NFLPA calls Goodell ruling a “smear campaign” and a “propaganda piece”

AP

The NFL and NFL Players Association have made final submissions to Judge Richard M. Berman in support of their respective positions regarding the Tom Brady suspension. And the NFLPA’s brief goes for the proverbial jugular.

After 14 pages of reiterating and expanding upon the primary arguments made to overturn the suspension (i.e., that Brady could be fined only for equipment violations, that no player can be suspended for obstructing an NFL investigation, that the proceedings were fundamentally unfair, and that the arbitrator — Commissioner Roger Goodell — was “evidently partial”), the NFLPA lists five bullet points supporting its position that the final decision “is more smear campaign than reasoned decision,” that is it “a propaganda piece written for public consumption, at a time when the NFL believed the transcript would be sealed for public view,” and that Goodell hoped “to validate a multi-million-dollar ‘independent’ investigation.”

The specific bullet points are as follows:

First, “Goodell leads the Award with a ‘gothca!’ discussion about Brady purportedly destroying his phone, never acknowledging that Brady had turned over all of his emails and all of his phone bills (which demonstrated that [Ted] Wells already had all relevant text communications from other sources) or mentioning it was Brady’s career-long practice to recycle his phones because of Brady’s privacy concerns.”

Second, “Goodell found that Brady’s increased communications with [John] Jastremki after the AFC Championship game ‘undermine[d] any suggestion that the communications addressed only preparation of footballs for the Super Bowl rather than the tampering allegations’ . . . when Brady actually testified — at length — that he did discuss the tampering allegations with Jastremski because he was concerned they were causing Jastremski considerable stress and wanted to know what had happened.” (Emphasis in NFLPA brief.)

Third, “Goodell wrote that the NFLPA’s expert, Dean Snyder, ‘performed no independent analysis or experiments’ . . . when Snyder testified for two hours about the statistical, regression, and other analyses that his team conducted.”

Fourth, “Goodell wrote in the Award . . . that Brady testified ‘that the Patriots’ equipment personnel would not do anything to game balls that was inconsistent with what he wanted’ when Brady actually testified that this is why he ‘do[es]n’t think anyone would tamper with the ball.”

Fifth, “Goodell radically changed Wells’ finding of ‘general awareness’ of purported ball deflation by others into a conspiratorial ‘scheme’ when the hearing record contains not a shred of evidence about any such ‘scheme’ that Goodell could cite.”

The parties are due in court on Wednesday for a settlement conference and further argument on whether the suspension should be upheld or overturned. It remains possible that Judge Berman will send the case back for a new appeal hearing, possibly with a new arbitrator.

154 responses to “NFLPA calls Goodell ruling a “smear campaign” and a “propaganda piece”

  1. lulz. Going for the throat indeed.

    The lies! They burn! They BUUUUURRRRRRNNNN!!!!!

    Unless you’re wilfully ignorant. Then you probably just think it’s a little warm out…

  2. give me more proof than, “he more probably than not knew about it”

    that has got to be the most flimsy “proof” of something I have ever heard. And I’m on the west coast and couldnt be further from a Pats fan.

  3. I can’t wait for this case to be decided on. Goodell’s time of comeuppance is upon us all. Lying about “independent” investigations, deceiving the public with blatantly false leaks, and changing your theory of guilt at a embarrassing rate with absolutely ZERO evidence is how the corrupt act.

  4. Well written brief by Kessler, unfortunately most of the people on here are to ignorant to read it because of fear that might make a logical opinion off it. It’s a shame to see this writing go to waste.

  5. Ya know, i fail to understand why the NFL would want trash one of its best players. What do they have to gain from that? Pure and simple, he is guilty. And this suire is about process, not guilt!

  6. Sure, we all know Goodell could botch a peanut butter and jelly sandwich if you spotted him the peanut butter, jelly and bread but even in this case, the sandwich was already made.

    Deflator. check.

    Underinflated balls. check.

    Brady destroying phones he says he always destroys but oops didn’t destroy the one previously because an alien warped his mind that day. check

    Brady destroying phone on day of investigation and telling NFL to ask the 10,000 people he texted whether he’s a cheat. check.

    Pats’ fans ignore this because of a few red herrings. Gas law. ESPN. Goodell incompetence. Smart people see through it.

  7. Now that the games have started, I have no interest in all of this. I don’t care how, just make it go away.

  8. Play ball!! This is all just window dressing, no matter what the ruling no one will remember anything 5 years from now… except that Tom Brady is a HOF player that won 4 SBs!! And now on to the fifth SB ring.

  9. Hey NFLPA, YOU signed the CBA. YOU gave the commish certain rights in exchange for a bigger percentage of the pie. Then YOU whine. Maybe the owners should reduce the cap to previous levels, go back to the previous practices ect. You can’t have it all. YOU gave up things that were less important than money to YOU and now you sound like a 2 yr old on the candy aisle when mommy tells you to pick one candy. Remember who negotiated and signed the CBA….. YOU.

  10. NFLPA speaks the truth on all 5 points.

    Goodell is a proven liar — he lied during the Ray Rice debacle, and he’s lying again. WHY some people continue to believe Goodell, the proven liar, rather than Tom Brady, it has made this manufactured scandal an exercise in idiocy.

  11. At this point the only people who actually believes this isn’t a hatchet job by the NFL are people who haven’t/can’t read beyond the headlines and prideful jealous haters looking for an excuse to knock the Pats down a peg.

    Remember the good old days when we used to argue for our favorite teams and stars using relevant points such as: MVPs, Titles, Clutch play, Big time numbers, talent around them, etc etc.

    Now all we hear about is something that gives no advantage and that no objective scientist will tell you never happened.

  12. ctbarryjr says:
    Aug 14, 2015 6:53 PM

    Ya know, i fail to understand why the NFL would want trash one of its best players. What do they have to gain from that?

    —–

    Most reasonable people wonder the same thing. Yet, the NFL has done just that. If you possess an adult-level of reading comprehension, you would have read it yourself.

  13. Pulling for Brady here based upon what we now know. If he loses, then people will begin to focus more closely on the last CBA, article 46, & DeMaurice Smith. If he wins, this issue will possibly be part of a lockout at expiration of CBA.

    Best case is Brady wins and league & NFLPA come up with truly independent system (e.g.,both sides pay 1/2 of bill, investigators mutually aged upon, etc.) in the future.

  14. Not at all a Pats fan but I would love to see the courts rule in Brady’s favor just to bring Goodell down a peg or two!!

    FREE BRADY, SUSPEND GOODELL!!!!

  15. Upon hearing that judge Berman may call witnesses it’s been reported that Mort repeatedly soiled himself.

  16. Brady can hide behind equipment or whatever the NFLPA is trying to baby their “face” of the league with but he cheated plain and simple, suck it up you got caught be a MAN or you can be a GENO

  17. Smart people WILL in fact see through Roger’s smear campaign. Unfortunately, no one ever has mistaken justintuckfool as a smart person.

  18. “…at a time when the NFL believed the transcript would be sealed for public view…”
    ______________________

    This is where the NFL lost the case. In their complete and utter arrogance, they never believed the content of their findings and the witness testimony would be revealed…but it was, and 0h boy, what a devious, lying, underhanded, unethical lowlife is one Roger S Goodell. Roger and his pack of Park Avenue jackals are going down.

  19. .
    @justintuckfool

    350 yards rushing allowed to Seattle check

    8-8 record, destroyed by Dallas, Washington and Philadelphia check

    Perhaps you should focus on the New York football Giants? They seem destined for a 2-14 season

  20. Bold move giving then NFL a chance to read all this before they file their own, but everything about the NFL’s conduct in this is borderline baffling.

    Of course the Pat’s haters, who care nothing for evidence, procedure, fairness, or anything else rational, will likely foam at the mouth and stammer about nonsense for this too.

  21. Yeah, no attorney ever wrote a brief critical of their client.

    So tired of this issue, just make a ruling and move on.

    But the Pats cheat and nothing they ever accomplished means anything in my book.

  22. I still am amazed that people thinks its ok to turn over your private communication just because the NFL says so. I’m sure there is a reason why but I don’t understand why the NFLPA doesn’t just say Brady has a right to privacy (as we all do) and weather his phone is next to his socks or he destroyed it, it doesn’t matter because he told you from the beginning he wasn’t giving it to you. After all of the leaks from the NFL are we going to trust them that they would “do the right thing!”…This was not an NFL issued phone.

  23. You still didnt explain what the NFL would have to gain. I have read all the docs. So tell me. Why not trash manning, watt, montana, i could go on and on.

  24. ctbarryjr says:
    Aug 14, 2015 6:53 PM

    Ya know, i fail to understand why the NFL would want trash one of its best players. What do they have to gain from that? Pure and simple, he is guilty. And this suire is about process, not guilt!
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    What they have been doing all along is hiding the corruption and vendettas within the NFL offices. Better to smear the franchise most of the country already hates than expose a scandal within your own offices.

    If you actually read any of the documents you’d see that this is about process because the NFL never engaged in a legitimate process to find the truth. The only reason for them to keep pushing it is because if they didn’t reporters would have started asking about Kensil’s actions and who leaked the misinformation to Mort. The NFL has been hoping this would carry on until the season started when they have actual football to distract writers from such pesky questions.

  25. It’s funny that the NFL is quoted in court saying they have no direct evidence that Brady did anything. Don’t fall into the trap that the nfl created. If you read the whole story, it’s impossible to think this is anything more than Goodell trying to apease the other owners and trying to justify spending all of that money on some biased, botched investigation. I dont care what Felger or Mazz say, those guys suck. Brady hasnt lied before, what makes him a liar now? Maybe he’s the deflator in texts from a year ago because when they legally prep the balls he’s the one who lets the air out to get them to Brady’s comfort level. Why does it have to be after the refs check them in? Brady is innocent- deal with it.

  26. ctbarryjr says:
    Aug 14, 2015 6:53 PM

    Ya know, i fail to understand why the NFL would want trash one of its best players. What do they have to gain from that?

    Because they would rather trash Tom Brady than admit they were a bunch of incompetent over-priced buffoons. They thought they had caught the Patriots cheating & started to salivate, one of the NFL execs went up to the Pats’ Equip Mgr on the sidelines & told him “we’ve f””ing got you, you’re in trouble'” NFL then leaked false info & had fans from other teams salivating.

    When the case started to fall apart because of the Ideal Gas Law, the NFL’s failure to properly measure balls, and the lack of evidence, they had two choices. Admit they were wrong or just double down on the idiocy & go after Tom Brady (hated by a lot of fans who had lost to Pats).

    They chose wrong.

  27. justintuckrule says:
    Aug 14, 2015 6:55 PM

    Sure, we all know Goodell could botch a peanut butter and jelly sandwich if you spotted him the peanut butter, jelly and bread but even in this case, the sandwich was already made.

    Deflator. check.

    Underinflated balls. check.

    Brady destroying phones he says he always destroys but oops didn’t destroy the one previously because an alien warped his mind that day. check

    Brady destroying phone on day of investigation and telling NFL to ask the 10,000 people he texted whether he’s a cheat. check.

    Pats’ fans ignore this because of a few red herrings. Gas law. ESPN. Goodell incompetence. Smart people see through it.
    __________________________________

    Yes, those damned red herrings like science and evidence.

    By the way, the “deflator” texts are easily countered by the fact that they occurred well before the season started and if (assumption for the sake of argument) they were deflating footballs how did they get to 16 psi in the Jets game? Which btw came months after the “Deflator” text and months before the AFCCG.

    Logic requires the analysis of all available information. Not just grabbing onto snippets of information that can be presented to look damning if not held up to scrutiny. And THAT is how smart people have seen through this sham from the NFL and Ted Wells all along.

  28. ctbarryjr says:
    Aug 14, 2015 6:53 PM
    “Ya know, i fail to understand why the NFL would want trash one of its best players. What do they have to gain from that? Pure and simple, he is guilty. And this suire is about process, not guilt!”

    Oh really? Then why didn’t they just fine him $25, 000 and call it a day which the CBA negotiated rule stipulated? It’s because Goodell, NFL Execs and other owners went on an anti Patriots witch hunt. And changed the infraction and scope of offense to something entirely different. And too bad for them. Because it’s also something they can’t prove in a court of law. Or a truly impartial “Binding Arbitrator” the judge may force upon them to redo the Appeal. The NFL is headed for a self inflicted, humiliating loss over nothing. Goodell will be lucky not to get fired when this is finally over IMO.

  29. The NFL has received a ratings boost from this side show. Making the Pats and Tom Brady the Evil Empire gets even more people watching. I don’t believe they planned this out. It’s was a product of idiots at the helm. This is all about Goodell having no control over his people. This is about Goodell saving face. When the VP of operations starts running his mouth at half time saying that “We Got You, Your F%$ed now” Goodell can’t look back. This thing had so much momentum and Goodell has made a mess of everything else (Rice, Peterson, etc) he couldn’t say, “We jumped the gun, we didn’t realize that PSI in footballs naturally go down in cold weather, My Bad”. He simply couldn’t take the chance of looking like he has no control.

  30. ctbarryjr says:
    Aug 14, 2015 6:53 PM
    Ya know, i fail to understand why the NFL would want trash one of its best players. What do they have to gain from that? Pure and simple, he is guilty. And this suire is about process, not guilt!

    the league, in their admitted and ridiculous lack of basic science, jumped to an erroneous conclusion.
    everything after that comes from the fact that Goodel can only escape embarrassment if Brady is guilty.
    The simple reason it has played out the way it has is Goodel’s willingness to drag everyone and everything down with smears and lies to protect his personal reputation from the truth of his incompetence.

  31. Goodell, the power hungry dictator, is nothing more than a criminal now who tried to destroy Brady’s reputation in his thirst for more power. He belongs in prison with the rest of the criminals. Goodell’s lucky if Brady doesn’t sue him for all he’s got.

  32. I’m not a pats fan, but the more I hear about this whole debacle the more I think that Brady really is getting framed and/or railroaded by the NFL and for the life of me I can’t figure out why. Free Brady!

  33. When does Goodell get the perp walk? He keeps doing the same things over and over.

    FROM a RECENT article in Rolling Stone
    The moving-target prosecution works. Look at the New Orleans Saints. In June of 2012, Goodell’s office leaked a document to Jason Cole of Yahoo! that purported to show a “ledger” of payments made to Saints team members for hits that injured opposing players.

    The story was amazingly specific, citing a game against the Buffalo Bills in 2009 in which three players were paid $1,000 apiece for hits that led to players being “carted off” the field.

    But it later came out that of the four Bills players injured in that game, three played defense, making it impossible for Saints defensive players to have been guilty. So Cole’s league source “corrected” the leak, saying that the game in question was actually a November 2009 contest against the Panthers.

    But in that game, only one Panthers player was injured, a linebacker who fell down untouched while backpedaling. The story has never been retracted.

  34. Goodell when you get some real proof who deflated those balls then maybe you have something to make a ruling on this case. Till then shut the H up!

  35. I have no idea why the NFL did not come out, especially after the Patriots requested it, that the original Mortenson ESPN report was erroneous. That there were not 11 of 12 balls under inflated by 2 PSI. In fact I believe there were only 1 ball close to that number – the one that the Colts ball boy handed to the ref. others were less than .45 PSI off the low end of 12.5 PSI. Nor is there any mention that 2 of the 4 balls of the Colts were slightly under inflated below the 12.5 PSI low level.
    The only conclusion that this was clearly a witch hunt requested by a few teams that were understandably frustrated because the Patriots continue to own them. Goodell fell into the trap and is too far in to back out at this point. I laugh at a team putting up a participation banner and a team complaining because they do not know the rules after they were schooled by a better coach. Then get the rule changed.

  36. Goodell is winless in federal court because he’s a liar. This one will make him 0 for 5. Time to start the search for a new NFL commissioner because this clown is costing the league millions in court fees and bad publicity.

  37. To all the NFL/Goodell haters. You are so infuriated by all this, you will never follow the NFL again. You will never watch an NFL game again. And you will never spend hours pouring your hearts out on a NFL football board, right?

    God you are tools!

  38. The additional witnesses to be called will be the officials of the AFC championship game.

  39. It is still apparent by many of the posts that most posters have NEVER read anything but the headlines. As Mr Kraft said it was never about the truth but rather the NFL proving they were right.
    If Kensil wasn’t so ignorant of the Ideal Gas Law he would have known that due to weather & temperature conditions the PSI of the intercepted ball was with in range. Yet that ball wasn’t covered in the wells report.
    As judge Berman asked do you have any evidence connecting this to Mr Brady, the NFL said no. End of story.

  40. I believe most of the uninformed haters posting here are employees of 345 Park Ave., trying to save their jobs.

  41. Hey bushwoodcc…….I can’t believe I never thought of that!!! That is a GREAT point…..Yes before the season starts someone in a text chain calls himself the Deflator, thus starting the scheme. How did the the Jets game balls get to 16psi!! And according to Goodell one of the most damning texts is right after the Jets game when the say “F__ Tom” because Tom starting yelling at them because of how hard the balls felt. Did they have a Hot Tub time machine? Maybe a Delorean that can go 88 MPH?…..I don’t know about you but when i read a text chain that starts with “Hey Dorito Dink” I usually don’t put too much stock in it……..

    ….and I never slice!

  42. babygaga19 says:
    Aug 14, 2015 7:38 PM

    To all the NFL/Goodell haters. You are so infuriated by all this, you will never follow the NFL again. You will never watch an NFL game again. And you will never spend hours pouring your hearts out on a NFL football board, right?

    God you are tools!

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    My god this is hilarious. The only tools are the ones that fall for pure propaganda and guessing.

    You aren’t a tool if you like the NFL or continue to watch it.

    Goodell isn’t the sole person that makes up the NFL.

    We hope he and his lies are gone, and they take his good’olboys and Goebbels propaganda with him.

    You aren’t concerned one bit that he played you for a fool?

    There’s reality and then there’s spin. Someone give this guy a barf bag because he must be dizzy.

  43. Sure I’m not the sharpest bulb in the attic but, how do you claim “tampering” when you allow teams to, you know, tamper with the footballs?

  44. ctbarryjr says:
    Aug 14, 2015 7:17 PM

    You still didnt explain what the NFL would have to gain. I have read all the docs. So tell me. Why not trash manning, watt, montana, i could go on and on.

    ______________________________

    Are you serious? Why would anybody trash Manning when his 11-13 playoff record does the trick itself? Why trash Watt, his team hasn’t won anything?

    And Montana played in a different century with different owners and a different commissioner.

    If the rest of your examples are this lame, spare us and don’t go on and on.

  45. Got to wonder why the NFLPA felt the need to get emotional and accusatory. Even if factually accurate, judges rarely go for it. Especially on the federal bench. They usually take the strategy as an insult. As if the party making such an argument doesn’t think the judge is smart enough to pick up on what’s going on.

    Very surprised at the lack of sophistication.

  46. To the one trying to justify why the nlf would want to trash one of the best players, just dosent pass the smell test. Look at pit, 49ers, dal, gb, amoung others…….. just stupid

  47. It’s fascinating, from a sociological standpoint, how the success of Bill Belichick and Tom Brady has turned everyone north of Connecticut into dishonest, delusional pricks.

    Sad and disheartening, but fascinating nonetheless.

  48. ctbarryjr says:
    Aug 14, 2015 7:17 PM
    You still didnt explain what the NFL would have to gain. I have read all the docs. So tell me. Why not trash manning, watt, montana, i could go on and on.
    ==========
    This has nothing to do with Brady per se. Brady has a few years left at the top. I would have been surprised if they went after someone like Luck.

    The commissioner’s office is pushing the envelope with regards to player discipline and it is more probable than not that the owner’s are are generally aware that they will lose some court battle while they test the limits. There is a bigger game at stake here.

  49. Florio might have enough experience to know this old saying among lawyers: when the law is on your side you argue the law, when the law isn’t on your side you argue the facts. Brady’s lawyers have exclusively argued the facts in this matter and failed to address the legal framework that permits the power the commissioner exercised pursuant to the CBA. If he has the power, the facts can’t change that.

  50. I don’t think the judge is that stupid. He’s probably feeling sorry for the players because they are being represented by some people who really wouldn’t make it in the real world. Actually he’s likely embarrassed for the NFLPA reps. The stuff they’re trying to pull in this man’s courtroom is classless and baseless. I doubt the judge has ever witnessed anything this bizarre. He’s going to want this thing settled quickly before anymore of this nonsense gets out. It’s really making the players look stupid because they are the ones who elected these reps.

  51. Why hasn’t anyone (NFL} placed any blame on Walt Anderson and the refs for not having written down the psi of the footballs after checking them?

  52. realitycheckbaby says:
    Aug 14, 2015 7:22 PM
    Translation…
    Judge may call the ball boys and that makes us shrill and desperate!!!!

    ROFLMAO

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    What is with guys like you? They’ve already been called, and Wells as well as Goodell went out of their way not to include a SINGLE quote from any of their interviews. You know why? Because their answers didn’t fit the predetermined outcome the NFL wanted.

    Why do you think them coming to court will change their answers? Oh, that’s right in that case, you will be like all the other blind haters who will just change the above comment to something like “Oh well, it’s not like they were going to tell truth anyway, paid off, Cheaterzzz111” etc.

    Just accept reality, brother.

  53. ctbarryjr says:
    Aug 14, 2015 7:02 PM
    Dosent stand to reason, thus a friday news dump!

    ————–

    Yeah… That or the judge asked for this to be filed on Friday. But go ahead and believe whatever.

  54. Goodell would target the league’s best team precisely because he doesn’t want the league to have a best team. This is all about parity, the idea that every year every team has a real chance to win the Super Bowl. That’s what makes money and grows the league, not a couple of dominant teams beating up on everyone else.

    A review of Goodell’s rulings makes his plan abundantly clear. Teams that are generally viewed of as good franchises, such as the Steelers, Patriots, and Cowboys, are disproportionately punished for minor transgressions, while awful teams like the Jets, Browns, and Falcons skate even if they’re caught red handed tampering, giving coaches illegal intel, or harming the integrity of the game with piped in noise. The Steelers, to their credit, knew this about Goodell after what he did to Roethelisberger and refused to sign the CBA.

    The Patriots’ problem is that they refuse to play along. Belichick and Brady are so effective together that they can win games no matter how many disadvantages you pile on them. Goodell’s efforts in that regard have gotten more and more extreme, to the point that he finally overreached.

  55. tonebones says:
    Aug 14, 2015 7:58 PM
    I don’t think the judge is that stupid. He’s probably feeling sorry for the players because they are being represented by some people who really wouldn’t make it in the real world. Actually he’s likely embarrassed for the NFLPA reps. The stuff they’re trying to pull in this man’s courtroom is classless and baseless. I doubt the judge has ever witnessed anything this bizarre. He’s going to want this thing settled quickly before anymore of this nonsense gets out. It’s really making the players look stupid because they are the ones who elected these reps.
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    ????

  56. The only propaganda being pushed is the disinformation campaign by Patriots homers. Just look at that pathetic pure propaganda website created by the Patriots organization itself.

  57. I REALLY like the NFLPA

    I’m not a Patriots or Brady fan

    I just can’t stand goodell and the nfl office

  58. OMG the Ginger Hammer and his minions are down for the count. This is what happens when you frame someone innocent who isn’t willing to just take it. This is America and even the NFL offices need to have proof before going all nuclear on someone. Definitely a predetermined outcome to their investigation and they have played a high stakes game of chicken expecting Brady to blink. And unfortunately for them he has his reputation and will protect it at all cost. The only proof is a guy who had to take a leak on the way to the field. Hey maybe he drank too much coffee. Think about it could that old fat guy really take a dozen balls check the ball pressure and deflate them in a minute and a half.
    I am old and fat and the answer is no way.

  59. Ignorance is bliss! You have a Denver fan now hanging to the last thread of hope with “NFLPA agreed to Goodell having complete power, stop crying!” Because two parties agree to something, then one party completely abuses that agreement. Unlawfully abuses that agreement. Doesn’t mean it has to stay that way and all parties have to just take it. Its called unfair labor practices which the judicial system protects unions and companies and their employees from. Don’t let facts get in your way though, you keep hanging to that little thread of anger that Brady is guilty no matter what.

  60. ctbarryjr says:
    Aug 14, 2015 6:53 PM
    Ya know, i fail to understand why the NFL would want trash one of its best players. What do they have to gain from that?

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    Why did the Bush administration want to invade Iraq in response to 9/11 when they had nothing to do with it? Why did Nixon authorize the Watergate break-in when he was going to win the election anyway? Why did the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand lead to a bloody world war?

    I hate to break it to you, but people, especially powerful ones, often do incredibly stupid things. And they do it out of greed, spite, jealousy, and paranoia. The NFL is part of a long tradition here.

  61. Also, Is there any funnier comment than, “No matter what the ruling Patriots will always be tainted in my book.” That would mean 0.0000000000000000001% of relevance to other fans and the sport

  62. I love how everyone gets all fired up over a rule that 100% of football fans had no idea was even a rule. 12.5-13.5 is a number that Wilson put on the box in the 40s the NFL said “ok”. The false outrage and media hype with this is sickening, and all you dopes that feed into it and obsess and post daly on it are the weakest type of people. Grow up and stop crying its pathetic.

  63. Michael McCann on twitter:

    “In response filed tonight, NFL argues under federal law Judge Berman is not authorized to rule for Brady even if there are factual errors”

    What a bunch of losers

  64. .
    Roger Goodell – makes more money than Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Aaron Rogers COMBINED .

    Who’s more important to the success of the league? Goodell or the league’s three best QBs? How many of you tune in every Sunday to see Roger Goodell perform?

    Goodell’s contributions to the success of the league are minimal. For those who loudly proclaim that Roger Goodell is responsible for every dollar earned by the league, I say ” hogwash”!. The league’s TV contracts and other major negotiations are handled by owners committees. Goodell handles the PR ( media manipulation) because that’s what he was trained to do. To cover up his inadequacies, he has a team of lackeys and idol worshipers surrounding him at all times, like parasites feeding off a host.

    Middle aged men who suddenly realize they’ve been taking money while accomplishing nothing, are prone to become involved in harebrained schemes to prove their mettle. See banking / wall st crisis of 2008.
    .

  65. holeinone09 says:
    Aug 14, 2015 7:10 PM
    Yeah, no attorney ever wrote a brief critical of their client.

    So tired of this issue, just make a ruling and move on.

    But the Pats cheat and nothing they ever accomplished means anything in my book.

    And people care about your book??? Oh by the way that “patriots” cheat is getting old. Just face it, they are better than your team.

  66. Poor Pats fans. Now resorting to name calling. You embarrass yourselves to those like me who have at least half a brain.

    Keep floating your conspiracy theories. After all…it’s always in a business’ best interest to destroy the face of their own sport.

    How can you not see that if anyone was pulling for this all to be false it is GOODELL! He needed a cheating scandal like a hole in the head. He was forced to take action.

    In all my life….if I was wrongly accused of something, not once..EVER…did I answer the question, “Did you do it?” with the response, “I don’t think so.” WTH is that?

    Innocent people don’t destroy cell phones. Plain and simple. You can preach Mortensen, Goodell incompetence, Wells being a paid ho, or whatever else you want to put out there. You’re not going to convince reason minded people. For the record…as a Giants’ fan..I personally could not care less about this issue. We own you backwards and forwards.

    Oh…by the way…to the poster who told me to worry about my own team going 2-14 this year……thankfully we play your division where we’re a crisp 7-1 over the last two cycles going 3-1 against you. Ownership has its privileges.

  67. I have Answer to why the NFL* might go after an icon (never gets posted here after several attempts). Since deflategate: NFL has been talked about 24-7 in THE OFFSEASON. Tom Brady now has the #1 selling jersey. No one is focused on domestic violence anymore. For Goodell he wins case 90% of country is ecstatic, he loses case and he looks like a fighter to the NFL’s owners and press. The NFL is making money off this, don’t be mistaken.

  68. Ctbarryjr:

    If you fail to understand why the NFL would trash one of its greatest players then you must also fail to understand why the NFL would leak FALSE information that strongly suggested that one of its teams cheated in an NFL playoff game, and then REFUSE to correct that FALSE information for many months.

    But that is a FACT, pure and simple – i.e. that the NFL did that.

    So you tell us why the NFL would do that…..

  69. By now, YOU the Public, should be disgusted with the Lies of Goodell & the NFL NYC Office. They used you as Pawns in game of Deceit & Manipulation, for their own Agenda.

    How about this one “For the Integrity of the Game!” –

    The ‘Game’, my friend was on YOU and the word ‘Integrity’ that Goodell used ONLY refers to the money he receives from his bosses. You know who they are, they are the Team Owners that have been taking your money to pay Goodell & Well$ and the rest of the NYC Clowns to do their bidding.

    Let Goodell & ESPN know that you have had enough of the BS and outright Lies.

  70. When you file a brief in court, especially a brief like this, you better be sure it’s accurate…

    Goodell, and The NFL don’t look to good right now.

    What gets me is all of the haters, (I was one, I admit it), fail to see is the words are there in black and white…There’s no more if’s, and’s, or but’s…!

  71. attorneyshea says:
    Aug 14, 2015 7:57 PM
    Florio might have enough experience to know this old saying among lawyers: when the law is on your side you argue the law, when the law isn’t on your side you argue the facts. Brady’s lawyers have exclusively argued the facts in this matter and failed to address the legal framework that permits the power the commissioner exercised pursuant to the CBA. If he has the power, the facts can’t change that.

    =========
    have you read the brief? spouting adages does not give you wisdom.

    Pretty sure the NFLPA is arguing the law. The Judge was asking about the facts to get the NFL on record and help the League understand that you can’t connect A to D without B and C

    From NFLPA Filing:

    The law of this Circuit is no different, identifying only “certain circumstances” in which “arbitrators may set aside or modify a previous award,” as exceptions to “the usual practice of arbitrators to find prior awards final and binding.” Connecticut Light & Power Co. v. Local 420 Int’l Bhd. of Elec. Workers, AFL-CIO, 718 F.2d 14, 20 (2d Cir. 1983);10 accord Trailways, 807 F.2d at 1425 (citing and expanding upon Connecticut Light: “Although an arbitrator generally has the power to determine whether a prior award is to be given preclusive effect, courts have also recognized that the doctrine of res judicata may apply to arbitrations with strict factual identities.”). Thus, in determining that a subsequent award could supplant a prior award, the Connecticut Light court identified the presence of one of these limited “circumstances,” stating that, “if [the] earlier award was, as [the second arbitrator] put it, ‘analytically unsound,’ then it was not binding on the subsequent arbitration proceedings.” Connecticut Light, 718 F.2d at 20.

  72. attorneyshea:

    So I suppose if Goodell had accused Brady of deflating the footballs and said, I have no evidence at all, I just think it most probably happened, and Goodell and the NFL suspended Brady for two seasons, your view is, tough luck, the Court can’t do anything because the CBA says Goodell can do whatever he wants.

    No, it doesn’t work that way.

    Courts don’t uphold (which is what the NFL has asked Berman to do) decisions that don’t hold water. Is “attorney” your first name, or just a nick name?

  73. When Judge Berman hints that he will be calling other witnesses, I think a few people will really start to worry. I don’t think he will order the ball guys to testify; he strikes me as a man that is going after the big fish, he’s not going to bother the little guys. More going on wrong in the front office than on the field or in the locker room. What if they call Jeff Pash or Wells. Who wants to see those guys swearing to tell the truth. Don’t know how the attorney privilege thing goes but if it can happen those guys will yell OK your honor “fine no admission of guilt and no suspension.” If that happens Judge Berman will restore my belief and pride in a our American justice system.

  74. jpstewart882 says:
    Aug 14, 2015 6:59 PM

    At this point the only people who actually believes this isn’t a hatchet job by the NFL are people who haven’t/can’t read beyond the headlines and prideful jealous haters looking for an excuse to knock the Pats down a peg.

    Remember the good old days when we used to argue for our favorite teams and stars using relevant points such as: MVPs, Titles, Clutch play, Big time numbers, talent around them, etc etc.

    Now all we hear about is something that gives no advantage and that no objective scientist will tell you never happened.

    ——————————————————

    Great comment…Thank you.

  75. zeke2517:

    What is really amazing and interesting is how the entire country so resents Brady and Belichick for being consistently better than everyone else.

  76. I was so disinterested in the Michael Sam story, I couldn’t even post on it. Better to post here.

    This was a sting. It backfired and the NFL has been spinning and spending ever since.

    I just want the truth. That, or what can’t be proven as fact tossed away.

  77. rcosborne59 says:
    Aug 14, 2015 8:10 PM

    This is what happens when you frame someone innocent who isn’t willing to just take it. This is America and even the NFL offices need to have proof before going all nuclear on someone.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    EVERYONE PAY ATTENTION

    USA + Due Process = FREEDOM

  78. muslimponder says:
    Aug 14, 2015 8:08 PM

    The only propaganda being pushed is the disinformation campaign by Patriots homers.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    LMAO

    Oh boy the haters are having temper tantrums because they didn’t get their way.

  79. justintuckrule says:
    Aug 14, 2015 6:55 PM
    Sure, we all know Goodell could botch a peanut butter and jelly sandwich if you spotted him the peanut butter, jelly and bread but even in this case, the sandwich was already made.

    Deflator. check.

    Underinflated balls. check.

    Brady destroying phones he says he always destroys but oops didn’t destroy the one previously because an alien warped his mind that day. check

    Brady destroying phone on day of investigation and telling NFL to ask the 10,000 people he texted whether he’s a cheat. check.

    Pats’ fans ignore this because of a few red herrings. Gas law. ESPN. Goodell incompetence. Smart people see through it.

    ——

    Deflator – Said it was about losing weight. Not out of the question, considering even the NFL Network has video that calls losing weight “deflating”…

    Underinflated Balls – 3 of the 4 Colts balls were as well. Why weren’t they investigated?

    Getting rid of phone – Only after Wells gave out enough of his digits that people were figuring out his number and he was told by Wells that they didn’t require it

    10000 people – Actually, if you bothered to check your facts, it was 28 NFL related people that would have been involved. Hardly “impossible to do” as Wells and Goodell called it.

    Gas Law – Ummm… Red Herring? I’m pretty physics isn’t a red herring, lololololol.

    TMZSPN – Seriously? Look at any story related to Deflategate and there’s only one side of it.

    Goodell – So you’re saying his complete incompetence is complete except for this one case, where’s he’s obviously telling the truth, even when totally caught blatantly lying?

    Who’s the smart people seeing through what? Or maybe it’s the wilfully ignorant that can’t see through their own hate fantasies…

  80. Again I’ll put my tin foil hat on but I always thought this whole thing was to discredit/damage Bob Kraft. Here are my reasons:

    Kraft was credited as the key person to get the parties to get the new CBA over the line and get the season going.Remember the Jeff Saturday hug. Something the commish and his cronies weren’t able to accomplish.

    Kraft since then has been viewed in many circles dare I say more influential than the commish himself. Especially outsiders.

    How does one damage an influential owner? Go after their coach who is extremely polarizing that people believe to be the anti-Christ. If that fails go after the guy everyone would want to be/have on their team but hate him because he is not their team.. The NFL does this by exaggerating a common equipment violation and turn it to scandal.
    Who knows but all I was is the discussion to go back to how much the Jets, Skins and Vilings are a hot mess

  81. Does the nflpa think we are stupid? Everyone knows iMessages don’t show up on your cell phone bill. Or anywhere other than your phone. And woah! Brady’s phone conveniently has been destroyed. Nope nothing unusual about that.

  82. holeinone09 says:
    Aug 14, 2015 7:10 PM
    Yeah, no attorney ever wrote a brief critical of their client.

    So tired of this issue, just make a ruling and move on.

    But the Pats cheat and nothing they ever accomplished means anything in my book.

    …and that book would likely be
    See Roger Run …

  83. justintuckrule says:
    Aug 14, 2015 8:18 PM
    Poor Pats fans. Now resorting to name calling. You embarrass yourselves to those like me who have at least half a brain.

    Keep floating your conspiracy theories. After all…it’s always in a business’ best interest to destroy the face of their own sport.

    How can you not see that if anyone was pulling for this all to be false it is GOODELL! He needed a cheating scandal like a hole in the head. He was forced to take action.

    In all my life….if I was wrongly accused of something, not once..EVER…did I answer the question, “Did you do it?” with the response, “I don’t think so.” WTH is that?

    Innocent people don’t destroy cell phones. Plain and simple. You can preach Mortensen, Goodell incompetence, Wells being a paid ho, or whatever else you want to put out there. You’re not going to convince reason minded people. For the record…as a Giants’ fan..I personally could not care less about this issue. We own you backwards and forwards.

    Oh…by the way…to the poster who told me to worry about my own team going 2-14 this year……thankfully we play your division where we’re a crisp 7-1 over the last two cycles going 3-1 against you. Ownership has its privileges.

    ————————–
    Sir, can I offer you some more Kool-Aid?

    I love it when people refer to a team as “we”, like they have something to do with the team.

  84. babygaga19 says:
    Aug 14, 2015 7:38 PM

    To all the NFL/Goodell haters. You are so infuriated by all this, you will never follow the NFL again. You will never watch an NFL game again. And you will never spend hours pouring your hearts out on a NFL football board, right?

    God you are tools!

    ——————————————————–

    Thank you leader!

  85. It is obvious even the NFLPA know Brady’s goose is cooked. They are terrified of JM an JJ being called before the judge.

  86. joe6606 says:
    Aug 14, 2015 8:44 PM
    Does the nflpa think we are stupid? Everyone knows iMessages don’t show up on your cell phone bill. Or anywhere other than your phone. And woah! Brady’s phone conveniently has been destroyed. Nope nothing unusual about that.
    ========
    I am pretty sure that iMessages sent to a Windows or Android device are sent via SMS. You mean to tell me everyone used and iPhone?

  87. Remember the good old days when we used to argue for our favorite teams and stars using relevant points such as: MVPs, Titles, Clutch play, Big time numbers, talent around them, etc etc.

    ++++++++++++++

    Indeed it would almost be fun to see Ravens and Steelers fans telling each other how much their teams suck. Patriots fans mocking the Jets. Cowboys and Giants fans exchanging barbed comments… I never thought I would long for those days again 🙂

  88. Sticks and stones and direct testimony will sink the Pats and Brady. Name calling makes the NFLPA seem like 3rd graders.

  89. “Hey maybe he drank too much coffee. Think about it could that old fat guy really take a dozen balls check the ball pressure and deflate them in a minute and a half.
    I am old and fat and the answer is no way.”

    +++++++++++

    I laughed so much when I read that comment… I wonder how many of us on here are so “Old and Fat” we could not do it either!!!!

    Thanks for the laugh! 🙂

  90. So… A judge tells both parties to put a sock in it then the Patriots leak private emails and the NFLPA does this. Court orders don’t apply to these people apparently. And you wonder why everyone hates them?

  91. t38267 says:
    Aug 14, 2015 8:27 PM
    attorneyshea:

    So I suppose if Goodell had accused Brady of deflating the footballs and said, I have no evidence at all, I just think it most probably happened, and Goodell and the NFL suspended Brady for two seasons, your view is, tough luck, the Court can’t do anything because the CBA says Goodell can do whatever he wants.

    No, it doesn’t work that way.

    Courts don’t uphold (which is what the NFL has asked Berman to do) decisions that don’t hold water. Is “attorney” your first name, or just a nick name?
    ===================

    Stupid and arrogant is not way to go through life. If RG really felt this strongly about Brady’s guilt and had any sort of smarts he should put Brady on the Commissioner’s List until more facts could be gathered. NE would still have to pay him and Brady would have missed games.

    I am available for 1/100th of RG’s salary and I promise to get discipline to stick!

    I am a Patriots’ fan and I can see this is a smarter way to go for the League.

  92. For all the Patriot haters asking why the NFL would want to punish its biggest star. There are a number of reasons: (1) positive reaction of 31 other fan bases, teams and owners, (2) takes the focus off all of the negtive publicity from the domestic violence and concussion issues, (3) prove to the league’s affrican american players that it will come down hard on a popular white player, and (4) shows that Goodell does not favor Kraft.

    IF the NFL had any apprehension about penalizing its biggest star, why did it issue a 4 game suspension for conduct (an equipment violation and obstruction) that has never resulted in a penalty before?

  93. ctbarryjr says:
    Aug 14, 2015 6:53 PM

    Ya know, i fail to understand why the NFL would want trash one of its best players. What do they have to gain from that? Pure and simple, he is guilty. And this suire is about process, not guilt!
    =====================================

    Pure and simple, he is innocent. The NFL has a ton to gain from it..and it relates directly to the predetermined opinion of the Patriots that people have of them around the country. Kinda like yours.

    Goodell screwed up the Rice case.
    Goodell screwed up the Peterson case.
    Goodell lied to the public about seeing the rice video.
    Goodell is fighting contempt of court charges in Minnesota regarding the Peterson case.

    The way Roger sees it, if he can put the Patriots and Tom Brady’s collective scalps on his mantle he can gain back some of the cache he’s lost with the public. The only thing Roger didn’t count on was that Brady wouldn’t take it lying down. And now he and the NFL front office are being exposed for the incompetent, lying and in the case of Kensil and Vincent, jealous frauds that they are.

  94. Note to Roger:

    Next time Jeffrey Kessler wants your lunch money – Just hand it over. Don’t wait out by the flag pole for the atomic wedgie.

  95. Everyone misses the real lesson of DeflateGate –when you are accused of something–anything–there’s supposed to be a little thing called “burden of proof” that has to be respected so that unenlightened lynch mobs don’t run wild like it’s 400 years ago again. What has transpired is shameful from a procedural standpoint, and you have to point a finger at Goodell for that. He’s has handled this thing as poorly as anyone could imagine–all because he wants to “get tough” with the Patriots mostly as a do-over for all the other stuff he’s been accused of being a wimp about. Shamefully, The Wells report isn’t valuable enough or “independent” enough to line the bottom of a birdcage. What a expensive joke.

    Brady is going to win because a REAL arbiter is on the case now and it’s plainly clear that this circus stunt was a sham from the beginning. The Wells report is an insult to this man’s intelligence, and all of us too. Judge Berman: “Is there any direct evidence linking Mr. Brady to tampering?” No. Case closed. Sorry to waste your time.

    So what have we all learned? Well, we’ve certainly regressed. Witch-hunts are in vogue again like the 1600’s–authorized and led by an inept commissioner. Fantastic. Let’s bring back book-burning and public stoning while we’re at it. Brady has paid way more than 4 games already. His reputation has been unfairly and permanently smeared, and all because he likes his football on the softer side of LEGAL.

    Now, back to the quack theories of how the Patriots have figured out a way to make their footballs cling to their players like glue through the magic of 0.5 PSI…

  96. The judge has already shown that he has found no basis for a conspiracy, no relevance to texts from months before, and no direct evidence against Brady of anything except his handling of the cellphone.

    Consequently, even if he finds that not complying with the phone request and the subsequent phone destruction were not within Brady’s rights under the CBA, he still could agree that it was propaganda, with deliberate exactly what deceptions and omissions. Accordingly even though finding Brady at fault over the phone, Goodell’s characterization of the failure was designed for maximum impact and omitted what was actually presented.

    If Berman rules that way it lays a solid foundation for a defamation of character law suit, which if Brady won would be followed by a class action by many of the other folks disciplined by Goodell, who guilty or not were subjected to the same defamatory tactics.

    Yes I am biased but IMHO Goodell is now shown to be clearly harming the integrity of the game regardless of the guilt or innocence of the accused by his disdain for any level playing field in the disciplinary process including investigations and arbitration appeals.

    It is time for a new commissioner. A chimp could run this league as profitably and with more integrity.

    I am ready for football and weary of this charade of integrity and news cycle bogartage.

  97. The hate for Tom Brady is stupid and baseless. Of course much of it is based on the uniform he wears and the coach he plays for. The NFL owners should be thanking him for what he has brought to the sport. This hatchet job is disgusting.

  98. You’re the one saying perfectly innocent people destroy cell phones on the day of an investigation and I’m the one drinking the kool aid? Funniest thing I heard all day. Thanks for the laugh

  99. sjl61470 says:
    Aug 14, 2015 9:10 PM
    t38267 says:
    Aug 14, 2015 8:27 PM
    attorneyshea:

    So I suppose if Goodell had accused Brady of deflating the footballs and said, I have no evidence at all, I just think it most probably happened, and Goodell and the NFL suspended Brady for two seasons, your view is, tough luck, the Court can’t do anything because the CBA says Goodell can do whatever he wants.

    No, it doesn’t work that way.

    Courts don’t uphold (which is what the NFL has asked Berman to do) decisions that don’t hold water. Is “attorney” your first name, or just a nick name?
    ===================

    Stupid and arrogant is not way to go through life. If RG really felt this strongly about Brady’s guilt and had any sort of smarts he should put Brady on the Commissioner’s List until more facts could be gathered. NE would still have to pay him and Brady would have missed games.

    I am available for 1/100th of RG’s salary and I promise to get discipline to stick!

    I am a Patriots’ fan and I can see this is a smarter way to go for the League.

    ===
    I wasn’t directing the stupid/arrogant comment atattorneyshea it was directed at RG

  100. The Pats are the bottom dwellers of the league like the Browns and Vikings. They’ve had the worst roster in the NFL for 15 years. That’s why they have to cheat 100 ways every Sundays to beat the scrubs in the AFC. I don’t know why they think they have haters. Nobody wants any scrubs or coaches from the most fake franchise on earth on their team. They just want the Belicheat, Adams regime out so there is an even playing field for all teams. Kraft should’ve made this happen so long ago because he’s an embarrassment to the Pats and the NFL. Kraft pretends to pissed at the commissioner, but this is all his fault. The next coach wouldn’t be allowed to cheat so the NFL can’t catch your players. Kraft knows he’s a bottom dwellers owner and can’t hire a non-cheating coach that is good and fire the guy that makes Kraft look like the biggest moron ever…

  101. Bottom line they are trying to suspend a player for a team equipment violation, sorry . Won’t work. Goodell is in charge of the gang that can’t shoot straight, not surprising that many of his cronies works for the NY Jets.

  102. The NFLPA took off the gloves with this submission to put the NFL on their heels in the court of public opinion. Up until now the Pats/Brady/NFLPA have been reacting to the NFL’s disinformation machine. The narrative foundation is built by the first strike and the NFL has initiated and largely won those battles. They are not stupid, they are operating in a brutal scorched earth manner that is devoid of ethics. Now the shoe is on the other foot. The judge should be sophisticated enough to understand what is going on.

  103. JustinTuckRule wants you to know that he’s a Giants fan and that they own the Patriots (unfortunately for them, they don’t own much of anybody else). I suppose we could redo the SB and have the Patriots drag the Giants carcass across the field for four quarters, but I think the SB was pretty good the way it was.

  104. I’ve read JustinTuckRule for posts under most Patriot articles for awhile now. He claims that he isn’t biased against the Pats and “doesn’t care” because the Giants have beaten the Patriots in the SBs they have played and won 3 of 4 against them, therefore “owning them”. Well if two 3 point wins and a four point win is owning, then you have a very loose interpretation of the word. I don’t think that word means what you think it means. Now do the Giants have bragging rights for those two games? Certainly, and credit goes to them, but I think all reasonable fans would agree that the last 15 years for the Pats trumps the last 15 years for the Giants by far. The Patriots are the far better franchise in recent history and it’s not even close. Giants 5 playoff appearances since 2000, Patriots have 13. Giants 3 SB appearances, Patriots 6. Giants 2 SB wins, Patriots 4. Giants record 129-111 , Patriots 175-65. So congrats on the 2 SB wins vs the Pats, but something tells me Pats fans wouldn’t switch places with the Giants fans. Keep the 2 wins, “it’s more probable than not” that you do care, and are envious of their success despite the Giants “owning them” See you on the next post about the Pats bro…

  105. The chickens are coming home to roost for the NFL. They thought they could bully Brady and he’s accept his “punishment” and go away.

    The disinfectant of the light of day is showing this witch hunt for what it has always been.

  106. In the future, a best-selling movie will FOREVER PRESERVE the disgraceful actions of the current NFL office.

    The NFL was/is blinded by their environment (their perceived power and nobody is above them).

    However, The Missouri Supreme Court during a recent NFL case in May, 2015 ruled against Goodell and stated: ….“the terms of the contract designating the NFL commissioner, an employee of the team owners, as the sole arbitrator with unfettered discretion to establish the rules for arbitration are unconscionable and, therefore, unenforceable”.

    Also, many folks in the media took a stand against the Patriots based on fake information. Because of job security, they won’t change their views to reality.

    NFL office, breaking news: THIS IS AMERICA!

    The NFL thought they could wiggle around their official 19 Jan. letter to Mr. Kraft that stated 11 of 12 Patriots’ footballs were below required PSI levels. The NFL letter also stated all tested Colts’ footballs were within the permissible PSI ranges — absolutely incredible and untrue letter issued by the NFL.

    Who made the decision at halftime to STOP testing the Colts’ remaining 8 footballs (only four balls tested, 3 found deflated)?

    The TRUTH and WRATH of the Ideal Gas Law has deflated the NFL paper ship.

  107. Lol been hearing from day one Brady will be cleared yet here we are…. Brady/pats known repeat cheaters! All the conspiracy theories in the world will not change that pats fans/morons. Love seeing the same 9-10 pats fans commenting in each pft post on the cheater. Gotta be a sad life when you find out your hero is really a zero…

  108. In other words, Goodell lied and made things up – believing the transcripts would never be released

    The NFL even leaked false info through ESPN yet AGAIN asserting that it was the NFLPA who was scared to release the information (when the NFL was trying to block it for obvious reasons – namely Goodell LIED)

    WHEN will the OWNERS invoke Article VIII and get rid of Goodkell? There is NO QUESTION he lied repeatedly in his propaganda ruling

    Only someone with “unquestioned integrity” can be Commissioner according to the Owners

    Every day he remains in place the Owners dig the grave of NFL integrity deeper for themselves

  109. “Why hasn’t anyone (NFL} placed any blame on Walt Anderson and the refs for not having written down the psi of the footballs after checking them?”

    —–

    Seriously? Wells wrote a page and a half about how diligent and great Anderson is…yet, the ball boy left in full view of him and other officials with the balls, Anderson failed to use a standard gauge and even, at halftime, wrote the Colts psi numbers down wrong (at least according to Wells because if he didn’t, then one of the Colts balls dropped substantially).

  110. justintuckrule says:
    Aug 14, 2015 6:55 PM
    Sure, we all know Goodell could botch a peanut butter and jelly sandwich if you spotted him the peanut butter, jelly and bread but even in this case, the sandwich was already made.

    Deflator. check.

    Underinflated balls. check.

    Brady destroying phones he says he always destroys but oops didn’t destroy the one previously because an alien warped his mind that day. check

    Brady destroying phone on day of investigation and telling NFL to ask the 10,000 people he texted whether he’s a cheat. check.

    Pats’ fans ignore this because of a few red herrings. Gas law. ESPN. Goodell incompetence. Smart people see through it.
    _____________________________________
    Are you seriously still going on about the phone? THAT is the red herring here.

    1. Brady turned over his emails and phone records. That means they knew everyone that he called and texted, and texts can be recovered from EITHER end of the communication. Destroying his phone didn’t eliminate all records of the texts.

    2. He didn’t need to destroy the phone to hide evidence from the NFL. It was his private phone. He was under no obligation whatsoever to give it to them, and had already stated that he wasn’t going to. Since the NFL could not legally compel Brady to hand it over, or punish him for refusing to do so, why would he need to destroy it as part of some cover up? There is simply no “there” there. It was nothing but the commissioner trying to make Brady look guilty of some undefined offense since the league failed to prove that he was guilty of the specific offenses of which they accused him.

    3. Underinflated balls: check, only if you accept the junk report provided by a company with a reputation for providing junk science that says whatever its clients want it to say, and ignore the studies performed by multiple groups with reputations for conducting quality research and analysis.

    4. The Ideal Gas Law is not a red herring, it’s one of the physical laws of the universe. Is it possible that some footballs were intentionally deflated? Yes. The problem is that a number of things would have to line up to prove it, and the league’s shoddy (to put it nicely) monitoring and investigation has muddied the waters so completely that those things can never really be accurately determined.

  111. “You still didnt explain what the NFL would have to gain. I have read all the docs.”

    Its not the league that wants to trash Brady, its the human beings intge league office who are former NY Jets employees who loathe the Pats, have bedn embarrassed by them and are jealous of them

  112. “It remains possible that Judge Berman will send the case back for a new appeal hearing, possibly with a new arbitrator.”

    I don’t think this is viable for a court that supports “double-jeopardy” statutes. DJ may not be in the CBA but it’s a big part of the U.S. legal system.

    So many procedural errors were made by the NFL from the start, including Vincent writing the accusatory letter. There was no indication Goodell had appointed him.

    And even asking for Brady’s phone wreaks of illegal search.

    The NFL would be doing right to fine Brady $25 grand in a settlement otherwise they’ll probably hear Berman say “better luck next time”.

  113. sidelinecameraman says:
    Kraft was credited as the key person to get the parties to get the new CBA over the line and get the season going.Remember the Jeff Saturday hug. Something the commish and his cronies weren’t able to accomplish.
    ____________________
    Don’t forget that Kraft privately funded Gillette Stadium, a fact that left 30 other billionaires (Green Bay stockholders not withstanding) steaming mad. The Patriots’ success on the field with Belichick/Brady has defied the fact the NFL rules are designed to promote parity. Kraft’s success with Gillette Stadium/Patriot Place has undermined his fellow owners’ attempts to extort public dollars for stadium projects. He has been a model owner and was a fan first who rescued a failing franchise.

  114. My take is this. The NFLPA’s best shot here is to convince Berman to vacate due to improper notice of penalty or convince him to vacate because Goodell was clearly not impartial. The fact that Goodell changed the mode of the offense from “general awareness” to outright participation in a “scheme” may be stupid and not supported anywhere by factual evidence (because Goodell is a proven idiot) but the CBA (ridiculously) likely gives him the authority to do this. Basically Berman has to be convinced that even knowing ball deflation (assuming it happened, that’s not what’s on trial here, even though we all no nothing happened) would be conduct detrimental that Brady had no notice it could lead to a suspension and only had notice of a fine as penalty. This seems like a coin flip to me.
    The real reason to vacate this is that Goodell was clearly not an impartial arbiter. And that can be proven by the LIES that have now been exposed between his appeal ruling and the actual unsealed testimony.
    Who unsealed that testimony, Judge Berman. Who asked questions of evidence and proof in the initial hearing when he didn’t have to, Judge Berman. (even though he may have been inducing the NFL to settle). This has me leaning to Berman ruling for Brady but it’s still a very close call. I think it’s interesting that the NFL does not address and rebut any of the potential qualifications that the NFLPA is siting that an arbitration can be vacated, their brief is just a long winded way of saying – Goodell has final authority and the courts can’t do anything about it no matter what.

  115. ctbarryjr says:
    Aug 14, 2015 7:17 PM
    You still didnt explain what the NFL would have to gain. I have read all the docs. So tell me. Why not trash manning, watt, montana, i could go on and on.
    __________________________________
    You’re assuming that Goodell initially believed things would go this far. That’s not an assumption that I can accept. I think things spiraled out of control because Goodell couldn’t bring himself to say “my bad”.

    My THEORY (not claiming any proof) of what might have happened:

    During their playoff game with the Ravens, the Pats used a loophole in the rules to comeback and win the game. It was tricky, but not dirty. The Ravens coach still went on a tirade and whined about it, because his failure to adapt embarrassed him. For whatever reason, he also believed that they were messing with the footballs. So, the Ravens coach (who was once an asst coach in Philly), calls up the Colts GM (who also used to work for the Eagles) and told him what he suspected. Grigson then calls Kensil (former Jets employee, burned by Belichick when he made the rather quick change from Jets to Pats head coach). Kensil sets a sting for the Pats, and pounces at half-time. Thinking he has them dead to rights, Kensil tells Goodell that the Pats are busted. Goodell figures there might be some temporary ill will from one of his supporters (Kraft), but that will fade soon enough as Kraft will want to get past the issue quickly. In return, he’ll gain favor with the owners of teams whose SB chances the Pats have ruined over the years. Everything looks good to Goodell, so he tells them to proceed. Info gets leaked to clear the way.

    Then things start going bad. The info that was leaked is simply wrong. The evidence that they thought they had turns out to be pretty shaky due to some fundamental problems with the monitoring system that the league has in place. All of this makes the league (and Goodell specifically) look bad. Rather than own up to their own issues and work out a slap on the wrist deal with Kraft that lets both walk away relatively clean, Goodell doubles down and spends millions of the league’s dollars on an “independent” investigation. Problem is, the underlying issues with the investigation still exist, and Wells is unable to dig up any new smoking gun, just some bits and pieces that might or might not indicate that something happened. So, the league hires a company with a very questionable reputation to compile a report saying the balls were clearly deflated (despite the lack of evidence of the fact). They also remember that Brady was once upset at the equipment guy when footballs were overinflated to 16 psi, and pair that with the fact that he communicated with the equipment guy after the accusation was made. With that “evidence” in hand, Goodell rules that the footballs were intentionally deflated, and that Brady either put them up to it or knew about it and looked the other way. On behalf of his team, Kraft accepts some punishment, expecting that to be the end of things, and that they can just all move on from there. Goodell has already targeted Brady, however. He’s the one that talked to Jastremski after all, and he didn’t just bow down and kiss the league’s collective behinds during the investigation. So, Goodell hits Brady with a 4 game suspension.

    As all expect, Brady files his appeal. This allows Goodell to step in and offer Brady a nice deal. Admit your guilt (that we never actually proved) and apologize, and we’ll cut the suspension AT LEAST in half. The more effusive the apology (or series of apologies), the more forgiving we’ll be. Be a really good boy, and it’ll just be a one game slap on the wrist that most people will soon forget about. Instead, Brady tells him to shove his deal and continues to fight the accusations. In other words, it’s like a civil suit that the other side never expected to go to trial because the cost of fighting it was higher than the cost of settling.

    Now Goodell is backed into a corner. He’s made accusations he can’t actually prove. He’s spent millions on an investigation that still can’t prove anything. He’s made a finding of guilt without the evidence to support it. He can’t let a truly independent arbitrator oversee the appeal, so he refuses to step aside. Of course, Goodell finds no flaw in his own initial ruling, an he backs it up by lying about Brady’s testimony and leaking a story about Brady’s phone that’s irrelevant but looks bad out of context. But that’s ok. The league has already strong armed the NFLPA into agreeing to keep the appeals hearing confidential (before they realized what would come up in the appeals hearing, and what Goodell would say afterwards). The public will never know the truth.

    Brady and the NFLPA don’t let things rest, however. Brady is looking to preserve his reputation, and the union wants a chance to get a judge to put some limits on Goodell’s power. The union prepares to file a federal suit in Minnesota with Doty. The league doesn’t want Doty anywhere near this case, however, so they file in NY where their office is located. Judge Berman gets the case, and does away with the confidentiality agreement, exposing some of the league’s (and Goodell’s) shadiness. Now, we’re really off to the races.

    Again, not claiming I have proof this is how things went down. Just offering up a potential answer to your repeated question. I think it’s a mistake to assume that Goodell or the league knew how things would play out. It’s clear that they went out of their way to leak the things they wanted out there (even though most turned out to be either inaccurate or down right false), and to keep everything else concealed from the public. The way things have turned out seem to indicate that it’s more likely that things spiraled out of control. Whether it’s because of Goodell’s ego and inability to back down from a position, or because certain influential owners demanded he push forward, who knows? The results, however, don’t indicate something that went as planned. Perhaps that is why you find it hard to believe that they planned to do this.

  116. babygaga19 says:
    Aug 14, 2015 7:38 PM
    To all the NFL/Goodell haters. You are so infuriated by all this, you will never follow the NFL again. You will never watch an NFL game again. And you will never spend hours pouring your hearts out on a NFL football board, right?

    God you are tools!
    _______________________________________
    One thing has nothing to do with the other. You can love football, and still believe Goodell is dishonest and has done some shady things. Your comment is like saying one shouldn’t call the cops if their house is broken into because they believe that there has ever been a dirty cop.

    I’m not an expert on tools, so I won’t say your comment makes you one. It is, however, completely devoid of logic.

  117. denverscott says:
    Aug 14, 2015 6:58 PM
    Hey NFLPA, YOU signed the CBA. YOU gave the commish certain rights in exchange for a bigger percentage of the pie. Then YOU whine. Maybe the owners should reduce the cap to previous levels, go back to the previous practices ect. You can’t have it all. YOU gave up things that were less important than money to YOU and now you sound like a 2 yr old on the candy aisle when mommy tells you to pick one candy. Remember who negotiated and signed the CBA….. YOU.

    You are not very bright. The commish has always had the right to be arbitrator, that is not something that was given up by the NFLPA. It is something that has been denied the NFLPA. What you fail to understand is that just because the CBA says that the commish has the right to do certain things he must still abide by previous legal precedent. He is beholden to Law of the Shop.

    I find it quite amusing that you think the NFLPA sounds whiny even though they have done nothing but submit well argued points regarding this case. The NFL, however has hidden behind privilege that shouldn’t exist if it was, in fact, a truly independent investigation. They have insisted on sealing documents, have allowed false leaks to go uncorrected (even distributing false information to the Patriots following the AFCCG). Yet they are acting as the adult in this situation? You are funny.

  118. joe6606 says:
    Aug 14, 2015 8:44 PM
    Does the nflpa think we are stupid? Everyone knows iMessages don’t show up on your cell phone bill. Or anywhere other than your phone. And woah! Brady’s phone conveniently has been destroyed. Nope nothing unusual about that.

    ————————

    He discarded a Samsung phone. No imessage on it.

  119. sjl61470 says:
    Aug 14, 2015 8:55 PM
    joe6606 says:
    Aug 14, 2015 8:44 PM
    Does the nflpa think we are stupid? Everyone knows iMessages don’t show up on your cell phone bill. Or anywhere other than your phone. And woah! Brady’s phone conveniently has been destroyed. Nope nothing unusual about that.
    ========
    I am pretty sure that iMessages sent to a Windows or Android device are sent via SMS. You mean to tell me everyone used and iPhone?

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    Brady used a Samsung Galaxy phone.
    All text messages would be SMS and the phone numbers and text times and dates would be part of his record on line.

  120. ctbarryjr says:
    Aug 14, 2015 7:17 PM

    You still didnt explain what the NFL would have to gain. I have read all the docs. So tell me. Why not trash manning, watt, montana, i could go on and on.

    —————————————————–

    There are many in the NFL front office that have a history of animosity and disdain for the Patriots, not to mention some owners who are jealous of Mr. Krafts success. Before this fiasco Goodell’s reputation was at an all time low. Many in the media and elsewhere were calling for him to be fired. With the attempt to weaken the Patriots with this witch hunt he has regained support from some owners and the anti Pats fans. It would take a fool not to see the agenda and the opportunity those in power took to bash Brady and the Pats at the same time.

  121. “I don’t buy the side the side that called ‘propaganda!!’ first wins.” It doesn’t win in court, but it DOES win in the PR game. All you have to do is read the comments on sites like PFT. It shows that most of the people have only glanced at the headlines, very few have actually read the reports.

    “I fail to understand why the NFL would want to trash one of its best players.” Because he plays for the Patriots. It’s the Patriots that they want to bring down a peg. Goodell works for the owners, 31 of the 32 would like nothing more than to see the most successful franchise in the league brought back to the rest of the league. Actually, it was BB that they were after. When they couldn’t get the best coach in the league, they decided that the best way to negatively affect his success was to go after his quarterback.

    “Hey NFLPA, YOU signed the CBA. YOU gave the commish certain rights . . .” That’s true, but you did not give him the right to make arbitrary decisions that violate the Bill of Rights of the country. He still can’t make rulings without any evidence to do so. Where in the NFL-NFLPA agreement does it say he can do so unilaterally? If he can, than every team and every player in the league better be ready. YOU could be NEXT!

    For the ‘Integrity of the Game.” If Goodell and the NFL were so concerned with the “integrity of the game,” why did they allow the Patriots and Colts to play the first half of the AFL Championship game with “deflated balls?” In all previous equipment violation situations – See agreement as mentioned above what the penalty for this is IF found guilty – they warn the team that the league has been informed that you have been suspected by another team of committing this violation. If you are, stop doing it.

    “When the law is on your side, you argue the law; when the law isn’t on your side, you argue the facts.” If the NFLPA had been able to file the court in MN, that is precisely what they would have done – BTW They have never lost a case in that court. HOWEVER, in an effort to prevent this, the NFL filed the case in NY. They filed to have the court rule that they had a right to impose their penalty on Brady. That changes the focus of the case. The NFL filed the case, so they are the plantiff. The judge, therefore, must rule that the FACTS of their case are accurate and, therefore, justify the penalty imposed.

    “They (Patriots fans) are terrified of JM and JJ being called before the judge.” Both of these men WERE called by Ted Wells, as well as TB12 (six hours) and questioned. Yet, there is NOTHING in the Wells report about their testimony (except excerpts from their cell phone communications). Since there is NOTHING in the “independent report” that shows the Patriots in a positive light, don’t you find that revealing? BTW. It was the NFL that instructed the Patriots to suspend these men until they gave them permission to be reinstated. I’d be more concerned if I were the NFL if he decided to call Ted Wells, Walt Anderson, Chris Mortensen, Troy Vincent, Mike Tensil and Jeff Pach (aka “The Three Stooges”).

    “WE TOLD YOU SO

    signed,
    New Orleans”

    AMEN!!!!!

  122. Brady had no obligation to turn over his personal phone records to Ted Wells, especially after he realized that Well’s job was paid to reach the conclusions that the NFL wanted for their $7,000,000, NOT to write an impartial report. At Brady’s hearing with Goodell, he turned over thousands of e-mails, but the NFL’s response was that they didn’t have time to go over them. It was the judge who released all of the documentation, including Brady’s e-mails. E-mails that the media picked up on, not about the case, but about his wife’s disguise used to inquire about cosmetic surgery in France.
    No wonder TB12 didn’t want to turn over his personal cell phone to Ted Wells or anyone else!!!

  123. The NFL had better hope that it doesn’t come down to which conspiracy theory is more plausible, because there is no evidence of a conspiracy to tamper with footballs, but there is ample evidence of an NFL conspiracy to perpetrate a witch-hunt against Tom Brady.

  124. Hey, I wonder why Brady signed those Jerseys, Balls and shoes ???
    I see, out of the goodness of his heart !!!
    You folks are truly blind, this the reporters and bloggers all seem to have been paid off by Kraft to only see one side of the story, some even quoting from Bradys Facebook statement on his appeal being denied as being facts in the case, the only problem being is that he has everyone, well, almost everyone snowed on what he actually says there !!!
    If you really read that statement you will see the inconsistencies of what he’s saying, often hiding his lack of cooperation and making it sound like he has cooperated, when in fact he has NOT…
    He will always be remembered for the unethical actions and words that he has given in this incident !!!

  125. All NFL fans should be pi$$ed on how this “investigation” was handled. Seven months later and we still don’t know the truth. From either side. Trying to legislate punishment on cobbled together circumstantial evidence (at best) couldn’t be a bigger mistake. Regardless if people feel Brady actually did it or not. Fans have been b!tching for YEARS on how broken player discipline has been under Goodell. It’s not a problem until it happens to your team or your favorite player. Player discipline wouldn’t be a problem if Goodell actually had the ability to ensure a fair and unbiased process. Just do it the right way and fans wouldn’t be moaning over yet another flawed and mishandled attempt at player discipline.

  126. jjzzx says:
    Aug 15, 2015 10:26 AM
    Hey, I wonder why Brady signed those Jerseys, Balls and shoes ???

    The problem is Brady testified to Wells that it’s common practice for every QB to do that for equipment personnel. They do it because the equipment people don’t get paid a lot and it’s their way of throwing them a bone. It’s fine if you want to cite that as still being illegal. It’s not ok to state in a vacuum and claim only Brady does it. You’d probably be right on the former but not the latter.

  127. You need to read the brief to appreciate it. Kessler smoothly flows from one gut punch to another. The brief is posted at iswhatitis/WEEI. Steven A Smith should be pleased because his name is now part of the permanent public record, in a footnote on last page, on a document that will be read and reread for decades. Doesn’t really matter now how this is case is settled, this is a brutal and amazingly personal takedown of Goodell. “Paul Weiss” aiding and abetting this award is even more astounding.

  128. babygaga19 says:
    Aug 14, 2015 7:38 PM
    To all the NFL/Goodell haters. You are so infuriated by all this, you will never follow the NFL again. You will never watch an NFL game again. And you will never spend hours pouring your hearts out on a NFL football board, right?

    God you are tools!

    ***********************************************
    Out of disgust I haven’t watched a single preseason game and doubt I will watch many of the seasons games right now as I seriously doubt the integrity of the NFL. If the NFL doesn’t like the actual field results they will do anything to uneven the playing field. Maybe I will watch the playoffs but I am feeling about the NFL as I do about MLB these past 12 years….which is to say very little.

  129. Limakey says:
    “It is obvious even the NFLPA know Brady’s goose is cooked. They are terrified of JM an JJ being called before the judge.”

    There has been some commentary from lawyer/writers on that. The appeal to the 2nd Circuit is based on the appeal award (only), and not the original investigation. The NFL/Goodell decided in the appeal to let the Wells report speak for itself, and they did not call JM and JJ. Berman is interested in the original investigation/award as it pertains to the fairness of the appeal award. He can go there because of the evidence (mainly the Wells report) that was introduced at the appeal. The original award is not being re-litigated and Berman will only hear from witnesses involved in the final appeal.

    We will never know why the NFL did not call JM and JJ but you can bet if there was something solid there, under oath, the NFL would damned well have wanted it in the record. Make whatever assumptions you wish.

  130. fireroger says: All NFL fans should be pi$$ed on how this “investigation” was handled. Seven months later and we still don’t know the truth.
    ===========================

    Haven’t you yet figured out? Goodell never wanted the truth

    He wanted a PR campaign to make him look good just as long as the majority of fans were gullible and jealous enough to believe whatever he made up – don’t forget – people were openly calling for his head last year… several ESPN reporters called him a liar after the Ray Rice fiasco (where a judge determined he was lying and he refused to give up his personal cellphone in the investigation)

    They were of course fired, so ESPN could truly become the propaganda network for the NFL

    If Goodell wanted the truth he would have called McNally and Jastremski to testify under oath… but he knew they’d say nothing happened under oath (since Goodell knows nothing did) and the gravy train of popularity for Roger in 31 NFL markets would come to a crashing halt

    Now those two can’t be called by Judge Berman as they did not testify in the appeal, thus ineligible now

  131. The lack of damning testimony from JM and JJ in the Wells report is glaring. Wells had unfettered access to them for hours and they did not waiver. If they did it would be in the report in bold face and the Goodell team would be doing backflips for the media.

    Hard to believe that a team of lawyers costing $5,000/hr did not advise Goodell to tread softly based on the appeal testimony they had. Whatever happened he/they latched onto the destroyed phone as a smoking gun and Goodell jumped into the excrement with both feet in his award.

    What people should be wondering about, and are wondering about, is how a multi billion dollar entertainment machine like the NFL could be so totally arrogant and totally clueless. I will add totally bereft of ethics. This is a trifecta of horrible management practices for an entity whose business plan is dependent on broadcast media.

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