James Harrison says old pal Goodell will win fight vs. Brady

AP

James Harrison has never been afraid to speak out against NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, but when Harrison was asked by reporters about DeflateGate and Goodell’s court battle vs. Tom Brady and the Patriots, Harrison said he believes Brady’s four-game suspension will be upheld.

Because the Steelers play the Patriots Sept. 10 in the season opener, the result of the proceedings are of particular interest to Harrison. But the 37-year old linebacker had no personal feelings involved when he shared his viewpoint.

“I don’t see what a federal judge can do with something the players signed in the collective bargaining agreement, which gives Roger Goodell (power) to do what he wants to,” Harrison said. “And if that’s the case and he’s going by the letter of what he says, there’s nothing (a judge) can do.”

Monday, federal judge Richard Berman pledged to rule by Friday on Brady’s challenge of his four-game suspension after talks between Brady’s representatives and the NFL failed to reach a settlement.

Harrison and Goodell have quite a history, both of face to face meetings regarding fines that have totaled $150,000 and of Harrison publicly criticizing Goodell. Harrison called Goodell a “crook” and “devil” in a 2011 magazine interview and last year took to Twitter and needled Goodell for his handling of the Ray Rice domestic violence incident.

“If (Goodell) was on fire and I had to piss to put him out, I wouldn’t do it,” Harrison told Men’s Journal in 2011. “I hate him and will never respect him.”

Harrison tweeted last September, when he considered himself retired, that Steelers players voted against the new CBA in 2011.

109 responses to “James Harrison says old pal Goodell will win fight vs. Brady

  1. Except that the CBA doesn’t let the commissioner ‘do what he wants to do’. It specifically delineates what he is allowed to do based on certain circumstances, he’s not allowed to just make it up as he goes along despite his every effort to do exactly that.

  2. He’s right. The Steelers are the ONLY team to vote against that terrible CBA which, in essence, give GODdell all the power which he is currently mismanaging to hell and back. If any other players or teams are now concerned about this for the first time ever, too bad. You should have followed the Steelers’ lead. Maybe next time you will read the “fine print”!!
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  3. Lifelong Patriots fan, and my biggest fear is exactly what Harrison is saying. I can envision the judge stating that Goodell’s investigation, appeal hearing, and everything else about it was equine manure, but that the players gave him the authority to do whatever he wants. I’m REALLY afraid of this outcome actually.

  4. James that THUD you heard is your A** hitting the ground come Sept 10th,,Your Buddy R.G., violated so many aspects of the CBA, the Judge is going to toss it all. I guess your opinion is based on that LAW DEGREE you have…oh thats right you don’t have one of those DO YOU? (JERK)

  5. I was gonna say, What does Harrison know anyway?, but then I read voted against the new CBA in 2011.

    I think he’s wrong about Goodell winning, but he sure was right in 2011.

  6. If (Goodell) was on fire and I had to piss to put him out, I wouldn’t do it,” Harrison told Men’s Journal in 2011. “I hate him and will never respect him.”

    ^^^ Lmao, come y’all thats gold right there.

  7. I’m impressed! Did not know Harrison was also a legal scholar!!!

    Judge Berman needs to defer to James Harrison’s legal acumen, as the Judge told the NFL’s counsel, “There has to be some basic process of fairness that needs to be followed.”

    Clearly Judge Berman doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Doesn’t he understand what Harrison is saying? “Fair” is what Goodell and the Owners say “fair” is.

    The Pats Haters here have convinced me that the NFLPA gave away all rights to fairness.

    If Goodell wants to put Brady on Death Row and condemn him to death, Judge Berman simply has no choice but to affirm it – because according to the Haters THAT’S what the CBA allows him to do.

    Brady and the NFLPA should just accept this and give up. 😉

  8. elyasm says:
    Sep 1, 2015 1:15 PM
    Except that the CBA doesn’t let the commissioner ‘do what he wants to do’. It specifically delineates what he is allowed to do based on certain circumstances, he’s not allowed to just make it up as he goes along despite his every effort to do exactly that.

    Apparently a lot of people do not understand this.

    They think because of article 46 the he can do whatever he wants

    And that’s just not the case.

  9. James Harrison might be correct in this, sadly. The only hope realistically would be if the judge concludes that Goodell acted in non accordance with the CBA.

    If Brady does get ruled against, my only hope is that the judge just tears apart the Wells report and humiliates Goodell in all of this. He definitely deserves it.

  10. What the CBA doesn’t give up is the right to an honest and fair hearing.

    Nowhere does it say the NFL can release false information as facts to the media.

    Nowhere does it say the NFL can provide false information to a team being investigated while claiming it is the true and correct information.

    Nowhere does the CBA say the NFL can lie to justify penalizing a player or team.

    Nowhere does it say the NFL can it can use one set of readings for the another team, i.e. the Colts, than it did for the Pats and use the one set of data to say there was no problem with the Colts balls that showed 3 out of 4 under 12.5 psi (and we know the Colts start them at 13.5 psi), and the second set of data to say there was a problem with the Pats balls. Ie they have to use the readings from the same gauge for both teams.

    etc etc

  11. I’m not a fan of Goodell either, but at least he isn’t a woman beater. Just be lucky there wasn’t a video of you doing it Harrison. Listening to him talk about respect is ridiculous. SMH

  12. With the Steelers being the only team to vote against the ridiculous terms of the CBA a few years back, one really has to wonder what the other 31 teams were thinking?

  13. patriottony says:
    Sep 1, 2015 1:20 PM

    James that THUD you heard is your A** hitting the ground come Sept 10th,,Your Buddy R.G., violated so many aspects of the CBA…

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    Did you even bother to read the story before deciding to comment? The “buddy” part is sarcastic — it’s no secret that Harrison’s not the biggest Goodell fan. The story even has some of the quotes.

  14. Harrison just speaking the truth. Pats fans can scream and holler all they want , Brady fans can moan and bellyache all day long . But the fact is , Goodell is operating within the system that the players ( including Brady ) voted on. If a judge overturns that , then basically the CBA is pretty much null and void. Bottom line is , both sides ( and yes , that means Tom Brady too ) could have avoided much , if not all of this , if they had handled this differently

  15. The NFL and its cheering section (i.e, the Pat’s defeated rivals and their fans) have completely abandoned defending the justice rationality of this suspension. They are just hanging it all on their right to do whatever they want. Its really a pathetic display.

    The NFL demanded, and got in the CBA, the right to “arbitrate” its own disciplinary decisions. That is an untenable and unfair arrangement on its face, and it seems to me they should expect, as a result, heightened judicial scrutiny on fairness issues. Even if they win on a technicality, the judge has exposed their incompetence and bias for what it is.

  16. I decided to go back and watch the ” League of Denial ” Frontline episode again aftyer hearing about the new movie coming out.

    I came away with the conclusions that this league is run by some very bad people who will lie and deny until there are no more exit ramps left on the road. They will deny science at every turn and if they look for answers they will appoint people who agree with them to go find the answers they want.

    The only reason the NFL settled on the concussion law suit was the were scared to death of anyone in the league having to put their hand on a bible in court.

    This deflated football story although nothing when it compares to the life and death of players is striking when you go back and watch that show again with all the similar attitudes show by the NFL.

  17. Under the NFL’s reading of the CBA (which is a collectively bargained labor contract and thus read under principles of both contracts and labor law), AT&T could not only insert those mandatory arbitration clauses into your cell phone agreements, but they could now make those arbitration agreements ones that they themselves adjudicate, with no minimum procedural requirements. Same with your employer, your landlord, your trash collection company, your car manufacturer, etc. These are after all duly negotiated contracts under AT&T v. Concepcion.

    This is why the NFL’s going to lose. Because if arbitration is going to be a viable alternative to adjudication under courts of law, then there has to be some minimum due process, or there very clearly is a constitutional problem here. Their argument is now at the absurd level of claiming that the CBA allows them to do whatever they want and ignore all pretense of fairness and objectivity. That just isn’t going to fly.

  18. James, you almost made it. All you had to do was keep your mouth shut for a few more hours and you could have come through it not looking like an idiot. Now look at yourself, wrong right on the cusp of the ruling. Dummy.

  19. One thing that just got more traction today: One of the 19 case precedents that the NFLPA submitted to the court was a case that Berman himself ruled on just four months ago.

    In that case, Berman ruled that the arbitrator “can not dispense his own brand of industrial justice.” In other words, despite what the NFLPA signed giving Goodell a lot of power, the NFLPA still had an inherent right for any arbiter to act reasonably.

  20. hooded12 says:
    Sep 1, 2015 1:24 PM

    If Brady does get ruled against, my only hope is that the judge just tears apart the Wells report and humiliates Goodell in all of this.
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    I think it’s important to point out that this is not a appellate court and Judge Berman’s judicial review applies to only four grounds for vacatur of the arbitrator’s decision.

    Below are the four grounds that Berman may find grounds for vacatur of the arbitrator’s decision, according to U.S. Code Title 9 Section 10:

    1.) Where the award was procured by corruption, fraud, or undue means;
    2.) Where there was evident partiality or corruption in the arbitrators, or either of them;
    3.) Where the arbitrators were guilty of misconduct in refusing to postpone the hearing, upon sufficient cause shown, or in refusing to hear evidence pertinent and material to the controversy; or of any other misbehavior by which the rights of any party have been prejudiced; or
    4.) Where the arbitrators exceeded their powers, or so imperfectly executed them that a mutual, final, and definite award upon the subject matter submitted was not made.
    This is not an appellate court that’s reviewing the whole process. That would be a de novo, that means a do-over, and a do-over is not permitted in this case under American law.

    That is all Judge Berman can rule on. Period.

    Which makes James Harrison correct in his assumption of what Berman will rule in this matter.

    The ruling will not be in Brady’s favor.

  21. hilmsay says:
    Sep 1, 2015 1:13 PM
    Applying all his legal knowledge James Harrison concludes that the NFL will win its case v Brady, which he based on absolutely nothing.

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    LOL

    He did base it on something: the fact that the based on the CBA, Goodell is judge, jury, executioner and appeal judge.

    That’s actually what the current court case revolves around, not whether Brady actually did it or not.

  22. Remember when ESPN, NFL Network, and essentially everyone was passing around footballs differing in pressure by 2 psi and asking them if they could tell the difference?

    They should have been passing around footballs differing in pressure by 0.2 psi and asking them if they could tell the difference. Hint: nobody can. That’s like squeezing a football in a 75 degree room, moving to a 70 degree room, and asking if they can feel a difference by squeezing it now.

    Yet the NFL is going to all this trouble to assert that Tom Brady wanted 0.2 psi removed from the footballs.

    Think about that a little, and you will realize how insane it is. They are claiming a scheme that would give a result that provides no benefit and that nobody would even be able to tell existed.

  23. BINGO!!!

    “I don’t see what a federal judge can do with something the players signed in the collective bargaining agreement, which gives Roger Goodell (power) to do what he wants to,” Harrison said. “And if that’s the case and he’s going by the letter of what he says, there’s nothing (a judge) can do.”

  24. I can’t believe this guy gave up a professorship at Yale Law to go back to the Steelers. Wait… that didn’t happen?

  25. “1.) Where the award was procured by corruption, fraud, or undue means;
    2.) Where there was evident partiality or corruption in the arbitrators, or either of them;
    3.) Where the arbitrators were guilty of misconduct in refusing to postpone the hearing, upon sufficient cause shown, or in refusing to hear evidence pertinent and material to the controversy; or of any other misbehavior by which the rights of any party have been prejudiced; or
    4.) Where the arbitrators exceeded their powers, or so imperfectly executed them that a mutual, final, and definite award upon the subject matter submitted was not made.
    This is not an appellate court that’s reviewing the whole process. That would be a de novo, that means a do-over, and a do-over is not permitted in this case under American law.

    That is all Judge Berman can rule on. Period.

    The ruling will not be in Brady’s favor.”

    Really because the nfl committed fraud and corruption repeatedly in the process so that qualifies under #1.

    The arbitrator committed misconduct by tossing out the information on the Colts from the same gauge used to judge the Pats balls that showed 3 of the 4 Colts balls were also under 12.5 psi, which taken n concert with the known fact that the Colts inflate their balls to 13.5 psi shows a significant drop in pressure to all balls used in the game. You cannot claim to be fair and impartial when you use what is considered damning evidence from that same gauge against the Pats and then ignore it as if it doesn’t exist for the Colts. By their own measurements you can extrapolate that 9 of the 12 Colts balls must have been under 12.5 psi. Why aren’t they being investigated and penalized too ?

    Virtually every one of those points you say Berman can rule on the nfl violated. I don’t see how he could possibly rule in the nfl’s favor. We’ll all see soon I guess.

  26. Me thinks Harrison (and Goodell) are in for a rude awakening when the Judge issues his ruling. This whole fiasco has been mismanaged from Day One…it’s an utter embarrassment to the NFL…and I think it will signal the final days of Roger Goodell as commissioner once this is all said and done. He has proven over and over again over various NFL scandals in the past year that he is utterly incompetent and handling and/or containing these sort of things. In fact, his handling of them have actually directly contributed to making them far worse than they needed to be.

    My prediction is that the judge throws the whole thing out, and that soon after the NFL team owners demand Roger Goodell resign.

  27. I’d like to thank all the people employed by the NFL for commenting here. It makes for great fantasy stories.

  28. Yeap. Brady is innocent, but a CBA is a CBA. Brady won’t win to reverse the suspension. But he is going to win a 200M+ defamation suit against the NFL, Goodell, Ted Wells, with relative ease.

  29. guadalahonky says:

    Below are the four grounds that Berman may find grounds for vacatur of the arbitrator’s decision, according to U.S. Code Title 9 Section 10:

    1.) Where the award was procured by corruption, fraud, or undue means;
    2.) Where there was evident partiality or corruption in the arbitrators, or either of them;
    3.) Where the arbitrators were guilty of misconduct in refusing to postpone the hearing, upon sufficient cause shown, or in refusing to hear evidence pertinent and material to the controversy; or of any other misbehavior by which the rights of any party have been prejudiced; or
    4.) Where the arbitrators exceeded their powers, or so imperfectly executed them that a mutual, final, and definite award upon the subject matter submitted was not made.
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    Boss Goodell violated all 4 of those, so how do you figure that the judge will rule in favor of the NFL?

  30. If it’s really true that Berman’s hands are tied, then there would be no reason for him to hear the case. Since he heard the case, let’s assume he can do something.

  31. mmack66 says:
    Sep 1, 2015 2:16 PM

    Boss Goodell violated all 4 of those, so how do you figure that the judge will rule in favor of the NFL?

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    Well, at least you are aware of the 4 grounds of vacatur now.

    However, that is for Judge Berman to decide, not you.

    I will tell you this, both James Harrison and I are in agreement what the Judge Berman will rule.

  32. Reading the comments I wonder why Pat fans think 1 SB win in 10 years makes the Pats dominant.? The last 10 year regular season champions I guess, lol! Pats had the most memorable Choke job in sports history some years ago & would of choked another SB if not for Seahawks coach. Hahaha Pats fans are a bigger Joke the Roger Goodell..

  33. Has anyone here actually read the CBA to see what it says? Here are some interesting sentences in it.
    Page 181 – “Conduct detrimental to Club—maximum fine of an amount equal to one week’s salary and/or suspension without pay for a period not to exceed four (4) weeks. This maximum applies without limitation to any deactivation of a player in response to player conduct (other than a deactivation in response to a player’s on-field playing abili-ty), and any such deactivation, even with pay, shall be considered discipline subject to the limits set forth in this section.”

    This is where the commissioner is probably getting the four week penality from – it is clearly stated in the CBA as the maximum fine.

    Page 204 – ARTICLE 46 COMMISSIONER DISCIPLINE

    Page 205 – Decision. As soon as practicable following the conclusion of the hear-ing, the hearing officer will render a written decision which will constitute full, final and complete disposition of the dispute and will be binding upon the player(s), Club(s) and the parties to this Agreement with respect to that dispute. Any discipline imposed pur-suant to Section 1(b) may only be affirmed, reduced, or vacated by the hearing officer, and may not be increased.

    The Commissoner has rights to do what he wants after the hearing, and after the report was issued, he did exactly that. Whether it is fair or not is not part of the above decision paragraph – but it is BINDING.

    Page 205 – Scheduling. Appeal hearings under Section 1(a) will be scheduled to commence within ten (10) days following receipt of the notice of appeal, except that hearings on suspensions issued during the playing season (defined for this Section as the first preseason game through the Super Bowl) will be scheduled for the second Tuesday following the receipt of the notice of appeal, with the intent that the appeal shall be heard no fewer than eight (8) days and no more than thirteen (13) days following the suspension, absent mutual agreement of the parties or a finding by the hearing officer of extenuating circumstances.

    The NFL followed its rules that the players agreed to. There is nothing in there that states that the NFL did anything improper. That decision paragraph is pretty big problem for the judge to overrule. Anything is possible with a judge, but I wonder what happens to the strength of that decision paragraph if he throws it out? Does it mean that all players can throw out his decisions if they disagree? I would think it would weaken the NFL’s position in this document drastically.

  34. The NFLPA has to argue that Goodell’s liberal application of Article 46 usurps already agreed upon standards for discipline and thus violated the policy of both judicial standards and appellate level decisions.

    In other words, he could call anything an ‘integrity of the game’ violation and punish as he sees fit. It literally puts all punishment in an arbitrary (and capricious, to borrow a legal term) relm.

  35. pastabelly says:
    Sep 1, 2015 2:22 PM

    If it’s really true that Berman’s hands are tied, then there would be no reason for him to hear the case. Since he heard the case, let’s assume he can do something.
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    He can either find for the NFL, find for Brady, or send it back to a truly impartial arbitrator.

  36. Since the Steelers are the only team to vote against the CBA, the NFL should give all the Super Bowl titles that the Pats won by cheating to the Steelers.

  37. Whining does nothing. Lets just all except the fact football will never be as hardcore in the past. But its still football…and it starts next thursday. Be excited we have it at all.

  38. acurat says:
    Sep 1, 2015 2:52 PM

    The NFL followed its rules that the players agreed to. There is nothing in there that states that the NFL did anything improper. That decision paragraph is pretty big problem for the judge to overrule. Anything is possible with a judge, but I wonder what happens to the strength of that decision paragraph if he throws it out? Does it mean that all players can throw out his decisions if they disagree? I would think it would weaken the NFL’s position in this document drastically.
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    The appeal is clearly not binding, since they ended up in court.

    At the appeal hearing, the NFL did not let Kessler have access to the Wells Report notes, nor did they let him question Pash, both of which violated Brady’s right to a fair procedure.

    In reality, most of the suspensions and fines are meted out for demonstrable offenses, so a player doesn’t go to court.

    But when you manufacture a controversy, and suspend a player based on zero evidence, that decision is likely going to end up in court.

  39. udontknowjaq says:
    Sep 1, 2015 2:44 PM
    Reading the comments I wonder why Pat fans think 1 SB win in 10 years makes the Pats dominant.? The last 10 year regular season champions I guess, lol! Pats had the most memorable Choke job in sports history some years ago & would of choked another SB if not for Seahawks coach. Hahaha Pats fans are a bigger Joke the Roger Goodell..

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    Who was more dominant? If you only count Super Bowls then Pittsburg has 2 wins but looking at the big picture they are clearly not a dominant team. Giant won 2, by the skin of their teeth, but they have a sketchy record as well. So going down to the next layer, Super Bowl appearances, the Pats have been there 3 times since 2005 winning one. They have been in 6 division rounds and the next best is Baltimore with 3. They have the best winning record of 74% followed by Indy & Pittsburg with 67 & 66% Based on records, they are the dominant team from 2005-2015. But thanks for playing.

  40. The NFL was so certain of their position regarding the CBA they ran to court as fast as they could to get their choice of judge. Doesn’t sound like a lock to me.

  41. Pats* fans attacking Harrison personally instead of disputing what he is saying is hilarious.
    Not that they can.
    BTW The judge you think has ruled in favor of the players over the NFL is sitting in Minnesota, not NY City.
    Cheater sits for Four!

  42. No one knows for sure how he will rule.Brady’s rep is already screwed in the court of public opinion.And this will not end for the foreseeable future no matter how he rules.

  43. bucs4redskinsname says:
    Sep 1, 2015 1:49 PM

    The CBA expires in 2020… and it’s going to be a very long strike.
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    I’d like to agree with you, but this last holdout/lockout/strike or whatever was cut short because a vast majority of players ran out of money. If they want a different system now, what are they willing to give up?? They finally got 50% of income going to them, are they willing to give up some of that?? I doubt it.
    I think if the players want to quit hearing Roger Goodell’s name all the time, they need to quit getting into trouble.

  44. Its a shame all the patriots fans won’t be commenting for the first time in months once the suspension is upheld. That would be very entertaining, but we all know they will retreat back into the darkness.

  45. James Harrison is not as stupid as he looks. It must be the Steeler uniform.

    It is literally impossible for the Judge to rule in favor of Brady. If he ruled against the NFL, he would also have to rule on how to change the CBA at the same time, otherwise every NFL discipline would wind up in court for appeal.

    Patriot fans are just accustomed to thinking there are different rules that apply to their team – thats all.

  46. Brady will lose..

    My prediction since before the Super Bowl…

    Brady will accept 4 games suspension, but will not accept cheating. Shady will claim..
    1.he took the fight to wire because he was innocent.
    2.this is all because of animosity over their winning record.
    3.he can see now that it is distracting to the Patriots because the process is dragging out.

    This is all worked out in advance like the WWE. Shady gets to play in Super Bowl despite cheating, but at least he can save face with the Patriot fans that will ignore the cheating truth.

  47. “If (Goodell) was on fire and I had to piss to put him out, I wouldn’t do it,” Harrison told Men’s Journal in 2011. “I hate him and will never respect him.”

    I couldn’t have said it better myself James.

  48. Has any other NFL commissioner been this disliked by everybody….except the owners?(not including Kraft who may not be having Baddell over for dinner and drinks any time soon)

  49. mtb2253 says:

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    Who was more dominant? If you only count Super Bowls then Pittsburg has 2 wins but looking at the big picture they are clearly not a dominant team. Giant won 2, by the skin of their teeth, but they have a sketchy record as well. So going down to the next layer, Super Bowl appearances, the Pats have been there 3 times since 2005 winning one. They have been in 6 division rounds and the next best is Baltimore with 3. They have the best winning record of 74% followed by Indy & Pittsburg with 67 & 66% Based on records, they are the dominant team from 2005-2015. But thanks for playing.
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    I say Thank You for proving me right in how the Pats are regular season champions. The nerve to say the Giants won 2 Sb’s by the skin of their teeth also. lol.. So soon how Pats fans forget. The Steelers have no losing seasons from 05-14 also & won 2 out of 3 Superbowls.. Dominant is the Pittsburgh Steelers, only 9 losing seasons in 44 years. Most playoff wins & the most Sb wins #6. But it’s cute what the Pats have accomplished in 10 years though..

  50. jim0tt0 says:
    Sep 1, 2015 3:11 PM
    Since the Steelers are the only team to vote against the CBA, the NFL should give all the Super Bowl titles that the Pats won by cheating to the Steelers.
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    I think you meant that the NFL should give Dallas the trophy that was handed to Pittsburg for the no interference call. Oh yeah, I remember that. Oh, you thought the Steelers in the 80’s were a clean team? Now THAT’s funny stuff.

  51. I believe that Berman wants to do what is fair, and knows that the NFL’s “investigation” was a sham. Berman has already pointed out at least one point that he can rule in favor of Brady (the NFL did not let Brady call a witness), and I suspect that he will use that, and any other point of law to put the NFL in its place.

  52. This is beautiful…

    When other players thought Brady was being punished too harshly all of his groupies poured onto the thread to proclaim it as “proof” of his innocence – despite the actual quotes saying nothing of the sort.

    Now when one thinks he’ll be punished it’s “who cares what he thinks”.

    LOL

    #he’sguilty
    #weallknowit
    #shouldhavebeenayear
    #shouldhaveincludedBelichick

  53. swagger52 says:
    Sep 1, 2015 3:51 PM
    James Harrison is not as stupid as he looks. It must be the Steeler uniform.

    It is literally impossible for the Judge to rule in favor of Brady. If he ruled against the NFL, he would also have to rule on how to change the CBA at the same time, otherwise every NFL discipline would wind up in court for appeal……………
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    So what are you going to say when he does rule in favor of Brady?
    Every NFL discipline won’t end up in court especially after a new commissioner is appointed. The new commissioner will abide by both the letter and the spirit of the CBA, something Goodell has failed to do on both points.

  54. Re: Concussions

    It’s not a coincidence Goodell and the owners have Exponent on retainer

    Even though the PSI came back showing that no deflation occurred when taking Physics into account, Exponent (along with Wells/Pash “assuming” that the officials memory was perfect for remembering 24 PSI readings but awful for remembering which guage he used) was able to twist that into whatever the NFL wanted it to say

    This is the same firm that found second hand cigarette smoke is not harmful

    And it’s the same firm you can be sure will say concussions aren’t bad after the movie comes out

    THIS is the status of the “integrity” of the NFL Owners

    We really have to thank them for illustrating JUST how CORRUPT they all are in the Brady manner – now no one should be fooled in the future

  55. oh, so here it is: logic, that’s logic Patriots fans l-o-g-i-c. It doesn’t go in your favor so here you are coming across as whiners. Perhaps next time Brady shouldn’t cheat.

  56. Just hoping we can start 2-2 at this point. Really struggled on both sides of the ball against a 5-6 win team last weekend. Got allot of work to do.

  57. .. Dominant is the Pittsburgh Steelers, only 9 losing seasons in 44 years. Most playoff wins & the most Sb wins #6. But it’s cute what the Pats have accomplished in 10 years though..

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    Patriots Playoff Record (all-time) : 28-18
    Steelers Playoff Record (all-time) : 33-22
    1960-1984 appearances patriots 5
    1960-1984 appearances Steelers 11

    So in the last 30 years the Patriots have been in the playoffs more often all I’m saying is the Steel Curtain was a loooong time ago

  58. swagger52 says:
    Sep 1, 2015 3:51 PM

    Patriot fans are just accustomed to thinking there are different rules that apply to their team – thats all.
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    This guy gets it. Patriot fans didn’t care when Goodell did it to Harrison. They didn’t care when he did it to Rice. They only care now because he’s doing it to “untouchable” Tom Brady.

  59. This is all worked out in advance like the WWE. Shady gets to play in Super Bowl despite cheating, but at least he can save face with the Patriot fans that will ignore the cheating truth.

    I find this quite hypocritical considering your user name is in honor of a felon involved in obstructing justice. You have no shame and your comments are very very lame. You hate the Pats so you bend the truth to accommodate your hate….that’s so Baltimore.

  60. udontknowjaq says:
    Sep 1, 2015 4:06 PM
    mtb2253 says:

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    Who was more dominant? If you only count Super Bowls then Pittsburg has 2 wins but looking at the big picture they are clearly not a dominant team. Giant won 2, by the skin of their teeth, but they have a sketchy record as well. So going down to the next layer, Super Bowl appearances, the Pats have been there 3 times since 2005 winning one. They have been in 6 division rounds and the next best is Baltimore with 3. They have the best winning record of 74% followed by Indy & Pittsburg with 67 & 66% Based on records, they are the dominant team from 2005-2015. But thanks for playing.
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    I say Thank You for proving me right in how the Pats are regular season champions. The nerve to say the Giants won 2 Sb’s by the skin of their teeth also. lol.. So soon how Pats fans forget. The Steelers have no losing seasons from 05-14 also & won 2 out of 3 Superbowls.. Dominant is the Pittsburgh Steelers, only 9 losing seasons in 44 years. Most playoff wins & the most Sb wins #6. But it’s cute what the Pats have accomplished in 10 years though..

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    Both the Steelers and the Giants have become a joke. Neither have won a single playoff game in years. Expect that to continue through the 2015 season.

  61. ampatsisahypocrite says:
    Sep 1, 2015 4:42 PM

    swagger52 says:
    Sep 1, 2015 3:51 PM

    Patriot fans are just accustomed to thinking there are different rules that apply to their team – thats all.
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    This guy gets it.
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    That bozo doesn’t get anything. Sounds like you don’t either.

    That’s about all you’re going to get from a couple of Jets fans, though.

  62. Geez. Before the whole fiasco I knew Brady had a ton of haters, but this is ridiculous. Not even considering what James said although he has a point. But the people on this blog and many others would probably like to see Brady die, and that’s just sad dude. Focus on YOUR team and YOUR happiness. Stop wishing such bad things on other men. You guys sound like a bunch scorned women. Whether you believe it or not don’t allow your raw hate for someone cloud your better judgement. Anyone that can rand wants to read the FACTS knows that the NFL has omitted evidence to deceive the media and the masses. Both NFL supporters and Pats supporters need to chill out. So emotional. Let’s take our game back

  63. The NFLPA argued three points of process that they claim were carried out incorrectly. Not facts about the case.

    But the facts seemed to bewilder the judge anyway.

  64. I think everyone is actually missing the point. This will play out a lot quicker if Brady loses and let me explain why. If GOODELL (nfl) wins, Brady will then appeal and get an injunction to play while the focus is no longer on the CBA protocol, but on EVERY SINGLE FACT that exonerates, not only Brady, but the Patriots as well. Berman and Coty out of Minnesota have both said that the NFL crossed the line and there is nothing against Brady or the Patriots that implicates guilt other than hearsay and media leaks based on false reports initiated by the NFL. Goodell will get fired and DEFAMATION suits will then take place and it will cost the league GAZILLIONS.

    If Brady wins then the NFL appeals the ruling on the CBA. If the NFL wins that appeal THEN Brady appeals based on the accusations and punishments and ends up winning in the long run anyway, but the whole thing drags on for another year and a half.

  65. Geez. Before the whole fiasco I knew Brady had a ton of haters, but this is ridiculous. Not even considering what James said although he has a point. But the people on this blog and many others would probably like to see Brady die, and that’s just sad dude. Focus on YOUR team and YOUR happiness. Stop wishing such bad things on other men. You guys sound like a bunch scorned women. Whether you believe it or not don’t allow your raw hate for someone cloud your better judgement. Anyone that can rand wants to read the FACTS knows that the NFL has omitted evidence to deceive the media and the masses. Both NFL supporters and Pats supporters need to chill out. So emotional. Let’s take our game back
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    Above is another example of an Emotional Patriots’ fan having a problem coming to the realization that his hero, Mr. Brady Cheated to obtain an unfair advantage.

    Sir, you can try and twist this any way you’d like, but in the end, the rest of us simply want to watch football knowing that the players aren’t Cheating.

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    Both the Steelers and the Giants have become a joke. Neither have won a single playoff game in years. Expect that to continue through the 2015 season.

    Coming from a team that is known to cheat your comment has hi rite written all over it. Don’t let hate cloud you reality like you tell all the Pats haters…..right? The joke is the many Pats fans thinking they aren’t the laughing stock of the country and the butt of many jokes….that’s rich.

  67. The Patriots, and not your team, are Super Bowl champions. They have essentially wiped their feet on you for years.

    Them’s the facts. You can speculate anything you like or wish, and it doesn’t mean anything at all. The facts are the facts.

  68. James Harrison Hates the Pats.
    Will always side against them.
    That is truly hate of your opponent.

    I am also a Bruins fan.
    I hate Montreal to the point where I would not urinate on the fuse burning on an explosive on their team bus. Never would, never will.
    I hate them.

    I would love to see them get screwed for something they were proven to have done.
    I would not want to see them screwed for past things just because we almost got them this time…

  69. NFL will lose and lose Big. First the justification is there out the wazoo. Second these delays and such indicates he is going to Rule for Brady!!! so he wants to make sure his basis is clear, legal and such. And unassailable. There is a huge amount riding on this, this is biggest case of his life, the NFL lawyers are going to look like feces, he wants to put a stop to NFL madness now. So he’s being careful, very careful. Hence the delay

    If he was going to rule for NFL … it’s a no brainer. CBA grants its, you agreed to it …. have a nice day. This route does not require nearly as much packaging.

    BRADY WINS. What’s more important is the Little Guy, the Individual wins and they are not subject to the whims of the powerful.

  70. Well James, you were wrong again.

    Maybe you should get some legal knowledge before putting your foot in your mouth.

    Or do the world a favour, and just shut up.

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