Judge Berman tells NFL, NFLPA to keep talking about a potential settlement

On Wednesday, Judge Richard M. Berman will try to twist arms to get the lawsuit arising from Tom Brady’s suspension resolved. On Tuesday, he essentially told both sides to assume the arm-twisting position.

Via multiple reports, Judge Berman has issued a brief order “requesting” (i.e., demanding) that the parties engage in further settlement discussions on Tuesday. Judge Berman also said that he will “meet briefly” with the parties in the “robing room” before Wednesday’s hearing that will entail oral arguments on behalf of both parties.

Here’s what it means.

Judge Berman wants the two sides to be as close to their bottom-line positions as possible on Wednesday morning, so that he won’t have to waste time getting them to their impasse point. Then, once he knows what each side is offering, he’ll conduct a hearing on the merits of the case.

Then, through the questions he asks and comments he makes from the bench, the parties will know which side needs to bend. If that doesn’t get the case settled, he’ll do some more bending next Wednesday, during the second settlement conference.

Although a judge can’t force two sides to settle, a judge can make it clear to one side that the choices are to take what you can get or take nothing.

A long time ago, when I was only practicing law and hadn’t practiced law for very long, a judge asked in a pretrial conference if my client would keep a settlement offer on the table for 24 hours, no matter how he ruled on a pending issue that could have delivered an outright victory to my client. I said, “But, Your Honor, if you rule in my favor, my client won’t want to settle at that point.”

The judge then shot me a glance that carried this message: Hey dumbass, that’s my message to the other guy that he’d better take the offer while he can.

So I agreed, and the other lawyer quickly took the offer.

While it probably won’t go down quite the same way before Judge Berman (although there may be a few “hey dumbass” looks), that’s an example of how a judge can force a settlement without literally forcing a settlement.

210 responses to “Judge Berman tells NFL, NFLPA to keep talking about a potential settlement

  1. Roger,

    Let’s settle this. Here is my offer. You fire Pash, Vincent & Kensil. The NFL is never allowed to use Ted Wells firm in an investigation again. You hold a press conference where you publicly exonerate me and the Patriots of all wrong doing. You remove my suspension and you reinstate the Patriots draft picks. At the end of your statement you will resign. In return, I will not file a multi-million dollar defamation lawsuit against you and the NFL. I will also do my best to make sure Patriots fans do not burn your vacation home to the ground. Do we have a deal?

    Tom Brady

  2. Maybe the judge should ask that the unedited Wells report along with notes be released so the world can see just how diabolical the Ginger Hammer and his minions are. I will bet there is much in there that does not support the NFL’s predetermined conclusion that they do not want to be brought to light.

  3. Jusge Berman you will have to decide. Brady did nothing wrong and hes not settling for any penalty.

    And the NFL is just corrupt and they wont back down because they will look like the morons everyone knows they are.

    And if Judge Berman decides for the NFL he should be removed from the bench because then he was paid off by the NFL. No one with any level of intelligence could conclude the NFL acted justly and without malice or regard for this entire fiasco

  4. If Im Tom Brady, I laugh at Judge Berman.

    His goal is no suspension, and no admittance of guilt whatsoever.

    The NFL wants him suspended and fined, and the Patriots giving up a first round pick, even if there is no proof of any wrongdoing. Even if no wrongdoing ever happened (according to the Ideal Gas Law)

    So what exactly is Tom Brady supposed to budge on? He wants complete exoneration. The NFL is not budging on that, even though there is no proof any of the balls were even deflated. What exactly are they supposed to discuss? The NFL is wrong. Goodell is on a witch hunt and doesnt care that he is assassinating Tom Bradys name and character completely.

  5. Brady team bottom line: No suspensions, will accept 50k fine for not cooperating (ala Brett Favre).

    Let’s go to trial!!

  6. I have a better story.

    The judge (Federal Judge Richard Williams) asked my business partner and the point person on the other side in a pretrial conference if they would agree to let him settle right then and there. My partner, knowing the judge wanted he case off his docket, quickly said yes and the other party felt obligated to say yes as well. The judge found in our favor and their counsel (a real twit) was not pleased, especially since it left an action in another jurisdiction in tact and the finding for us aided that case. Prior to the conference the other side was fighting among themselves, likely because they had diverse interests in a settlement.

  7. Since Ted “Independence” Wells and his firm will be representing the NFL at the hearing presumably, all the plaintiffs lawyers will know where to serve him with defamation suits. Now that’s judicial efficiency.

  8. Here is the flaw: Goodell is better off with 31 teams having the decision overturned than he is materially compromising via a settlement. If Brady accepts any suspension (other than pre-season games) it will be viewed as an admission of guilt, so he’d rather have the suspension upheld by the judge based on the notion that than process did not have to be “fair” in accordance with the CBA, and he can continue to deny. It just seems to be one of those cases where both parties may prefer a court-determined outcome in either direction rather than a settlement (unless Judge Berman can the create an atmosphere that the public court process will be incredibly painful for one or both parties – as he appear to be trying to do with the unsealed documents).

  9. Small issue (PSI) but major control point between the NFL and NFLPA

    Looks like the adult (Berman) will bring his own opinion – Given the recent mischaracterization of Bradys appeal hearing by the NFL – cant help but think the judge will look upon that disfavorably and hold them accountable in some way – either through the ruling or painting them as the manipulators that they have been over the last 8 months.

    As for Brady – It would be very hard to accept any penalty for something that you didn’t do.

    If the NFLPA loses – Next year we will see them in court again fighting another case until they get the independence they gave up in the CBA.

    The NFL cannot withstand long protracted media battles with the NFLPA every time a player is accused of something.

    In the long run – Independent abitration and investigations are better for both sides and the league as a whole.

  10. I just can’t see it happening. Brady testified under oath that he did nothing wrong and the corrupt NFL keeps moving the goalposts on what they are charging Brasy with. The judge will have to tell one side they will flat out lose if they don’t settle to foster a settlement.

  11. If the judge says “dumbass” tomorrow, both sides will look up. ENOUGH ALREADY. Are you ready for some football?

  12. rcosborne59 says:
    Aug 11, 2015 10:41 AM
    Maybe the judge should ask that the unedited Wells report along with notes be released so the world can see just how diabolical the Ginger Hammer and his minions are. I will bet there is much in there that does not support the NFL’s predetermined conclusion that they do not want to be brought to light.

    —————————————————————

    Agree. The NFL has COMPLETE CONTROL with NO EXPECTATION OF TRANSPARENCY.

    I believe that is the definition of tyranny.

    That is bad for everyone – The NFL, the Players, the Owners and the Fans

    The Judge should force the NFL to release the Wells Report Transcripts.

    My guess is that everything falls apart for the NFL once that data is release (they have been unwilling to release anything to date)

  13. Real simple just put the equipment managers under oath. End of story

    No sense in putting Tom under oath because he will still lie anyway

  14. Enough troup-think:

    Roger Goodell is a POSITIVE FORCE FOR CHANGE IN THE NFL! Leading it tough, just ask Jack Welch. Some feelings get hurt when you change an org’s culture. Tom Brady and all the others should get over it and get in line!

  15. artvan15 says:
    Aug 11, 2015 10:53 AM
    NFL better settle…give Brady the $25,000 fine and be done with it.
    ————-

    Why? The NFL is in the position of strength. Brady’s appeal is a long shot. That’s why they didn’t budge on the appeal.

  16. I wonder if Goodell will lie to the judge like he has done to the media and fans. Then again, trolls are eating up all the lies he is feeding them because they refuse to look at the facts.
    A fact that you trolls keep bring up is why don’t the Patriots bring back the 2 fired ball boys if the team is innocent. Read the Troy Vincent decision on the Patriot’s penalties and he ruled they are to be suspended until the league rescinds their suspensions so please find another excuse to keep believing Goodell. By the way Goodell lied when he came out the next day to refute the report that said the NFL didn’t haven anything to do with the ball boys being fired or suspended. Didn’t he read Troy Vincent’s ruling or is he just lying some more. Funny how he never responded to all the false reports that came out about the phoney PSI reports??? NO, this isn’t framegate! Troll on while ignoring the facts.

  17. No suspension. Make those wussy teams who aren’t man enough to beat Tom Brady on the field SQUIRM. 🙂

    Teach them a lesson. It’s long past time those Wussies learned to try and beat the GOAT QB like REAL MEN instead of being the wussies that they are begging the league’s help to take the meanie Brady off the field so they would have a better chance! LOL!!! LOL LOLOL. LOL. LOL! LOL!!!!!

  18. .
    The only logical settlement language would be :

    ” Brady was probably PARTIALLY generally aware of a scheme to deflate the balls that were, in fact, never deflated”
    .

  19. hooded12 says:
    Aug 11, 2015 10:48 AM

    Trial By Combat!!!!!!!
    ======\
    THIS! If Rog wants to prove that he actually makes money? Pay per view!

  20. Berman ordering all documents unsealed is key. If the NFLPA uses any information from any prior case that is sealed it becomes part of the unsealed record.
    The NFLPA seems quite comfortable with that.
    I wonder how the NFL feels.

  21. Pretty clear what’s happening here, and I agree with Florio. It’s pretty obvious from the outside that Brady is not going to accept ANY settlement in which he has to either sit out games or admit he was involved in any wrongdoing.

    Since Brady won’t give on those points and that’s 100% clear, the pointed settlement warnings are obviously directed at Goodell and the NFL.

  22. I suspect Brady would rather have a judge uphold the four games rather than settle for 1 or 2. Non-Brady fans presume guilt, and nothing will change that.

    He would rather stand up for his rights and fight this to the end, even if it means risking a larger penalty than a settlement.

    Don’t settle for anything less than 0 games, $0 fine and a personal, public apology from Goodell. (Since that ain’t gonna happen…read: Let the judge decide.)

  23. The only conclusion that is appropriate is for Goodell to resign and for the “Full 32” to clean house including the league’s legal council. There is no room for league executives to engage in sting operations and harass the leagues finest player. Scientists proved atmospheric conditions caused the deflation..yet Goodell refuses to acknowledge that his multimillion investigation was a witch hunt and a sham designed to entrap and humble the league’s most successful and dominant franchise. NE’s only crime is winning…..and only Goodell and his ex-Jet minions believe that is sufficient enough for execution.
    Owners…clean up your mess now. Goodell soils the shield more every day he remains as the league’s face. Good guys like Tom Brady should be the league’s face….not thGoodellis boob

  24. Brady admits no wrongdoing – because there was no wrongdoing on his part. All else is intrigue. I would advise him to threaten nothing at this time. I don’t think he cares a hoot about suspension or fine.

    The NFL is on the ropes, and Berman knows it. He’d rather the NFL end this as cleanly as possible.

  25. Fun to watch the Pats fans / drones show up to ever thread on this with the same tripe.

    I’d be very surprised if the Judge tells the NFL to settle or he overturns the suspension.

    On what grounds?

    Goodell is acting within his authority as defined by a recently negotiated collective bargaining agreement. Can’t see why the Judge would go against something legal and prenegotiated in the private sector.

    As for Pats fans continual arguments for innoncence, I still don’t see how you parse out the smoking guns texts from the equipment men AND Brady’s destruction of his own phone.

    Given the NFL’s internal standard is basically preponderance of the evidence, I think Goodell thinking is 51% likely or more that there was a scheme given all evidence isn’t wild enough for a judge to overrule.

    I’ll venture a guess Brady gets a minor reduction (1-2 games), doesn’t have to say he’s guilty of the ball deflating, but has to admit he wasn’t fully cooperative an is sorry for that.

  26. I’ve settled on the fact that Goodell, Pash, Vincent, Kensil, Gardi have been caught lying and Brady has not.
    No suspension, in accordance with the CBA.
    And given the extraordinary latitude Goodell is given in the CBA, that’s really saying something.

  27. raidernation210 says:
    Aug 11, 2015 11:08 AM

    Real simple just put the equipment managers under oath. End of story

    No sense in putting Tom under oath because he will still lie anyway
    ________________________
    And you know this how?

    You do realize there is not any evidence that Brady was involved with any scheme to deflate balls? Wells looked his hardest, and the best he could come up with (and even this was done with a very dubious set of assumptions and leaps of logic) was that Brady was “generally aware” of such a scheme.

    But I’m glad you’re so capable of learning DA TRUTH from your gut. I bet you’re a helluva poker player with that ability to figure out when people are lying…

  28. “raidernation210 says:
    Aug 11, 2015 11:08 AM
    Real simple just put the equipment managers under oath. End of story

    No sense in putting Tom under oath because he will still lie anyway”

    Wells and the NFL were unable to get anything close to a confession from either Jastremski or McNally in 4 seperate interviews, nothing from their interviews were included in the report because they flatly denied everything. You’re foolish to think these dorito dinks are good enough actors to not crack throughout that process.

    #haterlogic

  29. I just want this to END! Let the Colts put up their “participation banner” the Ravens put up their “Pinocchio banner” (we didn’t call the colts) and the Jets put up their SB III banner. Yes the 46 year old one.
    Can not wait to see the Patriots embarrass the Colts (again) kick the Ravens ass just to see Harbaugh cry again and like always beat the Jets. J-E-T-S …J-E-T-S – L-O-S-E-R-S !!!!

  30. ftblfan9 says:
    Aug 11, 2015 10:54 AM

    Here is the flaw: Goodell is better off with 31 teams having the decision overturned than he is materially compromising via a settlement.

    ———–

    I’m not so sure. I really don’t know, but it would seem a court decision in Brady’s favor could set some precedence on some issues that the NFL might not want.

    Brady can’t, do any worse than where he already is. If he loses, his punishment remains the same, he can still deny it. Regardless of whether he loses, wins or settles, there will always be some people that think he did something wrong.

    To me, the NFL risks losing more than Brady does.

  31. ravensruleall says:
    Aug 11, 2015 11:08 AM
    Enough troup-think:

    Roger Goodell is a POSITIVE FORCE FOR CHANGE IN THE NFL! Leading it tough, just ask Jack Welch. Some feelings get hurt when you change an org’s culture. Tom Brady and all the others should get over it and get in line!

    ——————————————————————-
    Positive force for change? He has lied to and manipulated the media, tried to pass of a sham of a report he paid millions for as the independent gospel truth, only to walk away from it later – he even lied in the appeal ruling believing the transcripts would never be released – and you call that Positive change?

    He is a spiteful manipulative lying little man that is ruining the sport so many of us love – just to maintain power and control….He needs to leave. Now.

  32. Brady will win in a landslide but the NFL has been all in for a long time there will be no settlement. Kessler already tore them to shreds in the appeal hearing that’s why the NFL wanted to keep the records sealed. The truth will all come out and the NFL will look foolish once again.

  33. Here’s your offer brady,
    Take the shame and 4 games and feel lucky that the NFL didn’t come down harder on you.

    Let’s see that smirk now Tammy.

  34. Question for anyone that believes McNally is the deflator because he steals the footballs and deflates them in the bathroom pregame:

    Where are the videos of McNally going into the bathroom prior to other home games? I would assume that a 4 month and 5 million dollar investigation looked at footage from the same camera that showed McNally going into the bathroom before the championship game. Do you think that Wells decided not to include this information in his report because he found out there are no other instances of McNally going into the bathroom? What other reason would there be to not include anything on this? We have been told for months that there is a scheme to deflate footballs pregame, and we have been told for months McNally ducked into the bathroom to deflate them. Umm wouldn’t these videos be a smoking gun if they existed? Wouldn’t an intelligent conclusion be that they don’t exist because McNally DOESN’T deflate the footballs pregame?

  35. After he retired former NFL QB and pro bowl QB Jeff Blake said in a radio interview on Nashville 104.5 The Zone that he’d order ball boys to let the air out of his footballs before the start of the games during his entire NFL career.

    He played for the Jets, Bengals, Saints, Ravens, Cardinals and Bears

    “Cause when you take the balls out of the bag, they are rock hard. And you can’t feel the ball as well. It’s too hard.

    “Everybody puts the pin in and takes just enough air out of the ball that you can feel it a little better. But it’s not the point to where it’s flat. So I don’t know what the big deal is. It’s not something that’s not been done for 20 years.”

    So if you’re a fan of any of those 7 teams you can be quiet now.

  36. I don’t understand why a settlement is needed. It’s obvious from the transcripts, documents, emails, reports, etc. That its all a fabrication on the part of the NFL. Why doesn’t the Judge just vacate the accusations against Brady and we’re all done with this witch hunt?

    Has the Judge not seen all the transcripts, emails, lack of evidence, etc.?!?!

    Again, a guy is suspended for not doing a thing wrong. I just don’t get what needs to be settled!

  37. It is so tiring for the East Coast to have 1-3 hours to comment on these stories before the rest of the country wakes up in the morning. It gives the false impression that the whole country is rooting for Brady. They are not. Just because the first 40 or 50 comments on every story is slanted toward the Patriots, it is not indicative of how most of the country feels. it is only indicative of the time zone structure. And then, of course, nobody wants to flip down to comments that are 40 or 50 comments in.

  38. unitas19 says:
    Aug 11, 2015 10:48 AM
    NFL needs to stand firm on Brady’s four game suspension.
    ———————-
    Goodell has no choice at this point and neither does Brady. Goodell is a boob but because he’s coming down on the Patriots he has the support of all the other owners and fans, no matter that it’s been long proven to be a witch hunt with no evidence of tampering with the balls. If he caves now he’ll have the support of no one, the entire league will come down on him and his office. Convicting Brady is his only shot to save his job.

  39. If you are a Raiders, Dolphins, Bills, Jets, Ravens, Eagles, Seahawks, Colts or Broncos fan, you shouldn’t be commenting on here hoping for objectivity from Patriots fans….your bias shows through almost as much as theirs does.

    Also, the pats own real estate in some peoples heads. Go back and look at the top commented articles for the past 8 months, 90% of them all center around the Patriots. These same people that live on NE articles scarcely will comment on their own teams’ articles.

    Then again, what is there to comment on? I think I can sum up the points of emphasis for all the teams I’ve just listed:

    Raiders: Still angry about the tuck rule
    Dolphins: Bottom dweller in the AFC East since Marino
    Bills: Like the Fins only more recent (replace Marino with Kelly)
    Jets: I don’t need to twist the knife, do I?
    Ravens: Fair competition, but gave up two 14 point leads last year in the playoffs
    Eagles: Why wasn’t there an investigation into PukeGate during the Superbowl loss??
    Seahawks: 28-24
    Colts : How’s that run defense?
    Broncos: Brady’s better than Payton.

    I think I covered this pretty well!

  40. No non disclosure agreements either. Good-scum promised transparency. According to him, public statements dont need to be true. So in other words he can just lie and then everyone can believe hes all for protecting integrity lol. This guy is a tool

    Keep digging yourself a dirtnap

  41. No settlement….not a chance. Who in their right mind would settle for two games just so their persecutor can save face. Goodell is killing the NFL.

  42. I don’t think either side is willing to settle at this point.

    The NFL has dug in their heals and spent millions of dollars if Goodell was to accept a deal he would look like an idiot; more so than he already does that is.

    And Brady has said that he is 100% innocent he can’t accept a deal now, it would imply guilt.

    Judge Berman may want a settlement but I strongly doubt he gets it. I think at this point Tom Brady would rather lose in court and take the 4 game suspension than make a deal with Goodell and the NFL.

  43. We all know Goodell and his minions have been busted. A sting gone bad. Evidence altered. A mountain of lies. And a refusal to step down. Goodell is a desperate man.

  44. Its time for a 9 figure defamation suit against Paul Weiss, Ted Wells, Goodell and the NFL. These a$$clowns have made it their business to maliciously ruin Brady’s reputation, which is conveniently exactly what a defamation suit is meant to compensate someone for. He can then donate the money to charity because God knows he doesn’t need it.

  45. As much as I hate Brady and the Pats… The case looks like both sides have a point the NFL and Brady should just split the difference. Meet in the middle fine and a 1 maybe 2 game suspension. Sorry Pats fans but as good as the Pats are they have done some shady stuff from taping walkthroughs to Blount mysteriously walking out of practice in Pitt and ending up in NE.
    Facts are facts everyone outside of Massachusetts agrees that the Pats are shady and subverted the rules in one way or another..this team will forever be labeled*

  46. RegisHawk says:
    Aug 11, 2015 11:22 AM
    Goodell’s got the high-ground. I don’t see him giving up anything.

    Everyone involved in this sham is on some pretty low ground right now, especially the pathological liar Goodell.

    Goodell will almost certainly be giving up his job should the NFL and NFLPA not reach a compromise, and Judge Berman’s decision is to vacate Brady’s suspension and rip Goodell and Wells a new one.

    I don’t know if that is what will happen in reality, but that is what happens in my dreams.

  47. Goodell has sneakily changed his story on WHY he chose to punish TB. What should be relevant is his reasoning at the time of the penalty and the appeal. At that time he was claiming:

    -Wells investigation was supposedly independent, and that influenced Goodell’s decision
    -Brady was concluded to be generally aware of equipment tampering by others

    Hopefully the judge sees through this shell game where suddenly it doesn’t matter that Wells was not independent and Brady violated the integrity of the game clause.


    It is time to exonerate Tom Brady.

    Mother Nature is the only thing that deflated those footballs.

  48. Not to be that guy here, but isn’t the old saw, any publicity is good publicity? Every year there is some huge drama unfolding in the offseason, Bountygate, Deflategate, next year it will be Fill in the Blank gate and so on and so on. People keep saying that this will undo the NFL, but ratings have never been higher. A preseason game just beat the Stanley Cup finals in ratings and beat all but the finals in MLB and the NBA.

    I think Goodell knows that he is the villian and it is exactly what he wants to do. It started as a mantra to clean up the league when he was first appointed commissioner and as players have pushed back from his increasingly harsh penalties, it has morphed into the league office versus players and by extension the NFLPA in the offseason. Goodell plays the villian to keep people engaged in the game all year round. This will end right around the start of the season and you will now have a lot of angry, but super engaged fans watching the games passionately.

    The 24 news cycle never stops, so the league manufactures ways to stay relevant in the offseason, that is all this is about. If this happened week two of the season, it would be over, because the league would not need the publicity during the season, but since it happened so close to the offseason, that is why it was made into such a big deal. Next year it will be something else, mark my words. It is bad for business to not be in the limelight at any point in the calendar year.

  49. Sane Pats fan: They don’t have any evidence on Brady. His punishment should be lifted. He may or may not have known about JM/JJ tampering with the balls. There were leaks with misinformation that should have been corrected, but the league probably doesn’t give a rat’s ass, because they’re sick of the Patriots screwing around.

    Insane Pats fan: They don’t have evidence on Brady. There was no tampering with the balls because JM was on a weight loss program and the Pats are 100% innocent and the league is run by vindictive Jets fans and Goodell is trying to make himself look better after his handling of Ray Rice.

  50. The judge has no legal jurisdiction to decide if Brady is guilty (clearly he is). The only thing he is allowed to rule on is if Brady got a fair hearing under the CBA, which he clearly did. Beyond that, he has no authority.

    Which probably won’t stop him from making an illegal ruling.

  51. “theashleyguy says:
    Aug 11, 2015 11:29 AM
    It is so tiring for the East Coast to have 1-3 hours to comment on these stories before the rest of the country wakes up in the morning. It gives the false impression that the whole country is rooting for Brady. They are not. Just because the first 40 or 50 comments on every story is slanted toward the Patriots, it is not indicative of how most of the country feels. it is only indicative of the time zone structure. And then, of course, nobody wants to flip down to comments that are 40 or 50 comments in.”

    Trust me, nobody in New England thinks the whole country is rooting for Brady. We get it, there is far too much time needed to read all the pertinent documents about this case for people without a vested interest to care. The rest of you people get your opinions from your local talking heads (who haven’t read anything either) or ESPN (the NFL’s mouthpiece).

    We read your comments and roll our eyes because we know you haven’t read more than a headline or maybe a few articles, meanwhile we’ve been reading EVERYTHING for 7 months. We are obviously far more knowledgeable about this case, so we don’t really value your opinions too highly.

  52. Am I wrong on this? The hearing is not about whether Brady schemed to deflate the balls. We all know he did. Or is it about whether Brady lied and obstructed the investigation. Again, guilty on both counts.

    It is about whether Goodell has the power to suspend Brady.

    Which of course he does per the latest CBA.

  53. “kgun80 says:
    Aug 11, 2015 11:39 AM
    As much as I hate Brady and the Pats… The case looks like both sides have a point the NFL and Brady should just split the difference. Meet in the middle fine and a 1 maybe 2 game suspension. Sorry Pats fans but as good as the Pats are they have done some shady stuff from taping walkthroughs to Blount mysteriously walking out of practice in Pitt and ending up in NE.
    Facts are facts everyone outside of Massachusetts agrees that the Pats are shady and subverted the rules in one way or another..this team will forever be labeled*”

    The hater misinformation campaign marches on. Taping walkthroughs? Clearly you missed the retraction in 2008 from Tomase that stated the story was entirely and 100% fiction. Blount mysteriously walking out of practice in Pittsburgh and ending up in New England? You realize there was a waiver process and 30 other teams chose not to sign him, correct?

    Sorry, facts only.

  54. RegisHawk says:
    Aug 11, 2015 11:22 AM
    Goodell’s got the high-ground. I don’t see him giving up anything.
    ——————

    This is true. The NFL are overwhelming favorites to win this case. The only thing is, Brady has nothing to lose. He can keep hammering away, hoping to inject a legal loophole (his lawyers will). If it gets too hot, he can always just drop it, and take what’s already there: 4 games.

  55. “straightfactshomie says:
    Aug 11, 2015 11:27 AM
    Question for anyone that believes McNally is the deflator because he steals the footballs and deflates them in the bathroom pregame:

    Where are the videos of McNally going into the bathroom prior to other home games? I would assume that a 4 month and 5 million dollar investigation looked at footage from the same camera that showed McNally going into the bathroom before the championship game. Do you think that Wells decided not to include this information in his report because he found out there are no other instances of McNally going into the bathroom? What other reason would there be to not include anything on this? We have been told for months that there is a scheme to deflate footballs pregame, and we have been told for months McNally ducked into the bathroom to deflate them. Umm wouldn’t these videos be a smoking gun if they existed? Wouldn’t an intelligent conclusion be that they don’t exist because McNally DOESN’T deflate the footballs pregame?

    11 3
    Report comment”

    Could the people that down-voted this comment please give me their theory here? I’m genuinely interested in what people that believe guilt have to say about it.

  56. The NFL presumed lower pressure meant cheating. They were so sure they had caught the Patriots red handed they leaked the story that night rather than nose around a little bit to see what was up. At that point the genie was out of the bottle. Everything that has transpired since was influenced by the NFL’s desire to save face.

    It’s still going on.

  57. .
    From a risk – reward standpoint, what does Brady really have to lose by going all in? He loses 4 games at the beginning of the season and money which he can easily afford.

    Many NFL players will miss four games or more this year . Perhaps having a pristine Brady starting the season in October would benefit the 38 year old QB?
    .

  58. h0c2000 says:
    Aug 11, 2015 10:46 AM

    Is Goodell smart enough to figure out the hey dumbass look is meant for him?
    ——————————–
    In a word…..NO!

  59. Where are the videos of McNally going into the bathroom prior to other home games?
    ===
    I thought that TWR said that the security footage overwrote itself periodically.

  60. The only sensible outcome of this whole manufactured debacle, would be a permanent ban on ex-Jets employees in the league office.

    They are the catalyst behind most of the problems in the NFL.

  61. Brady knows his fans would rather have him LOSE this procedural case and endure the injustice of sitting out 4 games than admit to something he didn’t do

    Goodell’s job is on the line just like last year when only 28% of NFL fans favored keeping him on the job given his awful response to Domestic Violence. He can’t back down even though he’s been caught LYING and FABRICATING a scandal.

    So no compromise

    Meanwhile, when are the owners going to look at their OWN bylaws and constitution?

    Article VIII of the NFL Constitution and Bylaws states that the Owners of the NFL “SHALL” employ a Commissioner with UNQUESTIONED INTEGRITY

    Not even the biggest Brady-hater can deny the PROOF that Goodell is a chronic liar.

    No proof of anything done by Brady – but PROOF that Goodell has NO INTEGRITY

    And if 31 owners do nothing, then THEY have no integrity either. Time to get the FBI to investigate the NFL and it’s owners just like they did with FIFA.

  62. kgun80 says:
    Aug 11, 2015 11:39 AM
    As much as I hate Brady and the Pats… The case looks like both sides have a point the NFL and Brady should just split the difference. Meet in the middle fine and a 1 maybe 2 game suspension. Sorry Pats fans but as good as the Pats are they have done some shady stuff from taping walkthroughs to Blount mysteriously walking out of practice in Pitt and ending up in NE.
    Facts are facts everyone outside of Massachusetts agrees that the Pats are shady and subverted the rules in one way or another..this team will forever be labeled*
    ________________________________________

    Facts are facts eh?

    Patriots never taped a walkthrough.

    Patriots legally video taped coaches on the side line from an illegal spot.

    Denver got caught video taping a practice in London and were fined less than the Patriots were fined.

    Blunt did not cut himself, the Steelers cut him. There is no possible way for the Patriots to force the Steelers into cutting someone.

    This is the kind of crap that muddies the hateraid.

  63. “Roger Goodell is a POSITIVE FORCE FOR CHANGE IN THE NFL!
    ——————————————————————-
    gametime201 says:
    Aug 11, 2015 11:22 AM
    Positive force for change? He has lied to and manipulated the media, tried to pass of a sham of a report he paid millions for as the independent gospel truth, only to walk away from it later – he even lied in the appeal ruling believing the transcripts would never be released – and you call that Positive change? ”

    Yeah, I do. Read the transcripts, gametime201, read the transcripts. Closely, not just what ESPN tweets.

  64. paulrevereshorse1775 says:
    Aug 11, 2015 11:22 AM

    ftblfan9 says:
    Aug 11, 2015 10:54 AM

    Here is the flaw: Goodell is better off with 31 teams having the decision overturned than he is materially compromising via a settlement.

    ———–

    I’m not so sure. I really don’t know, but it would seem a court decision in Brady’s favor could set some precedence on some issues that the NFL might not want.

    Brady can’t, do any worse than where he already is. If he loses, his punishment remains the same, he can still deny it. Regardless of whether he loses, wins or settles, there will always be some people that think he did something wrong.

    To me, the NFL risks losing more than Brady does.

    paulrevereshorse1775

    You make an interesting point, and of course no one really knows. However, it doesn’t appear that the Adrian Peterson suspension being overturned by the courts had any impact from a precedent standpoint, nor did the Rice suspension or Bountygate being overturned (although not by courts in the latter two cases).

    Also, you got a rare glimpse behind the curtain with the Ron Wolf comments. My bet is that his comments are the general consensus of the 31 other owners and teams.

    At the end of the day, the “process” was collectively bargained and the real change is more likely to come under the next CBA versus court precedent. I will say that so far, disclosure has not been the friend of the NFL. It seems they were really banking on documents being filed under seal and the light of day has really shown the NFL’s willingness to stretch the truth, and in the case of the appeal decision relative to Brady’s testimony, outright lie. Also, Wells’ defiant press conference where he vigorously defended his “independence” appears hollow now in light of the disclosures. So, this is long way of saying that the NFL has been hurt by the litigation that they filed, but in doing so, indicates that they are playing to “win” and for me that’s with the 31 other teams, creating a lack of incentive for Goodell to settle.

  65. Goodell and the NFL want this one bad. The tactics they used were a win at all costs, no matter what strategy. Media manipulation, lies, deceit, and defamation. it was scorched earth campaign…

    AND

    They are not giving in now… they can’t. They have to win this one. I am positive… if they loose and it comes back badly for them… Goodell is done. They have to clean house.

    Boy… do I hope Berman puts the heavy wood to the league because right is right and what was done to Patriots was wrong. Just plain wrong!!!

    and all over a few PSI in a football…. just mind numbing…

  66. It is so tiring for the East Coast to have 1-3 hours to comment on these stories before the rest of the country wakes up in the morning. It gives the false impression that the whole country is rooting for Brady.
    ===
    Almost 80% of the country lives in the Eastern and Central time zone. Nearly half lives in Eastern.

    The More You Know. (TM)

  67. @ Everybody I read (patriot fan or otherwise) should now realize the NFLeague don’t care and will act in an autonomous manner because we’ll keep watching. If they weren’t so certain, they wouldn’t act this way. I truly believe that Deflategate and Bountygate were trumped up, manufactured posturing. Who’s next? Watch out Steeler fans.

  68. I’m still amazed at how cavalierly Goodell dismissed Brady’s testimony. Brady testified under oath that he did nothing while the NFL asserts he conspired with at least two other men who must have knowledge that could prove Brady a felony perjurer.

    I can’t believe Brady would risk criminal prosecution and jail time in an effort to avoid a suspension. Lance Armstrong never did. He never took an a oath.

  69. Billionaire Owners, Multimillionaire Players, Billion dollar League. They’re all pissing it away while holding their breath and stamping their feet unless they get their way.

    I don’t think Goodell can earn as much as the commissioner of a fantasy league, I doubt Brady can earn as much QB’ing a CFL team and Kraft can go back to cheese.
    Quit screwing with America’s sport!

  70. hooded12 says:
    Aug 11, 2015 10:48 AM
    Trial By Combat!!!!!!!

    —————————-

    Indeed. Let Brady throw some balls at Goodell’s noggin, and let’s see if Goodell can tell if they are deflated or not.

  71. Even if Tom admits he personally deflated footballs, the rule infraction is still not within the players rulebook. The Patriots can be punished for deflating footballs, but the only thing the NFL has on Brady is failing to cooperate with an investigation, which has a precedent of a $50,000 fine (ala Brett Favre). Why would Brady settle for ANY suspension even if he is guilty?

  72. kgun80 says:
    Aug 11, 2015 11:39 AM

    Sorry Pats fans but as good as the Pats are they have done some shady stuff from taping walkthroughs to Blount mysteriously walking out of practice in Pitt and ending up in NE.

    ———————————

    A, they never taped a walkthrough, that was made up from day 1. B, there was nothing mysterious about Blount being very vocal that he felt he wasn’t getting played enough, so he got dropped (rightfully) for being a bad egg, then PASSED WAIVERS FOR EVERY SINGLE TEAM… at which point he signed with the Patriots again and Bill (presumably) explained in no uncertain terms what was gonna happen to him if he pulled that crap again.

  73. To kgun80

    You need to get your facts in order when commenting about shady activity on the part of the Patriots. First the Patriots did not tape a walk through, that story was retracted by the Boston Herald. That is the paper that broke the story and basically said, we got it wrong. The Patriots were fined and docked draft picks for taping defensive signals from the wrong place. That is spy gate.

    As for Blount. He was a Patriot the year before. He chose to go to Pittsburgh after that year for more $$ than the Pats wanted to pay him in free agency. He was a turd for the Steelers and then they cut him and he was placed on waivers. Any team with a worse record then the Pats could have picked up Blount. Remember last year the Pats had one of the best records in the league and would have lost the waiver claim if a team with a worse record wanted Blount. None did. That is not shady that is the process instituted by the league.

  74. To all Brady supporters: You say Brady won’t budge on a settlement because he will NOT accept any guilt over this mess the league has created.

    The league has indeed created this mess. The egg is all over their face on this. And no one can prove Brady did anything wrong. And even if they could, a suspension in this case would be unheard of.

    But Judge Berman is pushing the settlement… That means he is specifically looking at Brady’s camp to budge. The NFL surely would budge and accept a lesser punishment. But Brady won’t. Brady wants full exoneration. And so, Berman is looking at Brady because he won’t budge. Brady is the one preventing a settlement, not the NFL. And that works in the NFLs favor with the judge.

    I don’t think justice will be done this time. I think this one ends up with Judge Berman proving he is more powerful than the league and more powerful than the union. He is the angry parent separating the fighting children. Neither of them will get any ice cream after dinner.

  75. You Pats-homers have been claiming to have the upper-hand all the way through this process, despite the fact that it’s been downhill for Brady the whole time. I haven’t seen one cogent argument for a reduction in the suspension and I seriously doubt the judge will rule against the NFL. If anything, he’s letting Brady know “this is your last chance to cut a deal, whatever the NFL wants it to be”. He could have ruled for the NFL already.

    Now, I know there will be approximately 5 bazillion repetitive arguments regarding IGL, PSI, etc…all of which have long since been answered and none of which have any bearing at this point. So you can keep blathering to make yourselves feel better or you can start the long climb back to reality.

  76. Let’s put Goodell and the Golden Boy in a ring together and just let em have it out… Put some gloves on em and let em work it out the old-fashioned way.

  77. harrisonhits2 says:
    Aug 11, 2015 11:27 AM
    After he retired former NFL QB and pro bowl QB Jeff Blake said in a radio interview on Nashville 104.5 The Zone that he’d order ball boys to let the air out of his footballs before the start of the games during his entire NFL career.

    He played for the Jets, Bengals, Saints, Ravens, Cardinals and Bears

    “Cause when you take the balls out of the bag, they are rock hard. And you can’t feel the ball as well. It’s too hard.

    “Everybody puts the pin in and takes just enough air out of the ball that you can feel it a little better. But it’s not the point to where it’s flat. So I don’t know what the big deal is. It’s not something that’s not been done for 20 years.”
    _______________________________________

    It’s worth noting (in my opinion, at least) that Jeff Blake’s career ended after the 2005 season. That was before the NFL allowed quarterbacks to prepare their own footballs.

    Beginning with the 2007 season, quarterbacks and equipment managers were allowed to spend a week (or sometimes weeks) breaking in a ball so it would have the exact feel the quarterback wanted. Quarterbakcs no longer had to play with footballs right out of the box that many found hard to grip.

    Is it true what Jeff Blake is saying true? Did everyone do it? Maybe, maybe not. But now that quarterbacks can break in and approve their footballs before delivery to the game day officials, I suspect there is a lot less incentive to let air out of those footballs after the fact.

  78. citizenstrange says:
    Aug 11, 2015 11:47 AM

    Am I wrong on this? The hearing is not about whether Brady schemed to deflate the balls. We all know he did. Or is it about whether Brady lied and obstructed the investigation. Again, guilty on both counts.

    It is about whether Goodell has the power to suspend Brady.

    Which of course he does per the latest CBA.
    ———————————

    Since you asked, your second sentence is correct, but you are wrong about everything else.

    The correct answers to your misinformation is out there, if you really want to find it.

  79. Maybe the judge should rule that the other 31 teams get some sack and quit whining and complaining that the only reason the Patriots win is because they cheat. Let the QB’s of the 31 other teams do anything they want to their footballs and with the exception of a few genuinely good teams (GB, Baltimore, Seattle, Denver) those teams will continue to stink.

  80. eaglesw00t says:
    Aug 11, 2015 10:47 AM
    If Im Tom Brady, I laugh at Judge Berman.

    His goal is no suspension, and no admittance of guilt whatsoever.

    The NFL wants him suspended and fined, and the Patriots giving up a first round pick, even if there is no proof of any wrongdoing. Even if no wrongdoing ever happened (according to the Ideal Gas Law)

    So what exactly is Tom Brady supposed to budge on? He wants complete exoneration. The NFL is not budging on that, even though there is no proof any of the balls were even deflated. What exactly are they supposed to discuss? The NFL is wrong. Goodell is on a witch hunt and doesnt care that he is assassinating Tom Bradys name and character completely.
    ====================================
    Brady may have to admit lack of cooperation and be willing to be fined. That should be his line in the sand.

  81. seahawkboymike says:
    Aug 11, 2015 11:46 AM
    The judge has no legal jurisdiction to decide if Brady is guilty (clearly he is).

    —————–

    Mike,

    You still crying ‘bro?

  82. I don’t know about the ‘like always’ comment about beating the Jets. I seem to remember a playoff game when they were 13-3. All the principals were there. Kraft..Belichick…Brady. Hang out here and it’s like that game never happened

  83. According to reports, Brady and the NFLPA have made an offer, Brady will pay a fine for not cooperating and will NOT admit to any guilt. Goodell has publicly said that he will not negotiate, he’s going to see this through to the end. Judge Berman may say,” one side has an offer on the table, the other side does not. I will go with the side that has an offer. Would anyone like to rethink their decision? No; okay then. Mr. Brady will not admit any guilt in this matter and he will pay a small fine. Have a nice day.”

  84. Judge Berman’s should proceed as follows:

    Short version:

    Mr. Goodell and Mr. Wells,

    Will you please provide me forthwith with your personal and business phones, text messages and emails and those of all the persons who worked on the Brady matter so I can ascertain whether you have violated the CBA, committed a fraud on this Court and defamed Mr. Brady?

    Thank you. I will see you back in Court on August 19.

    Long version:

    Mr. Goodell, is it correct that the NFL had not idea about Ideal Gas Law when they started this investigation and measured the footballs?

    Mr. Goodell, you did not record the PSI measurements, the temperature in the room, the sequence and time of the measurements, and how wet the balls were?

    Mr. Goodell, you leaked false information and then refused to correct the leaks when the Patriots told you their brand was being tarnished?

    Mr. Goodell, is it correct that after months of publicly announcing that Mr. Wells was an independent investigator you are now arguing to me that he was not?

    Mr. Goodell, you refused to provide Mr. Brady copies of the witness interviews and other records underlying the Wells Report so he could defend himself, limited the time he had to present evidence, had Mr. Wells’ partner who wrote the report question Mr. Brady, gave Mr. Brady no notice of the penalty he was facing and you want me to rule the proceedings were fundamentally fair?

    Mr. Wells, did you allow the NFL to edit your report before it was published but held a press conference at which you railed against those accusing you of not having been independent?

    Mr. Wells you rejected the “best recollection” of Referee Anderson who told you that he had used the Logo-gauge to measure the balls before the game?

    Mr. Wells you rejected the testimony of Doritot Dink, Mr. Jastremski, the Patriots equipment manager, and Mr. Brady but accepted the junk science of Exponent Inc?

    Oh never mind, don’t anwer that. Mr. Brady’s appeal is granted. Get out of my courtroom and don’t come back.

    Now that the case is over, Mr. Brady may I have my picture taken with you and your 4 rings? Good luck sir, you are the Greatest of all time.

  85. A simple fact for all.

    NOT ONE Patriot fan would be defending Tom Brady right now if there was any tangible reason to believe he is a cheat or ever was a cheat.

    Not me, not anybody.

    Not. One.

    #NeverSaidYouHadToLikeFactsButFactsAreStillFacts
    #innocent
    #Yup
    #YesHeIs

    🙂

  86. “RegisHawk says:
    Aug 11, 2015 12:16 PM
    You Pats-homers have been claiming to have the upper-hand all the way through this process, despite the fact that it’s been downhill for Brady the whole time. I haven’t seen one cogent argument for a reduction in the suspension and I seriously doubt the judge will rule against the NFL. If anything, he’s letting Brady know “this is your last chance to cut a deal, whatever the NFL wants it to be”. He could have ruled for the NFL already.

    Now, I know there will be approximately 5 bazillion repetitive arguments regarding IGL, PSI, etc…all of which have long since been answered and none of which have any bearing at this point. So you can keep blathering to make yourselves feel better or you can start the long climb back to reality.”

    The ideal gas law has long since been answered? On the contrary, I haven’t seen one hater touch the fact that the balls were proven to be deflated naturally.

  87. nhpats says:
    Aug 11, 2015 12:25 PM
    Maybe the judge should rule that the other 31 teams get some sack and quit whining and complaining that the only reason the Patriots win is because they cheat.
    ———
    It’s not the only reason. Barry Bonds was an elite player without cheating.

  88. Judge Berman’s pic reminds me of the late Fred Gwynne, aka Herman Munster…
    ===
    That’s because the pic….
    Forget it…

  89. smasonsmith says: Aug 11, 2015 12:06 PM

    It is so tiring for the East Coast to have 1-3 hours to comment on these stories before the rest of the country wakes up in the morning. It gives the false impression that the whole country is rooting for Brady.
    ===
    Almost 80% of the country lives in the Eastern and Central time zone. Nearly half lives in Eastern.

    The More You Know. (TM)

    ____________

    I do live in Boston but need I point out that 3 hrs south is NYC …Just west is NJ and PA and just south of that is MD and DC… I think I made my point.

    The more you know (TM)

  90. straightfactshomie says:
    Aug 11, 2015 11:27 AM

    Question for anyone that believes McNally is the deflator because he steals the footballs and deflates them in the bathroom pregame:

    Where are the videos of McNally going into the bathroom prior to other home games? I would assume that a 4 month and 5 million dollar investigation looked at footage from the same camera that showed McNally going into the bathroom before the championship game. Do you think that Wells decided not to include this information in his report because he found out there are no other instances of McNally going into the bathroom? What other reason would there be to not include anything on this? We have been told for months that there is a scheme to deflate footballs pregame, and we have been told for months McNally ducked into the bathroom to deflate them. Umm wouldn’t these videos be a smoking gun if they existed? Wouldn’t an intelligent conclusion be that they don’t exist because McNally DOESN’T deflate the footballs pregame?
    —————————

    You see, that’s where you lose the NFL and the Hater Faithful.

  91. The Blount conspiracy shows how dumb most Patriot haters are.

    He was waived, any team could have claimed him on their team. NONE did.

    Then and only then did the Patriots sign him to a 2 year deal.

  92. It is disgusting that the league’s story keeps changing and changing.

    This hearing is supposedly about the fairness and CBA-compliance of the NFL’s investigation, Goodell’s fine, and the appeal by Goodell.

    Thus the fairness of these issues should be based upon the reasoning that Goodell gave at the time, not some new spin that is being retroactively applied to the previous ruling.

    The NFL can’t get away with this sleaze, can they?

  93. I don’t know about the ‘like always’ comment about beating the Jets. I seem to remember a playoff game when they were 13-3. All the principals were there. Kraft..Belichick…Brady. Hang out here and it’s like that game never happened
    ===
    It’s probably because you’ve been through three (or more?) quarterbacks and two coaches since then.

  94. I’m not sure about Judge Berman, but considering the fact that he wants a compromise/settlement, and considering the fact that the NFL has already shown a willingness to compromise/settle while Brady has been intransigent when it comes to compromising/settling, I seriously doubt that Judge Berman will be giving the scowling look at Goodell. We’ll see.

  95. Other than intentional trolling, I can’t fathom how anyone can still be on Goodell’s side on this one.

    Have you read the transcript of the appeal? Specifically when Kessler was interviewing Wells?

    Wells states that he believes that Jastremski was being truthful in his texts when he stated that Brady wanted the footballs set to 13 PSI and that this would not be a deflation since it is within the legal limit.

    Case closed.

  96. ReligionIsForIdiots says:
    Aug 11, 2015 10:40 AM

    Should give him a settlement of 16 games and forfeiture of tainted SB trophies, which means all of them.

    ==========================

    You must be a deeply religious person.

  97. seahawkboymike says:
    Aug 11, 2015 11:46 AM
    The judge has no legal jurisdiction to decide if Brady is guilty (clearly he is).

    —–

    (:26) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right intended for R.Lockette INTERCEPTED by M.Butler at NE -1. M.Butler to NE 2 for 3 yards (R. Lockette)

    U still mad bro? 🙂

  98. citizenstrange says:
    Aug 11, 2015 11:47 AM
    Am I wrong on this? The hearing is not about whether Brady schemed to deflate the balls. We all know he did. Or is it about whether Brady lied and obstructed the investigation. Again, guilty on both counts.

    It is about whether Goodell has the power to suspend Brady.

    Which of course he does per the latest CBA.

    —-
    1- The NFLPA’s contention is that Goodell does not have the power under the CBA; that Goodell has circumvented the CBA and is capriciously issuing draconian punishments without precedent and with no merit.
    2-The CBA is NOT the be all and end all. The judge will look at the CBA, at US labor law and common shop law as well as that little thing we like to call the Constitution.
    3-Article 46 does not give Goodell absolute power (which he seems to believe it does) to issue whatever punishment he wants on any conduct he decides to be detrimental to the integrity of the league. There are still those pesky little facts that have to be dealt with.
    4-The only people who have conducted themselves in ways detrimental to the integrity of the league….are those who work in the NFL front office.
    5-Judge Berman is known to be an independent and fair judge who is an admitted news junkie and knows full well the facts (the leaks, the lies) surrounding this case. Berman is known for getting to the real facts of the case and making common sense judgements. Judges have a great deal of latitude in thier courtrooms. In other words, the NFL thought they were getting an edge by filing in NY and getting the home field advantage…they should have been careful of what they wished for because they got a judge who doesn’t believe in sealed documents, who believes that the public has a right to transparency….and we all know that’s the last thing the NFL ever wants!

  99. mrmcdougle says:
    Aug 11, 2015 12:35 PM
    nhpats says:
    Aug 11, 2015 12:25 PM
    Maybe the judge should rule that the other 31 teams get some sack and quit whining and complaining that the only reason the Patriots win is because they cheat.
    ———
    It’s not the only reason. Barry Bonds was an elite player without cheating.

    —————
    Can you please enumerate the list of how the Pats have “cheated” over the years?

  100. One more question for the long version:

    Mr. Goodell presided over an appeal where Mr. Brady testified under oath that in the days after the Colts-Patriots game, after your office leaked false information about the PSI of the footballs, he spoke to Mr. Jastremski about the deflation allegations and about preparing the footballs for the Superbowl. Mr. Brady testifed under oath in front of you that he was concerned that Mr. Jastresmki had never dealt with either of those things.

    After that, you issued a press release that Mr. Brady had testified that he only spoke to Mr. Jastremski about the preparation of balls for the Superbowl. And as a result you were upholding the 4-game suspension. You equated Mr. Brady to someone who uses PEDs. You stated that he had obstructed the investigation even though he presented you with all his phone company records that confirmed that you had all the texts sent to or received from Patriots employees and he also gave you all his emails.

    And then you had your lawyers walk over here to ask this Court to affirm your decision?

    You lied Sir, do you understand that? You lied and claimed that Mr. Brady was no better than someone who takes PEDs and that his conducted affected the integrity of the game. You understand that your intentional lies hurt Mr. Brady’s professional reputation and his livelihood?

    And you want this Court to give your lies an imprimatur?

    Have you no shame?

    I’ll give you until next August 19 to answer those last two questions.

    Have a good day Ladies and Gentlemen. See you next week.

  101. NO CHANCE of the suspension being vacated. If the NFL is feeling generous, maybe a reduction to 2 games. I think brady would rather take 4 games, not settling and losing, than accept 2 games.

    The law and CBA terms 100% support the NFL. Anyone with a clue knows that.

  102. This is impossible. Brady will never move from his stance. And if he does will be branded a liar.

    The judges decision will also not be accepted. And will be appealed.

    We are in for a long haul.

  103. slvrkng says:Aug 11, 2015 12:20 PM

    Judge Berman’s pic reminds me of the late Fred Gwynne, aka Herman Munster…

    —————

    Can’t tell if you’re joking or not, but FYI, that IS Fred Gwynne…it’s his character Judge Chamberlainfrom “My Cousin Vinny”.

  104. Kgun80 says:

    Sorry Pats fans but as good as the Pats are they have done some shady stuff from taping walkthroughs to Blount mysteriously walking out of practice in Pitt and ending up in NE.

    —-

    Um they never taped walk-throughs. That story was blown out of proportion and was never true; the Boston Herald who originally reported it later retracted it and the report apologized. They never taped walk-throughs (this is why the media and any accusation is so powerful – everyone reads the headlines, thinks it’s true and then never sees the retraction because nobody reports on it. It’s really a sad statement of our society.)

    Blount cleared waivers meaning EVERY SINGLE TEAM had a chance to claim him, since the Patriots were one of the best teams at that time, they would have been one of the last teams to be able to claim him. And it was only after he cleared waivers that the Pats picked him up. You’re really stretching here.

  105. Marshawn Lunch says:
    Aug 11, 2015 12:16 PM
    To all Brady supporters: You say Brady won’t budge on a settlement because he will NOT accept any guilt over this mess the league has created.

    The league has indeed created this mess. The egg is all over their face on this. And no one can prove Brady did anything wrong. And even if they could, a suspension in this case would be unheard of.

    But Judge Berman is pushing the settlement… That means he is specifically looking at Brady’s camp to budge. The NFL surely would budge and accept a lesser punishment. But Brady won’t. Brady wants full exoneration. And so, Berman is looking at Brady because he won’t budge. Brady is the one preventing a settlement, not the NFL. And that works in the NFLs favor with the judge.

    I don’t think justice will be done this time. I think this one ends up with Judge Berman proving he is more powerful than the league and more powerful than the union. He is the angry parent separating the fighting children. Neither of them will get any ice cream after dinner.

    —–
    The NFLPA and Brady are the ones with an settlement offer on the table, the NFL (via Goodell’s statement the other night saying there would not be a reduction) is the side with no offer……..so who is the judge talking to?

  106. For NH Pats if you bother to look.

    In the late 1980’s the Pats were penalized draft picks for illegally (cheating) using the Injury reports to gain a competitive advantage.

    Do I need to educate you on Spygate where the Pats illegally taped Jets signals (cheated) and then the same NFL you are beating up, hid the evidence from the rest of the league to protect the Pats from more serious repercussions. The Pats won the Super Bowl that year *

    Do I need to educate you about deflategate where members of the Pats staff, illegally removed balls from the refs room, disappeared behind some closed door and the pressure in the footballs mysteriously changed. I agree with the NFL that the Pats were trying to gain a competitive advantage (cheat) they won the super bowl that year. *

    To 31 fan bases this constitutes a culture of cheating. No other team has been found guilty so many times in the history of the game for trying to gain a competitive advantage by cheating. That’s not even to mention the times they bend the rules and the rules committee then outlaws what they have done the following year. Call them what you want, but history has and will show the Patriots organization will forever be embroiled in controversy because they choose to push the limits and in doing so have crossed the line and are now on the side of the line that the cheaters are on.

  107. Way back when Belichick referred to Mona Lisa Vito (Marisa Tomei, won the Oscar) he was belittling the NFL case and it sailed over the heads of most of the media folks, except of course Mike Florio. This is kinda the same way Belichick’s gameplans sail over the heads of the NFL. We can assume (a) it flew over the heads of the NFL suits or (b) the backhanded reference really pissed them off. Based on what I am seeing I’d go with (a). Fred Gwynn played the judge and he was perfect. Joe Pesci is referring to his clients in his best NY street lingo. The judge says “did you say youts?”. Hilarious you tube video, under rated movie. They had no case against the youts and the NFL has “nuttin” on the Pats. Belichick is always one step ahead. I know that pisses off the other 31 teams but life isn’t always fair. Mona Lisa Vito is an all time Belichickean classic. Savor it, or stay pissed off as long as he is in the league. Your choice.

  108. sbaltimore says:
    Aug 11, 2015 12:41 PM

    I’m not sure about Judge Berman, but considering the fact that he wants a compromise/settlement, and considering the fact that the NFL has already shown a willingness to compromise/settle while Brady has been intransigent when it comes to compromising/settling, I seriously doubt that Judge Berman will be giving the scowling look at Goodell. We’ll see.
    ——————————–

    Why are 99% of the Hater Faithful comments always completely opposite of the truth?

    The NFLPA/Brady offered Emperor Goodell a way out of this mess with a settlement offer, but he chose to disregard it.

    Emperor Goodell has shown no signs of compromise or moving towards a reasonable settlement.

  109. I do live in Boston but need I point out that 3 hrs south is NYC …Just west is NJ and PA and just south of that is MD and DC… I think I made my point.
    ==
    So what? The OP was complaining about easterners getting all the first posts, not Northeasterners. Besides… All those places have NEP fans too. DC especially, because the Redskins are terrible, nobody wants to associate with Ravens fans, and there are a ton of NE transplants or people who passed through there before coming here.

    More to the point though: I was pointing out that the OP was complaining about the sun rising in the east.

  110. slvrkng says:
    Aug 11, 2015 12:20 PM
    Judge Berman’s pic reminds me of the late Fred Gwynne, aka Herman Munster…
    Uh, if you are thinking the picture accompanying this article is Judge Berman, you are wrong. That’s a picture of the Judge from the movie “My Cousin Vinnie”.

  111. The Foolish say “I Trust Goodell – he would never lie”.
    The Naïve says “US Constitution? Due Process? – What’s that mean?”
    The Arrogant says “Science? Don’t talk to me about Science!
    The Unjust says “If I can’t beat them on the field – Slander, Lie and have the News Media on my side.”
    The Lawyer says “$5million – count me in”
    The LIAR says “No Sting Operation” – “Independent Impartial Investigation” – “The Phone was required”

    What do you say?

  112. But Judge Berman is pushing the settlement… That means he is specifically looking at Brady’s camp to budge.


    Why would anybody think that? Brady’s side has at least made an offer. The NFL ignored it.

    Judge Berman doesn’t want a ruling because the likely outcome would entail instructing the NFL to appoint a new arbitrator. And that would mean that we’d have to endure six more months of this nonsense – even after the NFL filed (and lost) an appeal of the ruling.

    A settlement would finish this, now. But Goodell has had ample opportunities to show at least a nodding acceptance of the existence of reason, but he continues to firmly stand by the fiction that Brady and the Patriots did something wrong.

    Judge Berman may well be warning the NFL that he finds their position ridiculous. We really have no idea of what his instruction really “means”. That will likely depend on what is said in chambers.

    Personally, I doubt this will be resolved by any kind of mediation. Unless Goodell gets 20 or more phone calls from ownership groups telling him to end this nonsense already, he’ll keep playing this out.

    Dweebs like Ron Wolf aren’t helping things any.

  113. gametime201 says:
    Aug 11, 2015 11:08 AM
    Enough troup-think:

    Roger Goodell is a POSITIVE FORCE FOR CHANGE IN THE NFL! Leading it tough, just ask Jack Welch. Some feelings get hurt when you change an org’s culture. Tom Brady and all the others should get over it and get in line!

    ——————————————————————-
    Positive force for change? He has lied to and manipulated the media, tried to pass of a sham of a report he paid millions for as the independent gospel truth, only to walk away from it later – he even lied in the appeal ruling believing the transcripts would never be released – and you call that Positive change?

    He is a spiteful manipulative lying little man that is ruining the sport so many of us love – just to maintain power and control….He needs to leave. Now.
    ================================
    I agree that Badell must GO YESTERDAY!! There is so little that this man has done to help football!! He has bungled a lot and outright lied in other situations. His smearing of a player and a team is one of the lowest things ANY commissioner has done in a lifetime!!! hhh…and while he proclaimed that the rules apply to everyone, it UST be noted that Goodell REFUSED to turn over his phone in the Rice Case!!! Sorry….HE must be GONE!!!

  114. STILLlolatpatshaters says:
    Aug 11, 2015 12:49 PM

    NFL has already shown a willingness to compromise/settle

    They have?

    __

    Yeah. They have:

    “Pro Football Talk, which last week was the first to report that the NFL and NFLPA engaged in settlement talks (a fact since confirmed by Brady), now reports that the NFL was ready to cut Brady’s four-game suspension to just one or two games.”

  115. Speaking of taping walkthroughs… there was a NY Times report (google it) of a mystery telescope being spotted above the field where the Patriots were practicing before that Rams Super Bowl. League officials saw it and it disappeared and didn’t come back.

    #HMMM
    #IsntThatInteresting
    #RamsClearlyCheatedAndStillLost

  116. For NH Pats if you bother to look.

    In the late 1980’s the Pats were penalized draft picks for illegally (cheating) using the Injury reports to gain a competitive advantage.

    Do I need to educate you on Spygate where the Pats illegally taped Jets signals (cheated) and then the same NFL you are beating up, hid the evidence from the rest of the league to protect the Pats from more serious repercussions. The Pats won the Super Bowl that year *

    Do I need to educate you about deflategate where members of the Pats staff, illegally removed balls from the refs room, disappeared behind some closed door and the pressure in the footballs mysteriously changed. I agree with the NFL that the Pats were trying to gain a competitive advantage (cheat) they won the super bowl that year. *

    To 31 fan bases this constitutes a culture of cheating. No other team has been found guilty so many times in the history of the game for trying to gain a competitive advantage by cheating. That’s not even to mention the times they bend the rules and the rules committee then outlaws what they have done the following year. Call them what you want, but history has and will show the Patriots organization will forever be embroiled in controversy because they choose to push the limits and in doing so have crossed the line and are now on the side of the line that the cheaters are on.

    ———–

    So given that BB and Brady were not around in “the late 80s” and Kraft did not yet own the team, we can exonerate them for these transgressions.

    Spygate was an overblow scandal about where taping was performed on the field during the 1st quarter of the 1st game of the 1st season it was illegal.

    Deflategate has not even been proved to occur as the scientific evidence supports no finding that anyone illegally deflated footballs. In fact, much of the basis for assuming “deflategate” occurred is this alleged “culture of cheating” that fans like yourself claim exist. And yet as you have shown this “culture of cheating” can be distilled down to a single inconsequential incident (for which the Pats admitted) during a single quarter of a single game in 2007. Calling it a “culture of cheating” sounds pretty ridiculous wouldn’t you say?

  117. nhpats says:
    Aug 11, 2015 12:28 PM

    seahawkboymike says:
    Aug 11, 2015 11:46 AM
    The judge has no legal jurisdiction to decide if Brady is guilty (clearly he is).

    —————–

    Mike,

    You still crying ‘bro?


    I bet Sherman and Brunell are!

    LOL!!! LOL. LOLOLOL. LOL!!! LOL!!!!!! LOL! LOL. LOL!!!!!

    🙂

  118. I would never patronize, with my hard earned dollars, an organization that I knew was as corrupt and morally bankrupt as the NFL League Office. Unless the 32 NFL owners seize control of this, wipe out the current “leadership,” and start fresh, I may be turning off my TV set this Fall.

  119. Tom Brady is clearly the greatest QB that ever graced an NFL football field.

    All intelligent football fans in existence feel privileged and fortunate that we are able to witness such historical greatness by a professional athlete in our era.

    🙂

  120. xinellum says:
    Aug 11, 2015 1:01 PM
    For NH Pats if you bother to look.

    No other team has been found guilty so many times in the history of the game for trying to gain a competitive advantage by cheating.

    _________________________________________

    This is objectively false. Every NFL team gets caught cheating, sometimes over the course of years or months. You can argue that the severity of those violations by the Pats were more severe/malicious, but the Jets deflate footballs, the Falcons pump in crowd noise, the Chargers heat up footballs, everyone uses steroids, etc.

    Also, if you are paying attention, you might agree that the Pats were clearly targeted by the NFL for this rules violation. No other team’s footballs have ever been checked at halftime so how do you know other teams don’t cheat this rule? By the NFL’s logic (and rule), the Colts balls were also underinflated but there was no investigation whatsoever.

    Goodell’s recent quote was that “rules apply to everyone” implying that the Pats think they’re above the law, but in fact the Pats are the only organization on which this rule was ever enforced.

  121. To 31 fan bases this constitutes a culture of cheating. No other team has been found guilty so many times in the history of the game for trying to gain a competitive advantage by cheating.
    ===

    You listed one thing that was at least 25 years ago, one that was a technical dispute over filming locations, and a third where data indicates nothing at all happened.

    Good Job! You get a gold star for effort!

  122. “Pro Football Talk, which last week was the first to report that the NFL and NFLPA engaged in settlement talks (a fact since confirmed by Brady), now reports that the NFL was ready to cut Brady’s four-game suspension to just one or two games.”

    —-
    I guess someone didn’t tell that to Goodell himself.

    Sure sounds to me like he wants to drive this 4 game train all the way even if it’s through a brick wall….

  123. mrmcdougle says:
    Aug 11, 2015 11:08 AM

    artvan15 says:
    Aug 11, 2015 10:53 AM
    NFL better settle…give Brady the $25,000 fine and be done with it.
    ————-

    Why? The NFL is in the position of strength. Brady’s appeal is a long shot. That’s why they didn’t budge on the appeal.
    ———————–

    Get with it, man. Brady already lost his appeal.

    This case is about whether or not Emperor Goodell correctly applied punishment, which he obviously didn’t.

  124. Yeah. They have:

    “Pro Football Talk, which last week was the first to report that the NFL and NFLPA engaged in settlement talks (a fact since confirmed by Brady), now reports that the NFL was ready to cut Brady’s four-game suspension to just one or two games.”
    ===
    You got that from Deadspin, right?

    That would have also required an admission of guilt from TB. That’s a giant nope-burger, right there, before you even get to the number of games.

  125. Spygate was an overblow scandal about where taping was performed on the field during the 1st quarter of the 1st game of the 1st season it was illegal.


    Spygate was not cheating in any way shape or form.

    The rule said taping can’t be done if the information obtained is used in game. It wasn’t used in game. Therefore, the Patriots did nothing wrong by rule. Period.

    Oh that wasn’t the spirit of the rule? That was not the Patriots problem that was the league’s. Too bad Goodell thinks rules mean what His Majesty says they mean not what they say.

    #WhatACrock

  126. Total exoneration is an offer from Boneheaddy? What is wrong with these ppl? How do they function a normal day?

  127. STILLlolatpatshaters says:
    Aug 11, 2015 1:25 PM

    “Pro Football Talk, which last week was the first to report that the NFL and NFLPA engaged in settlement talks (a fact since confirmed by Brady), now reports that the NFL was ready to cut Brady’s four-game suspension to just one or two games.”

    —-
    I guess someone didn’t tell that to Goodell himself.

    Sure sounds to me like he wants to drive this 4 game train all the way even if it’s through a brick wall….
    __

    As others have already pointed out…even when Pats fans are presented with clear, unequivocal truth, they STILL live in a state of constant denial. Thanks for proving the point.

  128. Here is what I think happens: Neither side compromises. Berman rules that the NFL violated its own CBA and vacates the NFL ruling. Everything get kicked back t arbitration with a twist. The NFL does not get to appoint the arbitrator on the basis of previous violations of the CBA so Berman appoints a new and neutral arbitrator. Said arbitrator is given the authority to conduct new interviews and subpoena testimony. He calls on Jastremski and McNally. He calls on Wells, Vincent, Goodell, Pash, Irsay, Bisciotti, and multiple owners like Jones and Mara who have weighed in on the matter and might have influenced the commissioners behavior. The owners panic before testifying and order Goodell to capitulate. In exchange for waiving a second defamation suit Goodell publicly apologizes and rescinds the penalties leveled against the Patriots. Framegate over.

  129. Goodell’s intransigence can’t be playing well with the judge. Brady offered to settle on appeal and Goodell ignored it(admittedly, Brady probably didn’t offer much). Also, the way things are usually done on suspensions is the league oversuspends and reduces it on appeal. Goodell refused to budge on that as well, further making it look like he’s biased in the case. Goodell’s history of oversuspending players, and then having the suspensions overturned has got to come into play as well. Starting to think there’s no middle ground for a settlement and the judge vacates the suspension and throws it back to the NFL to be heard by a truly independend arbitor. In that case, Brady blows him up.

  130. Judge Berman is staring down Goodell at this point by pushing for a settlement.

    How do I know? – Logic 101 – very simple

    Goodell REFUSED to budge in his fake Arbitration Hearing, Goodell REFUSED to budge after the Judge told the NFL – No Closed Transcripts. The Open Transcripts are the NFL “Caught in the Headlights” undoing.

    Brady has NOTHING to lose at this point. Evidence is all in his favor and he is willing to accept a fine and move on to Game Day Opener.

    Brady will be playing Game 1 vs the Steelers.

  131. sbaltimore says:
    Aug 11, 2015 1:16 PM

    STILLlolatpatshaters says:
    Aug 11, 2015 12:49 PM

    NFL has already shown a willingness to compromise/settle

    They have?

    __

    Yeah. They have:

    “Pro Football Talk, which last week was the first to report that the NFL and NFLPA engaged in settlement talks (a fact since confirmed by Brady), now reports that the NFL was ready to cut Brady’s four-game suspension to just one or two games.”
    ————–

    Was that the one where Tom Brady had to admit guilt, throw Jastremski and McNally under the bus, and still be suspended?

    If so, that wasn’t a serious settlement offer.

  132. No one is going to send this mess back to some neutral arbitrator.

    If the NFL and the NFLPA/Brady can’t reach a settlement, Judge Berman is going to settle it for them, and one side isn’t going to like it.

  133. ‘Great young man’ Tom,
    You guys always Cheat to win the games, and Whine, when get caught. So ‘accept that u cheated, otherwise u’ll never even see the door of Hall of Fame (even as a visitor)’

    Thanks
    Roger (thank God, atleast one time I’m confident of winning a case)

  134. The owners panic before testifying and order Goodell to capitulate. In exchange for waiving a second defamation suit Goodell publicly apologizes and rescinds the penalties leveled against the Patriots. Framegate over.

    —–
    And the end game from that is Goodell is forced OUT.

    He has to be.

  135. As others have already pointed out…even when Pats fans are presented with clear, unequivocal truth, they STILL live in a state of constant denial. Thanks for proving the point.

    —-
    I’m afraid what you are calling the clear unequivocal truth just isn’t so. 🙂

  136. As others have already pointed out…even when Pats fans are presented with clear, unequivocal truth, they STILL live in a state of constant denial. Thanks for proving the point.
    ===
    As I and others (mmack06 for one) have pointed out, that “offer” required an admission of guilt by Brady and testimony on the activities of JJ and JM of sufficient truthiness.

    That is to say: it wasn’t a good faith offer.

  137. Was that the one where Tom Brady had to admit guilt, throw Jastremski and McNally under the bus, and still be suspended?

    If so, that wasn’t a serious settlement offer.

    —-
    Of course it wasn’t. Laughable to think otherwise.

  138. Brady is innocent of what he’s accused of doing. That is indisputable and a stone cold fact. 🙂

    Kinda pointless to argue against what is fact. 🙂

    #FactsAreFacts
    #TruthIsTruth
    #TruthHurts
    #PatriotHaterCantHandleTheTruth

  139. Have the vast majority of PFT readers and commenters completely MISSED the stories here that showed that Goodell is a PROVEN LIAR who fabricated this scandal from the start?

    Have they missed the fact that there was NO deflation beyond what the laws of physics predict – EVEN if you accept Wells and Goodell’s warped logic that Walt Anderson has an IMPECCABLE memory when it comes to remembering PSI he failed to record… but lost his memory completely when it came to which gauge he used?

    NOTHING HAPPENED (unless Brady somehow RE-INFLATED the footballs before the halftime testing) – and yet the majority of PFT readers act like they’re unaware of all of these developments

  140. There is supposed to be at least a small shred of fairness in the investigation and appeal hearing from the judge, jury and executioner, right??

    If I’m the Brady team, I simply hand the judge the emails the Patriots released from the team and Jeff Pash.
    That’s really all it should take to end this.

  141. what a farce

    the golden boy cheated..probably his whole career…his legacy will never be the same

  142. The judge can even give the dumbass look to Bradys team and want them to settle, but they wont, even knowing the judge could find against them and they still wont admit guilt and just appeal the decision, Brady plays in the meantime.

    Doubt it will come down to that, but if it does, brady still plays.

  143. So many lawyers. So many who know exactly what’s going to happen. I would love to have the access to the league offices that most here enjoy.

  144. I love that people think a 50 year old fat guy can go into a bathroom, not knowing he’s being timed and deflate 11-12 footballs to the exact specs that would be predicted by the Ideal Gas Law, yet a team of refs could only measure 3-4 of the Colts footballs in 20 minutes because they didnt have the time.

  145. Roger,

    Let’s settle this. Here is my offer. You fire Pash, Vincent & Kensil. The NFL is never allowed to use Ted Wells firm in an investigation again. You hold a press conference where you publicly exonerate me and the Patriots of all wrong doing. You remove my suspension and you reinstate the Patriots draft picks. At the end of your statement you will resign. In return, I will not file a multi-million dollar defamation lawsuit against you and the NFL. I will also do my best to make sure Patriots fans do not burn your vacation home to the ground. Do we have a deal?

    Extorsion and threats are all the Patriots got.

  146. Don’t forget! 🙂

    The courts have already ruled on how infallible the commissioner arbitrator/discipline clause in the CBA (Article 46) really is.

    More than once.

    And not in the NFL’s favor.

    🙂

  147. People dont mention this much, but when Goodell decided he wanted the phone and claimed after the appeal that was the reason he was upholding the punishment, he committed employer fraud since he and Wells had told him prior that it was not needed.

  148. Judge Berman also said that he will “meet briefly” with the parties in the “robing room” before Wednesday’s hearing
    ======

    Never hear of a ‘robing room’ before.
    I’m intrigued. I’d like to know more about what goes on in a robing room.

    Do they parties think “Oh no! Not the robing room!”
    Or
    “Yes! The robing room!”

    By the way, that was an excellent, informative article for those of us (like me) who have no idea about the procedures in a case like this.

  149. Here is the outcome.

    BRady 1 or 2 games, fault

    NFL Judge recommending Power adjustment to Roger Goodell’s arb power

  150. BRady 1 or 2 games, fault

    NFL Judge recommending Power adjustment to Roger Goodell’s arb power
    ===
    Contradiction: The judge only gets a say if the case doesn’t settle, and Brady only gets two games if it does.

    Thus, those outcomes can’t happen at the same time from this proceeding.

  151. This may be the “robing room for the judge, but it will be the Dis-robing room for Goodell and he knows it!
    He will Not sleep well tonight, and after his dis-robing session he will hardly sleep at all until the NFL finally completes his embarrassing and inevitable termination!
    I’d say this if any quarterback in the league were in the same situation… Unnecessary and ridiculous circus act. Make it stop!

  152. Brady does not want this to go to trial. During the trial of Ex-Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick in Detroit they were able to retrieve text message that were deleted going back years. If this goes to trial, I am assuming the NFL would do the same. I really doubt Brady wants people to see those texts. It is logical to believe, due to the un-importance of the game he was caught, that was not the first incident.

  153. hairpie2 says:
    Aug 11, 2015 3:38 PM

    People dont mention this much, but when Goodell decided he wanted the phone and claimed after the appeal that was the reason he was upholding the punishment, he committed employer fraud since he and Wells had told him prior that it was not needed.
    ————————————

    Emperor Goodell likely didn’t want the phone, but the contents of the phone.

    His problem is that he rendered the original decision without the phone, and claimed he upheld the decision based upon the “destruction” of the phone.

    Regardless, the phone is nothing more than a distraction, to lead people away from the fact that there is a total lack of incriminating evidence in the case.

    Years down the road, this debacle is going to be in textbooks, as an example of how not to run a sting and subsequent investigation.

    Everything they could have done wrong, they did wrong.

  154. accounting for the Ideal Gas Law, the Deflator actually went into the bathroom, let air out of three balls, added air to 4 balls, and left the other five alone.

    This should be called InflateGate, since he inflated more balls than he deflated

  155. The minute that the league’s “brain trust” learned that weather conditions have an effect on the measured PSI level of a football, they should have ceased all activities related to *Framegate.

    The fact that they didn’t, proves that this whole sordid affair was nothing more than a witch-hunt from the beginning.

  156. There will be no settlement. Brady’s defense is basically it’s not a player violation and even if it was, I still can’t be punished for it because I didn’t know what the punishment was. He doesn’t stand a chance.

  157. Text messages between Goodell & Well$ – January 2014

    Goodell : Ted, I need you to do a report on TB.

    Well$ : What am I looking for?

    Goodell : Anything & Everything, but specifically football deflation.

    Well$ : What about the Colts?

    Goodell : No. Stay completely INDEPENDENT of anyone other then TB.

    Well$ : No one else?

    Goodell : You get DOUBLE if you connect TB to BB

    Well$ : I’m on it.

  158. paulrevereshorse1775 says:
    Aug 11, 2015 4:49 PM
    accounting for the Ideal Gas Law, the Deflator actually went into the bathroom, let air out of three balls, added air to 4 balls, and left the other five alone.

    This should be called InflateGate, since he inflated more balls than he deflated
    ————-
    I think if anything he just gave them all a squeeze to make sure they weren’t “balloons” or “bricks”. If they were over inflated, maybe he’d fix them…
    I believe that’s what this is all about -not wanting over inflated balls, not that Brady wanted them below the limit. He (via McNally) brought the PSI rule to the officials attention himself…”They were supposed be 13 PSI”…nothing except for a joker wanting you to call him the deflator shows us that Brady wants the balls illegally under the limit. Nothing.
    But given the league was “Tipped off” maybe they (officials) should have over inflated them, documented it all pre game and then checked the balls at halftime. But they are so inept they cant even run a sting properly. Really once they “found” the balls they should have nevr allowed those balls to be used. There was plenty of time to go get the back up balls and if the Pats had done anything shady we would all know for a fact…even “science” needs more that 10 minutes…But again…so inept they let the game start with balls that had gone missing…smh…and we have people defending these bumbling lying…you know whats lol

  159. Wouldn’t you just love to put Brady to a polygraph about all this. After all, if he is innocent of any wrongdoing, it would put the nail in the coffin on all of this. I’m thinking he won’t do it. I get the whole destroying the phone thing. After all, the NFL cannot be trusted to keep your private life private and they would totally leak something sensitive like a private conversation with wife, girlfriend etc. But a polygraph would absolutely put this whole thing 6 feet under… which is why it won’t happen.

  160. nard100 says:
    Aug 11, 2015 5:58 PM

    Wouldn’t you just love to put Brady to a polygraph about all this. After all, if he is innocent of any wrongdoing, it would put the nail in the coffin on all of this. I’m thinking he won’t do it. I get the whole destroying the phone thing. After all, the NFL cannot be trusted to keep your private life private and they would totally leak something sensitive like a private conversation with wife, girlfriend etc. But a polygraph would absolutely put this whole thing 6 feet under… which is why it won’t happen.
    ——————–

    I’d be more interested in seeing Emperor Goodell and his band of ex-Jets employees, along with Ted Wells, put to the polygraph.

    You will never find a group of people that is more duplicitous than those bozos.

    Tom Brady, on the other hand, has maintained his innocence throughout, and has given zero impression that he is lying.

  161. Mmack, Brady is a proven liar. He has zero credibility and while the NFL has all the evidence on their side, you only have Tom’s word.

  162. Patriot haters loves the “facts”, so here are two facts: Roger Goodell is a convicted liar in a federal court. Roger Goodell lied about Brady’s testimony (as proven by the release of the appeals transcripts).

    Regardless of the outcome, the facts are that Roger Goodell is a proven liar. Anything out of his mouth cannot be trusted ever.

  163. Mmack, Brady is a proven liar. He has zero credibility and while the NFL has all the evidence on their side, you only have Tom’s word.

    ———–
    Moron, when you say “proven” liar, it is the exact OPPOSITE.

    How dumb are you? Nothing has been “proven” except Brady’s innocence.

    Don’t ever sit on jury. You’re a dangerous person.

  164. The way this is going down does not bode well for the NFL. I predict a fine for Brady for not cooperating, no suspension and draft picks reinstated. Goodell overreached by a mile on this one.

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