Goodell: League cooperating with judge’s request to discuss Brady settlement

AP

With the NFL and Tom Brady due in his courtroom Wednesday, Judge Richard Berman issued an order requesting that both sides engage in settlement discussions on Tuesday.

When a judge issues an order requesting something, it comes off a bit more strongly than most requests you encounter in day-to-day life. So it’s not surprising that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said Tuesday, via Tom Pelissero of USA Today, that the league is cooperating with Berman’s request.

Goodell said that there have been discussions with Brady’s camp and that the league will let the “process go from there.” Where it will go appears to be Wednesday’s settlement conference with Berman as Daniel Kaplan of Sports Business Journal reports, via a league source, that there is “no chance” of a settlement before the hearing.

As Mike Florio laid out on Monday, however, that hearing could lead to a settlement as Berman will have a better idea of where the two sides stand and could use that to ask questions that will give them an idea of which way he’d ultimately rule. For one side, that would likely make a settlement look more appealing if it offers them the chance to leave with something rather than nothing.

97 responses to “Goodell: League cooperating with judge’s request to discuss Brady settlement

  1. Isn’t this basically a Judge warning the NFL “You’d better get this squared away outside of court because you’ll get annihilated in here.”?

  2. Brady deserves zero leniency. He should have been suspended for the Super Bowl, and needs to be suspended an additional 4 games for refusing to cooperate with a league investigation and tampering with evidence.

  3. Can we believe Roger? Didn’t they leak last week THEY wanted to release the transcripts to make themselves look good and the NFLPA look fearful?

    When will the owners acknowledge that all of Goodell’s leaks and lies mean that the Commissioner does not have “unquestioned integrity”

    Under Article VIII of their own bylaws the owners are required to fire Goodell

  4. When is Goodell going to answer the tough questions on all the items that his office botched? Or will he just continue to lie and/or avoid these?

    He expects transparency, cooperation, and integrity from the teams and players – is it too much to ask him for the same?

  5. Goodell came up with a completely incompetent answer regarding a reporters question about correcting the blatantly false leaks the NFL gave to their patsy Chris Mortenson. He referenced Wells being an “independent” investigator and blathered on about him ignoring the fact that Wells was hired DAYS after the false report was fed to Mort.

  6. I say it will be a standoff between the two, because there is no in between with the NFL or Brady. Flip a coin.

  7. Roger Goodell, just said in response to a question about them not correcting Mort’s initial report.

    “At that time we had given the report to Mr. Wells who was totally independent.”

    The NFL just said Friday that they were not independent.

    Independent: I don’t think this word means what Roger think it means.
    Same with transparency and TRUTHFULLNESS.

    Liar

  8. muslimponder says:
    Aug 11, 2015 5:19 PM
    Brady deserves zero leniency. He should have been suspended for the Super Bowl, and needs to be suspended an additional 4 games for refusing to cooperate with a league investigation and tampering with evidence.
    ———————————-
    You have such hate going on. I pity you.

  9. NFL won’t win and here’s why. They recently said that it didn’t matter if the investigation is independent because it doesn’t require so in the CBA. It also doesn’t say that a player can’t be suspended for breathing. The word fair implies independent. For example would it be fair to ask the pope which religion is the best and then take his word for it, would that be fair? No because there is a bias there. Today Goodell again called Wells “independent” (inconsistency) regarding the failure to correct the ESPN report. He said Wells should have corrected it. If Wells was independent, why would he correct a report on the NFL’s behalf, if he was supposed to, that means he was not independent. The one thing you can say about Tom throughout this ordeal whether you like him or not is that he stands by everything he has said so far and not gone back on anything, the NFL has with their inconsistency on the whether Wells was independent. There will be no settlement because Tom will only take a fine and he is pretty sure he will win, and the NFL can’t stoop that low and look bad to the other owners and think they might as well take the small chance in court.

  10. Wasn’t it Roger that responded to a question while at Canton for the HoF by stating that The League was looking forward to having Brady’s punishment ‘enforced as issued’? Sure doesn’t sound like a group that’s budging.

  11. muslimponder says:
    Aug 11, 2015 5:19 PM
    Brady deserves zero leniency. He should have been suspended for the Super Bowl, and needs to be suspended an additional 4 games for refusing to cooperate with a league investigation and tampering with evidence.

    Actually at the time he was being investigated, he was told they didn’t want his phone. Then he got a new one. What he does with his phone at that point, just as for you and me, is his business.

    BTW, what’s it called when the league starts measuring the PSI in the Colts footballs….and after not getting the result they were hoping after testing the first 4, they just simply stop testing ?

    Ignoring evidence ?

    You people gotta start bringing more to the table.

  12. God you Deflatriots fans are totally delusional. Brady and his minions were caught red handed. That’s why he’s trying to win with a liberal judge on a technicality.

  13. mattwalshvideo says:
    Aug 11, 2015 5:26 PM
    Guilty, 4 games for serial cheater Tom Shady.
    ——
    Cool screen name bro.

    #obsessedmuch
    #championsagain
    #getyourownteam

  14. There’s absolutely NO EVIDENCE against Brady except:

    (1) The official ball boy (man? child?) calling himself “The Deflator.”
    (2) The official ball boy asking for and receiving bribes in exchange for deflating footballs, and threatening to “go to ESPN” if he doesn’t get them.
    (3) The official ball boy talking about Brady, deflation, and needles all in the same conversation.
    (4) Video of the ball boy sneaking off with the balls into a bathroom and claiming he used a non-existent urinal in a move that the referee said he had never seen before.
    (5) Texts suggesting that Brady was angry at the ball boy for not deflating balls in the past.
    (6) Brady making several calls to the ball boy to get their story straight after being caught.
    (7) Brady destroying his phone on the same day of his interview, then telling two lies: (a) that it was his “regular practice” to destroy phones even though his previous phone was readily available and (b) not mentioning that he had destroyed his phone during his interview. While claiming in one breath that the destroyed phone was “private,” Brady willingly gives up emails and his previous phone, knowing that they do not contain the same damning evidence.
    (8) The Pats balls having significantly less air than the Colts balls at halftime, a phenomenon that could only be explained by extreme hypotheticals.
    (9) Brady admitting that the ball boys would not do anything to the balls without his awareness, consent, and direction.
    (10) The Pats and NFLPA refusing to allow the ball boys to be interviewed after the text messages came to light and refusing to call them for the appeal hearing.

    Yes, it’s all circumstantial evidence, but so too is the evidence typically used to put murderers away for life or to sentence them to death. Yet somehow those of you smelling the Boston pollution seem to think that Brady should be held to a higher, not lower, standard. To say that there is “no evidence” is as disingenuous as the ball boy calling himself the Deflator because he’s trying to lose weight. You just sound ridiculous.

  15. Judge Berman already knows where the talks are and where that have been. Obviously he knows that Brady has vowed not to accept any suspended games or fine, because it amounts to an admission.

    The message he has sent, is straight to the Brady camp and it says: the CBA clears Goodell as the lawful arbiter of this case. His message is, take the damn suspension and get back on the field or have me rule against you after wasting the court’s time.

  16. NFL leadership is making this about Brady not cooperating and they LIE to prove their point.

    Disgusting!

    Goodell needs to go. He kills his players for lying and then does more lying himself then all of them.

  17. Isn’t this basically a Judge warning the NFL…

    …no, it’s the judge warning Brady & Co that they’d better make an astounding offer in order to get Goodell & Co to lower the suspension, which isn’t likely.

  18. I watched that presser a few minutes ago. Damn…When asked about Brady Goodell got nervous and shifty. You can see the discomfort as he sucks on his water bottle and essentially avoids the questions that come his way.

  19. Kayak sales will skyrocket in Boston if Brady’s suspension is upheld, or cut by a game or two.

  20. muslimponder says:
    Aug 11, 2015 5:19 PM
    Brady deserves zero leniency. He should have been suspended for the Super Bowl, and needs to be suspended an additional 4 games for refusing to cooperate with a league investigation and tampering with evidence.

    ====================

    Have you actually read any of the appeal hearing transcript of the court filings? This point of view was a reach 3 weeks ago, but now you just sound like a fool.

  21. The investigation was completely independent; the investigation didn’t have to be independent; but it was nevertheless independent; the investigation was edited by Pash; but, was still independent–I will stand by the 4 game reduction; there will be no reduction; we will ride this through to the end; of course we’ll negotiate in good faith like the judge asked–Goodell’s world is a scary place….all those voices in his head……and my favorite was one I read today–we were involved in setting up a fair independent investigation, we were busy making sure Mr. Wells had all the information he needed; we didn’t correct the incorrect leaked information because Wells asked us not to…on the 19, 20, 21…even though we hired Wells after those dates, did I say it was an independent investigation and we didn’t tell Wells what to do or how to do it…he told us….apparently…..why? why would Ted Wells want to false information out there…how should I know; it was an independent investigation; I never met Ted Wells; I never even heard of Ted Wells; Ted who……

    a very scary place.

  22. Goodell said that there have been discussions with Brady’s camp and that the league will let the “process go from there.”

    Left unsaid was the discussion consisted of Goodell saying “Your a great young man for someone I have already defamed as a lying cheat, no deal for you”

    Nobody who has read the transcript can have any faith in a single word Goodell says or anything Well$ has ever produced as being independent.

  23. The NFL has a rock solid case. Brady and his team know this. Tom will never admit to any form of guilt. And I don’t think it will matter to that the judge is siding with the NFL.

  24. Goodell took away seven months of Football Integrity from all NFL fans of all 32 Teams.

    Kessler, take your time with this – Put the Goose on Slow Roast.

  25. stealthjunk says:
    Aug 11, 2015 5:47 PM

    There’s absolutely NO EVIDENCE against Brady except:

    A bunch of nonsensical Hater Faithful “evidence”.

    Yes, it’s all circumstantial evidence, but so too is the evidence typically used to put murderers away for life or to sentence them to death. Yet somehow those of you smelling the Boston pollution seem to think that Brady should be held to a higher, not lower, standard. To say that there is “no evidence” is as disingenuous as the ball boy calling himself the Deflator because he’s trying to lose weight. You just sound ridiculous.
    ———————-

    Lawl. Way to go!

  26. My favorite joke of the day (from another site)

    Cleveland Browns left tackle Joe Thomas is regarded as one of the better character guys in the NFL, but even the Pro Bowler couldn’t help but to poke a little fun a Commissioner Roger Goodell:

    “Do you think Roger Goodell fancies himself as the Eliot Ness of the NFL taking Tom Brady down for tax evasion?”

    When the players start to openly joke about the commissioner can a vote of no confidence by the owners be far behind? Fire Goodell!!!!

  27. qdog112 says:
    Aug 11, 2015 5:51 PM
    Judge Berman already knows where the talks are and where that have been. Obviously he knows that Brady has vowed not to accept any suspended games or fine, because it amounts to an admission.

    The message he has sent, is straight to the Brady camp and it says: the CBA clears Goodell as the lawful arbiter of this case. His message is, take the damn suspension and get back on the field or have me rule against you after wasting the court’s time.

    Goodell is the one who is on the record as saying he will not reduce the suspension. Brady and the NFLPA have an offer on the table….how do you figure the Judge is talking to Brady?

  28. At the beginning we all were waiting to see the ‘evidence’ against Brady and even many Patriots fans were disgusted at the thought of such serious allegations of cheating.

    As important FACTS came to LIGHT we realized that this is a corrupt witch hunt orchestrated by at least two jealous hateful Owners and Goodell to undermine the Patriots dominance and send a clear message to Brady of ‘who is in charge’.

    Now, however, is the time to FIGHT. To take a stand for TRUTH and to Defend oneself against the Witch Hunters, the Slanderers, the Hateful and the LIARS.

  29. limakey says:
    Aug 11, 2015 6:03 PM
    The NFL has a rock solid case.
    ————————-
    In what universe?
    This case is about whether or not the commish has the authority to suspend TB for 4 games. That’s it. And since there is no precedent for a suspension but plenty of precedence for a $25k fine against the team only, how do you figure the NFL ‘has a rock solid case’??
    Ps, suspension is for ‘conduct detrimental’ for ‘not turning over his phone’, however transcripts prove nothing but total cooperation, so once again, proof talks, BS walks.

  30. You have to obey the Judge’s order moron. Stop patting yourself on the back for something you are required to do.

    Your offer is garbage and unacceptable to Brady or else he would have agreed to it.

    Let me fill you in moron. You are in no position to negotiate with Brady because 1. you have nothing on Brady

    2. You are a compulsive liar.

    3. You talk about protecting integrity which is hilarious, since its proven time & time again you have none.

    4 guess what give Brady zero games, no fine, and o by the way cut him a check for $100 million since you defamed him so he doesnt sue you on his own.

    5. and No non-disclosure agreement either. Remember you were the one that promised transparency.

    6. If you didnt know, you should have known this was a frame job from the start. Ignorance is no excuse remember?

  31. Finally, the light at the end of a long, twisted, treacherous journey.

    I’m not a lawyer, so anything can happen. But I’m betting Goodell and the NFL get their lunch handed to them.

    I’m not a psychiatrist either, but the vitriol expressed by all the Pat haters is rooted in simply jealousy.

    Your team sucks. Mine just wins without many superstars, but well coached, gritty football players. Many were previously cut. I guess coaching is important.

    Ouch, that’s gotta hurt.

  32. RegisHawk says:
    Aug 11, 2015 5:54 PM

    Isn’t this basically a Judge warning the NFL…

    …no, it’s the judge warning Brady & Co that they’d better make an astounding offer in order to get Goodell & Co to lower the suspension, which isn’t likely.
    ——————

    The only logical choices for Tom Brady are either to stick with the 4-game suspension, and still maintain his innocence, or go with no suspension, and maybe a fine for the phone, and still maintain his innocence.

    Emperor Goodell is the one that is going to have to come to his senses, since all of the information that has been released since the case went to Judge Berman shows that the NFL has been orchestrating a witch-hunt from day one.

  33. Sube45, Basically, the NFL has all their ducks in a row, I do believe the judge is talking to Brady’s camp if you want any chance of a game reduction, then you better take what ever offer is given. Brady’s attempt at a settlement is an insult.

  34. “Just one more question Roger. Why did you refuse to hand over your personal cellphone in the Mueller Investigation?

    “Would you like to now amend your sworn testimony that you were the only person in the US who didn’t know Ray Rice beat his girlfriend unconcious and admit to guilt and perjury, since that was your “decision” regarding Brady’s desire to retain his Civil Rights?”

    Truly – when the owners leave their meeting in Chicago without replacing Roger Goodell, they will have themselves violated Article VIII of their own NFL Constitution and Bylaws which state that only a person of “unquestioned integrity SHALL be employed as Commissioner.”

    It will be sad to see the owners collectively admit that there is NO INTEGRITY in the sport of football

  35. When this is all over the result will still be that the Patriots are still one of the top teams of the NFL. It will be with either Brady or Jimmy G., the fun part will be watching the games and reading the haters come up with the next reason the Pats still victorious.

  36. After he retired former NFL pro bowl QB Jeff Black, who played for the Jets, Bengals, Saints, Ravens, Cardinals, Eagles and Bears admitted during a radio interview on Nashville 104.5 The Zone that he ordered ball boys to let the air out of his footballs just before the game throughout his NFL career. He played from 1992 to 2005.

    “Cause when you take the balls out of the bag, they are rock hard. And you can’t feel the ball as well. It’s too hard. Everybody puts the pin in and takes just enough air out of the ball that you can feel it a little better. But it’s not the point to where it’s flat. So I don’t know what the big deal is. It’s not something that’s not been done for 20 years.”

    The NFL never investigated any of these teams. They never fined any of these teams. They never penalized any of them either financially or by removing draft picks. No one in the sports news media has mentioned this once. This was a blatant admission that least 7 teams did exactly what Brady is accused of by the league. No one cared the slightest till it was the Pats.

  37. Goodell was within the authority given him by the CBA. Probably why the judge wants this settled so he doesn’t have to uphold the suspension. Brady would be smart to make a deal.

  38. seahawkboymike says:
    Aug 11, 2015 5:44 PM

    God you Deflatriots fans are totally delusional. Brady and his minions were caught red handed. That’s why he’s trying to win with a liberal judge on a technicality.
    ——————————————————

    PEDs

    Drops mic, exits stage left.

  39. Dear folks quoting stuff from the Wells Report. Considering how much has been found to be inaccurate about the report, that Wells is not independent (as Goodell seems to be still insisting, while claiming no obligation for Wells to be independent, and no requirement in the CBA once it was known that NFL edited the report, and when questioned claiming client privilege) do you really want to quote anything that Wells writes? This is the same lawyer Phillip Morris hires to insist that tobacco does not kill people, strangely enough the tobacco companies also use the same research firm to try and prove tobacco smoke is not harmful. If you buy anything that Wells and the NFL has told you about anything, I have some Nigerian princes that would like to send you a small fortune if you are just willing pay for a small processing fee.

  40. Judge Berman will dismantle Goodell in under three minutes. Here is how it will go down:

    Judge : Mr. Brady, Are you a Witch?

    Brady : No, your Honor – DEFINITELY NOT.
    Judge : Mr. Goodell, Please show me your hunting license.

    Goodell : I do not have one your Honor.

    Judge : OK Then, Mr. Brady is not a Witch and you, Mr. Goodell, do not have a valid hunting license. This was too easy – Suspensions DENIED and NO FINES. Mr. Brady, you are free to go.

    Mr. Goodell, you stay here as we need to assess the fines for staging an ILLEGAL Witch Hunt and doing so without a valid hunting license. I also want to know the names of everyone who was part of the Hunting Party – and I want to see everyone’s phones.

  41. Let’s just play some football. Tom Brady is a great QB and Goodell is an awesome commissioner. His job is to provide entertainment for millions of people and he has done a great job of that. There are a small handful of rules violators and criminals that get most of the attention, but it’s just getting too close to the season to spend anymore time on this. There are great pitchers that scuff the ball, and hitters who use all kinds of PEDs. Most NFL players are on PEDs. Who cares? It’s entertainment. Most actresses in Hollywood had plastic surgery. Now men are dying their hair to look younger. We’re all cheaters. Who cares?

  42. seahawkboymike says:
    Aug 11, 2015 5:44 PM
    God you Deflatriots fans are totally delusional. Brady and his minions were caught red handed. That’s why he’s trying to win with a liberal judge on a technicality.

    You are the one who is delusional sonny. Another loser with their “12” shirt on. Your team lost get over it. By the way, it was the NFL who filed this case in New York with the liberal judge.

  43. There is no evidence. Zero, nada zilch…NOTHING

    Ball boy texts or not.
    Like I’ve said 83,000 times now, He was deflating balls because the refs had them pumped over Way OVER the range that was legal.

    Brady wanted them at the lower end of the legal scale…NOT BELOW knuckleheads!!!!!

    Why is it that the same mush-for-brains haters can’t get this into their heads?
    You keep spewing the same garbage about the Ball boy as if it means anything at all.

    If I was Brady, I would accept being suspended or an entire season before admitting a shadow of guilt, because he didn’t do anything and was not part of your 3rd grade tin-foil hat, deflation conspiracies.

    Clowns

  44. harrisonhits2 says:
    Aug 11, 2015 6:33 PM

    After he retired former NFL pro bowl QB Jeff Black, who played for the Jets, Bengals, Saints, Ravens, Cardinals, Eagles and Bears admitted during a radio interview on Nashville 104.5 The Zone that he ordered ball boys to let the air out of his footballs just before the game throughout his NFL career. He played from 1992 to 2005.

    “Cause when you take the balls out of the bag, they are rock hard. And you can’t feel the ball as well. It’s too hard. Everybody puts the pin in and takes just enough air out of the ball that you can feel it a little better. But it’s not the point to where it’s flat. So I don’t know what the big deal is. It’s not something that’s not been done for 20 years.”

    The NFL never investigated any of these teams. They never fined any of these teams. They never penalized any of them either financially or by removing draft picks. No one in the sports news media has mentioned this once. This was a blatant admission that least 7 teams did exactly what Brady is accused of by the league. No one cared the slightest till it was the Pats.
    ————————–

    That’s why Tom Brady AND Peyton Manning petitioned the league to let teams provide their own footballs. Gave them a chance to condition them.

    If the NFL wanted to manufacture some controversy with the Patriots, couldn’t they have come up with a better one that the inflation level of footballs? Something that has never mattered in the nearly 100 year history of the league? That has obviously been violated every season, by likely every team?

  45. seahawkboymike says:
    Aug 11, 2015 5:44 PM
    God you Deflatriots fans are totally delusional. Brady and his minions were caught red handed. That’s why he’s trying to win with a liberal judge on a technicality.

    God you Seasquawk fans can’t even get your facts straight before mouthing off. The NFLPA wanted to file the case in Minnesota where the supposedly liberal judge presides. It was the NFL that beat them to it by filing in New York so whatever happens will happen in the jurisdiction of their choice.
    And as far as Brady being caught red handed goes, it appears that the only one guilty of deflating footballs was mother nature. But then like many other things the morons at NFL headquarters had no knowledge of anything scientific and even apparently are trying to deny that such things exist.

  46. Did it ever come to mind that the Sting that backfired was actually initiated from the very beginning of the 2014 season?

    Who instructed the Refs to OVER INFLATE the Patriots footballs to 16.0 PSI?

    I am willing to bet that Goodell was banking on Deflated footballs due to Science/Cold Weather.

    By setting up Brady in the beginning of the season by having the Refs over-inflate the footballs, this would have Brady IRRATE and demanding from the ball boys to re-adjust the footballs between 12.5 and 13.0, AFTER the Refs had them OVER-INFLATED way beyond the 13.5 Rule 17 limit.

    Goodell had a simple Plan and for the most part, it has been working.

  47. @infectorman what you are claiming is illegal… he cant “deflate the balls to the lower legal level” any alterations to the football after they were approved by the ref is tampering.. you cant do that.. that is illegal .. and those text messages are pretty damning… flawed investigation or not if Goodell felt Brady lied or mislead or interfered with or obstructed or destroyed his phone or simply refused to give up his phone if RG feels that way he is allowed under the CBA to impose discipline … now the NFLA certainly can argue different aspects but as od right now RG has full power to rule on his gut feeling .. if his gut says Brady did any of those which he interprets as ” integrity of the game” he can absolutely impose discipline regardless if the balls were proven to be deflated or not …. standard of proof is “more likely than not” 51% or better they can argue in court “unprecedented discipline” or ” wasnt aware he could be suspended” and a slew of other things but as it stands RG has full power to impose discipline simply on the fact he FEELS Brady did not fully cooperate. they can argue in court multiple issues but whether the ball was deflated or not at this point is far from the issues

  48. Brady deserves no mercy, and he had better get some punishment. Even if it’s 2 games, that’s better than nothing.
    No one other than the Patriots care, because this team is twisting the rules every which way they can.

  49. stealthjunk says:
    Aug 11, 2015 5:47 PM

    There’s absolutely NO EVIDENCE against Brady except:

    (1) The official ball boy (man? child?) calling himself “The Deflator.”

    ….So, someone giving themselves a nickname is somehow now evidence that Tom Brady ordered employees to deflate footballs below the allowable level?

    (2) The official ball boy asking for and receiving bribes in exchange for deflating footballs, and threatening to “go to ESPN” if he doesn’t get them.

    …Never saw that, and if that is accurate, then that employee would be committing a crime. Extortion. Still, I don’t see evidence against Brady.

    (3) The official ball boy talking about Brady, deflation, and needles all in the same conversation.

    …You are a heroin dealer, I saw you with it, and you use dirty needles. There, I just had a conversation where I used Heroin, Dealing and Needles along with your name in a conversation. Does that make it true?

    (4) Video of the ball boy sneaking off with the balls into a bathroom and claiming he used a non-existent urinal in a move that the referee said he had never seen before.

    So, an employee went to the bathroom on his way to the field. If the officials were truly concerned about the footballs air pressure, how about you not let the balls out of your possession?

    (5) Texts suggesting that Brady was angry at the ball boy for not deflating balls in the past.

    You are talking about the Jets game from earlier in the year. You know that the Ball Boy didn’t go to that game, right? Brady was upset that his footballs were over inflated by the officials, which actually made them illegal. So, the NFL has committed a violation, but still nothing on Brady.

    (6) Brady making several calls to the ball boy to get their story straight after being caught.

    I think you meant to say, “I speculate that Tom Brady called the ball boy to get stories straight. I have no actual evidence, but it makes my rant stronger.”

    (7) Brady destroying his phone on the same day of his interview, then telling two lies: (a) that it was his “regular practice” to destroy phones even though his previous phone was readily available and (b) not mentioning that he had destroyed his phone during his interview. While claiming in one breath that the destroyed phone was “private,” Brady willingly gives up emails and his previous phone, knowing that they do not contain the same damning evidence.

    -(a) Ted Wells has no legal authority to request, or view anything on Tom Brady’s personal cell phone. So, after Wells said he didn’t need the phone, he destroyed it. There is no crime there, and probably a smart decision. Can you imagine the garbage that would have leaked out by the incompetent Wells if he would have had access to Brady’s personal information?

    (8) The Pats balls having significantly less air than the Colts balls at halftime, a phenomenon that could only be explained by extreme hypotheticals.

    This is a false narrative on your part. The reality is that all of the footballs were within the range of what happens when you take footballs into cold weather, from a warm environment. So, what was the Colts footballs PSI?

    (9) Brady admitting that the ball boys would not do anything to the balls without his awareness, consent, and direction.

    -So, this is what you are really hanging your hat on?

    (10) The Pats and NFLPA refusing to allow the ball boys to be interviewed after the text messages came to light and refusing to call them for the appeal hearing.

    Here is what I am seeing as a trend here on this thread. The Patriots beat a team. The beaten teams fans cry that they were cheated. So far, I have read from a Seahawks fan that Brady should have been suspended for the super bowl. The Colts and Ravens fans crying that the Patriots should have had to vacate their spot in the super bowl. Here’s a novel thought. Work on beating the Patriots on the field, and not with a technicality.

  50. Goodell wants the suspension to stand. It’s that simple. He’s a simple man. He might agree to reduce it if Brady apologizes. Goodell lives in his own world.

    Publicly, owners will say they stand behind the commissioner. Privately, at the Happy Hour, they’ll turn to their fellow owner and say, “You don’t think that idiot Goodell can win, do ya”

    It means dollars if Brady doesn’t play. Their dollars. They won’t get too upset if their lawyers can manipulate any suspension to happen in low profile games, but they’ll jump if it looks like Brady might miss the opener.

    The weirdest thing is the NFLPA. They don’t really want a ruling that kills the Personal Conduct penalty. They can beat that in any court. They DO care about the game. They’d like a fine, like it should be.

  51. muslimponder says:
    Aug 11, 2015 5:19 PM
    Brady deserves zero leniency. He should have been suspended for the Super Bowl, and needs to be suspended an additional 4 games for refusing to cooperate with a league investigation and tampering with evidence.

    + 73 – 324

    +++++++++

    None of what you say is aligned with the facts revealed over the last 8 months. None.

    Judging from the 320+ Down Votes you received – looks like a few people agree with my perspective.

  52. After reading the appeals transcript I’m completely at a a lost how anybody can trust anything from the Wells report at this point. NFL fans deserve to know the truth. Not the manufactured cobbled together smelly turd this has become. Deflator? Missing urinal? Going to ESPN? We have at best 2 relevant texts and specifically selected excerpts from interviews held exclusively by the NFL. Seriously? Fans deserve to know the truth not what is selectively being presented by both sides.

    IMO, the NFL failed miserably to present the necessary burden of proof to legislate such a penalty. Furthermore, the lack of notice and over reaching effort of article 46 by goodell is exactly what Berman will use to reduce this to the sham it really is. We all deserve to know the truth.

  53. patrick102977 says:
    Aug 11, 2015 7:10 PM

    @infectorman what you are claiming is illegal… he cant “deflate the balls to the lower legal level” any alterations to the football after they were approved by the ref is tampering.. you cant do that.. that is illegal .. and those text messages are pretty damning… flawed investigation or not if Goodell felt Brady lied or mislead or interfered with or obstructed or destroyed his phone or simply refused to give up his phone if RG feels that way he is allowed under the CBA to impose discipline … now the NFLA certainly can argue different aspects but as od right now RG has full power to rule on his gut feeling .. if his gut says Brady did any of those which he interprets as ” integrity of the game” he can absolutely impose discipline regardless if the balls were proven to be deflated or not …. standard of proof is “more likely than not” 51% or better they can argue in court “unprecedented discipline” or ” wasnt aware he could be suspended” and a slew of other things but as it stands RG has full power to impose discipline simply on the fact he FEELS Brady did not fully cooperate. they can argue in court multiple issues but whether the ball was deflated or not at this point is far from the issues
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    First of all, he can’t, but Emperor Goodell is going to spend most of his time losing in Federal court if he truly believes he can punish players just by relying on nothing more than his gut feeling.

    He also can’t discipline a player under Conduct Detrimental rules for not fully cooperating.

  54. @skinfangray: Yes, it’s just all a huge coincidence that all 10 of those things happened — the biggest coincidence of all time. I’ve never heard so many lame excuses in my life. Stop sniffing the Boston air and take a swift breath of reality.

  55. Anyone here know that Goodell is in court on the 13th too? He is facing a contempt hearing because of the Adrian Peterson case which the NFL lost. I think those of you quoting from Wells need to take a breath and think about if Goodell and Wells has taken you to be suckers. The NFL refuses to release the raw notes of the investigation – why? could it be as embarrassing to them as the appeal transcript, that showed that Goodell flat out lied about what Brady actually said? Then there is the former coach of the Dolphins suing Wells for defamation because Wells apparently omitted information that might have absolved him of guilt and framed his actions in the most negative way possible. So no more quoting from anything that Wells writes – it is apparently fiction.

  56. A clarification is in order. Goodell is not a lone wolf, he is doing exactly what a majority of 31 owners (minus Kraft) want him to do. These owners have been safely hidden behind the curtain but the transcript release plus the supporting documents upped the ante. Thank you Judge Berman. The instant the stench hits their brand they, the small group of influential owners, will reevaluate their support of this action, and Goodell. The longer this plays out the worse it gets for the league image. Think WWE, except WWE is more honorable. Already hit with a sledge hammer Brady has zero, nothing, nada to lose by taking this all the way. The Pats are planning on his absence, even if it impacts the 2015 season, and they 100% support this fight. Any team, any winning team that is, would do the same thing.

  57. Suspend or don’t suspend I hope Brady sues the NFL for defamation of character and Incognito follows.

    People aren’t going to change their mind at this point either you are convinced the Pats did something even after trying as hard as possible they can’t prove anything or you think it’s a railroad job.

    Sit back, wait and see.

  58. Judges, as a group, aren’t very kind to people who misrepresent the facts. Brady’s whole case is predicated on a lie…which won’t bode well for him if the final decision is made without a concession….which there 100% shouldn’t be. Brady should be ashamed of himself, cheating in a professions game but acting like a 5 year old kid trying to sneak something past his parents, who know full well what they did but they continue to lie anyway. Absolutely pathetic individual. Seriously, how can ANYONE not want to smash a mud pie in his face. What a joke for a person.

  59. Skinfangrey : WELL SAID!! I still can’t believe it’s come to this. As Mr Kraft said it was never about finding the truth but rather the NFL proving it was right.
    After all the lies from the NFL it’s unbelievable that Goodell has the nerve to talk about integrity.

  60. Here’s my question: Grigson said “everyone” knew that the Patriots deflated footballs in a letter to the NFL that initiated deflategate. Who are the specific individuals Grigson included in “everyone” and if he can’t back up his statement why hasn’t he been suspended?

  61. @patrick102977:

    Regardless of whether or not he can or cannot request his guys to make sure the balls were at the lower end of the 12.5 -13.5 range, the purpose of my post is to provide a logical/probable explanation for the “deflator” name. not to argue the finer points off the NFL “rules”.
    “Rules” at that point, had never been enforced or processed with anything remotely resembling a protocol.

    “Rules” that were routinely broken by NFL officials by guessing at air pressure and often guessing incorrectly as to whether the PSI levels in any ball of any game were within the range at which the “rules” call for.

    Rules that were never once discussed with the Patriots prior to the iNeptFL launching it’s witch hunt against Brady and the Patriots at the behest of Kensil, Grigson, Harbuugh, Gardi and Goodell.

    These same “rules” were admittedly being routinely broken by Aaron Rodgers.

    Where is his witch-hunt and “investigation”

    My post was to cast the correct light on what likely happened amongst Brady and the Ball Boys, which was basically nothing.
    Brady had a right to submit the balls as the PSI he desired as long as they passed the Referees smell test. No one has any proof that a ball boy did anything after the fact.
    That is the bottom line.

    You don’t suspend a player for four games, fine a team 1 million and steal 2 draft picks from them because you kinda, sorta think maybe something might have happened at one point prior to a game.

    What a complete Joke the NFL is

  62. The NFL needs to maintain a hard stance on the suspension. Apart from the fact that 4 games isn’t even close to a sufficient punishment is the fact that if he concede, ever player will then sue the NFL in Court anytime they are suspended. He deserves every minute of that suspension & then about 12 more games. Anything less than a full year suspension for Brady is an insult to every other team, player & fan!

  63. “Deflator”cant be used as evidence, as it means pats an brady had cheated for years.

    But how do you explain that they cheated for years, on something nobody checked or cared, but million dollar investigation could not find any hard evidence, not even a text message between bray and mcnally?

  64. truthdispensary says:
    Aug 11, 2015 8:11 PM

    The NFL needs to maintain a hard stance on the suspension. Apart from the fact that 4 games isn’t even close to a sufficient punishment is the fact that if he concede, ever player will then sue the NFL in Court anytime they are suspended. He deserves every minute of that suspension & then about 12 more games. Anything less than a full year suspension for Brady is an insult to every other team, player & fan!
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    If Emperor Goodell spends a lot of time in court, it is his own doing, and not that of a player.

  65. Truthdispensary,
    Can you explain why mcnally had to ask j jastremsk’s help to get signed gift from brady if he had helped brady cheat for years?

    Please stop showing off stidity!

  66. There’s no question of his guilt, we all know Shady did it & Belicheat was complicit. The only question is do the men handling the case actually have the Rocky Mountain Oysters to sufficiently punish them? Thus far, I would give Goodell a D-minus for ignoring the fact the Belicheat should also be suspended & only giving Shady 4 games. If Shady’s suspension gets cut form here, then the NFL will officially become classified as ‘entertainment’ rather than a ‘Sports Event’. And the closest similar ‘entertainment’ would be the ‘Benny Hill Show’.

  67. rk4steelers says:
    Aug 11, 2015 8:22 PM
    There’s no question of his guilt, we all know Shady did it & Belicheat was complicit. The only question is do the men handling the case actually have the Rocky Mountain Oysters to sufficiently punish them? Thus far, I would give Goodell a D-minus for ignoring the fact the Belicheat should also be suspended & only giving Shady 4 games. If Shady’s suspension gets cut form here, then the NFL will officially become classified as ‘entertainment’ rather than a ‘Sports Event’. And the closest similar ‘entertainment’ would be the ‘Benny Hill Show’.

    And this shows the ignorance of people. Really there’s “no question ”
    Wells didn’t say that in his report. Please, please show us the proof.

    Here is a question for you. If they had some elaborate scheme to deflate footballs then why did Brady (per the wells report) have Text JJ to bring a copy of the rules in to the refs to show them what the proper PSI levels should be? Why would they want to draw attention to themselves if they are doing something shady?

  68. The NFL should apologize to the entire Patriot organization, and reimburse them for attorneys and other expenses. The NFL should also apologize to fans everywhere, and enact reforms protecting players from arbitrary punishments.

  69. If you are against Brady, then you believe in Goodell which is unreal given his history of lies. The most recent being a major lie in his ruling against Brady which would have never been caught if the testimony had not been unsealed.

    Is the hate for Brady and the Pats so great that you are willing to blindly accept anything that Goodell says?

    When it comes to transparency and integrity, I will take Brady over Goodell any day.

  70. I used to think Peyton Manning was more popular than Brady because Peyton never passed up a nickel on the street. I mean he’s in your face on TV 365 days a year, and his “oh shucks” schtick really sells those oreos. But I now realize that thinking was all wrong. The reason people like Peyton is because he comes very close to, but never quite wins the big game. Oh sure he won one SB, but so did Trent Dilfer. No Peyton is loved because he always blows it at just the right time for people to feel sorry for him and be able to say “we’ll get ’em next time”. Brady on the other hand does his talking on the field. Both verbally and skillfully. Peyton Manning cheats on his wife, barely a whisper. Brady wants a white pool cover…FRONT PAGE NEWS…Had Peyton Manning been accused of deflating the balls, the NFL would have shaken its head with a laugh and said “oh that silly Peyton” no doubt. But I’ll happily take trophies over Doritos or whatever crap Peyton peddles

  71. What is there to settle??? I thought Brady was out for 4 games. Does he think he is some sort of NFL prima donna with an imploding cell phone??? The Patriots are nothing but a bunch of whiners and complainers. Enough of the Brady bravo sierra already. Suspend him for the 4 games and be done with it and let the judge go back to whatever he does.

  72. limakey says:
    Aug 11, 2015 6:03 PM
    The NFL has a rock solid case. Brady and his team know this. Tom will never admit to any form of guilt. And I don’t think it will matter to that the judge is siding with the NFL.
    ________________________________________
    Limakey, Limakey,
    You make it so hard to be polite. The only thing rock solid that the NFL has is the matter contained between Goodell’s ears. Brady will be exonerated.

  73. Shame on all of you people that are excusing Brady. It’s unreal that you can’t see the facts in this case. It is the saddest of commentaries that success in sports at any price is accepted by a fan base and it is even more disgusting that media members in the pursuit of Any notoriety they can muster poke any hole they can in a case that is painfully obvious to any objective observer to be ripe with deceit and evasive, dishonest actions! Shame on Brady and the win at all cost and catch me if you can mentality! Garbage!

  74. stealthjunk

    You DO realize that deflating game footballs prior to inspection by the officials is perfectly legal
    down to 12.5 PSI and once they are measured and
    inspected by said official it is at THAT point they
    can no longer be tampered with……

    Please tell me you understand this fact stealthskunk.

    Please tell me you have not predicated your entire opinion on something different.

  75. Goodell throws Wells under the bus! “Oh,boy,this is gonna be good”. (ala Flounder in Animal House) I can’t wait to LMAO by the end of this week! TB not going to settle for less,great job Tom! Hahaha!

  76. This is simply a power move by Goodell. If he keeps teams off balance, they won’t join together to eliminate him. The Saints bounty thing was way overblown. And what about the Cowboys and Redskins “over the cap” penalty, in a year with no cap! If your favorite team hasn’t been screwed yet, just wait, it’s coming. Because if he can do this to the league’s most successful team of the last decade, he can do it to anyone.

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