NFL still not budging from threshold demands in Brady case

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The NFL and NFL Players Association have done plenty of talking in the past week about a potential settlement of the litigation arising from the Tom Brady suspension. But they’ve made no progress.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the league continues to insist that Brady and the NFL Players Association agree to a laundry list of concessions regarding the Ted Wells report and the NFL’s authority to suspend Brady and other players for conduct detrimental to the league and obstructing a league investigation. And Brady and the NFLPA continue to refuse to agree to those terms.

It’s unknown whether the two sides could work out a deal based on a reduced suspension because the NFL won’t even consider shrinking the suspension until Brady and the NFLPA agree to the threshold demands.

In a deadline-driven business, none of this means the NFL will refuse to relent on Wednesday, when the two sides return to court for a settlement conference and additional oral argument regarding the merits of the pending lawsuit challenging the suspension as Judge Richard M. Berman prepares to bang the gavel and issue a ruling. But with Brady deciding to attend and then changing his mind, it doesn’t look good.

Absent a settlement, a ruling from Judge Berman won’t end the case. If it’s a clear win for one side, it’ll be a clear loss for the other — and then an appeal to a higher court. Judge Berman also could decide to fashion a lose-lose ruling that forces the two parties to re-do the appeal hearing.

133 responses to “NFL still not budging from threshold demands in Brady case

  1. In other news:

    Robert Kraft is suing himself to get back the lost draft picks and $1,000,000.

    He will contend that, although he read the Wells report and talked to the ball boys and Tom Brady, he did not realize that Pat fans were such good lawyers. So he wants the old Robert Kraft judgement thrown out and replaced by a new judgement as rendered by Pat fans.

    Instead of going to a federal court, he wants the trial to be held on the PFT website.
    And by golly, I think he would win.

  2. Zero games, no fine, rescind the Patriots’ fine and draft picks and a public apology. Free Brady NOW!

  3. Dang, a troll got here first and made the first comment.

    Alright everybody, time to go home. The comments for this article aren’t worth it anymore. Oh well.

  4. It has been clear since the Patriots and Brady first attacked the Wells report, that this was a witch hunt and Brady will never admit to being part of a conspiracy, as the evidence suggests no such conspiracy existed.

    Hopefully the Judge will see Goodell for what he is, a liar who wants to show his power by punishing an innocent man to appease some of the owners who resent the success of the Patriots.

  5. It’s like the league wants Brady to admit to false accusations to justify spending the 5 mil on a bogus investigation so they won’t look bad.

  6. onlysane1intheroom says:
    Aug 18, 2015 8:15 PM
    Zero games, no fine, rescind the Patriots’ fine and draft picks and a public apology. Free Brady NOW!
    —————————————-

    LOL! Their looking for justice, not lunacy.

  7. It’s beginning to feel as if the league knows they have this round, based on procedure, in their back pocket, and the rest of this is a dog and pony show. Brady should be readying for his appeal, hoping for an injunction.

  8. -Shady went Hillary Clinton on his phone

    -Shady’s press conference worse than Baghdad Bob

    -The Deflator’s incriminating texts

    The Deflatriots and Shady are serial cheaters.

    Deal with it chowds, we all know the struggle is real for you. ****

  9. NFL still not budging from threshold demands in Brady case

    Another way to say that is “Brady still refusing to admit he failed to cooperate with the investigation”.

    There’s always two sides Mr. Florio

  10. The league is holding firm because they know Belichick is behind this and if Brady wants to take the fall for his coach, who would be kick out the league if he is caught cheating again, then he will have to live with his reputation being ruined…..hold firm league then fire Goodell when its all over to clean the stench off the shield….

  11. atthemurph says:
    Aug 18, 2015 8:13 PM
    The league needs to stand tough or their authority will be diminished forever.

    The cheater must pay!

    ———–

    The league can stand tough forever but they still might lose anyway.

  12. Brady is Guilty.
    The team is guilty………AGAIN.
    Kraft is Guilty and condones these forms of cheating and assaulting the integrity of the game….AGAIN.

    Goodell has the authority under the CBA to punish Brady with the 4 game sitdown.

  13. Interesting how important it is to the NFL to have Brady accept the Wells report. They realize that if he doesn’t, there is going to be a suit against Wells and the NFL that will lance the boil of Park Avenue and reveal all the purulence within.

    And incidentally, possibly net Brady far more than he would make as a football player for the rest of his career.

    Looking at “irreducible demands” usually tells you where you should kick if you’re looking for the opponent’s crotch.

  14. “Dang, a troll got here first and made the first comment.

    Alright everybody, time to go home. The comments for this article aren’t worth it anymore. Oh well.”

    But look at all of his support. Then only thing he has going for him is that he is too stupid to realize he is a loser.

  15. Good. Teach the cheaters a lesson.

    Yeah Goodell is a joke – but there’s no way in hell Brady didn’t condone let alone instruct those 2 clowns to deflate game balls.

    Everybody agrees – yet nobody wants to crackdown.

    Goodell is fighting the good fight, for once.

  16. They really are pinning their hopes to the whole “IT DOESNT MATTER IF WE FRAMED HIM AND MANIPULATED THE PR TO SUPPORT OUR AGENDA, ARTICLE 46!”

    They may be in for a rude awakening, the fact that 66 out of 68 cases in that circuit have ruled in favor of CBAs and Management over labor doesn’t change the fact that likely none of those cases were close to as clear cut a hack job like this one was. Or that this case was probably the ONLY one where the management pre emptively filed suit to “confirm” their ruling, as opposed to the labor appealing.

    Side note: Do the haters really believe that all the thumbs down on anti NE comments are just Pats fans? It is overwhelmingly in favor of NE supporters on articles like this and there are WAY more fans of other teams combined than there are of the Pats. Just wake up, already.

  17. I can’t imagine the judge is thrilled with the NFL ignoring his orders to smarten up and admit they overstepped their bounds.
    As a Pats fan, I applaud the NFL not budging on their stance, despite the judge mocking their “case” against Brady.
    If the CBA is so strong that it holds up with no tangible evidence, with documented and verified lies from Goodell and Vincent, and an investigation that the NFL swore was independent yet was edited by Pash and had Loren Reisner represent the NFL in the appeal process overseen by goodell……..then that is quite something. So much for basic worker rights. While I think the NFLPA has a strong case based on many, many points, still not sure which way it will go. I still go back to there being no notice of such a violation in the CBA, other than it being a team equipment violation. Goodell insists the CBA allows him to do absolutely anything he wants related to punishment.

  18. lesterclan says:
    Aug 18, 2015 8:23 PM
    NFL still not budging from threshold demands in Brady case

    Another way to say that is “Brady still refusing to admit he failed to cooperate with the investigation”.

    There’s always two sides Mr. Florio
    ——————————————————————-

    There’s always an obvious sign of an ignorant blow hard who doesn’t bother to keep up with facts before typing too, mr. lesterclan.

    IE, you seem to have missed Brady and Kessler admitted to that during the initial hearing with Judge Berman. Last week. Headlines and such, but, who can bother to read before typing right?

  19. jvw1982 says:
    Aug 18, 2015 8:24 PM
    The league is holding firm because they know Belichick is behind this and if Brady wants to take the fall for his coach, who would be kick out the league if he is caught cheating again, then he will have to live with his reputation being ruined…..hold firm league then fire Goodell when its all over to clean the stench off the shield….

    ——–

    All Belichick’s texts and emails were reviewed and he was exonerated. Wells would have gladly implicated him if it was possible given the slim evidence they used to implicate Brady. There was nothing.

    Sitting around making up conspiracy fantasies isn’t good for you. Men did land on the moon btw.

  20. Good, let the inept office of overpaid bell boys for the spoiled rotten eggs (Irsay, Biscotti, Jones etc) get it handed to them by an OFFICIAL Judgment based on the FACTS & the CBA.

    NFL claims to be better built then the Titanic and it has been taking on water for the past two weeks and more holes opening up everyday. So, for now, they still think they are unsinkable.

    LMAO

  21. You haters have no clue. The NFL is trying to establish as precedent a “generally aware” standard for punishment and unrestricted power for the commissioner to suspend players as he sees fit. You think this is only about Brady and are happy to swallow that narrative. That is narrow minded and short term thinking.

    This power play is about the NFL league office enshrining in the law NFLPA player’s limited access to fair treatment (under the CBA) and due process under US labor law.

    I am inclined to believe, and I hope, that Berman will not allow the NFL to use his court for these nefarious purposes. You should all look past the hate and hope he does as well. Next time it will be your team that suffers.

  22. Is there anyone with a brain who really believes Godell passed the reasonable criteria in concluding that Brady was part of a conspiracy to deflate the footballs in the AFCCG?

    I just don’t see it, especially since in the last hearing they admitted they had no evidence.

    Article 46 has only one thing that keeps Godell from tyranny and that is the reasonable hurdle.

    Wish florio would expound on that

  23. So the NFL’S brief to judge Bergman last Friday argues that the Wells report is irrelevant and Goodell has final say, but any deal with Brady must include Brady validating it.

    Lots of logic there

  24. trollaikman8 says:
    Aug 18, 2015 8:28 PM
    Good. Teach the cheaters a lesson.

    Yeah Goodell is a joke – but there’s no way in hell Brady didn’t condone let alone instruct those 2 clowns to deflate game balls.

    Everybody agrees – yet nobody wants to crackdown.

    Goodell is fighting the good fight, for once.

    ———

    “No way in hell” isn’t proof.

  25. Then it’ll come down to Judge Berman and what he thinks of the NFL’s on a wing and a prayer legal argument that the CBA is worded such that it allows Goodell to ignore the CBA.

  26. Definitely can tell that almost all of the comments were written by misguided Patriot fans. Just look objectively at the suspicious pattern of behavior. Just to refresh your blind shortsightedness – suspicion for years that Tom has had ball deflated to his liking, texts to people he claims to not know, gifts to those same ball boys, balls 2 lbs below the minimum, the mysteriously cold weather that only acted on the Patriot balls, the inspected balls taken to the crapper, more texts from the equipment dudes which is doesn’t know, acting like a pompous but to the investigators, destroying relevant evidence. Strutting his money and supposedly big-time lawyers. Please give the intelligent people that live west a Boston a break. You guys whine like a bunch of cry brady’s.

  27. The NFL has put together a solid case against Brady. They have based their case on what was presented to them by the Wells Report and Tom’s appeal. There are no holes in the case, based on the burden of proof. Tom only had his word and unfortunately for him, his word and credibility was destroyed by him, his agent and JM and JJ. He will never man up or move on. He will play victim longer than Lance Armstrong.

  28. I respect Tom Brady for being one of the best QBs ever with little to work within the WR department. You are right, Goodell needs to go!!!!! BUT, you Patriot fans need to be drug tested if you think that NOTHING HAPPENED??? Touchdown Tommy didn’t stick the needle in the balls. You can bet the poor scape goat equipment guys didn’t do it on their own?? That’s right they were not made available to be interviewed because the were fired for not doing anything wrong????? Stop Already!!!!

  29. I’m sorry, but Brady lost all of my support once that I found out that he purposely destroyed his cell phone. Only guilty people purposely destroy evidence.

    I hope the NFL doesn’t give an inch to this cheating cry baby.

  30. Judge Berman will not only vacate Goodell’s decision based on the law, he will absolutely trash the NFL’s malfeasance in this entire matter. The 2nd Circuit will not reverse. A total victory for the NFLPA and Brady is near.

  31. ReligionIsForIdiots says:
    Aug 18, 2015 8:43 PM

    Give him the PETE ROSE GOODELL!!!!
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The Federal Prosecutor who investigated and prosecuted Pete Rose came on NATIONAL TV and said that the NFL is committing an egregious SHAM & SCANDAL against Brady. He also said, agreeing with Judge Berman, the NFL has proved NOTHING against Brady.

    LMAO

  32. .
    Lost in the smokescreen of psi, cellphones, and dorito dink texts lies the real reason Goodell and his lackeys are willing to go to the wall over this :

    With unlimited power, the NFL offices can control the outcome of any game through suspensions. Bet heavily against Seattle on Monday. Suspend Russell Wilson on Tuesday. It’s just that easy.
    .

  33. I802, the Wells Report found that Brady was generally aware. In Goodell’s final ruling, he found that Brady was aware and approved of it. Remember, those text messages were not challengedeflated by Brady. He refused to have JM or JJ at his hearing. Based on those texts, Goodell made his ruling that he did know and approved. Not to mention to the fact that Brady lied about key factors in the case.

  34. Goodell is like one of those 5 year olds that thinks if he just repeats the same story he’ll eventually convince you somehow.

    “Why did you lie about 11 of the 12 Patriots balls, just to force them to try to explain something that never happened?”
    “I didn’t!”
    “We saw you.”
    “But I didn’t!”
    “Why are you lying?”
    “I’m not!”

    Etc. forever.

  35. The fact that the League is trying to wrangle concessions from the NFLPA and not just Brady, should have the fans of EVERY team worried.

    Goodell is attempting to cement his ability to punish any player or team as he sees fit, without having to present any tangible evidence.

    It may be about Brady and the Patriots now, but it could just as easily be YOUR team or star player next time.

  36. pittguy122 says:
    Aug 18, 2015 8:39 PM

    I respect Tom Brady for being one of the best QBs ever with little to work within the WR department. You are right, Goodell needs to go!!!!! BUT, you Patriot fans need to be drug tested if you think that NOTHING HAPPENED???
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I see you have not UNBIASEDLY investigated this SCANDAL as many of us have from the very beginning.
    UPDATE for you = SCIENCE says = DEFLATION by COLD WEATHER/NATURE/PHYSICS

    Oh, and by the way, Aaron Rodgers likes his footballs at 14.0 psi, which is a NFL Rule 17 violation. Rodgers said on TV he hopes the footballs gets past the Refs at 14.0 psi and wishes they would leave the footballs alone.

  37. The only thing Goodell is doing is sucking up to the few owners who hate the Patriots hoping he can keep his job.

    The mess this investigation the lack of any real evidence, the fact he misled to the point of lying, demanding Brady commits perjury is asinine. I hope that no player shakes his hand again an none of next years draft class shows up to his made for TV skeptical.

  38. Now it is clear why the other 31 team owners were behind this – this has effectively evolved into a union-busting action. Crippling Tom Brady by making him cry “uncle” just to get to the negotiating table is out of the old corporate playbook used by the early 19th century corporate masters.

    This isn’t about the integrity of the game itself, it is about the integrity of keeping control of the highly-paid serfs and not letting them jeopardize the money train. And about Caesar keeping control and serving the stupid masses what their bloodlust demands.

    The deliberate misinformation is just chum in the Brady/Patriots “cheater” waters to keep you distracted from what’s really going. Not too dissimilar from what the media does to politics – keep you dumb and spending your money.

  39. Maybe Tommy should worry about the divorce that is on the cover of a magazine in the store today. That’s probably more important than deflategate, and his lying.

  40. Does Goodell realize that whether Brady “did it or not” no longer matters here? Judge Berman is ruling on whether Brady can be suspended for this under the assumption that he DID do it!

    So while the league is trying to salvage their catastrophic Wells Report, the NFLPA continues to highlight the plethora of elements that led up to Goodell’s Kangaroo Court appeal hearing in June. Hoping Judge Berman embarrasses the league for the second week in a row tomorrow.

  41. Just a wild guess but something tells me that the Commissioner’s ability to discipline players will come up in the next CBA negotiation.

  42. Man, from looking at the comments/reactions on this chain it is clear that the only ones that really even care about this any more are Pats fans – every single pro-Brady comment has nearly 4 to 1 thumbs up and every single anti-Brady comment has a 4 to 1 thumbs down… Gonna be a lot of people crying in their chowder when Brady loses.

  43. I am sure that the league realizes the following fact, but I wonder if most fans do:

    The more steadfast the league is about sticking to its guns, the MORE likely it is that Brady plays this year.

    As long as this thing is in litigation, there is no way the courts will allow the league to carry out its intended penalties against Brady. So if this stretches out beyond the start of the season, the court will 100% no doubt issue an injunction preventing the league from suspending Brady until the all appeals are decided.

    So to summarize: If the Brady wins and the league appeals, he plays opening day 2015. If the league wins and Brady appeals, he plays opening day 2015. The ONLY way Brady will be suspended for any games THIS season is if the case is settled and Brady accepts a suspension.

  44. limakey says:

    Aug 18, 2015 8:55 PM

    I802, the Wells Report found that Brady was generally aware. In Goodell’s final ruling, he found that Brady was aware and approved of it. Remember, those text messages were not challengedeflated by Brady. He refused to have JM or JJ at his hearing. Based on those texts, Goodell made his ruling that he did know and approved. Not to mention to the fact that Brady lied about key factors in the case

    ———————————————

    Brady was given written notice (posted by Adam Schefter) that he’d only have 4 hrs to present his case at the appeal. Why bring in the ball boys if they’ve already denied anything happened to Wells and it was rejected?

    Goodell actually upped the charges after the appeal claiming Brady was more than just generally aware.

    Please share with us all one “key factor in the case” Brady has lied about? You will struggle because there isn’t one. But there are plenty of things the NFL has lied about that have been proven.

  45. I love how the court reporter has 20 offers for her drawing and the haters still argue that Brady should have given the NFL his phone.

    Can you haters follow the bouncing ball ?

  46. If there is a single person that thinks that Brady can’t tell the difference between an under inflated ball and a properly inflated ball then I have some ocean front property in Colorado I would love too sell you. He is guilty. Where is all the delusional denial coming from?

  47. Now I understand why the other 31 teams are in support of Caesar Goodell and his Inquisition – they want total control over their unruly and highly paid serfs. If they get out of line, they get punished – no questions allowed!

    Caesar Goodell is protecting the integrity of the game – if just isn’t the integrity of football they are concerned with. It is the integrity of Pope Caesar and his Cardinals to extract alms from the masses.

    The man on the high pulpit throws out teasing bits of chum into the waters teaming with haters of Brady and the Patriots to frenzy them up and distract them from the issues that matter. Just like our political parties.

    The stupefied fandom goes along for the ride willingly. Come over here please, look that way while I empty your pockets. Come back next week!

  48. Let’s be honest, this whole mess would have been over long ago (and without any suspensions) if Brady kept a “low profile”. He decided to pull the “Rafael Palmeiro/Roger Clemens” holier than thou tone. Pride falls before destruction and Tom just couldn’t get his ego out of the way. Nobody really cares about the psi’s in the football (sorry Colts fans), Brady should have just shut up from the beginning and said “I like the footballs under inflated, so what. I’m sorry, it won’t happen again” and we move on. Or if he truly was innocent, than say “I didn’t do anything, go talk to the locker room boys”. Either way, this would have been over, fading from our memories, and all of us could enjoy the freakin’ football season.

  49. Brady’s not going to accept any suspension, and Goodell doesn’t want to reduce it to a fine, so there isn’t any use in negotiating. Besides, lawyers on both sides would like to see this thing drag on, and the owners are happy as long as Brady is playing in hi-profile games.

    This is just the league patronizing the commissioner while the court does the NFL’s dirty work.. It doesn’t hurt anybody if the judge tells Goodell he was wrong again, and they can go back to screwing up just like they have been doing for the last decade.

  50. I’m a bit puzzled that the article states that Brady changed his mind. It was posted earlier today from various sources that Berman advised Brady he did not need to appear, based on the (lack of) progress of the settlement talks heading into this hearing.

    Is this the double-secret probation test? Deliberately tell him he need not be here, then penalize him for not showing?

  51. If what Brady is alledged to have done in the AFCCG is so egregious, why did they they let the teams play with the tainted balls?

    Because the judge is RIGHT!!! It means nothing! It didn’t affect the competitive balance.

  52. Tommy girl is a cheater and liar ,deal with the 4 games little girl and move on ,and for you so called Patriot fans you must be feeling pretty proud of your team to cheat there way into Super Bowls ,trying winning one without cheating to make it that far .
    Case closed cheaters ,liars
    Ahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahhah

  53. Exactly how much money has the Kraft Foundation spent on NBC SPORTS reporting recently? All this Brady bro-luv reporting must be adding up to quit a large invoice billed to his check book.

    No matter, being rich cant fix everything…which will be seen soon enough. Justice will prevail. See you in week 5 Shady!

  54. “Zero games, no fine, rescind the Patriots’ fine and draft picks and a public apology. Free Brady NOW!”

    Or what? You’ll continue to live with a bizarre sense of entitlement based solely on the accomplishments of two people who aren’t you?

    Nah, we’re good with cheaters being punished.

  55. The NFL isn’t GOING to budge on those threshold demands, and I don’t blame them The fact is, NEITHER do any fans, even the Brady backers. It is the ability of the Commissioner to suspend players for detriment to the game or for the integrity of the game that allows suspensions for the kid beaters, women beaters, etc… . How you think Adrian Peterson was suspended? Ray Rice? (his suspension was reduced only because they suspended him twice for the same offense when they realized 2 games was insignificant) The fans LIKE those decisions, but want to take away the ability to do that. Hypocrites.
    S, let Goodell surrender and when the next violent situation happens and NOTHING is done, remember, you wanted it.

  56. Oh Tom, be brave my beautiful handsome! Be strong! You are America’s Champion, our stud, our noble knight. You must win, you must!! And cheating is ok Tom…………………….we understand.

  57. Goodell wants Brady to acquiesce to that sham Wells report and to expand his power to legitimize his actions that were not allowed under the CBA. If he wants these new rules, clearly he did not have them when he dealt rulings against Brady. He is trying to grind Brady to dust but Brady refuses to indulge him.
    What is Deflategate all about? Goodell just keep on confusing the real issue because he has nothing against Brady. Brady did not ask the ball boys to under inflate the balls during the Colts game. That is the core issue. That is the case against the Patriots and Brady. The text between the ball boys before the season opened is irrelevant.Wells did not want the phone and he does not have the right to demand it.
    Who is the liar in all this drama? Brady or Goodell? Goodell is the documented liar.
    Haters will hate. Doesn’t matter… Brady will march on and win some more.. Enjoy your misery folks..

  58. So I suppose Goodell should ask EVERY player in the league for their phones to get access to texts and emails to see if there is anything detrimental to the league…FIRE THE IDIOT!

  59. Hopefully the Judge will order Brady to play the entire season with nothing but sixth round scrubs like himself for an offensive line. That would be a joy to watch!

    Goodell has the authority to do just as he has been with this case. The whining, cash poor players gave him this power when they signed the CBA. I have no sympthy for any of them, especially the cheating Patriots & Brady.

  60. Based on the intelligence of the trolls, its no wonder their teams never win…They can’t even see that by supporting Goodell they are setting up their own teams for failure. Imagine its the Playoffs and Goodell doesn’t like the matchup because it won’t be a ratings winner…He pulls Wells out of his back pocket and tada! your star player is suspended based on no evidence, and your season is over….integrity of the game my arse…

  61. Not a Pats or Brady fan

    Do wish we could have football without the NFL office and goodell

    Please fire goodell

  62. After all the facts that have come out…

    Goodell’s demand is

    RIDICOUS !!!

    Hard to understand 30 owners plus the packers backing this position.

    If the owners want rule 46 thrown out as

    UNCONSTITUTIONAL

    they certainly are going about it the right way.

    I see a DISASTER just waiting for court judgment.

    The legal consultants available to this owners that would encourage them to “stand firm” backing Goodell on this mess is unbelievable.

  63. I’m just disgusted with Kraft. Ever since Goodell destroyed the spygate tapes, he has been Rodger’s #1 cheerleader when investigations were not the focus of his team.

  64. It has been other teams. Coach for the saints suspended a whole year for something the assistant coach even said Sean Payton knew nothing about . Ben R. Never arrested and suspended. So its obvious proof is not mandatory. NFL players have won in the past but nothing has changed. Who knows maybe this will change things? History hasn’t shown it to be true. It’s gonna be a tough CBA negotiation on the next go around for sure.

  65. tbradysgay says:
    Aug 18, 2015 8:58 PM

    Can’t win one game with carapollo
    ———
    After brady, Im trying to come up with one AFCE QB i’d take over ‘carapollo’………. I’m coming up with nothing, how about you?

  66. I can’t imagine the sting the NFL front office (Troy Vincent, Mike Kinsil especially) felt when Brady led that comeback in the Super Bowl and then the joy they must have had when the Hawks got down to the 1/2 yard line and then the absolute nightmare they went through when Malcom Butler picked off that pass. That is sad but true.

  67. Looks like Brady is playing week one. Paper witch hunt couldn’t stand up. Judge sees it for what it is. starting to see a lot more haters on these sights, they feel the suspension slipping away and are getting very frustrated. Looks like Pats are still doing their jobs and doing it better than you and your team. Going to be a frustrating year for you…… Good times

  68. If the laundry list of concessions is correct, what Goodell is saying is: “Kiss my foot and then we’ll talk”. It’s hard to spin that as a good-faith effort to negotiate.

    Other than the nitwits who scream repeatedly that Brady cheats, it’s hard to imagine anyone seeing Goodell’s arrogant insistence on having it all as an attempt to reach a settlement.

  69. Wisconsin77 says:
    Aug 18, 2015 8:44 PM
    I’m sorry, but Brady lost all of my support once that I found out that he purposely destroyed his cell phone. Only guilty people purposely destroy evidence.

    I see you take the NFL’s story at face value. When will people ever learn?

    There are two stories. One is that “Brady destroyed it.” The other, from Brady, is that the phone was damaged, so he replaced it. Given that Brady is the source of the story to the NFL, seems weird to me that you would accept at face value their re-writing of his story.

    Shall we revisit the big lie Goodell told about Brady not discussing the investigation with Jastremski? That big lie is from the same document that you trust when it comes to Brady’s phone. How many Goodell lies must be exposed before you stop taking his word?

    I don’t know which story is true. But I’m not jumping to conclusions. I do know that only one of the two sides has repeatedly been exposed as lying. And it’s not the one that has the instant access to ESPN whenever they want it.

    BTW, Brady told Wells back in March that Wells was not going to see the phone or any messages from it. I’m not seeing exactly what changed in June. Did the revelation that the phone was destroyed somehow constitute extra “failure to cooperate” over simply refusing access to the phone or the messages?

    Let’s be honest here. The NFL wanted something to punish. The phone is a red herring. The NFL already had the messages they needed from the phone. Brady had no requirement to give anybody the phone. And pretending that not turning over the phone justifies a suspension requires one to ignore the CBA and a number of precedents in recent cases in which the NFL lost.

  70. limakey says:
    Aug 18, 2015 8:55 PM
    I802, the Wells Report found that Brady was generally aware.

    That’s a stretch of the word “found”

    In Goodell’s final ruling, he found that Brady was aware and approved of it. Remember, those text messages were not challengedeflated by Brady.
    —-

    The existence of the messages wasn’t challenged. Ted Wells’ interpretation has been challenged, by all parties involved. Wells didn’t include any statements by these people in his report.

    —-

    He refused to have JM or JJ at his hearing. Based on those texts, Goodell made his ruling that he did know and approved. Not to mention to the fact that Brady lied about key factors in the case.

    You’ve got your history backward. The hearing wasn’t a trial. Goodell made his judgment first, and then the hearing was about Brady making a counter-argument. Bringing in JJ and JM to testify, again, to say exactly the same thing again doesn’t constitute new information to Goodell. What purpose would have been served by bringing them in to say exactly the same thing?

    Goodell asked Brady to bring in new information. He did. He brought more records regarding the phone and brought in a good amount of scientific testimony to rebut the Exponent report.

    Your argument seems to be that Brady’s failure to bring in witnesses to say exactly the same thing that was already part of the record constitutes a failure on Brady’s part.

    I don’t think you’re understanding that this was an appeal.

    Oh, and Brady hasn’t lied about anything. “Brady claimed he didn’t know the ball boys.”

    At some point you’re going to have to do the work yourself and understand why you’re just wrong. It’s been explained in the space literally hundreds of times.

    The fact that Brady didn’t recognize the name “James McNally” doesn’t mean he was lying about whether he sent text messages to John Jastremski. That this has been explained so many times makes me thing that the haters are being deliberately obtuse when they keep repeating the same arguments, over and over.

  71. so…. as soon as Brady agrees to the Wells Report… the NFL goes “AHA!!! We got ya now! 4 more games!”

  72. So all I have to do to play professional football is play the game and if I can sneak around and Cheat by altering the equipment used in the game to MY advantage, I should Not be worried about getting caught and penalized because all I have to do is spend big money and have my attorneys take my objection to a Federal Court and try to get a Federal Judge with a lot of spare time on his hands to Over Turn my penalties. Brady being worth over $400 million can get the best lawyers and continue to violate NFL rules and regulations that may give him an edge when Cheating to win a championship at any level. He does not have to worry, just take it to a Federal Judge and all will be good as Brady planned.

  73. So, basically Brady’s not allowed to leave the dungeon until he admits that Emperor Goodell’s new invisible robe is beautiful?

  74. NFL already looks like a. Imports and utter joke from this. But it was offseason. Many didn’t see. Now they’re going to parade their incompetence in front of the world for this season. Hope Its a huge embarrassing fiasco for them. It’s well deserved.

  75. daytontriangles says:
    Aug 18, 2015 9:00 PM
    The fact that the League is trying to wrangle concessions from the NFLPA and not just Brady, should have the fans of EVERY team worried.

    Goodell is attempting to cement his ability to punish any player or team as he sees fit, without having to present any tangible evidence.

    It may be about Brady and the Patriots now, but it could just as easily be YOUR team or star player next time.

    VERY VERY TRUE…ALL NFL FANS SHOULD BE WORRIED HERE.

    Goodell resembles the President of North Korea, and wants that type of power.

    This whole thing is ….sick

  76. Wisconsin77 says:
    Aug 18, 2015 8:44 PM

    I’m sorry, but Brady lost all of my support once that I found out that he purposely destroyed his cell phone. Only guilty people purposely destroy evidence.

    I hope the NFL doesn’t give an inch to this cheating cry baby.
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    He was told they did not need his actual phone, just the records, not to mention that the CBA does not require a player to give up his personal cell phone to the league.

  77. I like how the NFL was willing to spend 5 million on a report they coauthored but having three interns take the, maybe, three hours on a week day afternoon to track down the 28 numbers Brady volunteered was too much trouble. Not that this exonerates Brady, but c’mon. Be smart and realize this stopped being about the PSI stuff and turned into a Goodell power grab weeks, if not, months ago. If you’re OK with Rogey getting all that he wants, well I hope your favorite team is next.

  78. You could have also titled this story “Brady and NFLPA refuse to budge from demands that would allow reduction of suspension”. It seems to me that the only compromises are being offered by the NFL, to actually reduce the punishment that hurts, which is the suspension of being able to actually play in the games. Seems like Brady won’t agree to anything unless he gets his way. Baby cheater.

  79. Got to love the Patriot fan base, these are the same clowns that formed an internet kickstarter type fund to help Kraft pay his fine. Kraft is a billionaire, that’s with a “B” so I’m sure the fine had the same effect as you or I losing a couple of dimes in the living room couch.

    To help offset Brady’s fine, the poor equipment guy that was fired (help explain that to me, why was he fired if there was no cheating?) should launch a Deflator diet book. I mean he got his nickname because he was so successful in his diet you would think the book would be a smashing success.

  80. I now understand how the Saints fans must have felt during the “Bountygate” broohaha. This is not the first time Goodell has pulled something like this and it won’t be the last.

  81. The fact that the League is trying to wrangle concessions from the NFLPA and not just Brady, should have the fans of EVERY team worried.

    Goodell is attempting to cement his ability to punish any player or team as he sees fit, without having to present any tangible evidence.

    It may be about Brady and the Patriots now, but it could just as easily be YOUR team or star player next time.
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    Goodell has this authority because the NFLPA gave it to him in the CBA in exchange for more money for players – Now they have to live with it. It’s only about Brady for this long because he can’t seem to put his big boy pants on and accept his punishment.

  82. NFL doesn’t get it. You can’t cite the CBA if you can’t prove anything was done wrong. It’s ridiculous to think you can exercise your power because you “just think so”

  83. Not to mention to the fact that Brady lied about key factors in the case.
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    The only one caught lying is Goodell. They have 100% proof documented in his testimony.

  84. NFL must stand tough otherwise every player who gets into trouble will destroy their phone and say’ “where’s the evidence.”

  85. Wonder what lies the NFL will tell in court today and what we can laugh at them for today as well.

    I bet they will claim they didnt know what a pressure gauge was

    They will also claim DunceDell doesnt have to tell the truth if he were to be forced to testify under oath because he has to uphold the integrity of the NFL.

  86. The Pats and Brady cheated and they got caught. They thought they could cheat and not get caught. Unfortunately for them they got caught red handed. Now it’s time to pay the price for cheating and accept the consequences. It’s not like it’s their FIRST offense. The Pats are repeat offenders. They have been caught cheating repeatedly. You can’t just let them keep cheating and getting away with it. The Patriots are known for cheating. Everyone knows they never play fair and they are labeled as cheaters by everyone in America.
    That’s why I don’t respect or think of them as champions, they never won anything without cheating.
    If the NFL wants to protect the integrity of the game they have to stand pat on the penalty. If they let Brady off the hook then everyone will look at the league as being weak and a joke. The NFL has to keep their stance and protect the integrity of the game.

  87. The NFL should look at how Major League baseball operates. MLB doesn’t just slap the offender on the wrist. If you cheat in baseball the consequences are severe. Take Arod of the Yankees. He didn’t get a slap on the wrist. He was banned for an ENTIRE YEAR! Brady’s complaining about a slap on the wrist. Four games is a joke. He should have been suspended for a whole season.

  88. Everyone on both sides of this issue should be able to agree on one thing: the Wells report is not a “independent” document, and it’s lame “more probable than not” conclusion in which they eliminated any testimony that didn’t back the NFL’s position (just like all of Wells’ reports prior) is unacceptable in this case. Wells has rightfully been embarrassed as his 5 million dollar bag job has been exposed for it’s amateurish incompetent “findings”, and he should clearly be banned from future cases where the NFL seeks a true independent investigation.

    Because of it’s predetermined, flimsy conclusion, and the fact that the NFL has been responsible for more false leaks than a 55 year old man on Flomax, that should be more than enough for Judge “I’m having a hard time seeing any evidence here” Berman, but, history has shown in will be very difficult for this case to be overturned.

    Make no mistake though: The NFL wants the Patriots to pay for this inconsequential “finding” and they’d rather have Belichick’s head on a platter than Brady. Brady is the fall guy, and his name is permanently smeared. That is the biggest crime by the NFL in all of this. He’s no different than any other QB who wants the ball the way he likes it and it measurements show that it was WITHIN THE ACCEPTABLE RANGE. They ALL do the same thing to one degree or another, and they also are all laughing at the fans who compare Brady to OJ and Lance Armstrong, not just because that’s insane, but because those nuts all have agendas against the Pats bigger than the piles of loses they’ve been handed over the last 15 years.

    Brady will never accept the sham findings of the Wells report, and neither would you if you were in the same position.

  89. I think the NFL is going a great job. Brady and the Patriots are having their reputations dragged through the mud. Sure, Pat fans and a few media members who want to be looked at favorably by the NFLPA are taking his side, but the majority of NFL fans and casual viewers will now associate Brady with cheating whenever they hear his name. The idea that this is a witch hunt is silly. The NFL have always loved the Patriots and Kraft. This is just a case where the spoiled child isn’t getting their way for once.

    If nothing else these guys will think twice about cheating in the future and that is the most important result of this debacle. Tom Brady may be the best quarterback this league has ever seen. To get mixed up in this nonsense on any level was uneccessary and foolish.

  90. Will Judge Berman rubber stamp the NFL’s position that that it can lie, leak, frame, smear, and extort four game checks from a player they have no direct evidence did a “crime” that they have no evidence even happened?

  91. The number of posters willing to print false statements about Brady while calling for harsh punishment should make all us concerned with an ability to get a fear hearing if and when we are charged with a crime we didn’t do.

  92. marianfl24 says:
    Aug 19, 2015 8:04 AM

    Goodell has this authority because the NFLPA gave it to him in the CBA in exchange for more money for players – Now they have to live with it. It’s only about Brady for this long because he can’t seem to put his big boy pants on and accept his punishment.
    _______________________________________

    With authority comes responsibility. Giving Goodell the authority to discipline players doesn’t relieve him of the responsibility to act in a fair and just manner.

  93. tigerlilac says:
    Aug 19, 2015 9:21 AM

    The number of posters willing to print false statements about Brady while calling for harsh punishment should make all us concerned with an ability to get a fear hearing if and when we are charged with a crime we didn’t do.

    – Signed Aaron Hernandez

    Another great Patri*t

    Cheers

  94. The NFL should look at how Major League baseball operates. MLB doesn’t just slap the offender on the wrist. If you cheat in baseball the consequences are severe. Take Arod of the Yankees. He didn’t get a slap on the wrist. He was banned for an ENTIRE YEAR! Brady’s complaining about a slap on the wrist. Four games is a joke. He should have been suspended for a whole season.

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    Please… deflating a football a lot closer to a pitcher using sunscreen and rosin to get a better grip than it is to using PED’s. Will Smith got eight games for that, basically two starts.
    It should also be noted that there was clear, direct evidence in the cases of A-Rod and Smith. There is no evidence implicating Brady, as Judge Berman noted.

  95. Roger Goodell has been on a loosing streak ever since the Ray Rice incident with actions that NFLPA have filed, it seems that it is about time for the owners to start feeling some embarrassment for the leagues blunders and curtail Rogers violations of players rights, Roger keep insisting that the CBA gives him the authority for his tyrannical transgressions, when everyone knows hat rule of law is always the determining factor. The backbone of the rule of law is fundamental fairness which supersedes any negotiated CBA. Judge Berman keeps trying to tell this to the league in a round about way as he makes inquiries, but the league still doesn’t get it, results great game tarnished league image

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