NFL made non-starter settlement demands before Wednesday’s court session

AP

It’s unclear whether Judge Richard M. Berman made any progress on Wednesday in pushing the NFL and NFL Players Association toward a settlement of the Tom Brady suspension. It’s now clear that, before the parties went to court on Wednesday, the NFL had no real interest in settling.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the NFL’s settlement position prior to Wednesday entailed Brady and the NFL agreeing to a laundry list of concessions regarding the Wells report and the NFL’s authority to suspend Brady and other players for conduct detrimental to the league and obstructing a league investigation. Then, after Brady and the NFLPA cried uncle, the NFL would discuss the terms of a reduced suspension.

It sounds a lot like the non-offer offer that was floated but not officially made while the appeal was pending before Commissioner Roger Goodell. Essentially, Brady would cry “uncle” and then the NFL would consider whether to reduce his suspension by two games, maybe three if he cries “uncle” convincingly enough.

It’s now clear that the league hopes to emerge from any settlement with what amounts to an enhancement of the labor deal that empowers the NFL to broadly interpret “conduct detrimental” in the future — and to suspend players who obstruct league investigations, even if that’s something the NFL has never previously done.

Regardless of the NFL’s planned use of any such concession going forward, it’s not a reasonable demand in this context. If the NFL repeated its demands in Judge Richard M. Berman’s “robing room” before Wednesday’s hearing, his decision to push the league’s lawyer a little harder than the union’s lawyer during the session in court seems more understandable.

Judge Berman may have done even more pushing behind the scenes after the public portion of the proceedings. In the end, some very heavy lifting may eventually be needed to get the NFL to make the kind of offer that can get the case settled. The terms demanded on Tuesday won’t even get the process started.

187 responses to “NFL made non-starter settlement demands before Wednesday’s court session

  1. Judge seems to not even know Football.
    He knows the balls were messed with.
    But asked, show me the direct link to Brady.

    Hellllllllloooooooooooo
    Anyone knows the balls would not be tampered with without Brady’s consent.

    And did you read the text messages??
    Clearly Tom knew

  2. Once again Goodell & the NFL ego getting in the way of “getting it right”. If he would have stepped aside and let a 3rd party hear the appeal, this wouldn’t be in federal court. Add this to all the leaks & lies from the NFL and it’s clear this guy needs to go. FIRE GOODELL!

  3. Tom Brady has testified under oath multiple times that he had nothing to do with deflating footballs. And I believe him.

    However, Roger Goodell claims he is upholding the 4 game suspension b/c Brady didn’t bring any evidence to prove he is innocent.

    What type of evidence can an innocent person bring?

    The NFL clearly has a policy that you are guilty until YOU prove yourself innocent and a Federal Court Judge does not like that policy.

    Smell you later Roger.

  4. If the NFL loses completely in court, it’ll undermine the entirety of the CBA and Goodell’s power. He’ll become a joke to the entire industry as this’ll be the precedent used to say players do not have to listen to Goodell. As such, owners will have three choices: either rewrite the CBA and strip Goodell of his power and admit it should’ve been done in the first place, fire Goodell, or do nothing.

    Money says they’ll pick option three

  5. So now the truth really comes out. This is nothing to do with the Patriots or Tom Brady, all this is about is a bunch of the owners, with Goodell and the league as their puppets, to garnish as much power for the league office to control the players. Brady and Co. are just the pawns being used for them to do this.

  6. My offer is: I will jam 12 deflated footballs up your ass and admit that I did THAT. But that’s all I will admit, because that’s all I did.

  7. I”m starting to become more pissed at Kraft for being a part of this ludicrous CBA and supporting Roger the Dunce than I am at his acceptance of the team penalty. I know the owners are making lots of money, but pretty much everyone has noticed how colossally, galactically inept Goodell is. He’s railroaded multiple players and teams, lied regularly and unapologetically, and made everything about his own image. He needs to go.

  8. Why didn’t the NFL just lie or make up their own psi numbers for the Wells report. It would have made their case a slam dunk. I mean they lie and twist the truth so frequently, why not just make this easy. They dug their own rabbit hole, why not just create another one that locks their “findings” to be air tight.

    Or Just say there was only one gauge. This would have been a piece of cake it they just thought it through. A little!
    Or not even print the Walt Anderson’s “best recollection”.

    There’s hundreds of these possibilities that they obviously controlled.

    I can’t get over how inept the NFL management team is!

  9. There is no arguing Brady’s conduct was not detrimental to the league. He acted as if he was bigger than the entire league. Tom Brady caused this situation with his arrogance and lying to investigators. I really do not see how anyone can say otherwise. 4 games for obstruction.

  10. That as a ‘settlement’ offer certainly illustrates the mind set of the league. It is also very telling as to how this escalated into the dog and pony show it is now. The league wanted a new precedent they could use to rewrite the law of the shop and if they could take down the biggest dog in the yard to get it all the better. What third string linebacker would challenge a ruling issued by a commissioner that already has Brady’s scalp hanging from his belt?

  11. Oh you mean the non-starter that Brady should admit, as per the Wells report, that he probably knew and failed to cooperate in accordance with the CBA? That unreasonable position?

  12. It’s becoming more and more likely there will be a work stoppage prior to the next CBA due to the players and league’s differences on Goodell’s power.

    That said, at what point are Goodell’s actions detrimental to the league? And who has legal authority to determine that in the CBA?

    There WILL be a work stoppage unless he voluntarily cedes power, what is more detrimental to the league than not playing?

    Goodell needs to go.

  13. What a circus.

    As a Ravens fan I think Brady is a sissy girl in the pocket, asking for any and every penalty.

    However, if the NFL has a rule about something it can 100% control (like the balls), then it is at fault for this even becoming an issue.

    I am a fan of the NFL because of the on the field product. The NFL changes that product every year and is now becoming an embarrassment off the field. In the age of the internet and 100’s of channel TV, the NFL is not the only game in town now. They better figure this out or the NBA, NHL, European Soccer and other sports will start eating their market share more than they already have.

    By the way, as a Ravens fan I think it is beyond laughable that, even though I believe he is guilty and hiding evidence, Brady was given a tougher punishment than Ray Rice was initially given. 4 games for flattening a ball, 2 for flattening a face.

  14. Roger, just take a $10M one-time pay cut, fire or pay cut your law staff, tells Wells he’s not getting any recommendations or future NFL business, and apologize to Brady and Kraft.

  15. The more you hear about this the more you have to hope that the judge will see this as a horrific abuse of power far outreaching what was understood and accepted by the NFLPA at the CBA settlement.
    The arrogance of Goodell and the NFL is beyond sickening and if our court system can’t reign them in what good is having a legal process?

  16. Protect the Shield. Pat’s are dirty from top to bottom. BTW, the Pat’s have already admitted guilt, fired employee’s involved and paid a huge fine.

  17. Goodell has gotten in too deep to get out now. ANY concession on his part will be a sign of weakness and empower the union. If the NFLPA wins this, they have basically changed the contract and taken power away from the NFL.

    The NFL made a tactical error by choosing this particular case, an unwinnable one, both in court and the court of public opinion.

  18. This may be only the beginning. At his point there doesn’t seem to be any reason for Brady to concede anything. Then regardless of the outcome of this deliberation, he has the makings of a pretty good defamation suit against the league and its minions and the other owners who have clearly played a role in this as well. Wonder what Roger’s reaction will be if he is named personally as a defendant in such a case. That would potentially put his own assets at risk.

  19. They know – everybody with a brain knows – that Brady was behind all this.

    The league isn’t going to just shy away from it. They want an admission if he wants to play sooner. Period.

    The integrity of the league is at stake. People watch, gamblers gamble, and advertisers rely on what we see on the screen as being on the up-and-up.

    Brady is just a pawn. The league will be fine with or without him. The owners support Goodell.

    And that’s just the way it is.

  20. Love it ! Goodell don’t back down one inch, you let them off easy with spygate by destroying the evidence and then they turn around and tuck it to you again and think they’re gonna get away with it.

  21. If I am Brady, I sue for defamation in Massachusetts.

    Judge Berman made Nash and the NFL look like idiots yesterday.

    The NFL thinks this is about enhancing the CBA. The judge told them it was a bout the facts concerning one game, the AFCCG.

  22. .
    How much of these legal gymnastics are aimed at derailing a Brady v Wells / NFL / ESPN defamation suit? Such a suit now seems inevitable.
    .

  23. I don`t know what`s worse their ignorance or their arrogance?They seemed stunned that the judge actually asked them about evidence.
    Evidence!We don`t need no stinking evidence.
    I`m Roger freakin Goodell!I make 40mil a year to make it up as i go.

  24. So lemme get this straight, you have no proof, but you expect Mr. Brady to kneel before Zod, and just accept a punishment that will leave other players in the future in the same boat? Yeah, that sounds very reasonable.This is going to be an epic beat-down for the NFL, all because they were stupid and botched the entire investigation.

    I really didn’t care one way or the other at the beginning, but now I am hoping Brady crushes the league on this one.

  25. So they wanted to settle without offering anything…Judge Bermans gonna love this ….first NO DIRECT EVIDENCE ….now a non failure to obey the negotiate in good faith on his orders…….cant wait …

  26. NFL : Your honor, Brady must accept guilt because of the following reasons:
    1) we found 11of 12 Patriots Ball to be 2PSI under inflated
    2) We found 100% prof that there was a link that Brady ordered the balls to be under inflated.
    3) Brady destroy his phone even though we ask him for it
    4) Patriots have film from a certain location since 1960
    5) The Patriots violate the Ineligible Receiver rule in 2014
    6) We punish Brady under a Secret Rule known to the NFL Office
    7) The Patriots could not defend our allegations about the 11 balls deflated by 2PSI.
    8) All Colts balls were inspected and found in compliance.
    9) we paid Ted Wells $5 million for a Report that suited our Requirements

    LMAO…. Onto #5 you Haters….

  27. I also believe that the NFL doesn’t expect any of the bs they are floating out publicly. It is all PR. They think the bold front works for them in the public eye, especially coming off so many loses in court.

    Whoever is calling the shots for the NFL is (1) power hungry, (2) evil, or (3) both.

  28. I wonder what the NFL has to pull out of it’s sleeve, if this goes too far for them. Would they introduce their investigation of the illegal radio signals into Foxboro, would they expound on the illegal ball replacement (which they mentioned in the ruling), would they discuss some of the video taping related incidents that happened with various teams (Green Bay, etc)? Would they do this to establish a pattern cheating (which they do have with the org), and in someway show how Brady was aware of it. Not to say that it can be proved that Brady was in any way aware of those situations, but that would serve to bolster their claims.

    The reasoning being: The NFL is not budging, and the Pats organization has a litany of shady stories (some proven). I’m curious what dirt the NFL has on them. If it goes nuclear, would they, at minimum, leak some of it. It’s always been in their interest to minimize the Pats wrongdoing, but they’re not above keeping it that way.

  29. If the NFL loses this case, on top of the Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson cases, then the embarrassing tenure of Goodell has to end. Professional football is the most popular sport in America because the most talented athletes in the world play in the NFL – not because of Goodell and his clueless honchos. Although, I believe that he thinks that the league can’t live without him!

  30. Brady would have as much chance as Tim Robbins’ character in Mystic River, admitting guilt for a crime he didn’t commit to Sean Penn as he held a gun to his head… who then shot him anyway afterward.

  31. Why would an innocent player accept any settlement. Is it logical for Tom Brady to now admit lying under oath and accept a two week ban so that his persecutor saves face? Please. Roger the Incompetent has dug himself an impossible hole to crawl out of and the league is praying this judge catches Rogers desperation Hail Mary. How can owners continue to fund such an incompetent League Office?

  32. Sounds like typical settlement talks. Ask for the sky and settle for a piece of land. Did Brady ask for total ownership of the NFL and all franchises? I am certain that is what Pats fans thinks he deserves.

  33. glad to see our court system being wasted on billionaire sport, millionaire commissioner, player and lawyers. Couldn’t think of a better way to spend our tax dollars, I am so glad the court schedule was cleared to handle this important dispute

  34. I’ve watched enough ‘Law and Order’ to know that no plea bargain starts with the defendant pleading innocent…

  35. All I can say is if your favorite team plays the NE Cheaters for next couple of seasons, hide you women and children. The NFL will cave on the cheating scandal, so the CHEATERS will be free to rape and pillage. Since the are obviously unable to determine fact from fiction, you’d better lock up anything that can be stolen, by permanently fasten it to the ground. This is exactly what a no class organization looks like.

    They are paying the price for their lying/cheating ways. Bele-cheat has trained them well.

  36. Someone should remind the money grubbing Goodell and the money grubbing owners that fans pay spend a ton of money on EVERYTHING NFL and it’s not because they want to see Goodell or because they care about the owners they do it because they want to see their stars their players play

  37. This is unprecedented whining at this point. The Patriots are forever tainted. I will die knowing that.

  38. Pats fans are seriously myopic & delusional for continuing to regurgitate this notion that Brady had nothing to do with his footballs being deflated to the point they were just how he likes them when gripping the football. The bottom line is, without an admission of guilt, there will be absolutely no reduction in suspension. That is non-negotiable. Now go thumbs down the cold hard truth. 🙂

  39. Hogs get slaughtered…. I love the NFL and I’m not a fan of the pats or Brady but it’s time the NFL got taken down a notch.

    It really sounds like this massive, powerful organization is filled with under qualified people throughout. Roger Goodell aside, the executives and top seat holders seem to have gotten their jobs through connections more so then talent. You would think the NFL could recruit top executives instead of cherry picking team executes who prob got those initial positions via connections and family.

  40. I’m starting to believe that the NFL will never settle. They will lose this round with Berman, and then appeal, dragging this out endlessly because this case is no longer about deflated footballs and is now 100% about future enforcement of the CBA regarding player conduct as seen through the eyes of the commish.

    Brady went from alleged (and many believed) cheater to now being the face of the NFLPA players fight in a battle that is going to have ramifications well up to the next CBA negotiation and likely into the history of the league forever.

    He’s never going to accept anything that compromises any player’s rights under the CBA and ultimately, when you put aside his career, with all the Super Bowls and on field success, this fight with the NFL may be his true legacy.

  41. Tom, just fess up and take your lumps. It’ll only tarnish your legacy a little bit. I really have a lot more to lose than you if the decision doesn’t go my way. I paid $5 million of the owners’ money and I can’t come away empty-handed.

    Seriously, Tom. I fear for my safety, and my kneecaps, if I don’t make good on their investment.

    Please Tom? Please????

    — Roger Goodell

  42. Wonder how much the NFL’s position has to do with the sort of undermining of the Well’s report which would theoretically empower Kraft to pursue relief from the team sanctions. Hmmm.

  43. “Per a source with knowledge of the situation…”

    Obviously not Chris Mortensen, who has emerged as an unwitting(?) PR flack for the NFL.

  44. If he was innocent he would have cooperated fully. If he had nothing to hide this would be over. He didn’t so he is likely guilty, and sorry isnt getting the benefit of the doubt.

    Cant wait till he and forehead are out of the league and we can move on.

  45. This is absurd. How can anybody think that Brady is at fault in all of this with the pure malarkey coming out of the NFL?

    Their offer isn’t an olive branch, they want total victory to make up for the farce of an investigation that this was. Even if Brady is partially guilty, he hasn’t changed his stance on things as much as this turd of a league has.

    I hope Goodell falls apart after this whole thing.

  46. Impossible to settle this case. Brady can’t accept anything less than an exoneration to protect its legacy and the NFL must see it through to at the very least pretend it cares about league integrity.

  47. HAHAHAHA. Roger Goodell thinks hes bigger than Tom Brady. I love watching individuals eat humble pie. It’s going to be great watching Roger’s concession press conference as he stands there like a defeated politician in an election.

  48. Goodell oversees the integrity of the NFL. Berman oversees the integrity of contractual arbitration when it comes before his court. The latter trumps the former.

    When will Goodell understand that the way to avoid going to court is to avoid doing things that get you there?

  49. There’s a scene in A Bronx Tale where an aggressive biker gang [NFL] storms into a bar and disrespects the owner.
    After some more teasing and underestimating the target, there is finally a response.
    The door is closed and the barkeep says, “Now you can’t leave”.

  50. I wonder how Judge Berman feels about the NFL’s ‘barginaining’ being tied to additional capitulation by the NFLPA. That’s like complaining about the NFLPA filing a lawsuit because it’s about a “labor dispute” and then making it into one.

    Spoiler alert: No judge wants to be in the middle of a labor dispute.

  51. It took 5 rounds of balloting before Goodell was finally voted in as Commissioner, and even then 8 teams voted against him (Raiders also abstained). I think it would be very interesting to compare those teams against Roger’s subsequent hitlist.

  52. Why should the NFL settle, they have the CBA on their side.

    If Brady didn’t destroy his cell phone and the diet guy named Deflator wasn’t direct proof, so what? There is plenty of circumstantial evidence including the fact that the Patriots cheated before.

  53. Collective Bargaining was collectively bargained.

    Is Brady attempting to undo the whole labor agreement that was put into place?

    This judge can’t just decide that the part that gives Roger Goodell the authority to make bad decisions at will is illegal, can he?

    Conduct detrimental to the league is pretty broad language that would seem to cover anything the leagues believes is not in its best interest.

  54. How’s this for a settlement offer it only has 2 components:

    1) Brady sits the 4 games, but admits no guilt

    2) Goodell, Kensil, Grigson, Brown, Wells, Irsay, Jerruh, Bisciotti, and Mara all hand over their cell phones so that we can have a look at just how busy they’ve been.

  55. Actually, that’s exactly what a settlement is. I agree to X if you agree to Y. Just because you don’t agree with one side or the others settlement requirements doesn’t mean they’re not willing to settle.

    This whole thing is the NFLPA’s own fault for agreeing to give all power in these matters to Goodell. In the end that’s all that matters here and the NFLPA will lose.

  56. In the future, I hope for something like this:

    A two-tier discipline system, one for off-the-field transgressions (DUI, domestic violence, etc) and the other protecting the integrity of the game (spy-gate, deflate-gate, PED’s).

    I’d think a competent Commish’s Office should absolutely get the final say on the second tier. I think he has no business ruling on the first. Set up an independent tribunal (one league guy, one NLFPA guy, and one person agreed to by both parties) to review the evidence and rule.

    I hate that we are tying up a federal judge’s docket with such trivial crap. There are more important things to deal with and the NFL gets to jump to the head of the line because game time is at stake. Priorities.

  57. It AMAZES me that there are people who despite the NFL getting caught in multiple lies, a bogus Well$ report, and proof that all original reports were false, still can’t get the Pats/Brady credit. These must be the small percentage who believe Elvis and Tupac are alive and Santa Clause is a real person.

  58. So Goodell went into Wednesday demanding that Brady accept the findings of the Wells Report and left Wednesday with Judge Berman saying the Wells Report is a piece of crap. Kudos Rog!

  59. my analogy for the haters

    every night they go to be claiming the sun will rise in the west. every morning they wake look at the sun rising in the east, and still claim they know it really rises in the west.

    there is no proof brady wanted the balls set BELOW 12.5 psig, none.

  60. After all Bob Kraft and Tom Brady have done for the NFL, Kraft must be wondering how so many could have the knives out for them. Envy is a strong and ugly emotion. I hope Brady beats then in court and on the field.

    Kessler was spot on when he said this was the most overblown case in his professional history.

  61. Everyone knows that the Wells report is junk, but the NFL doesnt care. They still want Brady to accept it. What a joke.

    I wish I paid more attention to Bountygate and Bullygate. I didnt know the NFL was this low.

  62. People who argue that the NFLPA collectively bargained Goodell’s power don’t understand that they did not negotiate away the right to a fair appeal. Goodell has right to hear the appeal, but a judge has the right and, in this case looks like will exercise the right, to overturn him if he feels that Goodell abused the process and didn’t give Brady a fair appeal.

  63. These demnds that the NFL are making have nothing to do with a settlement it’s flat out extortion. I hope this judge exposes Goodell and everything he is up to. Brady should file a civil suit against the NFL for their actions here.

  64. You can’t fabricate evidence, you can’t repeatedly lie, you can’t call an investigation independent when it’s not, and you make up punishment when the CBA defines that and where there is precedent.
    It goes to consistency and fairness through the process.
    The CBA can’t circumvent those things.

    Further, the judge demanded good faith negotiations between the 2 sides and the NFL decided to make a mockery of it.

  65. Goodell doubled down on stupid months ago and the fact that he DID NOT WANT the sworn testimony of McNally and Jastremski – who he previously questioned FOUR times with no admission of anything tells you a lot

    The Judge clearly feels there’s no evidence against Brady.

    What the Judge SHOULD do is have Walt Anderson testify under oath regarding his “best recollection” that the NFL rejected

    The haters LOVE to ignore the fact that the NFL ACCEPTED Anderson’s best recollection when it came to recalling 24 individual specific PSI readings

    The NFL felt he suddenly developed Alzheimers when he stated he used the gauge that showed there was no deflation (the one pivotal fact)

    The fact that the Brady-haters think that sounds about right tells you all you need to know about them

  66. The judge would really like to embarrass the NFL into a settlement, that’s obvious, and I think he’s giving them the chance to do it now after he’s simply poked holes in their Deflategate nonsense, and before he begins to poke holes in their interpretation of the powers granted under the CBA. Goodell would be smart to take Brady’s offer of a fine at this point.

  67. Goodell took a lot of flack from the owners when he destroyed Spygate evidence( and don’t insult me with it was about having a camera three feet from what was allowed- it was mostly about Ernie Adams communicating defensive calls to Brady’s helmet pre-snap)three days AFTER he ruled on it, and he is gonna stand his ground and try and stick it to NE finally.
    IMO if Brady is in street clothes for the opener that will be epic/awesome and if Goodell can manage to get himself fired that will be icing on the cake.

  68. I’ve tried to follow this but now I have to say I’m lost.

    First, I thought the CBA gave Goodell the authority to decide punishment. Now I know courts have overruled those punishments in previous cases, but I never understood under what grounds? Again, I thought the CBA said Roger is God essentially – for good or bad (though mostly bad, that’s what the players agreed to. I didn’t know there was a legal way out of the CBA.)

    Second, it sounds like the court is reviewing the charges against Brady, the validity of the Wells report, the basis for the punishment etc. Given the CBA, is that really a court matter?

    Finally, and related to both points above – shouldn’t’ the judge be looking only at the law, and not whether he personally feels one side or the other is right? Or less wrong?

    It just feels like the judge wants to unilaterally decide what, if any punishment Brady should get. Despite the fact that the CBA gives Roger that right.

    Post-script: I also don’t understand what the point is for the NFL to fight this so strongly. I can only assume several powerful owners want this; or that no powerful owners except Kraft are against it.

  69. Berman also made Kessler look like an idiot. He told him to chill out and such. Anyway, Patriots fans believe what they want to believe. Eventually we all have to give up our fantasies though. On PFT, the way to get thumbs up is to say Brady is infallible. The mindset has been made up here for months. Sad

  70. The reasoning being: The NFL is not budging, and the Pats organization has a litany of shady stories (some proven). I’m curious what dirt the NFL has on them. If it goes nuclear, would they, at minimum, leak some of it. It’s always been in their interest to minimize the Pats wrongdoing, but they’re not above keeping it that way.
    ===
    None of which matters. It may have started as 31 v 1, but it’s now 1952* v 32. That the NFL might pull out “dirt” its hidden on NE (by which you mean BB and the org – not Brady) doesn’t matter to Brady and it doesn’t matter to the NFLPA. And you know what? Brady’s been a loyal player and Pat for 15 years. He’s done what’s best for the team for 15 years, so if he wants to be “selfish” and fight the league for himself and all players – to the detriment of the club – he’s earned that right.

    *Give or take a few practice squaders and players who will be cut before the season starts.

  71. whitetrash69 says:
    Aug 13, 2015 11:42 AM
    There is no arguing Brady’s conduct was not detrimental to the league. He acted as if he was bigger than the entire league. Tom Brady caused this situation with his arrogance and lying to investigators. I really do not see how anyone can say otherwise. 4 games for obstruction.

    ——————

    Brady’s conduct? What would that be….beating your team like a drum for the last 14 years?

  72. It’s pretty obvious how this is all going to end: Goodell and the league refuse to back down, Brady obviously will not either because he’s innocent, the court rules against the league and throws out the suspension and Goodell gets to thump his chest and say he refused to back down to the Patriots. Doing this just allows him to look stupid. Were he to back down and rescind the suspension, that makes him look stupid and weak. I’m sure he figured it’s better to go down in a blaze of glory in a courtroom rather than being broken by Kraft and the Patriots. Either way, he dragged the league through the mud and I think the owners should seriously consider cleaning house and bringing in completely new league management.

  73. I’ve never seen a party have less of a case yet feel like they are in the drivers seat. “We have no evidence…but we know he did it because he hasn’t admitted it and he destroyed his phone that we had no right to see”. The NFL is so removed from reality on this one. They should have just fined him what the fined favre and then announced new and enhanced game day testing of air pressure because the system in place was ridiculous. Thry might as well have had Mr Whipple from the old “don’t squeeze the Charmin” testing the balls by hand, I’ve seen 5 different accounts of which balls were underinflated, when and by how much. Complete farce, Brady should get $50k fine n move on

  74. dave4nyfg says:
    Aug 13, 2015 12:42 PM
    Umm, so what was Brady’s settlement offer that wasn’t a non-starter for the league?

    ————-
    He offered to not run up the score when the Patriots play the Colts and the Jets this season.

  75. I always thought that the people in power of huge multi billion dollar corporations like the NFL had to be smarter than the average person. How else would someone rise to that level if they weren’t well educated and capable of rational thinking?

    So now I sit here and I think about all the things that have happened since that fateful thrashing of the Indianapolis Colts by the New England Patriots in the AFCCG. I think about how the initial reports indicated that the Patriots balls were measured in at 10.5 PSI and one was as low as 10.1, while all the Colts balls were within the legal threshold. I remember thinking that if a linebacker like D’Qwell Jackson noticed the difference, then Tom Brady should have noticed. I remember thinking that it was silly to be concerned about the air pressure in footballs, but that Brady should just sheepishly admit it, flash his dimples, accept a fine and move on.

    But that was long before the real story came out. Now we can sit back and see that the lies haven’t been coming from Brady and the Patriots, the lies have been coming from the NFL and Roger Goodell.

    11 of 12 Patriots footballs 2 PSI below limit-
    FALSE

    D’Qwell Jackson noticed the difference-
    FALSE

    All the Colts balls were legal-
    FALSE

    Brady didn’t cooperate fully-
    FALSE

    Brady and Jastremski only discussed football preparation for the Super Bowl when the met after the AFCCG-
    FALSE

    Brady destroyed evidence that he knew Wells wanted-
    FALSE

    The NFLPA and Brady wanted the appeal transcript sealed to the public-
    FALSE

    The Ted Wells investigation was an independent investigation-
    FALSE

    What lies has Tom Brady been caught telling?
    NONE

    If that list isn’t enough to convince people that Deflategate is actually Framegate, nothing will.

  76. jaxon51 says:
    Aug 13, 2015 12:39 PM
    Goodell took a lot of flack from the owners when he destroyed Spygate evidence( and don’t insult me with it was about having a camera three feet from what was allowed- it was mostly about Ernie Adams communicating defensive calls to Brady’s helmet pre-snap)three days AFTER he ruled on it, and he is gonna stand his ground and try and stick it to NE finally.
    IMO if Brady is in street clothes for the opener that will be epic/awesome and if Goodell can manage to get himself fired that will be icing on the cake.

    – it was mostly about Ernie Adams communicating defensive calls to Brady’s helmet pre-snap)

    Except that never happened!
    The stuff CRYBABY NATION makes up.

  77. This type of behavior by the NFL can’t be sitting well with Berman. He tells them to settle, and then the NFL’s first demand is a hard stance that Brady perjure himself openly. That’s clearly not in good faith, and I think with Kessler’s answer yesterday about how Brady could’ve handled the Wells interview better shows that one side is listening to judge and the other side isn’t. That’s why I believe the league is on track to lose in court. How do people this stupid make so much money?

  78. seahawkboymike says:
    Aug 13, 2015 12:09 PM
    Why should the NFL settle? Brady is guilty and they’ll win on appeal no matter what this judge rules.

    —————–
    You still crying’ Mike? The only thing of which Brady is guilty is torching Seattle’s D and exposing the legion of boom as frauds!

  79. Question for those that believe guilt:

    Did you read any of the science involved? Do you believe that McNally deflated footballs 0.3-0.5 psi as the Wells Report claims? That’s more believable than Anderson using the gauge he remembers using (and the gauge that matches the Colts sideline gauge), showing 0 deflation?

    How can you simply wash over this FACT and believe a proven group of liars? If the balls are not deflated, what are we talking about?

  80. whitetrash69 says:
    Aug 13, 2015 11:42 AM

    There is no arguing Brady’s conduct was not detrimental to the league. He acted as if he was bigger than the entire league. Tom Brady caused this situation with his arrogance and lying to investigators. I really do not see how anyone can say otherwise. 4 games for obstruction.

    ___

    I say otherwise. I say the league made up the whole darned thing and you followed along like a puppy.

  81. whitetrash69 says: 4 games for obstruction.
    ——————

    For not giving up the cellphone Ted Wells repeatedly told him the NFL did not want and did not need?

    Fine – I can live with that

    As long as Roger Goodell is fired

    Because he refused to give up his Cellphone when former FBI Agent Robert Mueller was conducting his investigation of Goodell

    You haters don’t recognize the irony of that obviously – or the fact that the LAST thing Goodell wanted was the sworn testimony under penality of perjury of McNally and Jastremski

    It also doesn’t seem the least bit odd to you either that the NFL accepts Anderson’s recollection from memory of 24 PSI readings – but they reject his memory that he used the gague showing NO DEFLATION either

  82. @padronebadfather

    The truth has been known here for months. Only now is the national media catching on. Sucks to believe something that is being proven false day by day, huh? Sorry, the Patriots are good because they are good, nothing to do with air pressure bud.

  83. Collective Bargaining was collectively bargained.
    ===
    This isn’t covered by Article 46 of the CBA. Even if Brady needled the balls himself, it’s not an issue for integrity of the game. It’s just an equipment violation: punishable by a fine. Goodell is attempting to expand the reach of Article 46. He’ll fail, just as he has every time before.

    What is Article 46 for? Point shaving. Match fixing. Not football inflation.

  84. jtbsteeler says:
    Aug 13, 2015 11:57 AM
    This is unprecedented whining at this point. The Patriots are forever tainted. I will die knowing that.

    and that you lost to Tim Tebow

  85. Goodell needs to go! He has been a black eye on the NFL since his arrival! His struggle to be judge, jury and executioner is getting old. His penalties have been set without merit or in some cases even proof. Time to move on, I say.

  86. Like most fans I dislike Rodger Goodell, but that doesn’t mean he is treating Brady any differently than he did Roethlisberger or anyone else who he feels has tarnished the shield. Hell Roethlisberger wasn’t even charged, and got 6 games. What Brady did was tampering with the integrity of the game. Bottom line 31 teams gave Goodell this Power, and now because its his Royal Highness Tom Brady that power should be taken away? I’ve heard a lot of griping over Goodell, but now all of a sudden PFT and the rest of the NFL reporters/analysts want to jump on the Free Tom Brady band wagon. A lot of players have been punished under the same CBA rules, and its only an issue now because of it being Brady?

  87. Amazing how many haters are still holed up in their hater caves. From the beginning, Pats fans, and objective football fans in general, have been mocked and ridiculed for ignoring the whole “mountain of evidence” against Brady and the Pats. Well… We are now getting to know just exactly what that mountain is truly made of. Yet the cave trolls still point to it and say Brady’s guilty or Brady’s a cheater.

    Wake up, haters, and realize the reality train left your station a LOOOOONG time ago. You just look foolish now.

  88. Judge is probably still scratching his head,

    7 months, 3 million $, false information leaked over and over, your own guy does the investigation, you help him re-write his homework, you appoint yourself the arbitrator

    and you still have no direct evidence

    what could be more fair than that?

  89. mdd913 says:
    Aug 13, 2015 11:34 AM
    Goodell only knows how to double down. He literally has no other strategy. What a dunce he has turned out to be.
    ______________________________
    And only Saudi princes have the financial where withal to double down on each hand. But Goodell the narcissist thinks its OK to double down with the owners money. And so far, the owners are letting him.

  90. valentino8100 says:
    Aug 13, 2015 12:03 PM
    Wonder how much the NFL’s position has to do with the sort of undermining of the Well’s report which would theoretically empower Kraft to pursue relief from the team sanctions. Hmmm.

    That ship has sailed. Kraft only gets relief if he decides to bring it to court. Which he won’t do.

  91. So let me get this straight…

    The NFL admits in court to Judge Berman that they have zero evidence that Brady did anything wrong during the AFC Championship game.

    And we have documented proof that they allowed false information to be leaked to ESPN, knew that it was false, and refused all requests to correct the false information.

    We also have a statement by Ted Wells during the appeals hearing that he believes that Jastremski was being truthful when he stated in his texts that Brady wanted the footballs set to the legal level of 13 PSI.

    And based on all of the above, the NFL wants Brady to admit guilt? And in exchange for admitting guilt, they MIGHT consider lowering the penalties?

    We may very well be witnessing the worst settlement pitch in the history of the legal system.

  92. Roger is too dumb to realize he’s holding the losing hand. The judge tried to tell him that, but he’s too stupid to get it.

  93. Tom Brady testified under oath that he didn’t tell anyone to deflate footballs and, to his knowledge, no deflation took place. The NFL wants him to accept the Wells Report. If Brady does that, he is open to a perjury charge, so that’s a nonstarter and the NFL knows it.

    So much for upholding the integrity of the shield.

  94. mrmcdougal: what are these mutiple “shady” things that have been “proven.”?

    Spygate…

    ______

    Yeah quite a history of wrongdoing….

  95. whitetrash69 says:
    Aug 13, 2015 11:42 AM

    There is no arguing Brady’s conduct was not detrimental to the league. He acted as if he was bigger than the entire league. Tom Brady caused this situation with his arrogance and lying to investigators. I really do not see how anyone can say otherwise. 4 games for obstruction

    ————–

    The NFL’s lawyer Daniel Nash admitted to Judge Berman yesterday that they do not have any proof Brady did anything.

    They convicted him on a “we think he might have” basis. If you want to know whose conduct is detrimental to the league, look first at Goodell, Pash, Vincent, Kensil, Nash, Wells, and Reisner.

    Not sure if anyone could do more damage to the league regarding this issue than these bozos have.

    Integrity: adherence to moral and ethical principles; soundness of moral character; honesty. Uh…not this crew.

  96. G.C.O.T. = Greatest Commissioner OF all Time

    I love this!!! Anyone that can keep Marcia, the pats and best of all their delusional fans in a frenzy for this long gets my vote. The other owners are loving it and patting him on the back. There is no chance Rogeris going anywhere.

    The deflator comment is enough to show to what extent Marcia and the Pats will go to try and weasel their way out of it. From that point on everything else was suspect at best. I bet his real name isn’t even Tom Brady.

    You can twist it all you want, but the NFL has not lied. A few reporters had some bad sources that they trusted. And the NFL sees and interprets things differently than Marcia. But that doesn’t make them liars. Too bad Marcia can’t say the same thing… Oh wait, yes he could but it wouldn’t be the truth.

  97. It doesn’t even phase me anymore, what an enormous disconnect there is between peoples understanding of labor law and criminal law. Understand this if you understand nothing else. A judges only interest should be that the law is followed as opposed to justice. See the difference? Tom Brady is bound by the CBA. Roger Goodell is the administrator of the CBA. That no evidence of the alleged act has been demonstrated is of very little consequence in this particular matter. Unfortunately for Tom Brady, justice, in this case, is as likely as the Jets reeling off back to back to back Super Bowl victories. Once Brady elected to ignore his obligation to cooperate, his fate was sealed in this matter. Even if you subscribe to the theory that this whole fiasco began because haters tossed Goodell a red herring to feed the rest of us, to get everyone off his back for all his missteps over the course of his tenure, Brady still defecated in his own mess kit by admittedly “destroying” his phone. Sure, it all stinks, justice, being blind, got a whiff of it long ago, and ain’t coming near it. That’s just the nature of the way things is.

  98. seahawkboymike:

    Yup, the NFL will win on appeal. Because on appeal the judges just won’t care that the NFL had admitted it has no direct evidence that Brady did anything wrong.

    Perhaps seahawk fans can concentrate on their team’s efforts to win on the field instead of winning by having its opponent’s qb suspended for something he didn’t do.

  99. Hell Roethlisberger wasn’t even charged, and got 6 games.

    A lot of players have been punished under the same CBA rules, and its only an issue now because of it being Brady?
    ===
    Maybe, maybe not. You have to pick the right plaintiff and case. Rosa Parks wasn’t the first person to not give up her seat in Montgomery, but she was considered an ideal plaintiff to fight bus segregation*. Similarly Golden Boy Tom Brady is probably considered a better vehicle than Rothlisberger by the NFLPA for pressing back against Goodell’s Reign of Terror.

    I’m not saying it’s fair, but it is good lawyering.

    *Ironically, a less-ideal plaintiff, Mary Louise Smith, was party to Browder v Gayle, which overturned bus segregation laws in AL while Parks’ case bogged down in courts.

  100. Even assuming the NFL has the right to determine what conduct is detrimental to the league and determine the punishment, there must be SOME EVIDENCE that the conduct actually occurred. Suppose Goodell suspends Aaron Rodgers for a year for betting on games. Even though the NFL can determine that betting on games is conduct detrimental, and that a year is proper punishment, there MUST BE SOME EVIDENCE that Rodgers, you know, actually bet on games. That is what the NFL (and many commenters) are missing in the Brady case. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE that Brady was involved in a scheme to deflate, and certainly not the “clear preponderance” of evidence required by the CBA. Roger may be all-powerful, but he can’t suspend players when there is no evidence. That is what Judge Berman was saying yesterday.

  101. The one thing that can’t be denied by Patsfan or Hater alike on this

    One person has been PROVEN to have consistently lied throughout this process

    Roger Goodell

    He’s now been caught on multiple occasions – called out by US District Court Judge Barbara Jones who found Ray Rice more credible than Goodell

    And now caught lying in his Appeal ruling thanks to the release of the Brady transcripts – not to mention he and his office leaking the “11 of 12” and not correcting their libel for 4 months

    Article VIII of the NFL Constitution says the NFL can only have a Commissioner with “unquestioned integrity” – but the owners don’t want a commissioner with unquestioned integrity – that’s clear

  102. We clearly have a psychopath, power-hungry dictator running the NFL. Is this what the players want? Goodell must resign NOW. I’m sure most players would agree.

  103. ravensruleall:

    No, the NFL did not say they want Brady to admit that he “probably knew”, they want him to say he did it. So they want him to admit to a CRIME (i.e. perjury) which is a felony.

    Yeah, “nonstarter” sounds like the appropriate term.

  104. for2with3pointlead says:
    Aug 13, 2015 1:54 PM
    It doesn’t even phase me anymore, what an enormous disconnect there is between peoples understanding of labor law and criminal law. Understand this if you understand nothing else. A judges only interest should be that the law is followed as opposed to justice. See the difference? Tom Brady is bound by the CBA. Roger Goodell is the administrator of the CBA. That no evidence of the alleged act has been demonstrated is of very little consequence in this particular matter. Unfortunately for Tom Brady, justice, in this case, is as likely as the Jets reeling off back to back to back Super Bowl victories. Once Brady elected to ignore his obligation to cooperate, his fate was sealed in this matter. Even if you subscribe to the theory that this whole fiasco began because haters tossed Goodell a red herring to feed the rest of us, to get everyone off his back for all his missteps over the course of his tenure, Brady still defecated in his own mess kit by admittedly “destroying” his phone. Sure, it all stinks, justice, being blind, got a whiff of it long ago, and ain’t coming near it. That’s just the nature of the way things is.

    Wrong!!!!!

    He has already lost 2 cases trying to hide behind article 46.

    Several sports law attorneys have come out today and said just because it’s in the CBA doesn’t mean what he says goes.

    He still has to display fair judgment. He hasn’t.
    RG lied in his 20 page report

    the commissioner still has to follow due process as outlined in the CBA, the NFL did not do that.

    The people who say the CBA is iron clad are wrong.

  105. gofor2with3pointlead:

    Glad to know what you think the judge “should” be considering.

    However, just because the players’ union agreed to the CBA does not mean Goodell can do whatever the hell he wants.

    Imagine he just said – out of the blue – I think Brady used underinflated footballs in the Super Bowl. I have no proof, but the union signed the CBA so Brady is suspended for the 2015 season.

    Imagine that goes to Court and the NFL says – “no your honor, Roger has no evidence, but the CBA says he can punish as he pleases, so please uphold what Roger did.”

    Do you honestly think a Judge would uphold that? Your logic and position suggests the Court would uphold that. But no Court would uphold that.

  106. jtbsteeler says:
    Aug 13, 2015 11:57 AM
    This is unprecedented whining at this point. The Patriots are forever tainted. I will die knowing that.
    _______________________________
    Come on. I know for a fact that you have already changed your will naming Brady as your sole beneficiary.

  107. wacollin says:
    Aug 13, 2015 1:54 PM

    You can twist it all you want, but the NFL has not lied. A few reporters had some bad sources that they trusted.
    ________________________

    And who do you think that bad source was?

    The Patriots are not going to create a leak to the press with false data that makes them look far worse than the actual facts.

    That leaves Goodell and the NFL. Who had the real data, chose to ignore it and created a story that made the Patriot’s guilt look certain by falsifying how much PSI had been lost from the footballs.

    So yes, the NFL lied. And when caught in the lie, they refused multiple times to correct the lie.

    Because without their lies, the NFL has no case.

  108. When somebody sends me a text, it stays on my phone. The NFL had the phones of the ball boys yet people need to have Brady’s phone. If he texted them,it would be on those phones and deleting a text does not mean it is gone forever if you know anything about technology.
    You trolls will grasp at anything. By the way, why has Goodell lied during this investigation if his case is as good as you trolls think?
    Can you also explain why the Wells report did not include anything from the 2 ball boys? Maybe they had nothing that would help the NFL set up Brady and is probably why they are not being asked to appear in court by the NFL. I know, you don’t want facts to get in the way of your trolling. Did you see the size of those Super Bowl rings?

  109. I still cannot believe how many fans from teams that Brady and the Patriots have been beating like a drum as still crying. Would you not rather your teams man up and compete? Have you asked yourselves why your teams as so uncompetitive year after year?

  110. PFT continually giving Patricheat fans false hope is just cruel. Everyone knows he did it, but the anti-NFL propaganda spewed by certain media entities perpetuates his support to continue the fight, which in turn deteriorates what little chance he has of actually shortening the suspension. In other words, it’s a self-destructive endeavor by Patricheat fans to argue that he should continue the fight, which will in-turn result in him not receiving a reduction of the full 4 games suspension. If you cared about your team, you Patri-cheat fans would support him admitting to his guilt so your team could then get him on the field sooner. This foolish, self-destructive position isn’t helping him, the team or yourselves. Because in the end, the NFL has the authority, which will be proven shortly. You should take what you can get & run with it.

  111. wacollin says: You can twist it all you want, but the NFL has not lied. A few reporters had some bad sources that they trusted.
    =============================

    Chris Mortensen has confirmed, and re-confirmed, on the record, that his source for the 11 of 12 misinformation was “multiple NFL sources” whom he double checked with

    So there’s no question that the NFL was lying there as the source of that misinformation and Dave Gardi wrote “11 of 12, 2lbs under” in his letter to the Patriots – another lie

    But if you want to throw that out, fine. Every reporter knows that Goodell was caught in a lie in his 20 page decision stating that Brady denied he’d spoken to Jastremski regarding the DeflateGate allegations. The transcript shows that Brady stated he HAD discussed the allegations a total of 8 times – and Goodell lied about it

    A US District Court Judge also rejected Goodell’s contention that he had no idea Ray Rice had beaten his girlfriend unconscious when he handed out his 2 game suspension (it was in the police report)

    If all of that strikes you as Goodell having “unquestioned integrity” then he’s not in violation of Article VIII of the NFL Constitution – but I contend his integrity is VERY much in question and by the Owners own bylaws, he must be replaced

  112. Marcia chose to play martyr because he was bigger than the League. What did he expect, this is what happens to martyrs.
    ===
    You mean Jan.

    Jan is the one who’s always whining about Marcia.

  113. Pats fan here
    Brady did something…not sure exactly what but a qb knows what’s up with the footballs. That being said, the NFL really screwed this up. Basically it’s the good guy turning bad to catch the offender in the act…then again not sure if goodell was ever good. Goodell is toast

  114. @ dontletfactsgetintheway says: Aug 13, 2015 2:29 PM

    When somebody sends me a text, it stays on my phone. The NFL had the phones of the ball boys yet people need to have Brady’s phone. If he texted them,it would be on those phones and deleting a text does not mean it is gone forever if you know anything about technology.
    ________________________________

    Your input doesn’t include the question of who all was involved. Brady’s phone would have shown who all he texted regarding deflated footballs, not just the ball boys (Belicheat for example). It’s been reported that there was data tags on the texts on JJ’s & JM’s phones which could not be tracked to those other phones. It was expected that Brady’s phone would have provided the answers to these other data tags. That is why Brady refused to turn over & eventually destroyed his phone. It would have proven his guilt and implicated others.

  115. wacollin says:
    Aug 13, 2015 1:54 PM

    You can twist it all you want, but the NFL has not lied. A few reporters had some bad sources that they trusted.

    ———-

    according to the Wells Report, the only people in the room when they tested the balls at halftime were a few league execs and game officials. everyone else was kicked out of the room.

    so one of those people (all league employees) either blabbed to Mort or blabbed to another league employee that blabbed to Mort, because the Mort rePort stated that is was per “league sources”

  116. If the article is correct, this whole case was about a power grab by Goodell and the owners. They had flimsy evidence but were looking for a case to get back the power they’ve lost in the courts in BountyGate, Ray Rice and Peterson. Brady is just a convenient excuse for them. They don’t have him telling anyone to do anything, don’t have any communications about footballs for the AFCCG, don’t have anyone talking about breaking the rules, and the PSI can be explained by weather. Weakest case in history. Even a 71 year-old judge saw through it.

  117. plarkin – Well stated!

    plarkin88 says:
    Aug 13, 2015 12:01 PM

    I’m starting to believe that the NFL will never settle. They will lose this round with Berman, and then appeal, dragging this out endlessly because this case is no longer about deflated footballs and is now 100% about future enforcement of the CBA regarding player conduct as seen through the eyes of the commish.

    Brady went from alleged (and many believed) cheater to now being the face of the NFLPA players fight in a battle that is going to have ramifications well up to the next CBA negotiation and likely into the history of the league forever.

    He’s never going to accept anything that compromises any player’s rights under the CBA and ultimately, when you put aside his career, with all the Super Bowls and on field success, this fight with the NFL may be his true legacy.

  118. The dishonest actions of NFL LEAGUE OFFICE have made me start to hate the NFL.

    Way to go creepy goodell.

  119. Hhmmm… this whole mess has now turned into a “POWER PLAY”, attempting to protect Goodell.

    At first, the NFL jumped to conclusions after measuring the pressure in footballs. Those Idiots didn’t know PSI goes down as temp. drops.

    Leaking false info to Mort made it appear someone had done something wrong, influencing public opinion.

    False info was also given to the Patriots,,, intending to keep them quiet.

    Wells “independent Investigation” turned out to be a “Scam”

    with the NFL now admitting it was not “Independent”.

    NFL went to Federal Court… attempting to control the hearing by saying the only issue to be considered was Rule 46/Goodell being final arbitrator.

    Judge digs deeper… and deeper, asking “Where’s the proof”

    Oops… Goodell made another huge mistake…

    un-ringing the bell with inflation gate isn’t going to happen…

    Dirty laundry continues to pile up,

    and everyone gets a good show.

  120. Hmmmm…so the NFL isn’t putting out real settlement offers, yet Brady hasn’t budged from his intransigent position this entire time (NO admission of guilt, NO games suspended, ONLY willing to pay a fine.) Right. Got it.

  121. sbaltimore says:
    Aug 13, 2015 3:33 PM

    Hmmmm…so the NFL isn’t putting out real settlement offers, yet Brady hasn’t budged from his intransigent position this entire time (NO admission of guilt, NO games suspended, ONLY willing to pay a fine.) Right. Got it.

    _________

    If you have been following the news, you would know that the judge said there is no finding against Brady via the Wells report. Why? Because he saw Wells for who he really was, a paid private prosecutor and is basically saying that the Wells report is not worth the paper it was printed on. The NFL says there is no proof of guilt and basically saying that their only defense is that the CBA allows them to do whatever they want. If you were Brady and the NFL insists that you admit guilt and agree to the Wells report that the Judge has deemed to be inmaterial. Why would you even consider such a thing? Additionally, the Brady camp has not stated their position, other than that will not agree to the NFL offer, which is nothing more than pouring gasoline over yourself and setting yourself on fire. The tone of the hearings tells you who the Judge considers intransigent, and it is not Brady.

  122. padronebradfather says:
    Aug 13, 2015 12:52 PM

    Berman also made Kessler look like an idiot. He told him to chill out and such. Anyway, Patriots fans believe what they want to believe. Eventually we all have to give up our fantasies though. On PFT, the way to get thumbs up is to say Brady is infallible. The mindset has been made up here for months. Sad
    —————————-

    And the Hater Faithful believe what the NFL wants them to believe, which is really sad.

  123. There are many things in the Well’s report and appeal that the Pats fans do not agree with this doesn’t make them lies. It’s a difference of opinion as to what the commissioner could/can do. It is not a lie.

    Unless the NFL punished a story where they said the balls were under 2 lbs they did not lie. You don’t know who the source was and what was said. Maybe to him it was obvious he was exaggerating and didn’t think anyone would run with it. Saying it over and over doesn’t make it a lie. If the Well’s report said we have an unnamed source that was in the bathroom with Brady and the ball guy and they lowered the pressure themselves would you accept that unnamed source. No of course not.

    Brady and the Pats outright lied, withheld and destroyed information and refused to make people available again when asked. Leaves a whole lots of unanswered questions. If it was so easy to contact all of the text numbers and get their phones, why did Brady and his people not do that for the NFL? No one ever said we don’t need your phone with no strings attached. He knew this was going beyond Wells, he had been trying to scare the NFL about going to court for months.

    Again you may not agree with Goodell but that is a difference of opinion. The Ray rice or other cases have nothing to do about this one.

    There was no sting. You may read into the Wells report that the balls were not inflated, but that is not what it says and Wells who wrote it will tell you that.

    Given the evidence and Marcia’s actions it is easy to infer that he probably did it. The NFL thinks they can give out this punishment. Marcia does not that is why they are in court, but that does not make it a lie.

  124. Patriots owner in bed with guy punishing him. Pats fans will tell others they are jealous of their team and there is an actual witch hunt. Unbelievable.

  125. troy43mvp says:
    Aug 13, 2015 1:58 PM
    N.E. fans continue to rant,whine and sweat. This off season is shaping up to look pretty nice!

    ___________________________________

    Well, that’s handy, because the Steelers season will suck again, so enjoy while you can. Funny, the more the Steelers lose, the worse their fan base gets. I actually have more respect for Ravens fans at this point. Enjoy your final month of pretending your team is going somewhere.

  126. @ Karnak says: Aug 13, 2015 3:59 PM

    sbaltimore says: Aug 13, 2015 3:33 PM

    Hmmmm…so the NFL isn’t putting out real settlement offers, yet Brady hasn’t budged from his intransigent position this entire time (NO admission of guilt, NO games suspended, ONLY willing to pay a fine.) Right. Got it.
    _________
    If you have been following the news, you would know that the judge said there is no finding against Brady via the Wells report….on & on & on…blah, blah, blah
    ______________________

    Your input carries an awful lot of conjecture without much merit. The Judge didn’t, at any point, say what you claim he did. At this moment, the judge is simply doing his due diligence…attempting to pressure both sides, giving both a reason to doubt their respective positions, in an attempt to force a non-court ordered resolution. No one should read into the judges words to claim they can predict the final ruling, if determined by the judge. But based on extensive established court precedence supporting an arbitrator’s authority, the Commissioner had the right to suspend Brady. I’m skeptical that a judge, regardless of any ‘Shady-Brady bro-love’ that may exist, can find a justifiable reason to change the current 4-game suspension. I personally hope that neither capitulates…as I would love to see a definite court ruling, that would help prevent future NFL cheating. Then judges could make short order of dispelling similar frivolous NFLPA lawsuits.

  127. “The terms demanded on Tuesday won’t even get the process started.”

    And the terms that Brady has demanded WILL get the process started?! I don’t think so. He won’t admit any guilt, and won’t accept any suspension. If the NFL is willing to reduce the suspension at all then they’re being more reasonable than Brady.

  128. caseyjacobson6 says:
    Aug 13, 2015 5:01 PM

    “The terms demanded on Tuesday won’t even get the process started.”

    And the terms that Brady has demanded WILL get the process started?! I don’t think so. He won’t admit any guilt, and won’t accept any suspension. If the NFL is willing to reduce the suspension at all then they’re being more reasonable than Brady.
    ————————–

    Asking Tom Brady to accept the Wells Report as one of the conditions for a settlement is the least reasonable course of action the NFL could take.

  129. I think the judge is sending a message to Brady and his team. From his questions, he appears to believe the balls were deflated. I think since his side is saying that JJ and JM were free lancing when they did it to help out Tom. Maybe he gets three games for accepting the balls were deflated but he had no role in but it was done for his benefit. Takes responsibility for it but no admission of guilt.

  130. Hey haters, do you really love Goodell? Come on! You know better than that!

    You choose:
    Do you want the fact? If yes, you are smart.
    You don’t want the fact? If yes, you dumb ass!

  131. All you people that want to see Brady punished, want it so bad that you’re actually hoping Goodell and the NFL will win in court. Just realize that if they do win, no team is safe. This case is about so much more than Tom Brady. Goodell will be able to punish ANY PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE, as he pleases. It’s gonna be great when Goodell sees a certain holding penalty as “detrimental to the game” and suspends some player for basically holding. Or any other penalty. Wearing Beats to a post game presser, “detriment to the game”. This really will be handing this MORON unprecedented power. All I can say is, be careful what you wish for!

  132. it’s not an arbitration hearing. the judge is bound by the law. whether he makes strongly worded admonitions or not doesn’t really matter one way of the other.

  133. Anyone that thinks Brady is guilty is an idiot.

    This is nothing but a power struggle between the NFL and the union. Neither side will ever back down and it will probably go all the way to the Supreme court. Even though Brady is innocent he could possibly lose the case there as pro business as the court is.

    Meanwhile, grab the popcorn and enjoy the show folks. What will be revealed during the discovery process should be barrel of laughs for the NFL. Classic crash and burn for Goodell and the rest of the slime in the front office.

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