Some owners want #DeflateGate to end, others want to push for a win

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As #DeflateGate lingers for what eventually will be the human gestation period and beyond, folks are getting sick of it. Some of the folks getting sick of it own NFL teams.

Per a league source, a sense has emerged among some owners that it’s time to put the football-inflation imbroglio in the rear-view mirror. It already has marred a Super Bowl and hovered over an entire offseason; it now threatens to be one of the major story lines throughout the 2015 season.

The best way to keep that from happening (for an explanation on how it could continue to be a story line throughout the 2015 season, stay tuned) is to settle the Tom Brady case and end all litigation.

The problem continues to be that the NFL and NFL Players Association can’t agree on an acceptable resolution, with Brady resisting even a one-game suspension and the NFL insisting that Brady accept the findings of the Ted Wells report — and for the NFLPA to agree that the NFL has broad power to suspend players for conduct detrimental to the integrity of the game and for obstructing NFL investigations.

Fueling the league’s position is a group of hard-core, old-school owners who strongly desire to retain full power over the workforce. The 2011 lockout was about money. The current fight is about control, and the owners who are pushing the league office to hold firm want a victory not because it hurts Brady and the Patriots specifically but because it generally keeps the players from chipping away at management’s authority over the sport.

Ultimately, that’s why the NFL insisted on keeping final say over matters like this one. The NFL wants to run its business the way the NFL see fit, with no third parties having the ability to dictate to folks who are accustomed, based on their extreme wealth and influence, to doing the dictating. With that final say gradually eroding in areas like the substance-abuse and PED policies, game-integrity issues and the Personal Conduct Policies are the last significant areas in which the NFL tells the players how it’s going to be.

183 responses to “Some owners want #DeflateGate to end, others want to push for a win

  1. Not sure why Patriot fans are mad at Goodell. The Patriots are the ones who cheated once again. The Patriots are the team that has been caught cheating multiple times. The Patriots could of avoided this by getting rid of Belichick the first time caught cheating and creating a cheating organization. So Patriot fans you have no one to blame except your team.

  2. It would be nice if the owners on each side of the fence were identified.

    Just sayin.
    I guess we don’t want to risk the wrath of our meal ticket????

  3. I’d be willing to bet there’s an owner or two who want the league to stick to its guns because it hurts T-T-T-Tommy and the Pats. But yeah, those folks pouring money into campaign coffers and getting mountains of public money in return, do tend to love a good fight with a union.

  4. The problem is that there were no “findings” in the Ted Wells report… Only conjecture. No one (including the NFL) actually accepts the Ted Wells report… But the NFL paid a lot of money for it, and they cannot admit that they made a mistake in doing so without foregoing some amount of power moving forward. This whole thing is a hot mess! It’s not even about Brady or deflated footballs at this point. Honestly, the only way I see this going is the dismissal of Goodell for creating the situation… Well intentioned (in the eyes of the owners, clearly not in the eyes of the fans) or not!

  5. Every day I read Patriot articles comment sections, and every day it makes me feel even better than the day before that so many fans are sour apples over this teams amazing and unprecedented stay on top of the nfl for almost 2 decades. Keep spewing the hate, it makes this all the better.

    And by the way, I’m the type of person who welcomes cheating if it gets you ahead. So keep saying we cheated. It makes our championships feel even better!

    Thumbs down if you’re a hater who has never had a girlfriend and hates the pats!

  6. I’m guessing all of you calling Tom and Pats cheaters don’t actually know how to read. If you did, the hundreds of documents that have come out would have told you all you need to know, instead of media looking to blow up a story and an NFL that is power hungry and lies.

  7. Obviously, Jchipwood hasn’t been paying attention to the facts. Low information people like him just love the thought of the Patriots and Brady getting “theirs” that the facts don’t matter to them. Zero evidence of any type of “cheating” and dubious if any evidence that there was even an equipment violation.

    The judge is obviously smarter than the average NFL fan outside New England, and he’s from New York.

  8. There’s a solution to everything but the control issue. Tom agrees to admit he destroyed evidence on his phone. The NFL fines him 4 game checks, but no suspension. The NFL gets its punishment, Brady gets to play.

  9. Yes keep parroting the word cheat, but t shows only that you never got past the initial blatant lies of the league much less the ongoing ones. It also shows zero comprehension of the actual facts.

  10. It is not simply about one incident. This is going to set a major precedent for the future. It is indeed a power struggle between good and evil. That may be a stretch but in truth its no different to the bigger world we live in, its about power and those that use and in many cases abuse power.

    I have to admit I am somewhat miffed at how many people take this issue so seriously when at the end of the day its a sport, an entertainment. If we all really cared that much how about we apply these standards to important areas of life, you know like the people who makes decisions on a daily basis about our future and how we live and what rules we live under.

    We want to micro examine and ridicule an entertainer and yet not exercise any will on those that really matter!

  11. Ruh Roh, Rog, the mistakes are compounding and the Board is getting antsy if they’re leaking to the public.

  12. regardless of what happens, brady’s legacy is destroyed, nobody outside of brainwashed massachusetts will give a rip about his accomplishments.

    if he took his medicine no one would care but now he’s reached roger clemens/lance armstrong territory.

    good job

  13. After he retired in 1995 Jeff Blake who played for 7 nfl teams admitted he had the ball attendants deflate the balls before every game of his career.

    That ironically included 10 games he started for the RavensThe league never investigated any of those teams. Tgey never fined or took draft picks from any of those 7 teams. They never questioned any personnel of any of the 7 teams.

    Now the league lies and fabricates this bs and acts like it is some huge scandal

    Goodell must go

  14. jchipwood says:
    Aug 16, 2015 12:29 PM
    Not sure why Patriot fans are mad at Goodell. The Patriots are the ones who cheated once again. The Patriots are the team that has been caught cheating multiple times. The Patriots could of avoided this by getting rid of Belichick the first time caught cheating and creating a cheating organization. So Patriot fans you have no one to blame except your team.

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    You people are so jealous and petty it really is pathetic.

    You are like the last kid to the swings at kindergarten.
    WE don’t NEED to blame anyone.

    WE have 4 rings , the greatest coach of all time,and the greatest QB of all time.

    All you have in your sad life is these forums to cry to each other on.

    Have a nice life…….or what passes for one .

  15. Wouldn’t the best way to ensure that they able to run their business in the way that they see fit is to run it with fair processes that aren’t riven with summary judgments and kangaroo courts? Shouldn’t evidence of a transgression have to be found to exist, even on the most basic level? Shouldn’t the League Office fairly characterize said evidence, even if transcripts are sealed?

    Maybe the League Office needs to be stripped of powers that they are routinely abusing. Or get rid of the persons abusing them.

  16. We’ll find out if the CBA is strong enough to survive this, in the opinion of Judge Berman.
    If the NFL wins, it essentially means that the NFL does not need evidence to convict, in fact it can even manufacture evidence.
    The CBA already allows the NFL to use it’s own nonindependent investigator and then have Goodell stand as the arbitrator in any appeal of his own decision.
    But an NFL win would also mean that league employees can lie about material facts with impunity.
    An NFL win would mean that no notice is needed for punishment of the employees, in essence the CBA allows Goodell to make up punishment regardless of the CBA language therein.
    Also, what was written in the CBA as a team punishment is now expanded to individuals, if Goodell sees fit.
    Additionally, the owners can choose to “gang up” on anybody they wish, as we have already seen, but there will be no recourse for a fair hearing.

  17. After Brady prevails and the NFL considers filing an appeal, ALL owners will tell Goodell “That’s enough, grab your lunch box and go home.”

  18. People live in cardboard boxes, while millionaire employees and billionaire employers waste hundreds of millions of dollars battling over what amounts to nonsense. And at what cost to the taxpayers? Federal courts don’t operate for free.

  19. It’s too late. Pushing for a win might not work now. Brady doesn’t have much to lose, as probably 4 games is his worse case scenario. The NFL needs to stop being so sure of themselves and realize that they might lose. Based on how things have gone so far with the judge, it’s no slam dunk they will win.

    Settling now becomes a way of making the Patriots penalty stick, still having the public see the Patriots as guilty and only Brady will be off the hook. Going to the end and chancing a loss could end in a disaster for the NFL.

  20. It’s not going to end unless one side or the other stops fighting … or until someone with authority over the NFL and its players declares a winner. Pass the popcorn …

  21. This isn’t about the guilt or innocence of the Brady or the Pats.

    It’s about Goodell’s total misuse of the conduct detrimental clause in the CBA and the sham investigations and wording the NFL uses to gain fan support.

    It happened to the Saints….It’s happening to the Patriots. Your team could be next.

  22. Patriot hate I get but, UR team could be next!
    Goodell has a bad hand so he’s bluffing. Players
    Should be behind Brady and 80% are.
    The Commish wants to win, facts be damned.
    He keeps changing the charges, like he’s
    Daring Berman to vacate the decision. Federal
    Trumps State and Union law!

  23. I told who ever would listen this isn’t about Roger Goodell. He only does what the majority of the owners want. Yet you idiots all want to shoot the messenger. All you had to do was look past the end of your nose to see that.

  24. jchipwood says:
    Aug 16, 2015 12:29 PM

    Not sure why Patriot fans are mad at Goodell. The Patriots are the ones who cheated once again. The Patriots are the team that has been caught cheating multiple times. The Patriots could of avoided this by getting rid of Belichick the first time caught cheating and creating a cheating organization. So Patriot fans you have no one to blame except your team.
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    After 9 months of lies and other BS by the NFL, directed at the Patriots, you aren’t sure why the Patriots are mad at Goodell?

    One thing is for sure. If you provide a forum for the Hater Faithful to show how dumb they are, and they will show it time and time again.

    The Patriots haven’t even been caught cheating once, but it is always a culture of cheating with those Hater Faithful bozos.

  25. If you can’t beat them call them “cheaters” or change the rules.
    -Former Rams, Steelers, Colts, Panthers, Jets and Ravens Players/GM’s

  26. To some of you “brainwashed” = pays attention to the actual details and facts, rather than jump on a bandwagon fueled by leaks, false/biased media reporting, supposition, and innuendo.

    Strange how when a judge read the actual transcripts of the appeal and the Wells report, he asked the same questions as all of the “brainwashed” fans in New England..where is any evidence?

  27. It is time to stop a harm that should have never occurred. If the NFL
    office had complaints before the championship game they should have put the Pats on notice. I’m sure there have been many issues worked out by the Commisoners office before. Instead the new way seems to be confrontation with it’s our way or else.
    Roger Goodell has accomplished many positive things for the good of the league. However in other areas he has hurt the NFL which in turn
    has caused the players to dislike and distrust him. Many fans also do not care for him.The commissioner’ office is not like a Senator
    or a congressman’s job.
    Give up some of your power that derived from unequal bargaining
    power. Appoint retired Federal Judges to handle the hearings. That way if you occasionally get the bad result ( like Ray Rice decision )
    you can criticize all you want.

  28. jackofnotrades says:
    Aug 16, 2015 12:42 PM
    regardless of what happens, brady’s legacy is destroyed, nobody outside of brainwashed massachusetts will give a rip about his accomplishments.

    if he took his medicine no one would care but now he’s reached roger clemens/lance armstrong territory.

    good job

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    That is so wrong. Look at the player survey. That’s not what most people think even now, in the middle of the mess. Regardless of the outcome, Brady’s accomplishments will be well remembered and he will go down as the best QB that ever lived or at least in the argument with Montana.

    Please don’t keep trying to distort the entire situation by comparing general knowledge of ball deflation, something that can’t even be proven to help anyone, with systematic PED use. There is no comparison. PEDs can make someone barely above average become competitive or better at the pro level. They are an insane advantage and they are illegal.

  29. The old school lawyers with their antebellum plantation mentality need to understand how good they’ve got it. At least 70% of ALL dollars earned should be going to player expense based on other entertainment industry margins. The NFL is an entertainment business with minimal capital investment which can’t be recouped through other avenues. The players are the business.

  30. If all the things that make Brady look obviously guilty were just a bad coincidence, then he is the unluckiest person in the world. And why would the NFL try to ruin the image of their golden boy.

    Suck it up, you arrogant cheat. We don’t care if technicalities can get you out of a suspension. We know you did it.

    Make this go away for everyone.

  31. bigdaddyrockytop says:
    Aug 16, 2015 12:50 PM
    I told who ever would listen this isn’t about Roger Goodell. He only does what the majority of the owners want. Yet you idiots all want to shoot the messenger. All you had to do was look past the end of your nose to see that.

    ———

    The NFL can find someone who can make them just as much money without being so litigious and dragging every mess into the public. Some of the owners are surely becoming embarrassed by him. That’s just logical.

    You might want to make some points between your insults.

  32. Iknowitall says:
    Aug 16, 2015 12:37 PM
    Why not identify which owners want an end, and those who want a win?
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    I think it’s an excellent suggestion. Goodell has been discredited in many ways ie the abundement mistakes he has made, has no legal experience, PR skills can be replaced in 30 seconds, is hated by many fans (paying customers), brings embarrassment to the league, has no integrity. His only benefit so far has been his willingness to absorb the wrath of the fans. If the owners were identified and their email accounts flooded with angry messages, the owners would mo longer have any use for him. They could then clean house and get the right people put in place.

  33. What’s interesting is that the Wells report proved either the Colts cheated or the balls deflated naturally. So by accepting the results, the Pats would basically be agreeing that nothing happened.

  34. Usually, when a union doesn’t agree with management they go on strike.

    Too bad it’ll never get that far. But nevertheless one can imagine how much fun it would be.

  35. As we all know this is all about Belichick and him leaving the Jets in 1999. The Pathetic NFL front office loaded with ex Jet and whining ex eagles(Hey Troy Vincent your quarterback was puking on himself-literally, in the last two minutes of the 2004 Super bowl, that is why you lost! moron) can’t let it go -15 years and counting.The mouth piece of the whiners- ESPN and the New York media buy into this whole “it should have been us” mentality….Sorry the Pats win so much..Sorry they have the greatest QB and coach in history..Can’t beat them on the field so make up conspiracy theories..steal draft picks and besmirch the best player in the league all because you are PATHETIC LOSERS

  36. Deflategate has been a debacle for the owners and the league offfice. Before the AFC championship game there were suspicions by teams that the Pats were doing something with game balls and these suspicions were voiced to the league office. Instead of issuing a warning to the Patriots as happens in many other cases the league chose to try to catch the Pats in the act. After an investigation that has shown the league and the owners to lack integrity and honesty, they now risk a challenge to their powers. More importantly they will most certainly have to make many more concessions when a new CBA is negotiated likely resulting in loss of power and money. The players will be motivated to look at the deals that their baseball and basketball brethren have and fight hard to improve the CBA. This debacle on top of the way the league handled bountygate and the Dolphins bullying situation leaves the players with a great deal of mistrust. This will come back to bite the league.

  37. jchipwood says:
    Aug 16, 2015 12:29 PM
    Not sure why Patriot fans are mad at Goodell. The Patriots are the ones who cheated once again. The Patriots are the team that has been caught cheating multiple times. The Patriots could of avoided this by getting rid of Belichick the first time caught cheating and creating a cheating organization. So Patriot fans you have no one to blame except your team.

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    I justify all the words I have written in this site because I actually cheer for the Patriots, who are coming off an amazing Super Bowl winning season and I am pumped for the new season and want Brady to play.

    How can you justify your complete waste of time. Go do something with your life that matters to you instead of hating on someone else.

  38. If Brady didn’t do anything he must not settle. There is no way that the Kraft family or Brady will have any reason to trust the NFL. They both have ample resources to fight back and in my opinion the truth on their side.

    Put the dispute in the hands of a neutral/Independent party and maybe what did or did not happen will finally be known and also why the NFL has gone down this road when the question of tampering cannot pass some simple tests – can anyone on the face of the earth tell the difference in the footballs – NO. Why couldn’t they get a confession from someone if something happened/why no leaks from friends, family or co-workers.

    Who cares what the other owners want, it is not about them.

  39. I think the haters are adorable they are cute little mental pygmys. I have to see one espouse their hate then stand for their convictions when they are confronted with facts. One fact being the inconsistency of the NFL’s policies in rules enforcing and punishing. Said haters when challenged either are dumbfounded or run away scared.

  40. mattwalshvideo says:
    Aug 16, 2015 12:27 PM

    Too bad, Tom Shady and the deflatriots are serial cheaters, take your 4 games and like it.
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    Says the guy who’s forum handle is about a non existent video that the Boston Herald had to publicly apologize for. Way to go there swifty.

  41. I am so sick of hearing “destroyed evidence.” The phone is not ‘evidence’ as any texts and voicemails were probably long ago deleted in the course of normal, human behavior. Brady offered the actual call and text logs – this is the actual evidence. The NFL would not accept that as it does not help their smear campaing.

    The NFL has no right to review private phones as it is not in the CBA.

    Instead, the NFL uses the “integrity of the game” excuse to demand anything desired even if it is completely unreasonable. There are limits to what they can demand.

  42. livenbreathefootball says:
    Aug 16, 2015 12:38 PM
    There’s a solution to everything but the control issue. Tom agrees to admit he destroyed evidence on his phone. The NFL fines him 4 game checks, but no suspension. The NFL gets its punishment, Brady gets to play.
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    Not going to happen. Brady is not going to agree to anything he didn’t do. The league will be lucky if he even accepts a fine for not fully cooperating as nobody should be forced to cooperate with something that has been as falsely fabricated as this fiasco has been.
    The only punishment that needs to be delivered and adhered to is Goodell and many of his minions being fired.

  43. wte1 says:
    Aug 16, 2015 12:47 PM
    After Brady prevails and the NFL considers filing an appeal, ALL owners will tell Goodell “That’s enough, grab your lunch box and go home.”

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    If Brady wins and the NFL files an appeal then everyone would hate them. I agree, I don’t think that could happen.

  44. In my opinion and not a Brady hater. The Federal judge is basically not going to change a thing. It’s written in the CBA that Goodell has final say on any judgement. The suspension will stand and whatever Brady’s team decides to do after that is up to them

    I do not think Brady’s legacy is tainted one bit because of this mess.
    He most certainly one of the best QBs that ever played the game.

    Smith, the head of the NFLPA is completely responsible for allowing this measure to pass in the first place. No player wanted to lose any pay checks so it was an easy sell for Smith. The one that should be removed here is Smith

  45. Florio, it has taken a long time for even you to openly discuss the real reasons Goodell and his minions have been allowed to pursue this nonsense.

    You can’t discuss this topic without a reminder that it was the Patriots, with Brady’s name on the 2011 union desertification lawsuit and Kraft as the key principal that ended the owners’ lockout of the players, and that some of those hard core owners and executives (e.g., Pash) in the NFL office that pushed the lockout and still hold a grudge are the driving force behind deflategate. Brady is their sacrificial lamb. It kills these fools that the Patriots not only ended the lockout, they dominate the NFL on and off the field.

  46. 3menandablog says:
    Aug 16, 2015 12:58 PM

    If all the things that make Brady look obviously guilty were just a bad coincidence, then he is the unluckiest person in the world. And why would the NFL try to ruin the image of their golden boy.
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    What are those “things”? Since the NFL has stated that there is no evidence that Tom Brady did anything, they might be interested in what you know.

    Can you be in New York on Wednesday?

  47. jchipwood says:
    Aug 16, 2015 12:29 PM
    Not sure why Patriot fans are mad at Goodell. The Patriots are the ones who cheated once again. The Patriots are the team that has been caught cheating multiple times. The Patriots could of avoided this by getting rid of Belichick the first time caught cheating and creating a cheating organization. So Patriot fans you have no one to blame except your team.

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    Yes, Chippy, I’m sure that you would stop routing for your pathetic franchise if Belichick was fired by the Pats and picked up by your team. Stop being a whiner.. If you can’t control yourself at least have something interesting to say.

  48. jchipwood says:
    Aug 16, 2015 12:29 PM

    Not sure why Patriot fans are mad at Goodell. The Patriots are the ones who cheated once again. The Patriots are the team that has been caught cheating multiple times. The Patriots could of avoided this by getting rid of Belichick the first time caught cheating and creating a cheating organization. So Patriot fans you have no one to blame except your team.
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    Sorry, they were fined for spygate, which was a farce in itself according to several NFL head coaches.
    Other than that there hasn’t been one legitimate accusation against the Patriots for any kind of cheating…not one. Deflategate is based on ZERO provable evidence and will be vacated.
    Patriots fans have plenty to blame..starting with Goodell and Mangini and continuing with Kensil, Pash, Grigson and Mortensen.

  49. I am betting the one’s that want to continue te fight are the Jets Ravens and Colts(they also had balls under inflated why weren’t they dealt with? Care to explain that Roger the truth dodger? )

  50. You’re hitting the nail on the proverbial head here.

    Power mongering billionaires don’t care about 5 mil dropped on a fool’s errand “investigation”. They care about winning at any cost.

    Sure, I imagine that in retrospect the majority of owners would prefer that the league office was less zealous in its initial behavior ie: Don’t let the personal feelings of ex-Jet employees create a side-show by trying to find a crime to fit the belief, but at this stage it’s too late to put the toothpaste back in the tube so now its win at any cost.

    While Goodell probably won’t lose his job over this, you can rest assured that the likes of Kensil and Vincent are probably sweating bullets as this gets uglier. Grigson better hope the Colts win a Superbowl this year……

    Most interesting in all of this is the evidence that most football fans are lazy sheeple – part of the growing TMZ type culture I guess. Headlines seem to dictate what people believe versus objective thought process based on research. It’s blatantly obvious that a large portion of commenters here are under the age of 25 and don’t REALLY know the sport of football well.

    At the end of the day, Berman is going to rule that Goodell was not impartial enough (he isn’t) to rule on the merits of the appeal, and/or that the appeal hearing lacked fairness (it did) in not allowing the Brady team to question certain participants completely. He will either overturn the ruling and it will get appealed to a higher court by the NFL, or he will send it back for another appeal hearing with instructions on how the hearing will take place, and by whom.

    Kinda funny in a way. For years fans have hated Goodell, accused him of being a Patriots puppet, and basically have always seen him for the buffoon he is – yet somehow now, in his most egregious act to date, he is regarded with esteem and some sort of hero. Fools.

  51. It will be Goodell’s fault as he has overstepped in many ways. One of which is the league set the precedent for punishing for ball tampering and being uncooperative in 2012. The Chargers were fined 20K no investigation no asking Rivers for his phone. The CBA does give Goodell the rights he states but that is within reason. Goodell has gone well above and beyond that

  52. jackofnotrades says:
    Aug 16, 2015 12:42 PM

    regardless of what happens, brady’s legacy is destroyed, nobody outside of brainwashed massachusetts will give a rip about his accomplishments.

    if he took his medicine no one would care but now he’s reached roger clemens/lance armstrong territory.

    good job

    =====

    Exactly.

    Pats fans can’t understand why anyone should care of their history of cheating recidivism.

    It seems most don’t have any sense of pride or honor or doing the right thing.

    It’s sad that most are so wrapped up in their purported success, they don’t care if it was hard earned or simply the result of cheating.

    But the rest of the world knows the truth.

  53. If the owners want to retain final say then they have really blown it. Goodell has already lost arbitration power in Missouri and is about to lose it league wide because of the manner in which he has conducted himself. It is indisputable that he misrepresented Brady’s comments in his appeal hearing. It is indisputable that Brady was held responsible for a rule that the players don’t receive notice of. It is indisputable that the penalty for equipment violations is spelled out in the CBA, the same CBA they claim gives them the power to give him 4 games. Even if Brady had done anything, the actions of the commish alone would bring the confirmation of the finding in doubt. At this point they’re playing Russian roulette with a loaded gun and some of these old men want to double down. Now that is arrogance.

  54. Finally I think we arrived at what this is truly about. Goodell has been fuming at his punishments being overturned time and time again. His legal team has been chomping at the bit for a case to flex “article 46”.

    This means goodell and punish and (if you believe their argument) do not even need to get the facts correct. Anyone out their that believes this has anything to do with footballs and their psi is missing the point (which is exactly why the NFL needed a high profile case like the patriots).

    Wake up people.

  55. When Berman finds for Brady, I am going to love telling the haters to “accept it and move on”, after all that’s their only real argument on a daily basis.

  56. OK here is the truth since it seems so evasive for you two. The Pats have been caught cheating ONCE in 07. ALL teams have cheated except the Rams. You see before I speak I research so I don’t appear ignorant. But since you are typical haters I state facts so either you change the subject and ignore what was said or you run.

  57. robbieboston says:
    Aug 16, 2015 12:37 PM

    And by the way, I’m the type of person who welcomes cheating

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    Why are we not surprised.

  58. mongo3401 says:
    Aug 16, 2015 1:16 PM

    In my opinion and not a Brady hater. The Federal judge is basically not going to change a thing. It’s written in the CBA that Goodell has final say on any judgement. The suspension will stand and whatever Brady’s team decides to do after that is up to them
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    Emperor Goodell is 0fer in Federal court. Why would this time be any different? Just because he tells judges to “respect his authoritah”, doesn’t mean they have to.

    It’s obvious that he has a fundamental misunderstanding of how he can discipline players.

  59. bigdaddyrockytop says:
    Aug 16, 2015 12:50 PM
    I told who ever would listen this isn’t about Roger Goodell. He only does what the majority of the owners want. Yet you idiots all want to shoot the messenger. All you had to do was look past the end of your nose to see that.
    ________________________________
    Don’t worry, bigdaddy. It’s OK for you to be wrong. The owners were sold a story by Goodell that supported their frustration with continued Patriot dominance. And just as no one in the NFL had any knowledge of the Ideal Gas Laws, neither did any of the owners. So they bought the story hook, line and sinker. And Goodell continues to feed them what they want to hear.
    Goodell doesn’t see himself as the messenger. He is a narcissist. His only self image is that of a puppeteer. But he just fails to accept that Brady is not a puppet under his control and no amount of string manipulation will change Brady’s movement. He didn’t do anything so there is nothing to admit guilt about. The game is over for Goodell. He just hasn’t accepted that fact yet.

  60. realitycheckbaby says:
    Aug 16, 2015 1:24 PM

    jackofnotrades says:
    Aug 16, 2015 12:42 PM

    regardless of what happens, brady’s legacy is destroyed, nobody outside of brainwashed massachusetts will give a rip about his accomplishments.

    if he took his medicine no one would care but now he’s reached roger clemens/lance armstrong territory.

    good job

    =====

    Exactly.

    Pats fans can’t understand why anyone should care of their history of cheating recidivism.
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    They can’t understand it because it only exists in the delusional minds of the Hater Faithful.

    That, and there is no history of cheating.

  61. This is just so stupid. Brady did nothing and the NFL lied, fabricated, and yes, the NFL cheated to swing public opinion their way. Show me any proof that this is not so. ANY PROOF. No guessing, no conjecture, no fabrication.

    The Patriots win because they’re good and they represent what fair play and what a team effort means. BB did this with just two players from the original SB team, just two. The accomplishments are to be congratulated, and the NFL should be ashamed.

  62. They NEED a win. This has been screwed up so badly from the getgo, coming away with anything but a win would further damage the “shield” and strengthen the NFLPA.

  63. If the NFL & Brady can’t come to some sort of settlement, then just have the judge make a decision and all parties just have to deal with it. I”m tired of listening to all the “Free Brady” comments and “There is no evidence, because Brady refused to cooperate and destroyed his cell phone-speak.” Which by the way if he “had” produced it and nothing was found then this whole thing would be over with??!!” If there is a precedent being created here, it’s that NFL players need to destroy any incriminating evidence that could get them fined/suspended , etc. Therefore, regardless how probable a set of circumstances reflect on a player in the future,the NFL will know that’s it’s pointless to determine that a ballplayer has done something that tarnishes the Shield without producing the “Smoking gun.” I don’t believe that this is the correct approach to running ANY organization, especially when you’re a successful Billionaire and expected to pay out millions of dollars to own a team and it’s only logical that they want to have some form of control but “if the glove doesn’t fit then you must acquit!” Let’s just start there and see where the rabbit hole takes us. Will it evolve in a positive or negative progression? Who knows and it will be a starting point at the next CBA. Free Brady, chalk it up to a lack of specifics in the “conduct detrimental to the league”, refine the language with a plethora of attorney’s to make the regulation stronger, chalk it up to experience and lesson learned for the future. Over & Done !!

  64. It makes sense that the owners want to win and care only about that.

    What I can’t understand is their failure to understand how weak their case is. They can find another battle where their starting position is stronger, and settle this case. Why bet all the marbles on this one, where the judge is sending them warning signals?

  65. I spent some time going over some of the undisputed facts in this case and they are beyond the pale. I thought early on that this could have been incompetence, covered up by career protection, and then a pr campaign. Alas, the evidence is staggering that Brady was framed and that the NFL executives and lawyers were in on it at the start.

    Go back and read Kelly Naqi’s report and you will see that she states that she confirmed her story with four people with the NFL that were not Kensil. That’s incredible. One month after the AFCCG there was an all-out coordinated campaign of lies that were fed to Mortensen, Jay Glazer, Naqi and others.

    I abhor litigation. However, it is warranted in this situation. Brady shouldn’t settle. He should file the defamation suit and expose the conspiracy of liars.

    It wasn’t just the exaggeration of the deflation in 11 of 12 balls. It was the initial cover-up of the NFL employee who was stealing game balls in the AFCCG (and likely the Ravens game) and blaming it on the Patriots equipment guy. That was used to make a 90 second trio to the bathroom look sinister.

    Mike, do you really think Grigson’s email about deflated balls to the NFL didn’t get circulated with Vincent being copied? These are institutional guys. The first thing they do is cya by email. Vincent, advised by Jimmy Raye II, says he knew nothing about deflated balls until Grigson approached him before halftime with evidence of a “small ball” being used by the Patriots.

    Does anyone believe that storyline?

  66. The pathetic NFL headquarters (the NY Jets retirement home), whining fans of all the teams that didn’t win, and the mindless denial of acceptance of the scientific facts which show the PSI of footballs was correct for balls which began at 12.5 PSI but were subject to weather has made being Superbowl Champions even sweeter.

    So a guy deflated 11 footballs in 90 seconds but officials only tested 4 Colts balls at halftime (3 were under 12.5 PSI) because “We ran out of time”?????
    You can’t make comedy like this up. I hope this carny act never ends. It really has made this so much better.

    Read the Wells report. It makes you realize you could have been a lawyer like Wells in the 3rd grade if all you needed to do was produce a scripted document……for $3 million!!!!

  67. Maybe he NFL should try running it how they see fit without players.
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    No one is forcing current players to play, they can always get a “real job” huh?…..

    I wonder if there are any other athletes that would agree to take their places making millions to play a game….

    Best Regards

  68. Not sure if anyone noticed it, but Judge Berman finally called out the NFL for the bullshiat that has perpetuated this case…

    Berman: “I’m trying to figure out what was the evidence of a scheme or conspiracy during the Jan. 18 game. I’m having trouble with that,”

    Nash did attempt to cite text messages which insinuate balls being doctored by saying, “The texts previous.”

    Berman parried, “This is the only game we’re talking about. This relates to one game.”

    The text messages the Wells Report is using to “convict” Brady of being involved in deflating footballs came after an October game vs. the Jets. In those texts, the two equipment guys state “the refs fkked us” and that the balls were over the legal PSI (as it turns out, they were 16.0 PSI).. the “deflator” took air out TO MAKE THEM LEGAL. Goodell even admitted when he upheld the suspension that Brady asked that the balls in October be lowered to the legal level.

    So how are they able to use “evidence” from October to “convict” Brady for January 18th? Berman called them out on this.

  69. This is a bad group of owners. Most of these kids have led a piviledged life. It’s not really a life at all. They don’t know football from footrests. They are insults to the great men who built the sport … their fathers.

    They were looking to find someone who, among other things, would protect them from local scrutiny. A sociopath. Someone to take the heat.

    Enter Goodell. Nobody has ever existed that could not only face the disdain of a nation, but could sleep while he was responsible for destroying the fabric of that nation’s sports psyche – all while bearing the responsibility for the deaths of some of the game’s greats.

    It was sheer chance that the owners found him. 1 in several billion.

    There’s nothing wrong with the CBA, it’s the people behind it. Does anybody think the game would be in such a sorry state if Tagliabue was still commissioner? If Lamar Hunt and Paul Brown and George Halas and Ford and Mara were around?

  70. surfinbird1 says:
    Aug 16, 2015 1:49 PM

    Maybe he NFL should try running it how they see fit without players.
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    Yeah, remember when all the players were going to boycott in support of the serial cheaters????

    LOL

    Cheers

  71. Pats fans can’t understand why anyone should care of their history of cheating recidivism.

    It seems most don’t have any sense of pride or honor or doing the right thing.

    It’s sad that most are so wrapped up in their purported success, they don’t care if it was hard earned or simply the result of cheating.

    But the rest of the world knows the truth.
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    Exactly

    Best Regards

  72. You pats fans who think you know the facts are 100% wrong, and it’s because most of the facts you get about the science are from journalists (and worse). Complete hack journalists like Sally Jenkins who supported Lance Armstrong and Barry Bonds till the end.

    The facts support the NFL’s case. The science supports the NFL’s case. For all the claims about “junk science”, it wasn’t brought up in the court hearing by the lawyers in any meaningful way, if at all. No show from the AEI guys and minimal reference to that report in bradys appeal hearing. Who did they get for the appeal hearing? A yale ECONOMIST who attacked only the statistical analysis and conclusions and was destroyed by the NFL lawyer.

    MIT, one of the most prestigious technical institutions in the WORLD, is a 40 minute drive from Gillette stadium, so why is there not one official statement of “junk science” from them? Are they haters too? Maybe theyre all JETS fans, LOL!

  73. Trojan – you’re concept is only valid if a private cell phone is actually the “end all be all” truth. Does anyone believe had Tom Brady printed the text messages that his legal team determined to be relevant that his innocence would be considered proven? Of course not. We would hear muttering a of deletion and anonymous phones etc. The phone represents one potential source of evidence.

  74. Absolutely no honor or integrity! The folks would steal from their Mom’s, and then look her in the face, and lie to her.
    If you showed them a video , there would be something wrong with it too. The bele-cheat school of dishonesty and denial, has no boundaries. It’s not the NE Cheaters who have been wronged, but any person who has ever manned -up to making a mistake. But they steadfastly refuse to acknowledge truth in any form or faction. DELUSIONAL!!!!

  75. Time to call Goodell a thief for stealing the Patriots draft picks.
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    Goodell did not “steal” anything. He imposed a punishment that included the forfeiture of draft picks.

    This punishment was accepted by the OWNER….huh…

    Best Regards

  76. profootball13 says:

    No one is forcing current players to play, they can always get a “real job” huh?…..

    I wonder if there are any other athletes that would agree to take their places making millions to play a game….

    ——————————————–

    You are obviously not an athlete. These guys are where they are through hard work. Unlike virtually every other profession, including medicine, it’s a meritocracy. They earn their spot on the roster every day.

    Bitter men see the world as a zero sum game. If a guy like Brady is hurt financially (or otherwise) they win.

    When an owner, or group of owners can take control of the game from the coaches and players all fans lose.

  77. #factsareforeigntoyou
    Before Kraft in 86 the Pats were punished once

    With Kraft they have been punished once 07

    Meanwhile the Jets and Ravens have cheated much more and have been punished only a bit more than the Pats

    Yet again another hate who exclaims his hate based on zero fact and will either ignore what I said and change the subject or run in fear

  78. Further proof Congress and the FBI need to investigate every NFL owner, Goodell, and the NFL’s attorneys and league office employees.

    If there is 1 scumbag owner that wants the NFL to win at all costs, shows and reveals how corrupt they truly are. We all know the FBI raided Jimmy Haslam’s business alrready, but they need to do a circle back around.

    If this is the mindset they have when they have ZERO evidence of wrongdoing, then US LAW should prohibit even 1 cent going to any of these slimeballs. Congress needs to crack down on these criminal owners. Yes framing someone with no evidence is corrupt and criminal. And the fact that these scumbags are fighting their lies in Federal Court shows how morally bankrupt these people are

  79. Look, this is my first post so cut me some slack here. Second, I’ll qualify my comment up-front by saying, “I’ve been a Seahawks fan since ’79. Bias revealed right?

    With regard to the deflated/altered footballs, then the phone fiasco with Tom Brady, I say if there’s smoke, there MIGHT be fire. Let me repeat… MIGHT be fire!

    That said, as a fan of FOOTBALL, not just the Seahawks, I think the way this has been handled has been shameful!

    If there was no basis to Goodell’s (the league’s) claims, Kraft should have never capitulated to them in any way. The league had no right to tarnish the reputation of one of its franchises or any one player!

    This saga has gone on WAY too long with far too many unsubstantiated allegations of so called facts.

    I feel that to some degree, either warranted or not, both sides now have egg on their faces. It’s too bad for the league, the players (specifically Tom Brady), the owners and most importantly, THE FANS!

    You (all parties involved with this fiasco), have dug your respective holes. Now you’ve got to find a way for all to save a little face here. Work it out.

    The league obviously lied at one or more point. Brady’s decision to destroy his phone was not the smartest thing he could’ve done to gain favor in the court of public opinion (or perhaps an actual court, we’ll see). Everyone involved needs to swallow their pride and find a way to resolve this! It’s actually bordering on stupid at this point. Okay, it’s been in stupid territory for a LONG time now.

    Let’s face facts Pat’s haters, they won. There will be no revisionist history. Nobody’s taking rings or SB trophies from the Pats. It’s kills me every time I think of the final offensive play my ‘Hawks had last February but you know, all things considered, time remaining, the time-outs available, maybe it was the right call and that Pat’s db had been given the right coaching & executed perfectly? I can’t change that history either.

    Let’s just get this behind us all, the league, the players, Kraft and most importantly, the fans…

    Go ‘Hawks

  80. surfinbird1 says:
    Aug 16, 2015 1:49 PM

    Maybe he NFL should try running it how they see fit without players.
    =======

    Yeah, remember when all the players were going to boycott in support of the serial cheaters????

    LOL

    Cheers
    —————–
    I think you underestimate the resolve of the players. Remember how well they held out during negotiations for the last CBA?? Oh, never mind….

    Best Regards

  81. The truth? Here is a list of teams and the amount of times they’ve cheated in the Kraft era
    If we use the criteria of more probably than not
    Team Amount of infractions times punished
    Bills 1 1 fined (20K
    Jets 7 3
    Pats 2 2
    Dolphins 3 1 but was undisclosed so they may not have been

    Ravens 7 1
    Steelers 4 3
    Bengals 1 weren’t punished
    Browns 1 1

    Colts 6 never been punished
    Texans 1 were not punished
    Titans 1 1
    Jags 1 were not punished

    Broncos 4 2
    Chiefs 1 pending
    Raiders 2 1
    Chargers 1 1

    Cowboys 3 1
    Eagles 2 1 pending
    Was 6 3
    Giants 3 zero

    Bears 2 zero
    Lions 2 2
    Packers 1 (6) yrs 0
    Vikings 2 0

    Falcons 2 2
    Panthers 1 0
    Saints 6 2
    Bucs 2 0

    Cardinals 1 0
    49ers 2 0
    Seahawks 2 2
    Rams 0
    The culture of cheating is rampant in the NFL but the Pats are far from the worst

  82. jchipwood says:
    Aug 16, 2015 12:29 PM
    Not sure why Patriot fans are mad at Goodell. The Patriots are the ones who cheated once again. The Patriots are the team that has been caught cheating multiple times. The Patriots could of avoided this by getting rid of Belichick the first time caught cheating and creating a cheating organization. So Patriot fans you have no one to blame except your team.
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    Your team has stunk since the 70’s. Marino was an overrated clown and Shula, the only reason he has the win record is because he coached for 40 years. The Pats have more SB wins in the last 15 years than your team has in their existence.

    Cry baby, cry.

  83. When an owner, or group of owners can take control of the game from the coaches and players all fans lose.
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    “When an owner, or group of owners can follow the current CBA which was negotiated with the NFLPA, giving the players additional guarantees of $$ for additional control of the league, then all cheating teams lose.”

    There I fixed it for you.

    Best Regards

  84. jlkintyre says:
    Aug 16, 2015 2:21 PM
    Look, this is my first post so cut me some slack here. Second, I’ll qualify my comment up-front by saying, “I’ve been a Seahawks fan since ’79. Bias revealed right?

    More, not pasted..

    ———

    This is the most sane post on this topic that I have seen. I am a Pats fan and totally agree.

  85. When an owner, or group of owners can take control of the game from the coaches and players all fans lose.
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    Yet you’d have us believe that one acceptable factor in the foundation of your meritocracy should be repeated cheating as long as it’s to your team’s advantage, and other teams’ disadvantage.

    And that somehow, all fans don’t lose if we simply continue to turn a blind eye.

    There have now been no years since Belichcik and Brady teamed up that cheating can be ruled out – not one.

    Sad that the resulting bounty of this dishonesty is so important to you and other Pats’ fans.

    Cheers

  86. dandeman19 says:
    Aug 16, 2015 1:16 PM

    The Wells report exonerated the Kraft and Bellichick. So why did they get punished?

    Exactly!!!

    If (according to the Wells report), Kraft and BB had no knowledge of any of this; why $1 mill. and 2 draft picks??

    So NFL doesn’t believe the report to be accurate?

    Except being “generally aware” in the same report….

  87. What will the NFL’s reason be for punishing Brady tomorrow?

    I think they have changed their reason 3x already.

    Everytime one of their lies gets exposed as untrue, they change their reason and wording of why they are trying to punish Brady.

    What a bunch of lowlife scum Goodell, most of the owners and the NFL attorneys are.

  88. rwhite151 says:
    Aug 16, 2015 2:29 PM

    jlkintyre says:
    Aug 16, 2015 2:21 PM
    Look, this is my first post so cut me some slack here. Second, I’ll qualify my comment up-front by saying, “I’ve been a Seahawks fan since ’79. Bias revealed right?

    More, not pasted..

    ———

    This is the most sane post on this topic that I have seen. I am a Pats fan and totally agree.
    ======

    Here’s the problem, Goodell essentially did this with Spygate – a slap of the hand and a “let’s get beyond this”, and apparently the Pats took it as a green light to cheat.

    It’s simple risk / reward. If you give up a small fine and a pick for continued shots at Superbowls, why not?

    If a judge gives probation to a robber who then promptly robs again, should the punishment escalate, even if the crime itself did not?

    Isn’t this one of the reasons that pro athletes continue to get in trouble because their abhorrent behavior has been repeatedly forgiven?

    Now Pats fans think their team’s cheating should not be challenged…

    Why?

    Cheers

  89. rwhite151 wrote;

    This is the most sane post on this topic that I have seen. I am a Pats fan and totally agree.

    ———

    Thanks! I know my opinion on this goes over like a, “turd in a punch bowl” with my Seahawks brethren here in the Northwest. Maybe cooler heads (on all sides) can prevail & get on to what really matters, the game!

  90. Judge Berman also needs to seize all personal and work phones of Goodell, Kensil, Vincent, Grigson, Mortenson, Wells, Blandino, Aiello, Pash, Nash, Harold Henderson, Irsay, Biscotti, Harbaugh, Kravitz, all executives at ESPN.

    Would love to see mass resignations from these corrupt people

  91. The Pats spygate they were slapped on the wrist? um no they Jets were they spyed in 06 and 011 and nothing was done the Pats did spy in 07 and paid for it loss of 1st rd pick in 08 Belichick fined 500K the Pats fined 250K that is not a lap on the wrist

  92. Jlkintyre joining the chorus of intelligent fans that think, much like I do, that this is the stupidest most overrated scandal in the history of scandals. And are there really people think football PSI the reason Brady isn’t Josh McCown? I’d say that is moronic but I’d be offending morons everywhere if I did.

  93. ESPN’s Sal Paolantonio said Colts owner Jim Irsay and Ravens owner Steve Bisciotti are among those leading the charge to keep Brady suspended. Both denied the story. To quote Paolantonio:

    By reducing the suspension “you’re angering some of the hardcore owners out there. I know who they are and I’m gonna name ‘em right now: Jim Irsay of the Colts. Steve Bisciotti of the Ravens and others in the AFC who believe the Patriots have gotten away with murder for years, and have not been publicly punished properly.”

    One guy, Irsay was himself suspended by Goodell. The other saw his guy, Ray Rice, driven out of the NFL after his suspension. No doubt both blame Kraft (who was perceived to influence Goodell) and are looking for payback. So, there is a personal thing to this as well.

  94. reigning super bowl champs. 4 super bowl wins in 15 years and highest winning percentage over that span. All those accolades aren’t nearly as satisfying as the crying and whining going on in August from low life trolls, posting multiple times, on multiple sights during the summer when much more is going on in life all around them. THAT speaks volumes. Not only about the sad,sad trolls, but what Brady and the Pats have accomplished. Good times. Pats, obviously doing their job and doing it well. I’m off for a round of golf and I’m sure realitycheckbaby will sit by the computer with his pants around his ankles til the sun goes down. Like I said, Good times

  95. Berman has to be aware that the owners are likely working back channels on this. He can’t cite it as evidence but he can’t ignore it either. It will be interesting if he vacates this award entirely and punts it back to arbitration. Will Goodell fold his cards, double down with a nasty federal appeal, or appoint a neutral arbitrator?

  96. It’s a business. It doesn’t matter if you are selling seats or sandwiches, if you have invested your money, you want to control the business. No one invests millions to let the employees run the business. The players signed on for this.

  97. Looks like Troy Vincent is becoming corrupt like Goodell. When asked why the NFL isnt investigating Aaron Rodgers (im a huge fan of Rodgers, not dissing him at all) because Rodgers likes his footballs over-inflated

    Vincent, it was a post game comment no need to investigate. Huh?

    Guy says he likes footballs overinflated, you have nothing on Brady but you are going to investigate him and u have ZERO. Lmao. What a moron

  98. Pats, obviously doing their job and doing it well. I’m off for a round of golf and I’m sure realitycheckbaby will sit by the computer with his pants around his ankles til the sun goes down. Like I said, Good times.
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    Wow, really got in your head didn’t I?

    Wonder how many times you’ll “forget” to score a stroke or foot wedge a shot from under a tree.

    Like Brady’s dad who is somewhat famous for his dishonest golf play.

    Cheers.

  99. The current fight is about control, and the owners who are pushing the league office to hold firm want a victory not because it hurts Brady and the Patriots specifically but because it generally keeps the players from chipping away at management’s authority over the sport.
    ================================
    Management’s authority has not been undermined by the players. It’s been undermined buy by a bad commissioner and his management team.

    When you go forward with a prosecution, make sure you have proof. When you have proof, like in the Ray Rice case, admit that you have it and don’t lie about it. The league and Goodell are corrupt and Tom Brady should not sell himself out if he believes he did nothing wrong. This was a witch hunt and they tried to work backwards in the investigation and that produced the flawed Wells report. These owners need a good dose of reality and if that comes from Judge Berman, so be it.

  100. reigning super bowl champs. 4 super bowl wins in 15 years and highest winning percentage over that span. All those accolades aren’t nearly as satisfying as the crying and whining going on in August from low life trolls, posting multiple times, on multiple sights during the summer when much more is going on in life all around them. THAT speaks volumes. Not only about the sad,sad trolls, but what Brady and the Pats have accomplished. Good times
    —————–

    So the reality that the above mentioned “winning” is now, and will forever be tainted is really starting to sink in isn’t it?

    Now feel free to call me names and what not, but that doesn’t change reality does it?

    Best Regards

  101. nfella says:
    Aug 16, 2015 1:20 PM
    You’re hitting the nail on the proverbial head here.

    Power mongering billionaires don’t care about 5 mil dropped on a fool’s errand “investigation”. They care about winning at any cost.

    I agree with most of your post; but, not the above. Several of the owners are already complaining about the cost. Mick Jagger was once offered 18 million dollars for a tour. Mick wanted 20 million. The guy trying to put the tour together said “Mick, you’re a billionaire; what’s the difference between 20 million and 18 million?——Jagger said “2 million dollars”. The point being, when it hits them in their pocketbooks (Goodell has cost the owners almost $50 million in total legal costs this year alone, framegate, Rice, Peterson, etc)—that’s money they notice.

  102. “…a sense has emerged among some owners that it’s time to put the football-inflation imbroglio in the rear-view mirror. It already has marred a Super Bowl and hovered over an entire offseason; it now threatens to be one of the major story lines throughout the 2015 season.”

    That is NOTHING compared to the damage this witch hunt has done to the League’s top franchise! Who cares if the NFL suffers a bit of bother? It will still keep getting richer.

    This will only be put into the rear view mirror when the League is forced to vacate Brady’s punishment AND return the Patriots’ million buck and two draft picks AND apologize to the reigning champions for what has been nothing but a smear campaign from the beginning.

  103. No it does not change your reality as I doubt facts do. The REALITY is the Pats have cheated once in the Kraft era and were punished for it. That was in 07 REALITY is many teams have cheated more and have not won squat the Jets anyone? The REALITY is tuckgate and formationgate were not cheating the whiney owners and outcoached coaches got those rules changed. But why let facts ruin YOUR reality

  104. I would love to see how willing Goodell would be tp turn over his phone to Bradys attorneys so they cpuld investigate his texts and emails both personal and work if Bradys attorneys released all of Goodells personal emails to the press and then lie about their contents.

    Lmao. O you arent willing Goodell, youre fired.

  105. REALITY is NOT that the Pats have cheated once.

    Last I looked your owner already admitted they cheated again.

    Deflategate is NOT about the Pats cheating – you did.

    Deflategate is only over whether Brady can be proven being behind the admitted cheating, which we all know he was.

    HTH

    Cheers

  106. Hopefully, Judge Berman sets a precedent in New York similar to what we have seen in Missouri and Minnesota with a strongly worded decision.

    Goodell acting as arbiter is inherently prejudicial and unfair. Farming out the guilt or innocence decision and penalty to Troy Vincent and leaving the arbitration to him was form over substance.

    The NFL and NFLPA could save the time and money, and the courts could keep their dockets free of these cases. As it stands, the NFL has a policy of taking everything to court and the players/NFLPA have no other redress other than court.

    Sadly, most of the individuals that usually scream about trial lawyers over litigating are the ones supporting the NFL abusing the system.

  107. When did Kraft admit it? He never did. He just decided not to fight thinking it will help TB in his fight. He admitted to nothing and the Wells report CLEARED him and Belichick. Oh and suspecting that someone has done something does not mean it happened. OK here is how this works one party suspects another they accuse then must prove the other party did what they are accused of. But the accusing party should be above reproach. You think the NFL is? WOW can I smoke what you are?

  108. No it does not change your reality as I doubt facts do. The REALITY is the Pats have cheated once in the Kraft era and were punished for it. That was in 07 REALITY is many teams have cheated more and have not won squat the Jets anyone? The REALITY is tuckgate and formationgate were not cheating the whiney owners and outcoached coaches got those rules changed. But why let facts ruin YOUR reality
    ———————–

    First, Kraft has already accepted the Punishment for the latest round of CHEATING, so your REALITY is incorrect.

    Second,……again the Twelve year old’s excuse.”Ya but everybody is doing it?”………

    Your team now has a history of Serial Cheating, it is what it is…

    Best Regards

  109. Goodell acting as arbiter is inherently prejudicial and unfair
    =========

    Odd you didn’t think so during bountygate.

    Quit whining.

    The NFLPA agreed to the rules and that included Goodell’s power, fair or not.

    Cheers

  110. When did Kraft admit it? He never did. He just decided not to fight thinking it will help TB in his fight.
    ——————————

    Have you ever heard the term, “Grasping at Straws?”

    Best Regards

  111. Once is a history? Really? Kraft decided not to fight despite the fact that the Wells report exonerated him and Bellichick. Care to explain that? So why did he get punished ? Oh yes I have heard that term as that is all you haters have been doing. The only innocent team at all are the Rams every single other team has cheated at least once. But you only wish to convict the Pats. Not the Colts who had 3 out of 4 balls also under inflated They were not dealt with yet they complained . Is that trying to deflect or what? I am not a Pats fan blinded by love nor am I am hater blinded by jealousy. I just want to have faith and trust in those that accuse the Pats I do not.

  112. [QUOTE][B]On Aug 16, 2015 12:48 PM sdisme says:[/B]

    This isn’t about the guilt or innocence of the Brady or the Pats.

    It’s about Goodell’s total misuse of the conduct detrimental clause in the CBA and the sham investigations and wording the NFL uses to gain fan support.

    It happened to the Saints….It’s happening to the Patriots. Your team could be next.?[/QUOTE]

    I super super super super duper honestly believe, all of you deserve an apology. What I’ve realized throughout all of this is that we treated the Saints exactly like the Patriots are getting right now. It was awful, sorry, football fans should learn to read instead of playing football. The comments I read regarding this subject are so devoid of facts, I hate to call myself a sports fan any longer. Get an education, but wait there are tons in the media and ex-nfl-athletes that do have formal education, yet they spout bias and ignornace…what a society.

  113. The CBA doesn’t give Goodell and the owners the right to create an abomination of Justice with leaks lies and slander

    There is still a responsibility to be fair

    This is a disgusting abuse of power

    The owners should be ashamed of themselves

    Invoke Article VIII – Goodell has NO INTEGRITY

  114. The Wells report exonerated him. Care to explain that? He chose not to fight for the greater good of the league thinking it would help Brady. he said so himself. He also said he thought that he could trust the NFL he said he was wrong

  115. Indeed, cute little god-power clauses don’t give Goodell the right to tell Judge Berman what he can and cannot do.

    How can anyone at this point think that this entire thing was a FARCE from the day Bob Kravitz and Chris Mortensen leaked those reports, the latter being completely false and SET THE NARRATIVE for the last 7 months or ENTIRE SUMMER. Like where does this type of behavior fly except Washington DC and other forms of government? What is wrong with people still thinking that they can do whatever they want and skirt by with no repercussions. It doesn’t take a genius to understand that the rate information spreads means your silly little games and ploys don’t work like they once did.

  116. profootball13 says:
    Aug 16, 2015 1:55 PM

    Maybe he NFL should try running it how they see fit without players.
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    No one is forcing current players to play, they can always get a “real job” huh?…..

    I wonder if there are any other athletes that would agree to take their places making millions to play a game….

    Best Regards
    —————————

    They’ve tried it with replacement players and they’ve tried it with replacement referees.

    Neither one worked.

  117. Once is a history? Really? Kraft decided not to fight despite the fact that the Wells report exonerated him and Bellichick. Care to explain that? So why did he get punished ? Oh yes I have heard that term as that is all you haters have been doing. The only innocent team at all are the Rams every single other team has cheated at least once. But you only wish to convict the Pats. Not the Colts who had 3 out of 4 balls also under inflated They were not dealt with yet they complained . Is that trying to deflect or what? I am not a Pats fan blinded by love nor am I am hater blinded by jealousy. I just want to have faith and trust in those that accuse the Pats I do not.
    ———————————————-

    The FACT is that Kraft accepted the Punishment. I don’t think I need to explain it.

    And again with the,”everyone else does it” excuse….

    Best Regards

  118. profootball13 says:
    Aug 16, 2015 1:55 PM

    Maybe he NFL should try running it how they see fit without players.
    —————————–

    No one is forcing current players to play, they can always get a “real job” huh?…..

    I wonder if there are any other athletes that would agree to take their places making millions to play a game….

    Best Regards
    —————————

    They’ve tried it with replacement players and they’ve tried it with replacement referees.

    Neither one worked
    ———————————–

    First off, just how many current players do you honestly think are willing to quit football and get a real job?

    Second, throwing replacement players and refs together at the last minute is not a very good gauge of a long term solution.

    Best Regards

  119. Do I have to explain it again? Kraft accepted the punishment for the greater good of the league and the negative pub it was getting and thinking it could help TB in is fight. He never admitted any wrong doing and the Wells report exonerated him He chose not to fight for the greater good he easily could have fought like TB Why is this so hard to comprehend?

  120. jchipwood says:
    Aug 16, 2015 12:29 PM
    Not sure why Patriot fans are mad at Goodell. The Patriots are the ones who cheated once again. The Patriots are the team that has been caught cheating multiple times. The Patriots could of avoided this by getting rid of Belichick the first time caught cheating and creating a cheating organization. So Patriot fans you have no one to blame except your team.

    ——

    It’s “could have” or “could’ve,” not “could of.”

    As to your argument, it’s as poor as your Grammar.

  121. kmgunder says:
    Aug 16, 2015 5:15 PM

    jchipwood says:
    Aug 16, 2015 12:29 PM
    Not sure why Patriot fans are mad at Goodell. The Patriots are the ones who cheated once again. The Patriots are the team that has been caught cheating multiple times. The Patriots could of avoided this by getting rid of Belichick the first time caught cheating and creating a cheating organization. So Patriot fans you have no one to blame except your team.

    ——

    It’s “could have” or “could’ve,” not “could of.”

    As to your argument, it’s as poor as your Grammar.
    ========

    You know you’ve lost when you must revert to the grammar police argument.

    Cheers

  122. Do I have to explain it again? Kraft accepted the punishment for the greater good of the league and the negative pub it was getting and thinking it could help TB in is fight.
    ——————————-
    Just so we are on the same page. Kraft accepted the punishment, not because he realized it was in his best interest, but for the BETTERMENT of the League….and by accepting the Punishment for CHEATING this would somehow help Brady prove his innocence?….I can’t make this stuff up…lol

    Best Regards

  123. ———————————————-

    The FACT is that Kraft accepted the Punishment. I don’t think I need to explain it.
    ——————————

    I don’t believe you can explain it. At least not correctly.

    Best Regards

  124. The Koch brothers feel the same way, it’s not working out too well for them either. You know compromise, it’s not as much fun as yelling at your butler, but it has its use in this world.

  125. ….and by accepting the Punishment for CHEATING this would somehow help Brady prove his innocence?

    ***************************

    You obviously have lived in your basement for too long and don’t know how human society functions.

  126. Simple LOGIC that an acceptable explanation should not lead to something that is highly impossible.

    “deflator” can’t be used as evidence against Brady, as it implies that Pats and Brady had cheated for years.

    But how can you explain that Pats and Brady had cheated for years, on something nobody checked or cared, but million dollar investigation failed to find any hard evidence, not even a text message between Brady and McNally?

    That is circumstantial evidence vs hard evidence, and hard evidence always prevail. BTW, it looks like that McNally called himself “deflator” from lifting room.

  127. Simple LOGIC that an acceptable explanation should not lead to something that is highly impossible.

    “deflator” can’t be used as evidence against Brady, as it implies that Pats and Brady had cheated for years.

    But how can you explain that Pats and Brady had cheated for years, on something nobody checked or cared, but million dollar investigation failed to find any hard evidence, not even a text message between Brady and McNally?

    how can you explain McNally worried about not getting signed gifts from brady if he had helped brady cheat for years?

    That is circumstantial evidence vs hard evidence, and hard evidence always prevail. BTW, it looks like that McNally called himself “deflator” from lifting room.

  128. Do I have to explain it again? Kraft accepted the punishment for the greater good of the league and the negative pub it was getting and thinking it could help TB in is fight.
    ========

    Seems like it would be easier, for such a selfless owner and team, to simply stop cheating.

    LOL

    Cheers

  129. No I live in rational society Ok once again Kraft wanted to fight but thought that him backing down would show good faith to the greater good of the league so they in turn would show good faith to TB. Now keep in mind the Wells report had exonerated Kraft. So what he was showing was good faith this is how the real world works in the business of negotiating quid pro quo you give me something in good faith and I will assist you with something you need.Kraft trusted the league would act in the same good faith they did not. He felt screwed . You come at me with your talking points? you must be a hell of a fiction writer

  130. They have cheated once in 10 yrs I am sorry but that is fact that was in 07. That is NOT a history of cheating. I am getting very sick of this rationale that every one uses and think it to be accurate. What is accurate is that ALL teams have cheated many more than the Pats So one day you’ll see the light. Right someone seems to have used the clapper on you and shut off your rational thinking

  131. Seems like it would be easier, for such a selfless owner and team, to simply stop cheating.

    *************************

    Who told you that pats doctored the balls?

    Oh, Kim Jong Un.

  132. ztoa789 says:
    Aug 16, 2015 6:37 PM

    BTW, why didn’t Kraft publish the emails earlier?
    ____

    Or stand up for the ball boys if he had professed them as innocent?

  133. I agree I wish the owners of the Jets Ravens and Coolts would stop their teams from cheating. Oh you mean the Pats? Once in 10 yrs is not a history

  134. Love the usual Trolls appearance! Realitycheckbaby, jchipwood, and profootball13. Imagine if you weren’t here, those 765 thumbs up and 3 thumbs down would be 765 up and 0 down.

    “profootball13 says:
    Aug 16, 2015 5:07 PM

    The FACT is that Kraft accepted the Punishment. I don’t think I need to explain it.

    And again with the,”everyone else does it” excuse….

    Best Regards
    =======================
    Don’t think you need to explain it or not smart enough to explain it? My guess is the latter.
    Best regards

  135. BTW, why didn’t Kraft publish the emails earlier?
    ____

    Or stand up for the ball boys if he had professed them as innocent?

    ________________

    Kim Jong Un told you to say so?

  136. Why does the Media keep stirring the pot?
    Always going around asking questions the same old line “what do you think”?
    Just for the record the media boys are suppose to be knowledgeable on the rules and should know that if some clown says something like “MORE PROBABLE THAN NOT” that this is not going to amount a hill of beans anyplace especially in court.
    For the media boys to think that the general public is so naïve to believe everything you blab over the airwaves is gospel and love tormenting individuals no matter who they are and you sit and laugh like you own them because they have to answer to you.

  137. The sad part is that the NFL and the cabal of owners driving this fiasco think that stomping all over the due process rights of a player is a “win”. Haters should be careful what they wish for, their team is next.

  138. redsghost says:
    Aug 16, 2015 7:33 PM
    Love the usual Trolls appearance! Realitycheckbaby, jchipwood, and profootball13. Imagine if you weren’t here, those 765 thumbs up and 3 thumbs down would be 765 up and 0 down.

    “profootball13 says:
    Aug 16, 2015 5:07 PM

    The FACT is that Kraft accepted the Punishment. I don’t think I need to explain it.

    And again with the,”everyone else does it” excuse….

    Best Regards
    =======================
    Don’t think you need to explain it or not smart enough to explain it? My guess is the latter.
    Best regards
    ———————————-

    No, we both know I don’t need to explain, but throw your insult it doesn’t change anything….lol

    Best Regards

  139. They have cheated once in 10 yrs I am sorry but that is fact that was in 07. That is NOT a history of cheating. I am getting very sick of this rationale that every one uses and think it to be accurate
    ———————

    They cheated in the past, this would give them a…..wait for it….history of cheating.

    See how that works?

    Best Regards

  140. i802cool says:
    Aug 16, 2015 7:58 PM

    The sad part is that the NFL and the cabal of owners driving this fiasco think that stomping all over the due process rights of a player is a “win”. Haters should be careful what they wish for, their team is next.

    ============

    If my team gets caught cheating multiple times, unlike Pats’ fans, I’ll figure they had it coming.

  141. ABUSE OF POWER !!!

    The owners have brought this whole mess upon themselves by not speaking out earlier.

    Allowing a miscarriage of justice to go on… and on… and on, thereby forcing the courts to step in, now takes it out of the NFL’s hands.

    Goodell will go down as the worse commissioner in Sports History. He’s an accident that continues to happen.

    It would be better for the owners to step up, and throw the whole thing out as a simple “misunderstanding”.

    Hide behind the “Ideal Gas Law”, saying that upon review, deflation was caused by physics, no one’s at blame.

    Walk away from this while still able to do so.

    Let Goodell retire for “Personal Reasons” and hope it dies quietly.

  142. They cheated in the past, this would give them a…..wait for it….history of cheating.

    See how that works?

    ******************************************

    Google “Jets videotape in FoxBorough”
    Google “Steeler Coach Cowher : steelers tried to steal signal”.

    And who told you Pats doctored the balls?
    Oh, Kim Jong Un, and you only listen to Kim.

  143. So then by your standard once is a history of cheating. Then all teams have a wait for it history of cheating. This includes the Colts who had 3 of 4 balls under and this have never been addressed in this fiasco. Care to explain that?

  144. That would be true but the Pats have been caught only once in 07. So the Jets have history but not that Pats
    #Truthsucks
    ————————————

    Dan, buddy, take a deep breath. Your team was caught Cheating in the past, so they have a History of Cheating. Trying to deflect this Fact by pointing fingers at other teams is just childish.

    Best Regards

  145. Childish? I just want consistency in rule making and enforcing. If you look at the NFL’s history it simply is not there. The NFL knew about the initial ball deflating report being false. they let stand for 6 months before it was contradicted This allowed haters to pile on I just want consistency I point at others teams to exemplify the lack of consistency. Childish people don’t think intelligently like me But then an artist is only as good as his muse. I am speaking to haters Many haters when I display fact to them either ignore it or run away

  146. ztoa789 says:
    Aug 16, 2015 6:37 PM

    BTW, why didn’t Kraft publish the emails earlier?

    Kraft was hoping for fair treatment from Goodell in the appeal. If Goodell had reduced the suspension to say 2 games, and no acknowledgement of guilt, he probably would have stayed out of it. The destroyed phone leak sealed it. He not only released the e-mails he unambiguously said he wished he had fought the team punishment. Pats lovers think Kraft, BB and TB walk on water so anyone who thinks that the fans or the team will lay down and accept this travesty of justice are sorely mistaken. This is war, and please stop on the popcorn stuff. This is real life, legacies at stake, and not make believe.

  147. When Berman Vacates the Suspension Goodell will appeal and after the season ends be FIRED for all his lies and STUPIDITY!

  148. First comment for me, and only because I keep noticing that realitycheckbaby and profootball13 seem like one and the same person, both in writing style (one ends with cheers, the other with best regards, for example, but there are many other similarities) and in posting times (frequently right next to each other).

    Trolling with two accounts? Coincidence? I don’t know. If you are two people, I apologize. If you are a single person, though, I’d love to hear your reason(s) why. And I don’t mean that I agree or disagree with your arguments here. But you are managing to keep the conversation going on these Deflategate posts almost singlehandedly.

    That said, this whole thing is insane. Although it seems unlikely, I hope more definitive facts come out about what really happened. One way or the other. The AFCC Game events are murky on both sides. But the NFL looks worse every week. And I love football. Makes me sad.

  149. The people who still calm the pats serial cheaters and haters are not smart enough to read those documents and think for themselves. They only think what others tell them or what makes sense to them.

  150. This whole mess could have been avoided if the NFL did the correct thing by coming out and correcting the original erroneous leak by Mortenson and ESPN that 11 of 12 balls were underinflated by 2PSI. A leak from someone in the NFL office. When in fact we all know now that they were not. Only one was close to that number and it was the one turned over by the Colts ball boy all others were less than .45 underinflated as well as 3 of the 4 balls checked of the Colts were also underinflated by .45PSI. So let me say from my investigation that it was MORE PROBALE THAN NOT that the Colts stuck a needle into that ball to prove the Ravens complaint.

    This lack of response to a clearly incorrect leak smacks of a conspiracy against the Patriots and Brady by the NFL. And for the life of me I can not understand why. Because they keep winning – Bellichick will not play nicely with the media – who knows? All I know this whole story is BS over an under inflated ball. I think the NFL should look in the mirror at their cast of murders (yes Hernandez and Rice and let’s not forget OJ) woman beaters-drug users-drunks (Irsay and a list too long of others).

    My wish is for the Patriots to win this next SB and have Goodell hand the MVP to Brady – must see TV.

  151. I hope the Patriots refuse to let GOODELL on the field for the SB trophy ceremony on September 10th….or security stops him and has him arrested for public intoxication….LOL.

  152. “The NFL wants to run its business the way the NFL see fit . . .”

    The problem is that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I think we are seeing that.

    I doubt that the NFL is any different from the rest of the world in that regard.

  153. If Berman says, “I’ll need you to submit the transcripts Wells’ investigation interviews and e-mails/texts between Wells, Kensil, Pasch, Goodell, Exponent, etc., and the Wells report prior to editing by Pasch,” then the NFL will settle. Small fine, no suspension, issue over.

    Then I say (because I’m so important), they revisit the team penalties after a season of data collection.

  154. I’m wondering how many owners we’re talking about. It’s obvious that Robert Kraft is no longer alone in the wilderness; but, is it him and 3 other owners (one source said last week there were 3 owners who were unhappy with framegate) or is it now more? Is it a 50-50 split? We know Irsay and the Raven’s owner. Mara and Jones have expressed support for Goodell; but, I thought they were rather perfunctory in their remarks….I think the owners, like the public, are astounded by the lies and obfuscations coming out of the front office.

  155. It’s the power hungry owners and their greed that causes them to back a cheat and a liar like goodell

    Which makes the owners cheats and liars

  156. Haters! You were out coached and outplayed! End of Story! Greatest Coach and QB of all time! Next year one for the Thumb! Tommy goes home to win his 5th! Keep spewing your jealousy if it makes you feel better! You and your teams have “a loser’s mentality” I’ll enjoy seeing our 5 trophies at 1 Patriot Place Foxboro MA.

  157. Patriot fans keep looking in the wrong places for evidence. Ted Wells isn’t where the important evidence rests. It rests in the areas that Patriots purposely obstructed the investigation – refusing to allow ball boys to be interviewed, Tom Brady destroying his cell phone and providing lies about his knowledge of relationship with the ball boys, etc.

  158. The Pats were cooperative with the NFL and Ted Wells . Ted Wells interviewed the Ball Boys for about 4 hours. Wells told Brady he would not be punished for obstruction. Then Goodell completely undermines the guy he hired. Wells also said to TB he did not need the phone yet again Goodell undermines the guy he hired.

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