Feely’s presence may have been a useful coincidence for Brady, NFLPA

AP

On the surface, free-agent kicker Jay Feely attended Monday’s settlement conference in his capacity as a member of the NFL Players Association’s Executive Committee. At a deeper level, Feely may have served a more important purpose in connection with the interests of Patriots quarterback Tom Brady.

As noted last month, the NFLPA’s initial court filing challenging the Brady suspension pointed out that the NFL suspended a Jets equipment employee in 2009, after an attempt “to use unapproved equipment to prep the K[icking] Balls” in a game against (you guessed it) the Patriots. The NFL did not investigate or discipline the Jets kicker for “general awareness” or specific involvement in the attempted violation of the rules, even though the Jets kicker was the player most likely to benefit from the behavior and, in turn, the player most likely to be aware of the conduct.

Coincidentally, the Jets kicker at the time was Jay Feely.

The incident wasn’t mentioned during Monday’s proceedings in open court. It’s possible that the incident was discussed behind closed doors with Judge Richard M. Berman, given the similarities between the two situations.

In Feely’s case, investigating or disciplining the player wasn’t even considered, even though Feely may have known all about the infraction. (And, if he did, he could have shared his knowledge of the situation directly with Judge Berman.) For Brady, simply being the guy who benefited from an equipment violation made him the focal point of an investigation that, by all appearances, was a prosecution.

It’ll be interesting to see whether Judge Berman mentioned the 2009 incident in his written ruling on the Brady case. On Monday, he happened to have in his chambers the man who occupied the same position as Brady does in the present controversy.

115 responses to “Feely’s presence may have been a useful coincidence for Brady, NFLPA

  1. The judges out is the procedural violations that the NFL made. Front and center is suspending someone for general awareness of someones else conduct. And suspending someone for an equipment violation that is just a fineable offense. So the judge will fins that the Commissioner has the right to impose discipline, but hot the right to ignore procedure, the CBA and past practice….

  2. “It’s possible that the incident was discussed behind closed doors with Judge Richard M. Berman,”

    The Jets kicker incident is included in the NFLPA/Brady filings.

  3. Think no other teams had video taped signals during a game?

    Or had a pay for performance program in violation of the “bounty rule”?

    Or manipulated game balls?

    Selectively enforcing the rules and inconsistent punishment is the staple of Goodell’s NFL. No press is bad press.

  4. Just shows the hypocrisy of the NFL. Stayed tuned tomorrow for another episode of “As the NFL turns.” If it proves anything, its that the NFL was out to get Brady right from the start. Why else would they want Brady to admit guilt if they claim they already proved his guilt, makes you wonder.

  5. This is unbelievable. I mean, I’m a life long pats fan, and I had never heard about this Jets “equipment violation” until this article, but deflategate is a national obsession

  6. Actually,t he player MOST likely to be aware of the condition of kicking balls is the HOLDER, not the kicker. Ask Tony Romo.

  7. Kensil, Gardi, Vincent, Harbaugh, Pagano, Grigson, et al, wanted to hurt the Patriots
    …period. None of this has or would ever happen to another team.

    Too many ex-Jets and other league execs and owners who want to get at the Patriots in some way and try to stop them from winning. Taking away draft picks and the franchise QB does the trick. It’s despicable.

  8. In the end, that is what stinks about this. Why dig so hard in this, and only this, case? The League could have stopped the whole matter by perfectly legitimately saying, the balls were within the expected range (both the Colts and the Pats balls), so tampering seems unlikely here. Teams are warned we are going to tighten up on this. End of story.

    Feely and the Jets skated. Rogers wasn’t even questioned for admitting that he tried on a regular basis to circumvent the PSI rule (based on official incompetence or indifference, admittedly, but nevertheless, he was trying – and succeeding – at breaking the very same rule). On and on. IF Brady is obfuscating (and I don’t think he is), he was really put in a corner by the League, which leaked false info and ginned up a fire storm of media hysteria against a player who is on the Rushmore of the sport. In the long run, whatever happens, I don’t think Goodell will ever live this down.

  9. Another example of the NFL’s using a double standard and selective enforcement of league rules.

    At what point do the people say “Why are you trying to screw up the sport we love?”

    Even the hater’s must know right from wrong. This smells worse than a frat on Sunday morning after a kegger.

    Can’t we just play some football?

  10. To quote Mike Florio:
    “…against (you guessed it) the Patriots.”

    Even when they are not at fault, cheating just seems to be a part of their collective consciousness. It follows them around.

  11. Reality is…

    Brady probably told his guy: “Dude make sure the balls aren’t over-inflated”.

    The “Deflator”, probably sticks a needle in for a second or so, and goes on his merry way.

    Truth is…

    The Colts management wouldn’t care about these details if they could figure out a way to win football games.

    The NFL office and media contributed to a story being way more than it should of been.

    The problem is…

    The NFL’s policy on personal conduct and discipline is unbalanced AND subject to public opinion (eg. Ray Rice). It comes across as capricious.

    The solution…

    We as fans let our respective teams and the NFL know about our displeasure with the NFL’s procedures.

    Whether you are a Brady fan or not, Deflategate has turned into an Orwellian out-of-control regime.

    BOYCOTT the weeks that Brady is suspended! BOYCOTT! BOYCOTT!

  12. Has anyone noticed a pattern in appeal hearings from independent arbitrators based upon league decisions on player discipline?

    If a coach had Goodell’s record, he’d be in the unemployment line.

    Owners, how’s that $40M+ annual salary for Roger tasting?

  13. Judge Berman has already made a decision but is probably still hesitant to release it to the public for many reasons. Tom Brady gave it his all so no matter what happens, he’s still the greatest quarterback in NFL history based on his entire NFL career resumé. The narrative that “Tom Brady is clearly a cheater” isn’t fair to hold over Tom Brady until there’s a final ruling without any appeals…

  14. I’m shocked, shocked that the cabal of former Nee York jet flunkies that run the NFL, looked the other way when the Jets allegedly tampered with footballs, but stripped draft picks and went to Federal Court when similar allegations were made of the Patriots.

    How pathetic are the New York Jets as an organization that they can’t win 8 games a year even with the NFL front office supporting them in every way possible, while conspiring to undermine their greatest rival.

    Goodell has turned the NFL into a joke.

  15. It is surreal what the NFL has used for “comparable” rules violations in this case. Why are they comparing it steroids, which have such a clear performance advantage? Just because they can?

    The violation lines up perfectly with Jay Feely’s. Introducing unapproved equipment. It warranted a $9000 team penalty then and, with inflation, the golden boy would have happily forked over $1M to end this silly federal case.

    This should have been over Monday morning after the game. Why did they have to ruin Superbowl week again?

  16. They also roomed together in college and Brady was in his wedding. So I would also say they are friends.
    Good for Feely to be there in all those capacities.
    Let’s just hope justice prevails and Brady wins.

  17. WTH, Florio?!? The two situations are completely different! Feely was never directly implicated. Brady was. The Jets equipment people didn’t have cute nicknames and texts implicating Feely. The Patriots did. Feely never destroyed evidence. Brady did.

    Other than in every detail and facts, the two situations are identical…

  18. That would count as precedent in some capacity, wouldn’t it?

    Since the NFL’s entire argument here is to set precedent for punishment on players that affect the integrity of the game, it seems they’ve already screwed themselves by not attempting to set the precedent when this happened in ’09.

    If anything, they set the opposite precedent.

    Precedent.

  19. Not a coincidence when Feely hasn’t attended any other hearings but he goes to the last one before judge makes a decision. Nice way to shed light on NFLs abuse of power when owners and coaches cry loud enough.
    Hmmmm dare I say this has a Belichick mind game scent to it.

  20. Sounds like Judge Berman has everything he needs to vacate the suspension. Feely’s presence in court—besides the fact that he’s known Brady since their Michigan days—just underscores how far out on a limb Goodell and the NFL have wandered.

  21. So?????

    What about spygate? What happened to ZERO tolerance about cheating from that?
    So I could really care less about Jay Feely unless he played for the Patriots ,which he didn’t!!

  22. There’s no certainty that Brady benefitted from a violation at all. Just that balls were below min required levels by halftime. Taking the shoddy and careless way the league managed the game balls and the game time conditions there’s no reason to conclude or even suspect that anything was done to violate air pressure regulations. Yet another embarrassing mess and Goodells biggest lie yet that should send the tyrant packing.

  23. Really! Is that it. I bet there was was no nearly new phones destroyed on this ball tampering investigation. Regardless of when balls were deflated and what time of the season the infamous texts occurred the content of the texts told us that Brady was very aware of what was going on. Next to the Hoody, Brady knows everything that goes on especially his footballs. Get your head out of the sand and take in some fresh air.

  24. Anyone who looks at all of the details and feigns that Brady is being treated fairly has no moral compass and no integrity.

    #FireGoodell
    #NoIntegrity
    #WitchHunt

  25. So the next time someone commits murder.. they’re defense should bringing in someone who got away with murder? “He never went to jail, why should I?!”

    Not that it matters, but if a few days after the game, it came out that Jay Feeley had texted and thanked his “deflator” and sent him gifts for his efforts… he probably would have been suspended too. Just my guess though.

    On a side note.. why on earth are people even trying to defend Brady here? He clearly lied, he clearly destroyed evidence to cover that lie? This isn’t a criminal court where you need absolute proof… in the NFL world, he’s guilty.

  26. Sad times for the NFL. I have to admit that I was pretty amused by this whole thing as it developed. I’ve come to understand Pats fans, the media and their treatment of teams and players, and PR generally, much better.

    At this point it’s just sad and old. Yes, I think they did it. Yes, I think Brady and his fanboys can make a case he wasn’t generally aware. It’s just a game folks, meant to entertain, and this is OJ level drama where no one wins.

    I wish I could see this as a vehicle for settling the power struggle and stopping this nonsense but I don’t. I see more escalation from here. Too much money and power at stake.

  27. Brady wasn’t “simply being the guy who benefitted from an equipment violation”, there were texts allegedly implicating Brady in face to face meetings with Jastremski, McNally – asking TweedleDum via Tweedle Dee shoe size (size 11), tickets and jersey preference as awards for performance.

    That appears to be more intricate and involved than just affected by another persons actions…

  28. The issue should be whether or not there was a deliberate effort by Brady, and involving McNally and Jastremski, to circumvent the rules.

    If so, the extent to which they did, and/or the extent to which it may have or may not have helped, are irrelevant.

    If there was no such effort, Brady should suffer no penalties whatsoever.

    If however there was such an effort, and given Belichick’s and the Pats’ general history of trodding upon the integrity of the rules of the game, then the penalty needs to be at least what is in place now.

    As they say, locks are meant to keep the honest people out. Rules are meant to keep everyone on the same page in competition. When teams, coaches, or players routinely flaunt those rules in their own self-centered interests and against the interests of the greater organization or society, then it has become a significant problem.

    It really is that simple.

  29. Do you where stickum to keep you up on that high horse SDISME? you are out of your mind if you think the Pats are the only ones wo look for an advantage..in fact it’s documented in your team cheats.com….Can’t beat’em whine about it…

  30. PSI has never affected the outcome of a game. If you feel otherwise, you’re pretty ignorant. No one cares about PSI for 95 years of NFL history, then all of the sudden it’s closely tied to the “integrity of the game” – even though there is no proper protocol in place, refs are over inflating balls per the wells report, and the league just recently learned about the ideal gas law.

    If it wasn’t the Patriots, no one would care. See above…

  31. whitetrash69 says:
    Aug 31, 2015 11:55 PM
    Were the Jets warned like the Pats? did another team file an official complaint about the Jets like the Pats? Was the Jets equipment manager seen taking the footballs in a locked room like the Pats? Was there a known rumor among NFL teams about the Jets tampering like the Pats? Have the Jets previously and regularly jeopardized the integrity of the sport like the Pats?
    Sorry, serial cheaters get treated differently, suck it up and start playing by the rules, Pats.

    Cry all you want but the Patriots’ legacy IS cheating, you don’t like it? Grow a spine and tell the owner.

    ____

    Its hard to argue with people when they make things up out of thin air and cannot think constructively.

    You just have to stop and realize they cannot be reasoned with.

    Good luck!

  32. Actually, the Patriots’ legacy is winning with a jealous league led by an NFL office filled with vindictive former employees of the Jets pissed off because their toeing the line wasn’t nearly as successful as the Patriots. (Cheered on, of course, by the drug-induced Irsay-led Colts or whiny Harbaugh-led Ravens of the world who suffer no consequences for breaking the rules or who just change them when it suits them.)
    As several cases have already been pointed out, the Patriots are just better than your team. It’s not cheating if they’re better executors no matter what you’d like to call it. Sure, they’ve crossed the line. But even if putting a camera in the wrong spot gave them a competitive advantage briefly, they still kicked all your teams’ butts for years AFTER they were caught!
    Of course, the problem the NFL now has is that the Jets’ former employees are just as incompetent at running the front office as they were at running their own organization. So the NFL continues to suffer through hypocrisy, poor execution, embarassment, and abject stupidity like this.

  33. whitetrash69 says:
    Aug 31, 2015 11:55 PM

    “…Sorry, serial cheaters get treated differently, suck it up and start playing by the rules, Pats…”

    —————————————————-

    Ah, OK, I get it now. Other teams can cheat but only the Patriots should be penalized, and they should be investigated extensively for things other teams got a pass on? Perfectly logical.

    Oh, and as sdisme said: “Think no other teams had video taped signals during a game?”

    Well, yes. In fact, wasn’t it the Jets who were caught doing the same thing during the playoffs the year prior to spygate (the most overblown, nonsense “scandal” in NFL history…up until deflategate, that is)?

  34. to whitrash69,

    care to detail what you call serial cheating. While you’re at it explain how the jets got off on the same issue.

    go ahead, I dare you. Need specifics on each accusation. Just repeating serial cheater doesn’t get it done.

  35. Feeley didn’t destroy a cell phone and hide it for 90 days. Feeley didn’t make a trillion phone calls to guys he claimed he doesn’t even have their phone number. Feeley didn’t have a “deflator.” Feeley didn’t fail to cooperate. Keep defending the Pats Florio and people will keep shooting down your paper thin defenses.

  36. the epic known as spygate begs the question, why weren’t the jets given similar punishment for doing the exact same thing?

    whitetrash, swagger, moron? anyone?

  37. All this for a Jay walking level equipment violation, provided it happened intentionally. And the intentionally part is still up for debate and not decisively proven to be fact by anyone or anything. I think it may have been but the need for direct evidence still exists for a suspension to even be a possibility in terms of discipline.

  38. What’s really great is how many people will accept innuendo and adverse inferences from the Wells Report as if it’s fact, but facts such as the fact that the Jets were caught messing with K balls but Feely was not disciplined is questioned as some kind of scam.

    Idiots will be idiots.

  39. If you want to understand Goodell and the NFL’s behavior in Deflategate. Watch “League of Denial” about the NFL concussion scandal. One scene has the NFL legal team representing the league and Goodell versus the NFLPA walking out of the court house. If you look carefully, you see none other than the folks from the firm of Paul Weiss and Ted Wells himself. The NFL tactic was to challenge the science by paying for their own researchers and offering the players nothing. This position held until Congress dragged Goodell in front of a committee and forced him to testify. If you think his stumbling performance regarding deflategate was unusual, just watch Goodell in front of congress, the man’s mouth moved, noises came out, and nothing made sense. The straw that broke that camels’ back was when the committee started comparing the NFL to big tobacco, that got Goodell’s attention – the idea that Congress was going to give the NFL the Big Tobacco treatment. Immediately afterward the NFL settled with the players.

  40. every player should be investigated in these cases, just b/c Feely slipped thru the cracks doesnt mean Brady should get off on that technicality- thats EXTREMELY weak lol. “but but but what about him??? He did it too”. Oh come on. At first Tom’s side said “we wont accept ANY punishment whatsoever!” then it was “ok we’ll pay a fine for not cooperating, but thats IT!” now its “ok we’ll take a one game suspension for not cooperating”. The NFL has held strong while Tom’s side keeps crumbling…………its pretty obvious who is right and who is begging for some mercy and leniency. If Tom didnt do this then why did he not cooperate knowing he’d be getting in trouble for not cooperating? Obviously the penalty for not cooperating was less than what he’d get if he did cooperate and the NFL got the full truth. Pats fans remove ur heads from the sand.

  41. The Patriot Hater daily Oath of Patriot Hate Affirmation

    “It doesn’t matter the outcome because the Pats are cheaters no matter what because we need it to be that way so we can accept the inferior teams for which we root and tell our kids that the New England Patriots won so much because the were Cheatas!!!.
    How we arrive at this belief is immaterial, inconsequential and free of flaws.
    We outside of New England blindly accept Roger Goodell and the NFL Offices as beyond reproach and omnipotent in all areas of adjudication when it supports besmirching and penalizing the New England Patriots. We readily accept any and all rumors, innuendo, false media reports and the like as Gospel when they negatively portray Robert Kraft, Bill B e l a c heet and Tammy Brady. We seek no objectivity or signs of fair trial and /or process and pledge to band together in witch hunt style to strike down any neutral and/or Patriots defenders with severe malice, ridicule and scorn. We chastise the “Homers” and dismiss any evidence contrary to our credo.
    In the name of the Roger, the NFL Offices and the other 31, Amen. ”

  42. Fact: in 2009, the Jets were caught illegally tampering with a kicking ball. Per Goodell’s own logic, one of the players (the kicker or holder) *must* have known about it and directed the ballboy to do it.

    Fact: in 2010, the Jets were fined for having a system in place to trip up opposing players running along the sideline during kickoffs. Players reported they were told by Jets coaches to do that during every game.

    Funny, though: two incidents in two years, and no Ted Wells. No Trembly-Chin Brunell getting all weepy. No week-long sessions of contrived outrage on ESPN or the NFL Network. No accusations of the Jets being “serieal cheaters”. Wonder why that is. Oh, right, it’s for the exact same reason the Patriots haters are willfully ignoring Goodell’s and the league’s multiple, demonstrable lies during this utter farce known as ‘Deflategate’.

  43. The conduct at issue here is also very different from the incident involving the Jets’ equipment staff member who “attempted to use” unapproved equipment in plain view of the officials to prepare kicking balls prior to a 2009 game against the Patriots. There was no evidence of any player involvement. However, it bears mention that the Jets’ employee was suspended from his regular game-day duties for a period longer than the suspension under review here.

    I love how you keep bringing up an issue that had already been dealt with in the Appeal Ruling as though it’s new information. You whiffed worse than Jay Feely when the Giants came to Seattle in 2005.

  44. xinellum says:
    Sep 1, 2015 6:58 AM
    Feeley didn’t destroy a cell phone and hide it for 90 days. Feeley didn’t make a trillion phone calls to guys he claimed he doesn’t even have their phone number. Feeley didn’t have a “deflator.” Feeley didn’t fail to cooperate. Keep defending the Pats Florio and people will keep shooting down your paper thin defenses.

    —————————————————————–

    We don’t know what Feeley did or did not do, because the NFL did not bother to conduct a multi-million dollar “investigation”. They simply slapped a fine and let it go.

  45. lesterclan says:
    Sep 1, 2015 1:25 AM
    WTH, Florio?!? The two situations are completely different! Feely was never directly implicated. Brady was. The Jets equipment people didn’t have cute nicknames and texts implicating Feely. The Patriots did. Feely never destroyed evidence. Brady did.

    Other than in every detail and facts, the two situations are identical…
    ________________________________
    I didn’t see the texts messages in the Feely case. And where can I find the Ted Wells report in the Feely case to prove it?

  46. God, you folks are like a bunch of 6 year olds…well they did this and they did that…
    Give me a break…
    The Pats and Brady cheated and got caught…stop worrying about what happened in the past and get on your team for their own ethical lapses…
    And especially Brady, it does not matter how good he is, he not only cheated, he failed to cooperate as required and then destroyed the evidence of his actions on the same day he was deposed, this after being asked multiple times for the evidence contained on the phone !!!
    An innocent man does not destroy the evidence of his innocence, he saves it forever !!!
    Seems the entire Boston area is without a shred of ethics or morals…
    I have nothing but sympathy for you having to live life in such a pathetic manner !!!

  47. whitetrash69 says:
    Aug 31, 2015 11:55 PM

    Were the Jets warned like the Pats? did another team file an official complaint about the Jets like the Pats? Was the Jets equipment manager seen taking the footballs in a locked room like the Pats? Was there a known rumor among NFL teams about the Jets tampering like the Pats? Have the Jets previously and regularly jeopardized the integrity of the sport like the Pats?
    Sorry, serial cheaters get treated differently, suck it up and start playing by the rules, Pats.

    Cry all you want but the Patriots’ legacy IS cheating, you don’t like it? Grow a spine and tell the owner.
    ===================================
    I keep hearing this comment or ones similar to it “Have the Jets/any team regularly jeopardized the integrity of the sport like the Pats?”
    And each time I read something like this it is NEVER followed up with any examples of how the Patriots are “serial” cheaters. You know why? Because it’s not true. The ONLY thing you clowns can hang your hat on is Spygate (taping signals from an unapproved location).

    This current controversy, #FRAMEGATE, has shown zero proof of anything. It is circumstantial at best. The actual scientific proof that exists shows undeniably that nothing happened and that proof sits squarely in the Wells’ report own numbers.

    So I ask you and others to provide examples of how the Patriots are “serial” cheaters.

    I’ll eliminate one common argument for you.

    “They taped the Rams walkthrough/practice.”
    NEVER HAPPENED. This is the most common one for the uninformed. It was a story written by John Tomase of the Boston Herald the week before the first Giants Super Bowl and the Herald had to retract and apologize for it.

    Ok, now lets hear it……

  48. Witchhunt, sting operation that failed miserably by the nfl. Why didnt they investigate the 3of4 colts balls that were underinflated? I cant wait to see the numbers when they for the first time will measure balls at the half. Then you will realize how pathetic you jealous fans are

  49. yumacactus says:
    Aug 31, 2015 11:42 PM

    The “he did it too” defense is pretty weak.
    _______________________________
    Like so many others here, you missed the point. It was being used to compare identical situations. In 1 case the NFL didn’t care and did nothing about game balls being tampered with and and identical situation occurs where the NFL, and Patriot haters, thinks if game balls were tampered with the team should lose draft picks and the player suspended for 4 games despite testifying under oath he did not tamper with the footballs. Get it?

  50. :jeremy3186 says:
    Sep 1, 2015 4:38 AM

    So the next time someone commits murder.. they’re defense should bringing in someone who got away with murder? “He never went to jail, why should I?!”:

    *****************************

    False equivalency much?

  51. For the anti Brady crowd. This isn’t a “everyone is doing it” excuse. This is not the speeding down the highway and trying to tell the cop that everyone else was speeding too. This would be if the guy in court before you was caught speeding and fined $150. He paid it and everyone moved on. Now you got caught speeding (same basic offense, speed and location) you were fined 1/4 of your salary and then put in jail for a couple of months so the court could make an example of you. If any of you would just “take your medicine” at that point than that is seriously a problem with our country.

  52. lesterclan says:
    Sep 1, 2015 1:25 AM

    WTH, Florio?!? The two situations are completely different! Feely was never directly implicated. Brady was. The Jets equipment people didn’t have cute nicknames and texts implicating Feely. The Patriots did. Feely never destroyed evidence. Brady did.

    Other than in every detail and facts, the two situations are identical…

    ————————————————

    Boy, you haters really gotta hate, don’t you? Brady destroying evidence? Idiot! The NFL already had the evidence by the time Brady destroyed his cellphone, so Brady didn’t destroy all the evidence. And “cute nicknames and texts” is pretty weak sauce.

  53. Hmmmm……failure to investigate a Jets player for a similar infraction…..a league head office full of ex-Jets execs….something stinks here.

  54. garglebargle says:
    Sep 1, 2015 9:18 AM
    :jeremy3186 says:
    Sep 1, 2015 4:38 AM

    So the next time someone commits murder.. they’re defense should bringing in someone who got away with murder? “He never went to jail, why should I?!”:

    *****************************

    False equivalency much?

    —————————

    Dumb example, but I’ll play along:

    It’s more like if there had never been a conviction or jail time for any murder anytime prior to the incident in question and then having lawmakers all of a sudden create a punishment on the fly for one specific incident.

  55. This isn’t even like comparing apples to oranges…it’s like comparing apples to watermelons. I can’t wait to watch PFT’S reaction when Brady’s suspension stands at 4 games.

  56. “I’ll eliminate one common argument for you.

    “They taped the Rams walkthrough/practice.”
    NEVER HAPPENED. This is the most common one for the uninformed. It was a story written by John Tomase of the Boston Herald the week before the first Giants Super Bowl and the Herald had to retract and apologize for it.

    Ok, now lets hear it……”

    To add a little more here: Pats fans are told that there is no agenda. We are thin skinned and paranoid, right? Ok, so why did ESPN report THIS very rumor, multiple times on air, last week? And then issue an on-air apology in the middle of the night? The false story had been retracted for years, and quite publicly I might add. Why would a reputable sports news outlet like ESPN report an old, easily disprovable rumor? I can think of no honest answer that doesn’t involve an agenda and an attempted PR hit.

  57. So many bottom 31 fans don’t get it. Oh where was all the evidence on Feely? Oh, IDK there is none because nobody felt it necessary to look into! Like come on. I thought that no equipment manager would EVER do anything without their respective players’ knowledge? Right? How come that only works for Brady? And to the squawk fan who actually quoted Goodell’s well known lie-infested appeal ruling as evidence that this infraction holds no relevance, I got a good chuckle from that one.

    But hey, Ex-JETS and current JETS have to have each others backs.

    Kind of like:

    NYJ Spygate: Did the exact same thing the Pats “did” the year before in the PLAYOFFS and got a verbal warning.

    Systematic tripping program for sideline players

    The Feely ball coverup

    Woody Johnson’s BLATANT tampering with a top 3 FA that resulted in his team acquiring said FA from divisional rival: 100K even though much lesser tampering charges have resulted in lost draft picks and significant fines

    This is your league. bottom 31, embrace it

  58. It’s no wonder Aaron Rodgers likes the balls to be inflated higher than 13.5 psi, since games in Green Bay in December drop the psi to well below 12.5, even when starting at 13.5

  59. .
    This was was smart move by Kessler. He presented a witness in a proceeding where witnesses weren’t permitted. Even if Judge Berman did not question him, the fact that he was made available for questioning gives credence to his story.
    .

  60. lesterclan says:
    Sep 1, 2015 1:25 AM

    WTH, Florio?!? The two situations are completely different! Feely was never directly implicated. Brady was.
    ———————————

    You had better get your evidence over to the NFL before it is too late, because they have stated that they have zero direct evidence that Tom Brady did anything.

  61. The NFL already admitted that they have no direct evidence that Brady is guilty of their accusation contrary to Goodell’s quantum- leaped summation.
    The severity of the penalty for the alleged violation is without precedent.
    The NFL hid behind lawyer client privilege to prevent Brady from questioning key people.
    To absolve himself from his own lies and incompetence, Goodell intimidates Brady to commit perjury.
    Goodell have the power but should not have a blank check to abuse that power. His lawyer even argues that the judge should defer to that power, in essence, the judge should just rubber stamp what Goodell wants.

    The judge should deflate Goodell’s blimp ego to bring him down to earth.

  62. The Jets equipment people didn’t have cute nicknames and texts implicating Feely.

    ————————

    How do you know? The whole point is that there was no investigation at all. Just a fine and move along.

  63. Let’s be honest, If there was video evidence of Brady himself, taking a needle out of his Handwarmer, right on the front of his body, and jamming it into the ball right in the huddle…..he should be fined $25K.

    This “it was was more probable than not” that “he may have been generally aware” of SOMEONE ELSE doing something is so ridiculous.

    The NFL totally mishandled this one.

    Honestly, based on the FACTS that the NFL paid for in their own (i mean independent) Wells investigation, 3 of 4 Colt’s balls were under deflated. Where are the fines? Suspension of Luck? Honest question.

  64. jjzzx says:
    Sep 1, 2015 8:43 AM
    God, you folks are like a bunch of 6 year olds…well they did this and they did that…
    Give me a break…
    The Pats and Brady cheated and got caught…stop worrying about what happened in the past and get on your team for their own ethical lapses…
    And especially Brady, it does not matter how good he is, he not only cheated, he failed to cooperate as required and then destroyed the evidence of his actions on the same day he was deposed, this after being asked multiple times for the evidence contained on the phone !!!
    An innocent man does not destroy the evidence of his innocence, he saves it forever !!!
    Seems the entire Boston area is without a shred of ethics or morals…
    I have nothing but sympathy for you having to live life in such a pathetic manner !!!

    ______________________________________

    “Noooo. Yooou’re a 6 year old. Mooom!? He said I have no morals. And that I’m pathetic. Tell him I DO have morals. Plleease.”

    Get over yourself. Throwing around morality as if Roger Goodell’s decisions are indisputable commandments being decreed from the heavens. Are you really arguing its unethical to question the NFL office decision-making?

  65. smarterthanyouoryours says:
    Sep 1, 2015 11:20 AM
    LOL

    The kicker and QB have a different level of impact on the game.

    Check their bank accounts.

    If cheating is this important to Tom, and he doesn’t want to be punished, learn to kick.

    ________________________________________

    LOL. So you think the severity of punishment should be based on your impact on the game? Interesting take, but I don’t think any NFL rule is set up this way. How would they possible weigh that?

    What about steroids then, since it’s being compared to this equipment violation? If Russell Wilson’s bubble water had steroids in it, should he serve a longer suspension than Steven Hauschka?

  66. sdisme says:
    Aug 31, 2015 11:54 PM
    Think no other teams had video taped signals during a game?

    Or had a pay for performance program in violation of the “bounty rule”?

    Or manipulated game balls?

    Selectively enforcing the rules and inconsistent punishment is the staple of Goodell’s NFL. No press is bad press.
    ——

    There are plenty of people out there who murder, embezzle, sell drugs, etc. but don’t get caught. and yes, they don’t get charged. But just because some people got away with it and you didn’t, doesn’t make you innocent.

  67. smarterthanyouoryours says:
    Sep 1, 2015 11:20 AM
    LOL

    The kicker and QB have a different level of impact on the game.

    Check their bank accounts.

    If cheating is this important to Tom, and he doesn’t want to be punished, learn to kick.
    ———–

    Who is the highest scorer in the league each and every year? That would be a kicker, not a QB.

    Pats beat the Rams by,wait for it, a field goal.
    Go back and check how many Super Bowls were won by a field goal.

    As good as Brady is, care to guess how many times Vinateri and Gostkowski have bailed him out?

  68. So what’s the point? Are you saying Brady did have the balls tampered with but shouldn’t be punished because a kicker wasn’t punished for having “General Knowledge”.
    The Patriots have blamed everyone and now they say a quarterback shouldn’t be punished because a kicker wasn’t punished 9 years ago!

  69. kanodogg says:
    Sep 1, 2015 11:50 AM
    sdisme says:
    Aug 31, 2015 11:54 PM
    Think no other teams had video taped signals during a game?

    Or had a pay for performance program in violation of the “bounty rule”?

    Or manipulated game balls?

    Selectively enforcing the rules and inconsistent punishment is the staple of Goodell’s NFL. No press is bad press.
    ——

    There are plenty of people out there who murder, embezzle, sell drugs, etc. but don’t get caught. and yes, they don’t get charged. But just because some people got away with it and you didn’t, doesn’t make you innocent.
    —-
    But it does make a lot of people hypocrites. See Baltimore fans/Ray Rice/missing video.

  70. Why are we talking Jets? Lets just focus on Patriots.
    Lets have the ball boys been spokesman instead of Jay Feely…

    Hey look at me. I am a Patriot ball boy code-named deflator. I got screwed and lost my job over this, why is Tom not suspended because he was the mastermind?

  71. It is like Florio is in the head of Brady’s lawyer. Actually, he is just transcribing what he hears in Brady’s lawyers meetings. Florio is their press secretary.

  72. It’s understandable how the Pats seem to be in the heads of fans of other teams–13 years of uber success, dubious or not.

    But why on earth are Pats fans to obsessed with Jets and ex-Jets. I suspect your average well-informed NFL fan has no idea of the team backgrounds of most NFL execs, yet Pats fans seem a little too “sensitive” about what former Jets employees work at 345 Park Ave. It’s funny, actually. As someone who grew up in Jets-land hating home town teams and fans, I detest the Jets, but find their prominence in the Pats fans’ mindset comical. To some of the Pats fans here, Jets employees = Keyser Soze. Man, you give that sad organization much too much credit.

    Beyond that, Goodell has 32 bosses and if they thought he was pro-Jets (or pro-Pats for that matter) they’d surely have something stern and unpleasant to say about it. For a couple years I’ve seen complaints that Kraft and Goodell are too close, socialize too much together, etc and other fans whine, and now all I see are Pats fans griping about how beholden Goodell is to the Jets. Pathetic. And wrong. He might be an all-pro headcase, but a pro-Jets bias is NOT one of his problems.

  73. So Brady gets Mara & Feely as “presences” in the courtroom but the NFL gets no one. This hardly seems balanced.

  74. jjzzx says:
    Sep 1, 2015 8:43 AM

    God, you folks are like a bunch of 6 year olds…

    Seems the entire Boston area is without a shred of ethics or morals…
    I have nothing but sympathy for you having to live life in such a pathetic manner !!!

    *********************************************

    Not only that, but according to an Allstate report released Monday they are also the worst drivers in the nation. Probably always calling in to sports talk radio shows while behind the wheel.

  75. JUDGE BERMAN: DO YOU HAVE ANY PROOF BRADY WAS INVOLVED IN ANYTHING?

    NFL: YES SIR, THERE WERE TEXTS BETWEEN THE 2 EQUIPMENT GUYS THAT…..

    JUDGE BERMAN: NO, FOR THIS PARTICULAR GAME VS THE COLTS, DO YOU HAVE ANY PROOF?

    NFL: YES SIR,UHM, HE LIKES PUDDING…?

    JUDGE BERMAN: CASE DISMISSED. MR GOODELL, ID LIKE TO SEE YOU IN MY CHAMBERS AND BRING SOME BALM.

  76. “pftony says:
    Sep 1, 2015 12:37 PM
    So Brady gets Mara & Feely as “presences” in the courtroom but the NFL gets no one. This hardly seems balanced.”

    How do you figure that Mara, the owner of the rival Giants, who has publicly supported Goodell on the Brady suspension is the for Brady?

  77. Well, if you are going to make the comparion, did the Jet’s employ anybody on the staff with the nickname, “Deflator”?

    Did Feely call that employee 6 times the day after the game and text message him dozens of times? Did Feely later on destroy his cell phone so as not to turn over the evidence?

    Two can play this game.

  78. yumacactus says:
    Aug 31, 2015 11:42 PM

    The “he did it too” defense is pretty weak.
    _______________

    Ignoring for the moment that there is zero proof Brady did anything, let’s talk about precedent.

    Previous equipment violations have ranged from a penalty on the field to a small fine to a verbal warning and no fine. How do we get from that precedent to a million dollar fine, loss of a first round draft pick and a four game suspension for a future HOF QB?

    The last time a star QB refused to hand over their phone, he received a 50K fine. Now all of a sudden we’ve gone from a fine to a four game suspension? Keep in mind Brady was not asked to hand over his phone by Ted Wells.

    “He did it too” does not excuse someone from wrongdoing, but having the penalties for similar wrongdoing vary so wildly from team to team is simply wrong, and speaks to a Commissioner with a personal agenda rather than a sense of justice.

  79. Can you imagine if it had been the Jets in the AFC title game instead of the Colts when Deflategate went down? Those ex-Jets executives would have been calling for a hanging on the entire team! But I guess it’s a moot point because Jets won’t ever make it to the AFC title game…

  80. yumacactus says: The “he did it too” defense is pretty weak.
    ================================

    That’s not the legal issue here. Does Goodell have one rule for the Jets and one rule for the Patriots?

    The answer is YES

    That alone is grounds for Berman to vacate

    Public opinion is now WITH BRADY according to ESPN now that the public knows the NFL (and ESPN) have routinely lied about everything in this faux scandal

  81. Amazing how logical and rational Jay Feely came across compared to the stooges that support Goodell and the NFL in this case.

  82. cwludwig says:
    Sep 1, 2015 12:00 PM
    So what’s the point? Are you saying Brady did have the balls tampered with but shouldn’t be punished because a kicker wasn’t punished for having “General Knowledge”.
    The Patriots have blamed everyone and now they say a quarterback shouldn’t be punished because a kicker wasn’t punished 9 years ago!

    —–

    No, comparing the situations is not admitting guilt. The NFLPA is looking at precedent to show that there’s Zero rhyme or reason for the NFL’s penalty of Tom Brady. They’re pointing to an exact same scenario in which an equipment worker illegally adjusted the footballs. We know that happened. There was no doubt that it happened (but in this framegate situation there’s PLENTY of doubt, even NFL admitted it had no direct evidence) . BUT even given that, the kicker was not investigated or punished, even though he must’ve been generally aware. There was no punishment for “general awareness”. Did Goodell make up that penalty? The Jets were not punished, didn’t lose any draft picks, didn’t pay a fine. Only the worker was suspended. The NFLPA is pointing out that such punishments are for teams and equipment workers, not players. So why was Brady even investigated in the first place when Feely wasn’t? Is Goodell just being partial. Is Goodell just making things up as he goes along? It sure seems that way. If NFLPA can prove that, it very well might win. And the Jets example is a perfect example of how one team is treated vs another. Jets hardly even get a wrist slap. The Patriots, even though NFL hasn’t proven anything, suffer huge penalties. If you can’t see how much of a joke this is, then you are blind.

  83. I always laugh when Pats fan say 3 of 4 colts balls were under inflated and they forget to add by the gauge that had all of the Pats balls under inflated. What about the other gauge readings?

  84. yumacactus says:
    Aug 31, 2015 11:42 PM
    The “he did it too” defense is pretty weak.
    —————————–
    The “more probable than not generally aware of” accusation is much weaker.

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