Judge Berman grills both sides during Wednesday’s Brady hearing

AP

Wednesday’s hearing in the Tom Brady case is underway in Manhattan after Judge Richard Berman met with both the NFL and Brady’s team privately to discuss the possibility of a settlement.

Stephen Brown of the New York Daily News reported all of the major developments from the courthouse as they were happening on Wednesday, including that Berman will oversee another settlement meeting after the hearing involving both Brady and NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell. The sides may find their positions on that front altered by the tenor of the hearing, which began with Berman, who said there were strengths and weaknesses to arguments on both sides, questioning NFL attorney Daniel Nash.

Berman spent time questioning the “independent” Ted Wells investigation and, per Brown, continually pressed for “direct evidence” of Brady’s involvement in a scheme to deflate footballs.

“I don’t know what to make of that finding Tom Brady was at least generally aware of the activities of [Jim McNally and John Jastremski],” Berman said.

Nash conceded there is no direct evidence, but pointed to the destruction of his cellphone made it “clearly reasonable to infer” culpability in the deflation. Nash also argued that there “cannot be a dispute” that Brady was afforded all of his rights under the league’s collective bargaining agreement and that Goodell’s decision to rule on Brady’s appeal falls within the commissioner’s rights in the CBA.

Brady’s attorney Jeffrey Kessler followed Nash and Berman, who mused that Brady was unlikely to not know about under-inflated balls since he’s the one throwing them, asked about why two equipment men would tamper with footballs absent Brady’s instructions. Kessler answered that it “makes a certain logical sense” that McNally wanted to do something to help Brady. Brady’s failure to cooperate with the investigation was the next line of questioning.

Kessler said that Brady did not cooperate fully with the Wells investigation on the advice of agent Don Yee out of privacy concerns, citing emails about “personal issues about a pool cover” becoming public as the type of thing he wanted to avoid. Kessler did concede that Brady should have “conducted himself differently” with Wells, although he also added that Wells didn’t establish the “expectation of punishment” for failing to offer all cooperation that they asked for from Brady.

Kessler also called the entire issue the “most overblown” of his legal career. The hearing has adjourned and we should know fairly soon if there’s air left in it or if Wednesday’s questioning nudges things toward a conclusion.

163 responses to “Judge Berman grills both sides during Wednesday’s Brady hearing

  1. When I read comments relating to Deflategate, I ONLY read comments that have more thumbs down than up. It helps me avoid the NE trolls and their manufactured “facts” altogether.

  2. Brady stats, 42-46, 512 yards, 5 TD’s, 0 Int. Consider it a preview of Opening Night vs. Pittsburgh

  3. Nash conceded there is no direct evidence, but pointed to the destruction of his cellphone made it “clearly reasonable to infer” culpability in the deflation.

    ——————

    The fact that I deleted my old Hotmail account makes it “clearly reasonable to infer” that I’m the one behind all those Nigerian prince scams.

  4. Kessler was very smart about his comment that Tom could have cooperated better with Wells. It makes it look like Tom wants to negotiate and would be willing to admit guilt to only non-cooperation, and Judge Berman will like that. Big win for Tom today. Was surprised though Kessler didn’t bring up the ideal gas law.

  5. I think the judge is telling the NFL to settle here. Even the question he asked about Brady destroying the phone seemed to be to clear up what the NFL lawyer said about it. There was no pressing Kessler like he pressed the NFL lawyers!

  6. Patriot Hater can’t handle the truth!

    🙂

    #BowDownToTheChamps
    #UrTeamIsNothingComparedToUS
    #UrTeamIsTrashComparedToUS
    #UrTeamIsNotOnOURLevel

  7. What a colossal waste of time and money. This jig is up…Framegate is over and the Patriots/Brady win again. Colts are going to pay….stupid, stupid Colts.

  8. “Kessler said that Brady did not cooperate fully with the Wells investigation on the advice of agent Don Yee…”

    Called it. That moron’s public statements have been the biggest thorn in Tom’s side this entire time, and to hear it was his bright idea to toss the phone? Brady’s gonna regret DEEPLY ever listening to that tool, lol.

  9. NFL’s new conduct policy: If you want to give a 4 game suspension, initially hit them with 8 games. After fighting, accept a settlement of 4 games.

  10. I cant wait for this to be over with and actual football games to be played. Between a deflated football, a so called QB getting punched in the face by a teammate NFL offseasons are more like soap operas.

  11. How did the judge grill Bradys side the the article and not clearly the NFL’s?. Brady was suspended for upgrading his cell phone to an iPhone 6 and being generally aware of something that may or may not have happened. The NFL also put out a false report stating that 11/12 footballs were 2 pounds under the legal range without knowledge of the ideal gas law and if it was true which it wasn’t it would have still been argued that they deflated due to cold weather. That’s the true story.

  12. zachari14 says:
    Aug 12, 2015 1:01 PM
    When I read comments relating to Deflategate, I ONLY read comments that have more thumbs down than up.

    ———–
    Well that ensures that you read your own comments at least.

  13. The only thing Brady will be throwing on opening night is a party for Ben A. and the nanny.

    She’s kind of hot by the way.

  14. oconnor99 says:
    Aug 12, 2015 1:02 PM

    Nash conceded there is no direct evidence, but pointed to the destruction of his cellphone made it “clearly reasonable to infer” culpability in the deflation.

    ——————

    Except there was no deflation.

  15. Anything less than a full exoneration of Brady, followed by an apology from Goodell, Wells, Vincent, Kensil, Gardi, Mortensen (where they admit it was a sham from the start) and the other 31 owners, etc, … and the subsequent resignation of Roger, would be unacceptable. Oh, and it would be great to see Bozo the Commish get his jaw broken, like the Jets QB did yesterday… that’d keep him from spewing his anti-Patriots agenda for a while.

  16. Robert Kraft is one heck of an owner. Everybody knows the Patriots have been caught using dirty tactics time and time again yet Kraft will blindly defend his players even to the point of embarrassing his own league and his own brand in the process.

    He’s a regular Al Davis 2.0

  17. The headline is pretty misleading.

    When you read all the actual tweets it’s clear that Judge Berman is pretty clearly on Brady’s side.

  18. Although it looks like the NFL got p’wnd in this I’d caution folks not to make too much of the questioning – a Judge will often ask “devil’s advocate” questions – which shouldn’t lead to any conclusions on how he’d rule

    But it appears the NFL is banking their case on “he didn’t turn over his phone”

    Can’t wait for Kessler – who was told NOT to use his time to respond to Nash – to remind the judge that Goodell HIMSELF REFUSED TO TURN OVER HIS CELLPHONE in the Mueller Investigation

    So I suppose Nash just admitted Goodell lied under oath and admitted his guilt

    Time for the Owners to invoke Article VIII and fire Goodell for his lack of integrity

  19. Clearly, Judge Berman’s comments are designed to make each side feel somewhat vulnerable to give them the incentive to settle. A good judge will do this to incentivize each party.

    The question is whether Brady will agree to resolve this for a suspension, but for less than four games.

  20. I expect Harbaugh to rush into the courtroom to explain that while what the NFLPA is saying is true that it somehow also against the rules and that he will take a contempt of court charge just so he can say this.

  21. STILLlolatpatshaters says:Aug 12, 2015 1:04 PM

    Patriot Hater can’t handle the truth!

    #BowDownToTheChamps
    #UrTeamIsNothingComparedToUS
    #UrTeamIsTrashComparedToUS
    #UrTeamIsNotOnOURLevel
    _________________________________
    How about you crawl back in your hole….it’s posts like yours why people hate Patriot fans….most of you are fine, but you are way off the top and just plain annoying.

  22. Non-cooperation is a fine. Tactical concessions by Kessler.

    The NFL was poleaxed today.

  23. Berman: “What is the evidence of a scheme or conspiracy that covers the Jan. 15 game? I’m having trouble finding it.”
    _____________________

    So is every other rational human being your honor.
    Looks like we have our answer about whether or not Judge Berman is going to confine himself purely to Article 46 & the law of the shop. That doesn’t bode well for the No Facts League.

  24. Patriot Haters across the nation are at this very moment furiously crafting their “Brady cheated, he just got off in a technicality” arguments. It was all going so well for them until that technicality of having the actual facts of the case presented to a federal judge.

  25. A POOL-COVER!?! Why not just say “citing concerns about personal issues.” He didn’t even have to say pool cover if he was worriend about something about a pool cover.

    Brady, god bless him, doesn’t a great job of keeping the Idiot Score close in the contest between himself and the NFL league office.

  26. Was surprised though Kessler didn’t bring up the ideal gas law.
    ===
    It’s in the briefs. No need to do anything more than answer the judge’s questions.

  27. “Brady’s failure to cooperate with the investigation was the next line of questioning.”

    IMO if Brady had cooperated from the beginning the entire thing would have blown over. Everyone knows it had no impact on the AFCC game.

    Even being a Steelers fan I’m tired of all this and hope he plays Week 1.

  28. It’s sure beginning to look like the judge is going to rule against the NFL, but he wants both sides to settle. So the natural compromise will be either a fine or 1 game suspension for non-cooperation with the investigation but a wiping clean of the charge of being generally aware of deflation.

  29. Silly, Brady. I always delete my embarrassing pool cover texts, I don’t destroy my phone to hide them.

  30. I guess I’ll have to read the original article to hear about the other side that got grilled; not part of PFT’s narrative to talk about that I suppose.

  31. ***I want sworn testimony from the equipment guys.***

    So do Pats fans but after repeated interviews Wells determined it would only destroy the leagues case.

  32. Am I the only one disgusted that the NFL had Ted Wells spend MONTHS telling Brady and his attorneys that:

    1.) The NFL had no right to his phone
    2.) Did not want his phone
    3.) Did not need his phone

    And then – and now – at the very end of a bogus fake scandal (even the Judge just said the NFL presented ZERO evidence of any other previous deflation)…

    The NFL is now BANKING it’s case on the fact that Brady didn’t give them his Cellphone?

    And let’s not forget – GOODELL REFUSED TO GIVE HIS OWN CELLPHONE in the Ray Rice VideoGate investigation

    Goodell is both a liar AND a hypocrite

    Hello? Owners? Article VIII of YOUR constitution says you MUST FIRE GOODELL and get a Commissioner with “unquestioned integrity”

  33. Has the reason why Blount was able to rush for 200 yards in the conf championship game been discovered yet?

  34. rascalmanny says:
    Aug 12, 2015 1:07 PM

    I want sworn testimony from the equipment guys.

    ********************************

    Kensil pretends he’s an equipment guy. I agree, lets get his sworn testimony.

  35. I’m not a lawyer and I am a bit confused. From reading previous articles, I had the impression that the judge would not be concerned with Brady’s actual guilt or innocence on the charges, but whether the NFL had followed the CBA and any other relevant workplace rules in handing out punishment. From the questions he is asking, it appears that the judge is also concerned with matters like whether Brady can be guilty of conspiracy if there wasn’t any communications between Brady and the others going into the AFC Championship game, etc.

    Compared with Adrian Peterson and Ray Rice appeals, I think there is a lot more doubt about Brady’s actual guilt or innocence. As far the NFL overstepping its bounds in determining punishment it seems very similar to those cases. Will the judge consider things like the NFL not correcting false reports about PSI measurements, and Goodell lying about Brady’s testimony?

  36. Funny, I read the opposite of what all the Patriot fans are saying.
    We’ll see what happens soon enough.

  37. A POOL-COVER!?! Why not just say “citing concerns about personal issues.” He didn’t even have to say pool cover if he was worriend about something about a pool cover.
    ===
    Because the pool-cover email chain was hilariously mundane, and yet everyone from ESPN to Deadspin went ape over it. Imagine what would have happened if an actual salacious leak had occurred.

  38. Judge: I’m having trouble finding any evidence that Brady was involved in any way?

    Pash: Well, you see, after he found out he was being investigated for cheating, he texted the other person that was being investigated. Therefore, because they texted each other about the cheating after they had been accused of cheating, they must be cheating.

    Erm… what? #NFLlogic

  39. “there “cannot be a dispute” that Brady was afforded all of his rights under the league’s collective bargaining agreement and that Goodell’s decision to rule on Brady’s appeal falls within the commissioner’s rights in the CBA.”

    Where in the CBA does it say the league can release false information as fact ?

    Where in the CBA does it say a team being investigated can be provided with false information as fact ?

    Where is the CBA does it say it can apply one set of standards to 31 teams and a different one to the team or player they are out to get ?

    Where in the CBA does it say they have the right to ignore science as some kind of voodoo that is not to be believed and ridiculed ?

    I could go on but my point is made.

  40. STILLlolatpatshaters says:
    Aug 12, 2015 1:04 PM
    Patriot Hater can’t handle the truth!
    🙂

    #BowDownToTheChamps
    #UrTeamIsNothingComparedToUS
    #UrTeamIsTrashComparedToUS
    #UrTeamIsNotOnOURLevel

    —————————————-

    Um, what number do you wear? That way, I can pick you out next time Ur on the field. Oh wait…

  41. “I don’t know what to make of that finding Tom Brady was at least generally aware of the activities of [Jim McNally and John Jastremski],” Berman said.

    Join the club!

  42. I find it interesting that there “cannot be a dispute” regarding that “Brady was afforded all of his rights under the league’s collective bargaining agreement .”

    It would make sense that even though the CBA gives the commissioner great power in making judgements and metering out discipline, there would be an underlying assumption that such judgements and disciplines would arise from sound evidence and that fairness and honesty in such dealings is a forgone conclusion.

    Instead, we seem to be asked to swallow the idea that since the NFLPA bargained to accept Goodell’s power, they also agreed to wave any need for the commish to be bound by evidence, fairness, consistency, and honesty in his dealings.

    It is my hope that the judge goes beyond the boundaries of merely interpreting the words of the CBA, and applies what should be recognized as the reasonable spirit and intentions of the agreement. That is to say that the commissioner of the NFL can’t just make it up as he goes along and throw out penalties based more on the politics of the moment rather than a desire for justice and fair play.

  43. mmm… 3 million for Ted Wells report.

    –our ticket money

    U.S. Court costs

    –our tax payer money

    Just get on top of your house and throw money up in the air and cut out the middle-man

  44. You guys crowing about a lack of direct evidence do know that circumstancial evidence, in enough abundance, is used to convict in criminal court routinely, never mind in civil court where the standard of proof is much lower right? Right?

    Right?

    Please tell me you know that, and haven’t been basing your entire concept of guilt or innocence based off that right? If not, Jesus, I sincerely hope you never represent yourselves in court.

  45. .
    Judge Berman is a shining example of what’s wrong with our judicial system. He’s fixated on ” direct evidence”.

    ESPN reported it !!!!!! What else do you need? An affidavit from Chris Mortenson?
    .

  46. billswillnevermove says:
    Aug 12, 2015 1:11 PM

    STILLlolatpatshaters says:Aug 12, 2015 1:04 PM

    Patriot Hater can’t handle the truth!

    #BowDownToTheChamps
    #UrTeamIsNothingComparedToUS
    #UrTeamIsTrashComparedToUS
    #UrTeamIsNotOnOURLevel
    _________________________________
    How about you crawl back in your hole….it’s posts like yours why people hate Patriot fans….most of you are fine, but you are way off the top and just plain annoying.

    🙂

    #Yup
    #CantHandleTheTruth
    #JustLikeISaid
    #TeeHee

  47. I’d get a cover too if Gisele’s going to be walking around that pool in one of those french suits.

  48. Nash: “Is there a text in which Mr. Brady instructs someone to put a needle in a football? No there is not such direct evidence.”

    Nash: But other evidence “clearly indicates Mr. Brady’s knowledge and encouragement of this activity.” Such as texts after game

    Nash: “The phone was destroyed. A factfinder, in this case Mr Goodell, it’s clearly reasonable to infer is further evidence of culpability”
    —————————————————————–

    Here are the NFL’s two biggest points to prove Brady guilty:

    First are the texts after the game. And these were completely misrepresented by the NFL in the appeal decision letter, where they omitted large portions of Brady’s testimony to drive a false narrative.

    Second is the destruction of Brady’s cell phone. This information wasn’t even known when the original suspension was issued. The information was volunteered by Brady at the appeal.

    The Wells report doesn’t even factor in to their best two arguments.

  49. The thing that interests me the most about this whole story?

    What was so private a bout a pool cover that Brady doesn’t want it revealed…?

  50. bradhammond says:
    Aug 12, 2015 1:16 PM
    I’m not a lawyer and I am a bit confused. From reading previous articles, I had the impression that the judge would not be concerned with Brady’s actual guilt or innocence on the charges, but whether the NFL had followed the CBA and any other relevant workplace rules in handing out punishment. From the questions he is asking, it appears that the judge is also concerned with matters like whether Brady can be guilty of conspiracy if there wasn’t any communications between Brady and the others going into the AFC Championship game, etc.

    Compared with Adrian Peterson and Ray Rice appeals, I think there is a lot more doubt about Brady’s actual guilt or innocence. As far the NFL overstepping its bounds in determining punishment it seems very similar to those cases. Will the judge consider things like the NFL not correcting false reports about PSI measurements, and Goodell lying about Brady’s testimony?

    =======================
    This is what we all assumed. In reality the judge wants to find out the truth.
    That being said, the truth will bring down the NFL’s case.
    This will be settled before next weeks meeting.
    Brady will accept a small fine, no admitting any involvement and play in all 19 games.

  51. oconnor99 says:

    Aug 12, 2015 1:02 PM

    The fact that I deleted my old Hotmail account makes it “clearly reasonable to infer” that I’m the one behind all those Nigerian prince scams.

    ———
    “A” for effort, but not a good analogy. It would be clearly reasonable to infer that you’re the one behind the Nigerian scam if you deleted your Hotmail account AFTER you learned you were the target on the investigation and had an interview scheduled with investigators. Now, if Tom had destroyed his phone a day before the game in question, then yes you have a point.

  52. fleaman13 says:
    Aug 12, 2015 1:29 PM
    The thing that interests me the most about this whole story?

    What was so private a bout a pool cover that Brady doesn’t want it revealed…?
    _________________________________________

    Brady had concerns about private texts, unrelated to football, being released to the public by the NFL Leak Machine. Case in point….the pool cover emails.

  53. And let’s not forget – GOODELL REFUSED TO GIVE HIS OWN CELLPHONE in the Ray Rice VideoGate investigation

    I couldn’t find anything that actually stated this. Does anybody have a link? I don’t think this statement is true.

  54. Why do people continually post that if Brady came clean at the beginning, none of this would have happened? That would only be true if he were guilty. He swore under oath(voluntarily) that he wasn’t. That’s good enough for me. He has a long life after FB. There’s no way he would perjure himself over this. I don’t know where those two clowns are, or what they’re doing, but if Brady were guilty it would eventually come out.

  55. The thing that interests me the most about this whole story?

    What was so private a bout a pool cover that Brady doesn’t want it revealed…?
    ===
    There was nothing “private”, by which you mean embarrassing, about it, but in and of itself, there was nothing interesting about it either. Yet there it was, all over the place: Tom Brady wants a white pool cover but got a green one instead. It was only published because it was Tom Brady’s pool cover.

    If it had actually been something private – by which I mean embarrassing or titillating – then it would have been all over even faster than the pool cover story was.

    Also… White pool cover? Bad choice. That thing’s gonna look nasty by Thanksgiving. Tom lucked out there.

  56. whitewalkerinphilly says:
    Aug 12, 2015 1:21 PM
    You guys crowing about a lack of direct evidence do know that circumstancial evidence, in enough abundance, is used to convict in criminal court routinely, never mind in civil court where the standard of proof is much lower right? Right?

    Right?

    Please tell me you know that, and haven’t been basing your entire concept of guilt or innocence based off that right? If not, Jesus, I sincerely hope you never represent yourselves in court.

    Of course, we realize that; but, there’s good circumstantial evidence and then there’s making a leap of logic that defies common sense and calling it circumstantial evidence……and I do believe Judge Berman was telling that to the NFL today.

  57. zachari14 says:
    Aug 12, 2015 1:01 PM
    When I read comments relating to Deflategate, I ONLY read comments that have more thumbs down than up. It helps me avoid the NE trolls and their manufactured “facts” altogether.
    ===========

    That’s called “confirmation bias”- only seeking out information that confirms the preconceived notion you already have in your head.

    It’s consider by experts to be a sign of limited intelligence, so it’s funny to hear you brag about it.

  58. You don’t need to show direct evidence that Brady did anything.

    You can shows all the facts and lies the two minions and the Pats organization did and conclude…

    “it’s more probably than not that Tom was generally aware”

    Minions would do nothing without Tommys knowledge.

  59. Tee hee 🙂

    Patriot Hater loves dishing it out but they SURE can’t take it! LOL.

    🙂

  60. Bring the ref or head of refs to court:
    Judge: Did you notice any difference in Patriots balls vs. Colts Balls?
    Ref: No
    Judge: Have you or other refs noticed appreciable differences between Patriots game balls and opponents game balls?
    Ref: No
    Judge: Do you believe the Patriots have any advantage with the way their game balls are prepared?
    Ref: No
    Judge: During the first half of the Colts/Patriots AFC Championship game, did you notice any difference in game balls?
    Ref: No
    Judge: Has this whole issue been overinflated?
    Ref: Yes

  61. “How about you crawl back in your hole….”

    He can’t there’s no room. All the holes are filled with Bills fans because they’ve been cellar dwellars for so long it looks like up to them.

  62. Judge should ask equipment guys under oath: “Did you deflate the footballs under the direction of Mr. Brady or anyone else?”

  63. billburke says:Aug 12, 2015 1:32 PM

    And let’s not forget – GOODELL REFUSED TO GIVE HIS OWN CELLPHONE in the Ray Rice VideoGate investigation

    I couldn’t find anything that actually stated this. Does anybody have a link? I don’t think this statement is true.

    —–

    In the same way that you could play it out as “Brady destroyed his phone” or “Brady got rid of his phone because people were figuring out his number because Ted Wells leaked 7 of it’s digits”.

    “Goodell refused to hand over his phone” or “Goodell wasn’t required to hand over his personal phone, so he didn’t”. He only turned in his work phone.

    So, basically, the problem a lot of people have is Goodell didn’t turn his phone over for an investigation because he didn’t have to, but apparently Brady is completely guilty because he didn’t turn over his phone because he doesn’t have to.

    Hypocrisy much?

  64. There is no tenant of either CRIMINAL nor CIVIL law known as “generally Aware”. That is the point of contest upon which every point of the case focuses. The Judge asked the NFL attorney directly if there was any evidence of DIRECT KNOWLEDGE or INVOLEMENT,
    Respondent: NO, but one can infer ……

    That my friends is game set match, at this point in private meetings with both parties, the judge will point this out to the NFL…and________________

  65. This is the most stupid thing I have ever heard. Both parties are idiots for taking this as far as they have.

    And how much money is being spent on this? Ridiculous

  66. Unlike articles and posters here on this site, Judge Berman has a responsibility to at least appear impartial. And anyone can read whatever s/he wants between the lines. And clearly neither side is flawless here.

    But for a judge to state that it doesn’t make sense to him that ball boys would take it upon themselves to do ANYTHING to a football without the knowledge of one of the NFL’s leading QBs pretty much says it all right there as far as I’m concerned. That’s where common sense logic tips the “circumstantial evidence” scale in favor of the NFL’s case — especially when it’s clear that the CBA provides the legal foundation for the commissioner to bring the final hammer down. (And to try to scapegoat Yee is a pretty weak tactic, IMO.)

  67. ssandhu01 says:
    Aug 12, 2015 1:08 PM

    I can’t wait for the excuses

    “Judge Berman and Kraft Goodell / the other owners / the jealous fans / the media / the Colts / the Ravens / ESPN are in bed together; whhhaaaaaaaaaaa

    Fixed – no charge.

    RECHEAT

  68. harrisonhits2 says:Aug 12, 2015 1:43 PM

    “How about you crawl back in your hole….”

    He can’t there’s no room. All the holes are filled with Bills fans because they’ve been cellar dwellars for so long it looks like up to them.
    _________________________________
    Wow!! Like that post MADE a lot of sense. Nice one Pee Wee.

  69. I was kinda hoping the Judge would ask for testimony on the record as to the effectiveness of the diet that yeilded the nickname, “Deflator” because we all know that is the real reason how he obtained that nickname.

    As for Brady destroying his phone, let’s examine the tens of millions of people who get a new cell phone and we can quickly see the vast majority of them simply don’t turn them in for financial credit or hold on to them as a back up, no sir, we are a nation of phone destroyers.

    The Patriots culivated a culture of cheating and now they are seeing the results.

  70. I am still amazed that someone would be suspended without any direct evidence. So many fans of other teams WANT to believe that Tom Brady did something, but wanting and knowing are two different things. Tom Brady has a clean history and led an exemplary career and public life. In my heart, I truly believe this was driven by personal agenda and animosity toward Belichick and the Patriots. Roger Goodell has major issues with his management style as well. He jumps to conclusions and never follows guidelines or even creates them. His management style lacks true professionalism. There was no real investigation of Tom Brady, just a prosecution.

  71. The Ginger Hammer and his minions are on the ropes. This is big boy court Roger and not the Kangaroo court you reside over. As usual when it comes to the real world you will look like a total idiot.

  72. Dear Mr Kessler : When you take a QB’s slap on the wrist token punishment to federal court, and his team fight a war about it in the media, it is going to get “overblown”.

  73. sbaltimore says:
    Aug 12, 2015 1:59 PM

    Unlike articles and posters here on this site, Judge Berman has a responsibility to at least appear impartial. And anyone can read whatever s/he wants between the lines. And clearly neither side is flawless here.

    But for a judge to state that it doesn’t make sense to him that ball boys would take it upon themselves to do ANYTHING to a football without the knowledge of one of the NFL’s leading QBs pretty much says it all right there as far as I’m concerned. That’s where common sense logic tips the “circumstantial evidence” scale in favor of the NFL’s case — especially when it’s clear that the CBA provides the legal foundation for the commissioner to bring the final hammer down. (And to try to scapegoat Yee is a pretty weak tactic, IMO.)
    ————————-

    I’m sure that once he gets around to whether the balls were actually deflated, the scale will tip back to the logical side.

  74. %0Asueb45 says:%Of course, we realize that; but, there’s good circumstantial evidence and then there’s making a leap of logic that defies common sense and calling it circumstantial evidence……and I do believe Judge Berman was telling that to the NFL today.

    –‘—-

    Really? If while investigniting a Ponzi scheme you found that 11 out of the last 12 earnings reports didn’t match up, a forensic accountant runs tests and finds that the company’s explanations make no srnse, you find company emails where two guys joke about bonuses they get for extra duty and one calls himself “the inflator” and when asked for records the CEO first says they’re trade secrets and then tells you that he’s burned them…

    Yeah, that’s hardly a major leap on logic to make 9 out of 12 people think that it’s more likely than not that the CEO is likely cooking the books.

  75. smasonsmith says:
    Aug 12, 2015 1:34 PM
    The thing that interests me the most about this whole story?

    Also… White pool cover? Bad choice. That thing’s gonna look nasty by Thanksgiving. Tom lucked out there.

    ========================================

    Do you know shows up really well on black pool covers? Bird droppings. I am going to disagree with you on that one.

  76. Pats Fans and NFL Believers: You cannot infer *anything* from Judge Berman’s comments/questions today EXCEPT that he was letting both sides know they have weaknesses. That was just to push them to settle and keep them off-balance, nothing more. In other words, doing what an experienced, unbiased judge does every day in civil legal issues.

    Remember that this is *all about legal issues not issues of fact*, even though the judge asked about numerous factual issues – it was just to show them his skepticism on both sides of the arguments so they would be more incented to settle than litigate.

    Fewer than 5% of arbitrators’decisions are ever overturned (if they don’t settle beforehand) if the judge has to actually render a verdict. So, Pats Nation: you’d best hope for a settlement that both sides can live with as you have only a tiny hope of Goodell’s ruling being appealed. The NFL’s legal end of things is solid even if they acted like

    And remember, Judge Berman took *no* issue today with Goodell having the contractual authority to issue his decision —- nor did he question if Brady was afforded his full rights under the CBA. IF those issues had come up, and he questioned either, then Brady would be in a much better place – and that’s how the judge would have let Brady know it. Right now, he is on the very short odds side of a 95% chance of losing it all. Settle, Tom, and get on with it. Your rep might be in a bad place but you cana then play football.

  77. People are hung up on Brady not handing his phone over. Well Favre also was uncooperative in his investigation and he was merely fined. So why suspended Brady 4 games AND fined? Sounds more and more like a Witch Hunt and this is coming from a fan who hates Brady and the Pats.

  78. harrisonhits2 says:
    Aug 12, 2015 1:19 PM


    Where in the CBA does it say they have the right to ignore science as some kind of voodoo that is not to be believed and ridiculed ?

    I could go on but my point is made

    I am totally on your side, and I hate to split hairs on that comment. but the truth is that the NFL didn’t ignore the science…they never considered it at all, so they were ignorant of the potential scientific explanation. It’s a fine distinction, but it makes a difference.

    In addition their testing was also highly flawed, so their results could never be conclusive. Wells had to go on assumptions and no documentation because of a ridiculously flawed process.

    Either way, I wouldn’t worry about it. You have to be blind to not see where this is headed now…MAYBE Brady gets a fine, and he plays every game. Then we get to see what Kraft does about the team penalties. It would be tough to imagine him swallowing that pill after the conspiracy is debunked in court.

  79. Do you know shows up really well on black pool covers? Bird droppings. I am going to disagree with you on that one.
    ===
    Bird droppings? Even if they’re only a few shades mismatched, you’ll still see them on white (or off-white), and there’s usually a non-white part of the dropping anyway.

  80. BERMAN’S GRILL & ROAST HOUSE

    Judge Berman : Tom, How do you like your Filet Mignon?

    Brady : Rare Please.

    Judge : Rare You Are INDEED!

    Goodell : Your Honor, my hotdog is burning…

    Judge : Oh I’m not done with it yet, and you should ‘Generally be AWARE’ that your Goose is ROASTING as Well$.

  81. Berman: That’s the only game we’re talking about…the Wells Report relates only to one game. Whether it happened before, who knows…There is no finding in this case that there was anything done by
    Mr. Brady (in the AFC title game).

    That right there is why the NFL needs to make a settlement here. A fine, no admission of guilt; and, even then Brady’s getting shafted. There should be no fine and an apology from the NFL.

  82. oconnor99 says:
    Aug 12, 2015 1:02 PM
    Nash conceded there is no direct evidence, but pointed to the destruction of his cellphone made it “clearly reasonable to infer” culpability in the deflation.

    ——————

    The fact that I deleted my old Hotmail account makes it “clearly reasonable to infer” that I’m the one behind all those Nigerian prince scams.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Exactly.

    Just be cause your grandma has wheels, doesn’t make her a trolley…..

  83. so not only is Tom Brady a god, all Patriots fans are gods and goddesses as well it seems as they know what will happen next. To be honest, I’m not really sure how Berman will rule but I do know Patriots fans are delusional.

  84. The reason the ideal gas law and other scientific evidence wasn’t presented is because it wasn’t in the Wells Report. The judge can only consider items already introduced. He’s ruling on procedure. Was it fair? Was the arbitrator (Goodell) allowed to rule the way he did? Was Brady informed of all possible punishments prior to giving testimony and what the penalty for not answering questions would be?

  85. whitewalkerinphilly says:
    Aug 12, 2015 2:18 PM
    %0Asueb45 says:%Of course, we realize that; but, there’s good circumstantial evidence and then there’s making a leap of logic that defies common sense and calling it circumstantial evidence……and I do believe Judge Berman was telling that to the NFL today.

    –‘—-

    Really? If while investigniting a Ponzi scheme you found that 11 out of the last 12 earnings reports didn’t match up, a forensic accountant runs tests and finds that the company’s explanations make no srnse, you find company emails where two guys joke about bonuses they get for extra duty and one calls himself “the inflator” and when asked for records the CEO first says they’re trade secrets and then tells you that he’s burned them…

    Yeah, that’s hardly a major leap on logic to make 9 out of 12 people think that it’s more likely than not that the CEO is likely cooking the book

    —-

    Here’s your leap in logic, that 11 out of 12 balls “didn’t match up” with science….they did. So in your case, it would be they found out there was nothing wrong with 11 of those 12 reports.

  86. sueb45 says:
    Aug 12, 2015 2:47 PM
    Berman: That’s the only game we’re talking about…the Wells Report relates only to one game. Whether it happened before, who knows…There is no finding in this case that there was anything done by
    Mr. Brady (in the AFC title game).

    That right there is why the NFL needs to make a settlement here. A fine, no admission of guilt; and, even then Brady’s getting shafted. There should be no fine and an apology from the NFL

    You can vote thumbs down but Berman actually said this “There is no finding in this case that there was anything done by Mr. Brady..

    That’s got to make the NFL nervous.

  87. and as Florio said, both sides were grilled. Then again, we all read what we want to read, we all see what we want to see, we all hear what we want to hear. The absolute truth suggests the Patriots are not guiltless though. Law experts tell me circumstantial evidence is sufficient for conviction.

  88. did u delete them the day you knew you were being questioned about such a topic?? If so, I would infer that you had something to hide

  89. Patriot Hater can’t handle the truth!
    🙂

    #BowDownToTheChamps
    #UrTeamIsNothingComparedToUS
    #UrTeamIsTrashComparedToUS
    #UrTeamIsNotOnOURLevel

    —————————————————————–
    #YouSpelledChumpsWrong
    #WeCantBeNothingAndSomethingAtTheSameTime
    #*Your
    #WeWontSinkToYourLevel

  90. This whole issue needs to just go away. Suspend Brady AND Goodell for two games each, and move on to more important issues like PED use in the NFL.

  91. padronebradfather says:
    Aug 12, 2015 2:56 PM
    and as Florio said, both sides were grilled. Then again, we all read what we want to read, we all see what we want to see, we all hear what we want to hear. The absolute truth suggests the Patriots are not guiltless though. Law experts tell me circumstantial evidence is sufficient for conviction.
    —-
    Once again, it depends on the quality of the circumstantial evidence. The truth is, in a court of law, either civil or criminal, those texts don’t come in because they are not close enough in time to the incident in question. Any law expert that tells you differently needs to go back to law school for a remedial course.

  92. #YouSpelledChumpsWrong
    #WeCantBeNothingAndSomethingAtTheSameTime
    #*Your
    #WeWontSinkToYourLevel

    #YourTeamIsTerribleAndYourTearsAreDelicious

  93. So Brady was not punished because the NFL found ZERO evidence that he instructed the Ball Boys to deflate the Ball, according to Mr. Nash of the NFL office, so we punished him because he fail to cooperate with us in Framegate.

  94. and as Florio said, both sides were grilled.
    ===
    As of now (1553 EDT), Florio has yet to weigh in on the hearing in court, except to say that the courtroom sketches were funny looking.

    I imagine that he is going to wait for a transcript to be published and once that happens he will read it and comment.

  95. It seems that the NFL’s position is that even though they don’t have any direct evidence that Tom Brady did anything, they still have considerable evidence that he did.

    I’m sure that is going to hold up in court.

  96. whitewalkerinphilly says:
    Aug 12, 2015 1:21 PM
    You guys crowing about a lack of direct evidence do know that circumstancial evidence, in enough abundance, is used to convict in criminal court routinely, never mind in civil court where the standard of proof is much lower right? Right?

    Right?

    Please tell me you know that, and haven’t been basing your entire concept of guilt or innocence based off that right? If not, Jesus, I sincerely hope you never represent yourselves in court.

    AND might I say, I hope your never a juror if I’m on trial.

  97. Has the reason why Blount was able to rush for 200 yards in the conf championship game been discovered yet?

    Possibly the same reason rookie Jonas Gray ran for 201 yards and 4 TD’s against the Colts Nov. 16, 2014 in INDY , Colts couldn’t stop the run no wait that can’t be it must be that there were invisible aliens holding the colts defenders and gluing their feet to the turf .. no BB put drugs into the colts Gatorade….no, no the Colts were on the take .. and the refs yeah , yeah that’s it no, no wait every time the patriots had the ball they tilted the field so they were running downhill yeah that’s what happened .. actually I am certain, but I don’t have any evidence , that they do that in every stadium in every game yeah that is it!! the patriots are simply the better football team .. get over it

  98. billburke says:
    Aug 12, 2015 1:32 PM
    And let’s not forget – GOODELL REFUSED TO GIVE HIS OWN CELLPHONE in the Ray Rice VideoGate investigation

    I couldn’t find anything that actually stated this. Does anybody have a link? I don’t think this statement is true.


    It was when Goodell appointed an “independent” investigator to investigate his role in the Rice fiasco. His phone was requested by the investigator (I forget his name) and Goodell refused to turn it over.

  99. The two year comment was the most telling. Unless Brady prevails or gets injunctive relief, this is over by early October, as the suspension will have been served and the case made moot. Is the judge suggesting that Brady will prevail or at least get an injunction?

  100. zachari14 says:
    Aug 12, 2015 1:01 PM
    When I read comments relating to Deflategate, I ONLY read comments that have more thumbs down than up. It helps me avoid the NE trolls and their manufactured “facts” altogether.

    ——————-

    Deflategate is about NE! They are the fans who should care about this. You are the one that is trolling!!!

  101. If my “boss” came up to me today and asked me to turn over my cell phone, I would tell him to perform an anatomically impossible act upon himself.

    If an agent of the federal government came up to me today without a proper warrant and asked me to turn over my cell phone, I would tell him to perform an anatomically impossible act upon himself.

    Despite the fact that there is nothing more incriminating on my phone than asking my wife what we are having for dinner, no one, and I mean no one, gets to see my private communications without a properly executed and detailed warrant.

    If you don’t agree with me, you’re a sheep and an embarrassment to the founders of our nation.

  102. jonthemac72 says:
    Aug 12, 2015 3:55 PM

    whitewalkerinphilly says:
    Aug 12, 2015 1:21 PM
    You guys crowing about a lack of direct evidence do know that circumstancial evidence, in enough abundance, is used to convict in criminal court routinely, never mind in civil court where the standard of proof is much lower right? Right?

    Right?

    Please tell me you know that, and haven’t been basing your entire concept of guilt or innocence based off that right? If not, Jesus, I sincerely hope you never represent yourselves in court.

    AND might I say, I hope your never a juror if I’m on trial.
    ——————————-

    Most people are basing their conclusions on the evidence that has been presented thus far.

    Out of date and out of context text messages, signed jerseys and shoes, footballs that were deflated by mother nature, and a guy that calls himself the Deflator are not circumstantial evidence. Especially when there was zero talk about deflating footballs below 12.5PSI.

  103. jchemengr says:
    Aug 12, 2015 4:22 PM

    The two year comment was the most telling. Unless Brady prevails or gets injunctive relief, this is over by early October, as the suspension will have been served and the case made moot. Is the judge suggesting that Brady will prevail or at least get an injunction?
    ————————-

    I think he was just telling these guys to settle this now.

  104. The problem is, the NFL considers anything other than a full admission of guilt by Brady as “failure to cooperate”.

    The Goodell/Wells investigation is as close to the textbook definition of a witch hunt as you are going to get.

  105. If they want this solved.. they should get Goodell and Brady.. along with their Mothers.. and have the Mothers get them to “play nice.”

  106. Wait a second. So is Brady’s lawyer saying the footballs were tampered with?

    This is the problem with this whole thing on the Pats end. One day they say nothing happened and then the next you get stuff like this where they seem to say the balls were tampered with but Brady (or anyone else higher up than an equipment guy) wasn’t part of it.

    Maybe the full quote would indicate this was just a hypothetical rather than the judge saying the footballs were for sure tampered with and Brady’s lawyer agreeing to this.

    If the footballs were tampered with then I would believe that Brady knew about it.

  107. So Kesseler said that it makes a certain logical sense that McNally would deflate the balls to help Brady but with the implication that Brady never asked him to or knew about correct? So is Kessler admitting that the balls were in fact purposefully deflated by McNally? That would be in direct contrast to what the patriots organization is saying.

  108. Lmao this clown Nash is as big of a joke as Goodell. No we have no direct evidence.

    But I promise your Honor he did something.

    Are you frickin serious? Yeah you clowns are real trustworthy with all your lies in the media.

  109. Wait a second. So is Brady’s lawyer saying the footballs were tampered with?
    ===
    Your later supposition is correct. That answer was in response to a hypothetical question from the judge.

    This type of misunderstanding, I suspect, is why Florio is waiting to obtain a copy of the transcript before weighing in.

  110. 95% of these cases are confirmed and not overturned.

    Meanwhile the NFL is 0-4 in federal court, which goes to show how incompetent they really are.

  111. fatsolio says:
    Aug 12, 2015 5:06 PM
    Wait a second. So is Brady’s lawyer saying the footballs were tampered with?

    This is the problem with this whole thing on the Pats end. One day they say nothing happened and then the next you get stuff like this where they seem to say the balls were tampered with but Brady (or anyone else higher up than an equipment guy) wasn’t part of it.

    Maybe the full quote would indicate this was just a hypothetical rather than the judge saying the footballs were for sure tampered with and Brady’s lawyer agreeing to this.

    If the footballs were tampered with then I would believe that Brady knew about it.

    —–

    No, he was saying that’s one possibility of several. i.e., you could say that. Or you could say the science proves it was cold and wet weather. Or you could say the Colts let extra air out of the one that started the whole issue. Whatever suits your beliefs. Whether you believe Goodell, despite his blatant lying, moving the goal posts of reasoning for punishment several times, choosing whether or not Ted Wells was independant depending on who he’s talking to, whether you believe in science, or whether you believe in a dirty, underhanded conspiracy hatched by Grigson and Irsay.

  112. “Nash did attempt to cite text messages which insinuate balls being doctored by saying, “The texts previous.””

    Is he talking about the texts where they were joking about inflating a football like a watermelon, because they were pissed that Tom yelled at them because the footballs used during a Jets game were overinflated by the referees?

    Is that an example of their “circumstantial evidence”?

    Their idiocy is worse than I thought.

  113. senatorblutarsky says:
    Aug 12, 2015 5:32 PM

    I heard that Brady cried like a little girl.
    ———————–

    That was Mark Brunell.

  114. So it appears the balls were tampered with. And Kessler gave a reason that makes no sense. Jim McNally did it because he knew it would help Brady. But Brady didn’t know? And Brady claims not to even know him, just his face?

  115. Well, one could pretty clearly infer the NFL was not showing appropriate interest in coming to a settlement here, so it’s not surprise Judge Berman held their feet a little closer to the fire. Even if it appears the NFL are totally in the wrong here (and it does), a fine comparable to other fines for cheating with equipment, even a more severe one, seems like a fair compromise.

    There’s no reasonable argument to be made for a suspension, and these are professional lawyers here not dimwitted sports fans, they understand the anchor effect. A fine and avoiding a firm legal ruling that Goodell vastly overstepped his authority provided by the CBA seems like a decent takeaway for the NFL here too.

  116. limakey says:
    Aug 12, 2015 5:41 PM

    So it appears the balls were tampered with. And Kessler gave a reason that makes no sense. Jim McNally did it because he knew it would help Brady. But Brady didn’t know? And Brady claims not to even know him, just his face?
    ———————-

    It was a hypothetical situation.

    Crazily enough, the NFL gave a similar reason for why that guy was heating footballs on the sideline during a Vikings-Panthers game. Of course, in that instance, tampering with footballs was no big deal. Even when you actually do have direct evidence of it occurring.

  117. Hijack, the judge has not completed his questions. It seems he is going step by step. He has only just begun. He hasn’t gotten to the circumstantial evidence or Brady’s testimony. And Kessler will have somehow prove that a picture of Little Brett has a direct result on the out comes of games and the stats that are generated from it. He did nothing to the integrity of the game or the public’s confidence in it.

  118. Well it looks like someone beside many of the posters on PFT actually read something more than the headlines from the false stories released by the league. Fortunately it was obvious that Judge Berman took the time to read the transcripts and reports. Now if he would only order the release and publication of Ted Wells “independent investigation” notes!

  119. Mmack, I done as much research that I could. It was a direct question, why would the ball boys tamper with the balls without Brady’s direction. That is when Kessler said it made a certain logic sense he did it to help Brady. It seems the judge is telling Brady’s camp, he believes the balls were tampered with.

  120. Kessler said the Union does not believe the balls were deflated, but IF they were , the employee ” did it own his own because he thought it would be good for his Q B” from the Boston Globe.

  121. If you were Brady, which would you be more concerned about? Your football inflation requests being made public, or your model wife finding out you’ve been flying around on private jets with hot nannies and????

  122. Jmdaniel, I read the story, thanks. But I am getting the impression that is not what the judge thinks.
    ===
    You would get that impression. It’s called confirmation bias. The question to Kessler was clearly a hypothetical.

  123. Smasonsmith, I did the research and I posted my opinion. I did read the article that another poster pointed to. It is clear that the judge is asking direct questions clearly indicating that the balls were deflated and is there direct evidence of Brady’s involvement. He is not framing his questions, if the balls were deflated……

  124. The Judge should ask why the Wells report is full of deceptions….such as the false narrative of Brady and Jastremski meeting to discuss the Super Bowl, but not discussing the AFC championship game ball story..

    Why did Goodell interfere with the “neutral” investigation ? Why were all the false leaks aimed to destroy the reputation of Brady ?

  125. mmack66 says:
    Aug 12, 2015 2:16 PM

    I’m sure that once he gets around to whether the balls were actually deflated, the scale will tip back to the logical side.
    __
    Frankly, I’m not even sure that that matters at this point. The INTENT to deflate the balls, at Brady’s direction, along with destroying evidence and attempting to cover it up, could very well be enough to find him guilty. The fact that maybe the equipment guy didn’t do it correctly could well be irrelevant.

    I’m content to leave it in the hands of Judge Berman and accept his ruling and move on (assuming that the sides can’t reach an agreement). Are you?

  126. Something to consider:

    There’s almost never a unanimous decision handed down from the Supreme Court. Does that mean that they don’t know the law? Or that some of them are “right” and others are “wrong”? No. It’s the way the law is interpreted. And since they’re ALL supreme court justices, no one can point the finger at anyone else and say: “You’re not empowered to render your decision as you see fit”.

    So in this case…it may very well be that Judge Berman views the case differently than Goodell. But since Goodell is empowered by the CBA to render the decision, it’s really NOT Judge Berman’s role to over rule that decision, whether he agrees with it or not.

  127. I saw a quote from the judge that said Brady performed better with fully inflated footballs, so where’s the competitive advantage?

    Great line from the judge. Also a player poll out says a majority of players don’t think this is a big deal.

    That being said, I wouldn’t doubt if the suspension is upheld but they manipulate the appeal process to allow Brady to play in the big money / big ratings games like Pitt, Indy, and Dallas.

    That way NFL makes a ton of money and then gets it’s pound of flesh.

  128. Tomorrow’s Thursday, preseason’s in full swing, the Patriots are hosting the Pack. The court better excuse Brady for tomorrow, the NFL needs him. Berman can keep Goodell.

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