NFL not saying who will (or won’t) attend Wednesday’s hearing

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It’s still unclear whether Judge Richard M. Berman’s decision to make attendance at Wednesday’s settlement conference in the Tom Brady suspension litigation non-mandatory for Brady and NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell was a test. If it was a test, Brady passed it.

It’s now unclear whether Goodell will pass the test, if it was a test. The NFL has declined comment on who will be attending the hearing.

As we surmised last week, Judge Berman possibly made attendance voluntary in order to see who truly cares about getting the case settled — and who is just going through the motions in advance of a ruling on whether the suspension will be upheld, scrapped, or vacated for further proceedings. With Brady choosing to skip practice against the Saints both Tuesday and Wednesday in order to attend the hearing in court, it’s clear that he’s taking it seriously. Or at least that he’s trying to create the impression that he is.

If the league wants to create the impression that it’s taking the process seriously, Goodell needs to make the much shorter trip from his office in Manhattan to the federal courthouse in Manhattan.

111 responses to “NFL not saying who will (or won’t) attend Wednesday’s hearing

  1. All Gooddell wants is the ability to suspend players for ANY reason, solely at HIS discretion without having to pretend to investigate independently. Hilarious he actually has fans from other teams cheering him on like uneducated sheep.

  2. At this point, we know that there wont be a settlement. Being that I am not a lawyer, etc, I have a question.

    Could the NFL and the NFLPA come to an agreement that this will be the final step? Basically, the NFL and NFLPA agree that they have both played their hands, and what ever the judge rules is the final decision. So they agree to not appeal the decision. They put it on the judge. Make your case, and let the judge rule, and that is the end of it. If both sides are confident that they will win, isn’t that a fair deal?

    In other words, if I believe I have a cant lose case against the other, why wouldn’t I agree to no appeal???

  3. The need to get the “Deflator” under oath with threat of perjury.

    The need to also get Brady’s assistant and ask him about the phones destruction and the events leading up to it.

  4. Now that Brady has committed, Goodell will be there. Someone had to be first, and of course, that was TB12, in the lead as always!

  5. I love it !!
    This is another in your face move by Brady that the NFL has to answer.
    This Commish has never had anyone who so boldly refuses to “submit” to him and kiss his ring.

  6. I personally think while it can’t hurt to be present, if you aren’t needed, you aren’t needed. The Judge shouldn’t really be creating scenarios like that to test the people involved and I don’t think he is. He’s just saying they aren’t needed and I don’t think Brady voluntarily showing up will have much of a bearing on the case.

  7. It is more probable than not that Goodell is generally aware that his scheme stands a better chance of success if he appears to be cooperative.

    As long as the guy that dresses him, ties his shoes and drives him around doesn’t get a flat from under inflated tires Roger the dodger should be there in all his duplicitous glory

  8. It is more probable than not that Goodell is generally aware that his scheme stands a better chance of success if he appears to be cooperative.

    As long as the guy that dresses him, ties his shoes and drives him around doesn’t get a flat from under inflated tires Roger the dodger should be there in all his duplicitous glory

  9. Unlike Brady, it’s no skin off of anybody’s nose if Goodell spends the day in court. The league won’t miss him.

  10. They should leak out Goodell won’t be there.

    See how the twitter crowd reacts. Then leak out “NVM, LOL, JK. He’ll be more probably than not be there. Integrity of the game. Independent. Article 46. Blah blah blah.”

  11. Both sides have a great deal to lose, so one would think that both sides will attend. Brady is compelled to appear because he needs to uphold the narrative he has woven. The commissioner needs to appear in order uphold his authority, which, under scrutiny, has been tested to the limits.

  12. rascalmanny says: Aug 18, 2015 11:42 AM

    Have the equipment guys talked yet?
    ______________________________

    Yes, repeatedly, read the Wells Report so that you can understand the NFLs perspective

  13. Will Goodell still be Commissioner by then? He also failed the “test” set by the owners under Article VIII of their NFL Constitution that says “only a person of unquestioned integrity shall be employed as Commissioner”

    Goodell has now been caught lying under oath to US District Court Barbara Jones in the Ray Rice Video scandal, has been caught leaking false PSI readings to ESPN, sending the same false info in writing to the Patriots, lying about Brady’s testimony in the appeal – released over the NFL’s objections by Judge Berman (after the NFL leaked to ESPN that it was BRADY who didn’t want the transcripts released!)

    And that’s just the tip of the iceberg

    It seems that 31 owners of NFL teams think “unquestioned integrity” means it’s ok to lie under oath.

    As long as Goodell remains in that job, the NFL has no integrity, by the choice of the owners, who apparently WANT a Commissioner who will lie to Judges to protect their profits.

  14. rascalmanny says:

    Aug 18, 2015 11:42 AM

    Have the equipment guys talked yet?

    ———————————-

    They talked multiple times to Wells during the investigation but Wells decided to leave it all out of his report.

  15. ***rascalmanny says:
    Aug 18, 2015 11:42 AM
    Have the equipment guys talked yet?***

    yes, for 6-7 hours each to Wells.

  16. In all seriousness… I know I learned my lesson about how the NFL* can and will royally screw innocent people over for no reason other than the fact they can. I fell for their narrative on Bountygate and now I apologize to the Saints and their fans for anything I might have said about that team when I didn’t look at all the real facts with an objective eye. I know better now. Same for the Incognito case.

    Nobody should ever trust anything the NFL* has to say again as long as this incompetent commissioner and his stooges are in charge. Which hopefully won’t be for much longer.

  17. I do not believe the judge will ignore the law and facts in the case and rule based on who he perceives “wants it more.” Is that how you think American justice works? “I’ll make some phony preliminary ruling and deceive the litigants into revealing to me the results of a made-up test.”

    I think the dunking pool works better.

  18. Independence Wells will be there. He’s a lot like Calamity Jane exc or she could hit what she shot at.

  19. If Roger Goodell is wondering if he will ever be welcome at Gillette Stadium again the answer is a resounding NO.

  20. As we surmised last week, Judge Berman possibly made attendance voluntary in order to see who truly cares about getting the case settled ….
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    “It’s a trap!” — Admiral Ackbar

  21. beach305 says:
    Aug 18, 2015 11:48 AM

    The need to get the “Deflator” under oath with threat of perjury.

    The need to also get Brady’s assistant and ask him about the phones destruction and the events leading up to it.

    Now why would so many (Pats fans) be giving your comment a thumbs down? Truth will set them free, it will hurt a bit though.

  22. Revis and Bareback says:
    Aug 18, 2015 11:43 AM
    At this point, we know that there wont be a settlement. Being that I am not a lawyer, etc, I have a question.

    Could the NFL and the NFLPA come to an agreement that this will be the final step? Basically, the NFL and NFLPA agree that they have both played their hands, and what ever the judge rules is the final decision. So they agree to not appeal the decision. They put it on the judge. Make your case, and let the judge rule, and that is the end of it. If both sides are confident that they will win, isn’t that a fair deal?

    In other words, if I believe I have a cant lose case against the other, why wouldn’t I agree to no appeal???
    ______________

    Ummm, how about Goodell just recuse himself in the first place and let it got to a truly neutral arbitrator? Oh right, Goodell knew he’d lose that in a heartbeat so he tried this clown show. I can barely hear from the sound of him hammering the square peg into the round hole.

  23. Goodell is all talk about integrity and transparency but appears to not know the meaning of either.

  24. You can see who the stand up person, in this case is, TB12. He will be there, with a big bag, to personally give the Deflator his size 11 kicks, and signed balls. Jastremski brought his needle, just in case TB12 had some issues getting the balls out.

  25. The need to get the “Deflator” under oath with threat of perjury.

    The need to also get Brady’s assistant and ask him about the phones destruction and the events leading up to it.

    Now why would so many (Pats fans) be giving your comment a thumbs down? Truth will set them free, it will hurt a bit though.”
    —-

    Probably because they judge CAN’T get those people under oath because the NFL and NFLPA agreed to no new testimony. I think most Pats fans would welcome any and all truth. The more truth that comes out, the better Brady looks.

    Ask yourself this: If Wells interviewed both the equipment guys and what they had to say was so damning, then why did he not include ANY of what they had to say in the Wells Report.

    Also: Brady DID testify under oath and people who don’t want to believe him don’t care at all. If those guys testify under oath that they didn’t do anything you won’t believe them anyway.

  26. jimmyt says: The need to get the “Deflator” under oath with threat of perjury.
    ============================

    They were sworn in with Wells and gave 7 hours of testimony (detailing how their job is to deflate and re-inflate the footballs to break them in when the Wilson Co. sends them over)

    Wells didn’t want to include their testimony and Goodell COULD have sworn them in and had them testify under oath in the appeal hearing – but chose not to – you should ask yourself why.

    And since Goodell refused to have them testify in the appeal, they now can’t be called to testify before Judge Berman. This is all by Goodell’s choice and it’s obvious he doesn’t want them to swear under oath that Goodell is lying.

  27. ibelievebrady says:
    Aug 18, 2015 11:58 AM

    rascalmanny says:

    Aug 18, 2015 11:42 AM

    Have the equipment guys talked yet?

    ———————————-
    They talked multiple times to Wells during the investigation but Wells decided to leave it all out of his report.

    **************************
    Maybe Pash “wordsmithed” the EQ guy’s “I never did anything” testimony out of the report. That allowed the false narrative to build (a) they refused a final interview and (b) they are now in hiding. As you can see in this string that narrative is still strong in Hater World. So the NFL hung their case on bogus science and they let the EQ guy’s obviously damning testimony slide? Get real.

  28. “China’s currency devaluation is raising significant fears of deflation.”
    “Out of habit, Tom Brady denied knowing anything about the deflation and destroyed another cellphone…”

    Steve Kelley
    USA T0day

  29. Brady takes off 2 days of work to prepare for a hearing he is not even testifying at? Interesting strategy there.

  30. Since Goodell refused to call “the deflator” to testify in the appeal hearing they now CAN’T be called by Judge Berman. You can Google this.

    The “deflator” was used to refer to their football prep, deflating the new Wilsons when they arrived from the factory. Google this

    The “deflator” wasn’t fired. He was suspended at the insistance of the NFL, and can only be re-instated by Troy Vincent as a result. Google this

    Now ask yourself WHY Goodell feared putting “the deflator” on the stand to reaffirm that he did nothing.

    Ask yourself why Goodell changed the violation to Brady’s refusal to give up a cellphone the NFL had no right to ask for – and had advised Brady they would not, and did not need it.

    Ask yourself why GOODELL refused to give up his cellphone in the Mueller Report investigation.

    You Haters make it FAR too easy to mock you

  31. Doesn’t Goodell want to show up to court so he can tell Berman face to face that despite the NFL filing the case with him the judge has no right to question Goodell’s authority? In short, he’s telling the judge he is suppose to be a rubber stamp.

    He is also telling the judge that the NFL, because of the CBA, is entitled to a carve out from all federal laws and regulatory rulings.

  32. joesixpack have you lost your mind? Judge Berman can call whoever he wants to testify no matter what happened with Wells or the appeal. This is now in a court of law.

  33. Ask Brady, under oath: Did you ever receive illegal radio signals in your helmet. Make the soft balls look like nothing.
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    Kessler: Objection! Irrelevant to the question before the court.

    The Court: Sustained. Counsel will confine its questions to ball deflation on Jan 18 , 2015.

  34. “Ask yourself this: If Wells interviewed both the equipment guys and what they had to say was so damning, then why did he not include ANY of what they had to say in the Wells Report.”

    The same reason Goodell destroyed the tapes, to not show the rest of the World how bad the cheating was. Those of you that still think he has it out for Brady just crack me up. Goodell didn’t want this, Brady should have taken his suspension and moved on, now the real seedy parts of his cheating and bribing will be revealed.

  35. johnlink00 says:
    Aug 18, 2015 12:27 PM

    Also: Brady DID testify under oath and people who don’t want to believe him don’t care at all. If those guys testify under oath that they didn’t do anything you won’t believe them anyway.
    ———————————-

    Which means what? Is this the difference between hims saying ‘no i didn’t’ or ‘no i didn’t…i swear under oath’. He still isn’t bound to be truthful.

  36. mrmcdougle says:

    Ask Brady, under oath: Did you ever receive illegal radio signals in your helmet. Make the soft balls look like nothing.
    ======================================

    what’s the frequency Kenneth?

  37. jimmyt says:
    Aug 18, 2015 12:20 PM
    beach305 says:
    Aug 18, 2015 11:48 AM

    The need to get the “Deflator” under oath with threat of perjury.

    The need to also get Brady’s assistant and ask him about the phones destruction and the events leading up to it.

    Now why would so many (Pats fans) be giving your comment a thumbs down? Truth will set them free, it will hurt a bit though.

    ________________________________________

    Those thumbs down are not coming just from Pats fans. Even if you believe Brady did it, even if he did “do” it, that comment is ridiculous.

    Step back for a moment. Breathe. Think about truth for a minute.

    The NFL did not enforce this rule properly. If they did, there would be no need for month long investigations, appeals, and trials. Rules are rules, right? If you break a rule, you pay the consequences. But who’s responsible for enforcing the rules in the NFL? It’s not the federal government is it? What is the burden of proof?

    The NFL admitted in open court last week that they don’t have any evidence that Tom cheated. What are they doing?

    I’ll make a big assumption and say Brady told those guys to deflate the balls. But they were not 2 PSI under. They have since admitted they had no idea what they were doing. They essentially launched a sham investigation to find evidence that didn’t exist. There was no need to ruin superbowl week, or to conduct a multi-month investigation asking for phone records. There was no need for a sham appeal.

    Putting the deflator in a federal courtroom is just plain ridiculous.

  38. bostontdparty says:
    Aug 18, 2015 12:47 PM
    mrmcdougle says:

    Ask Brady, under oath: Did you ever receive illegal radio signals in your helmet. Make the soft balls look like nothing.
    ======================================

    what’s the frequency Kenneth?
    ———

    Certainly not the one other NFL QB’s were using.

  39. This might be the most interesting relationship between a HOF QB and the NFL that I’ve ever seen. It will be interesting to see Tommy’s comments after he’s retired. Does he take the high road or does he rip Goddell and the league?

  40. “jimmyt says:
    Aug 18, 2015 12:46 PM
    “Ask yourself this: If Wells interviewed both the equipment guys and what they had to say was so damning, then why did he not include ANY of what they had to say in the Wells Report.”

    The same reason Goodell destroyed the tapes, to not show the rest of the World how bad the cheating was. Those of you that still think he has it out for Brady just crack me up. Goodell didn’t want this, Brady should have taken his suspension and moved on, now the real seedy parts of his cheating and bribing will be revealed.”


    You mean those tapes that were shown to the media on an loop until everyone was satisfied that they had seen enough? You mean the tapes of coaches using hand signals on the sidelines in front of 50K people?

    Yeah he really did the Pats a solid by destroying those and giving the ignorant trolls fodder

  41. dingbatsrus says: Aug 18, 2015 11:43 AM

    Goodell will be the..oh who am I kidding…

    He’ll just have the Mouth of Sauron do the visiting and talking for him

    ++++++++++++++++

    I wish I could like this a million times!

    “My Master, Goodell the Great, bids thee welcome!!!”

  42. Article 46 gives the commish broad powers with respect to off the field punishment, however it does state there is a standard that must be met.

    The reasonable standard.

    A legal term of art, and the judge has the job of ensuring that the commish did meet this standard in determining if there was an act that led to the punishment.

    The unsealing of Well’s notes will go a long way in making this determination.

    the notes will tell us what the ball boys testified to.

    the notes will tell us why Wells did not require the phone to be turned over

    the notes will tell us what Belichick testified to

    the notes will tell us what Kraft testified to

    the lack of any notes from the NFL side of the investigation will also tell us what the intent of the investigation was.

    When Berman asks for the notes, then the NFL’s story will become interesting.

    I find it fascinating that Mara wants this to end, and he states he has not pressured Godell.

    I find it interesting in public that Irsay and Biscotti state they are not applying pressure.

    Well either Godell is not getting the story right from the owners, or the owners are lying.

    or a combination of both.

  43. “The need to get the “Deflator” under oath with threat of perjury.

    The need to also get Brady’s assistant and ask him about the phones destruction and the events leading up to it.”

    What makes you think the equipment guys would say anything different under oath then they did when Wells and company spent hours trying to browbeat them into admitting they did something they didn’t do ?

    And what, the phone that Brady allowed them to view all relevant texts on ? The one he turned over all records for so that Wells could easily have had them cross-referenced against the league issued phones taken from the ball attendants to see if anything had been hidden by Brady ?

    Do you really thing after spending 5 million dollars on the Wells fabrications that they couldn’t have spent another few thousand cross referencing those phone records ? Do you really thing they did so because they didn’t want to spend any money or because the records shows Brady withheld nothing and it didn’t match their narrative of “Brady destroyed the phone the big cheater” ?

    All your comments show is you read very little past the blatantly false 11 of 12 balls at least 2 pounds under and the word cheated.

  44. Any word on whether there will be a new commissioner in place by Super Bowl 50 … or will an acting commissioner present Tom Brady with the Super Bowl MVP trophy?

  45. You mean those tapes that were shown to the media on an loop until everyone was satisfied that they had seen enough? You mean the tapes of coaches using hand signals on the sidelines in front of 50K people?

    Yeah he really did the Pats a solid by destroying those and giving the ignorant trolls fodder

    ——-
    The tapes were destroyed for only one reason…because they showed other teams doing the same thing. 🙂 Exposing the tapes would make the NFL* look absolutely ridiculous for penalizing the Patriots the way they did and we can’t have that perception can we.

    Patriot Hater’s opinion on this and anything else is trash and therefore irrelevant. 🙂

  46. Everyone wants JJ and McNally to testify. I want Walt Anderson on that stand. If I’m Kessler I’m getting him to testify that he is aware of the Ideal Gas Law. Then have him walk us through what went on at halftime. Vincent is a liar. In case you don’t know, it’s Doctor Walt Anderson. Yes a dentist but he still would have been required to take science courses and that being a subject.

  47. Wells wanted to interview McNally a 2nd time because his team hadn’t noticed the “Deflator” text before he was interviewed, but the Patriots lawyers claim that it was agreed in advance that Wells’ team would get one interview with each person. I’ve read a lot on this, and I have never seen Wells dispute that claim.

    What is interesting is that the entire investigation was about deflation…..how did they miss that text? I call BS on that argument.

    Seems to me that Wells may have intentionally avoided asking McNally about that text, because he could then:

    1. ask for a 2nd interview he knew he probably wasn’t going to get, then could cite lack of cooperation.

    2. didn’t really want an answer from McNally, instead wanted to be able to speculate on it, as he has.

  48. I find all the whining about Goodell’s dictator like decision making hilarious. You seem to forget the NFL is a monopoly and is legally allowed to run as a monopoly. WHY, all of a sudden, are you crying about it now? If the players (and fans) don’t like it, kill the golden goose and be done with it, Brady wouldn’t have (and apparently lose) his super model wife if it wasn’t for the NFL, he would be a nobody like the rest of us. Time to stop the stupidity, either accept the rules or kill the goose.

  49. Hey Rog. If the integrity of the game is so important, and what Brady allegedly SO egregious, why did you let an entire half of the AFC Championship game be played with tainted footballs?

    Bueller?

    Bueller?

  50. mrmcdougle says:
    Aug 18, 2015 12:31 PM

    Ask Brady, under oath: Did you ever receive illegal radio signals in your helmet.

    I’m curious – what’s the difference between “legal” radio signals and “illegal” radio signals? You know that every QB in the NFL has a radio in his helmet, right?

  51. defscottyb says:
    Aug 18, 2015 1:21 PM

    Auuugh… can’t wait for Brady to retire so the Pats are irrelevant again.

    —————

    That might be in 2020, so you have a while to wait.

  52. jimmyt says:
    Aug 18, 2015 12:46 PM
    “Ask yourself this: If Wells interviewed both the equipment guys and what they had to say was so damning, then why did he not include ANY of what they had to say in the Wells Report.”

    The same reason Goodell destroyed the tapes, to not show the rest of the World how bad the cheating was. Those of you that still think he has it out for Brady just crack me up. Goodell didn’t want this, Brady should have taken his suspension and moved on, now the real seedy parts of his cheating and bribing will be revealed.
    ——————————————-
    I get your drift. Those moon landings? Fake

    I’m ready to follow you. But careful the next time you walk past the horizon, you’ll fall right off the edge of the earth.

  53. At the very least, this whole thing has made it clear that changes need to be made ASAP in the League’s discipline process. Even if you agree with Goddell’s decision, the process was dragged out way too far to the point where the legal process has to wrap up quickly for it to actually make a difference.
    All in all, there seems to be a cycle of messing up/going too lenient on someone, then getting too severe on other people to compensate, etc. That madness has to stop. It cannot be that difficult to find a truly independent party or parties (maybe paid for equally from union and league?) that can litigate these matters and move on.

  54. Riddle me this Batman…….Why would the NFL want to frame their poster boy Brady and thus do damage to themselves?

    ……The responses will be entertaining

  55. alan226 says:
    Aug 18, 2015 1:36 PM

    Hey Rog. If the integrity of the game is so important, and what Brady allegedly SO egregious, why did you let an entire half of the AFC Championship game be played with tainted footballs?

    Bueller?

    Bueller?

    —————

    What is the NFL’s answer to that question. We now know the league was sent an email from the Colts which prompted no warning to the Patriots. Are the NFL trying to say that an in game complaint generated the half time measurement and not that email?

    Why wouldn’t the league either warn the Patriots, which would solve the problem, or take control of the balls completely, which would have solved the problem. That should have been the natural extension of the email they received from the colts.

  56. cmadatme says:
    Aug 18, 2015 1:18 PM

    Everyone wants JJ and McNally to testify. I want Walt Anderson on that stand. If I’m Kessler I’m getting him to testify that he is aware of the Ideal Gas Law. Then have him walk us through what went on at halftime. Vincent is a liar. In case you don’t know, it’s Doctor Walt Anderson. Yes a dentist but he still would have been required to take science courses and that being a subject.

    Not that it’s possible at the current trial, but I’d also like to hear from Blakeman and Prioleau. There are issues about the halftime measurements that Exponent pretended were shrouded in doubt but which these three people could resolve fairly easily.

    1) How much time passed between bringing the balls in and gauging them?
    2) How much time passed between gauging the Pats’ balls and the Colts’ balls? Were the Pats’ footballs re-inflated and re-gauged in between?
    3) Why did Blakeman and Prioleau apparently trade gauges between sets of balls?
    4) What happened with Colts’ football #3? It seems to have had its pressure improperly recorded. Did Blakeman and Prioleau notice that one of the gauges consistently recorded a lower pressure than the other? (I’m guessing yes.) How did that pattern not continue with Colts’ football #3?

    These are fairly simple questions that I don’t doubt these men known the answers to. What I don’t really understand is how the Wells report treated them as unsolvable mysteries. They’re willing to dig through 10 months of text messages but nobody wants to get these guys on the phone to answer what are obviously relevant questions?

    But of course, if Ted Wells didn’t want to hear a certain answer, I’m sure he just avoided asking the question.

  57. j0esixpack says:
    Aug 18, 2015 12:40 PM

    Since Goodell refused to call “the deflator” to testify in the appeal hearing they now CAN’T be called by Judge Berman. You can Google this.

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    Legal mumbo jumbo aside, this judge seems to be doing what he wants to resolve this. As a Pats’ fan, I’d love to see the ball boys swear under oath that they did nothing – the league will look like a bunch of tin foilers if that happens.

  58. “I’m curious – what’s the difference between “legal” radio signals and “illegal” radio signals? You know that every QB in the NFL has a radio in his helmet, right?”

    You know that the signal is supposed to go silent with less than 15 seconds before the play clock expires, right?

    I’m guessing that is what the OP was referring to.

  59. ray rice fiasco

    spygate debacle

    adrain pederson mess-up

    hugging players at the draft like he’s a drunk teenager

    now this…

    there is only one take-away

    “SAVE THE NFL – FIRE ROGER GOODELL”

  60. Legal mumbo jumbo aside, this judge seems to be doing what he wants to resolve this. As a Pats’ fan, I’d love to see the ball boys swear under oath that they did nothing – the league will look like a bunch of tin foilers if that happens.

    ————————-

    Yes, the Delator’s explanation of his name under oath should be quite entertaining.

    Best Regards

  61. beach305 says:
    Aug 18, 2015 11:48 AM

    The need to get the “Deflator” under oath with threat of perjury.

    The need to also get Brady’s assistant and ask him about the phones destruction and the events leading up to it.

    ————–

    The investigation is already over along with the appeal. Now the Judge is deciding on whether they had a right to suspend Brady 4 games.

  62. I forgot the bountygate mess-up too. this guy is an egotist AND has no idea how to handle issues out of the ESPN / media spotlight.

    whats WORSE is that he LIKES to drag teams through the media with issues – issues that arent real. Like this one. Jets GM Kensil clearly had it out for the Patriots and this bonehead wasnt smart enough to see it.

    Go Brady..

    Save the NFL; fire Roger Goodell..

  63. cornerstone2001 says:
    Aug 18, 2015 1:42 PM

    Riddle me this Batman…….Why would the NFL want to frame their poster boy Brady and thus do damage to themselves?

    I don’t think the owners of the Colts, Ravens, and Jets and other AFC teams feel “damaged” here. And they’re the ones pushing Goodell down the path he’s taken.

    You are presuming two things. One, that the other owners have cool, reasoned, objective views of what the Patriots do. To the contrary, they just assumed that the Patriots were cheating, and convinced each other that it must be true. I doubt any of them read the Wells report and likely none of them is up on the science. Like Mike Kensil, they treat the science as “unimportant minutiae” while they focus on what they think is real evidence. Even though it isn’t.

    The second thing you’re presuming is that the NFL would be acting in its best interest as a league. That’s not how it works. Each individual is acting in what he perceives to be his own best interest. For Irsay, his best interest involves smearing the Patriots. Apparently other owners feel the same way.

    For Goodell, he thinks his best interest lies in three things: 1) keeping the majority of owners happy, 2) expanding his power, and 3) fighting on while conceding no ground. There is an unfortunate feedback loop going on. The more he tries to sell the public on the rightness of his action, the more the owners think that he’s actually doing a legitimate job, and the more they keep putting pressure on him to keep after Brady. The fact that he is a chronic liar doesn’t help, because the owners are likely to believe his lies without noticing that they are lies.

    If Goodell were a real leader, he would never have let this train leave the station. But he got himself caught in a trap of his own devising. His sloppy attitude towards evidence and due process, and his insistence that he be allowed to punish players even absent a high standard of proof has inevitably led him into a situation where he’s tried and convicted somebody with far less evidence than any real court would require. Which means that it’s fairly likely he’s convicted an innocent person.
    (Regardless of whether Brady is innocent or not, people have to concede that there is essentially no evidence against him.) (And no, a text message from a man who works with footballs that includes the word “deflator” sent last May doesn’t mean that cheating happened 8 months later. It just doesn’t. It’s deliberately prejudicial information.)

  64. Riddle me this Batman…….Why would the NFL want to frame their poster boy Brady and thus do damage to themselves?

    ……The responses will be entertaining
    ===
    Why do you even have to ask at this point?

    They’re doing this to establish precedent expanding the scope of offenses punishable under Article 46 of the CBA. It’s not about Brady any more. It’s about the NFLPA and the NFL and their fight for leverage over the other.

  65. “Legal mumbo jumbo aside, this judge seems to be doing what he wants to resolve this.”

    Clearly this was a rumor started by the NFL to try to intimidate Brady. Judge Berman isn’t in the habit of leaking his thoughts to Sal Paolantonio.

  66. getyourownname says:
    Aug 18, 2015 1:46 PM

    “I’m curious – what’s the difference between “legal” radio signals and “illegal” radio signals? You know that every QB in the NFL has a radio in his helmet, right?”

    You know that the signal is supposed to go silent with less than 15 seconds before the play clock expires, right?

    I’m guessing that is what the OP was referring to.

    Actually I didn’t know that. OK, so now we can start another evidence-free conspiracy theory. Have fun!

  67. 4) What happened with Colts’ football #3? It seems to have had its pressure improperly recorded. Did Blakeman and Prioleau notice that one of the gauges consistently recorded a lower pressure than the other? (I’m guessing yes.) How did that pattern not continue with Colts’ football #3?

    ————

    It’s more probable than not that the Prioleau’s reading for ball #3 was actually 12.05, but they couldn’t have all 4 Colts balls under the lower limit and certainly couldn’t have a Colts ball a full pound under its original psi, so after the fact a little stem was added to the zero in 12.05 to make it 12.95. Then they concocted the “switched gauge story” in order to invalidate the readings for that ball.

    Wells report should have had a picture of the original hand written psi notes.

  68. cornerstone2001 says:
    Aug 18, 2015 1:42 PM

    Riddle me this Batman…….Why would the NFL want to frame their poster boy Brady and thus do damage to themselves?

    ……The responses will be entertaining

    ————

    That same thing bugs Patriots fans. There’s seemingly no good reason for the NFL to do what they appear to have done.

    Why didn’t the NFL warn the Patriots about the Colts email on ball deflation before the AFCCG, which would have allowed the Patriots to monitor their procedures. Wells found Belichick had no knowledge of what was going on. Why didn’t they tell him before the game and prevent DeflateGate all together. A warning letter is standard NFL procedure.

    Why did the NFL leak false information to garner public support?

    Why didn’t the NFL just fine the Patriots and move on and not implicate Brady on such circumstantial evidence? To protect their “poster boy”.

    Why didn’t Goodell just fine Brady in line with past offenses of ball tampering and obstructing an NFL investigation?

    It certainly seems like the NFL never wanted this to go away quietly.

  69. Yes, the Delator’s (sic) explanation of his name under oath should be quite entertaining.

    Not a name. Wasn’t capitalized. Was used once in 10 months of text messages.

    Pretty pathetic as “gotchas” go.

    A certain type of football fan seems to think that the word “deflate” is only used to mean “tamper with footballs after they’ve been given to the officials.” I have no idea how they arrived at this state of mind.

    McNally says that he used the word “deflate” to refer to losing weight. There is, in fact, another text message that he sent to Jastremski in which he says “deflate and give somebody that jacket”. This was during a road game – McNally wasn’t there but Jastremski was. The camera caught Jastremski walking around with a giant puffy winter coat on, carrying another jacket. Clearly the intent of the message was not “go track down the footballs and tamper with them” but rather “you look like a doofus on national TV, get rid of the coat and, by the way, you look like the Michelin man in that coat you’re wearing.”

    If you look at Google, there are hundreds of thousands of hits for people using the word “deflate” in the context of losing weight. It would be particularly apt for a person who worked with footballs to choose this word as a metaphor.

    What things happened after this text message were sent that put the lie to Wells’ interpretation?
    1) the Pats played the Jets and the balls were over-inflated
    2) Jastremski sent a text to his wife saying “they were at 16 psi, not 13 like they are supposed to be”
    3) Brady insisted that every ref be shown a copy of the rules saying that the footballs should be in the range from 12.5 to 13.5 psi.

    What didn’t happen? Nobody sent any message to anybody, or discussed with anybody, anything regarding tampering with footballs to drop them below 12.5 psi.

    An honest person who really cared about the standard of “preponderance of evidence” would have to concede that there is far more evidence against the theory that the Patriots tampered with the footballs than for the theory. But Ted Wells is not an honest man.

    He and Goodell chose to deliberately ignore every statement that was exculpatory to the Patriots. And then they chose to believe that the referee had used the non-logo gauge, in spite of his statement to the contrary. The entire process is a great case example of how to abuse power, when one party wears all of the following hats: investigator, fact finder, judge, sentencer, and hearer of appeal/arbitrator.

    Anybody who cares about fairness should care far more about this abuse of power than anything else.

  70. McNally and Jaskremski won’t be there. They are already in Krafts Patriot Protection Program and living in Hawaii with golf memberships at the course Video Tech McNally is the head pro at now.
    Roger and Kraft/ Brady/ Belichik interactions will be priceless for the rest of history…..lol

  71. “All in all, there seems to be a cycle of messing up/going too lenient on someone, then getting too severe on other people to compensate, etc. That madness has to stop. It cannot be that difficult to find a truly independent party or parties (maybe paid for equally from union and league?) that can litigate these matters and move on.”

    The NFL shouldn’t be in the business of running investigations and holding kangaroo courts. They don’t do a good job of it. And their little foray into science has been an unmitigated disaster. Maybe if they had a commissioner willing to stand up to even a majority of owners this process could be defensible. But since the owners hire the commissioner, that’s unlikely to happen anytime soon. The entire process is far too political to be trustworthy as a legal proceeding.

  72. “Riddle me this Batman…….Why would the NFL want to frame their poster boy Brady and thus do damage to themselves?”

    Its not the league per se. Its the human beings who are former NY Jets employees in the league office who loathe the Pats and have serious grudges against them that are doing this.

    The league has no reason to frame one o their primary stars. The human beings involved who run the league office have many reasons to do so.

  73. cornerstone2001 says:
    Aug 18, 2015 1:42 PM

    Riddle me this Batman…….Why would the NFL want to frame their poster boy Brady and thus do damage to themselves?

    ……The responses will be entertaining

    __________________

    I doubt it started out that way…..once the NFL was exposed for being totally inept idiots regarding the PSI and the bad leaked info they had to keep up the show against Brady to save face……I’m a Steelers fan…….I hate all things Patriots but I’m not blind.

  74. Wells wanted to interview McNally a 2nd time because his team hadn’t noticed the “Deflator” text before he was interviewed, but the Patriots lawyers claim that it was agreed in advance that Wells’ team would get one interview with each person. I’ve read a lot on this, and I have never seen Wells dispute that claim.
    ——————-

    The Patriots agreed to a 2nd interview only if Wells came up with new information. Since they had had all of the text messages since long before the initial interview, there was no new information.

    It isn’t the Patriots fault that Wells didn’t do his job.

    Of course, like everything else, they misrepresented it as the Patriots not cooperating.

  75. Goodell had every right to ask the ball boys to testify at the appeal meeting under oath. In fact if he wanted the truth that was a very easy way to uncover it.

    He chose not to do so.

    Now why do you suppose that is?

    🙂

  76. Oh I just can’t wait. The anticipation of Goodell and the NFL getting their whippin’ is just too much. I can’t wait!

    Goodell/Wells/NFL are so full of crap …. it would be one thing if it was 1 or 2 nefarious things, mess ups, inconsistencies …. but no they have done so many malicious, egregious, juvenile, misrepresentation, ignoranc, changing of stds, wild inconsistencies, creation of rules out of CBA thin air …. and worst of all ARROGANCE. It makes your head spin. Did you catch it where Nash told Berman … effectively as long as I have 1 iota of inference of guilt … I can do whatever I want.

    Goodell/NFL needs to be slapped hard, real hard.

  77. mmack66 says:
    Aug 18, 2015 2:29 PM

    Wells wanted to interview McNally a 2nd time because his team hadn’t noticed the “Deflator” text before he was interviewed, but the Patriots lawyers claim that it was agreed in advance that Wells’ team would get one interview with each person. I’ve read a lot on this, and I have never seen Wells dispute that claim.
    ——————-

    The Patriots agreed to a 2nd interview only if Wells came up with new information. Since they had had all of the text messages since long before the initial interview, there was no new information.

    It isn’t the Patriots fault that Wells didn’t do his job.

    Of course, like everything else, they misrepresented it as the Patriots not cooperating.

    ———-

    It’s hard to imagine Wells missed a text with the word “Deflator” in it. I just don’t buy that argument. That page should have had a big red ribbon hanging from the side of it.

    My gut feeling is that Wells was saving that during the initial interview, and was going to use it if he felt he could get an admission from McNally. But he wasn’t feeling it…..and decided instead to use it as a means to get to the non-cooperation charge and be able to speculate on its meaning.

  78. harrisonhits2 says:
    Aug 18, 2015 2:14 PM

    Its not the league per se. Its the human beings who are former NY Jets employees in the league office who loathe the Pats and have serious grudges against them that are doing this.

    ——-

    I was reading some things over the weekend, not only was Kensil with the Jets when Belichick jilted them, but he took Eric Mangini with him to the Pats.

    Then, when Mangini went back to the Jets, he fired Kensil. You can’t make this stuff up.

  79. cornerstone2001 says:
    Aug 18, 2015 1:42 PM

    Riddle me this Batman…….Why would the NFL want to frame their poster boy Brady and thus do damage to themselves?

    ……The responses will be entertaining
    _____________________________
    Really? The reason is really quite simple. The league can’t admit it’s wrong without looking like complete morons. My belief is this. There are certain personnel in the league office that utterly despise the NE patriots. I don’t think anyone had it out for them before the game, but I think that once the Colts made these vengeful league execs aware that the football they intercepted was low on air, those execs immediately assumed that they had caught NE red-handed. Of course, none of them knew that footballs lose pressure in colder conditions. Their misguided beliefs were “proven” correct as they measured ball after ball at halftime. So now these execs believe they finally caught NE doing something wrong, and they go ahead and leak false information in an attempt to create a stir about another cheating scandal. Their goal is to both distract and slander the team as it tries to win another title. Whenever the controversy gains enough steam, Roger Goodell is forced to step in and take control of the situation. His problem is: he cant backtrack without appearing completely incompetent for letting his office behave in such a manner to create this issue. He doesn’t know anything about what happened at this point, so he commissions Wells to figure it out. Wells comes back with nothing, but again, the league can’t appear weak with what is now the biggest sports scandal in history, so they have one of the league’s top lawyers edit the report in such a way that the league can claim guilt. At this point, they’re stuck defending it to the death.

    So it’s not like anyone had designs of destroying Brady. I think the league is stuck because of the actions of Mike Kensil and Troy Vincent that caused this to become a national headline. More or less a perfect storm of ineptitude on the leagues part that forced them to bluff with a crap hand

  80. I guarantee you, Goodell does not want the equipment managers taking the witness stand.

    If the equipment managers had anything to say that would in any way make Brady and the Patriots look worse, it would have been included in the Wells report and they would have been directed to participate in the appeals hearing.

    The fact that neither of these things occurred means that whatever they have to say does not help the NFL’s case, and “more probably than not” makes the NFL’s case worse.

    So I’m keeping my fingers crossed that Judge Berman does order them to take the stand, because I truly believe that would be the final nail in the coffin for the NFL’s case.

  81. Oh Gee…the great and wonderful Tom Camelot is creating all appearances of being innocent, that is when he isn’t destroying evidence. This is Brady’s balancing act. He does enough to fool the NE fan, but not enough to admit the cheating and to get the matter resolved.

  82. I wouldn’t look for Jastremski or McNally. It’s a safe bet that the league office has those two guys locked away in a dungeon under 345 Park Avenue.

    After all, it is the league that doesn’t want those guys to testify under oath.

  83. Enough with this ball boy/deflator witness stuff, the Court only has subpoena power within 100 miles of the Courthouse or within the State it sits in certain instances. The Defaltors are not going to willing testify that they deflated the balls, they have lawyered up and the reason Wells didn’t mention them or does not want them is the fact they have denied the whole thing already. Wells and the NFL won’t call them liars because unlike Brady they are not “public people” so they can sue for defamation.

  84. travlinful says:
    Aug 18, 2015 12:38 PM

    “China’s currency devaluation is raising significant fears of deflation.”

    “Out of habit, Tom Brady denied knowing anything about the deflation and destroyed another cellphone…”
    _______________________________________

    What Goodell, Vincent, Kensil, Wells, et al. have done is shameful. They have smeared the reputation of a great quarterback using lies and innuendos to make up for the dearth of evidence in this case.

    Regardless, funny is still funny. Thanks for the laugh, I needed that.

  85. Just another example of how the NFL is just playing the PR game while Brady is trying to get the truth out.

  86. Mmack, Brady doesn’t want them to testify under oath. Especially since his lawyer said they were free lancing. The NFL would love to have them testify under oath.

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