Why would Judge Berman go over Goodell’s head?

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The news last night that Giants co-owner John Mara declined to get involved in the Tom Brady settlement discussions arises from a potentially intriguing reality. With the request for Mara’s involvement coming from the court, why would Judge Richard M. Berman be going over Commissioner Roger Goodell’s head?

On one hand, the explanation could be that Judge Berman has become exasperated with the NFL’s stubbornness regarding settlement. Earlier this week, the league was still insisting on the NFL Players Association and Brady agreeing to accept the major findings of the Ted Wells report and acknowledging the powers used in this case before even commencing a discussion regarding a reduced suspension.

On the other hand, Judge Berman may sense that Goodell believes the best way to manage his 32 constituents is to hold firm, so that none of the hard liners can blame him for wavering on an important matter of management’s power over the work force. If that’s the case, it makes sense to get Goodell’s constituents involved.

The NFL Management Council Executive Committee was directly involved in the negotiations that culminated in the current Collective Bargaining Agreement, which makes the request to involve Mara seem reasonable. Also involved was Packers CEO Mark Murphy, who on Thursday advocated settlement.

“It is not good having it play out in court, and you got the Super Bowl MVP suing the league,” Murphy said, via Daniel Kaplan of SportsBusiness Journal. (Actually, the league sued first, and in avoiding Judge Doty’s Minnesota frying pan may have landed in Judge Berman’s Manhattan fire.) “But the judge, my sense is, is pushing to a settlement. That seems to be a priority. It would be good.”

It would be more likely to happen if owners were involved. Judge Berman seems to realize that. And since the specific title of the case is National Football League Management Council v. National Football League Players Association, why doesn’t Judge Berman simply require the entire Management Council Executive Committee to come to court on August 31?

254 responses to “Why would Judge Berman go over Goodell’s head?

  1. Can you imagine how much pressure would suddenly be put on Goodell if the Judge asked several billionaires to show up in court?

    Pretty sure that would kickstart settlement talks.

    Or even just let it go talks, lol.

  2. Daniel Nash can argue in open court that there were those in the NFL who wanted Brady suspended for eight games…but it is a conflict of interest for John Mara to help negotiate a settlement?

    I don’t believe a single thing this league says.

  3. If in his private meetings with Goodell Berman is asking Goodell why he is taking this insane route to an epic loss in the courts and the commissioner is answering “that’s what my bosses want,” it makes perfect sense that the judge would want to call in the NFL owners.

    Berman to the assembled owners: “This halfwit you have running the league said you guys want him to be making up testimony, leaking false information to the press and generally ignoring my strongly worded advice to stand down. Is that correct?”

    The assembled owners: “Roger, you are fired.”

    Berman: “Case dismissed pending an apology to Mr. Brady, Mr. Kraft and the fans of New England from the Commissioner’s office. All penalties against Mr. Brady and the team are hearby overturned.”

  4. Mara is a joke. He stated he would not get involved because it would be a conflict of interest. But a conflict of interest didn’t stop him from spearheaded unfair and biased cap penalties against 2 of his very own division rivals. Plus… he’s likely out on a street corner accepting donations in his tin can to pay for the goal line cameras that the league cannot seem to afford.

  5. Judge Berman says, “See, the problem we got here NFL is you have a nincompoop representing you a real dud. I’m tired of discussing this with the malcontent at the children’s table and I’d like to now speak to the adults.”

  6. In 2007 the NFL GOD,,,called Brett Farve,,refused to hand over his phone in a SEXUAL HARRASMENT Lawsuit to the NFL,,, the NFL said he was failing to comply with the investigation and (WAIT FOR IT) Fined $25,000. End of Story

    What say all you HATERS?

  7. .
    Now we can add Murphy to the rapidly growing list of owners who’ve publicly attested to the infallibility of the Wells Report and the absolute power of their Goodellbot.

    John Mara
    Jerry Jones
    Bob McNair
    Arthur Blank
    Stephen Ross
    Dan Rooney
    Jim Irsay
    Steve Bisciotti
    .

  8. I always thought the Superbowl MVP was a rather dodgy award.

    What determined whether Brady was MVP or not was a play where he wasn’t even on the field and a fellow teammate saved the game for the Pats.

    I remember when Manning won his for basically showing up. The colts defense carried them that post season but got zero recognition.

  9. Any judicial solution that ends the reign of the King Goodell will be worth it. He is so despised by fans that he may have passed Gary Bettman of the NHL as the most unpopular commisioner in all of pro sports. Free Tom Brady. The Wells Report has more holes than Swiss cheese.

  10. One thing I love about this country, the best thing about it really, is that if enough time passes the truth will out. In most other places the opposite happens.

    Free Brady.

  11. Look at what a cluster this has grown into. This is all because those crybaby Ravens and gutless Colts organizations lost. Its that simple. And look at the damage they have done to the league. Its shameful… Pagano, Harbaugh, Grigson et.al should be banned for life. The jig is up and nobody with a clue believes Brady or the Patriots did anything wrong anymore. Two crybaby clubs have created a monster because their feelings were hurt. What a disgrace!

  12. I’m good with Brady taking two games for failure to cooperate and ending this mess. I think he probably did it, but I’ve also thought since the beginning that they’d never get proof without his cell or the follow up interviews with the Deflator and Co. Just get it over with.

  13. This is exactly why Brady should’ve been suspended for the entire season; so they can compromise in the middle somewhere.

    Four games gives them no wiggle room.

  14. Berman went over his head because he’s realized Goodell is a constantly lying buffoon who is utterly and totally incompetent and along with the other former NY Jet employees in the league office has a vendetta against the Pats and Brady.

  15. This kind of makes sense! We don’t know is how much pressure Goodell is getting from the hardline owners to hold firm, fearing a settlement weakens their authority. I’ve always believed this is bigger than Brady, even if he deserves the suspension.

  16. the NFL won’t reduce the four game suspension because look who the fourth game is against…..DALLAS…nuff said

  17. cosmicconvoy says:
    Aug 21, 2015 10:08 AM
    This is exactly why Brady should’ve been suspended for the entire season; so they can compromise in the middle somewhere.

    Four games gives them no wiggle room.

    “Have you been under a rock? The league made this all up. The Judge has been hammering them.”

  18. My guess is that Brady and Kessler have made clear that it’s impossible to deal with Goodell from a position of “good faith” – and look at the record… you can’t blame them

    From the leaking of false information – sending the same to Brady and the Patriots – leaving it uncorrected for 4 months, to telling Brady they didn’t wan’t or need his phone and then playing “gotcha” – whatever Goodell says they can NOT TRUST

    And we haven’t even touched on the fact that according to the “best recollection” of Walt Anderson – no unusual deflation occured UNLESS you accept the Wells/Goodell LIE that Anderson suddenly developed Alzheimer’s when it came to remembering which gauge he used

    The Haters can’t bring themselves to accept that (“Brady cheated” they parrot “take your medicine” – regardless of the fact that the balls weren’t even deflated)

    But rational people such as the Judge certainly “get it”

    Goodell does the bidding of the owners – who should replace him since the OWNERS say only a person with “unquestioned integrity” can serve as Commissioner. Until then someone other than Goodell needs to be the one to negotiate because it’s been proven that Goodell lies and cannot be trusted.

  19. Florio makes a very good point. Goodell is a numbskull, who’s boneheaded investigation has gotten us to this point.

    What should and could have been a bulletproof arbitration, is now shown to be swisscheese . Thanks NFL pinheads.

    If you get the owners involved, you get the grown ups.

    This equipment infraction has turned the NFL into a national laughingstock.

  20. Can you imagine how much pressure would suddenly be put on Goodell if the Judge asked several billionaires to show up in court?

    Pretty sure that would kickstart settlement talks.

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    It might not,from what I understand most of them stand by Goodell.

  21. Everyone. let me save you time.

    Literally DOZENS of New England fans will comment here. They will spread disinformation around like so much manure, talking about gas laws they don’t understand and never heard of until 2015, Ted Wells’ integrity, Roger Goodell’s integrity..

    They will muse ignorantly on literally ANYTHING to steer you from the fact that YOU read those text transcripts and that you know Tom Brady destroyed his most recent phone, but not the one prior.

    They are terrified that the past 15 years are a lie, as they should be.

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  22. The judge can do whatever he wants to do and I’m sure Goodell doesn’t care. He has a football league to run and he’d just as soon concentrate on the football field. Goodell has nothing to lose or nothing to gain. Brady has a lot to lose. Some judges are pro business and some are not. Goodell isn’t going to waste time on stuff he can’t control.

  23. Won’t matter. Goodell is just the owners puppet and the owners don’t want to settle. It’s now all about a power struggle w NFLPA. If Mara really wanted this to be over, he would have mediated. Kraft had conflict of interest during lockout but stepped in b/c he truly wanted it to be over with.

  24. While the cases are very different in any number of ways, whenever I see this litigation leading to settlement negotiations relating to settlements, all I can think is

    “Pete Rose could have sued himself back into baseball”.

  25. It still amazes me that people want Brady suspended for ball tampering and/or noncooperation. The league has made it abundantly clear (prior to this farce) that ball inflation is of little to no importance, and similar infractions like using stickum are punished with a minor fine. Noncooperation? Sorry, the Favre case tells you all you need to know. Maybe you up the fine a lot since Brady disposed of his cell phone, but there’s simply no precedent for a suspension here. Certainly it appears Berman is thinking along the same lines.

  26. According to Russo, most NFL owners are on commissioner Roger Goodell’s side in keeping Brady’s suspension at four games.

    “I have no idea how [the trial] is going to turn out,” Russo said. “I don’t think there’s going to be any negotiation. I think Goodell is steadfast that he’s going to do what he has to do here with the four games, I know John Mara is and he loves Mara. I know Mara well, Mara is completely behind Goodell, so is Jerry Jones and Jerry Jones has been killed with the salary cap and getting fined by Goodell. I’m sure Daniel Snyder wants to make sure Brady takes his punishment after he got nailed with the salary cap issues a few years ago. Most owners are on Goodell’s side so he won’t move. Brady can’t move, so I don’t know what’s going to occur.”

  27. 20 days. 20 days until football. Football that will feature Tom Brady playing all four quarters.

    And while most of people’s attention will turn to the game, the league will continue to profusely sweat over the devastating blow Judge Berman is about to deal them and the CBA.

  28. eagleswin says:
    Aug 21, 2015 10:04 AM
    I always thought the Superbowl MVP was a rather dodgy award.

    What determined whether Brady was MVP or not was a play where he wasn’t even on the field and a fellow teammate saved the game for the Pats.


    Yeah, sure Brady broke the SB record for completions (37), completions in a half (20) and lead the Pats to the biggest come-from-behind win in SB history, and did all that against an elite defense, he didn’t deserve the MVP.

  29. This case has forever tarnished any impressions I may have had about the NFL. It has also drastically changed how I think about unions. The NFL is basically trying to ram a completely bogus case down the throat of one of the league’s best players, a case where there is no direct evidence that the player did anything wrong. They conducted a textbook smear campaign right from go against the player, with carefully timed misinformation and outright lies. They then made it impossible for him to defend himself by creating a kangaroo court appeals process where the league gets to review itself. Even if the union agreed to a CBA that technically allowed this kind of behavior, it is absolutely outrageous that the NFL has utilized their powers in such a way. The absence of due process and neutral judgment here is simply breathtaking and un-American. I will never take the NFL office seriously again. I will also become more active in my own union.

  30. To the ‘take your medicine’ crowd, stop your whining. Unless there is a smoking gun in the form of hard evidence what man just ‘takes’ anything? This is a guy who’s had to prove himself all his life, and you think he’s just going to lay down just so you can stop clicking on every single story about this?

    I got some news…THIS is why when your team plays New England and you are up 27-6 in the 3rd quarter (remember that game bears fans?), or up 24-14 part way through the 4th quarter with the self-appointed moniker of ‘best defense of all-time’ (I know pitiful 12th ladies will NEVER get that out of their head) you as a fan are on pins and needles until the game is over because the Pats don’t die until you kill them dead and then kill them again. BB is great and all that…but the SPIRIT and WILL to win comes from Brady. He’s never going to stop. Ever. He may lose, but he’s not going to quit when it gets tough. Mark my words losers….if the Pats are healthy this year who is going to stop them? It won’t be a walk in the park…but the front 7 is better than you think on D and the O will be just fine.

  31. eagleswin says:
    Aug 21, 2015 10:04 AM
    I always thought the Superbowl MVP was a rather dodgy award.

    What determined whether Brady was MVP or not was a play where he wasn’t even on the field and a fellow teammate saved the game for the Pats.

    I remember when Manning won his for basically showing up. The colts defense carried them that post season but got zero recognition.

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    That last play would not have matter if Brady hadn’t gone 13 of 15, for 124 yards and two touchdowns in the last 12 minutes of the game, against the League’s “best D” on the world’s biggest stage. Give credit where credit is due. (That being said, an INCREDIBLE read and catch by Butler, but not MVP worthy when TB puts up those numbers.)

  32. It seems obvious at this point that Roger is a liar. What is becoming pretty clear is he doesn’t have authority to make a deal. So if he’s in the settlement room saying he doesn’t have the authority from the Executive Committee to make a deal and Berman is saying well get someone from that committee in this room, and Roger is failing to deliver that person, he’s more screwed up than I thought.

    You don’t have the authority to make a deal and the person that does has a conflict of interest according to the guy who has no authority.

    I’m waiting for the day the Roger has no authority to do anything but tell people he used to be commissioner of the NFL.

  33. Do the Haters not yet realize how insanely jealous they sound?

    Berman has made clear that the entire “independent investigation” is a JOKE

    Heck – they can’t even show that the footballs were deflated without ignoring the Laws of Physics and asserting the same official who’s memory was lock solid when it came to remembering 24 specific PSIs he failed to write down can’t accurately remember which gauge he used.

    The fact that Goodell continues to press the “Brady Cheated” line is embarrassing as it shows that he thinks most NFL fans – and the public in general – is just stupid and gullible

    But it should be HUMILIATING to be one of those fans that openly admits they believe Goodell when he’s been PROVEN as a liar over and over – even while sworn in under oath before Judge Barbara Jones.

  34. Maybe both sides don’t like where this could end up and if they want out…

    What are the odds that this whole mess gets pinned on
    “rogue equipment men”?

    Both parties would then have plausible deniability for all that has happened and save face.

    I think there are clues in the testimony that this fail-safe option could occur.
    The judge says the case is only about the AFCCG.
    The he seemed to indicate he thinks there is some evidence of deflation but nothing that ties it to Brady.

    Finally Berman made the comment that it would be logical to assume they were trying to help out their quarterback.

    Pash admitted there’s no direct evidence implicating Brady in the AFCCG but they stand by the Wells report.

    Brady could accept one game suspension for not cooperating, the quid pro quo could be that thee Pats could pick which of the first four games Brady serves it.

    Brady would play the first home game and Goodell could attend as a guest in Kraft’s Suite. They could even share a hug for TV.

    On the surface all would appear well.

    Pretty messed up but that’s the way the world works sometimes.

  35. Serious question, if Mara would say its a conflict of interest, and there seems to be some evidence to suggest that the other owners had a hand in determining the outcome of the punishment, doesn’t that directly make the commissioner partial to the owners wishes?

    In layman’s terms, Goodell cannot be an impartial arbiter since the owners were consulted in the final determination, which I believe is what prior judges have ruled upon (See Rice/Peterson cases). Brady wins in court, CBA or no.

  36. Dear Crybaby Pats Haters,

    Congrats, this sham has all but guaranteed that Tom Brady (the GOAT) will play up through and past the year 2020.

    You might as well stop watching the NFL and check back after he retires.

    he is going to demolish the NFL this year, and it’s going to be biblical.

    Your tears just fuel the dynasty.

    There is no stopping the dominance.

    #kisstherings

  37. Florio, the judge required the decision makers to come to court. He may believe he doesn’t have one in Goodell and he’s right.

    One of the reasons the NFL’s lawyers advised against having Mara participate is because they want to continue the ruse that Goodell acted independently as arbitrator.

    Now that NFL counsel is on the record with the court as saying it would be improper for owners to advise Goodell on these matters Judge Berman should ask Goodell under oath which owners he spoke with about the Brady case and what was said.

    He should also ask Goodell if he has authority to bind the NFL in this case and why or why not depending on his answer.

  38. woodsholebarnacle says: If you get the owners involved, you get the grown ups
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    Not really. These are the guys who KNOW Goodell consistently lies and they are encouraging him to go after Brady when – if they are grownups – they know the Laws of Physics and “best recollection” of the officials show that NO DEFLATION OCCURRED

    The fact that they keep Roger in that job when he’s violated their own bylaws (only a person of unquestioned integrity can be commissioner) shows you they’re as corrupt as Goodell

    BUT – they can save face and over-rule Goodell, exonnerate Brady and settle this rather than risk a VERY bad precedent for them.

    So that’s where the hope of a settlement is – but don’t kid yourself. The 31 owners who refuse to call out Goodell for this farce of a fabricated scandal are just as corrupt as Goodell is.

  39. eagleswin says:
    Aug 21, 2015 10:04 AM

    I always thought the Superbowl MVP was a rather dodgy award.

    What determined whether Brady was MVP or not was a play where he wasn’t even on the field and a fellow teammate saved the game for the Pats.

    I remember when Manning won his for basically showing up. The colts defense carried them that post season but got zero recognition.
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    I seem to recall that the Patriots came back a couple of times, and Brady shredding the legion of boom. Wasn’t it one of the best Super Bowl performances b y a quarterback?

    Manning likely got it because they figured he wouldn’t be back for a shot at another one.

  40. “Can you imagine how much pressure would suddenly be put on Goodell if the Judge asked several billionaires to show up in court?”

    Remember when all of the tobacco CEOs came into court and lied about the health risks of smoking?

    I expect this would parallel that disgraceful display.

  41. Is that legal for a Judge to pinpoint which owners he wants to be involved?

    And why would he pick Mara over another owner?

    Something is not right here. Is everything being reported? It doesn’t seem like all information is being reported.

  42. Question: How do you deal with a recalcitrant duplicitous child that isn’t your own?
    Answer: You don’t. You deal with his parents

    The judge should be careful going over Goodell’s head without a net though, it could be dangerous. If he slips he would be falling into a bottomless pit.

  43. “What a waste of my taxpayer money. Fess up Brady. It’s not the first or last time your name will be associated with cheating.”

    Says the fan of a team that has raised the use of “deer antler spray” to heights never before seen.

    The ravens have the (dis)honor to be one of the 7 teams most penalized for PED use in the entire NFL.

  44. why doesn’t Judge Berman simply require the entire Management Council Executive Committee to come to court on August 31?
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    Because this would make too much sense….

  45. You would have to be naïve that this commissioner would continue this charade by himself.

    Owners have been involved from the beginning. Whether driven by the Patriots success or Kraft’s alleged influence, they are the silent villains.

    Wood drastically underestimates the impact of social distinctions predicated upon wealth, especially inherited wealth

  46. Berman will be forced to kick this back to accept the arbitration results. He knows anything else will result in a win for the NFL on appeal.

    He knows he can’t rule for Brady and a settlement seems like a fair outcome to him. Mara’s denial, lays out the league’s position and they will not succumb to the pressure to compromise with a cheater.

    Professional sports commissioner power, rests with a positive outcome for the league.

  47. It’s becoming more and more obvious that the NFL WANTS the court to bail them out of this fiasco by overturning the decision. Then they say just like Kraft thought it in the league’s best interest not to fight further, the league won’t appeal.

  48. Judge Berman is bluffing and Goodell and his attorneys know it. Why? The Supreme Court ruled in Garvey vs MLB, Major League Baseball, that Federal judges cannot involve themselves in agreed upon CBA’s. Judge Berman knows Goodell has the power to do as he chooses. Brady will sit 4 games. Watch it happen.

  49. mack2x says:
    Aug 21, 2015 9:56 AM
    This is a joke. Settle on 2 games, take your medicine and move on!

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    Brady is feeling pretty good right now. Not sure he needs any medicine!

  50. It’s funny, we look at the other great dynasties of the 49ers and Steelers, and their run was rank with cheating. Montana admits to his OL using Vasolene on their jerseys, Jerry Rice using Stickum, salary cap violations ~1995, and of course the rampant PED usage for the Steelers, but nobody talks about them. In fact, most fans are reverent in their depictions of those teams.

    Why then is there hatred over the Pats? Is it perhaps that the cheating allegations regarding the other teams surfaced after their dynasty runs were all but over? Or was it something else?

    Perhaps it’s because the Patriots have had the longest run of success of any franchise, in a league that promotes parity and the salary cap, both of which are specifically designed to level the playing field. No, we harp on these issues now because there aren’t supposed to be any dynasties, and teams aren’t supposed to be good for 15 years.

    Bring up Spygate all you want, harp about Deflated footballs, but at the end of the day, the reason for repeated successes isn’t because of any foul play. It’s because of solid front-office leadership, innovative and remarkable coaching, and unparalleled success with Brady. That’s why the Pats win, and that’s why 2015 will be another year for the books.

  51. Sounds to me like this judge really doesn’t want to rule in this case. I understand trying to get the sides to settle but if they don’t, rule on it & let’s go play some football.

  52. helldog33 says:
    Aug 21, 2015 10:11 AM

    Goodell vs Brady cage fight to determine the suspension issue.
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    Pay per View to pay for Paul Weiss legal fees incurred by the dimwittery of Roger Goodell and the NFLFO. Wednesday night before the Thursday Night Opener, @Foxboro, Brady vs. Goodell!!!, winner take all!

  53. Here’s an equivalent scenario. Imagine if the Cardinals in the NLCS last year thought the balls Madison Bumgarner were using were a little more tacky than normal. They complain to league officials who look at some balls and say, yeah, they look a little more tacky than normal. They’ve never thought about the “tackiness” of balls before, but decide they’re maybe a little more tacky than the Cardinals balls. They collect some measurements of tackiness from a bunch of Giants balls and a couple of Cardinals balls. Then, a few days later, MLB announces the start of an “independent” investigation in the tackiness of the balls in the NLCS. Four months later, they announce that Madison Bumgarner might have cheated because his balls were a little tackier than the Cardinals’ balls. As evidence, they use a report compiled by Exponent about “tackiness,” footage of the Giants’ ballboy going into a bathroom while carrying the game balls, and the fact that he called himself the “tacker” some six months previously. MLB then ignores multiple scientific reports suggesting natural causes for the increased tackiness of Bumgarner’s balls. Instead, they punish him with a 40-game suspension and take two draft picks away from the Giants. Then, they conduct an appeals where Bumgarner is supposed to produce “new information” to demonstrate his innocence in front of the same people who just punished him. When he fails to provide such new evidence, and admits that he actually destroyed his personal cell phone because he’s got tons of personal info on there and they already have the relevant texts, they confirm their own finding and then immediately head to federal court to sue him. When the judge encourages MLB to settle they case, they stipulate that Bumgarner must accept all of MLB’s “facts” before any settlement can happen. Throughout the entire process, lies and misinformation are carefully leaked to networks competing for the rights of the next World Series. Misinformation about just how “tacky” the balls were is allowed to sit unchallenged for five months. League sources suggest a Giants’ ballboy tried to introduce non-standard balls to the Cardinals collection even though it was a crooked league official that did that. League sources suggest that Bumgarner asked to have the appeals transcript kept under seal, even though Bumgarner specifically asked in the appeal that it be made public. On and on and on…

    Can anyone see MLB doing this to their World Series MVP? Would this be okay if this were your team or player?

  54. He is going over his head becuase every single decision Goodell has made in his career that he has to decide what to do on his own has been dead wrong. Bountygate, Ray Rice, deflategate, replacement officials will work out fine, announcing every first round pick even though he is booed relentlessly, supporting expanding playoffs which would water down the sport, supporting extending the regular season and shortening practice days which is a great combo for injuries to occur, and that’s just off the top of many head. The only reason there is public support with the handling of deflategate is because the patriots are so hated.

  55. Don’t worry patsie fans CHEATER Brady WILL not serve his suspension!!! The cheating patsies will have ANOTHER ONE swept under the NFL rug AGAIN!!!

  56. Baby John Mara refused to participate because Judge Berman would not guarantee that the final ruling would include salary cap penalties against the Cowboys and Redskins.

  57. we now can say with 90% confidence that Mort’s NFL insider is Mara.

    Berman isn’t going over Godell’s head, he is driving right over him.

    To the people who say that a judge very rarely overturns an arbiters decision regarding a CBA, do you honestly believe other CBA’s are written and invoked in the same manner as this one has been?

    I still find it fascinating that the owners in public are trying to say that they want a settlement and it’s terrible that we are fighting with one of our stars, but obviously in private they are gritting their teeth and remaining firm.

    The judge bringing in the executive council will get them on record as to what they really want, or just prior to such a hearing the NFL will take a fine for “not cooperating” and settle.

    which they should have done a month ago.

    Now we can start the congressional hearings regarding the NFL’s monopoly exemption!!!

  58. This is indeed a joke. Settle on 0 games, a $6,000 fine, the resignation of Goodell, the firing of the sting instigator & media leaker Kensil, and move on!

  59. As of 2008, NFL management council executive committee Mara replaced Richardson as Chairman in 2011. This info hard to find, anyone have new info?
    Pat Bowlen (Co-chairman) Owner Denver Broncos
    Jerry Richardson (Co-chairman) Owner Carolina Panthers
    Mike Brown Owner Cincinnati Bengals
    Bill Ford Jr. Owner Detroit Lions
    Clark Hunt Owner Kansas City Chiefs
    Jerry Jones Owner Dallas Cowboys
    Robert Kraft Owner New England Patriots
    John Mara Co-owner New York Giants
    Mark Murphy President Green Bay Packers
    Art Rooney II President Pittsburgh Steelers

  60. iamkillerfin says:
    Aug 21, 2015 10:36 AM
    Don’t worry patsie fans CHEATER Brady WILL not serve his suspension!!! The cheating patsies will have ANOTHER ONE swept under the NFL rug AGAIN!!!

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    Yeah, 8 months later and it’s still not resolved. That’s “swept under the NFL rug?” I don’t think you know what that means.

  61. “skawh says:
    Aug 21, 2015 10:29 AM
    Judge Berman is bluffing and Goodell and his attorneys know it. Why? The Supreme Court ruled in Garvey vs MLB, Major League Baseball, that Federal judges cannot involve themselves in agreed upon CBA’s. Judge Berman knows Goodell has the power to do as he chooses. Brady will sit 4 games. Watch it happen.”


    that Garvey case has been shot down by several legal scholars as irrelevant in this case. The Garvey case had nothing to do with process issues.

  62. helldog33 says:
    Aug 21, 2015 10:11 AM
    Goodell vs Brady cage fight to determine the suspension issue.

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    Great idea. Must watch television, and they’d make enough on pay-per-view to cover their legal expenses.

    I agree with others saying this move makes sense for Berman to do. He has been trying to tell them look at their own “evidence” and look at the penalty, and then self-reflect on whether that is fair, consistent or unbiased. It seems like the Brady team has been negotiating in good faith with a brick wall.

    Seriously, if this group of NFL lawyers truly believes its arbitration was independent, fair and unbiased, then someone else needs to get involved. They can’t just keep telling a federal judge to trust Goodell’s discretion, when he’s clearly gone out of his way to make this look worse than it is.

    An unprecedented halftime gauging of footballs, along with shoddy data collection. False 11 of 12 footballs report leaked by the NFL and uncorrected. A multi-million dollar investigation anyway. Invasions of privacy. A historic penalty on the Patriots. Cheating and lying accusations abound. A steroid-level suspension of Brady without direct evidence. And in Goodell’s words “now litigation.”

    They had no intention of fairness or independence. The NFL clogged the courts with this, so they wouldn’t have to admit their own mistakes. Seems like Berman really wants a settlement and will do whatever he can to draw in some rational people on the NFL side to get it done.

  63. eagleswin says:
    Aug 21, 2015 10:04 AM

    I always thought the Superbowl MVP was a rather dodgy award.

    What determined whether Brady was MVP or not was a play where he wasn’t even on the field and a fellow teammate saved the game for the Pats.
    ———————————————————-
    Not taking away a single thing from Malcolm Butler, but without Brady’s history-making comeback, that’s just another interception.

  64. WITHOUT Brady CONFESSING to having a reward system in place that motivated John Jastremski and Jim “The Deflator” McNally to let air out of his footballs, there will be no movement by the NFL in settlement talks. With that said, Brady may as well bite his bottom lip, serve his 4 game suspension, and pretend he was innocent for the Pats lemmings out there who’ve backed him like he’s been framed. 4 games will go by really quick. Before you know it he’ll be back on the field to take over for Jimmy Garoppolo and the 2-2 or 1-3 Pats.

    THUMBS DOWN IF YOU AGREE

  65. It’s a conflict of interest in one other way. If Mara gets involved and Brady is unhappy with the outcome, he gives the Super Bowl MVP more motivation to beat his team on the field.

  66. ftblfan9 says: Aug 21, 2015 10:29 AM

    It’s becoming more and more obvious that the NFL WANTS the court to bail them out of this fiasco by overturning the decision. Then they say just like Kraft thought it in the league’s best interest not to fight further, the league won’t appeal.
    ======================

    I have wondered about this in a similar manner. I honestly think the NFL and the other 31 owners have already accomplished the goal. They wanted to tarnish the Patriots. Mission accomplished. But rather than just come out and end the charade, they have no choice but to take it all the way. If they lose in court, no big deal because they already got their public opinion victory. If they win in court, icing on the cake… I feel this way because the NFL’s investigation, stance, court filings, etc have all seemed completely incompetent. There is no way I will believe the NFL and their lawyers are this stupid

  67. Tom admit it man, stop this kiddie tantrum

    It’s all been done wrong man

    I don’t think you’re feeling the path of the momentum right now.

  68. I thought this whole investigation was about the colts game they found no evidence of deflating footballs in that game so they dug up the past and still found no evidence now they want to try to take Brady down for not cooperating smh this all about goodell getting his power back this has nothing to do with deflated balls

  69. Why would Judge Berman go over Goodell’s head?

    Because he is incapable of leadership. Spineless, gutless coward mouthpiece for the owners and NFL lawyer scum.

  70. Maybe because the judge realizes that it’s a waste of time trying to reason with someone as stubborn, incompetent, and untrustworthy as Goodell.

  71. hooded12 says:
    Aug 21, 2015 10:32 AM

    “…Bring up Spygate all you want, harp about Deflated footballs, but at the end of the day, the reason for repeated successes isn’t because of any foul play. It’s because of solid front-office leadership, innovative and remarkable coaching, and unparalleled success with Brady. That’s why the Pats win, and that’s why 2015 will be another year for the books.”

    =========================================

    Shortened for the sake of brevity, but excellent post!

  72. I think the entire NE Cheaters team should stay suspended until they reach a settlement. 8 games sounds about right and the entire team must sign a special “no more cheating guarantee”.

  73. Brady shouldn’t take more than a game which is still a joke. Even they had incontrovertible evidence he still shouldn’t be suspended. All of you haters let your ignorance and stupidity blind you to reality. The CBA calls for a fine for this offense. As for Roger the liar invoking the integrity of the game is ridiculous beside the fact he doesn’t know the meaning of the word. Last season was the 93rd season the league has been in existence 95th if you count the two years of the APFA. In all of those 95 years how many times has anyone ever heard of any league official talk about PSI levels? That’s right none. If it mattered that much why did the league never take pre-game measurements of the ball? Because they could have cared less. Also not that I want a witch hunt on Aaron Rodgers but he admitted that he likes them over inflated. Some of you will say he does that before they are inspected not after like the Pats allegedly did. That may be true but if the integrity of the league was at stake at least it could be looked into. Why is not because nobody cares. This whole thing is such fabricated nonsense and Goodell is getting everyone to buy it hook line and sinker. I haven’t even mentioned all of the lies, leaks and underhanded things the league has done on this or the lack of credible evidence. A 8 month old text message and a trip to the bathroom don’t prove this. Brady deserves ZERO games. Play all 16 Tom!

  74. When will the patriots be caught cheating yet again?

    It’s likely to be something involving in-game communications and something they’ve been doing for a very long time. It’s quite possible they are recording opponents calls at the line of scrimmage with bugs sewn into players uniform.

    **** Four tainted rings. One sixth round fraud.

  75. cmsfl says:
    Aug 21, 2015 10:24 AM
    Is that legal for a Judge to pinpoint which owners he wants to be involved?
    And why would he pick Mara over another owner?
    Something is not right here. Is everything being reported? It doesn’t seem like all information is being reported.
    *****************************
    Florio answered these questions:
    “It would be more likely to happen if owners were involved. Judge Berman seems to realize that. And since the specific title of the case is National Football League Management Council v. National Football League Players Association, why doesn’t Judge Berman simply require the entire Management Council Executive Committee to come to court on August 31?”

    Mara is either Chairman or co-chair of this committee, ergo, he is the best person to commence action towards a settlement. We can also assume, as Chairman, that Mara was a ringleader in pushing Goodell on the hard line. His claims of innocence ring hollow.

  76. tonebones says:
    Aug 21, 2015 10:14 AM

    The judge can do whatever he wants to do and I’m sure Goodell doesn’t care. He has a football league to run and he’d just as soon concentrate on the football field. Goodell has nothing to lose or nothing to gain. Brady has a lot to lose. Some judges are pro business and some are not. Goodell isn’t going to waste time on stuff he can’t control.
    ————————

    You’ve got it backwards, as usual.

    Tom Brady has nothing to lose. He is already suspended for 4 games. The only thing that can happen to him is that, or something less than that.

    Goodellbot has everything to lose. Except for his integrity. He lost that long ago.

  77. Judge Berman needs to haul all of these 40+ scumbags into court and make them all testify under oath. Goodell, all 32 owners, Pash, Nash, Kensil, vincent, Mortenson, Kravitz, Grigson, John Harbaugh and dont Forget Ted Wells.

    We will see how soon these owners will drop their frivolous lawsuit filled with lies

  78. People who are still saying “take your medicine” and take a penalty. This is WAY BEYOND Brady and suspensions at this point.

    This is about a chance to stop the league from lying & doing whatever it wants with players. It’s ruining lives & careers (Incognito?) for seemingly little to no reason.

    Settle for 2 games? Why bother?

  79. Wow, all this money and time just to set up a player they don’t like.
    You just have to love it.
    A premeditated sting will now get the comish stung.

  80. a) Judge Berman is subtly reminding the NFL Management Council that they are parties to this case

    b) which means that they may well yet be deposed and/or questioned by the NFLPA as to their part in this fiasco

    c) but he’s being nice by suggesting Mara, who lives locally and wouldn’t be overly inconvenienced by participating in settlement talks in New York

    d) but reminding the owners in Texas and California that if necessary, he can drag them in also, at his convenience.

  81. @ patriottony, farces sexual harassment penalty had nothing to do with the integrity of the game. Toms a cheater.

  82. Just an opinion but I think Brady’s legal team will settle for a fine commensurate with Brett Favre’s fine of $25,000.00 because the only thing you could say for sure is that Brady destroyed his phone.

    Roger Goodell can’t change president by alleging through the Wells Report that he now is saying Brady more than likely knew and then he changed the argument that the Wells Report did not have to be independent from it most certainly was in the beginning of this fiasco so I would believe Judge Berman might agree.

    Most of us believe the whole thing was a smear campaign but not fully sure why it was done but like weepingjebus posted today that the truth eventually comes out with time in this country, as Mortenson tried to prove after 6 months has past and he had no where else to hide from the truth.

    Unless I hear different I don’t think Brady believes he should miss any games because he has nothing to do with what Goodell try to accuse him of. A fine just like Favre and that should be it because Brady is innocent and the Superbowl MVP is an honest man. The league and Commissioner were the ones committing acts against the integrity of the league and an honest man and should be ashamed of themselves but I doubt they ever will. Don’t bother trying to claim anything else.

  83. The Judge most likely is pushing so hard at the NFL because he knows there is a Supreme Court case out there that is going to make him rule in favor of the NFL or have his ruling overturned at the appeals court level. An MLB case that the SC found that the facts in a collectively bargained process does not matter because the process was followed. Even if the process sucks.

  84. Let’s not forget that Goodell also sat on his ruling until his lawyers were ready to run into court in NYC. This was their plan, they coordinated this to give themselves the best forum they could get — and Berman doesn’t believe a word they say.

  85. .
    @squawh

    ” Berman is bluffing. Goodell and his attorneys know this. ”

    Bluffing? Judge Berman has four aces. Brady and Goodell each have a pair of threes. He has no need to bluff anyone.
    .

  86. marianfl24 says:
    Aug 21, 2015 10:11 AM
    Can you imagine how much pressure would suddenly be put on Goodell if the Judge asked several billionaires to show up in court?

    Pretty sure that would kickstart settlement talks.

    __________________________________________
    It might not,from what I understand most of them stand by Goodell.

    _________________________________________

    Slight correction: they stand BEHIND Goodell. When asked to come forward and stand by him during this grilling, it will change the conversation.

  87. restoreintegritytonfl says:
    Aug 21, 2015 10:47 AM

    When will the patriots be caught cheating yet again?

    **** Four tainted rings. One sixth round fraud.
    =========================================

    Shortened for the sake of brevity, but that’s an excellent and succinct summary of the Patsies org.

    #****

  88. When Brady handed over his phone logs in the appeal don’t you think a smoking gun would have shown up? Seriously. “My Brady, what was the content of the text\call you sent to Mr J or Mr. M during the period you destroyed your phone? ” The fact the NFL couldn’t find a smoking gun with the logs Brady provided from his phone carrier absolutely speaks volumes to how stupid\benign this whole mess is.

    What a freaking joke!

  89. At this point, there really shouldn’t be a lot of heavy lifting to show bias on the part of Goodell to vacate the award. If I was the NFL I’d be settling ASAP.

  90. j huber says:
    Aug 21, 2015 10:46 AM
    I think the entire NE Cheaters team should stay suspended until they reach a settlement. 8 games sounds about right and the entire team must sign a special “no more cheating guarantee”.

    ————
    Even if they did….your team would still find a way to lose to them!

  91. It is hilarious watching the same Pats fans furiously post daily on these stories when there is only one way this will end. If there is no settlement, Berman absolutely will not rule against the NFL. Why not? Because he will not want to set a legal precedent of overturning a valid collectively bargained agreement between an employer and a union. The impact would clog the court system everytime there was a disagreement, notwithstanding what the underlying contract said. Berman clearly prefers the two sides to settle, which is why he is putting the most pressure on the side that would win with his ruling, the NFL. Just watch what happens.

  92. When will the patriots be caught cheating yet again?

    It’s likely to be something involving in-game communications and something they’ve been doing for a very long time. It’s quite possible they are recording opponents calls at the line of scrimmage with bugs sewn into players uniform.

    **** Four tainted rings. One sixth round fraud.

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    It’s ok to hate the Patriots and think they did it but it’s not ok to spout lies. That is the problem with 95% of the Pats Haters you have no idea what you’re talking about. You don’t read anything but the headlines and then come on here and call the Pats cheaters without anything to back it up. Please explain to me how the first 3 titles are tainted? The Spygate rule they violated (which is so minor it’s not even worth talking about) wasn’t put in place until the 2006 season 2 years after they won the third Super Bowl. I would love to know how those are tainted since all of you geniuses are constantly saying they are. Both of these so called -gates are ridiculous just keeping on believing that if it helps you sleep.

  93. restoreintegritytonfl says:
    Aug 21, 2015 10:47 AM
    When will the patriots be caught cheating yet again?

    It’s likely to be something involving in-game communications and something they’ve been doing for a very long time. It’s quite possible they are recording opponents calls at the line of scrimmage with bugs sewn into players uniform.

    **** Four tainted rings. One sixth round fraud.

    —-
    Seriously? You forgot the one about Belichick’s time machine. How does he know what plays the other teams are going to call…because he has a time machine he uses to go ahead in time and find out! It’s all so simple, I don’t see why Pats fans don’t see it! It can’t be because Belichick can see how the other team is set up, knows how the other coach thinks…it can’t be because the Pats work hard and are just that good……can it?

  94. eagleswin says:
    Aug 21, 2015 10:04 AM

    I always thought the Superbowl MVP was a rather dodgy award.

    What determined whether Brady was MVP or not was a play where he wasn’t even on the field and a fellow teammate saved the game for the Pats.

    I remember when Manning won his for basically showing up. The colts defense carried them that post season but got zero recognition.

    ———-
    I’m sure leading the team from behind to score two touchdowns in the 4th quarter against the league’s best defense had nothing to do with Brady getting the MVP.

  95. Since the appeal & the award & the law suit are being prosecuted on behald of the NFL Management Council, isn’t Mara’s statement that he has a conflict of interest implicitly concede that the Management Council also had a conflict.

    If so, isn’t that a ground to vacate the Award & send it to an independent arbitrator?

  96. Look…this judge is out of line.

    A judge’s job is not to push two irreconcilable sides to settle. A judge’s job is to review evidence and come to a verdict when two parties are irreconcilable.

  97. Face it, 31 NFL owners intensely dislike the New England Patriots for a VARIETY of reasons, cheating only being one. Deflategate, as minor as it seems, gave the owners just enough traction to order their hired Comissioner, Goodell, to throw down on the Pats using Brady as a very convenient target who couldn’t help himself in making him a bigger target.

    Goodell, not the sharpest knife in the drawer, carried forward with the mandate of his 31 bosses and has made a procedural mess of things. This now has made Goodell a very cool target to hate by people who don’t fully understand the issues and have fallen in the copycat fanboy mode. Just like the Hatfield v McCoys, this has become “hate” without reason or understanding and Jesus Christ, don’t you people have actual lives that require your attention on things you can control? Grow up. Your addiction to this story is mind boggling.

  98. Smoking gun was in missing texts and destroyed SIM card communications to others not on the record

    Definately worth the punishment and once Tom did this, he admitted his involvement. It’s that simple folks

  99. Judge Berman is bluffing and Goodell and his attorneys know it. Why? The Supreme Court ruled in Garvey vs MLB, Major League Baseball, that Federal judges cannot involve themselves in agreed upon CBA’s. Judge Berman knows Goodell has the power to do as he chooses. Brady will sit 4 games. Watch it happen.
    ===
    Not what was held in Garvey and irrelevant to the case being argued by the NFLPA here. Garvey held that a judge can’t overturn a neutral abrtrator’s decision on fact. The contention here is that this was not a neutral arbitrator.

  100. Let me put this out there right up front; I was born and raised in Boston, and I’m a life long Patriots fan. As much as I hate to admit it, there is no way in the world that Brady didn’t know that the game balls were being deflated. He is a perfectionist, and wants everything that affects the game on the field under his control, and the thought that the balls were deflated without his knowledge is ridiculous. That being said, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that directly links Brady to the deflation of the balls. This is nothing but witch hunt against the Patriots. If you look at the facts of Spygate, the reason the Pats were fined was because of where they were filming from, not the fact that they were filming. And if this were the Cleveland Browns we were talking about, this would be a dead issue. The suspension should be reversed, and the fine and draft picks should be returned to the Patriots, period, case closed. And lastly, fire Goodell, the man is incompetent.

  101. This whole thing is a complete waste of time. Brady should just take his medicine and STOP POUTING!!

  102. “holeinone09 says:
    Aug 21, 2015 11:07 AM
    It is hilarious watching the same Pats fans furiously post daily on these stories when there is only one way this will end. If there is no settlement, Berman absolutely will not rule against the NFL. Why not? Because he will not want to set a legal precedent of overturning a valid collectively bargained agreement between an employer and a union.”


    Berman himself told the NFL 2 days ago that several arbitration cases in his circuit have been overturned for less than what the NFL has done in this case. He’s all but announced what he’s doing.

    He does not WANT to overturn it. And he does not WANT to waste taxpayer money on this, but if the NFL is too think to take the hint, he is going to obliterate the league in the next few weeks

  103. cmsfl says:
    Aug 21, 2015 10:24 AM

    Is that legal for a Judge to pinpoint which owners he wants to be involved?

    And why would he pick Mara over another owner?

    —-

    Make the case that it isn’t.

    Mara has publicly indicated that he wants the mess to just be over with. He’s a high profile owner and he lives in the New York area.

    The judge can call in whoever he wants to try to negotiate a settlement. Why on Earth would you think that he couldn’t? Seriously, what principle are you referring to that would prevent such an invitation?

  104. The Judge most likely is pushing so hard at the NFL because he knows there is a Supreme Court case out there that is going to make him rule in favor of the NFL or have his ruling overturned at the appeals court level. An MLB case that the SC found that the facts in a collectively bargained process does not matter because the process was followed. Even if the process sucks.
    ===
    No. Not even if the process sucks, because if it sucks too much it violates the Federal Arbitration Act and a host of other federal law. Further: the contention here is that the process was not followed.

  105. Berman is on the Payroll – Bank on it.

    You don’t make Interceptions with your back to the ball.

    You make INTERCEPTIONS by reading the PLAY before you and making IMMEDIATE Split Second ADVANCES toward the ball.

    WAKE UP PEOPLE

    Kraft, Brady, Don Yee, NFLPA have all been chasing the ball and Goodell & the Owners are in possesion and will not turn the ball over – they have now turned to ‘GROUND & POUND’.

  106. I’m still not getting it. What’s to settle? What’s the suspension, loss of draft picks, fines…for? There is no evidence that Brady or the Patriots, or even Beavis and Butthead did anything!

    I don’t understand, the Judge even sees its a farce and torching the NFL for it with his comments and questioning. Why isn’t the judge vacating all penalties at this point?

    I’m just dumb founded how this has gone so far over nothing happening.

  107. jancousineau says:
    Aug 21, 2015 11:19 AM

    Let me put this out there right up front; I was born and raised in Boston, and I’m a life long Patriots fan. As much as I hate to admit it, there is no way in the world that Brady didn’t know that the game balls were being deflated.

    Here is a “way in the world”: the balls were not deflated.

    Read the damned AEI report already. Anybody who claims to be a Pats’ fan should have done so a long time ago. You might be interested in the fact that Brady is not only technically “not guilty”, but actually innocent, since nobody ever tampered with the footballs.

  108. Because he will not want to set a legal precedent of overturning a valid collectively bargained agreement between an employer and a union
    ===
    Except Berman has overturned arbitration awards in the recent past when he felt they were not properly reached under their CBA – which is the contention here.

    New York City v. Assoc. of Wall-Ceiling & Carpentry Industries of New York, 2015 WL 1938148 (S.D.N.Y. Apr. 27, 2015)

  109. Judge Berman is bluffing and Goodell and his attorneys know it. Why? The Supreme Court ruled in Garvey vs MLB, Major League Baseball, that Federal judges cannot involve themselves in agreed upon CBA’s.


    You may have noticed that the NFL has lost all of the following cases because Goodell does such a poor job as arbitrator: to Vilma, to Rice, to Peterson, and to Hardy.

    Given how many times Goodell has lost in court, you might want to rethink your apparently deeply held belief that judges are not empowered to make rulings on cases that were in arbitration.

    Goodell has repeatedly tried to abuse the powers of his office, and has repeatedly been smacked down for doing so.

  110. “Judge Berman is bluffing and Goodell and his attorneys know it. Why? The Supreme Court ruled in Garvey vs MLB”

    Hmm where in Garvey vs MLB does it come out that MLB released false information as fact and let it sit out there as fact for months ?

    Where in Garvey vs MLB does it come out that MLB sent patently false information to the team as fact and took weeks to correct that ?

    Where is Garvey vs MLB does it come out that Garvey is being punished far more heavily for the offenses that others were either not punished for or given only a small fine ?

    Nowhere in the CBA does it say that the commissioner and league can lie, release false info, make up facts and ignore science to frame someone.

  111. goingthextramile says:
    Aug 21, 2015 10:42 AM
    WITHOUT Brady CONFESSING to having a reward system in place that motivated John Jastremski and Jim “The Deflator” McNally to let air out of his footballs, there will be no movement by the NFL in settlement talks.
    ================================
    He’s not going to confess because he knows they can’t prove it.
    The judge has limited the discussion of evidence solely to the AFC Title Game.
    He has indicated that there may be evidence of ball-tampering but that the NFL findings do not show any link to Brady being a part of it in that specific game.

  112. I think it’s great the major distraction Brady is creating for his team, I’m sure this will all work out great for him

  113. Come clean, Brady. This isn’t just Goodell, this is the other 31 owners of the league that are sick of your crap.

    Do us all a freaking favor and retire.

  114. I love it when people say Brady needs to take “medicine”.

    They actually are half right. There is medicine that needs to be taken, but not by Brady.

    When are people going to understand that Brady is not going to “settle” when there is nothing to “settle” to.

    Nicknames and destroying phones…that is all we got, and for that we are talking 4 games, a mil and a first rounder, are you insane?

    If I was Brady this Mickey Mouse outfit would not come within 10 feet of that phone. TMZ would pay handsomely for any information they could spin up to promote more hate.

    Seriously…..enough…..let’s get back to the game on the field.

  115. lemmetalkwouldya says:
    Aug 21, 2015 10:42 AM
    eagleswin says:
    Aug 21, 2015 10:04 AM

    I always thought the Superbowl MVP was a rather dodgy award.

    What determined whether Brady was MVP or not was a play where he wasn’t even on the field and a fellow teammate saved the game for the Pats.
    ———————————————————-
    Not taking away a single thing from Malcolm Butler, but without Brady’s history-making comeback, that’s just another interception.
    ———-
    Without Butler’s interception, or OC Bevell’s lamed brain play calling, the Pat’s, and Brady, are 0-3 in its last 3 SB’s.

    What history making comeback? The game is over once Seattle scores. Stop being a Brady girl homer.

  116. fireroger says: When Brady handed over his phone logs in the appeal don’t you think a smoking gun would have shown up?
    =============================

    I don’t think the NFL even bothered to check. Brady gave them everything they asked for – and it really wouldn’t have taken more than a few days for them to contact the dozen or so people that could have had some “deflation” type text or call

    Goodell just moved the goalposts AGAIN and demanded Brady’s cellphone (which under the CBA he can’t) even though GOODELL refused to give up HIS CELLPHONE in the Ray Rice investigation

    The gullible NFL fans who desperately NEED Brady to be deemed a cheater bought it hook line and sinker – but it was always a ruse, just like 11 of 12, etc.

  117. holeinone09 says:
    Aug 21, 2015 11:07 AM

    It is hilarious watching the same Pats fans furiously post daily on these stories when there is only one way this will end. If there is no settlement, Berman absolutely will not rule against the NFL. Why not? Because he will not want to set a legal precedent of overturning a valid collectively bargained agreement between an employer and a union.


    Vilma vs. Goodell
    Rice vs. Goodell
    Hardy vs. Goodell
    Peterson vs. Goodell

    Judge Berman doesn’t have to worry about setting a precedent. Goodell has plenty of experience losing in court in spite of what you seem to believe is the impossible-to-surmount standard of “but there’s a CBA!!”

  118. I just lost a ton of respect for Mark Murphy. This vlown is joking right?

    The Super Bowl MVP suing the league. Damn right especially since you corrupt scumbgas are nothing but a bunch of liars.

    Remember DunceDell ran and filed the lawsuit against Brady and the NFLPA. Do any of these owners have a brain and an ounce of integrity and the inabaility to do nothing but lie?

  119. I am a PATRIOTS fan and recently destroyed my phone, I also am ‘GENERALLY AWARE’ of how Brady prefers his footballs.

    They can call me in as a witness, I will testify to the EVERYTHING I KNOW and will spill the beans.

  120. I am proud to say I have never taken anything I haven’t earned or desired. This includes a punishment of any sort. I once had a boss (politically appointed one) tell me I had to play politics by apologizing to a group of people for something that NEVER happened (ironically they were the ones who owned me the apology). I held firm, tried to clear the air. The boss acknowledged the others were out of line but was admit I eat crow and move on… He said, “it’s easier this way.” Yeah, for him… Instead, I walked! There is no substitute for integrity and self respect.

    TB12 continue to fight the good fight!

    Also, I use to think Roger’s incompetence was tied to the Ray Rice case but actually it is solely about management v. employees. What better way to send a message then to take on the greatest ever? To bad, you will soon lose Roger!

    Roger has an impressive resume but he’d screw up the receipt for ice cubes.

  121. If this whole debacle was some elaborate scheme to give god powers to Goodellbot, couldn’t they have found a better patsy?

    They should have pulled this scam on the Jets or the Browns. They would have rolled over and the whole mess would have been over last year.

    Then again, it would have even been more ridiculous, since it would have been hard to prove competitive advantage, since those teams never win.

  122. nolasoxfan2012 says:
    Aug 21, 2015 10:16 AM
    This case has forever tarnished any impressions I may have had about the NFL. It has also drastically changed how I think about unions. The NFL is basically trying to ram a completely bogus case down the throat of one of the league’s best players, a case where there is no direct evidence that the player did anything wrong. They conducted a textbook smear campaign right from go against the player, with carefully timed misinformation and outright lies. They then made it impossible for him to defend himself by creating a kangaroo court appeals process where the league gets to review itself. Even if the union agreed to a CBA that technically allowed this kind of behavior, it is absolutely outrageous that the NFL has utilized their powers in such a way. The absence of due process and neutral judgment here is simply breathtaking and un-American. I will never take the NFL office seriously again. I will also become more active in my own union.
    =================

    I agree with most of that. Even though the Patriots are the best and the brightest cheaters in a league of cheaters, it would be better for Brady to win this round than to give even more power to the malevolent regime running the
    NFL.

  123. OOPS…

    Goodell and the NFL have committed the unforgivable by taking this to court.

    Now haven gotten the Feds involved

    and with the evidence presented,
    including the Wells report,

    the NFL’s ass is flapping in the breeze !!!

    Goodell’s stooges list keeps growing… and growing… and growing

    Sit back bring on the popcorn and enjoy the show 😉

  124. The trolls heads are about to pop off and they are in full meltdown mode as they come to the realization that the nfl’s campaign against Brady is falling apart now that the judge has shunned a flashlight on it. Just about everything that the nfl has done here has been exposed as being deliberately rigged, including the campaign of leaking false information about the balls.

    Great stuff!!

  125. I’m about to make a comment in defense of Pats fans.
    Yesterday I made a comment on a Ravens article, my usual troll way. I checked it today and it was removed. Why? I can say anything I want about the Patriots and PFT posts it and keeps it up but I can’t say things about the Ravens? What exactly is going on here?

  126. chargerdillon says:
    Aug 21, 2015 11:30 AM
    I think it’s great the major distraction Brady is creating for his team, I’m sure this will all work out great for him

    You haven’t been paying attention to the Patriots for these past 15 years if you think they will be side tracked by this. Belichick is a genius at motivating the players and getting them to focus on the game. Brady and the Pats were sharp in yesterday’s practice against the Saints!
    P.S. — a head’s up to the Saints who tweeted ‘#protect the wall’ in support of the Pats yesterday!!!!

  127. Personally, I think Brady has taken a tiny thing and turned it into this major league case. He should have just come out and said,

    “Sure I asked for the balls to be deflated a little bit. Was that wrong? I didn’t realize it. Sorry. I won’t do that again.”

    He would have gotten a slap on the wrist and no one would remember it by now.
    Instead, he decided to take on the commissioner. Is the commissioner supposed to just lie down?

  128. For all the haters and there are plenty of them remember these points.

    1. The NFL chose to let the AFC Championship be played with possibly under inflated balls for a half because they had received notification prior to the game.

    2. Unlike other issues the NFL chose not to notify all the teams that tampering with the balls would be considered a major violation and outlined the consequences.

    3. The NFL was incompetent not knowing about the ideal gas law which is high school science and frankly if you ever had a bike or basketball that sat in the cold you know it caused air loss.

    4. The NFL ‘never’ had any controls over checking and recording ball pressure so they have no baseline to go by to see if anyone tampered with the balls or not. They also used two gauged to measure balls with different results including the four colts balls they tested.

    5. It is not the Ginger Hammers and his minions job to punish a team due to jealousy and suspicions on why they are so successful. Stick to the facts.

    6. Plain and simple this should of been handled as an equipment violation with the on the books fine for such a violation. There is proof a Patriots staff member took the balls into the bathroom but none he tampered. So they had the right to fine for only the equipment violation since the balls should not of been taken into the bathroom.

    7. Hold refs accountable to accurate measurement of balls with representatives from both teams observing the checking of balls to verify they are at that teams psi level within the legal range. Also make sure the refs and league officials maintain control of the balls.

  129. nolasoxfan2012 says:
    Aug 21, 2015 10:16 AM
    This case has forever tarnished any impressions I may have had about the NFL. It has also drastically changed how I think about unions. The NFL is basically trying to ram a completely bogus case down the throat of one of the league’s best players, a case where there is no direct evidence that the player did anything wrong. They conducted a textbook smear campaign right from go against the player, with carefully timed misinformation and outright lies. They then made it impossible for him to defend himself by creating a kangaroo court appeals process where the league gets to review itself. Even if the union agreed to a CBA that technically allowed this kind of behavior, it is absolutely outrageous that the NFL has utilized their powers in such a way. The absence of due process and neutral judgment here is simply breathtaking and un-American. I will never take the NFL office seriously again. I will also become more active in my own union.

    Agreed. Also, every contract — including the CBA — contains an implied covenant of good faith. No player in the NFL agreed that Goodell, even with omnipotent authority, had the right to suspend someone without evidence or that he would act in bad faith (false leaks, moving goal posts, etc) in disciplining someone . No one would understand that the CBA gave Goodell that right. So the CBA cannot be read to have given that kind of irrational authority to Goodell.

  130. What history making comeback? The game is over once Seattle scores

    —-

    28-24. A historical comeback by a deserving Super Bowl MVP. Those things actually did happen. Your “what if’s” and “yeah but’s” lead to conclusions that did not happen so they are completely, absolutely and unequivocally irrelevant.

    28-24. That is what Scoreboard says and Scoreboard trumps everything else. The Patriots are champs and your team is not. We got Scoreboard and you got jack. Deal with it. 🙂

  131. hehateme2 says:
    Aug 21, 2015 11:41 AM
    News have broken that the pats are bugging the visiting locker room too….

    WHEN WILL IT STOP PATRIOTS?

    —-

    That was classless Dungy spouting off about some 10 year old unfounded rumors. Dungy has since backed off his claim and said that there was talk like that about every team including the Colts.
    When will it stop…when the Pats have another ring or two!

  132. Neither side is going to back down.

    Brady will realistically take any reduction that doesn’t require him to admit wrongdoing, because all he can do at this point is protect reputation. The actual penalty is a speeding ticket in the grand scheme of things, but he and the union can call any reduction a win and the NFL giving ground.

    The NFL can’t reduce the penalty without an admission of guilt, because it opens every future penalty for competitive or cooperation violations up to external appeal.

  133. Listen, what all you Pats fans don’t seem to realize is, this was a pretty minor case until there was a lack of cooperation and it started to look like there was a coverup. It Brady had cooperated with the investigation, or even admitted that he likes his balls deflated a little, then this would have been a minor thing and by now we wouldn’t even remember it.

  134. If you are pro-NFL in this argument… then consider if and when Team Brady wins… there would be no chance Goodell will be able to stay on his job.

    And that is something we can all celebrate.

    🙂

  135. hooded12 says:
    Aug 21, 2015 10:32 AM

    It’s funny, we look at the other great dynasties of the 49ers and Steelers, and their run was rank with cheating. Montana admits to his OL using Vasolene on their jerseys, Jerry Rice using Stickum, salary cap violations ~1995, and of course the rampant PED usage for the Steelers, but nobody talks about them. In fact, most fans are reverent in their depictions of those teams.

    Why then is there hatred over the Pats? Is it perhaps that the cheating allegations regarding the other teams surfaced after their dynasty runs were all but over? Or was it something else?

    ————

    This is what I believe to be the main reasons:

    1. Social media
    2. Oversaturation of coverage

    Back in the day of the Steelers great teams there was no ESPN, no internet. We got our sports news mainly from the 5 minute segment of the daily TV news, the daily newspaper, or sporting magazines.

    Back in the days of the 49ers great teams we had ESPN, but not the internet. So the sports news was a little expanded, but not by much.

    Today (and as was present when Spygate happened) we have a vast abundance of sources for sports news sources both on TV and on the internet. Way more “reporters” than ever before. The news is transmitted instantaneously. Pretty much every internet news source has commenting, so every individual now has a place to spout off their own opinion of everything.

    We have pregame analysis of games on these web sites, with the opportunity to trash talk with fans of our team’s opponent. We trash talk during the game. We trash talk after the game.

    It has gotten to the point (and has been like this for a long time) that people will pile on to every iota of dirt that is mentioned about any team, player, coach, official, league representative……because we can. And some people won’t let go, won’t give it a rest.

    As a Patriots fan, I’ve done my share of bantering with fans of their opponent, and more often than not we came out on the winning end of a game and therefore laid claim to ‘bragging rights’. Problem is when people don’t stop bragging. Nobody likes to be on the losing end, and nobody wants it continually rubbed in either. Yet people do it. So when others have a piece of dirt upon which they can assume the upper hand, for them it is time for retaliation.

    When I read stuff like “Patriots fans are the worst”….or that kind of comment about any teams’ fans, I generally assume the person writing it has been on the losing end of a lot of two-way trash talking.

    That’s my 2 cents worth

  136. Not a Patriot fan or a God dell fan either, but RG’s head is as hard as Mount Rushmore. He honestly thinks that he is above any reproach. Can you remember any other commish back to Pete Rozelle who would have acted as stupidly as this clown has? Let Brady play, give the Patriots back their draft pick and only fine TB12 $25,000 and get this over with!!!!! I’m ready for REAL football and not any more of this stupid side show

  137. You gotta love the delusional “Brady cheated – again!” And you can’t argue with them

    2001 – Brady and the Patriots taped a Rams walkthrough – right? (actually no, that never happened but don’t let that stop you from citing it as a fact)

    Oh – then the Tuck Rule, right? Yeah on that one you want the rules BROKEN because it was correctly applied but you don’t LIKE those rules when they don’t penalize the Pats

    2003-2004 Super Bowls – Brady and the Patriots were filming signals illegally right? (actually no – signal filming is legal and all teams do it – as of 2006 there was rule saying you could no longer do it from the sidelines. How you guys assert that a violation of a 2006 rule invalidates Super Bowls when the rule didn’t exist I have no idea)

    2014 – Deflategate – yeah um… Goodell can’t even credibly prove the footballs were deflated. But continue deluding yourselves about that.

    Oh and “Belichick breaks unwritten rules all the time” – yeah folks – you know why they’re unwritten? Because they’re rules that DON’T EXIST

    Geeze – you guys need serious help! God help you if the Judge vacates Brady’s suspension or the NFL settles and exonerates Brady. You’ll have a seizure!!

  138. ring5for50 says:
    Aug 21, 2015 11:24 AM
    Berman is on the Payroll – Bank on it.


    A federal judge being on someone’s payroll would be a felony….I hope you have facts to back up your claim…just in case Berman (the newshound) sees this and decides to sue you for slander.

  139. STILLlolatpatshaters says:
    Aug 21, 2015 11:52 AM
    What history making comeback? The game is over once Seattle scores

    —-
    Darn, I missed the part where Seattle scored! Do you have video you could show us?

  140. So you’re telling me…all those Billionaires are going to walk into court, with all their various Consiglieres, over a 2-bit equipment violation, and open themselves up to federal scrutiny?
    How did things ever get so far?

  141. skawh says:
    Aug 21, 2015 11:32 AM

    Without Butler’s interception, or OC Bevell’s lamed brain play calling, the Pat’s, and Brady, are 0-3 in its last 3 SB’s.

    What history making comeback? The game is over once Seattle scores. Stop being a Brady girl homer.

    ——-

    that doesn’t make any sense. The Patriots were leading when Butler intercepted the ball. Seahawks needed to score to win the game. They didn’t. It is that simple.

    Hightower stopped Lynch on the previous play. There is no telling what might have happened. You can argue Lynch would have scored, I can argue the ensuing kickoff would have been returned for a TD.

    Nobody knows what would have happened if a running play had been called. We can all speculate on the possibilities, but that’s all it is:
    speculation.

  142. marty2020 says:
    Aug 21, 2015 12:01 PM
    Listen, what all you Pats fans don’t seem to realize is, this was a pretty minor case until there was a lack of cooperation and it started to look like there was a coverup. It Brady had cooperated with the investigation, or even admitted that he likes his balls deflated a little, then this would have been a minor thing and by now we wouldn’t even remember it.

    What you don’t seem to realize is….no balls were deflated. Saying you didn’t do it when nothing was done is not a lack of cooperation or a cover up. Wells himself said that Brady and the Patriots cooperated fully. The phone is a red herring thrown out by the NFL to confuse the people who only read the blurbs and not the whole report!

  143. zachari14 says:
    Aug 21, 2015 10:12 AM
    Everyone. let me save you time.

    Literally DOZENS of New England fans will comment here. They will spread disinformation around like so much manure, talking about gas laws they don’t understand and never heard of until 2015, Ted Wells’ integrity, Roger Goodell’s integrity..

    They will muse ignorantly on literally ANYTHING to steer you from the fact that YOU read those text transcripts and that you know Tom Brady destroyed his most recent phone, but not the one prior.

    They are terrified that the past 15 years are a lie, as they should be.

    *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*
    *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*

    First of – yes, many people did not know about the ideal gas law. The problem is, neither did the NFL when readings were taken at 1/2 time. This should have been taken into consideration BEFORE the “leak” of 2# PSI for all the bulbs was inappropriately spread.

    Why wasn’t there readings taken at the end of the game?
    Why were the Colts balls deflated?

    Let me ask you Zach ….

    -You were accused of wrong doing at your job
    -Human Resources drags you into a conference room
    -You are peppered with question after question for HOURS.
    -You are totally forthcoming with what you know.
    -Several months later you are called back in to H.R.
    -They ask for your personal cell phone.

    WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

  144. Brady will lose, either in Berman’s court, on in the federal appeals court. And he’s already lost all credibility in the court of public opinion. He’s done.

  145. Since the Ginger Hammer and his minions like to claim transparency why don’t they release all the data collected by Ted Wells. Including the actual interview with Brady, Coach Belichick and others. Oh I know that is because it contradicts the outcome they wanted so unless forced by the courts or public pressure that will never see the light of day.

  146. sbaltimore says:
    Aug 21, 2015 12:15 PM
    Brady will lose, either in Berman’s court, on in the federal appeals court. And he’s already lost all credibility in the court of public opinion. He’s done.

    You can repost this when Brady is hoisting Lombardy #5…you won’t have long to wait!

  147. Nobody knows what would have happened if a running play had been called. We can all speculate on the possibilities, but that’s all it is:
    speculation.
    ===
    If we’re going to speculate, let’s have fun with it: fumbled exchange scooped and scored by Wilfork.

  148. Why does Goodell still have a job? He could have been fired under Article VIII of their NFL Constitution that says “only a person of unquestioned integrity shall be employed as Commissioner” for any of the lies in this case, nevermind Spygate, Bountygate, Cowboys/Redskins, Ray Rice….

  149. “You would have to be naïve that this commissioner would continue this charade by himself.

    Owners have been involved from the beginning. Whether driven by the Patriots success or Kraft’s alleged influence, they are the silent villains.

    Wood drastically underestimates the impact of social distinctions predicated upon wealth, especially inherited wealth”

    There’s so much happening behind the veil it’s impossible to know who initially created this tar baby. In the beginning it may have been one or two parties but the NFL now owns it. Because of the fraudulent acts of the Commissioner and his staff the fact the NFL filed first in Federal court has left the NFL open to a massive defamation lawsuit and may leave Brady little recourse other than to countersue after the NFLPA wins its little piece of this.

    The owners want parity. Vegas wants parity. Others disparage and diminish the accomplishments of the Patriots out of sheer frustration for their inability to compete on a level playing field. It has led them to resort to using media influence, and to try to use mass hysteria and mob mentality to browbeat the Pats org for the better part of a year into accepting “punishment”, but now they find themselves thwarted by the judge as well as engulfed in a rising tide of incredulity coming from opposing fan bases. Fans want honesty and no cheating, however they can accept losing to a better team. There’s always tomorrow. The public wants parity but they also want their teams and players to earn their place, not have it handed to them. Where’s the fun in that? Mara wanted to use his influence with the judge but stay removed from the process. The Mara and Rooney family have generational ties to licensed bookmaking and organized gambling. There are several NFL teams whose founding owners made their bones from gambling. It’s a pretty good bet these are the same owners who support Goodell.

  150. I guess we can attribute the Patriot’s statistical anomaly on not fumbling to Belichick’s coaching. Because nobody else preaches ball security. Or maybe it’s easier to hold onto a deflated ball.

  151. Brady’s suspension should be removed, Goodell fired and the Patriots awarded an automatic first round playoff bye as part of the NFL’s punishment… 🙂

  152. To me, this would seem like an unfair, unilateral imposition onto the NFL to have a requirement to have its representative committee in attendance but not require a similar commission from the NFLPA. Why does Judge Berman not impose a request for all 32 Player Association Reps come to New York as well? You do have certain NFL Player Reps (i.e. John Sullivan – though he is an alternate) publicly advocating for a settlement by Brady.

    This is not a one-sided issue with all of the NFL players rallying behind Brady and the Association. Just like owners may have varying opinions on this subject, players do as well. Therefore, it would seem incredibly biased for a judge to force “moderate” and “liberal” members of one party to attend yet not emplace a similar imposition on the other party to the suit. Also, in placing this burden on both parties, I think it would force both sides to settle this trivial matter. Owners and coaches will not want players being whisked away for what most perceive to be trivial trial purposes, and players do not want to be losing practice time – as “next man up” may take their job in this fickle league.

  153. Every couple days everyone on here screams and believes THIS is the day Goodell is getting fired! or whatever quote from whoever in the NFL office is always “Goodell trying to save his job!” People have been so adamant and so sure for almost 2 years now that Goodell is getting fired ANY DAY NOW. lol

    Truth of the matter is, Goodell’s job is just as safe today as it was 2 years ago and Goodell is NOT going anywhere!

    The 32 Owners that put him in his position did so for ONE specific reason. and regardless of how bad he is at handling any/all number of issues that happen in the NFL, Goodell is VERY GOOD at the one thing in particular the Owners count on him for…….MAKING THE OWNERS MORE MONEY!

    The owners make more money on a daily basis with Goodell than they have or will with any other possible candidate for his job at this moment.

    The Owners are the only authority who can demote or strip Goodell of his position and the Owners will continue doing what they have been doing for the last 2 years. They will say what they need to when convenient about not getting into any issue for any number of reason and consistantly suggest and agree that any issue be handled better with the people involved, yet its not their issue and they’re just focusing on their team and the season ahead. and regardless of what they say pro/neg, or who/what they support. in the end, just as always they will stand straight and continue to say and claim that Roger Goodell is successful as NFL Commissioner and he continues to have their support going forward.

    This will continue until all 32 owners find someone and agree that that new someone can make them even $1 more a day than Roger Goodell.

    I am sorry but, Roger is Very safe.

  154. “What determined whether Brady was MVP or not was a play where he wasn’t even on the field and a fellow teammate saved the game for the Pats.

    I remember when Manning won his for basically showing up.”

    Yes, they seem to always default to the QB unless some other player has an absolute monster game.

    That said, Brady did throw fro 350 yards and 4 TDs against the best defense in the league, so it’s not as if he didn’t also earn it.

  155. hooded12 says:
    Aug 21, 2015 10:32 AM

    “It’s funny, we look at the other great dynasties of the 49ers and Steelers, and their run was rank with cheating….”

    ——————————

    Bingo! In fact, Terry Bradshaw’s autobiography talks about them deflating footballs all the time, and I have a book by Bill Walsh that talks about them turning off the other teams’ headsets during home games.

  156. The Wells report contradicts alot of what Goodell has said. here are many inconsistencies within what Goodell has said that can be proven. It is very simple there is precedent for punishing those who tamper with balls and are evasive. That precedent is a 20K fine like the Chargers got in 2012. If that happened when this broke we aren’t talking about this now.

  157. babygaga19 says:
    Aug 21, 2015 11:15 AM
    ….
    Just like the Hatfield v McCoys, this has become “hate” without reason or understanding and Jesus Christ, don’t you people have actual lives that require your attention on things you can control? Grow up. Your addiction to this story is mind boggling.
    =========================
    Yes. We are addicted. The league is working on a 12-step program to cure us. But hopefully we can cheat and complete it in 10.

  158. “Brady’s suspension should be removed, Goodell fired and the Patriots awarded an automatic first round playoff bye as part of the NFL’s punishment…”

    They don’t need that award because they usually earn a bye in the first round.

  159. tbradysgay says:
    Aug 21, 2015 10:51 AM
    Berman must have money on the Patriots and knows QB Carapola sucks.

    ____________________________

    Here is an expample of someone or thing not playing with a full deck.

  160. Funny headline, given nowhere within the other article does it state that Mara’s involvement was brought on at the request of Berman. More than likely, this is a all coming from the NFLPA & Brady’s lawyers.

    And, if it was brought on by Berman…then it would signal his weakness in this circumstance. It would suggest that the NFL’s position is clearly supported in law. He might like Shady-Brady & want to help that side of the argument…but legally is bound to only apply pressure from less direct ways…rather than attempting to singlehandedly overturn a century of precedent laws that support the concepts of arbitration & CBA’s.

  161. Judges, Lawyers, Politicians, Cops never take bribes – EVER – Do They????????????
    ===
    You can probably count on one hand the number of federal judges convicted of accepting bribes in the last 30 years.

    And before you say, “Yeah… but that just means they weren’t convicted,” realize that accusing a federal judge of accepting a bribe when he hasn’t is potentially defamation.

  162. There is a parallel between the NFL lawyers saying Mara would not be available for the next hearing and Goodell ruling Pash did not have to testify in the arbitration hearing.

    We all know how Judge Berman reacted to Pash not testifying.

    The NFL has conceded defeat in this round and will likely appeal. The NFL likes to be the ones asking the questions, not answering them. They see themselves as above the players, the court, and the fans.

  163. What amazes me is that people make comments without even taking the time to know the real facts. Why?

    Don’t be so lazy a do a little research before you make your comment.

    You guys are like ESPN & Sport Center Reporters. You don’t have to be that intelligent to be a reporter but you do need to be accurate and verify your stories.
    That’s all they really have going for them. It separates the good reporters for the bad reporters.

  164. Harve Gulch Cowboy says:
    Aug 21, 2015 12:31 PM

    I guess we can attribute the Patriot’s statistical anomaly on not fumbling to Belichick’s coaching. Because nobody else preaches ball security. Or maybe it’s easier to hold onto a deflated ball.
    ________________________________________

    From 2007 through 2014 the Patriots fumbled the football on 1.14% of offensive plays at home, and on 1.08% of offensive plays on the road. Since the home team supplies the ball attendants for both teams, there is no way for the Patriots to deflate footballs when playing on the road. Yet the Pats fumble rate is actually slightly better when away from home!

    This leaves just two possibilities. Either a slightly deflated football isn’t easier to hold onto (contrary to what you wrote), or the Patriots haven’t been deflating footballs. It’s your choice … pick one.

  165. The Supreme Court/Garvey case goes so far as to say that “even when the arbitrator’s “procedural aberrations rise to the level of affirmative misconduct,” a federal judge may not “interfere with an arbitrator’s decision that the parties [players and owners] bargained for.”

    Brady’s case is weak. The NFL’s case is strong. And even if Berman decides to rule in Brady’s favor, it’ll be overturned on appeal.

  166. One question nobody seems to be asking is why hasn’t anyone in the Colts organization been suspended or even investigated? Why haven’t the Colts lost a first round draft pick or been fined a million dollars? After all according to the Well’s report 4 of the Colts balls were tested at half time and 3 of the 4 were found to be under 12.5 psi. Obviously it didn’t fit the narrative that the NFL was going for so they stopped testing the Colts balls.

  167. Maybe he wants to talk with an owner who’s sober…

    That leaves Kraft and Irsay out.

    Salute.

  168. When the air is filled with Subpoenas delivered to the NFL Owners Ruling Council requiring them to show up in court to testify as to their involvement in this conspiracy, THAT will be a newsworthy media day.

    I wonder how much damage this will do to the NFL brand as well as if any criminal interstate conspiracy charges will then be investigated by the FBI on the owners who comprise the NFL Ruling Council, Goodell, his ex-Jets NFL staffers, and on Ted Wells for conducting an illegal enterprise?

    Could the NFL’s DeflateGate conspiracy to go after the Patriots and Brady at any cost turn into a huge exposure of an NFL backroom conspiracy orchestrated by these owners?
    John Mara
    Jerry Jones
    Bob McNair
    Arthur Blank
    Stephen Ross
    Dan Rooney
    Jim Irsay
    Woody Johnson
    Mark Murphy, Packers CEO

    Can you imagine the criminal charges and civil lawsuits that this conspiracy would bring before these owners would force and payoff Goodell to fall on a sword for them to take the full blame?

    And if Goodell refused to be the fall guy but protesting that he was merely following orders, then Goodell would simply vanish just like Jimmy Hoffa did decades ago.

  169. dandeman19 says:
    Aug 21, 2015 1:50 PM

    If as you say the NFL’s case is strong then why are they the one’s getting roasted by the judge?
    __
    Simple. Judges prefer settlements. (They also don’t like to be overruled on appeal.) The NFL is least likely to consider settling because its case is strong. Therefore, the judge is specifically targeting the NFL to try to get it to move off the spot. But because the NFL knows its case is strong, it doesn’t need to move off the spot. So when it’s all said and done, Berman will most likely find in favor of the NFL because, as noted above, judges don’t like to be overruled. And Berman knows there’s a ton of legal precedent to do just that.

  170. Because someone needs to…. plain and simple. Goodell operates like a petulant child.. suspended Browner for a year for not participating in the off season drug program when he was playing in Canada.. now Brady for not giving up his phone..it all BS!!!!!

  171. “Why would Judge Berman go over Goodell’s head?”…. season tickets in some cushy luxury box from Kraft maybe… who the hell knows.

  172. “Misco” refers to United Paperworkers v Misco, Inc., a 1987 SCOTUS case upholding the outcome of a binding arbitration and overturning two lower courts that vacated the ruling.

  173. When the owners settled for Goodell in 2006 they weren’t looking for competence, they were looking for someone who could keep them out of court.

  174. And Berman knows there’s a ton of legal precedent to do just that.
    ===
    There’s also precedent for remanding case to arbitration when the initial arbitration was found to be procedurally faulty. And the NFL has given him more than enough if he wants to take that course.

  175. It’s taking longer than I thought. But that’s OK. Judge Berman is just being thorough. Brady wins. Patriots recoup $1million (+interest). All legal fees pain by NFL. League has to apologize to Brady.
    Now let’s go play some football.

    PS. I know even Limakey agrees with me.

  176. The Supreme Court/Garvey case goes so far as to say that “even when the arbitrator’s “procedural aberrations rise to the level of affirmative misconduct,” a federal judge may not “interfere with an arbitrator’s decision that the parties [players and owners] bargained for.”
    ===
    While you have derived these words from Garvey (citing Misco), you have gutted the quote and altered its meaning. The sentence – in its original context – means that courts should not simply substitute their own judgement for an arbitrator’s award when procedural defects are found. The next sentence – in context – says that instead, the court should vacate the award and remand the case back for further arbitration – hopefully, with the procedural defect corrected.

    Don’t gut quotes in ways that alter their meaning, and always read the whole decision.

  177. there have been zero owners come out and support Kraft and his views that im aware of and every single owner asked has given full support to Goodell .. not sure bringing any owner in is a smart for settlement talks at this point. billionaires tend to not be very reasonable when their authority is challenged and a check cant clear that up for em.

  178. sbaltimore says:
    Aug 21, 2015 1:42 PM

    The Supreme Court/Garvey case goes so far as to say that “even when the arbitrator’s “procedural aberrations rise to the level of affirmative misconduct,” a federal judge may not “interfere with an arbitrator’s decision that the parties [players and owners] bargained for.”

    Brady’s case is weak. The NFL’s case is strong. And even if Berman decides to rule in Brady’s favor, it’ll be overturned on appeal.
    ————————–

    The players didn’t agree that the Commissioner could lie, be arbitrary and capricious, jump to the wrong conclusions, and hold back key information or refuse to let relevant people be questioned at appeal hearings.

    If you were following along and actually paying attention, you would know that Judge Berman has lambasted the NFL for all of that.

    So no, the NFL’s case is not strong at all.

  179. ebdug says:
    Aug 21, 2015 2:20 PM

    When the owners settled for Goodell in 2006 they weren’t looking for competence, they were looking for someone who could keep them out of court.
    ————————

    I guess that backfired on them. Big time.

  180. sbaltimore says:
    Aug 21, 2015 2:04 PM
    dandeman19 says:
    Aug 21, 2015 1:50 PM

    If as you say the NFL’s case is strong then why are they the one’s getting roasted by the judge?
    __
    Simple. Judges prefer settlements. (They also don’t like to be overruled on appeal.) The NFL is least likely to consider settling because its case is strong. Therefore, the judge is specifically targeting the NFL to try to get it to move off the spot. But because the NFL knows its case is strong, it doesn’t need to move off the spot. So when it’s all said and done, Berman will most likely find in favor of the NFL because, as noted above, judges don’t like to be overruled. And Berman knows there’s a ton of legal precedent to do just that.

    —————–
    The NFL’s case is strong?

    1) They admitted that they have zero evidence trying Brady to anything.

    2) They can’t even show that any deflation occurred unless they assume Anderson measured the balls with the gauge he claimed he did not use.

    3) There is zero precedent for such a punishment for what amounts to an equipment violation (even though they have not proven any such violation occurred).

    The NFL has no case.

  181. marianfl24 says:
    Aug 21, 2015 10:15 AM
    According to Russo, most NFL owners are on commissioner Roger Goodell’s side in keeping Brady’s suspension at four games.

    “I have no idea how [the trial] is going to turn out,” Russo said. “I don’t think there’s going to be any negotiation. I think Goodell is steadfast that he’s going to do what he has to do here with the four games, I know John Mara is and he loves Mara. I know Mara well, Mara is completely behind Goodell, so is Jerry Jones and Jerry Jones has been killed with the salary cap and getting fined by Goodell. I’m sure Daniel Snyder wants to make sure Brady takes his punishment after he got nailed with the salary cap issues a few years ago. Most owners are on Goodell’s side so he won’t move. Brady can’t move, so I don’t know what’s going to occur.”
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    Goodell is steadfast alright. Like the Titanic. Band is playing as the ship goes down. Colossal blunder.

  182. I would absolutely LOVE it if Berman made ALL 32 owners show up on the 31st !! I would pay top watch that!

  183. smasonsmith says:
    Aug 21, 2015 2:30 PM

    And Berman knows there’s a ton of legal precedent to do just that.
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    There’s also precedent for remanding case to arbitration when the initial arbitration was found to be procedurally faulty. And the NFL has given him more than enough if he wants to take that course.
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    We’ll know soon enough, won’t we?

  184. Also, I keep hearing the “majority of owners” are backing Goodell meanwhile I count- Dallas, NY and NY, Balt, Indy, Den and maybe a few others but hardly “The Majority”.

  185. Nah that’s alright, just have Judge Berman rule against the league, throw out the suspension, and disallow them from further punitive actions over the investigation. That’ll be better NFL.

  186. patrick102977 says:
    Aug 21, 2015 3:01 PM

    there have been zero owners come out and support Kraft and his views that im aware of and every single owner asked has given full support to Goodell .. not sure bringing any owner in is a smart for settlement talks at this point. billionaires tend to not be very reasonable when their authority is challenged and a check cant clear that up for em.
    ———————-

    Goodellbot just perpetrated a witch-hunt, with zero evidence of wrongdoing, against the quarterback of the team whose owner, everyone claims, is BFFs with Goodellbot.

    What owner is going to be publicly critical of Goodellbot, when he would do that to Robert Kraft?

    It’s like High Noon with these owners.

  187. Actually the NFL did set precedent. In 2012 they fined the Chargers 20K They did not investigate they did not ask Rivers for his phone etc…..

  188. We’ll know soon enough, won’t we?
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    For certain, yes, but you still shouldn’t misrepresent what Garvey held in the mean time.

  189. Comical…Mara is just 1 owner who doesn’t even agree with a reduction. In fact, they would be hard pressed trying to find an owner outside of N.E. or Green Bay (teams with QB’s who have either been caught or admitted to altering game balls) who would say they agree a reduction would be a good thing. The entire league is fully aware that Brady & the Patriots getting away with cheating will be very, very bad for business. That would prove to too many people that the NFL doesnt care about fairness. And regardless to what the Bostonians think…their small population of Shady supporters doesnt come close to offsetting that quantity of lost viewers!!!

  190. All I wish for is to have faith in the system. If you see both arguments there are at least as many holes if not more in the NFL’s case. IF I have faith in the system and if you catch my Pats at wrongdoing like in 07 then by all means deal with them. But as I see the NFL’s case it is so very easy to poke holes in it. I’ll give you a freebie. The Colts had 3 of 4 balls also under yet nothing done to them. Why?

  191. Rightttt…..cause I can see all the fans of all the teams (Steelers, Ravens, Cowboys etc….) saying “We’re going to watch our local product cause the NFL is trying to screw Boston. LOL How delusional!

  192. smasonsmith says:
    Aug 21, 2015 4:58 PM

    We’ll know soon enough, won’t we?
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    For certain, yes, but you still shouldn’t misrepresent what Garvey held in the mean time.
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    You’re funny.

  193. NB for SBALT: See Daniel Wallach’s tweets today on how Garvey is distinguishable from Brady. Quite enlightening.

  194. smasonsmith says:
    Aug 21, 2015 5:43 PM

    NB for SBALT: See Daniel Wallach’s tweets today on how Garvey is distinguishable from Brady. Quite enlightening.
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    The problem with the “evident partiality” claim by the NFLPA is that the NFLPA GAVE Goodel PARTIALITY AUTHORITY. He doesn’t HAVE to be an IMPARTIAL arbitrator AS PER THE CBA. He has to be fair, and I think under the circumstances he’s been more than fair. He could have upped the 4 game suspension after the appeal hearing, but chose not to. And he could have/should have banned Belichick for at least a year based upon the Bountygate suspension of Payton, but didn’t. (THAT’S the real elephant in the room. With all this Brady talk, no one is pressing how/why Belichick skated while Payton sat out an entire season).

    You’ve also got the lack of believability of Brady himself, which Berman touched on a while back. (i.e. Berman doesn’t believe for a second that the ball guys did anything to the balls without Brady’s direction, whether it’s been “proven” or not.)

    And looking at the language of the NFLPA’s response (i.e. “propaganda piece” and “smear campaign”)…that’s the language of a desperate case, not a strong case.

    But again…we’ll all know soon enough, so there’s o point arguing or debating it much further, is it?

  195. redsghost says:
    Aug 21, 2015 5:23 PM

    Rightttt…..cause I can see all the fans of all the teams (Steelers, Ravens, Cowboys etc….) saying “We’re going to watch our local product cause the NFL is trying to screw Boston. LOL How delusional!
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    It’s not a matter of lost viewers; but it IS a matter of a LOT of ANGRY viewers. You do know that every away game for the Pats is going to be replete with signs of “CHEATERS” “LIARS” etc., don’t you? And do you think THAT’S good for business?

  196. When the Pats have away games they’ll be visiting stadiums where the haters will be obvious replete with cheaters signs. When that happens cue the hypocrisy. Oh but their teams never cheat

  197. dandeman19 says:
    Aug 21, 2015 6:55 PM

    When the Pats have away games they’ll be visiting stadiums where the haters will be obvious replete with cheaters signs. When that happens cue the hypocrisy. Oh but their teams never cheat
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    As has been pointed out repeatedly…it isn’t the cheating per se. Sure. All teams cheat. It’s the arrogance of lying on top of the cheating; demanding apologies from the league after getting caught cheating — again; decrying not getting quid pro quo deals on public TV; and getting caught cheating and punished more than any other NFL franchise in history. THAT’S the difference. And the other owners, and all the other fans, have had enough of the “tuck rule”, the phantom roughing the passer penalties that Brady cries for before he even hits the ground, and the pervasive culture of cheating that defines the N.E. PatriNOTS. There’s no hypocrisy outside of N.E.; just a total disgust for the N.E. franchise. Nobody hates true dynasties for their achievements; everybody hates arrogant cheaters and liars.

  198. Then how does one explain away the false report of 11 out of 12 balls being 2 lbs under and that report lasted about 6 months til it was contradictedand the NFL wasn’t arrogant for that time?

  199. dandeman19 says:
    Aug 21, 2015 7:20 PM

    Then how does one explain away the false report of 11 out of 12 balls being 2 lbs under and that report lasted about 6 months til it was contradictedand the NFL wasn’t arrogant for that time?
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    You really just don’t get it, do you?

  200. The tuck rule? that wasn’t even cheating TB crying? for phantom roughing the passer you think that is anew concept? See Kenny Stabler and the Pats playoff game. Culture of cheating once in 10 yrs not a culture. You say all teams cheat yet the Pats who have cheated less than most are the only team with a culture of cheating. Sorry the other teams have cheated more and been punished about as much. See the sight yourteamcheats.com Het I just saw your name the Ravens have cheated much more the the Pats 2 challengegates anyone?

  201. He has to be fair, and I think under the circumstances he’s been more than fair.
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    You have your opinion, but it is wrong. He does, per the FAA still need to be impartial, but even assuming he doesn’t Goodell the arbitrator was not fair. A fair arbitrator allows Pash to be questioned. A fair arbitrator doesn’t dismiss the Vincent question out of hand. A fair arbitrator brings in the investigators notes. A fair arbitrator doesn’t publicly praise the investigative documents prior to judging the arbitration.

    How unfair does it need to be to be illegal? That’s at least three, maybe four pegs for Berman to hang vacation on. He only needs one.

    As for “he could have raised it,” no he couldn’t have. Florio already addressed that. It would have been double jeopardy, and probably violated FAA. That’s not how arbitration work.

    And no: Berman never referred to Brady as not believable, nor does he actually think the balls were deflated. I’ve read the entire transcript from the first hearing. Whenever he refers to the deflation, it’s as a hypothetical – but that’s neither here nor there, because that’s a matter of fact – and he has to accept it a such, even if it’s hard for him to do so. From the second hearing the judge in fact to believe that Brady actually had nothing to do with anything because there’s no evidence that he did.

    Imagine that…

    Stop reading Munson. He’s polluting your mind. Read some actual lawyers that haven’t been disbarred.

  202. NFL apologists no I can’t fathom how they think. I have never said the Pats don’t cheat they have. I just see the holes in the NFL’s case.

  203. For those arguing that Brady take two games …. why? There is no proof, none, that there was a scheme, a plan, any subterfuge at all.

    People can’t get out of their head the completely false report of 2 PSI per ball. They are also completely disregarding the science and the fact that of the four Colts balls that were looked at were under the legal limit.

    If it is true that Brady likes the ball at the legal minimum then the balls are going to dip under the legal limit – thats what happens in cold weather. My guess is that there have been games happening for decades where the balls slip below the minimum and guess what NOBODY CARES.

    That said, Brady acted like a spoiled kid and while Brett Farve got a fine for lack of cooperation in a sexual harassment case (a touch more serious than this) Brady is willing to take a game for that. More than reasonable.

    Goodell has NO interest in settling. He is going to lose and will simply take it to the next court, make up a new story (which he and his lawyers have been doing all along) and hope for the best.

  204. why doesn’t the NE Patriots as a team stand up 4 Brady and tell Goodell they will forfeit games if this travesty of justice isn’t forgiven I think that would b pretty cool and I’m not a NEfan

  205. The strength of the NFL position in the litigation is indisputable. It is based on powerful legal precedents that severely limit a federal judge’s review of an arbitration decision and on the convincing evidence gathered for the Wells report and described in surprisingly powerful terms in Goodell’s decision.
    The limits on a federal judge’s authority over an arbitration decision are well established. Brady and the union lawyers want Berman to reconsider everything in Goodell’s 20-page opinion. The legal term for the Brady demand is a hearing “de novo.” It means a do-over, and a do-over is exactly what Berman is not permitted to do under American law.

    So suck it up Patidoit you lose.

  206. Report comment

    baltimorons says:
    Aug 21, 2015 10:06 AM

    What a waste of my taxpayer money. Fess up Brady. It’s not the first or last time your name will be associated with cheating

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    Correct, I expect it each time we beat the ravens.

  207. eagleswin says:
    Aug 21, 2015 10:04 AM
    I always thought the Superbowl MVP was a rather dodgy award.

    What determined whether Brady was MVP or not was a play where he wasn’t even on the field and a fellow teammate saved the game for the Pats.eagleswin says: Aug 21, 2015 10:04 AM

    “I always thought the Superbowl MVP was a rather dodgy award.”

    “What determined whether Brady was MVP or not was a play where he wasn’t even on the field and a fellow teammate saved the game for the Pats.”

    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

    You cannot name an MVP for a single play regardless how crucial it was. It’s a collection of plays that help the team win the game. Without Brady’s 4th quarter TD’s, the Malcolm Bulter play would not mean anything! If you argue Julian Edelman being the MVP, I would say that’s a valid candidate. Did you even watch the entire game?

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