games can present a 60 degree difference in temperature. Since Indy doesn’t have that kind of weather influence, it is not surprising that they notice the difference in the balls when playing in cold weather.

    You might not like the truth, but the AFCCG is a prime example of a large temperature difference. And this whole issue stems from failing to realize there might be another explanation for squishy balls in a Patriots game.

  47. Will his second stop in Buffalo be the first time Incognito has not been kicked off his team since high school?

  48. So let’s get this straight: Are we to assume that Incognito’s reputation as a lowdown scumbag automatically makes Ted Wells a man of great integrity?

    I have no doubt that Incognito is a jerk who has done a lot of morally reprehensible things in his time, both on and off the field. This was common knowledge long before Jonathan Martin entered the league.

    But it’s also possible that Ted Wells’ investigation into the whole Incognito/Martin story was a pre-determined hatchet job, and that Wells disregarded any information that failed to support his desired outcome.

    It may be that Ted Wells’ has no more integrity than Incognito; he just does a better job of hiding it behind the NFL shield.

  49. I hate Goodell but listening to the players bitch about him laughable. The players and player representatives agreed to the terms in the CBA that gave Goodell his powers.

  50. Incognito is no angel, that’s for sure, but I’ve always believed that he was just the scapegoat in that whole thing. Well, the O-line coach got fired, too. But there is ZERO chance that the rest of the coaching staff weren’t aware that they were trying to “toughen up” Martin.

    Just like with deflategate, with the Miami situation no one came out looking all that great – there was fault on both sides.

    The main point of all of this, though, is that Wells isn’t independent by any means (obviously) and it’s not a “fair” or objective system when Goodell hears the appeals of his own disciplinary actions.

  51. There are 32 teams in the NFL and the fans of each team need to ask themselves one question. What are we going to do when Roger and his minions set their sites on us?

    Everyone pointed fingers at the Saints…

    Everyone laughed at the Dolphins…

    Everyone rises in indignation at the Patriots…

    Someday your team will face a social media driven pile of outrage and Roger will hire an un-independent attorney to ferret out his predetermined version of the truth.

    Then you’ll remember…

  52. Garbear, each of those teams earned that finger pointed at them. The Saints did have a Bounty on certain players. And the Dolphins did what any company would have to do if an employee makes a harassment compliant. Deflategate is real and the balls were tampered with.

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