Ruling from Judge Berman won’t be the end of #DeflateGate

With neither the NFL nor the NFL Players Association showing any real inclination to resolve the litigation arising from Patriots quarterback Tom Brady’s four-game suspension, a ruling from Judge Richard M. Berman seems more likely. And some think the ruling will mark the end of the #DeflateGate saga.

It won’t be.

Even if Judge Berman doesn’t opt for a lose-lose decision that sends the case back to a neutral arbitrator for a second hearing, a decision that gives one side a clear win and the other side a clear defeat means that the side that loses will immediately pursue an appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit.

If the NFLPA wins, it undoubtedly means Brady will be permitted to play pending the resolution of the appeal. Then, if the NFLPA loses on appeal, Brady would sit out four games at some point in the future, possibly in 2016.

If the NFL wins before Judge Berman, things could get even more interesting. At that point, the NFLPA could try to get an injunction allowing Brady to play pending the resolution of the appeal. If Brady wins that motion, he’ll play until the appeal is resolved.

That’s another form of lose-lose ruling from Judge Berman that could help force a settlement. Brady loses the case, the NFL loses the ability to suspend him until the appeal is resolved months down the road, and the issue continues to linger.

Regardless of the specific decision made by Judge Berman, only one thing ends this mess: A settlement.

219 responses to “Ruling from Judge Berman won’t be the end of #DeflateGate

  1. The other losing outcome is no matter how this mess ends up we’re all still stuck with the $44 million a year overpaid buffoon commissioner known as Boodell, er Goodell.

  2. It will go on and on forever. And don’t forget all the auxiliary defamation suits not just for this, but for Wells’ various other search and destroy missions. All over imaginary ball inflation issues! So funny.

  3. Not if your previous article was correct, Florio. If the owners are tired of this and want this to end, there should be no appeal.

  4. How about if Roger just resigns, admits he sucks at everything and vacates all punishment to Brady and Patriots?

  5. This is a stain on the game and it is all Goodell’s fault for turning this non-issue into a travesty. This is all about Goodell’s ego and stubbornness. The owners really need to step in and take the keys from this incompetent madman.

  6. The real reasons for the tarring of the Patriots:

    1) They neglected or defied a league order to move sideline in game filming to a designated location after the league changed the rules.

    2) Brady refused a directive to hand over his cellphone

    This is about power and the money paying for the PR.

  7. The league will not lose. Brady, regardless of the court doesn’t have a case. All the evidence is on the NFL’S side. Brady has no leverage.

  8. This is all being set up so that one day we will see a PSI monitor in the corner of the TV screen brought to you by Wilson or Goodyear

  9. There will never be a settlement in this case. Brady isnt settling to the liars that run the NFL.

    The only fair and ethical settlement in this case is Brady gets no suspension, the Patriots fines and draft picks are restored and Goodell & Wells each cut Brady a check for $100 million each.

    Other than that on to the Appellate Court

  10. It’s obvious Tom Brady influenced ball deflation at some point in his career… why is Tom continuing to act like a teenager fighting his parents?

  11. They’d be wise, the NFL, to cut their losses at that point instead of dragging the story into another football season.

  12. “Although no more than objective partiality is required to disqualify Goodell (NFLPA Mot. 14-15), the Award in fact evidences his actual bias. It is more smear campaign than reasoned decision — a propaganda piece written for public consumption, at a time when the NFL believed the transcript would be sealed from public view, to validate a multi-million-dollar “independent” investigation

  13. wte1 says:
    Aug 16, 2015 3:57 PM
    How about if Roger just resigns, admits he sucks at everything and vacates all punishment to Brady and Patriots

    ___
    I’m a rabid Pats fan….and if Goodell is gone….I could live with Brady being fined!! (As long as he isn’t required to accept the bogus Wells report!)

  14. There is another way: Recognizing that they really screwed the pooch vis a vis Ted Wells and the lack of educational diversity at HQ, the league might take wood from Judge Berman and then claim to take the high road in accepting his decision while disagreeing with it, a la Robert Kraft.

    Perhaps there is a matter of legal precedent they would wish to avoid by accepting his call, but it is still possible they could drop it at that point.

  15. Goodell leads the Award with a “gotcha!” discussion about Brady purportedly destroying his phone, never acknowledging that Brady had turned over all of his emails and all of his phone bills (which demonstrated that Wells already had all relevant text communications from other sources) or mentioning that it was Brady’s career-long practice to recycle his phones because of Brady’s privacy concerns.

  16. I hope it keeps going. Now that it’s in a real court, we’re getting a look behind the shield. So far it hasn’t been pretty and I hope it only gets worse for Goodell and his band of crooks.

  17. couchbasher says:
    Aug 16, 2015 4:06 PM
    It’s obvious Tom Brady influenced ball deflation at some point in his career… why is Tom continuing to act like a teenager fighting his parents?


    There NO evidence. Even Judge Berman said:

    There is no finding in this case that there was anything done by Mr. Brady (in the AFC title game).

    Standing up for your innocence when there is zero evidence isn’t the act of a defiant teenager, it’s the act of a man wanting to fight for his good name.

  18. couchbasher says:
    Aug 16, 2015 4:06 PM
    It’s obvious Tom Brady influenced ball deflation at some point in his career… why is Tom continuing to act like a teenager fighting his parents?
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    It’s obvious nothing happened to those footballs and the ONLY scientists that have said otherwise are ones from a crooked firm hired by the NFL.

  19. Goodell radically changed Wells’ finding of “general awareness” of purported ball deflation by others into a conspiratorial “scheme” when the hearing record contains not a shred of evidence about any such “scheme” that Goodell could cite.”

  20. Brady should prevail if judge has to rule on this – unless Article 46 allows for unfair judgments of a 4 game/$1.8 million suspension without any hard/direct evidence. Also Goodell is trying to expand his/commissioner’s power by reclassifying an equipment violation where fines have been negotiated into CBA into something bigger while also expending penalties for non-cooperation.

    Also, I believe league – and select owners – tried to hurt Patriots by…

    1) Creating massive distraction prior to super bowl (e.g., Mort report on 11 of 12 balls) as the last thing Roger wanted was to see the Pats, BB, and Brady win again.

    2) In lieu of that, create mountain out of molehill and dock Pats a 1st, 4th, and $1 million despite Wells report exonerating them. I know, Wells report is mostly garbage but it is interesting how league hangs onto to it when it fits their “scheme” and ignores it when it does not fit their narrative/plan.

    3) Continue distractions into 2015 and possibly to further hurt Patriots (watch Belichick turn this to his advantage).

    No matter who you root for, this should scare all teams, players, and fans as you could be next.

  21. Goodell and the NFL attorneys and owners have irreparably damaged the integrity of the NFL.

    They should all be fired. Congress should force those that support Goodell continuing in court over this to sell their franchises as those are the ones that have tarnished the integrity of the NFL. But if these NFL owners are pushing then there is no integrity of the NFL.

  22. couchbasher says:
    Aug 16, 2015 4:06 PM
    It’s obvious Tom Brady influenced ball deflation at some point in his career… why is Tom continuing to act like a teenager fighting his parents?
    ______________________________________

    So a text message of Brady demanding the balls be deflated to 12.5 psi makes it obvious that he cheated?

    #haterlogic

  23. It doesn’t look like either side wants to end this thing. As long as Brady is playing, the owners get their TV contracts, and as long as the court case goes on, the NFLPA gets to make an ass out of Goodell.

    If it goes on through the season the owners will pull in Tag to settle. It’s always fun to hear what Paul has to say about Roger.

  24. You know, if Judge Berman publicly chides Goodell and the owners for this abomination of Justice, slandering a good man with not even a shred of proof that the footballs were even deflated, let alone that a conspiracy took place, it might shame Goodell and the owners into cutting their losses and not appealing

    The FrameGate conspiracy is right there for everyone to see – it’s not as simple a story as the false and fabricated one Godell expertly pitched with advance false leaks, but it’s certainly a juicy one that goes back to Goodell lying under oath to Judge Barbara Jones about supposedly not knowing Ray Rice assaulted his wife.

    One of these days the media and the fans who parrot them will realize it’s Goodell and the Owners who lack integrity

  25. Neelymessier said;
    “1) They neglected or defied a league order to move sideline in game filming to a designated location after the league changed the rules.”

    It wasn’t a rule change. You’re referring to the 2006 memo sent by Ray Anderson, which misquoted the rules – the memo mentioned the sidelines, the official rules did not.
    Anderson did not have the authority to change a rule, not even the language, this would require a vote by all 32 teams.
    By the letter of the law, the Patriots should not have been punished for spygate. Anyone who disagrees does not know what they’re talking about.

  26. The only commercial solution is to implement Peter King’s solution to get the necessary data before reaching a conclusion. That will take a year. Stay all proceedings pending the accumulation of data over the next season. then we’ll have facts, not assumptions. Otherwise the defamation suits will continue for a decade.

  27. I SO love the obvious Jets fans…

    Hey, if my team had been WHOOPED by the Patriots for 15 years and kept me down that long I would love this too…

    Sad state for loser teams like the Jets.

    Geno baby!

  28. Berman is testing the metal of the NFL. They have the strategic high ground legally. If he can soften their stance, which he attempted to do on the 12th.

  29. what a farce

    whether he did it or not, the fact we’re still talking about this non event re air pressure, lands squarely on Goodells shoulders. to that regard he should be fired

  30. The players gave the power of judge jury & executioner to Goodell in the last CBA. So much for the integrity of the shield. I hope Brady ends up w/egg on his face. He knows he’s a cheater & continues to try & prove his “innocence”. Brad is full of crap. The years of him getting the lame call b/c he’s Brady are likely gone. Refs could turn & look the other way when Brady gets hit

  31. Thanks Ravens and Colts. Freaking crybabies. .. Colts are the lowest of low. Tanked a season to get the top player in the draft. No heart . Ravens worship a murderer like a god and somehow went completely unpunished after bein busted tryin to cover up for Rice. Hope the NFL goes down even as a fan. Stinks of corruption now. Can’t trust the outcomes of games. Dez “non catch”. No call blatant defensive hold by Cowboys player vs Lions..cap penalties..Saints…Seahawks with Holmgren getting screwed in Super Bowl against Steelers.. ..List goes on

  32. Whew! This is good news. I don’t know what I’d do without a deflategate update every 30 minutes and all the delusional patriot conspiracy theorist comments.

  33. .
    The NFL demands that Brady and the NFLPA accept all the findings of the Wells Report.

    Everyone, including the NFL, disputes it.

    Where’s the common ground?
    .

  34. It would certainly be interesting to know how many of these responders are Pats fans. A national survey conducted by someone other than ESPN or PFT would probably shock your readers. Brady/Pats are not on good terms with the mass. It is really surprising the judge has not told NFLPA that they negotiated the deal, now live with it. He may yet do that, regardless of the MF writings.

  35. Let;s solve this mess. Give Brady, Goodell and the ball boys truth serum. Let’s find the truth. I am sure that Brady would never go for that. He such the pompous liar that has acted like he is guilty. The phone, the texts, the weight loss program. Give us intelligent folks a break.

  36. Regardless of the specific decision made by Judge Berman, only one thing ends this mess: A settlement.
    ———————————————————
    The NFL is plaing a high-stakes game of “Chicken” with Judge Berman …… they have to, they’re protecting the sanctity of the almighty CBA.

    This really isn’t about Brady, or some possibly deflated footballs anymore….

    Gooddell and the owners don’t want to – cannot AFFORD to – give up the authority and control they have in this CBA. And the worst part is, even if they somehow win this battle, the bigger battle wil come when the next CBA is negotiated.

    You are going to see the mother of ALL strikes, then.

  37. So what Florio is really saying is that, in his opinion, the legal maneuverings of the NFLPA undermine the authority of the CBA commissioner and the entire discipline process (i.e. even if the NFL ‘wins’ in Berman’s court, they ‘lose’ because of the long delay) and there’s nothing to do about that except “settle”, which means caving in to the player being disciplined, which in turn undermines the discipline process, just in a different way. I thought the whole point of binding arbitration was to avoid exactly this kind of mess.

  38. The league will not lose. Brady, regardless of the court doesn’t have a case. All the evidence is on the NFL’S side. Brady has no leverage.

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    If you truly believe that comment I feel sorry for you. Your words by implication divest the courts of America of any power and you accept that power belongs to the NFL. It does not.

    Whether Brady is guilty or not is maybe something we will never 100% truly know, but love him or hate him he is entitled to due process. People like you scare me more than any deflation of a football because you wish to deny people their basic rights because someone else says so.

  39. What will inevitably happen (assuming a ruling in favor of the NFLPA) is that this will be tied up in court for a good long while. Brady will continue to play and quite possibly retire before this ordeal is finished.

  40. This is an example of how power mad humans become when they have dictator powers. It is necessary to have checks and balances.One man should not be judge,jury and executioner.What a sorry display.

  41. Peter King is a nice guy. His lips are also hermetically sealed to Goodell’s rear end. His suggestion is ludicrous.

    Please, this isn’t about data. It’s not even about ball deflation. It’s about power and control.

    The owners locked out the players in 2011 when the NFL and NFLPA could not come to a consensus on a new collective bargaining agreement. In reality, the owners had planned a lockout no matter what the NFLPA offered. They wanted to teach the players a lesson that the power and control resided in the owners and it wasn’t being shared with the players. This is payback to Brady and Kraft for breaking the lockout and beating the “hard core owners” and their stooges in the NFL offices on and off the field.

    Many fans, clueless fans I might add, supported the owners in 2011. Why? Many fans are jealous about how much players make. A poster on another thread said that being an NFL player was not a “real job”. Tell that to Junior Seau’s daughter.

  42. The look on Goodell’s face at the end of Super Bowl 49 when Kraft was handed the Lombardi and Brady the MVP was priceless. He looked like his dog died.

    Too bad we couldn’t see how the hard-core owners that are driving deflategate acted. More swearing than clapping I suspect.

  43. Berman will rule against the NFL, and while the NFL MIGHT appeal, I honestly would doubt it. There is going to come a point where the owners say to Goodell “wrap it up”.

    An appeal is unlikely to reverse whatever decision Berman makes, and it will only be a distraction through the entire 2015 season and possibly beyond.

  44. PLEASE get this issue over with one way or the other. If I have to hear any more whining and crying by Pats fans and Brady, I may puke. It is pathetic, like the world is coming to an end or something. The Steelers will put up 40+ points in the first game whether Brady plays or not.

  45. We’re guilty but you can’t prove it? All that’s required is “preponderance of evidence”, and while Tommie destroyed his phone (after it being requested buy opposing counsel) in a effort to cover up any evidence, it will backfire on him. Book it.

  46. A Brady win, with a lot of harsh comments by the judge with respect to NFL untruthfulness and unethical behavior, could erode the support Goodell would have from owners to pursue an appeal.

  47. just get it over with. whether patriot fans like it or not, no matter what the outcome of this, brady’s reputation will always be tainted with the fans outside the new England area. which far out numbers his fans. as much as I hate the patriots I always respected brady as a player. not so much anymore.

  48. Allof New England will celebrate when Brady wins appeal!
    Goodell steps down as commissioner
    Owners name his replacement……….Kensil becomes commissioner

  49. The current Union leadership is defeated by the NFL almost all the time. No reason to think that will change now.

    The NFL can say with a straight face that the matter was investigated and properly adjudicated. They can claim to be nice guys because they already listened to an appeal and took a 2nd look at the evidence.

    Since the Union is bringing this legal action the burden of proof is on them. Plus they have to overcome a judge’s bias against the guilty that destroy evidence. The penalties imposed against the Union and its member have consider frivolous waste of the court’s time.

  50. “The Steelers will put up 40+ points in the first game whether Brady plays or not”

    Yeah, because the Steelers have so much success versus the Patriots during the Brady/Belichick era.

    LOL

  51. tigerlilac says:
    Aug 16, 2015 4:49 PM
    The look on Goodell’s face at the end of Super Bowl 49 when Kraft was handed the Lombardi and Brady the MVP was priceless. He looked like his dog died.

    Too bad we couldn’t see how the hard-core owners that are driving deflategate acted. More swearing than clapping I suspect.

    3 1

    My dream ending for this year is that the Patriots do it again and when it comes time for the trophy to be awarded and Goodell brings the trophy up to the platform Bob Kraft tells him to just put the trophy on the stage and leave.

  52. limakey says:
    Aug 16, 2015 4:01 PM

    The league will not lose. Brady, regardless of the court doesn’t have a case. All the evidence is on the NFL’S side. Brady has no leverage.
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    And the sun rises in the west and sets in the east!

  53. “Shady Brady…”

    Good one! Not only side splittingly funny, but so incredibly original!

    Seriously, you should copyright that gem before someone steals it!

  54. kevo95 says:
    Aug 16, 2015 4:28 PM
    U suck Brady crybaby cheater take your punishment and move on Tommy girl

    ____

    Hahhahha. I guess this all the haters have now. Very sad

  55. I don’t think any of you really believe when you are honest with yourselves that those balls were deflated or that it bears any advantage for the team that uses them.

  56. I can’t believe that you haters are still there .

    Everybody else, please ignore them. They do not know the facts, are too stinking lazy to investigate, and so gullible because they believe everything that they hear from the NFL. Even ignoring Judge Berman’s observation that the NFL had no evidence to prove their accusation.

    Don’t waste anymore time on them.

    They are haters and not worth repeating the facts over and over again because they are not listening.

    Leave them alone, both of you only get frustrated.

  57. Just curious, assuming that Brady handed over his phone and nothing was found, would that change anything with the NFL? My guess is no.

    The NFL has been wrong on the Saints players and probably way off base on the bullying scandal with Jonathan Martin. They absolutely were wrong on the Dolphin’s coach that was fired.

    Brady and the Patriot’s employees emphatically deny that anything happened and the best the NFL has been able to come up with is the possibility that a few tenths PSI cannot be 100% accounted for under using specific assumptions that when changed to equally likely assumptions yield completely different results. In addition, the potential PSI that could have been lost is not detectable by anyone on the face of the earth so what would be the motivation.

    Goodell from the start has basically been saying “Just when you think you have all of the answers, I change the questions.” Goodell and the NFL have also been putting out false information without retraction and twisting the facts to win in the court of public opinion. Ask any casual fan and they will say that the Patriots let 2 lbs PSI out all the footballs which we no is wrong.

    The only way forward for Brady is an independent arbitrator with no agenda other than the truth. Seeing as he is innocent in my opinion, and he certainly has the means and motivation to prove his side of the story, I expect him to justifiably fight to restore his legacy.

    I would love for the NFL to be exposed for what has transpired and I am still holding out for the 1 in a Billion hope for a perp walk for Goodell.

  58. As pointed out in your previous article, this case is no longer about a specific player or the inflation level of the footballs in question. It’s about the owners retaining the right to have final say over how they discipline players for conduct detrimental violations. As long as Berman upholds the suspension, I doubt most owners would care when Brady serves it.

  59. Judge Berman will reverse this decision, and here’s why.

    The tide of public opinion is now against the NFL, and nobody has the power to sway the tide of public opinion more than Berman. If Berman planned on ruling in favor of the NFL, he would not have pointed out that the NFL has no evidence, and that he does not consider Wells to be an independent investigator. Those 2 comments swayed the tide of opinion even moreso against the NFL.

    Berman is not going to fall on his sword to protect the NFL, or to prevent any future players from coming forward with their own lawsuits. At this point, if he rules in favor of the NFL, it will make him look like he was bought by the NFL, and it will tarnish his career in a big way.

    His ruling will most likely be that there isn’t enough evidence to claim “conduct detrimental”. The NFLPA contract agrees to a fine for a first time offense of a PSI infraction. I believe that Berman will agree to that so he can say that he still respects Goodell power as the commissioner.

  60. neelymessier says:
    Aug 16, 2015 4:01 PM
    The real reasons for the tarring of the Patriots:

    1) They neglected or defied a league order to move sideline in game filming to a designated location after the league changed the rules.

    2) Brady refused a directive to hand over his cellphone

    This is about power and the money paying for the PR.

    Not even the police have the right to command you to turn over your phone without a warrant….maybe it’s time for the powers that be to learn that they are NOT above the law. Goodell cites Article 46…you know what trumps Article 46, the specific rule dealing with equipment manipulation and US labor law and common law of the shop….not too mention the laws of common sense and decency!

  61. Why didn’t Brady just hand over his phone (especially if he was innocent)? You would think he’d want to do whatever he could to clear his name instead of impede the investigation.
    His lawyer said that they figured all he’d get was a fine for destroying the phone… So if he is truly hiding nothing, why even take a fine? He decides it’s better to destroy his phone and take a fine than just turn over his phone and clear his name? Something is fishy there…

  62. The idea of the settlement proceeding is lose-lose.
    Meeting half way was already tried. What more can be done? What can the judge do. The same is all. And his legal ease way of putting it will be no better than what was already offered.

  63. There is zero evidence to show proof that Brady was apart of deflating the footballs. The only thing he could be guilty of is not cooperating with the whole cell phone thing. But even if guilty of that, this is only a fine. No suspension. So once again, a mountain out of a mole hill.

    Hopefully next time the players wont give up so much power in the CBA.

  64. After all this time…and there’s still no evidence that the balls were even deflated. The only people who believe in the Exponent analysis work for the NFL. Other than them, every expert that has weighed in on the actual measurements have said it’s unclear if the balls were even deflated.

  65. Since the NFL filed for Berman to confirm their award, does that widen his scope, compared to an NFLPA initiated challenge?

    In other words, is the judge more likely to investigate the facts underlying the NFL’s award since the NFL filed to the court preemptively seeking confirmation on their authority?

    If so, did they NFL in their haste to outmaneuver the NFLPA screw themselves yet more?

  66. futures44 says:
    Aug 16, 2015 4:06 PM
    “Although no more than objective partiality is required to disqualify Goodell (NFLPA Mot. 14-15), the Award in fact evidences his actual bias. It is more smear campaign than reasoned decision — a propaganda piece written for public consumption, at a time when the NFL believed the transcript would be sealed from public view, to validate a multi-million-dollar “independent” investigation

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    Owners vs NFLPA for control of their business.
    Goodell is doing what the Owners tell him to do.
    He and Brady are pawns.

    TRUTH – Dont get in the way of shrewd Billionaires and their investments….

  67. holeinone09 says:
    Aug 16, 2015 4:56 PM

    PLEASE get this issue over with one way or the other. If I have to hear any more whining and crying by Pats fans and Brady, I may puke. It is pathetic, like the world is coming to an end or something. The Steelers will put up 40+ points in the first game whether Brady plays or not.
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    It would probably help your case if you weren’t such a crying whiner yourself.

  68. bigbenschancre says:
    Aug 16, 2015 5:04 PM
    We’re guilty but you can’t prove it? All that’s required is “preponderance of evidence”, and while Tommie destroyed his phone (after it being requested buy opposing counsel) in a effort to cover up any evidence, it will backfire on him. Book it.

    —No, Brady’s phone was not requested by opposing counsel, Wells testified that he did NOT ask for Brady’s phone. He did ask for info from the phone and Brady turned that over, Goodell admitted that the NFL decided not to pursue that info.

  69. .
    Owners who’ve publicly attested to the infallibility of the Wells Report and endorsed all Goodell’s sanctions :

    Johnson (NYJ)
    Ross (Miami)
    Rooney (Pittsburgh)
    Irsay (Indianapolis)
    McNair (Houston)
    Jones (Dallas)
    Mara (NYG)
    Bisciotti (Baltimore)

    Not surprisingly, all are on the Patriots schedule this year except Baltimore who is an AFC Division rival.
    .

  70. bizcybersec says:
    Aug 16, 2015 5:15 PM

    I can’t believe that you haters are still there .

    Everybody else, please ignore them. They do not know the facts, are too stinking lazy to investigate, and so gullible because they believe everything that they hear from the NFL. Even ignoring Judge Berman’s observation that the NFL had no evidence to prove their accusation.

    Don’t waste anymore time on them.

    They are haters and not worth repeating the facts over and over again because they are not listening.

    Leave them alone, both of you only get frustrated.
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    I can’t ignore them. They are like a circus freak show. Plus, I feel a little sorry for the Hater Faithful dullards.

  71. I wonder how many of you Pat’s fans would be slamming Goodell if this was another team/player ??? Or is it that you are angry over something he did to your team ???

  72. Since the Union is bringing this legal action the burden of proof is on them. Plus they have to overcome a judge’s bias against the guilty that destroy evidence. The penalties imposed against the Union and its member have consider frivolous waste of the court’s time.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Actually it was the NFL that filed the court case but don’t let the truth get in the way of your argument.

    There is no “burden” of proof in this case either way.

    There have been no penalties imposed against the union.

    You need to try harder…

  73. Neal, Brady has not been denied due process and he is welcome to keep going to court but it is not about his innocence. His defense basically is even if I did it, you can’t suspend me because I didn’t know what the punishment was. His other rock solid defense is it is not his penalty and JJ and JM were free lancing to help out their qb. Do you really think that is going to work in any one’s court?

  74. Anyone who has played cold weather football knows it takes a long time for air to leak out. A lot longer than it takes to play a half of football. Gronk already admitted to trying to spike the football and make them lose air because TB doesn’t like properly inflated footballs. You don’t win against the league Patriot fans, just ask Raiders and Saints fans. The Tuck rule was just invented to make screw the Raiders because of past litigation vs the league. TB better know his skirts coming off and he’s going to get hit like Favre did after his dick pic went public. Pats can kiss those favorable calls they got for years goodbye.

  75. thefatlazygamer says:
    Aug 16, 2015 3:53 PM

    The legal system is the greatest scam ever created.
    _____________________________

    That’s a famous quote from Mao or Stalin, right?

  76. There is no way the NFL will appeal. Every time this mess gets more light shone on it, the worse they look!

    Simple fact is that they have made a terrible blunder by filing this motion, because it does enable Judge Berman to look into the evidence that supported (or failed to support) the appeal hearing award in the first place. And we all know that that evidence will never hold up in court.

    Whichever owners are still pushing Goodell on are only costing themselves more money for what will ultimately be nothing. It is only too bad that the judges can’t vacate the penalties unfairly given to the franchise itself.

  77. Hey Patriot fans – if a team cheated in a game when they played the Patriots, we would never hear the end it. Because your team got caught again, you are pointing at the people that ratted out your golden boy.

    It’s not about who cheated. It’s about having a zero tolerance level for cheaters. If the Patriots are so great, why are they so insecure about themselves. That is the reason that cheaters continue to cheat.

    The idiot that listed all of the Patriot opponents is so far off. I don’t care if they were playing the blind school. Cheating is not cool.

  78. hawks1124 says:
    Aug 16, 2015 5:46 PM
    Anyone who has played cold weather football knows it takes a long time for air to leak out. A lot longer than it takes to play a half of football. Gronk already admitted to trying to spike the football and make them lose air because TB doesn’t like properly inflated footballs. You don’t win against the league Patriot fans, just ask Raiders and Saints fans. The Tuck rule was just invented to make screw the Raiders because of past litigation vs the league. TB better know his skirts coming off and he’s going to get hit like Favre did after his dick pic went public. Pats can kiss those favorable calls they got for years goodbye.
    __________________________________

    Not one factual item in that whole diatribe.

  79. People hate Goodell, but honestly I think he’s just a stooge for the owners so they don’t look like the one’s making the decisions. Why do you think his decisions are so swingy and disorganized? They’re coming from a handful of owners who rule the roost and enjoy a puppet working as commissioner.

  80. If you’re still on Team Goodell at this point (and you don’t work for the NFL), I strongly suspect the following is all true:

    1) You have internalized media “reporting” of NFL leaks that later turned out to be false or at least highly misleading (Pats balls were all 2.0 lbs under, Colts balls were all fine; Brady claimed he didn’t talk about DeflateGate with the ballboys; Brady “destroyed” his phone).

    2) You have not read the Wells Report or legal filings very closely. If you had, you’d realize that a) the “evidence” that there was any ball tampering during the Colts game was very very sketchy; and b) that the NFL had absolutely no evidence that Brady was involved in ANYTHING against the rules, which is why they had to claim that he was “generally aware” and later claim he was obstructing the investigation (not true).

    3) You have not thought about the fact that all of Brady’s actions to date are consistent with someone who believes he is innocent. When this whole thing started, I assumed, based on the press reports and what not, that Brady and the Pats were engaging in some shenanigans. But at this point, what we have is a $5-6 million investigation that has turned up NO direct evidence that the balls were manipulated, and no evidence whatsoever that Brady was involved, and on the other hand, you have Tom Brady volunteering to testify under oath (and risk perjury charges, if say, the two ballboys later contradict him).

    If you’re looking at the FACTs (and not NFL propaganda) objectively, there’s really not any reason to think Brady is guilty. Add in the NFL’s obvious bad faith throughout this entire process (tons of shady stuff going on, with the worst being Goodell’s blatant lie as to what Brady had testified to, when he thought the transcript was going to be sealed), and I don’t understand why anyone would be on Team Goodell.

  81. Ask fans in San Diego, Oakland and St Louis if the NFL cares what people think about the league and its owners. They’re bulletproof and they know it so the media can stop saying how bad this is for the league.

  82. gregdixon3300,

    Nobody likes a cheater, not even Patriots fans. As soon as the Patriots actually get caught cheating, be sure to let us know, won’t you? (And no, stealing signs is not cheating.)

  83. gregdixon3300 says:
    Aug 16, 2015 5:48 PM

    Hey Patriot fans – if a team cheated in a game when they played the Patriots, we would never hear the end it. Because your team got caught again, you are pointing at the people that ratted out your golden boy.

    It’s not about who cheated. It’s about having a zero tolerance level for cheaters. If the Patriots are so great, why are they so insecure about themselves. That is the reason that cheaters continue to cheat.

    The idiot that listed all of the Patriot opponents is so far off. I don’t care if they were playing the blind school. Cheating is not cool.
    _______________________

    Problem with your reasoning. No one on the Patriots was “caught” doing anything. Seriously. Look it up. The Wells Report had to use bad science and seriously speculative assumptions to get to the conclusion that the balls had even been tampered with.

    But yes, the Vikings, Chargers, and other teams were all actually “caught” manipulating balls. And no one I know claimed that those teams should get reamed. They got off with a warning. Do you know why? Because until the NFL started launching this PR initiative, no one cared about the PSIs of the balls. That’s why they didn’t record them, that’s why they didn’t check them, that’s why they basically gave the refs carte blanche on how they checked the balls.

    You’re eating up the NFL’s propaganda cochise.

  84. couchbasher says:
    Aug 16, 2015 4:06 PM
    It’s obvious Tom Brady influenced ball deflation at some point in his career… why is Tom continuing to act like a teenager fighting his parents?

    _______________________

    Because in this case the parents are meth dealers.

  85. You haters are just embarrassing yourselves now. Regardless of what happens with Brady’s suspension, the pertinent facts are now public and on the record, and any reasonable person can see that Brady was railroaded.

    The NFL has lied, consistently, through this entire process. If the Patriots are guilty (of deflating footballs by a whopping 0.3 PSI, undetectable by any mere mortal), why does the NFL feel they have to keep lying?

  86. Btw, on the legal point, it won’t end for a while, but from Brady’s perspective, this oughta be resolved after Judge Berman’s ruling. Second Circuit isn’t going to hear an NFL appeal, because the NFL literally conducted the worst investigation and arbitration proceeding I’ve ever heard of in my legal career.

    And unless there’s some new evidence out there implicating Brady, the Wells Report CLEARLY doesn’t have enough evidence for any independent (read: FAIR) arbitrator to find against Brady. Like Florio said a while back, Brady may be guilty of something (although I became convinced he was innocent when I read the transcript), but the NFL hasn’t come close to proving it.

  87. brianyourwordsarehurtful somebody’s grandma got him a word a day calendar for X-mas. Now if she could get you to stop drinking PBR, get off the couch and stop saying things are wicked awesome we might have a productive member of society.

  88. marianfl24 says:
    Aug 16, 2015 5:39 PM
    I wonder how many of you Pat’s fans would be slamming Goodell if this was another team/player ??? Or is it that you are angry over something he did to your team ???

    1 3
    ———————————————————————

    The Patriots arent my team and I want this clown canned ASAP. This has nothing to do with which team, it has everything to with an incompetent scumbag on a witchhunt. Its called ethics and integrity of which Goodell has neither.

  89. No it won’t be over because Pats fans follow Brady’s example as the ultimate whiners.

    If they lose they’ll whine, if they win they’ll whine.

    Regardless they’re documented repeat cheaters.

    And the world knows.

    Cheers.

  90. @tsmith7777: the opinions of the populace are completely irrelevant. Judge Berman has a lifetime appointment to the federal bench. This is ensure that his rulings, and those of all federal judges, are not affected by constituents or other outside influences.

    Because the main purpose of the judiciary branch is to be a check on the power of the executive and legislative branches whose members are, you know, elected by their constituents.

    Besides, despite all the emotions surrounding this case, it’s nothing more than a breach of contract action.

  91. Judge Berman called the NFL out on the 3 points I mentioned.

    1.) Where is the direct evidence Brady ordered the balls inflated below the legal limt?

    NFL has NONE and atty Nash said they dont have any.

    2.) So basically Wells’ invesitgation was to confirm Goodell’s decision?

    NFL Attorney David Nash LIED and said he wouldnt characterize it that way. Really thats why the wording in your own filing said the CBA said the Investigation doesnt have to be independent.

    I’m looking at the statistics for Mr. Brady and his stats were actually better with properly inflated footballs. You could argue there is no vompetitive advantage.

    Strike 3 NFL! you lose liars!

  92. brianyourwordsarehurtful says:
    Aug 16, 2015 5:57 PM

    gregdixon3300,

    Nobody likes a cheater, not even Patriots fans. As soon as the Patriots actually get caught cheating, be sure to let us know, won’t you? (And no, stealing signs is not cheating.)
    =======

    Odd both Belichick and Kraft apologized to the other owners, paid a fine and gave up draft picks.

    So yes, taping other teams’ practices was cheating.

    Cheers

  93. Why I think Berman will rule against the NFL? Berman stopped Nash when he was talking about pattern of abuse by saying “What does it have to do with the January 15 game? This report is only about that game.”.

    The NFL appeal changed the rule to talk about a scheme of deflating footballs.

    If Berman believes that’s what the Wells Report is about, he’s bound to rule the NFL ruling did not follow the evidence.

  94. Its laughable how Goodell demands the players respect him and his punishments, errrr, lies.

    yet the NFL and the owners and Goodell wont respect a Federal Judge when he rules to vacate the suspension and let Brady play because you know these scumbags will appeal hoping to find a Judge they can bribe in the Appellate Court.

  95. I love all these Patriots fans calling for Goodell’s head claiming that he’s out to get them when this is the same exact guy who saved the Patriots by destroying the SpyGate tapes. It’s a team that can’t keep its nose clean with a fanbase that denies reality.

  96. this is a direct appeal to bill simmons to make his first film for hbo a documentary of this saga.

    opening scene should be the kickoff game vs steelers, sabol-style dramatic slow-motion, voice like john facenda, players run out of the tunnel, cut to goodell in section 312, sitting with the “customers”…

  97. I don’t think the NFL will pursue an appeal if they lose. They don’t want to look like this is a witch hunt and it will be confirmed if they appeal. Plus, what legit chance will they have of winning. This is it. This is their only chance.

  98. Eliminate Pats fans and everybody knows the Patriots and Brady are small bore liars and cheaters. And they aren’t the only ones in NFL, but they are the most aggressive. It’s obvious common sense that Brady long ago suggested his balls be softened, and so they have been, all these years. Now caught, the honorable way out is to say “Yeah, I prefer ’em that way, and maybe the guys just helped me a little bit.” Is he capable of honor? Many doubt it. He works for mini-me, the tough guy. When the going gets tough . . .

  99. Judge Berman needs to make Goodell testify under oath. Goodell is a compulsive liar. Then he can be locked up for perjury.

    Goodell has lied constantly to the public. Therefore, he cannot be an impartial or competent Arbiter in any case, let alone this one.

    I would love for Judge Berman to expose Goodell for all the lies and corruption in his office and Goodell’s personal corrupt actions and make him answer questions under oath, just like he ordered Brady to do.

    We all know Goodell and the League Office are the only liars in this case.

  100. realitycheckbaby says:
    Aug 16, 2015 6:19 PM
    brianyourwordsarehurtful says:
    Aug 16, 2015 5:57 PM

    gregdixon3300,

    Nobody likes a cheater, not even Patriots fans. As soon as the Patriots actually get caught cheating, be sure to let us know, won’t you? (And no, stealing signs is not cheating.)
    =======

    Odd both Belichick and Kraft apologized to the other owners, paid a fine and gave up draft picks.

    So yes, taping other teams’ practices was cheating.

    Cheers

    ———–

    The Patriots never taped another teams practice. Hard to imagine someone would take the time to make that comment yet have no idea what happened.

  101. The players gave the power of judge jury & executioner to Goodell in the last CBA. So I really don’t see why this has gone as far as it has. Crybrady needs to shut up, take his punishment and move on to week 6 when he can play again. All Crybrady had to do was cooperate and HE chose not too. That is on him. If he were 100% innocent it doesn’t make much sense that he would not have cooperated. I am not a patriot’s fan, however, had he cooperated I think this would have had a different outcome and we would be so far past this crap. Had he cooperated, he probably would have gotten a fine and that would have been the end of it. But now Crybrady is acting like a toddler. He didn’t get his way and now this entire situation has gotten so out of control. But again, the bottom line is the players gave control to Goodell. You can’t have it both ways. Sorry!

  102. realnflfan2015 says:
    Aug 16, 2015 6:16 PM
    Listen to Boston Sports radio sometime. Anyone
    think Boston fans have any idea want true sportsmanship is
    is wasting their time
    ======
    I tuned in via internet the day Kraft announced he was not going to fight the team penalties. And I listened a few more days. I’d have to agree with you. It’s all about them. Always. And only about them. There’s no room in their thinking for looking at anything from anyone else’s point of view.

  103. brianyourwordsarehurtful says:
    Aug 16, 2015 5:57 PM

    Odd both Belichick and Kraft apologized to the other owners, paid a fine and gave up draft picks.

    So yes, taping other teams’ practices was cheating.

    Cheers

    _______________________

    Except the Patriots never taped anyones’ practices. That is the problem here, some of us just don’t know what they are talking about.

  104. The Patriots never taped another teams practice. Hard to imagine someone would take the time to make that comment yet have no idea what happened.

    ==========

    No they just giving up fines and draft picks because they DON’T cheat.

    LOL

    Cheers

  105. who said: The Steelers will put up 40+ points in the first game whether Brady plays or not.

    Ok I love my steelers but you are delusional…..

  106. limakey says:
    Aug 16, 2015 4:01 PM
    The league will not lose. Brady, regardless of the court doesn’t have a case. All the evidence is on the NFL’S side. Brady has no leverage.
    ————————————————————–

    Is that you, Goodell? lol

  107. bullcharger says:
    Aug 16, 2015 6:42 PM
    realitycheckbaby says:
    Aug 16, 2015 6:19 PM
    brianyourwordsarehurtful says:
    Aug 16, 2015 5:57 PM

    gregdixon3300,

    Nobody likes a cheater, not even Patriots fans. As soon as the Patriots actually get caught cheating, be sure to let us know, won’t you? (And no, stealing signs is not cheating.)
    =======

    Odd both Belichick and Kraft apologized to the other owners, paid a fine and gave up draft picks.

    So yes, taping other teams’ practices was cheating.

    Cheers

    ———–

    The Patriots never taped another teams practice. Hard to imagine someone would take the time to make that comment yet have no idea what happened.
    ———————————————————–

    Not as hard to imagine as you would think. Even though you are obviously correct (they never taped a practice/walkthrough, that was disproven long ago) Hannah Storm and Bill Polian still say it on ESPN as if it was fact. It’s embarrassing.

    So if members of the media still can’t be bothered to know the facts, I am not shocked some random schmuck like the guy above doesn’t either. In fact, he probably heard Storm or Polian say it and that’s where he got it from. lol

    ESPN is a joke.

  108. limakey says:
    Aug 16, 2015 5:43 PM
    Neal, Brady has not been denied due process and he is welcome to keep going to court but it is not about his innocence. His defense basically is even if I did it, you can’t suspend me because I didn’t know what the punishment was. His other rock solid defense is it is not his penalty and JJ and JM were free lancing to help out their qb. Do you really think that is going to work in any one’s court?
    ____________________________________
    Clearly Limakey has not read the NFL briefs. Therein the NFL lawyers declare that the facts of the case are irrelevant…only that Goodell has authority to proceed on his own judgment. Basically, you are accusing the NFLPA of depending on technicalities to release Brady from punishment when in fact it is the NFL attempting to impose punishments on the basis not of guilt or innocence but mere technicalities.

  109. Facts? Here are the facts that no Patsy fan will address:

    1. The stooge calls himself you Deflator. Why?

    2. The Deflator takes the approved balls from the officials room, against rules. Why?

    3. The Deflator goes into a room at the end of the hallway with the balls, caught on video. Why?

    4. The Deflator tells Jastremski he wants signed merch, kicks. Then Brady presents him with the exact things he asked for. Why?

    5. The Pats organization say he called himself the Deflator because he wanted to lose weight. Why, based on what?

    GO ahead, let the Pats fans finally and reasonably explain these facts. It has never happened, and probably never will. That is why non-native fans think Brady is a cheater and knew what was going on. You all must think everyone is stupid.

  110. OK…it’s a bit O/T…but still…

    A couple of weeks ago Mrs. Tom Brady (and her sister) were both seen wearing burkhas (illegal, BTW, in Paris) sneaking into a high end Parisian cosmetic surgery center. So despite years of Mrs. Tom Brady railing against plastic surgery, her vanity got the best of her and she went under the knife.

    So she’s a vain hypocrite. Her husband is a vain lying cheater (his favorite activity when not cheating on a football field or lying under oath? watching tapes of himself cheating on a football field).

    And then there’s Tom on a private plane with Ben Affleck and his “nanny” — but no Jennifer Garner or Gisele. And Ben/Jen’s divorce. And Tom/Gisele’s reported fights — on her birthday, no less. (And we already know what a low life Brady is after he dumped his then-pregnant girlfriend Bridget Moynahan for his current estranged wife.)

    So yes folks…the wheels are slowly but surely coming off the Tom Brady legacy bus. (How to split that $460M?)

    (And it couldn’t happen to a better (ironic) person.)

  111. I think we need a Snopes page to keep track of the imaginary scandals dreamed up by the Haters obsessed by the Patriots

    Of course ESPN mis-reported the practice taping last week – wonder how much Goodell paid them for that?!

  112. Only in HaterLogic [sic] would an NFL fan side with the most corrupt and incompetent commissioner in history instead of being objective about the Super Bowl champions. They’ve drank so much Haterade ™ that they ignore the previous 4 federal cases where Goodell was caught lying and manipulating the media about other teams/players. As long as Goodell is around, your team will be next.

  113. stew48 says:
    Aug 16, 2015 4:36 PM
    It would certainly be interesting to know how many of these responders are Pats fans. A national survey conducted by someone other than ESPN or PFT would probably shock your readers. Brady/Pats are not on good terms with the mass. It is really surprising the judge has not told NFLPA that they negotiated the deal, now live with it. He may yet do that, regardless of the MF writings.

    ?
    Are you making a point that because the Pats are unpopular outside of NE the judge should rule against them? You might yet get your fervant wish and the judge could rule against Brady. He would then have a legal right to appeal. And he would file an appeal. That would be inconvenient to the haters but we have not given up the right to due process in this country. What Florio has been arguing, correctly, is that the NFL should be exhibiting a modicum of fairness to meet the essence of the CBA. They have not done that. The law is ugly and slow but it usually gets it right. Unlike some of the expert commenters on this site I am not predicting the outcome. If you think Berman hears you, he doesn’t.

  114. holeinone09 says:
    Aug 16, 2015 7:32 PM

    Facts? Here are the facts that no Patsy fan will address:

    1. The stooge calls himself you Deflator. Why?

    2. The Deflator takes the approved balls from the officials room, against rules. Why?

    3. The Deflator goes into a room at the end of the hallway with the balls, caught on video. Why?

    4. The Deflator tells Jastremski he wants signed merch, kicks. Then Brady presents him with the exact things he asked for. Why?

    5. The Pats organization say he called himself the Deflator because he wanted to lose weight. Why, based on what?

    GO ahead, let the Pats fans finally and reasonably explain these facts. It has never happened, and probably never will. That is why non-native fans think Brady is a cheater and knew what was going on. You all must think everyone is stupid.

    ===========

    I would add…

    Once the rule changed, the Pats cut their own long term fumble rate by 50%. How?

    Cheers

  115. If Brady and the Patriots are innocent, why did their owner accept the penalties assessed to the team and by doing so admit guilt? If Brady and the Patriots were innocent, would he not have shouted from the rooftops about what a travesty it is and filed every single appeal at his disposal?

    Kraft did not appeal because he knows the Patriots were guilty. It’s also odd that Belichick has not come out and defended Brady in any way in the last 7 months.

  116. Re: holeinone09

    >Facts? Here are the facts that no Patsy fan will address:

    Seriously?! Have you not read the Wells report, court transcripts, or a million other articles written about this in the last 8 months?! Oh, wait, you must be one of the millions that just read the headlines.

    >1. The stooge calls himself you Deflator. Why?

    Wilson footballs are sent to all NFL teams at 13.5 psi straight from the factory. If any QB wants them lowered, someone has to do it.

    >2. The Deflator takes the approved balls from the officials room, against rules. Why?

    Wrong. Because every job description in the world ends with “other duties as assigned” and the officials in all 32 stadiums don’t do it themselves. So locker room attendants all over the NFL bring them to the field.

    >3. The Deflator goes into a room at the end of the hallway with the balls, caught on video. Why?

    So? It was a rest room and he had to take a piss.

    >4. The Deflator tells Jastremski he wants signed merch, kicks. Then Brady presents him with the exact things he asked for. Why?

    So? Every NFL QB in the league does this for his locker room attendants.

    >5. The Pats organization say he called himself the Deflator because he wanted to lose weight. Why, based on what?

    Based on sworn testimony. The same oath that Goodell continues to lie under for 5 federal cases now, but for some reason you give the most corrupt NFL commissioner ever a free pass. Why?

  117. >sbaltimore says:
    >
    >A couple of weeks ago Mrs. Tom Brady

    Great, now we have busy-bodies checking in from the gossip papers, like this is relevant in any way…SMH.

  118. Goodell and the NFL need to get off their high horse. There was no proof that he deflated the football’s, or that he may have knew. All they got is speculation. Goodell need’s to excuse himself from all appeals to his rulings. Let somebody that the NFLPA & the NFL agree on decide the appeals. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

  119. atwatercrushesokoye says:

    >If Brady and the Patriots are innocent, why did their owner accept the penalties assessed to the team and by doing so admit guilt?

    Kraft told you why. Weren’t you paying attention?!

    Al Davis is the only NFL owner to date to file a lawsuit against his fellow owners. If Brady wins this case, Kraft should become the 2nd to get back his $1M and draft picks. But he probably won’t because he’s a team player.

  120. gregdixon3300 says:
    Aug 16, 2015 4:36 PM
    Let;s solve this mess. Give Brady, Goodell and the ball boys truth serum. Let’s find the truth. I am sure that Brady would never go for that. He such the pompous liar that has acted like he is guilty. The phone, the texts, the weight loss program. Give us intelligent folks a break.
    ___________________________________

    AMEN!! Best post on the thread……

  121. El Jefe says:
    Aug 16, 2015 7:49 PM

    Re: holeinone09

    >Facts? Here are the facts that no Patsy fan will address:

    Seriously?! Have you not read the Wells report, court transcripts, or a million other articles written about this in the last 8 months?! Oh, wait, you must be one of the millions that just read the headlines.

    >1. The stooge calls himself you Deflator. Why?

    Wilson footballs are sent to all NFL teams at 13.5 psi straight from the factory. If any QB wants them lowered, someone has to do it.

    >2. The Deflator takes the approved balls from the officials room, against rules. Why?

    Wrong. Because every job description in the world ends with “other duties as assigned” and the officials in all 32 stadiums don’t do it themselves. So locker room attendants all over the NFL bring them to the field.

    >3. The Deflator goes into a room at the end of the hallway with the balls, caught on video. Why?

    So? It was a rest room and he had to take a piss.

    >4. The Deflator tells Jastremski he wants signed merch, kicks. Then Brady presents him with the exact things he asked for. Why?

    So? Every NFL QB in the league does this for his locker room attendants.

    >5. The Pats organization say he called himself the Deflator because he wanted to lose weight. Why, based on what?

    Based on sworn testimony. The same oath that Goodell continues to lie under for 5 federal cases now, but for some reason you give the most corrupt NFL commissioner ever a free pass. Why?

    =========

    I thought Deflator was weight loss name…

    LOL

    Stop, you’re embarrassing yourself.

    Cheers

  122. El Jefe: He took the balls from the officials room without their permission (something which is needed before they can then carry the balls to the field escorted by an official) which caused the officials to bring NFL Security into it and they considered using backup footballs.

    There are things such as “other duties” but you need to work within the framework of the rules to fulfill them.

    So now, lets re-ask, why did he go into the officials room, grab the footballs without permission, not get one of the officials to escort him and the balls out to the field, only to go into a locked bathroom, all against the rules and practices in place?

  123. limakey says:
    Aug 16, 2015 5:43 PM

    Neal, Brady has not been denied due process and he is welcome to keep going to court but it is not about his innocence. His defense basically is even if I did it, you can’t suspend me because I didn’t know what the punishment was. His other rock solid defense is it is not his penalty and JJ and JM were free lancing to help out their qb. Do you really think that is going to work in any one’s court?
    ————————————————————-
    Brady has testified under oath that he did not do any of the things of which he is accused.

    However, in this appeal, Judge Berman is supposed to be focused purely on process, and so Brady’s lawyers are arguing what they can.

  124. El Jefe: Kraft already accepted guilt, he can’t then sue after that fact, the NFL would introduce the evidence of him accepting guilt and the lawsuit would be dismissed. Al Davis actually had a case the first time, Kraft does not.

    If Kraft is that upset he’s well within his rights to sell his ownership in the group of 32.

  125. >realitycheckbaby says:
    >
    >Stop, you’re embarrassing yourself.

    Anyone who sides with Roger Goodell, the most corrupt and incompetent commissioner in NFL history, is an embarrassment to sports fans everywhere.

    Cheers!

  126. >atwatercrushesokoye says:
    >
    >El Jefe: He took the balls from the officials room without their permission (something which is needed before they can then carry the balls to the field escorted by an official) which caused the officials to bring NFL Security into it and they considered using backup footballs.

    Right, and it was down in plain view of the refs and JJ even passed by some NFL officials on the way to the field (per the Wells report) and they didn’t stop him. I’ve been to several NFL stadiums and the only footballs the refs bring to the field are the K footballs. The locker room attendants for both teams always bring their respective footballs to the field. The NFL may have a rule, but none of the 32 teams or refs are following it. And if Wells had performed an independent investigation into the entire NFL, he would have discovered this and much more.

  127. >atwatercrushesokoye says:

    >El Jefe: Kraft already accepted guilt, he can’t then sue after that fact, the NFL would introduce the evidence of him accepting guilt and the lawsuit would be dismissed. Al Davis actually had a case the first time, Kraft does not.

    Legal sports analysts disagree with you. Judge Berman already said there’s no evidence. If Berman vacates Brady’s suspension then Kraft is stuck with a penalty for something that doesn’t exist. Sounds to me like he has a great case.

  128. El Jefe says:
    Aug 16, 2015 8:11 PM

    >realitycheckbaby says:
    >
    >Stop, you’re embarrassing yourself.

    Anyone who sides with Roger Goodell, the most corrupt and incompetent commissioner in NFL history, is an embarrassment to sports fans everywhere.

    Cheers!
    ===========

    How about someone who cheers for, and makes excuses for, a team caught cheating multiple times?

    Cheers

  129. Limakey…Absolutely. The NFLPA is trying to get Brady off the hook on a technicality. Of course the NFL is trying to punish him on a technicality. The NFL has failed to prove anything was done and it has failed to prove that Brady was involved in something that might possibly have been done but probably wasn’t. However, the NFL case does not hinge on facts, as they clarify in their own brief, but rather the technicality that the commissioner can do whatever he wants irregardless of facts. The NFLPA is indeed basing a case around technicalities in the CBA to counter the faulty NFL case that only has legs because of technicalities in the CBA. Cannot find any fault in the NFLPA in this matter whatsoever.

  130. Way to go NFLPA, blow the union’s money defending a lying, cheating, scum cheater, who thinks he’s above the rules of the game, the CBA he voted for giving the commissioner full authority, and the rest of society. Way to set an example for the kids Shady – Not!

  131. El Jefe, the judge is not there to rule on Brady’s innocence. What he is doing now is to try to force a settlement. The Wells Report said it had no direct evidence linking Brady to the scheme. That is no shocker. However, the framing of his questions clearly indicate the balls were deflated by JM. Brady’s own lawyer said if this was done, JJ and JM were free lancing.

  132. realitycheckbaby:

    Which team was (legitimately) “caught cheating multiple times”?

    The Patriots weren’t. As Judge Berman points out: Where’s the evidence that they did something wrong?

  133. The team was fined, and lost draft picks (again), the player Brady has a 4-game suspension. The equipment men were ordered suspended and have effectively been ‘disappeared’.

    So how is it that the head coach Belichick has totally avoided being entangled in this imbroglio, when the Saints head coach Payton was hosed so badly because “ignorance is no excuse”?

    Especially since Belichick’s past history includes being fined a record $500,000. for Spygate.

    Also, according to Florio the equipment men have never once testified under oath.

    Many QBs past and present have said how seriously they take ball preparation. Wouldn’t the ultra-competitive Brady be at the top of that scale?

    And, is it possible Brady destroyed that phone for more important non-football reasons?

  134. Excellent Mike….getting all his advice from the locker room of Brady’s lawyers. As if the only option would be Brady plays, but suspended later, suspended maybe later or not suspended at all.

    The Judge would do incredible harm to the league creating a precedent of helping the Patriots from what the league decided. The credibility of the NFL would be damaged forever – not going to happen.

  135. Imagine this scenario..

    Brady gets to play, then retires in a year. However, the ball boys never testify. Wow…that would be different rules for Patriots.

  136. “If the NFLPA wins, it undoubtedly means Brady will be permitted to play pending the resolution of the appeal. Then, if the NFLPA loses on appeal, Brady would sit out four games at some point in the future, possibly in 2016.”
    _________________________

    It would be ironically just if the NFLPA lost on appeal and Brady’s four game suspension begins with the first playoff game. With Maurice Smith at the helm I could see this happening.

  137. limakey says:
    Aug 16, 2015 5:43 PM
    Neal, Brady has not been denied due process and he is welcome to keep going to court but it is not about his innocence. His defense basically is even if I did it, you can’t suspend me because I didn’t know what the punishment was. His other rock solid defense is it is not his penalty and JJ and JM were free lancing to help out their qb. Do you really think that is going to work in any one’s court?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    What you have failed to understand is what is on trial here is the CBA and the NFL’s interpretation of it. Hence Brady’s lawyers and the NFLPA have to fight that situation and cannot fight his supposed (unproven) guilt because it is not permissible under this particular trial.

    That would change completely if he filed in court for civil action for defamation, slander, and libel at that stage his lawyers would then have the legal right to cross examine witness and to call witnesses to the stand under oath. People go on and on and on about Brady and his destroyed phone do you honestly think if Brady files this team will not ask for the likes of Goodell, Wells, Vincent, Pash to make available their phones and their texts>

    At NO time so far has Brady’s team been able to properly cross examine the evidence under oath.

    For the record non of the above will ever allow their phones to be subject to a subpoena. The best analogy I have seen so far is it is like Goodell and Brady in a boxing ring except Brady’s hand are tied behind his back!

  138. This is how it will happen:

    1.. Try to force a settlement, by threatening to bring in testimony of the ball boys.

    2. The Judge will hear the matter in Court, but will not stay the suspension because the CBA agreement takes precedence. A judge can’t decide integrity of the game.

    3. The matter will be dropped because by the time it is heard in court, the suspension will be over. Brady will act the innocent victim and NE fans will go all self-righteous and the NFL moves on.

  139. For those making the case that McNally deflates footballs pregame in the bathroom (seems like a decent amount still), why are there zero other videos of him going into the bathroom before games? If this is a long running scheme then McNally takes the balls into the bathroom before every game and deflates them a little bit. The investigation did not include one other instance of this. So that essentially rules out ANY thought that this scheme existed for more than the AFC Championship. Indisputably.

    As for the championship, are we really supposed to believe that McNally and Brady concocted a scheme that they had never used before for this one single game, and all they let out of the balls was 0.4 psi? Common sense people, I know its hard to look at this objectively if you don’t like the Patriots, but look at the facts I just laid out and explain to me HOW you still believe this inspite of this.

    It simply makes far more sense that there is nothing here than to believe in something that 5 million bucks and 4 months couldn’t seem to prove.

  140. Try to force a settlement, by threatening to bring in testimony of the ball boys.
    ************************
    Moronic.
    Pats let them go, you think pats would let them go if they were afraid their talking freely?

    Even judge sides with NFL, he will order all the documents to be opened to public, that will be a huge win for Brady, as it opens the door for defamation suit.

  141. Remember the Colts complaining about the Pats ball pressure from their regular season matchup in Indy? The one that McNally watched from his couch in New Hampshire? Do you people get it yet?

  142. For those making the case that McNally deflates footballs pregame in the bathroom (seems like a decent amount still),

    ****************************************

    Simple logic that an acceptable explanation should not lead to something that is highly impossible.

    If “deflator” means deflating footballs, it implies that Pats and Brady had cheated for years.

    But how can you explain that Pats and Brady had cheated for years, on something nobody checked or cared, but million dollar investigation failed to find any hard evidence, not even a text message between Brady and McNally?

    how can you explain McNally worried about not getting signed gifts from brady if he had helped brady cheat for years?

    Therefore “deflator” can’t possibly mean deflating balls.

  143. For those making the case that McNally deflates footballs pregame in the bathroom (seems like a decent amount still),

    ************************************

    I don’t think they eat anything other than what is put on their lovely plates :

    (1) the psi of Pats balls at half time was within the range GIVEN BY LEAGUE.

    (2) the psi of Colts balls at half time was significantly higher than expected.

    (3) McNally voluntarily stayed after the game for being questioned.

    (4) McNally called himself “deflator” from a lifting room.

  144. jrossizzle says:
    Aug 16, 2015 8:59 PM
    What level can Brady’s text messages be subpoenaed?
    That’s when all this will suddenly stop.
    =======

    AT&T has stated that the texts and other info from the phone are irretrievable.
    Hard to believe but that was their statement.

  145. El Jefe: So he did it in plain sight of the officials, but not one of them gave him permission to take the balls to the field and not one accompanied him (as per usual protocol) and it was done in such pain sight that the officials got upset and brought NFL security into it.

    Yep, that’s not an issue at all…

  146. Goodell isn’t the problem here! The NFLPA made a bad agreement when they signed on to Goodell being judge and jury for these hearings. I think it is a bad call when you run hearings in that fashion. Usually those type of hearings are courteous and brief. Very few are modified. I does not matter if you use a tribunal or 6 cab drivers from Pakistan, management usually meets their contractual obligation to listen and even vote before they do pretty much what the bosses have already decided to do. Mediators and the courts usually come to play even if the commissioner and the board are all following the contract.

    Appeals are expected. Brady may not do a game suspension this season. A trail and the appeal could take a couple of years if everyone asks for a continuance or two. Brady might be retired by then. Does anyone care if Brady plays this year, other than the NE fans? I would hope that all of the owners realize that Kraft has cheated them time after time in order to dominate in a sport where parity is the central theme. If I were an owner I would stick it to Mr. Kraft through the commissioner and be very nice to Mr. Kraft at meetings. No sense getting worked up at a meeting!

  147. Anyone who thinks a judge is going to remove the commissioner’s authority to punish players for league related issues is an absolute fool. The spead at which the Judge will dispell with Shady Brady’s hopes is going bewilder him and his pathetic supporters. And the appeal to a cirtuit appeals court will require a majority of the appeals court to believe the NFLPA will succeed on appeal before they will even accept the case to hear legal arguments…and that won’t happen. This case is almost at it’s end.

  148. t38267 says:
    Aug 16, 2015 8:40 PM

    realitycheckbaby:

    Which team was (legitimately) “caught cheating multiple times”?

    The Patriots weren’t. As Judge Berman points out: Where’s the evidence that they did something wrong?

    =======

    Well let’s see…

    Deflator.

    Bathroom break.

    Deflated footballs.

    Equip guy demanding payoffs.

    Brady giving payoffs.

    Fumbless falling by 50%.

    Oh yeah, and Kraft already admitted it.

    Cheers

  149. Cheers….you don’t know what you are talking about.
    -Kraft never admitted anything…WRONG
    -Better teams fumble less?
    -Brady gave everybody souvenoirs
    -Equipment guy joking
    -Deflated footballs BEFORE they were given to offic.
    -So am I to believe you don’t use the bathroom? (Depends are wonderful I guess)
    -And phone was destroyed AFTER the NFL said they didn’t want it.

    You come with lies, I come with facts. Just like Berman.

  150. dolphincritic- of course Goddell is the problem! If he had only told the truth about the PSI levels none of this would have gone on. Not to mention surrounding himself with uneducated former football players . If Vincent had any knowledge of the Ideal Gas Law he would have realized the PSI level on the intercepted football was spot on. Kensil too.

  151. Basically it boils down to using phonetics to appease the prissy tarnished boy. To make it sound like he wasn’t cheating when he was. Even in cheating they cheat.

  152. They call me inspector gadget. Let me see if I can solve this mess:

    League wide knowledge that Brady has his buds deflate balls
    Gifts and texts given to ball boys he claims to not know
    The balls were taken to the crapper before the game
    Uncooperative with investigators
    Says his buddy that he claims to not know is on a diet plan
    Conveniently destroys his phone.

    Wow – I would have to be a Patriot fan to figure this out.

  153. ztigr says:
    Aug 16, 2015 9:41 PM

    Cheers….you don’t know what you are talking about.

    -Kraft never admitted anything…WRONG
    ~ no he just paid a huge fine and gave up draft picks… Obviously innocent behavior.

    -Better teams fumble less?
    ~ so the Pats cut THEIR OWN FUMBLE rate by 50% because during their first Superbowls, when the Pats were using illegal Spying to win, they weren’t very good? OK

    -Brady gave everybody souvenoirs
    ~ OH yeah and everyone says they’re going to ESPN if they don’t get the souvenirs, huh?

    -Equipment guy joking
    ~ yes it’s grat job security to ‘joke’ about the QB cheating.

    -Deflated footballs BEFORE they were given to offic.
    ~ And after.

    -So am I to believe you don’t use the bathroom? (Depends are wonderful I guess)
    ~ I don’t illegally bring in game balls to put on the piss filled floor and I certainly know if there’s a urinal or a toilet.

    -And phone was destroyed AFTER the NFL said they didn’t want it.
    ~ Factually incorrect. The investigators wanted texts, were denied, and then it was destroyed.

    You come with lies, I come with facts. Just like
    Berman.

    You’re living in the Pats’ circle of incestuous falsehoods to bolster your hopes that your team isn’t based on cheating, but it is.

    Cheers

  154. League wide knowledge? Why didn’t take preemptive measures to prevent it

    Gifts I knew some who worked for the Sox players in all sports give gifts autographs very common thing to do

    You mean you had your toilet cam in there so you know he actually wasn’t using a bathroom for what it used for? You have a toilet cam stay the hell away from me

    Uncooperative Farve was involving cell phones only fined 50K no suspension Chargers were only fined 20 no investigation no asking Rivers for his phone

    destroyed phone? TB destroyed it after the league said they don’t need it then they changed their minds. Oh and Wells told TB he would not be suspended for obstruction

    Colts balls also underinflated why weren’t they investigated
    I bet you work for the NFL your accusations are as inconsistent as theirs

  155. Kraft is a businessman he looked at cost effectiveness. You can do that without admitting wrongdoing. He saw the price of the fight being greater then the cost of the penalty> he saw it harming the league. He thought wrongly the league would accept his good faith They didn’t

    The Pats spied once were caught and that was in September of 07. Any proof they spied since?

    I know someone that worked for the Sox athletes giving souvenirs and autographs is very common

    Colts balls were also under inflated why didn’t the league investigate?

    Ever use that Bathroom? You know what is in there and what is not?

  156. Anyone that has read the Wells report and has taken a physics class would consider this deflate debate an insult to their intelligence.

  157. Please, just take 2 weeks Tom.

    Issue a statement saying you aren’t guilty but are taking 2 weeks to rise above this mess. Everyone will side with you. No one will call you a cheat. Goodell will be publicly shamed by everyone.

  158. You come with lies, I come with facts.
    ****************************************
    RealityCheckbaby,

    You know facts? besides what is put on your plate, what do you know ?

    If Pats had cheated for years, ON SOMETHING NOBODY CARED,

    How is it possible that million dollar investigation failed to find any hard evidence, not even a text message between Brady and McNally?.

    How is it possible that McNally had to worry about not getting yabout not getting signed gifts from brady?

    That is why “deflator” can’t possibly mean deflating football, get it?

  159. My question is always going to be this “If the league thought this was even a worthy issue to chase why did they let the first half be played with these balls that, according to some misguided or flagrantly deluded detractors, are the equivalent of making Patriots players run 2.5 second 40’s and be able to throw a Buick 70 yards down field? Because the league knows it never altered the outcome of a single play nonetheless game. That’s why.

  160. bobnelsonjr says:
    Aug 16, 2015 5:07 PM
    The current Union leadership is defeated by the NFL almost all the time. No reason to think that will change now.

    The NFL can say with a straight face that the matter was investigated and properly adjudicated. They can claim to be nice guys because they already listened to an appeal and took a 2nd look at the evidence.

    Since the Union is bringing this legal action the burden of proof is on them. Plus they have to overcome a judge’s bias against the guilty that destroy evidence. The penalties imposed against the Union and its member have consider frivolous waste of the court’s time.
    ———-
    Very astute, and wrong. The NFL brought the case to court, not the Union. A basic grasp of the fact would give you more credibility.

  161. A few key points concerning this crap storm brought on by the Ginger Hammer and his minions.

    1. They were ignorant of the ideal gas law. Thinking if balls started at 12.5 they would maintain it no matter the conditions.

    2. It’s obvious by now this was a setup. They had prior warning and did nothing to stop it before game started.

    3. There is no real concrete evidence of deflation in the afc championship game. No someone going to the bathroom is not proof.

    4. They have no real proof that the ref checked balls correctly as he did not record anything.

    5. They have no REAL proof that Brady was involved in anything as they admitted to the judge.

  162. realitycheckbaby says:
    Aug 16, 2015 9:56 PM
    ztigr says:
    Aug 16, 2015 9:41 PM

    -Better teams fumble less?
    ~ so the Pats cut THEIR OWN FUMBLE rate by 50% because during their first Superbowls, when the Pats were using illegal Spying to win, they weren’t very good? OK


    IN 2014 Minnesota cut their fumble total by >50% vs 2013. Did they deflate balls? Check the stats league wide to see how little this stat means to this issue.

    The Jets fumbles were the polar opposite, increasing in 2014 vs 2015. By the logic of the commenter it would seem logical to assume the Jets have stopped deflating their balls

    Do people ever research anymore or do they just throw junk data out there to make a weak point?

  163. realitycheckbaby says:
    Aug 16, 2015 7:48 PM

    holeinone09 says:
    Aug 16, 2015 7:32 PM

    Facts? Here are the facts that no Patsy fan will address:

    1. The stooge calls himself you Deflator. Why?

    2. The Deflator takes the approved balls from the officials room, against rules. Why?

    3. The Deflator goes into a room at the end of the hallway with the balls, caught on video. Why?

    4. The Deflator tells Jastremski he wants signed merch, kicks. Then Brady presents him with the exact things he asked for. Why?

    5. The Pats organization say he called himself the Deflator because he wanted to lose weight. Why, based on what?

    GO ahead, let the Pats fans finally and reasonably explain these facts. It has never happened, and probably never will. That is why non-native fans think Brady is a cheater and knew what was going on. You all must think everyone is stupid.

    ===========

    I would add…

    Once the rule changed, the Pats cut their own long term fumble rate by 50%. How?

    Cheers
    —————————————–

    How and why should anyone outside of the Patriots or the NFL answer these questions?

    These are questions the NFL should have asked during the Wells investigation. Since they didn’t, the answers don’t matter at this point.

    If they did ask these questions, it’s obvious that the answers didn’t fit the narrative of the witch-hunt, and they still don’t matter.

    Cheers
    Best Regards

  164. Team Brady already had a 10-8 round v the NFL and this Wednesday, Brady’s (NFLPA’s) attorney Kessler will begin tearing apart the Mark Furmanesque manipulation of both the media and evidence to ensure Brady would be suspended. What Goodell, Vincent, Pash and Wells have done, far outweighs whatever role Brady may have had in deflating balls. Even that has not been proven or convincing.

  165. How is it possible that McNally had to worry about not getting yabout not getting signed gifts from brady?
    =========

    Huh?

    You never answered, if deflator wasn’t doing anything wrong, why was he demanding, and Brady providing, signed shoes, etc for doing it?

    Crooks never think they’ll be caught.

    Crickets

    Cheers

  166. The most damning thing to me was Brady’s lawyer coming it and saying “we bought to would only get a fine for destroying his phone”.
    If he was not hiding anything, then why take a fine at all? Why not just turn over the phone? There was obviously something on there that he didn’t want the NFL to see. Turning over his phone could have cleared his name, but he chooses not to do it. Why?

  167. A Ted Wells told him not to worry that we would not be suspended for hot turning over his phone

    B Yes TB had somethings to hide his disdain for violation of his personal space

    C The NFL lied they’d already gotten the info. They just wanted to put it to TB

  168. cantescapekarma says:
    Aug 17, 2015 10:06 AM

    The most damning thing to me was Brady’s lawyer coming it and saying “we bought to would only get a fine for destroying his phone”.
    If he was not hiding anything, then why take a fine at all? Why not just turn over the phone? There was obviously something on there that he didn’t want the NFL to see. Turning over his phone could have cleared his name, but he chooses not to do it. Why?

    ——————

    If you were accused of breaking a work policy (nothing criminal) and they asked for your personal cell phone to review all your texts to see if you broke the policy, would you give it to them?

    If it had data (pictures, texts, emails) on it you didn’t want to get into the wrong hands, would you keep it pristine incase you needed to hand it over to them on a later date, even though they had no right to it in the first place?

    I don’t know if everyone would be so eager to have all their personal comms looked through by their employer.

  169. If you were accused of breaking a work policy (nothing criminal) and they asked for your personal cell phone to review all your texts to see if you broke the policy, would you give it to them?

    If it had data (pictures, texts, emails) on it you didn’t want to get into the wrong hands, would you keep it pristine incase you needed to hand it over to them on a later date, even though they had no right to it in the first place?

    I don’t know if everyone would be so eager to have all their personal comms looked through by their employer
    ———————————-
    This is a very interesting but a false comparison since the NFL asked Tommy and his lawyer to look over the phone and provide a list of pertinent texts, not just hand over his phone.

    Nice try though.

    Best Regards

  170. Brady was promised that they would only look at key information. Not the entirety of phone. I am sure that if requested, the phone could have been gone through with his whole team of agents and lawyers.

    Folks, the NFL has employee – employer rights. They have the right to conduct an investigation. Even with a search warrant, a court can order the contents of personal data.

    It’s crystal clear to everyone west of Boston, that he was trying to hide information. Just because Brady has money to hire lawyers, does not mean that he did not order the code red on the footballs. Would love to see TB spend all of his money on lawyers, with his wife leaving him, he will eventually run out of cash. Then who would have the last laugh.

  171. What about the fact that per reports Wells told TB he would not be suspended for obstruction than he is? So what Goodell is ignoring the Wells report or he cherry picks it? He hired Wells he should be standing by him.

  172. While it may look suspicious TB was under zero legal obligation to hand over his phone. The NFL could only ask not compel like a warrant could. You want my phone come at me with a warrant. Also Ted Wells by all accounts told TB he would NOT be suspended for not handing over his phone. So Goodell ignored that

  173. freerayray52 says:
    Aug 17, 2015 5:47 AM

    Evidence proves Brady is guilty. Case closed. He is suspended 4 games, not being put to death.
    —————————–

    What evidence? Even the NFL was forced to admit that they have no evidence against Tom Brady.

    The demise of his old phone is not evidence.

  174. “Evidence proves Brady is guilty. Case closed”

    Which evidence is that? Would that be the evidence that was so impressive it inspired Judge Berman to ask the NFL attorneys….”is that all you got”?

  175. “Man are the Pats gonna suck once Brady retires”

    Let me file that one away with all the other brilliant predictions by Patriots haters.

    I’ll put it right along side the oft repeated “Brady will never win another Super Bowl” prediction we were hearing for several years…right up until this past February 1st.

  176. Did you see what Judge Berman has been saying. He has been using a bic lighter to roast Goodell’s nuts. Judge Bermans and the 2nd circuit will expose ALL of the NFL’s inconsistencies in this matter.

  177. I’ll put it right along side the oft repeated “Brady will never win another Super Bowl” prediction we were hearing for several years…right up until this past February 1st.
    ————–
    In our defense, we thought the Pats cheating stopped at spygate. Had we known cheating was their culture…

  178. So a girlfriend goes to her boyfriend. Are you cheating? answer- I don’t know. Then girlfriend says let me see your phone. Boyfriend says I destroyed it. What do you think?

  179. “So a girlfriend goes to her boyfriend. Are you cheating? answer- I don’t know. Then girlfriend says let me see your phone. Boyfriend says I destroyed it. What do you think?”

    I think it’s time to find a new girlfriend.

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