Report: NFL to “manage the outcome” in L.A.

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As three teams continue to circle Los Angeles with only two spots available, the situation is destined to get testy between the Rams, Chargers, and Raiders. Which means that, ultimately, the NFL will have to sort it all out.

Sam Farmer of the Los Angeles Times explains that the NFL will “manage the outcome” in part because a traditional approach, with owners casting ballots regarding who can and can’t move, likely will fail. Farmer notes that Chargers owner Dean Spanos likely has nine votes to block the Rams from moving, and that Rams owner Stan Kroenke likely has nine votes to block the Chargers from moving.

Which means no one will be moving unless the NFL figures out a way to broker a deal. Which also means that the deal that gets brokered could entail Spanos and Kroenke joining forces in Inglewood, with the Raiders (who are currently partnered up with the Chargers at the proposed Carson location) being the odd man out.

Which would be ironic, to say the least, given that the Raiders once defied the league and moved to L.A.

84 responses to “Report: NFL to “manage the outcome” in L.A.

  1. The Chargers would bomb in LA.

    I live here. No one wants them. And to compete with another team that already has a brand here?

    It won’t work.

  2. Roger “Anti-Midas” Goodell definitely won’t end up screwing all three teams somehow.

  3. Well no one needs to worry now… because the NFL brain trust will take care of this problem more likely than not. No really! When they put there minds to it, in the end everyone will be so pleased. It may cost 5 to 20 million dollars or so but if anything the NFL has deep pockets and when money is involved the integrity to make everyone involved feel at ease.

  4. Florio, why hasn’t anyone mentioned the possibility of all 3 teams sharing that Inglewood stadium? With Thursday games, and Monday games and road games and the Chargers and Raiders playing each other twice a season (i.e., they can both play on Sunday) it might work.

  5. Maybe the nfl can’t manage a Dairy Queen. Neither could I. But they somehow have managed to make their sport the most popular event in North America every week for many years. All the top rated shows on tv are nfl games. They have record ratings. Each team is worth multiple billions of dollars. Rip away but to deny their success is stupid

  6. Kroeke is moving his team to LA. That’s just how it’s going to be. He has the money and the motive to move and NFL be damned. He’ll fight it out in court if he has to. This has been coming for a long time and he is dug in. There is no way the Rams aren’t in LA next year. And because of that, the Chargers will need to join him. And with San Antonio okay with being a temporary home for the Raiders, I think the Silver and Black will move to Texas.

  7. Los Angeles does NOT need two NFL teams. Hell, they couldn’t even support one when they had two teams back in the 1990s.

    What’s worse, the NFL fell all over itself trying to give the 32nd franchise (that ended up becoming the Houston Texans) to Los Angeles, and the city couldn’t even come up with a competent ownership team back then.

    So what happens when Los Angeles lands a new team or two, and the home games have thousands of empty seats? Will the other owners be asked to subsidize the L.A. team/teams to save Roger Goodell’s face?

  8. The Raiders want out of Oakland.

    Kroenke wants out of St Louis.

    How about Davis and Kroenke trade franchises.

    Davis’ St Louis Rams get a new stadium there.

    Kroenke builds the stadium in Inglewood and is the owner of the LA Raiders.

  9. Here’s a solution.

    Since teams in L.A. never last very long anyway, why not treat L.A. as a form of punishment?

    Each year, whichever team finishes last in the NFL standings is forced to play in L.A. the next season. If they want to get out of L.A., they have to make sure they don’t finish dead last the next season.

    It would have the added benefit of encouraging perpetually under-performing bottom feeders to fight to improve.

  10. Rams and/or Raiders or nothing…anything else is dumb: aka Chargers are fine in SD, would bomb in L.A. except for Raider games.

    Rams have L.A. history/fanbase, even from their dopey O.C./Anaheim days, and the Raiders (who needs a new venue the most) will be fine in Oakland or L.A. as long as a new stadium is involved.

    Sounds like the “owners” are still angry at Al for all the battles with Rozelle and are trying to blackball Tommy Boy Davis out of the SoCal mix. Sounds like Al’s friend Jerry Jo es is backing Kroenke too, which is weird.

  11. nels1959 says:
    Aug 17, 2015 2:22 PM
    Maybe the nfl can’t manage a Dairy Queen. Neither could I. But they somehow have managed to make their sport the most popular event in North America every week for many years. All the top rated shows on tv are nfl games. They have record ratings. Each team is worth multiple billions of dollars. Rip away but to deny their success is stupid
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    I don’t think he is denying their success. But that success was achieved long before most of the current NFL execs were involved in the NFL. What was once successful can become unsuccessful with just the right amount of incompetency.

    Or, once successful execs can become unsuccessful themselves by sticking with their old ways and not learning to adapt and change. See: Al Davis.

  12. funny that the team that states they still own the rights to LA, is the one out. So as the NFL decides, I think ultimately we know it will be the courts that decide. In the last lawsuit the raiders filed against the NFL (TB Bucs). Paul Tagliabue was on the stand, and right after he stated the Raiders paid for the rights to LA, the raiders quickly dismissed the lawsuit and walked away. No lawsuits since then, except for Lame Kiffin.

  13. Please, please , please .. Help the Spanos’ first … their pile of billions isn’t getting big enough, fast enough … their self esteem is taking a huge blow due to this situation. The Spanos’ are the best owners in the NFL so if LA doesn’t work to their liking please help them move to a another city with more promised riches … they deserve it …Thanks !

  14. Other than TV deal$ and shaking down tax payers I doubt the league office could properly manage a game of beer pong. On the other, not all of the owners inherited their positions so there’s that to consider

  15. Go ahead and build all the stadiums you want here guys……just bear in mind that you can only water the grass on alternate Tuesdays……

  16. Rams and Raiders return to their roots. Chargers aren’t wanted, won’t work over the long term and will fail miserably in the market place. Too bad the owners are too dumb to see that and hire all these management and marketing firms to foresee what kinds of revenue they’ll bring in yet fail to grasp the public pulse and vibe. Chargers, if they move, deserve to fail.

  17. Roger’s boys are on the ground manufacturing evidence as we speak. Defame, destroy, then deposit big checks…the Goodell Way

  18. When the team that doesn’t win the race to LA files a lawsuit against the league we will see another 5 million dollar Wells fabrication justifying shutting out whoever it is.

    Wells must dance a little jig any time he sees something with the nfl that might bring major controversy.

  19. Well, since Stan Kroenke owns the Rams and owns the land the stadium is being built on, I’m gonna guess that the Rams will be moving to LA. The NFL has really no say in what he’s doing since he’s funding the stadium himself and is the sole owner of the team.

  20. For the love of all that is holy.

    Just do what is smart and expand the league and stick a team in San Antonio, Portland and somewhere in the south like Alabama,

  21. St. Louis has the best chance at coming up with a stadium plan to keep the Rams but yet the Rams remain the most likely to move. Strange. The Oakland stadium situation is terrible. San Diego is the next worse one of the 3. If the Raiders stay in Oakland, the NFL is going to have to intervene.

  22. “Go ahead and build all the stadiums you want here guys……just bear in mind that you can only water the grass on alternate Tuesdays……”

    I’ve thought aout the whole water thing too. I guess it’s field turf and no landscaping but imagine the amount of water required to build a stadium. I think it’s 34 gallons per yard for concrete alone and just the thought of how mucher water gets used regularly in operations.

  23. The LA Chargers spent one year in LA in 1960 I believe. They then moved to San Diego and won the AFL title that year defeating the Patriots if my memory serves me right. They will have been in San Diego for 55 years when they move to LA. They have a loyal fan base and a tradition in San Diego. In LA they will be a failure because Raider fans will not back them nor will the Rams fans. This is all about ripping off the taxpayer in order to make hundreds of millions of dollars with a new stadium. The NFL owners are like the oil companies. They collude to get the price up and keep it high at the public’s expense. For all the hate directed at Robert Kraft and the Patriots it is curious because Kraft built Gillette Stadium with private money only. He built a restaurant and shopping facility with a hotel right next to the stadium. The public paid for the improvements to the highways and rail that serve the area around the stadium. SO,,, he did not cheat the public. He is one of the few legitimate good guys of the NFL owner brotherhood.

  24. I get that people like to troll saying stupid and outrageous things. I do it from time to time. But “Since teams in LA never last very long anyway”?? The Rams were in LA nearly 50 years. 50 years!! That’s long enough for a person to have been born and see the birth of their grandchildren. Come on man!

  25. PATRIOTSDYNASTYLIVES says:
    Aug 17, 2015 2:23 PM
    There gonna ” manage the outcome ” like everything else…..regardless of the findings they will tell the public what they want ………

    ********************************

    Like the league managed SpyGate.
    Managed to destroy all the evidence, and lied to the public that the evidence wasn’t as bad as made out to be.

  26. What they are really saying is we will do whatever puts the most money in the pockets of the other 29 owners.

  27. It would be nice to see the NFL manage something without turning it into a farce or a debacle….but what are the odds they can manage that? I predict by the end of this you have 3 (more) teams whose owners and fans hate each other only a little less than they end up hating Roger Goodell.

  28. Is it the management of the NFL that makes football so successful or is it the fans that buy the merchandise, refreshments, tickets and sit in front of their tv to watch the games to give them the ratings making $$$ from sponsors. In my opinion the current NFL management has done a lot to degrade the game with all the “can’t do’s”.
    My opinion is success in the NFL is more due to the fan than current NFL management.

  29. I can understand the NFL wanting a team in the huge L.A. market, but more than one team has left L.A. in the past.
    So how are they going to manage two?

  30. For the love of all that is holy.

    Just do what is smart and expand the league and stick a team in San Antonio, Portland and somewhere in the south like Alabama
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    And who is going to quarterback those teams? Tim Tebow? There aren’t 32 starting caliber NFL quarterbacks as it is. If anything, the NFL should contract and lose two or four teams. Adding more teams just makes for more fodder for the fifteen or so teams that have legitimate starting quarterbacks and dilutes the product we love. I mean, who wants to see the Jaguars vs Browns every week? That would be the death knell of NFL football.

  31. vanmorrissey says:
    Aug 17, 2015 2:54 PM

    Rams and Raiders return to their roots. Chargers aren’t wanted, won’t work over the long term and will fail miserably in the market place.
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    The Rams are rooted in Cleveland, and the Raiders in Oakland. But I don’t see LA supporting one team, much less two.

  32. How are Chargers not wanted and the Raiders wanted.? I don’t see the Chargers tarping their stadium like the Raiders. They have outdrawn the trash in Oaktown for 15 years.

  33. Surfinbird1 said:”
    Is it the management of the NFL that makes football so successful or is it the fans that buy the merchandise, refreshments, tickets and sit in front of their tv to watch the games to give them the ratings making $$$ from sponsors. In my opinion the current NFL management has done a lot to degrade the game with all the “can’t do’s”.
    My opinion is success in the NFL is more due to the fan than current NFL management.”

    ====
    Fantasy football is the reason that the popularity of the sport has grown. Without the internet, I seriously doubt the NFL would be raking in as much money as they are now.

    They should have decided long before now what team or teams are moving to LA.

    I am a Charger fan. I think it is more than likely that they will move to LA. I won’t be a fan any longer if they move. In fact, until the decision is finalized, I don’t plan on buying any Charger merchandise.

  34. If the Chargers do leave San Diego for L.A., I hope the city of San Diego fights to keep the name, logo and colors for a potential future expansion team, similar to how Cleveland held onto the Browns I.P. when the earlier incarnation of the Browns moved to Baltimore.

    Plus how great would it be if Dean Spanos moves his team to L.A., they bomb in the market as expected, but he can’t skulk back to S.D. because there’s already a new Chargers team in town?

  35. nels1959 says:
    Aug 17, 2015 2:22 PM

    Maybe the nfl can’t manage a Dairy Queen. Neither could I. But they somehow have managed to make their sport the most popular event in North America every week for many years. All the top rated shows on tv are nfl games. They have record ratings. Each team is worth multiple billions of dollars. Rip away but to deny their success is stupid
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    If this didn’t come straight from the NFL PR department I’ll eat my shirt. Clearly the NFL’s trolling PFT and not liking what they see.

  36. It has been well documented that the words manage and Goodell used in any sentence concerning the ability to lead is simply an oxymoron. Let’s just ask the Colts and Ravens owners what they want. It’s undeniable that in the back rooms they run the show.

  37. If the league is managing this….suspensions are coming and a total PR disaster is in the works.

  38. Like the league managed SpyGate.
    Managed to destroy all the evidence, and lied to the public that the evidence wasn’t as bad as made out to be.


    The reporters saw the videotapes. They weren’t half as sexy in reality as they seem to be in your imagination.

    I never understand the “NFL covered up for the Patriots” conspiracy theories.

  39. Why do we ASSUME there are TWO spots available? If LA gets ONE team that will be sufficient. Why do they “need” two teams?
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    Because of television. L.A. is the second largest market in the United States. Both FOX and CBS will want the L.A. team so they can show them each week. The only way that can happen is if they have two teams, and one is in the NFC and one is in the AFC. If its the Rams and either the Chargers OR the Raiders, then it’s problem solved. If its the Chargers AND the Raiders, somebody’s moving to the NFC.

  40. Just do what is smart and expand the league and stick a team in San Antonio, Portland and somewhere in the south like Alabama,

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    Do you really think they want to expand and have to split the pie 33 or 34 ways instead of 32? I don’t think so. Also, the “somewhere in the south” argument is silly. That’s what they did with Jacksonville, and we can all see how that tiurned out.

  41. The NFL is popular because of the games and the players. They could fire the entire league office and still be as popular, profitable, and managed as well (probably much better). Kroenke has the financing and real estate and that’s why Inglewood was always the answer.

  42. LA loves the Raiders. Al Davis wanted to keep the Raiders in LA, but couldn’t get the owners to agree to letting the Raiders have their own stadium (owners wanted to force Al to share his stadium with another team).

    Rams and Raiders would be the best scenario – send the Chargers to Texas or Vegas or something.

  43. Simple solution. The team currently in the biggest market stays and the 2 that are in the smaller markets go. Thus, Chargers and Rams move and The Raiders stay in Oakland.

  44. As someone who was born and grew up in LA, I’d like to add that I hope LA NEVER gets another NFL franchise. The population of LA is not a football culture beyond USC and UCLA.

    Don’t believe me? Have you lived there? Yes, there are some NFL fans there but not per capita as in other markets (Green Bay being an example). I went to many Raiders & Rams home games growing up. The interest in the game was passive at best by most “fans.” It was a fertile ground for drug-dealing etc. The LAPD were outnumbered & unwilling to do anything about it. The security at the, “Big A” wasn’t much better.

    Moving a franchise there will just give the gangs new set of jerseys to wear, the civilized populous will wait for the Lakers to become relevant again & GOD forbid a new or retread NFL franchise wins the Super Bowl with LA as their home… Those, “fans” will burn the city down in celebration! Oh and once again, the taxpayers will get to pay for that too.

    LA’s had their chance. NFL, move on. The second biggest TV market has been without you for more than twenty years. You’re doing great, record profits etc. Let that hell-hole starve until the Lakers are back on top & we’ll all watch as the city burns!

    -Born in North Hollywood.

  45. I do not care who else moves to L.A. as long as the Rams are one of the teams. The rest of the NFC West is tired of traveling to St. Louis and I am sure the Rams are tired of the flight out west. Sorry AFC West and the Chiefs.

  46. Hearing, as has been reported by others, the Carson site is not happening. Owners aren’t supportive of the plan.

    Rams in Inglewood. Chargers in San Diego. And the Raiders…well. Not sure.

  47. LA already has a brand, its the Raiders and the Rams. I am from San Diego, but lived in LA for a couple of years and I will tell you there are very few Chargers fans, and the ones that are there all have San Diego ties.

    Chargers belong in San Diego. LA and SD are two completely different metropolitan areas. Its not fair to say Chargers could just slide into LA and it will not effect their fan base.

    Keep the Bolts in SD and let Kroenke move to LA. Given the failure of teams in the past, probably better to try it out with one team first.

  48. This should be interesting. With Goodell in charge, all three owners are going to get screwed. That much closer to him being fired. So I’m all for it. Go ahead Goodell, you decide.

  49. Howie Long said the Colisieum was so dangerous he would not let his family attend LA Raider home games. Angelenos are already noted for lassez faire support of the home team, and that is for a winning team. At Dodger games they show up in the 3rd inning and leave in the 8th. It is what it is. The only sport that gets consistent live fan support is NBA basketball. Even then, the fans show up in the 2nd quarter. Traffic? Fashionably late? Who knows.

    The NFL will get back to LA, but they will need to CGI fans into the seats. Doesn’t make a bit of difference in Goodell World.

  50. I’ve followed this saga from the start. Here’s what I’ve learned….

    (1) attendance has nothing to do with it. Despite their .326 winning percentage over the last 11 yes, Rams have averaged over 55k a game. Pretty good really. That would never happen in LA. Yet Kroenke (and Jones) say football hasn’t taken hold. Hmmm.

    (2) Everybody agrees Enos Stanly hasn’t come close to satisfying any of the relo guidelines.

    (3) The Raiders are nothing but a pawn in this game.

    (4) Stl has done way more for this pathetic franchise than any of the respective markets have for their teams (including LA)

    (5) Taking care of the Raider organization isn’t a priority for any of these owners.

    (6) The Chargers earned this more than others and to ask them to compete W/Rams in this market would hurt them.

    (7) SD doesn’t have a groundswell of support to keep the Chargers.

    (8) they’re covering seats up in Oakland.

    (9) Enos Stanly hasn’t spoken to the media since since 2012. Face the music dude.

    (10). Mark Davis has to find someone to buy an interest in his organization or he will lose them when his mom dies.

    Solution…Stan buys controlling interest in Raiders. Sells Rams and builds his palace for Raiders/Chargers. Stl keeps Rams w/new stadium and new owner. Chargers play in LA but cater to SD and Orange Co and re-brand “California Chargers.”

    Next…

  51. Raiders and Chargers by NFL Rule.

    Rebellion against the Rule= Rams and Raiders.

    Las Vegas or San Antonio are perfect for the Chargers.

  52. The Raiders in St. Louis make zero sense, that would give the Chiefs and their fanbase a conniption.

    I agree with the above poster that LA should start again with one team. Right now there is a whole generation of Angelenos that even though they could watch whatever games that are shown in LA or drive to San Diego for the actual gameday experience, they have little to no clue what it is like to have an NFL team in their own city.

    I’d rather see the Rams return to LA just to reverse what Georgia Frontiere did to them over 20 years ago. I would even bet that The Rams and the Mexican Soccer team would infinitely be a better stadium partnership as opposed to a second NFL team.

    The Raiders returning to LA wouldn’t do much more than rehash what has made them undesirable in the first place. San Antonio would deliver what the Raiders need to rebuild their image into what they once were, a team for the everyday hardworking football fan.

    With all that said, now that I understand there are new local politicians for San Diego, I hope the Chargers finally work out their stadium issues and remain in San Diego. I would be hard pressed to find anyone in the Chargers organization other than Spanos and Fabiani that would rather be anywhere else.

  53. 4 divisions, with 8 teams in each division, will ensure that the best 12 teams make the playoffs very year, unlike the current flawed 8-division setup.

    AFC West: Denver, Kansas City, LA Chargers, LA Raiders, Houston, Indianapolis, Tennessee, Cincinatti.
    AFC East: NY Jets, New England, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Baltimore, Jacksonville, Miami.
    NFC West: LA Rams, Seattle, Arizona, San Jose, Dallas, New Orleans, Minnesota, Green Bay.
    NFC East: Chicago, Detroit, NY Giants, Philadelphia, Washington, Carolina, Tampa Bay, Atlanta.

  54. The NFL needs the Rams in STL. What other city would support a .326 winning percentage over an 11yr run like STL has. LA wouldn’t support it over a 2 yr period.

    Who we kidding…LA won’t go even with a winning record.

  55. Kraft is on that board, no? Be thankful his son is not. Jonathan wants to go nuclear on your asses for deflatehate.

  56. I hate Raider fans & they hate us Chargers fans. This is an example of the Eastcoast bias ruining a great AFL rivalry over money. Let’s put two fan bases that have no love lost in L.A. Hmmm S.D fans in L.A that sounds safe?! The NFL is getting greedy and has long watered down America’s game…not a good look. Let’s hear more about Tom Brady & Stadium talk. As long as we’re talking they’re clocking $$$$

  57. I’m going to laugh if the Chargers move, but the Raiders don’t. The Chargers have ZERO fanbase in LA, and their current fans already don’t drive 10 minutes to their current stadium.

    Talk about killing off a fanbase.

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