NFL, NFLPA briefs argue conflicting degrees of Brady misconduct

AP

At a time when the NFL and NFL Players Association can’t agree on much when it comes to the Tom Brady suspension and ensuing litigation, it shouldn’t surprise anyone that they also disagree on the specific degree of involvement the league concluded that Brady had in the alleged scheme to deflate footballs.

The NFLPA’s 15-page brief aimed at overturning the suspension explains that Brady’s suspension arises from the quarterback being “generally aware” of the actions of two members of New England’s equipment staff. The union argues that “no NFL policy or precedent provided notice that a player could be subject to discipline for general awareness of another person’s alleged misconduct.”

The NFL’s 15-page submission explains the behavior much differently, claiming that Brady “‘knew about, approved of, consented to, and provided inducements’ in support of a scheme to tamper with the game balls used in the AFC Championship Game.”

The dispute as to Brady’s conduct isn’t surprising, because the NFL has used both characterizations over the past three months. The Ted Wells Report finds that Brady was “at least generally aware” of the alleged deflation activities. The letter from executive V.P. of football operations Troy Vincent to Brady communicating the four-game suspension uses the same language of the report in justifying the punishment.

But the language changed in the ruling on appeal, made much stronger and more forceful by Commissioner Roger Goodell than the terms used by Wells and adopted by Vincent: “In short, available electronic evidence, coupled with information compiled in the investigators’ interviews, leads me to conclude that Mr. Brady knew about, approved of, consented to, and provided inducements and rewards in support of a scheme by which, with Mr. Jastremski’s support, Mr. McNally tampered with the game balls.”

As noted back in May, the Commissioner’s openly-stated quest for “new information” during the Brady appeal made for a confusing appeal process, because most appeals proceed based only on the record of evidence and information that led to the decision that is being appealed.

“I look forward to hearing directly from Tom. If there is new information or there’s information in helping us get this right, I want to hear directly from Tom on that,” Goodell had said in May, creating the impression that, to the extent the extensive record of evidence developed by Wells and relied upon by Vincent would be expanded, it would be expanded only for the potential benefit of Brady.

Instead, the “new information” came only from the notion that Brady’s refusal to surrender his cell phone at some point became an inability to easily obtain (but not an impossibility to reconstruct) the text messages on the phone he was using the relevant time period. The ensuing mischaracterization that Brady had expunged completely the opportunity to determine whether he said anything incriminating via text coupled with the mischaracterization of his testimony regarding conversations with John Jastremski somehow became an elevation of “generally aware” to “knew about, approved of, consented to, and provided inducements and rewards in support of a scheme” to deflate footballs.

That’s not how most appeals work. Most appeals affirm the decision made below, reverse it, or vacate it and send it back for further proceedings. (If the “destroyed” cellphone was as big of a deal as the NFL made it out to be in the appeal ruling, that’s precisely what should have happened, with a directive to possibly enhance the discipline imposed on Brady.) In this case, the outcome remained the same but the language became stronger for one apparent reason: To make the suspension better suited to survive in court.

Although the NFLPA has yet to attack this specific point because the NFLPA continues to rely on the “generally aware” language from the Wells report and the Vincent letter, it’s safe to say that, in three days before Judge Richard M. Berman, there will be plenty of discussion about how and why the description of Brady’s misconduct changed so dramatically.

77 responses to “NFL, NFLPA briefs argue conflicting degrees of Brady misconduct

  1. So everyone agrees the Patriots cheated.

    They’re just arguing over how culpable Tammy was since she knew they were cheating, but claims she didn’t cause it.

    Got it.

    Now can all Pats fans apologize to the rest of us please as we were right.

    The Pats got caught cheating AGAIN.

  2. From “generally aware” to “knew about, approved of, consented to, provided inducements.” The NFL Framegate ladies and gentlemen.

  3. The NFL lost the opportunity to dismiss the Wells report as the biased garbage that it is, so now the NFLPA will even concede the Wells report and STILL win. Wow, the NFL botched this from beginning to end. Free Brady

  4. Keep looking for that technicality that allows you to escape punishment … but even if you find one we all know you’re guilty.

  5. There really is no proof that Brady told his ball boys to deflate footballs. You can’t say there’s no evidence because he destroyed his phone, because all 1,000 of his texts and emails have been released to the public. Not one has anything to do with deflategate. You also can’t convict him by saying that he told them to do it. That’s speculation. You can’t accuse someone of a crime and expect them to go to jail because of no proof. Plus no one told brady that he would be punished for not turning his phone over, which wasn’t allowed without the NFLPA’s consent. Therefore Brady shouldn’t be suspended. The more and more I look at it, the more it looks like Goodell was trying to save his reputation by ruining Brady’s.

  6. I want to know why Brady from the onset did not scream his innocence. The text’s between Brady and McNally and Jastremski appear damaging. The fact Kraft accepted the Teams punishment initially makes me wonder what he knew. The fact that Brady and the Patriots clammed up, got stories straight, destroyed his phone all have reasonable believe he knew.

  7. The NFL has nothing on Brady other than drawing their own conclusions to the actual facts, yet they went through a witch hunt to destroy him. On the other hand, Aaron Rodgers has admitted that he tries to break the same psi rule, but NFL “doesn’t want to overreact”. Pretty shameless.

  8. That’s a long stretch.Even if you do,stretch it,the rule is $25,000,period.And if you are suggesting that balls cause wins and losses,well,that’s rich!

  9. realitycheckbaby says:
    Aug 9, 2015 10:01 AM

    So everyone agrees the Patriots cheated.

    They’re just arguing over how culpable Tammy was since she knew they were cheating, but claims she didn’t cause it.

    Got it.

    Now can all Pats fans apologize to the rest of us please as we were right.

    The Pats got caught cheating AGAIN
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    As usual, you have it wrong.

    Tom Brady never got the chance to defend himself against the false charges of generally being aware of deflation, so now he, and the NFLPA, are stuck with dealing with Emperor Goodell’s overreaching punishment.

    People with sense know that Tom Brady or the Patriots aren’t guilty of anything.

    Now you know why the NFL and the Hater Faithful agree that they did.

  10. Kinda crazy to think that new exculpatory evidence uncovered upon appeal, would be or could be factored. If that were the case, a confession during an appeal, would be deemed irrelevant and impermissible.

    Must be shocking to the giant killing Kessler, who seems a bit off balance. Counting the new evidence, Brady probably is fortunate, he is who he is or the discipline might have been doubled.

    The more that is learned, the worse the cheating and coverup appear to get.

  11. Brady has not admitted to anything. If you were accused of a bogus charge you would want your team attacking every aspect of the case. The facts about what actually did or did not happen and the penalty for what they say you did. It’s just being smart.

  12. Ron Wolfe to Goodell. “Nice job on that Brady thing” Yeah, no way the NFL and many owners weren’t peeing their pants happy when they thought they had got away with framing Brady and the Pats. Pathetic on so many levels.

  13. The NFL changed from generally aware to a “scheme”.
    The “new” evidence is nonexistent.
    The trail of lies leads back to Goodell thanks to a release of the appeal hearing transcript that the NFL tried to keep sealed.
    Oops!
    I can’t imagine the judge will look kindly upon that.

    Also the NFL decided to stop the charade that the investigation was independent, now saying the CBA doesn’t require it.
    But it does exclude evident partiality, which while normally difficult to prove, would seem overwhelming in this case.
    Also, where in the CBA does it say that a player is responsible for the actions of other employees?
    The footballs didn’t have abnormal deflation for the elements, but just assume for a moment that they were tampered with.
    Since the NFLPA isn’t allowed to argue Brady’s case, only the process; there is no precedent.
    The CBA would describe as a team penalty, not a player.
    The team was already heavily punished.

  14. The ONLY thing that should be considered by Judge Berman is whether or not the CBA authorizes Roger Goodell to make the decision(s) that he made. Nothing else. Other Federal rulings have already set the standard that even when a commissioner/arbitrator makes a poor decision, it’s not the Court’s role to over rule it.

  15. Lots of “Cheater” crying going down this morning. Its a basic principle of sports psychology that those who cry “Cheat” do so as a means to make excuses and not own their own set backs. Good coaches won’t allow it as it prevents a competitor from ever getting on the path to victory. Fans have no such accountability. A simple platitude that works for everyone though and sums the matter up nicely: “When you point your finger at someone else you have three more pointing back at you.”

    On a side note: Of course Brady will be liberated on a technicality that bears no relation to guilt or innocence. He was investigated by a party with no interest in guilt or innocence and punished by a system that defies its own rules and standards and makes “The Law” up as it moronically ambles along. I will take a technicality at this point to put the matter to bed.

  16. There is no new evidence. The NFL knew everything before the appeal. Brady and his advisors are the only ones who display any integrity in this process. The rest of them Gould be ashamed of themselves.

  17. It seems like every time the NFL and Goodell release information about this they ratchet up the charges against Brady. In the Wells Report Brady it was only more likely than not that Brady was generally aware, after the appeal they claim that he lied and now they claim that he took an active role in it all.

    Brady had better hope that this settles because if this drags on much longer Goodell very well might start claiming that Brady played a role in the kidnapping of the Lindbergh baby or that he was in the general area of the Grassy Knoll back in ’63.

  18. If I’m the judge I’m only going to be concerned with the colts footballs that were also below specification.

    Then if I get no answers to why I throw it all out.

  19. Eagle fans only get to hate Brady once every four years, and in one Super Bowl. This whole ploy by the NFL to “catch” Brady doing something wrong is quite amusing.
    It seems to us that “certain” AFC teams have been crying for years about the Pats.
    All of this garbage has been construed by people that may be quite insane.

  20. Anyone who is not a fan of a team that Brady has taken to the wood shed over and over the last 15 years (Jets, Bills, Colts, Dolfins, Seahawks etc.etc.) can see this travesty for what it is. Goodell, drunk with power, ego maniacal and desperate to save his job.

  21. Really really sad that people think they know better than experts and dont do their research before they speak on this matter
    The league issued a memo to all teams saying that more probable than not means guilty and that they cant prove anything as it would be too hard but would investigate and if so labeled would be punished accordingly
    And very sad that Patriots fans cant be honest with themselves or others and condemn this this and radically accept it for what it is
    And lastly really sad that people go after goodell
    A man that is trying to exercise discipline and improve a league we all enjoy
    And that they think they could do a better job
    To me its like watching small children
    Complain that the other one got more or less punishment
    And they should decide what punishment they should get

  22. Just because the NFL says he’s guilty, isn’t proof!
    Proven fact Goodell is a liar and his minions will
    Swear to it.

  23. Really really sad that people think they know better than experts and dont do their research before they speak on this matter
    The league issued a memo to all teams saying that more probable than not means guilty and that they cant prove anything as it would be too hard but would investigate and if so labeled would be punished accordingly
    And very sad that Patriots fans cant be honest with themselves or others and condemn this this and radically accept it for what it is
    And lastly really sad that people go after goodell
    A man that is trying to exercise discipline and improve a league we all enjoy
    And that they think they could do a better job
    To me its like watching small children
    Complain that the other one got more or less punishment
    And they should decide what punishment they should get
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    Most of us know what that means, do you know that we dont agree with it, doesnt matter what the CBA says, if its BS then you take it to court and this is the biggest BS Ive seen in awhile and I did 20 years in the Military.

  24. If we are guilty we are no guiltier than the Colts deflategate not punished. We are no guiltier than the Chargers ball tampering and being evasive fined 20K no investigation no special investigator no asking Rivers for his phone. We are no guiltier than the Ravens to challlengegates never punished

    But when it comes to the accusations one must think of the sources. The league yea their credibility is great nope it’s trash look at their track record
    The Colts by the league’s criteria of more probably than not have cheated alot more than the Pats and have to to be punished or even investigated
    The Ravens (yea they whined) same as Colts except they have been punished once

  25. rocketcharger says:
    Aug 9, 2015 11:06 AM

    Really really sad that people think they know better than experts and dont do their research before they speak on this matter
    The league issued a memo to all teams saying that more probable than not means guilty and that they cant prove anything as it would be too hard but would investigate and if so labeled would be punished accordingly
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    Once the NFL admitted that they didn’t know that weather condition affected the measured PSI level in a football, it was game over for *Framegate.

    The Hater Faithful can wring their hands, and wail about *Spygate, the Deflator, the bathroom, or any of the other delusions they have about *Framegate or the Patriots, but it doesn’t matter, because there is no evidence of cheating by them or Tom Brady.

  26. Brady didn’t scream his innocence because idiots wouldn’t believe him anyway. He kept his mouth shut for the good of the NFL keeping a low profile and waiting for the fair impartial investigation.

    Goodell turned this into the circus it became.

    Until sponsors of NFL Network start to complaining and Goodell gets fired this will continue.

    A sixth round choice will be the first to win a defamation lawsuit against the idiotic NFL Commissioner and his cronies.

  27. Goodell has balls to double down on his propaganda in court. The judge should ask why he increased the strength of his accusation, and provide proof.

    Nevertheless, I have a feeling those balls are about to be snipped off.

    If you start hearing some high pitched squeals after one of the meetings, you’ll know why.

  28. imodan says:
    Aug 9, 2015 10:43 AM
    Ron Wolfe to Goodell. “Nice job on that Brady thing” Yeah, no way the NFL and many owners weren’t peeing their pants happy when they thought they had got away with framing Brady and the Pats. Pathetic on so many levels.
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    Actually the Packers knew that NE was a cheating franchise after catching them illegally taping games, and they went ahead and beat them anyways.

    Wolf is a Packers guy so obviously hes happy that the cheaters got caught and had to pay.

  29. realitycheckbaby says:
    Aug 9, 2015 10:01 AM
    So everyone agrees the Patriots cheated.
    ___________________

    Not hardly, and I am a Giants guy.

    rocketcharger says:
    Aug 9, 2015 11:06 AM
    Really really sad that people think they know better than experts and don’t do their research before they speak on this matter
    ___________________

    Apparently this includes you. Have you read the appeal transcript? No open minded person could read that and still agree with the league and it’s experts that Brady ‘more probably than not’ was involved in anything. Additionally, every CBA is subject to the law of the shop and it has become painfully obvious that what the league is really after is a new precedent in that regard.

  30. Here’s what it comes down to – Patriots haters and those with common sense

    Bother haters and those with common sense agree with the indisputable facts that theres is NO PROOF against Brady but no shortage of PROOF that Roger Goodell* has personally lied to NFL fans and the general public.

    Fans with Common Sense are horrified that the Commissioner thinks this is a laughing matter. Fans who hate the Patriots would rather support a corrupt Commissioner than have their teams take their chances against Brady on the field.

    Does that about cover things?

    Oh – and Roger? We’re still waiting for you to turn over your personal phone in the Ray Rice VideoGate Investigation. By your standards your own actions amount to an admission of guilt.

  31. if Judge Berman is being fair, he will see what is right and just. He will see what that the NFL’s poor investigation and the process and the changing of the wording of the charges to knowing about it and that the Wells report was no longer independent.

    Yes the NFL and NFLPA agreed to have him hear the the appeal, but he has to be fair and to conduct fair investigations and not engage in unfair tactics including lying and not acknowledging mistakes. He must also abide by precedent and the law of the shop. If Judge Berman allows the NFL to prevail, the NFL will be a totalitarian dictatorship where they can do anything they want to players and teams.

    Brady and the NFLPA must fight this and Judge Berman must see what is at stake.

  32. There is only one side in this fight that has lied, misrepresented information and continuously changed their arguments over time as more information has been released and it is not Tom Brady.

    The NFL has tried bully Brady into admitting to something that he has claimed under oath that he did not do. After that strategy failed, they are pulling out every trick they can think of to win this case and preserve the power of the Commissioner. Anyone who thinks this is about preserving the integrity of anything is delusional.

    Brady would had numerous opportunities to work out some agreement with less penalties and admit wrong doing. The vast majority of people who are actually guilty would have taken that course. Brady has continuously behaved like a man who was unjustly accused.

    I sincerely doubt that even Roger thinks Brady is guilty, but he just doesn’t care at this point. He just wants to win.

  33. Here is what most Brady/Patriots org apologist have in common – can’t handle the truth, even if it smacked them right in the face.

  34. ” In this case, the outcome remained the same but the language became stronger for one apparent reason: To make the suspension better suited to survive in court.”

    “there will be plenty of discussion about how and why the description of Brady’s misconduct changed so dramatically.”

    ___________________________

    This is what happens when you are Roger Goodell and you don’t have a case. You lie, make stuff up, change the language…deception and subterfuge…basically the kind of stuff you see in 3rd world country kangaroo courts. Welcome to the NFL during the Roger Goodell administration: aka, The NFL’s “Banana Republic Years”. Rozelle is spinning in his grave.

  35. pborjestedt says:
    Aug 9, 2015 10:27 AM
    The NFL has nothing on Brady other than drawing their own conclusions to the actual facts, yet they went through a witch hunt to destroy him. On the other hand, Aaron Rodgers has admitted that he tries to break the same psi rule, but NFL “doesn’t want to overreact”. Pretty shameless.
    _____________
    There is a big difference between seeing what the referees catch and actively having an employee alter game balls AFTER they have been inspected by the referees by ducking into a bathroom and paying him with autographs and shoes. Classy move New England.

  36. leatherface2012isloosebutthole says:
    Aug 9, 2015 12:33 PM

    pborjestedt says:
    Aug 9, 2015 10:27 AM
    The NFL has nothing on Brady other than drawing their own conclusions to the actual facts, yet they went through a witch hunt to destroy him. On the other hand, Aaron Rodgers has admitted that he tries to break the same psi rule, but NFL “doesn’t want to overreact”. Pretty shameless.
    _____________
    There is a big difference between seeing what the referees catch and actively having an employee alter game balls AFTER they have been inspected by the referees by ducking into a bathroom and paying him with autographs and shoes. Classy move New England.
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    No, there isn’t any difference at all.

    Only the NFL and the Hater Faithful see it that way.

  37. It’s interesting what a big discrepancy in the opinion of Brady and the NFL now after all this info has been released. It’s comical that there are still those that believe in the NFL and their decision. The clowns here posting against Brady are getting a huge majority thumbs down yet they continue to post their ignorance. Probably all Peyton fans, Brady haters. To those clowns the facts mean nothing. Roger Goodell should be fired over this. It’s disgusting.

  38. The Wells report doesnt even say Brady was “generally aware”…. It implies Brady may have been “generally aware” that something “may have happened.”

  39. leatherface2012isloosebutthole says:
    Aug 9, 2015 12:33 PM

    There is a big difference between seeing what the referees catch and actively having an employee alter game balls AFTER they have been inspected by the referees by ducking into a bathroom and paying him with autographs and shoes. Classy move New England.
    ________________________________________

    Are you claiming Aaron Rodgers has never given memorabilia to clubhouse workers?

    If the Patriot’s balls were deflated in the bathroom by Jastremski, where and where were the Colts’ balls deflated…and by whom?

    There was also a report that an NFL Official was caught stealing balls in this game to sell. If true, the NFL can’t even be trusted to watch over the game balls.

  40. All of this acrimony from both sides..Brady/NE apologists (Florio being one) and all the NE/Brady haters… is killing the NFL brand.. I have seen less interest in the NFL this year than ever! Go MLB!!

  41. themikegun says:
    Aug 9, 2015 1:00 PM

    Are you claiming Aaron Rodgers has never given memorabilia to clubhouse workers?

    If the Patriot’s balls were deflated in the bathroom by Jastremski, where and where were the Colts’ balls deflated…and by whom?

    There was also a report that an NFL Official was caught stealing balls in this game to sell. If true, the NFL can’t even be trusted to watch over the game balls.
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    Yep. They tried, unsuccessfully, to pin that on the Patriots as well.

  42. Goodell is turning the NFL into a reality TV show. Theres none of this other childish behavior by a Commissioner in any other professional sports org with the exception of FIFA.

    Congrats to Goodell for being as corrupt as FIFA.

  43. Those that accuse the Pats equip guy of ball tampering when he entered the mens room so what they had their toilet cam in there they know he was not taking a wiz. He was in there for about 100 seconds he deflated 12 out of 13 balls in that time?

  44. I wonder how much the NFL is charging fans for the privilege of watching a Steelers v Vikings matchup without Roethlisberger, Bell and Brown.

    Count me in as not watching 1 second of this waste of time exhibition. Baseball is on. You know a league that only punishes its players for those who use PEDs and let law enforcement handle everything else.

    You think Goodell would get a clue this is how it is supposed to work.

  45. This charade by NE needs to end now. This ball scheme is like 10 years old now. BB orchestrated it after he wrote the forward to the book by author Patrick Gay “The Physics of Football” in 2004/2005

    Gay wrote how gas laws and deflation work with the inner psi of the ball and how it makes it easier to grip, throw, pass and secure.

    The new ball rules lobbied by Peyton and Tom led to the control change to prepare balls and the avenue to have some gray area to tamper either after delivery to officials or even on field.

    The entire inner brain trust is generally aware and make no bones about it. Brady is the fall guy being used as he always is by Kraft, BB and now the union. The spygate undertones on future competitive violations totally makes this one much more complex than a small violation.

    Goodell has to fend off these motions or guess what……WWE time.
    He is paid to be the bad guy and that is why he has to uphold the by laws. article 61 and article 46.

    The pats are beyond guilty and the coach is being let slide for some reason. The Saturday science project on TV was all a sham.

  46. STILLlolatpatscheaters says:
    Aug 9, 2015 1:47 PM

    This charade by NE needs to end now. This ball scheme is like 10 years old now. BB orchestrated it after he wrote the forward to the book by author Patrick Gay “The Physics of Football” in 2004/2005

    Gay wrote how gas laws and deflation work with the inner psi of the ball and how it makes it easier to grip, throw, pass and secure.

    The new ball rules lobbied by Peyton and Tom led to the control change to prepare balls and the avenue to have some gray area to tamper either after delivery to officials or even on field.

    The entire inner brain trust is generally aware and make no bones about it. Brady is the fall guy being used as he always is by Kraft, BB and now the union. The spygate undertones on future competitive violations totally makes this one much more complex than a small violation.

    Goodell has to fend off these motions or guess what……WWE time.
    He is paid to be the bad guy and that is why he has to uphold the by laws. article 61 and article 46.

    The pats are beyond guilty and the coach is being let slide for some reason. The Saturday science project on TV was all a sham.
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    Here’s the thing ……. IF Belichick and Brady knew about the “Ideal Gas Law” – not very likely – and knew that a lesser inflated football was easier to win with, and IF they decided to go with the lowest possible limit of 12.5 on cold days when Mother Nature would bring the PSI down for them, they STILL broke no rule.

    If I submit balls at the 12.5 minimum, and the weather deflates them to 11.5, I have done NOTHING wrong.

  47. You didn’t read the experiments on both sides buddy

    The Pats rebuttal didnt take the transient time into the experiment and compared Apples to Oranges. The NGL accounted for some air loss but not all

    That plus the texts and deflator video and testimony = more probable than not

  48. I’d tend to believe the exponent exhaustive work rather than an underling Kraft association who didn’t do the experiments right

  49. STILLlolatpatscheaters says:
    Aug 9, 2015 1:47 PM

    This charade by NE needs to end now. This ball scheme is like 10 years old now. BB orchestrated it after he wrote the forward to the book by author Patrick Gay “The Physics of Football” in 2004/2005

    Gay wrote how gas laws and deflation work with the inner psi of the ball and how it makes it easier to grip, throw, pass and secure.

    The new ball rules lobbied by Peyton and Tom led to the control change to prepare balls and the avenue to have some gray area to tamper either after delivery to officials or even on field.

    The entire inner brain trust is generally aware and make no bones about it. Brady is the fall guy being used as he always is by Kraft, BB and now the union. The spygate undertones on future competitive violations totally makes this one much more complex than a small violation.

    Goodell has to fend off these motions or guess what……WWE time.
    He is paid to be the bad guy and that is why he has to uphold the by laws. article 61 and article 46.

    The pats are beyond guilty and the coach is being let slide for some reason. The Saturday science project on TV was all a sham.
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    Straws. Grasped.

  50. The NFL has some third world justice system. Turning a minor infraction into high treason.

    NFL dealing some deep BS.
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    So now you are admitting there was an INFRACTION huh?

    Best Regards

  51. The language from Ted Wells to that of the league’s verbiage would be different.

    On Wells’ language, you have findings.

    With The NFL’s verbiage, you have their translation of the findings. You have The NFL telling us what “Generally aware” is implecating.

  52. The NFL has some third world justice system. Turning a minor infraction into high treason.

    NFL dealing some deep BS.
    —————————–
    So now you are admitting there was an INFRACTION huh?

    Best Regards
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    Good one, but the investigation was for alleged equipment infraction.
    Guess I should have used the word alleged.

    You patriots haters realize how pathetic you really are? Jealousy is so ugly. If it makes you feel better go to yourteamcheats.com. Jets, Steelers, Colts, Ravens, and Broncos have been caught way more than the Pats. Do your homework.

  53. Good one, but the investigation was for alleged equipment infraction.
    Guess I should have used the word alleged.

    You patriots haters realize how pathetic you really are? Jealousy is so ugly. If it makes you feel better go to yourteamcheats.com. Jets, Steelers, Colts, Ravens, and Broncos have been caught way more than the Pats. Do your homework.
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    So we can agree there was misconduct, you just think the penalty is too extreme…

    Well, we are making progress…

    Best Regards

  54. The texts and conflicting testimony will sink Brady. Brady’s appeal defense team was for PR. Kessler had nothing to work with. Those texts stand as they are. There is no explanation for them on the record.

  55. One MAJOR problem for Goodell –

    Where is the EVIDENCE you speak of ???

    It is not in the Well$ Report – so where is it?

  56. Time to rename his place patspropaganda.com

    Oh wait that domain name already exists and is active as a feeder to this joint

  57. STILLlolatpatscheaters says:
    Aug 9, 2015 2:49 PM

    I’d tend to believe the exponent exhaustive work rather than an underling Kraft association who didn’t do the experiments right
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    Of course a member of the Hater Faithful is going to side with Exponent, who actually didn’t do the experiments correctly.

    Do you guys have any facts to support your positions, or do you just parrot the NFL BS?

  58. I’m just glad that people outside of New England have started to see what a sham this is.

    Really I only see the occasional troll at this point desperately clinging to their ‘cheater’ narrative the way spoiled child clings to a toy until everyone stops paying attention to them.

    It’s Brady clear at this point, Brady did nothing. Patriots did nothing, NFL is corrupt.

  59. The problem here is that the NFL has not itself been consistent about anything. The Wells report claims that the Patriots were the models of cooperation and that nobody involved in the franchise was involved in any scheme to deflate footballs (with the possible exception of Jastremski and McNally, not counting Brady for this argument). And then the NFL imposed a record penalty against the franchise, based on its history, ignoring the fact that the franchise had just been exonerated of wrongdoing. None of the people actually accused of anything had any relationship to the Spygate mess. But, somehow, that’s used as a precedent both in terms of the Brady punishment and as a justification for penalizing the Pats heavily.

    What should we take to be the NFL’s reason for punishing Brady? I think it’ s fair to use the statement published by Troy Vincent. That’s where the “probably generally aware” language comes from. Now the NFL is contending that they really meant something else? This is sadly typical for them. This group of people seems to be adherents to the Church of Shifting Rationales. Shameful stuff.

  60. STILLlolatpatscheaters says:
    Aug 9, 2015 2:49 PM

    I’d tend to believe the exponent exhaustive work rather than an underling Kraft association who didn’t do the experiments right


    The AEI is not an “underling Kraft association”. It gets funding from the Kraft Foundation, which is a non-profit in Scottsdale, Arizona that has no relationship whatsoever to Bob Kraft. As was explained about a month ago on this very site.

  61. What irks me most about the League’s position regarding the destruction of Brady’s phone is that Well’s interviewed the two locker room attendants and viewed there phones looking for Brady Texts; there was NONE. Wouldn’t necessarily follow that had they had Brady’s phone they only would have realized the same thing?Making Brady’s phone somewhat irrelevant but again exculpatory of Brady’s involvement.

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