Report: Brady was open to accepting a one-game suspension on Monday

AP

Nearly two weeks ago, when Patriots quarterback Tom Brady missed work a day before an August 19 court hearing, Brady was willing (as PFT and others have reported) to accept a one-game suspension for not cooperating with the NFL’s #DeflateGate investigation. After the August 19 hearing, during which Judge Richard M. Berman subjected the league’s lawyers to a variety of tough questions, Brady’s camp seemed to retreat.

As of Monday, Brady was once again ready to consider striking a deal.

Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports that Brady was open to serving a one-game suspension for failure to cooperate. Like 13 days ago, however, it never got to that point due to the NFL’s insistence on Brady admitting to guilt, knowledge, and/or responsibility in connection with the alleged deflation of footballs.

Via Gary Myers of the New York Daily News, the league was willing to cut the suspension to three games, if Brady were to admit guilt. Previously, PFT was told that the NFL would at least cut the suspension in half, if Brady acknowledged that he was not innocent. Myers also reports that Brady was willing to pay a fine for not cooperating.

The question of what Brady would have done is irrelevant, since the NFL’s position prevented negotiations from ever accelerating.

210 responses to “Report: Brady was open to accepting a one-game suspension on Monday

  1. “The question of what Brady would have done is irrelevant, since the NFL’s position prevented negotiations from ever accelerating.”

    Got an agenda you’re (again) driving, Florio? A more balanced way would be to concede the impasse is a product of BOTH sides’ inflexibility on the issue of Brady’s guilt.

  2. NFL was obviously trying to get Brady to admit guilt because the NFL couldn’t prove guilt. It didnt work. Now the NFL get nothing and Brady get s exonerated.

  3. Come the next CBA I hope the players stick it to the league in spades after what King Roger has done to all of them

  4. It’s crazy that the league treats one of their marquee players so poorly, what are they really trying to accomplish? It’s beyond punishing him or the Pats at this point.

  5. Did not know this. NFL would settle for 3, Brady wanted one. It’s a no brainer. Judge will split it down the middle to 2 games and the appeal will be turned down.

  6. They are who we thought they were…just wonder why Judge Berman termed it that both parties tried hard to reach a settlement?
    Park Ave not so much…

  7. This has gone on long enough. Can the league just admit they screwed up and can Brady just continue his legacy. This is far from over, either side will appeal and this will drag into next season. Seems that Goodell is so smart he may have just alienated a lot of owners in the process. No owner in his right mind wants the NFL dragged through the judicial process over a small amount of air. Let’s grow up here and face the facts, the NFL had no solid proof, Brady was in my opinion right to not hand over his cell phone, and how can you suspend someone for an infraction that has no precedent on being accurately checked throughout a season to determine if the ideal gas law was at play here. What’s next, someone being suspended for having a warmer seat in a winter game on the bench, or a kicker being suspended for having the kicking tee to far up in the air, or a receiver’s gloves being too bright so they are a better target. Gerry Glanville once said NFL stood for NOT FOR LONG, and that I think will be how much more time Roger has to be around.

  8. THIS GOES All THE Way Back When THE NFL allowed Brady to play in the superbowl. The league was trying to throw Brady a bone. But he is so arrogant he chose to fight back. Now we have this on going mess. He should have took whatever deal Goddell and Kraft settled on.

  9. NFL wins this in the long run. Either in the next few days or on appeal. Anyone who thinks differently is just not facing reality. No level of parsing takes away the NFL’s right to administer discipline as it sees fit. It’s really that simple. Those of you itching to see Goodell hang from the yardarm forget it. Owners love him.

  10. So… two games and he doesn’t have to admit anything because all of the rational, non-delusional fans know he had some level of involvement and his instance otherwise only shows what type of man he is and continues to sully his reputation.

  11. First he says no suspension but he’ll pay a fine. Now he says he’ll take a one game suspension. If he’s was not guilty of anything why would he agree to a fine or a one game suspension. Agreeing to fine or suspension is an admission of guilt. He has no say on what is given…

  12. The NFL isn’t losing this case….right or wrong has no play in this anymore…the judge will go by law and the NFL has it in their favor, thats why they are in court…reports of the judge condemning the league and commissioner is because the judge knows they have all they need to have because it’s their rules…plain and simple, it’s their rules and the players signed off on it…

  13. paulieorkid says:
    Aug 31, 2015 9:37 PM

    “The question of what Brady would have done is irrelevant, since the NFL’s position prevented negotiations from ever accelerating.”

    Got an agenda you’re (again) driving, Florio? A more balanced way would be to concede the impasse is a product of BOTH sides’ inflexibility on the issue of Brady’s guilt.
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    Fair enough but your balanced suggestion isn’t what the narrative has been. The vast majority of reporting has been Brady refusing to admit guilt and accept Wells Report is the sticking point.

  14. He has to either serve all 4 games or 0 games. If he even takes 1 game, then he’s admitting guilt. It will tarnish his legacy, so he has to fight it all the way, no way around it, Tom.

  15. If I were innocent then why the hell would I admit to something? That Combiner of the NFL can’t actually believe that any innocent party would admit guilt. Is he from Mars?

  16. Again, it does not matter what the CBA says. The league cannot, I repeat, CANNOT dole out any punishment that they see fit without it being overturned in a court of law.

    AGAIN, the CBA does not give the Commish the right be unfair and thats exactly why the NFL will lose this.

  17. The NFL isn’t losing this case….right or wrong has no play in this anymore…the judge will go by law and the NFL has it in their favor, thats why they are in court…reports of the judge condemning the league and commissioner is because the judge knows they have all they need to have because it’s their rules…plain and simple, it’s their rules and the players signed off on it…
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    Exactly…… and by agreeing to this type of discipline the players gained something they deemed more important to them.

    You can’t have your cake and eat it to.

  18. “The question of what Brady would have done is irrelevant, since the NFL’s position prevented negotiations from ever accelerating.”

    This “conclusion” is illogical. The NFL clearly was open to compromise. It’s Brady who stubbornly refuses to admit guilt. But he doesn’t have that option. HE is clearly the one preventing negotiations from ever accelerating, not the other way around.

  19. heres the key ” After the August 19 hearing, during which Judge Richard M. Berman subjected the league’s lawyers to a variety of tough questions, Brady’s camp seemed to retreat”

    i saw legal analysis that said that if a judge strongly questioned a side it might indicate that he was leaning in that side’s direction and he just wanted to make sure their arguments were valid; it’s counter-intuitive that a judge rake over the coals the side he’s favoring but it does make sense for that side to convince the judge that hs’ right

    key is brady caved after the aug 19 hearing and the nfl dug it; pretty obvious both sides are reading the tea leaves that the judge will rule for the nfl

    they still have time but pretty boy will have to take a 3 game suspention or risk a 4 game suspension which it appears both sides are now expecting

  20. Its time to know off the bravo sierra and let the prima donna Brady take his medicine and quit hiding behind a bunch of lawyers. I do not have any respect left for Brady or the Patriots in general.

  21. Brady can’t admit guilt because he testified under oath that he had nothing to do with Deflategate. If he admitted guilt as part of a plea he would open himself up to perjury charges.

  22. From the perspectives of the league and the union, the case really isn’t about Tom Brady. Rather, it’s about employers disciplining employees under the CBA. A fact lost on most people who comment here. It’s a breach of contract action.

    As such, the league doesn’t much care about the length of the suspension. What it cares greatly about is its ability to manage its labor force without interference by the courts. Just like any employer whose employees are union members.

    Tom Brady is an employee who’s upset with his employer. Happens everyday throughout this country. Change his occupation and no one hears about the story.

  23. The NFL clearly was open to compromise. It’s Brady who stubbornly refuses to admit guilt. But he doesn’t have that option. HE is clearly the one preventing negotiations from ever accelerating, not the other way around.

    This “conclusion” is illogical. You do not understand the meaning of negotiating. Admit obstruction for 1 game suspension since he is not guilty of anything to do with footballs and has said as much under oath. Ergo, he cannot agree with the NFLs terms to agree to the terms of the Wells report because it would also mean Brady is admitting he perjured himself. The NFL knows this and this is the reason they thrw that out there. It was a non starter.

  24. Can someone who things the NFL has no chance of losing this case explain to me why Goodell doesn’t have to follow the responsibilities of an arbitrator defined in the LMRA and FAA?

    Arbitrators have guidelines they need to follow and one of them is to be neutral. So when you are caught lying about the testimony of the defendant it is really hard to claim neutrality.

    While it is true it is rare to overturn collectively bargained arbitration virtually every time it has happened has been in a circumstance like this one.

  25. Who in their right mind admits guilt when they have done nothing wrong. That is why the NFL has no proof!
    Most important at this point, there has been nothing fair about the process v. Brady to allow him to properly defend himself against all the leaks and lies.
    Goodell may have the power, he can’t use it in a corrupt manner!

  26. sbaltimore says:
    The NFL clearly was open to compromise.

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    Wow, how magnanimous of them.

    so…Brady just admits to perjury in a Federal Court, and they will lower his penalty for driving 65 in a 65 mph speed zone from 20 years in prison to 15. How helpful!

  27. So when a player is accused of something and the player buys his way out, people say they MUST be guilty or else why would they offer a payoff. But with Brady you’re saying it’s because he’s so magnanimous. ? What’s a fine to Brady, he and his wife are worth hundreds of millions. So Brady is the face of the league, and yet the league goes after him? So let’s think about this, why would the majority of the owners give the go ahead to go after Brady and drag the NFL through this public nightmare? And no it’s not because the other owners are tired of the patriots wining. If that were the case, then the owners would have gone after the rooneys in the 70s the 49s in the 80s, or the Giants and packers as well. They went after Brady, and more so the patriots, because of belichicks insistence on pushing the rules to the limit. Where was all of this venom towards Goodell when he was fining safety’s and corners for hard hits, or when Harrison was hitting players too hard? Everyone loved Goodell for putting the smack down on players like suh and Harrison. There may not be a smoking gun with Brady, but between an equipment guy called the deflator and Brady destroying his phone, something he said he routinely did, yet somehow still had the phone PRIOR to the one he destroyed, there is enough evidence to believe Brady had the equipment guys deflate the footballs. And before you say,mothers not advantage, obviously the advantage to Brady was a mental advantage, he thinks he plays better with the football under inflated. Sports is a lot mental, the PGA golfer who suddenly can’t putt, the kicker who can’t kick an extra point, the catcher who can’t throw the ball back to the mount, the NBA player who can’t hit a free throw. It’s all mental, and Brady needed that edge. Or so he thinks he does. To me all this proves is that Brady isn’t bigger than the game. Just like Roethlisberger got 6 games despite not even being charged, brady gets 4 for the bringing into question the integrity of the game.

  28. FoozieGrooler says:
    Aug 31, 2015 9:45 PM
    So now Brady is leaning towards accepting responsibility and admitting he cheated.
    He’s done.

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    How could you possibly have gotten that out of what Florio just wrote? I’ll quote you the relevant paragraph:

    “Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports that Brady was open to serving a one-game suspension for failure to cooperate. Like 13 days ago, however, it never got to that point due to the NFL’s insistence on Brady admitting to guilt, knowledge, and/or responsibility in connection with the alleged deflation of footballs.”

    He was willing to concede that he didn’t cooperate with the investigation NOT that he was guilty of involvement in a ball tampering scheme. I.e., “OK, you can punish me for not turning over my cell phone” NOT “I cheated.” Is it really that hard to understand that difference?

    Anyhow, Brady is far from “done.” It’s the NFL which is going to face the music tomorrow.

  29. mongo3401 says:
    Aug 31, 2015 9:43 PM
    Did not know this. NFL would settle for 3, Brady wanted one. It’s a no brainer. Judge will split it down the middle to 2 games and the appeal will be turned down.

    That’s not how it works. The judge can either affirm Goodell’s decision, or vacate it. He dictate a compromise position of his own crafting.

    If he vacates Goodell’s decision, what happens next depends on which legals point(s) his decision is grounded in — if it’s based on Goodell being evidently biased, or Brady’s appeal being fundamentally unfair because he wasn’t allowed to call the witnesses he wanted and/or his lawyers weren’t provided with all the documents to which they were entitled, the NFL could hold another appeal hearing, likely in front of someone other than Goodell.

    If it’s something that would equally invalidate any further hearing — such as the NFLPA’s lack of notice arguments, or the basis in the “generally aware” standard, than the NFL’s only recourse would be to appeal the decision.

  30. It’s crazy that the league treats one of their marquee players so poorly, what are they really trying to accomplish? It’s beyond punishing him or the Pats at this point.
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    It is not crazy, it is simple. There are rules to the game, and the NFL will not allow Brady to continue Cheating to gain an unfair advantage.

  31. The NFL is once again looking foolish. Just like AP is for having another child with someone who isn’t his wife. Yep, he’s up to #9. He’ll be able to fill out a whole 11 team in a little over a year.

  32. The more the facts come out the worst the owners and goodell look. If the balls were deflated they would each been deflated by the exact amount for the Ideal Gas Law to work. The league office is full of SCRUM. They stopped testing the colts balls because they didn’t want tbe data. They didn’t even test the balls after the game which would of ended this hole mess one way or another. How stupid are they going to look when they get data on multiple games and pressure is really two pounds under because of a defect in ball.

    A lawsuit against the owners now looks more possible on Tom Brady’s part, it’s obvious there are documents the nfl doesn’t want published.

  33. Brady’s camp only floated the idea of accepting a 1 game suspension to send a tacit message to the judge, that they were the more flexible of the 2 parties involved.
    The NFL’s desire to only agree on a settlement if Brady admitted guilt tells me that not only do they have their collective heads up their rears, but they have no desire to pull out.
    The NFL doesn’t care about whether or not Brady misses any games, they know they’ve screwed things up so badly that the only way they “win” is if either (A)Brady admits guilt, or (B)the judge upholds the full suspension.
    Neither A or B is happening.
    Prediction: Berman throws out the entire suspension, and fines Brady the max allowed under the CBA for non-cooperation.
    As far as the non-cooperation goes; that’s crap too. If cooperation means turning over a personal cell phone, what’s next? Turning over tax records too? Keys to his house?

  34. ybthatway says:
    Aug 31, 2015 9:55 PM

    The NFL isn’t losing this case….right or wrong has no play in this anymore…the judge will go by law and the NFL has it in their favor, thats why they are in court…reports of the judge condemning the league and commissioner is because the judge knows they have all they need to have because it’s their rules…plain and simple, it’s their rules and the players signed off on it…
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    Exactly…… and by agreeing to this type of discipline the players gained something they deemed more important to them.

    You can’t have your cake and eat it to.
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    Apparently, it’s amateur hour. Trust me (and Florio, and Dan Wallach, and Mike McCann, and anyone else who has actually studied or practiced in commercial or labor law), the NFL is not winning this case. The whole claim that the players “agreed” to this in the CBA is a farce. They agreed to let Goodell hear cases. They did not agree to let Goodell hear cases UNFAIRLY or WHILE EVIDENTLY BIASED.

    It isn’t the fact that Roger Goodell ruled on this decision that is problematic, it’s the fact that he ruled on the appeal hearing of his own decision, it’s the fact that he made up a new rationale for suspending Brady on the fly, unsupported by any evidence in the record, it’s the fact that he refused to allow Brady’s legal team access to evidence or to key witnesses such as Pash, it’s the fact that his office was leaking false information to the media constantly, it’s the fact that Ted Wells used a “generally aware” of a “conspiracy” basis to conclude that Brady “more probably than not” had culpability, when none of these standards have any legal basis, it’s the fact that there was actually no evidence in the Wells Report tying Brady to any scheme involving the deflation of footballs for the game in question, etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum.

    I get it, a lot of people on here are Patriots and Tom Brady haters. And maybe they deserve their comeuppance. But don’t make nonsensical quasi-legal arguments. The NFL’s process here was the worst I’ve ever seen in my fairly long legal career, and it should have anybody concerned about justice very very worried. Under the NFL’s argument, your agreement to submit all claims of your workplace employment (or your cell phone contract, or your home mortgage) to arbitration means that the company can assign an obviously unfair arbitrator who investigates you, makes a ruling, hears his own appeal, leaks bad stuff about you to other prospective employers, and is clearly out to get you from the beginning, and you will have no recourse. That is literally the NFL’s claim– the contract, which contains no language about minimum procedural requirements, should be read to bypass federal arbitration law and allow the arbitrator to do whatever he wants. If Goodell wins, I guarantee you that big businesses will start slipping similar language into your consumer contracts.

    So basically, if you’re rooting for Goodell at this point, you are something close to a fascist.

  35. Judge Berman is going to find that the NFL and Goodell have the right to impose discipline on its players. BUT. He will also find that the NFL and Goodell violated numerous parts of the CBA.

    -prior notice.
    -suspending for an equipment violation when the CBA calls for a fine
    -Law of the shop and past practice
    -numerous procedural violations

  36. I hope players are saving their money because when it comes time for the next CBA negotiations there is going to be a prolonged strike/lockout. And this will be the catalyst for it more than anything else.

  37. Jaxx, he did not testify under oath in a court of law. His bible thumping in appeals hearing means nothing. And why is it that Brady fans demand that because Tom said it, it has to be true? That his word must be taken as the absolute truth?

  38. Scats* fans wail. Funny how when you are backed into a corner, left no other option, all the while loudly proclaiming your innocence–having a whole media savvy team trying to “frame the narrative”–suddenly you are open to some compromise—It’s ok Brady, Vick did this same thing. He was purely innocent and a victim of the witch hunt. His issue was race, I guess the league hates you for winning too much. Ugh.

  39. This “conclusion” is illogical. The NFL clearly was open to compromise. It’s Brady who stubbornly refuses to admit guilt. But he doesn’t have that option. HE is clearly the one preventing negotiations from ever accelerating, not the other way around.

    Brady has the right to maintain his innocence. Demanding an admission of guilt as precondition for settlement is absolutely unheard of in legal settlements. The courts aren’t in the business of compelling people to confess to things they insist they didn’t do.

    Legal settlement is about the two parties agreeing to disagree about the underlying facts, but finding a middle ground in terms of real-world consequences they can both live with.

  40. Nobody stonewalls an investigation that proves them innocent, so regardless of the outcome he’s fried chicken.

  41. Brady never had a reputation other than a Cheater. He’s a Pat. He’s the benefactor of Belicheat hiring 3 people to cheat 100 ways every Sunday just like the rest of this garbage roster Pats fans call championship caliber. I call it the reason why Belicheat needs to cheat. He can’t draft if his life depended on it. Brady is a 6th round pick that would’ve been cut in 1 season if drafted by the other 31 non-cheating franchises. He’s a fraud. If he was like Rodgers talent then he’d would’ve gone to Kraft to fire the coach to protect his legacy. Kraft I another fraud that can’t replace his coach with a non-cheating coach and win because he’s the worst owner and has the worst QB. It would be easy to prevent cheating from happening with legit owners and players.

  42. NFL doesn’t have proof, so they are practically begging Brady to admit guilt, so they can crow that they are “morally correct.” I am glad Brady is pushing this to the point where the judge either has to say, Brady is “guilty” or “innocent.” If “guilty”, fine then at least it was an IMPARTIAL judge. But if innocent, then it’s a real black eye for Goddell, proof of what a lot of folks feel, that Goddell is willing to punish people on a whim without sufficient evidence.
    With luck this will be the first chink in the armour in what will eventually be Goddell’s exit from the NFL.

  43. Again, it does not matter what the CBA says. The league cannot, I repeat, CANNOT dole out any punishment that they see fit without it being overturned in a court of law.

    AGAIN, the CBA does not give the Commish the right be unfair and thats exactly why the NFL will lose this.
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    Your first sentence makes no sense. The NFL CAN dole out any punishment they see fit. The player can then take the NFL to court if they disagree.

    “The CBA does not give the Commish the right to be unfair”…that sounds like an astute legal stance…..

  44. The NFL hung their case on the “independent” Wells report. Then they stopped hiding behind that fig leaf. Now they want Brady to accept the findings of the Wells report, without allowing on the record questions to Pash about how he wordsmithed (Wells testimony) the report. Nor did the NFLPA have access to the investigator’s notes. So what is the NFL hiding? Seems to me if the NFL had anything at all tying Brady to deflated balls beyond the out of thin air adverse inference of “generally aware” we would have seen it in the Wells report. Florio has the same right to make a judgement call as anyone who posts here. And the haters can stop ready this articles if they don’t like what he has to say. He taken a stand based on an objective look at the issues. What he sees is a trumped up prosecution of Brady and the Pats.

  45. Unless it comes from Brady i ain’t believin’ nuttin’ we just got through another lie where the Krafts supposedly apologized to Mortenson ..did that happen ? NO . So this seems bogus to me .

  46. drmtesta … I can’t believe with all the information out there on this case you would think your comment makes sense? A) Do you really think a Federal Judge knowing the law would rule against the NFL if they had a case? That’s just plain stupid.
    B) The NFL has to follow the law in order to hear arbitration cases, they just can’t hand out discipline at their whim without good cause.
    C) The NFL has already lost in court 2X on article 46 and this will make the 3rd

    drmtesta… your lucky you didn’t post with your facebook page because then everyone who knows you would also knows you’re a blowhard who knows nothing…

  47. If you believe this article.
    If I was innocent, as I believe Brady to be, I would stand hard on not admitting guilt. I still can’t believe some of you posters that will comment but not read all the documents available. They are shockingly different from what the media would have you believe.
    I will await the ruling and hope that justice prevails.
    I believe the NFLPA accepted this with the good faith that the”power” would not be abused. It has in this situation much like the players in the Saints scandal.
    There are no winners here. Brady will forever have to live with the fact the NFL ruin his reputation. Even if he wins there will always be the posters who make more out of this than it is. You are small people, educate yourselves and then come back here and post.
    The NFL looks bad here and it’s not about air pressure but absolute authority. If this happen watch out if you are a player. There will be no set guidelines for your suspension. Watch what happens to your favorite player next.

  48. Wow, it looks like the casual viewers are starting to pay attention again now that its coming down to the 4th quarter in this case. You can tell they are casual viewers because their comments are completely contradictory to what is already known about this case:

    1) The NFL is not above the law, and must follow the law of shop in arbitration
    2) The judge cannot find Tom Brady innocent or guilty
    3) The judge cannot break up his finding and hand down his own punishment
    4) The judge can either uphold or vacate the arbitration finding

    I always tell people that come in during the fourth quarter of a game that they are welcome to stay, but don’t start talking to me about strategy etc when they weren’t even there for the first 3 quarters…

  49. boknowsthis says:
    Aug 31, 2015 9:48 PM
    The NFL isn’t losing this case…reports of the judge condemning the league and commissioner is because the judge knows they have all they need to have because it’s their rules…plain and simple, it’s their rules and the players signed off on it…

    ———-
    So if Goodell next decides that Peyton Manning is taking PEDs–no particular reason, just seems likely to Goodell that he is–and says that Manning is suspended for two seasons, Manning just has to accept it? It’s NFL rules and that’s the end of it?

    Teddyrex above speaks to the legal aspect of this case better than I can. But what I find disturbing about this comment is what it seems to reveal about how powerless a lot of people in this country feel at work. I know there’s a lot of Pats hate in there too, but this whole line of argument–which is very common–stems from the basic idea that the boss is king and can do whatever the hell he wants and you the worker have to accept it. No recourse.

    It’s interesting. With all the talk of freedom in this country, we have perhaps the most subservient work force in the Western world.

  50. whitetrash69 says:
    Aug 31, 2015 10:27 PM

    cwwgk is right on the money!
    Many of us have been saying this all along but certain so called “legal experts” refused to address this because either they aren’t knowledgeable about labor laws, or it prevented them from writing hundreds of deflategate articles. Whichever it is, I don’t care, I know we’re right and it reveals those “legal experts” true character. It would be unprecedented if Brady’s suspension gets overturned with an intact CBA, and that is a fact, Jack!
    ==========

    This.

    The judge is grilling the NFL because they know it’s the NFL with the legal standing and to get a settlement the NFL has to give.

    Brady’s guilty, a cheater and has hair plugs.

    Fact.

  51. teddyrex says:
    Aug 31, 2015 10:08 PM
    ybthatway says:
    Aug 31, 2015 9:55 PM

    The NFL isn’t losing this case….right or wrong has no play in this anymore…the judge will go by law and the NFL has it in their favor, thats why they are in court…reports of the judge condemning the league and commissioner is because the judge knows they have all they need to have because it’s their rules…plain and simple, it’s their rules and the players signed off on it…
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    Exactly…… and by agreeing to this type of discipline the players gained something they deemed more important to them.

    You can’t have your cake and eat it to.
    ______________________

    Apparently, it’s amateur hour. Trust me (and Florio, and Dan Wallach, and Mike McCann, and anyone else who has actually studied or practiced in commercial or labor law), the NFL is not winning this case. The whole claim that the players “agreed” to this in the CBA is a farce. They agreed to let Goodell hear cases. They did not agree to let Goodell hear cases UNFAIRLY or WHILE EVIDENTLY BIASED…………………………………………………………………………………..So basically, if you’re rooting for Goodell at this point, you are something close to a fascist.
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    Well I happen to be a Lawyer, and STRONGLY disagree with your position. You can try and blather on in an attempt to bore the opposition with your pay per word diatribe, but in the end the Judge will recognize the truth and the NFL will prevail…

  52. A more relevant assessment from Mike Florio would be this: What legal ramifications lie in store for Tom Brady if he does, in fact, acknowledge even partial responsibility for the balls being deflated, given his previous testimony, under oath, that he had no such knowledge/responsibility? Does he then face potential perjury charges? And if so, who would file those charges? The NFL? The court? How does that work?

  53. Anyone else tired of hearing about this crap besides me!?
    If I got caught doing some underhanded crap at work I’d
    be fired, let alone suspended!! I make a whopping $24.19 an hour and I’ve been at my job longer than Brady has been
    in the NFL! Quit being a baby and accept your punishment already!! 🙂

  54. It’s interesting. With all the talk of freedom in this country, we have perhaps the most subservient work force in the Western world.
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    Do you actually read over what you post before pressing the submit button?……….yes, those poor “subservient” millionaire football players…..oh the horror!!!

  55. If the Patriots and Brady are so innocent, why did the Patriots accept the fine and draft picks penalty and then subsequent fire the 2 staff. By the tone of most these comments, they did nothing wrong, yet these two guys get gassed?

    I’ve said it before, if Brady didn’t do it, the only reason not to hand over the phone is he was cheating on his wife….in which case 4 games seems kind of light.

  56. Just a friendly reminder, NFL executives testified during Brady’s hearing that nobody involved had ever heard of the ideal gas law. Not a single person involved in the initial testing and investigation knew that pressure changes occur when inflated objects are heated or cooled. Faced with that possibility, their only possible outcomes were a finding of either: 1) cheating, or 2) witchcraft.

    That’s the level of dunce we’re dealing with here.

  57. Fact…The Missouri Supreme court has already ruled against article 46…Goodell cannot act as arbitrator for the Rams and Chiefs cases

    Fact…Adrian Peterson has already had his arbitration decision vacated by the federal Court in Minnesota..though the NFL is appealing, their chances of winning are not good.

    Fact the “major” finding of the Steve Garvey MLB case was not hat the arbitrator deserves great deference, but that lower courts are not allowed to substitute their own findings in place of an arbitrator’s award. It was expounded to indicate that the arbitrator would be given great deference WHEN they did not break the law

    So all you amateur lawyers explain how you KNOW the NFL has legal standing?

  58. The vast majority of the country (everywhere but new england) believe Brady cheated. If people believe he cheated and he gets away with it, people start to lose interest in the games and the golden goose begins to shrink. And the other 31 owners not named Kraft don’t want that to happen. That’s why the NFL is dug in.

  59. I can’t wait to see you all back here when Brady wins…oh wait…you won’t be…you’ll be in the house of shame asking Roger to make room on the couch…

  60. Just a friendly reminder, NFL executives testified during Brady’s hearing that nobody involved had ever heard of the ideal gas law
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    Wikipedia:The ideal gas law is the equation of state of a hypothetical ideal gas. It is a good approximation to the behavior of many gases under many conditions, although it has several limitations

    So we are talking about a “Theory” with “several limitations”……ya that is rock solid…..

  61. Well I happen to be a Lawyer, and STRONGLY disagree with your position. You can try and blather on in an attempt to bore the opposition with your pay per word diatribe, but in the end the Judge will recognize the truth and the NFL will prevail…
    ===
    Disagreement is cheap. Make an argument, counselor. The proprietor has, as have many others with specific interest and expertise in this area of law. Address the arguments proposed by Kessler, McCann, Gunn, Milstein, McCabe and Wallach. Distinguish this case from the 19 cases Kessler cited. Tell me why Garvey applies, or doesn’t. Explain why Goodell doesn’t have to follow federal law when arbitrating.

    Make an argument.

  62. I always tell people that come in during the fourth quarter of a game that they are welcome to stay, but don’t start talking to me about strategy etc when they weren’t even there for the first 3 quarters…
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    Have you ever thought that your attitude may be why they aren’t showing up until the 4th quarter?

  63. whitetrash69 says:
    Aug 31, 2015 10:27 PM
    cwwgk is right on the money!
    Many of us have been saying this all along but certain so called “legal experts” refused to address this because either they aren’t knowledgeable about labor laws, or it prevented them from writing hundreds of deflategate articles. Whichever it is, I don’t care, I know we’re right and it reveals those “legal experts” true character. It would be unprecedented if Brady’s suspension gets overturned with an intact CBA, and that is a fact, Jack!

    Unprecedented? Hardly. In fact, Judge Berman himself vacated an arbitrator’s decision where the grievant was a member union with a CBA just last April.

    And in that case, the arbitrator hadn’t violated the spirit of the CBA as egregiously and as many times as Goodell did in this case.

    The CBA contains specific punishments for first-time equipment violations with intent to gain competitive advantage (such as using stickum), and it’s an ~$8,000 fine. Fundamental labor law says that you cannot employ a more general regulation, such as “conduct detrimental,” to circumvent the limitations imposed by an applicable more specific regulation.

    Additionally, another fundamental principle in labor law, contra proferentem dictates that in contract disputes, if their is any ambiguity in the terms of the contract, the correct reading is the one that that works against the interests of the party that provides the wording — which, in labor cases, is considered the employer.

    So even if Brady was 100% proven to be guilty, as opposed to “more likely than not” “generally aware,” the CBA dictates that the appropriate punishment is an ~$8,000 fine. Goodell’s ruling is in clear violation of terms of the CBA, and thus should be vacated.

  64. Well I happen to be a Lawyer, and STRONGLY disagree with your position. You can try and blather on in an attempt to bore the opposition with your pay per word diatribe, but in the end the Judge will recognize the truth and the NFL will prevail…
    ===
    If you can’t see the precedential effect this case would have on non-millionaire arbitration cases….

    Well.. I feel sorry for your clients.

  65. Even if TB cheated it had zero affect on the game. The Colts also had balls short on air. I could go on and on. But what TB may have done amounted to an ant. What the league is doing is taking a sledgehammer to it. The NFL is trying to save face out of desperation for the screw ups in domestic violence situations. What the NFL does not get is that game integrity is not more important than public appearance. Their respective importance should be of equal value. Until the league gets that if it ever does(doubtful) and if I am every team in the league I should be worried unless as I suspect is true all the other owners came at the Pats with their puppets Goodell Vincent et.al

  66. ztigr says:
    Aug 31, 2015 10:47 PM

    I can’t wait to see you all back here when Brady wins…oh wait…you won’t be…you’ll be in the house of shame asking Roger to make room on the couch…
    __
    1. You (and your ilk) said the same thing before the appeals verdict came down.
    2. You (and your ilk) basically ONLY frequent these Brady threads; you’re nowhere to be found in the other 99% of the football threads.
    3. You (and your ilk) are shills — either paid, or volunteer.
    4. I guarantee that after this whole mess is over, you (and your ilk) will be nowhere to be found.

  67. ybthatway says:
    Aug 31, 2015 10:38 PM
    It’s interesting. With all the talk of freedom in this country, we have perhaps the most subservient work force in the Western world.
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    Do you actually read over what you post before pressing the submit button?……….yes, those poor “subservient” millionaire football players…..oh the horror!!!

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    Do you read over the comments you are trying to respond to? Look at mine again and you will see the point is not about football players but about people’s attitude toward their work (as reflected in their opinions about Deflategate). The subservient workers are the ones who believe that there are no labor laws (for themselves) and that a corporation is free to do whatever it wants to them. Maybe you fall into that camp, I don’t know.

  68. The worst part about this whole thing is that Ugg promoting, multi-millionaire Tom Brady cheated and is now using the NFLPA to pay for his legal fees. All the players who he cheated against are paying for him to keep cheating! You can’t make this stuff up!

  69. greenegggrillin says:
    Aug 31, 2015 9:42 PM
    It’s crazy that the league treats one of their marquee players so poorly, what are they really trying to accomplish? It’s beyond punishing him or the Pats at this point.
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    It’s about power, pure and simple. Goodell and most of the owners want Goodell to have pretty much absolute power when it comes to dealing with players. That’s why it was such a sticking point in the CBA negotiations. Since Goodell has taken over as commissioner, the league has been working to erode the power of the players, and move even more power into the hands of the league office and owners. If the league can get the suspension of a marquee player like Brady to stick when their own lawyer admitted in court that they had no evidence that Brady did anything wrong, it will put the fear of God into the players, and make them more compliant in the future.

  70. Ztigr
    Classic Pats fan tactic is to insult. Why? Because their entire self image has been destroyed by TB and BB taking short cuts. They got caught this time.
    A-Last I checked the judge has not ruled. We are a long way from over. No one has any idea how he will rule.
    B- The NFL followed its process. whether you like it or not. RG made very clear why this case is different than others. Consequently the penalty is different.
    C- AP case is in appeal, let’s see how that works out.
    Oh and D- stop defending cheaters, it’s a bad look. Night night

  71. whitetrash69 says:
    Aug 31, 2015 9:44 PM

    The NFL DID negotiate for an out of court settlement. You’re correct, it is irrelevant now but its on the record they tried.
    Regardless, I don’t see how a judge could break a contractual agreement because Brady didn’t like the process. In fact, it would be highly irregular to step outside of the CBA and vacate the decision if the employer acted within the mutually agreed upon contract. Wouldn’t that set a poor legal precedent and open the floodgates for more of these cases? It seems highly unlikely a judge would choose to breech an agreement if the CBA is intact.

    ________

    What people seem to be ignoring is that the CBA doesn’t provide complete free reign for Goodell to do as he pleases. There are rules to about deception, falsifying evidence, and unfair processes which were ignored in this case. I believe that the judge will overturn this due to the impartiality of the Wells’ report and the NFL’s appeal process. Evidence which did not fit the NFL’s theory was excluded from the reports, misleading and partial testimonials and fragmented texts were included, witnesses were hidden under false attorney client privilege, and many clarifying statements were only included (or buried) in footnotes of the report.

    During the “appeals” process, Goodell carefully controlled witness testimony to not include people that could exonerate Brady and the Patriots–thus excluding their testimony from Federal Court. He also manipulated the timing of the appeals results to allow the NFL to file their preemptory lawsuit and manipulate where the case would be heard. (This is a highly unusual practice for an organization that actually thought they we being fair.)

    But go ahead and believe what you want… the evidence points to the NFL losing face whether or not the judge vacates the suspension.

  72. For those that didn’t get it the first time. The NFL would only agree to any reduction IF Tom Brady is ready to admit to being guilty.

    Tom Brady will admit ONLY to “Not Cooperating” with the investigation. That is NOT an admission of guilt, so no agreement.

    The NFL will win. In 9 out of 10 previous similar cases, the courts had to rule with the CBA. The CBA gives 100% to the Commish, right or wrong in this particular type of case.

    And Judge Doty was NOT commenting on this case last week, he was commenting on the NFL’s lack of a response to his ruling against them in Adrian Peterson’s case. That is the ‘Contempt of Court’ Doty referred to, not Tom Brady.

    The case against Tom Brady is not the same. They are totally different. Tom’s case, as written in the CBA gives the NFL all the leverage to give him any penalty they want.

    Adrian’s case, Judge Doty cut the penalty from 10 weeks to 2 weeks as per the specific wording in the CBA.

  73. Well I happen to be a Lawyer, and STRONGLY disagree with your position. You can try and blather on in an attempt to bore the opposition with your pay per word diatribe, but in the end the Judge will recognize the truth and the NFL will prevail…
    ===
    If you can’t see the precedential effect this case would have on non-millionaire arbitration cases….

    Well.. I feel sorry for your clients.
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    The CBA is specific to the NFL. The NFL is a unique business and because of this, no precedent will be relevant to other arbitration cases.

    Time to take down the shingle Perry Mason…

    Oh, and my clients are quite content…

  74. ybthatway says:
    Aug 31, 2015 10:38 PM
    It’s interesting. With all the talk of freedom in this country, we have perhaps the most subservient work force in the Western world.
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    Do you actually read over what you post before pressing the submit button?……….yes, those poor “subservient” millionaire football players…..oh the horror!!!

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    Do you read over the comments you are trying to respond to? Look at mine again and you will see the point is not about football players but about people’s attitude toward their work (as reflected in their opinions about Deflategate). The subservient workers are the ones who believe that there are no labor laws (for themselves) and that a corporation is free to do whatever it wants to them. Maybe you fall into that camp, I don’t know.
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    I read over your comment, and I have to refer you to my above post….the horror….

  75. mrone50 says:
    Aug 31, 2015 9:45 PM
    THIS GOES All THE Way Back When THE NFL allowed Brady to play in the superbowl. The league was trying to throw Brady a bone. But he is so arrogant he chose to fight back. Now we have this on going mess. He should have took whatever deal Goddell and Kraft settled on.
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    He’s so arrogant he chose to fight back? When has defending one’s self ever been considered arrogance? The league’s own lawyer admitted in court that they had no evidence he did anything wrong. Let me repeat that: They punished him, and upheld that punishment on appeal, despite the fact that they had no evidence that he did anything wrong. Who wouldn’t fight back under those circumstances?

  76. Oh and all that thumbs down me re” game integrity and public appearance don’t get it either. The NFL’s Gov body should be above reproach. It all should be above board.

  77. PFT is the mouthpiece of Kraft and Brady. It’s as simple as that.
    ===
    FWIW: Florio was in the “hang ‘me high” camp until he read TWR and the arbitration transcript.

    Exposure to primary source documents first made him a skeptic and then put him in the “Free Brady” camp. Funny how that works…

  78. GNATs fans coming on here and talking about cheating. That’s rich

    They would know all about it: they were caught ON CAMERA cheating against the lowly Rams faking injuries.
    ***New York Giants**** = Cheaters

    FOREVER TARNISHED BECAUSE WHO KNOWS HOW MUCH competitive advantage they’ve gained all these years with the “out of the blue” sudden injuries they’ve been faking since before the AFL/NFL merger.

    All of their “trophies” have Manhattan sized Asterisks next to them

    So at least you go that going for ya …..Cheetas!!!

  79. The CBA is specific to the NFL. The NFL is a unique business and because of this, no precedent will be relevant to other arbitration cases.

    Time to take down the shingle Perry Mason…

    Oh, and my clients are quite content…
    ===
    And lawyers never, ever cite cases that are tangentially related to the case at hand…

    How many times have we heard about Garvey here?

  80. Abortion is not birth control! Brady is ruining this country! First Bill Cosby, then Jared, now Brady. Save us Belicheat!!!!

  81. Another false story by the NFL. There is no way Brady ever agreed to any suspension. This report is false and absolutely ludicrous.

    Its amazing the lies the NFL tries to tell thru ESPN and its own Network.

    Brady did nothing wrong and this report is bogus

  82. ybthatway says:
    Aug 31, 2015 11:01 PM

    Well I happen to be a Lawyer, and STRONGLY disagree with your position. You can try and blather on in an attempt to bore the opposition with your pay per word diatribe, but in the end the Judge will recognize the truth and the NFL will prevail…
    ===
    If you can’t see the precedential effect this case would have on non-millionaire arbitration cases….

    Well.. I feel sorry for your clients.
    ————————————-

    The CBA is specific to the NFL. The NFL is a unique business and because of this, no precedent will be relevant to other arbitration cases.

    Time to take down the shingle Perry Mason…

    Oh, and my clients are quite content…
    ————–

    But it’s Tom Brady!!!!

    Whaaaaaaaaaaa

    LOL

  83. But go ahead and believe what you want… the evidence points to Brady and the Patriots losing face whether or not the judge vacates the suspension.

    There I fixed it for you.

  84. greenegggrillin says: Aug 31, 2015 9:42 PM

    It’s crazy that the league treats one of their marquee players so poorly, what are they really trying to accomplish? It’s beyond punishing him or the Pats at this point.
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    I’m on the other side of that. In the NFL’s burden of proof, it was more likely than not that Brady knew about the scheme.

    OK, that is cheating. To me, it would be crazy to risk cheating at a game that has given me, my family, and my team mates so much.

  85. This report comes from the NFL

    Why would anyone believe anything from them at this point

    That being said I trust Rappaport more than I trust anyone at ESPN

    Sad when the NFL’s commissioned media network has more credibility than the Erroneous Sports Propaganda Network

  86. Even if TB cheated it had zero affect on the game………. I could go on and on. But what TB may have done amounted to an ant.
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    Above is an example of a Patriots’ fan slowly coming to the realization that his hero is about to actually be suspended, so he is hedging his bet….

  87. FoozieGrooler says:
    Aug 31, 2015 9:45 PM
    So now Brady is leaning towards accepting responsibility and admitting he cheated.
    He’s done.
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    You clearly didn’t read the article. The report from NFL.com that we can’t confirm because we don’t know the source (most likely from the league since Brady isn’t talking to them), is that:

    1. The league was willing to cut the suspension to 2 games if Brady “accepted responsibility” and accepted the findings of the Wells report.

    2. Brady was willing to accept a 1 game suspension for failing to fully cooperate with the Wells investigation, but maintained that he had no part in the deflation of footballs, nor would he accept the Wells report finding that footballs had actually been deflated.

    3. Neither side actually made an offer to the other party because Judge Berman listened to both proposals and realized that they’d never come to an agreement.

    Again, this was from a report on NFL.com, and the author (Ian Rapoport) never named his source. I believe the description of the source was something like “someone familiar with Brady’s thinking”. That’s a pretty vague description. For all we know, it could be nothing more than someone from the league office that has met with him before.

  88. Florio, in the beginning, tried pulling one over everyone’s heads that he had no bias in this but after a while it became clear he did. I don’t know if his bias is because he likes the Patriots or just hates the NFL for some reason but it has been clear for some time that every article he writes in this situation is to make the NFL look bad and Brady/NFLPA look good. This is s clear example of it.

    He said the NFL wouldn’t budge except they were willing to reduce the suspension by 1 game (maybe even 2) if Brady admitted to some kind of acknowledgement of what happened and tried to paint Brady as good by saying that he was willing to accept a game suspension for failure to cooperate. The funny thing is, both sides were offering the same deals but on opposite ends of the spectrum and not budging. They were both willing to reduce/accept a 1 game suspension for acknowledgement/not cooperating (notice the not cooperating part for Brady and still being able to get off on any wrongdoing of deflating balls) in deals. Yet Brady was willing to do something and the NFL wasn’t.

    But hey, let your bias continue. Just don’t think you’re fooling anyone other than Patriot sheep, who will believe anything that paints their team and God in a good light.

  89. The judge is working more on the NFL because they have hand.

    Brady’s not guilty; well not as guilty as Belichick, but he decided to take the sword.

    Don’t negotiate NFL.

    Four games was already too light for repeating cheating.

  90. ybthatway says:
    Aug 31, 2015 11:03 PM
    ybthatway says:
    Aug 31, 2015 10:38 PM

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    Do you read over the comments you are trying to respond to? Look at mine again and you will see the point is not about football players but about people’s attitude toward their work (as reflected in their opinions about Deflategate). The subservient workers are the ones who believe that there are no labor laws (for themselves) and that a corporation is free to do whatever it wants to them. Maybe you fall into that camp, I don’t know.
    ———————
    I read over your comment, and I have to refer you to my above post….the horror….

    ——–
    Well in that case you obviously have a problem with reading comprehension. Your response had nothing to do with what I said. Good luck!

  91. Ybthayway. If you really are a lawyer then you are a frixkin moron. CBA cannot violate Federal Labor Law. What part of that do you not understand moron?

    Arbitration has to be impartial which clearly if you think Goodell was impartial i have some swampland in florida to sell you.

    Your arguments are absolutely ludicrous. Stupid is as stupid does. Amazing how dumb some of you are in this forum.

  92. Well I happen to be a Lawyer, and STRONGLY disagree with your position. You can try and blather on in an attempt to bore the opposition with your pay per word diatribe, but in the end the Judge will recognize the truth and the NFL will prevail…
    ===
    Disagreement is cheap. Make an argument, counselor. The proprietor has, as have many others with specific interest and expertise in this area of law. Address the arguments proposed by Kessler, McCann, Gunn, Milstein, McCabe and Wallach. Distinguish this case from the 19 cases Kessler cited. Tell me why Garvey applies, or doesn’t. Explain why Goodell doesn’t have to follow federal law when arbitrating.

    Make an argument.
    ————————————-

    I could prepare a very thorough rebuttal addressing all of your concerns, but at $475 per hour, your bill at the end may be substantial. Were you planning on using Visa or Master Card?

  93. Go Brady!!! Can you imagine all the stuff the NFL hid from players (concussion stuff). Goodell really stinks! He needs to go. I’m anEagles fan so not biased!

  94. boknowsthis says:
    Aug 31, 2015 9:48 PM
    The NFL isn’t losing this case….right or wrong has no play in this anymore…the judge will go by law and the NFL has it in their favor, thats why they are in court…reports of the judge condemning the league and commissioner is because the judge knows they have all they need to have because it’s their rules…plain and simple, it’s their rules and the players signed off on it…
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    First of all, the fact that the NFL is fighting this in court doesn’t mean anything. They’ve lost quite a few court cases. Under Goodell, their track record in court is pretty bad, acutally. Furthermore, all the players “signed off on” in the CBA is that the commissioner would be in charge of the process. That agreement still predicts that the process is fair and impartial. In other words, the commissioner isn’t empowered to do anything for whatever reason he wants. If the judge finds that the process was flawed, he can rule against the league and vacate the punishment. Something very similar has already happened with Adrian Peterson. Finally, to be precise, it’s hard to say the players “signed off on” Goodell’s power. It’s more accurate to say that the owners beat them into submission during the CBA negotiations.

  95. The CBA is specific to the NFL. The NFL is a unique business and because of this, no precedent will be relevant to other arbitration cases.
    ===
    The CBA allows Goodell to arbitrate. He still has to act like an arbitrator under FAA. NFLPA says that Goodell violated FAA. If this award is upheld, this behavior will be considered valid under FAA. Subsequent cases will cite this one to justify their own screwy arbitrations. That’s a precedential effect.

    Lawyered.

  96. Yes, the CBA gives Goodell the right to be arbitrator. He then must hear the case as an arbitrator, which requires he be free from bias and prejudice.

    Anyone really believe he is? Since it’s been shown Goodell is NOT free of bias and prejudice, Brady’s suspension was never heard by an arbitrator, as required by the CBA, and therefore a violation of the CBA.

    Berman will send it back to arbitration, and possibly appoint an arbitrator himself…..OR….he just simply rule himself based on the existing evidence (or lack of) and testimony (or lack of). Either way, it’s going to appeal and Brady’s suspension is on hold for now.

  97. Ybthayway. If you really are a lawyer then you are a frixkin moron. CBA cannot violate Federal Labor Law. What part of that do you not understand moron?

    Arbitration has to be impartial which clearly if you think Goodell was impartial i have some swampland in florida to sell you.

    Your arguments are absolutely ludicrous. Stupid is as stupid does. Amazing how dumb some of you are in this forum.
    —————————–

    Do you feel better now after calling me childish names? We both know that the name calling is due to your frustration in realizing that your Hero, a Professional Athlete, Cheated.

  98. I’m a Bills fan who has seen Brady tear my team apart for the last 14 years and also get the benefit of playing the Pats in week 2.

    However, I hope Brady is cleared of all charges and doesn’t miss a game to expose the corruption in the NFL front office.

  99. sbaltimore says:
    Aug 31, 2015 9:56 PM

    “The question of what Brady would have done is irrelevant, since the NFL’s position prevented negotiations from ever accelerating.”

    This “conclusion” is illogical. The NFL clearly was open to compromise. It’s Brady who stubbornly refuses to admit guilt. But he doesn’t have that option. HE is clearly the one preventing negotiations from ever accelerating, not the other way around.
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    If you actually believe that, and I’m sure you do, it is obvious that you, like legions of others on these boards and around the country, are not well acquainted with the FACTS of this case. Stop reading headlines and start actually looking at what the NFL has done here. This is a calculated attempt to FRAME a player so that the NFL can set precedent for later discipline. Every single ball that was tested falls within spec perfectly with the Ideal Gas Law and those numbers are CONFIRMED by the Wells report. But Wells and his crew, being the total screw ups they are, were too lazy, stupid and greedy to do anything but come to the predetermined outcome the NFL wanted.

  100. The CBA is specific to the NFL. The NFL is a unique business and because of this, no precedent will be relevant to other arbitration cases.
    ===
    The CBA allows Goodell to arbitrate. He still has to act like an arbitrator under FAA. NFLPA says that Goodell violated FAA. If this award is upheld, this behavior will be considered valid under FAA. Subsequent cases will cite this one to justify their own screwy arbitrations. That’s a precedential effect.

    Lawyered.
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    Sir you are clearly grasping at straws, and I don’t have the time nor patience to try to explain the intricacies of this case to a person that obviously has an Enormous Affection/Hero Worship for Mr. Brady. Think what you will, but the Judge will rule for the NFL.

    Reality

  101. drake1937 says:
    Aug 31, 2015 10:40 PM
    If the Patriots and Brady are so innocent, why did the Patriots accept the fine and draft picks penalty and then subsequent fire the 2 staff. By the tone of most these comments, they did nothing wrong, yet these two guys get gassed?

    I’ve said it before, if Brady didn’t do it, the only reason not to hand over the phone is he was cheating on his wife….in which case 4 games seems kind of light.
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    Kraft accepted punishment because he thought that it would put an end to the ordeal and let everyone get back to football. Remember, he’s an owner. Making the league look bad isn’t all that good for business.

    As for Brady’s phone, he would have been crazy to hand it over. All of those false info leaks coming out of the league office prove that. They didn’t need to find a smoking gun. All they had to do was take his personal communications, twist them, and leak them to the press to make him look bad in general. Besides, the league had no legal right to his phone. No lawyer is going to recommend that their client hand over something like that when the other side has no standing to demand it.

  102. OK here is why TB did not cheat. When footballs and baseballs come out of the packaging they are like ice. The MLB for example knows the pitchers scuff the balls so they have control and don’t go flying at a hitters head uncontrolled. The MLB allows it up to a point. Meanwhile the NFL allows it so QB’s don;t throw the ball backwards with full intent of throwing it forward. That would look comical. So QBs are allowed to doctor balls to their specifications for integrity of performance so the NFL doesn’t look ridiculous. With that said the NFL I have seen has stated they do not use calibrated gauges. I have also seen that you cannot gauge proper measurements without one. So yes there is a max and min for air in footballs. But how can you measure it consistently and where do we draw the line for QB’s to doctor footballs to where they like em to what is illegal?

  103. Multiple, non-biased lawyers (Steph Stradley, Daniel Wallach, Ian Gunn are three I’ve been following) have stated that the NFLPA has a very good chance of winning this case, for the multiple reasons teddyrex stated.

    Now, I get that the haters got all taken in by ESPN and NFL Network carrying the league’s water for several months now. The “legal expert” Lester Munson (who was disbarred and hasn’t actually been a lawyer for over 20 years now) has done a great job of making you all feel certain that mean old Tom Brady is going to have to sit for four games. I get that the multiple, demonstrable lies that Goodell and the league have told don’t really bother the haters, because let’s be honest: it’s not about the rules or integrity or cheating. It’s about wanting to see the Patriots lose.

  104. It amazes me how few people actually read articles and understand both sides before they form an opinion. Politicians count on that with their sound bites and the NFL (Kensil) counted on that when leaking false information to Mortensen(still waiting for an admission that the info. regarding 11 of 12 balls that was leaked was erroneous).

    The NFL’s offer for settlement based on Brady admitting guilt was a smokescreen. They knew that the Wells Report has no clear evidence that anyone did anything wrong so they have tried to use the media and bully tactics to get Brady to admit something that he likely did NOT do.

    I think the judge rules in Brady’s favor, based on the parameters of the filing in his court (to uphold the 4 game suspension). Regardless of the CBA, there is no legal precedent that suggests that such a ruling by Goodell is reasonable, given the pure lack of evidence. At most, the NFL had a fine for non-cooperation, but Kensil let his hurt pride blind him and Goodell couldn’t see that it was Kensil that was leading him down a bad path. Throw in random comments by Team Owners and others who stress the need for parity and you wind up with a botched frame job of one of the greatest players in NFL history.

    Would love to see the judge turn the tables on the NFL League office by commenting that the sheer veracity with which they pursued this matter on such flimsy evidence suggests there is more underlying motive that should be considered and, perhaps, investigated…not that he could order such an investigation, but the commentary would be interesting….

  105. Just a friendly reminder, NFL executives testified during Brady’s hearing that nobody involved had ever heard of the ideal gas law
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    Wikipedia:The ideal gas law is the equation of state of a hypothetical ideal gas. It is a good approximation to the behavior of many gases under many conditions, although it has several limitations

    So we are talking about a “Theory” with “several limitations”……ya that is rock solid…..

    6 4
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    Last time I checked a “law” isn’t a “theory”, it’s a law. Getting your information from Wikipedia, “Ya that is rock solid”

  106. Smasonsmith says:

    “The CBA allows Goodell to arbitrate. He still has to act like an arbitrator under FAA. NFLPA says that Goodell violated FAA. If this award is upheld, this behavior will be considered valid under FAA. Subsequent cases will cite this one to justify their own screwy arbitrations. That’s a precedential effect.

    Lawyered.”

    Um, you clearly do not understand the meaning of the word “precedent” in the legal context. Judge Berman’s ruling, at the federal district court level, will have no stare decisis effect on any other case in the country. He’s not an appellate judge.

    Lawyered.

  107. This report is nonsense. Reporters make up supposed stories all the time in a stupid attempt to get a reaction. Brady did nothing wrong, there is no proof he did anything wrong, he had no knowledge of anyone doing anything wrong and the judge couldn’t get the NFL attorney’s to provide the court with any proof a all. Brady wants, and will get, a 100% clearance or they go to trial. He will never accept agreeing to a charge he never did. Unlike most in the media, Brady has character.

  108. Reality is…

    Brady probably told his guy: “Dude make sure the balls aren’t over-inflated”.

    The “Deflator”, probably sticks a needle in for a second or so, and goes on his merry way.

    Truth is…

    The Colts management wouldn’t care about these details if they could figure out a way to win football games.

    The NFL office and media contributed to a story being way more than it should of been.

    The problem is…

    The NFL’s policy on personal conduct and discipline is unbalanced AND subject to public opinion (eg. Ray Rice). It comes across as capricious.

    The solution…

    We as fans let our respective teams and the NFL know about our displeasure with the NFL’s procedures.

    Whether you are a Brady fan or not, Deflategate has turned into an Orwellian out-of-control regime.

    BOYCOTT! BOYCOTT! BOYCOTT the weeks that Brady is suspended!

  109. The grounds for vacating Goodell’s appeal ruling exist in violating Brady’s basic rights that supersede the CBA.

    All the league had to do was give Brady a fair hearing and due process. They couldn’t even do that. They had him and still screwed it up. How anybody can believe the commissioner is competent is beyond me. Is he just stupid?

  110. Seems only 1 side was willing to work out a reasonable deal. The NFL couldn’t find squat so they tried to force Brady to admit guilt?! Cmon Rodger! You should be fired for being that incompetent!

  111. He is to funny and making NFL look like puppets. Yes he lied and cheated to win and this is likely not the first time but he just got caught this time. Now he wants to set the punishment himself. Well if allowed he will order what else he wants and give the Judge his orders too. King Tom rules and will cheat and lie again to steal another Super Bowl.

  112. This league is so arrogant. Mara shows up and is willing to reduce Brady’s suspension by one game. Just in time for Brady to come back for the Patriots game against no other than….. the Cowboys! Wow! And they try to preach integrity.

  113. If I were “innocent” I wouldn’t accept being suspended for a single _quarter_ much less a game. Sock it to ’em, League.

  114. The legal definition of an arbitrator is a 3rd or neutral party settling dispute with consent of all parties. The judge may rule that the CBA is not lawful in that Goodell is not a neutral 3rd party, thereby making the CBA’s arbitration clause void. Brady wins this case IMO, and is only trying to settle to save the NFL from embarrassment.

  115. Let’s just get this over with. As a Raven fan I really don’t care anymore. The sad part I am afraid is if the Judge rules either way, it will be appealed. Let’s PLAY FOOTBALL not judge Judy.

  116. Ybthatway says:
    Aug 31, 2015 11:12 PM
    But go ahead and believe what you want… the evidence points to Brady and the Patriots losing face whether or not the judge vacates the suspension.

    There I fixed it for you.
    ——–
    If you’ve read everything that has been said and presented about this case you’d realize that’s just not true and the only thing that has been fixed was the case.

    The NFL has lost all credibility and have tarnished the integrity that they hold so dear.

  117. The ignorance displayed here is astounding.

    The constant whining about BB playing up to the limit of the rules is insipid.

    Is there a specified distance from the rules beyond which one must stay? The sideline is the sideline. If you touch it, you’re out, but you tiptoe as close as you can when necessary. D Linemen get as close to the LOS as possible and try to guess the snap so they can get a edge. The rule doesn’t say you can get close but not too close.

    It’s called football and since the day it was invented, it’s been played as close to the limit as possible, by every player and coach in the league. Any suggestion otherwise is born of ignorance or jealousy.

  118. Tom Brady isn’t going to play the first four games this year. This whole legal issue has hurt the Patriots because Brady has been wrapped up in this for too long. Belichick should have been playing the backup with the ones all preseason so that he would be ready. If by a miracle Brady was able to play he really doesn’t need the reps with the number one O. The guy is that good.

  119. People still continue to make comments that reflect that they haven’t read anything. You are the people that the NFL LOVES they sit in conference rooms with their marketing people and say these are the IDIOTS that we are going to target with our propaganda, we will feed them lies and because they hate the Patriots they will believe it. IF this is true and Brady agreed to one game it was for Non-Cooperation but the NFL releases a statement that says Brady agreed to one game and all you haters jump right on board. It’s interesting to watch a witch hunt against a successful team that more often than not always beats your team but it won’t be as much fun when Goodell decides to target your team.

  120. Listening to Pats fans’ arguments is kind of like watching the captain rearrange deck chairs on the Titanic. 🙂

  121. nevyn49 says:
    Aug 31, 2015 11:52 PM

    I also heard that Aaron Hernandez was willing to plead no contest to murder in exchange for community service
    —–
    In the words of the philosopher Arte Johnson,

    Very clever, but stupid.

  122. paulieorkid says:
    Aug 31, 2015 9:37 PM

    “The question of what Brady would have done is irrelevant, since the NFL’s position prevented negotiations from ever accelerating.”

    Got an agenda you’re (again) driving, Florio? A more balanced way would be to concede the impasse is a product of BOTH sides’ inflexibility on the issue of Brady’s guilt.
    —————————
    You mean one guy knowing he is innocent and another guy trying to say he is guilty with no proof

  123. Ferdinand says:
    Aug 31, 2015 10:11 PM

    I hope players are saving their money because when it comes time for the next CBA negotiations there is going to be a prolonged strike/lockout. And this will be the catalyst for it more than anything else.
    ******************************************

    Couldn’t agree more…

    However, just like last time, the players will cave in once they start missing game checks.

  124. I almost hope Brady wins this case. Almost.

    The NFL may lose DeflateGate but it’s the Patri*ts who will be paying the long term price for it.

    Any rational NFL fan (escpecially Raider fans) knows the NFL will get even over time.

    Key penalties and non-calls will be the order of the day for the Patri*ts for a long, long time.

  125. Can someone please explain to me why everything has to become so complicated.

    1. Can the the ball boys who were fired by the New England Patriots be subpoenaed under oath by the judge and just asked them if Brady told them to deflate the footballs. Perjury charges if proven they are lying.

    2. If Hillary Clinton didn’t keep classified and top secret emails on her server, in what manner was she able to view classified and secret material then when she was Secretary of State ? What computer did she use?

    Simple questions !!!

  126. I could prepare a very thorough rebuttal addressing all of your concerns, but at $475 per hour, your bill at the end may be substantial. Were you planning on using Visa or Master Card?
    vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

    just one more reason everybody hates lawyers…

  127. He’s a cheater. He’s lied so much that he’s believing that he’s innocent. So he’s now a liar AND a cheater.

  128. This is how this went: Shady & company refuse to accept any responsibility or punishment during settlement talks. Then, his lawyers / agent release “report” after the end of settlement talks that he was open to one game…but, he really wasnt. He just wants to the judge to percieve him as being the side that was willing to settle in an attempt to paint the NFL as the one’s not willing to settle. First, I dont believe the report is true. Second, the guilty dont get to choose thier punishments. I hope the judge isnt a closet Patriots fan, because thats the only way he sides with shady brady.

  129. ybthatway says:
    Aug 31, 2015 10:47 PM

    Just a friendly reminder, NFL executives testified during Brady’s hearing that nobody involved had ever heard of the ideal gas law
    ———————-

    Wikipedia:The ideal gas law is the equation of state of a hypothetical ideal gas. It is a good approximation to the behavior of many gases under many conditions, although it has several limitations

    So we are talking about a “Theory” with “several limitations”……ya that is rock solid…..
    vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

    I could prepare a very thorough rebuttal addressing all of your concerns, but at $475 per hour, your bill at the end may be substantial. Were you planning on using Visa or Master Card?
    vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

    by any chance is your law firm called ‘exponent’?

    …yruthatway?

  130. Institutions with power and privilege vested a in a few men have littered history with injustice, persecuting great men in the process. The Roman Empire crucified Christ. Socrates, who was tried for, among other charges, corrupting the youth and impiety was the victim of powerful Athenians. Galileo and his understanding of the natural world was imprisoned by the Catholic Church. Gandhi was imprisoned by the British Empire through its colonial court. Nelson Mandela was imprisoned for 27 years by the South African apartheid government for treason.

    Each and every one of these institutions perceived themselves to be enlightened. Each and every one of these men were, in reality, the enlightened ones.

    The NFL, a hornets nest of men who have been gifted power and privilege and that surround themselves with sycophants like Roger Goodell, have targeted Brady because putting his head on the wall is a showcase of their power and is a message to all of the other players to kneel before them.

    This whole ordeal has only increased the stature of Tom Brady in my eyes.

  131. “One for the thumb says:
    Aug 31, 2015 10:01 PM
    Can someone who thinks the NFL has no chance of losing this case explain to me why Goodell doesn’t have to follow the responsibilities of an arbitrator defined in the LMRA and FAA?”

    I have been asking that question since the arbitration hearing took place and no one, certainly no one in the media, wants to answer that question. This is the definition of a kangaroo court.

  132. tigerlilac says:
    Sep 1, 2015 9:08 AM
    Institutions with power and privilege vested a in a few men have littered history with injustice, persecuting great men in the process. The Roman Empire crucified Christ. Socrates, who was tried for, among other charges, corrupting the youth and impiety was the victim of powerful Athenians. Galileo and his understanding of the natural world was imprisoned by the Catholic Church. Gandhi was imprisoned by the British Empire through its colonial court. Nelson Mandela was imprisoned for 27 years by the South African apartheid government for treason.

    __________

    This might be the most absolutely ridiculous thing I have ever read on this site, maybe on the Internet. Ever. Comparing Brady to Mandela or Socrates is… well, something only a Patriots fan could conceive. Amazing that with so many universities in New England, you are some of the most provincial, inane personalities in the country. They should change the Patriots logo to a diagram mapping your pathetic defense mechanisms.

  133. In any business agreement there is one word that even if implied and if even the implication is proven then it undoes everything. That word? bad faith. If TB’s side can prove bad faith then the NFL is in real trouble. Quite frankly how can anyone not see bad faith from the NFL here? There are many examples one of course is the false report about the balls being 2lbs short. That report was not contradicted for about 6 months. That is if nothing else by appearances a smear campaign carried out by the NFL. That’s not bad faith? Sorry to you hating trolls but how can that be anything else?

  134. limakey says:
    Aug 31, 2015 10:15 PM
    Jaxx, he did not testify under oath in a court of law. His bible thumping in appeals hearing means nothing. And why is it that Brady fans demand that because Tom said it, it has to be true? That his word must be taken as the absolute truth?
    ______________________________________
    Come on limakey, you take Goodell’s word as gospel when he has been shown to have lied repeatedly. And the NFL lawyers have already stated they have no absolute proof of any involvement by Brady. So isvit such a stretch for people to believe that Brady is telling the truth? I don’t think so.

  135. “The NFL isn’t losing this case….right or wrong has no play in this anymore…the judge will go by law”

    So @boknowsthis can you tell me what this “law” is and how it was broken?

  136. If Patriots fans really wanted to know the truth, they would demand that the equipment guys be allowed to speak. End of story. I’m sure most of you wake up in a cold sweat every night hoping the judge doesn’t call them in to testify.

  137. If Patriots fans really wanted to know the truth, they would demand that the equipment guys be allowed to speak. End of story. I’m sure most of you wake up in a cold sweat every night hoping the judge doesn’t call them in to testify.

    ———————————————-

    This is a labor disagreement between a union and management. The ball boys have nothing to do with it. Process, not underlying facts, are the issue.

  138. I’m sure most of you wake up in a cold sweat every night hoping the judge doesn’t call them in to testify.

    ———————————————-

    This is a labor disagreement between a union and management. The ball boys have nothing to do with it. Process, not underlying facts, are the issue.

  139. littlescuppernong says:
    Sep 1, 2015 9:48 AM

    If Patriots fans really wanted to know the truth, they would demand that the equipment guys be allowed to speak. End of story. I’m sure most of you wake up in a cold sweat every night hoping the judge doesn’t call them in to testify.

    —-
    They did speak at length during the Wells’ investigation. They were not called by Goodell during the appeal process and are therefore not allowed to be called to the court phase. This has been explained many times. Get facts first, then comment it will save a lot of time and frustration.

  140. When you’re guilty & you know it, accept a game
    When you’re guilty & you know it, accept a game
    When you’re guilty & you know it but you really don’t want to show it, deny everything & still accept a game..bada-da da-bump
    clap your hands…

  141. The NFL has no idea what a settlement is. Show me a case that a settlement was agreed on in which the party assumed guilt??? It never happens. NEVER. Time for the NFL to get off it’s high horse and fall back to reality.

  142. Equipment mgrs told Wells the truth and he found nothing. Thats why its not in the report.

    Wow some real geniuses in here. NFL didnt call them to testify because they werent fitting the NFL’s narrative that Brady cheated. Can you imagine the laughs the NFL would have gotten in their face? Did Tom Brady order you to delfate the footballs? NO. Did you deflate the footballs for Tom Brady? No. Havent you morons heard of the Ideal Gas Law Pash? Uh you are on trial not us. Lmao.

    Theres a reason for everything the NFL and mostly includes lieing and omitting anything that makes them look like the morons they are.

    Thats why the NFL wants everything sealed because they are corrupt and stupid to the core.

  143. Mike Reiss, ESPN Staff Writer
    FOXBOROUGH, Mass. — With Judge Richard M. Berman saying that he will rule Tuesday or Wednesday in NFL vs. New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady, anticipation and tension fills the New England air. While there will likely be an appeal filed by the losing side, meaning this won’t be an end point, it is still a key checkpoint.

    There are many layers of legal analysis and opinion to dissect, but from a bottom-line perspective, it can be boiled down to this: How powerful is Article 46 of the collective bargaining agreement?

    In football lingo, will Brady be sacked by the “46” defense?

    Article 46 represents the backbone of the NFL’s case against Brady, and it states that commissioner Roger Goodell has the authority to impose this level of discipline for what he deems a violation of the integrity or public confidence in the NFL.

    Because of Article 46, some experts have viewed the NFL’s position as iron-clad. Others aren’t as convinced.

    I admittedly have little background in law, but count me in the “others” category.

    Part of that is based on Berman’s aggressive questioning of the NFL in prior settlement discussions, even though analysts have cautioned from reading too much into that because it was a way for Berman to attempt to move the NFL toward a settlement. In the end, Gary Myers of the New York Daily News reported that the league wasn’t willing to move far.

    I recently discussed the case with a lawyer who made a point that resonated with me. The lawyer said the arbitration process under a collective bargaining agreement could be compared to signing a waiver at an amusement park. A patron might sign a waiver upon entering the park or a ride, but if the park is proven to be negligent, the terms of the waiver lose their meaning.

    In this case, if the process under the collective bargaining agreement is proven to be inherently unfair, can Berman really confirm the arbitration decision?

    It comes down to fairness, because a court wouldn’t assume anyone bargained for an unfair process.

    So one could argue that this is more about due process under the collective bargaining agreement, not necessarily the terms of the CBA itself (Article 46). Yes, the collective bargaining agreement governs absolutely, but due process can’t be bargained away completely.

    As for the due process of this case, the NFL didn’t allow general counsel Jeff Pash — who edited the Wells report — to be available for questioning at Brady’s appeal hearing. The NFL also claimed attorney client privilege to evidence in the Wells report, and as the NFL Players Association has argued, Brady was suspended under a provision that has never been applied to players before, with a never-used-before “general awareness” standard.

    Berman, through the settlement talks, seemed particularly annoyed with all of the above (and then some).

    But will that be enough for him to rule in Brady’s favor?

    The answer will tell us all we need to know about the power of Article 46.

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  144. At this point the NFL might as well stick to their guns and refuse to accept this extremely lowball offer by Brady and the Pats. The Pats/Brady could have made this all go away and accept a slap on the wrist in January. Instead they went the Lance Armstrong defense-method of blasting everyone else, thus forcing the NFL to investigate, which the Pats and Brady refused to cooperate.

    One game ONLY if Brady admits it publicly and apologizes for demanding apologies. He and Kraft already admitted it to Goodell. We’re a forgiving nation.

  145. I have got 2 words for ya bad faith. If TB’s side can prove bad faith it could even null and void the CBA because the power sought by Goodell and was granted well what was his intent stemming from said power? Was his intent to be a narcissistic ego maniacal beast whos word was the only law or to be a fair minded judge?

  146. “A more balanced way would be to concede the impasse is a product of BOTH sides’ inflexibility on the issue of Brady’s guilt.”

    Well, demanding that a person “admit guilt” is a very non-standard thing to do in settlement negotiations. And given that Brady testified under oath to the contrary, this negotiation was always a non-starter.

    Imagine if Brady’s side had been demanding that they would only accept a settlement that including the NFL taking “responsibility” for all the lies that have been leaked to the media. Then both sides would be “equally guilty”.

  147. granadafan says:
    Sep 1, 2015 11:18 AM

    At this point the NFL might as well stick to their guns and refuse to accept this extremely lowball offer by Brady and the Pats. The Pats/Brady could have made this all go away and accept a slap on the wrist in January

    ===

    I don’t recall “a slap on the wrist” ever being on the table.

    People who blame the Patriots for the NFL’s decision to escalate are weird. How about blaming the NFL for not understanding the Ideal Gas Law? For doing a terrible job controlling the variables needed to do a proper testing for air pressure? For immediately destroying the most important evidence (when they ordered the officials to re-inflate the 1st half footballs even though they had another set of 12 footballs that they could have and should have used instead)?

    Look, this was a sting. It was always intended to be bigger than Spygate. Goodell’s rep was flagging and he needed to turn the public against a new villain to recover some prestige.

  148. I can’t wait for the first cold weather game. Pump up a ball at room temp to 12.5 psi. Leave it outside over the course of the first half and then measure the psi … A lot of people that live in warm weather states are going to be very surprised at what happens. Cold weather climate people won’t be surprised at all.

  149. diehardgiantsfan says:
    Aug 31, 2015 10:20 PM
    Brady never had a reputation other than a Cheater. He’s a Pat. He’s the benefactor of Belicheat hiring 3 people to cheat 100 ways every Sunday just like the rest of this garbage roster Pats fans call championship caliber. I call it the reason why Belicheat needs to cheat. He can’t draft if his life depended on it. Brady is a 6th round pick that would’ve been cut in 1 season if drafted by the other 31 non-cheating franchises. He’s a fraud. If he was like Rodgers talent then he’d would’ve gone to Kraft to fire the coach to protect his legacy. Kraft I another fraud that can’t replace his coach with a non-cheating coach and win because he’s the worst owner and has the worst QB. It would be easy to prevent cheating from happening with legit owners and players.

    ——————

    LOL! I can see Brady and the Pats have pummeled your team for far too long…. You should have yourself checked for a concussion.

  150. wwwocls says:
    Sep 1, 2015 1:07 AM

    If he’s innocent, why is he wanting to make deals? Think about that, Patriots fans.

    —-

    He said he’s willing to take a 1-game penalty as punishment for not complying with the request to turn over his phone records. He would admit to something he actually did without needing to play along with the NFL’s fantasies about his alleged knowledge of some “scheme” that nobody has any evidence of happening.

  151. I’m sorry, but at this point, anything relating to this case and Deflategate in general that is reported by either the NFL Network or BSPN is 100% suspect until told otherwise by an actual reputable source, rather than an NFL lying mouthpiece.

  152. littlescuppernong, my post spoke to the abuse of power by men who history has forgotten against men who history will never forget.

    Do you really think history will mark in any significant way the lives of Jim Irsay, Woody Johnson, and Roger Goodell? We all know Brady will be immortalized. Heck, even the fools (the NFL and ESPN) that have persecuted him are already using his name and image to promote themselves.

    Read what Dave Meggyesy said about the respect he has for Tom Brady. People may respect Goodell’s power but virtually no one respects the man.

  153. A football at 12.5 psi at 70F ..will be approx. 1 psi less at 50F.

    Net … footballs have been over-inflated and under-flated for DECADES. The NFL has NO RULES for this. If ball is 12.5-13.5 when ref. checks it .. but ball is 16psi in 100F …. it is a LEGAL BALL.

    If you have to lie, leak, misrepresent, defame, wild inconsistency on penalties (on the low side until Brady, changes standard during the actual appeal, …. 99% of the time your case is BS, crapola

  154. You mean the truth? All I want is my team to be convicted fairly. That false report that stood for 6 months that wasnt contradicted can you really say the Pats were convicted fairly? Also this is not a criminal proceeding. Preponderance of the evidence works both ways as this is a civil proceeding

  155. Love when everyone says that you can’t get away from the fact that the NFL fan levy any punishment they see fit so there is no point in fighting it…. Hmmmm how did that work out with the Peterson case and the bounty gate case? Even though Roger has the right to lay down the law how he sees fit, he still has to abide by the proper legal standards set down in arbitration cases. Thus far he has failed miserably in that.

  156. I would much rather see Brady play all season than not. He’s the best qb in our generation and it would be a shame to have him come off the field before he has to.
    But he cheated and failed to cooperate. The integrity of the game depends on his receiving fair punishment. If it doesn’t happen, the NFL becomes ‘pro wrestling”. It won’t be sudden, but many of us will start finding other things to do on Sundays.

  157. paulieorkid says:
    Aug 31, 2015 9:37 PM
    “The question of what Brady would have done is irrelevant, since the NFL’s position prevented negotiations from ever accelerating.”

    Got an agenda you’re (again) driving, Florio? A more balanced way would be to concede the impasse is a product of BOTH sides’ inflexibility on the issue of Brady’s guilt.
    ——————

    the issue of Brady’s guilt? How the he double hockey sticks is that balanced? when you start with “Brady’s guilt” ?????

    Why not an impasse on the NFL’s lies, persecution and prosecution of a man against whom they have not one bit of evidence, only assumptions?

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