De Smith: We never trust the NFL, Kraft shouldn’t have either

AP

NFL Players Association Executive Director DeMaurice Smith says Commissioner Roger Goodell has eroded trust not just with the players, but with owners as well.

As he celebrated the decisive victory given to Tom Brady and the NFLPA in today’s Deflategate ruling, Smith told CSN Mid Atlantic that Patriots owner Robert Kraft has learned what the players already knew: Goodell is not to be trusted.

We never make the mistake of trusting the league,” Smith said. “I don’t have the luxury of trusting the league. I think looking back on the statements of Mr. Kraft and the position of the Patriots, do I think they wish they had a do over? I think they probably wish they had a do over.”

Asked about the players’ trust in the league and Goodell, Smith answered, “It’s gone.”

The legacy of Deflategate may be that it tarnishes Goodell’s reputation far more than it tarnishes Brady’s.

107 responses to “De Smith: We never trust the NFL, Kraft shouldn’t have either

  1. Nice try Smith. The judge never said the Patriots didn’t cheat. The two equipment guys are the key to this. Patroits are still guilty just Brady gets a free pass because of a stupid judge.

  2. May be ? Goodell is an utter and total failure to something like 95% of the fans. He is loathed and hated almost universally.

    What deflategate has done is not only shown the pathetic inability and incompetence of the league to get anything right, it has also highlighted the shams that bountygate, bullygate and the others have been.

    I do owe an apology and told ya so to Saints and Fins fans. You were right.

  3. Yes keep this narrative going so eventually you have the Cro Magnon segment of the population all in and fired up. Just like the situation with law enforcement. What’s this world coming to when there is no sense of self-responsibility and everything is someone or something else’s fault?

  4. I’m only posting this to see if I can be the first person posting on a post site regarding the deflategate situation. America is truly the land of opportunity.

    ONE WEEK EVERYBODY – THEY ACTUALLY KICK THE FOOTBALL OFF IN A WEEK!!!!!!

  5. De Smith you are on the NFL payroll so you kidding…..NFLPA is a mess, what other sports league has to go to court to control the commissioner….none, because they hash this out when negotiating the CBA…the other leagues don’t just give the league everything it wants for a few extra dollars…

  6. Brady’s legacy was never tarnished for those of us that can read and process information. This was a farce from day one. Where else in America can a boss frame an employ, publish false information, a smear his name and still have a job? Just goes to show what a joke the NFL has turned in to. It’s slowly becoming the WWE. Sad

  7. Goodell’s rep is already far below Brady’s. That’s why it’s easier for Brady to continue getting away with cheating than it is for Goodell to finally bust him on it.

    Here’s hoping the Steelers do a lot of busting him for the NFL…

  8. congrats on “winning” on a technicality, chowds. here’s the problem going forward… we all read the texts and so did you! even YOU know what he did, regardless of how stupid goodell is. the legacy is tarnished, and the dynasty never existed. your run won’t even be mentioned in the same sentence as SF, Pittsburgh and Dallas. tainted through and through. period.

  9. And if De Smith was hired by the NFL, he’d have said the exact same line about Tom Brady.

  10. In Kraft’s defense he had @ 250+ million reasons a year that force him to ‘trust’ the No Facts League. How on Earth could he have guessed the fools at 345 Park Ave would publicly de-pant themselves

  11. The owners ARE the NFL.

    Or it is really that Kraft can’t trust the other owners? I mean, the only reason I can imagine that Goddell took the route he did from day one till today with Brady is because the other owners wanted him to.

  12. Honest question, the balls lost pressure during the first half of the AFCCG, but didn’t during the second half, that is a fact. I can agree with your ideal gas law, but shouldn’t Brady had noticed this? I mean he is the QB and every other QB said that there is a difference (one of them even admitting paying the ball boy to deflate balls), so why not Brady?

  13. OJ was found not guilty too.

    Just because Brady’s suspension was overturned doesn’t mean he wasn’t involved in deflating footballs.

  14. The NFL just issued a 50K fine against De Smith for making comments blasphemous to the supreme authority over the shield.

  15. Really Mr. Deez Nutz Smith? Why is a response condemning the whole NFL necessary? It does not bring improvements it brings division.

    Patriots have cheated before, as have other teams and players. If the NFL violated a procedural item, that does not mean Brady wasn’t complicit in the deflation process.

    I hope you are happy Mr. Smith at the quality of players you represent. Murders, rapist, child abusers, drug users and drug dealers are a whose who of the NFL players. Good job, good job Mr. Smith.

  16. Lock the players out and sign a bunch of scabs. People will still watch the games, as has been proven in the past.

    Unions are the ruination of everything they touch. Everything.

  17. Maybe you can’t trust the NFL, but I don’t trust unions either. Their whole purpose is to get someone off or their penalty reduced for doing something wrong like driving drunk, drugs, or beating women!

  18. zachari14 says:
    Sep 3, 2015 3:42 PM
    congrats on “winning” on a technicality, chowds. here’s the problem going forward… we all read the texts and so did you! even YOU know what he did, regardless of how stupid goodell is. the legacy is tarnished, and the dynasty never existed. your run won’t even be mentioned in the same sentence as SF, Pittsburgh and Dallas. tainted through and through. period.

    ——————————

    This is simply the truth that “some people” don’t want to hear.

  19. It is puzzling to me why the courts get involved in something like this.

    The Patriots, and especially, Brady don’t care about the integrity of the game. There is a laundry list of things that have come out on this organization over the years.

    Pathetic!

  20. Tom Brady made the greatest court of public opinion comeback in history in Deflategate. Even the 1992 Houston Oilers are looking at Roger Goodell and going “Damn, how did you let that happen?”

  21. I thought nothing would taste better than Beer, but I was wrong. Jealous tears taste WAY better. I think I’ll go rewatch Malcolm Butler intercept Russell Wilson again. That was awesome.

  22. There are many ways for Goodell to stay completely out of Foxboro. For example, if a defensive end commits
    a late hit on Brady, Goodell should stay away. Don’t levy any fines or discipline, just refer them to Judge Berman. Apparently he handles NFL discipline now. Goodell, don’t ever involve yourself with Foxboro again–if any player does something wrong against any Patriots players, just tell them you’ve been asked to stay away by the fans, by the Union, and by the judicial system. It’s there baby now.

  23. Hard to believe the Pats are as clean as the driven, virgin snow. Tell me again, why did they give up a million bucks, a first and a fourth without any protest whatsoever???

  24. Kingmj4891 says:Sep 3, 2015 3:38 PM

    Nice try Smith. The judge never said the Patriots didn’t cheat. The two equipment guys are the key to this. Patroits are still guilty just Brady gets a free pass because of a stupid judge.
    ——————————————————-
    US Law the accussed is innocent until proven guilty. That’s a fact, undisputed. The Judge threw out the case. Fact 2. Brady was never proven guilty. So what is he? Innocent..

  25. To all the haters who claim the judge never said the Patriots didn’t cheat, this was about process….



    three weeks ago he grilled the NFL in court. And I paraphrase, ‘where’s the evidence that Tom Brady cheated in the January 18th game. Because I don’t see it.’

  26. Goodell’s conduct in this matter borders on criminality. While the common narrative is that his rigid adherence to a 4 game suspension was the result of his arrogance, I think some consideration should be made that the suspension would have led to a major handicapping of the Patriots to repeat their divisional title. 4 Games was the precise number of games by which the Patriots prevailed in 2014. It’s bad enough that the league has allowed Blandino to party with the Jones Boys and officiating often is game determinative, but for Goodell to effect the outcome of 4 games directly via suspension is suspect. Look at how the odds changed today as a result of Brady’s availability to play those first 4 games.

  27. It won’t tarnish Brady’s at all, because anyone with a brain knows that he is innocent.

    Even when the NFL stacked the deck against him, said that the ref remembered incorrectly about which gauge he used, they were left with 0.2 psi of deflation, not 2 psi. And this is with gauges that cannot even accurately measure, reproducably, to 0.2 psi precision.

    He did not ask ball boys to take 0.2 psi out of a few footballs. It makes no sense to do that. That’s the same pressure drop you get from a 5 degree drop in temperature. The idea that cheating happened is INSANE.

  28. Smith ought not confuse a favorable judicial ruling with confirmation he’s good at his job, he’s not, he’s awful at his job.

  29. Court of public opinion finds Tom Brady and the Patriots guilty of cheating today, tomorrow and forever.

  30. The NFL is going to fade after this. If you have rules for fair play they must be enforced, if not it will
    be free for all and everyone will lie, cheat and steal to win the game. I know it just a game but the amount of money that is played on every game and the creditable of the league it must enforce the rules if not how do we know if the game it above board and played honestly. UNION you did not win
    all you did was damage the honesty of the game.

  31. He’s not wrong. And to be clear, I’m a conservative that views unions as little more than well fed socialists. But then again, I’ve never thought of this as league v. union so much as Goodell v. middle school chemistry.

  32. tajuara says:
    Sep 3, 2015 3:47 PM
    Honest question, the balls lost pressure during the first half of the AFCCG, but didn’t during the second half, that is a fact. I can agree with your ideal gas law, but shouldn’t Brady had noticed this? I mean he is the QB and every other QB said that there is a difference (one of them even admitting paying the ball boy to deflate balls), so why not Brady?

    —————

    1. They didn’t test them again after the game. If they had this mess may have been avoided, since the results would have been the same as at halftime (though since they were all ignorant of the ideal gas law, if they waited too long to test, they may have gone back to original PSI, or even become “over” inflated.)

    2. Brady is used to playing in the cold, so I’m sure the footballs felt no different than usual. (Or maybe they did subtly feel better, since the 2nd half is when he shredded the Colts.)

    Oh and btw the judge did seriously question the guilt of Brady in open court, but that was more of a side show while Berman made fun of the NFL for their incompetence. He also said “alleged” ball deflation in today’s statement, so he’s definitely not convinced of his guilt. But, since that part was not what he was allowed to rule on, that’s not what overturned the ruling.

    What he did find is that the entire process the NFL used was cripplingly flawed and shockingly unfair. NFL’s only answer in the appeal is, “The CBA doesn’t require us to be fair!”

    Good luck with that.

  33. The Haters never bothered to read the Wells Report or accept the real facts in this case.

    The Wells Reports says given the conditions, the Patriots footballs should have been in the range of 11.32 -11.52 psi at halftime. On the logo gauge (that’s the one Walt Anderson recalls using) the average psi was well within that range – in fact on the high end.

    So all those still shouting “Brady Cheated” should really give it up at this point.

    #HatersKeepHating
    #WinnersKeepWinning

  34. Let’s not forget, Roger Goodell didn’t cheat at his job. Goodell is the guy trying to deal with the guy that cheated at his job.

    Goodell probably didn’t anticipate that the Patriots had a cheating QB with no integrity.

    Next time, he won’t make that mistake.

  35. wow… trolls are pissed off… boy … a federal judge just slapped down your commissioner… Brady walked.

    … and you are all still calling him a cheater.

    There is no proof … the league spent millions trying to make your dreams come true… get a life… its over… lets get the football part and put this behind us.

  36. For all the unfounded idiots whom will fall back on the whole equipment guys crutch… think about this. Ted Wells first interview with them was unsupervised. It was Ted Wells high priced attorney vs an equipment guy. If Wells couldn’t get them to confess, which has never happened at that time, he is a poor excuse for a attorney. Next, the NFL never called them back to testify. If they were so crucial to the case why no sworn testimony. Lastly I find it funny the only one to testify under oath was Brady. Goddell and the bunch of merry idiots in the NFL office would not put themselves under the gun of self incrimination. Tells you all you need to know about who is telling the truth.

  37. I have an idea. It’s a great one. You know how Robert Kraft was playing a pivotal role in the 2011 CBA negotiations to resume when they were at an impasse and The ratification? Well, he should actually approached the NFLPA publicly try to negotiate Roger Goodell’s power to go away.

    Friendships in the NFL are overrated. They are boring and that ultimately lead to divorce anyways. Besides, enmity creates rivalry and we find that entertaining. Let the Goodell/Kraft breakup happen! That way we have the new Al Davis versus Pete Rozelle fight and watch Goodell loses power, which will be even more entertaining!

  38. I don’t think the Pats were completely innocent in this, which is why the franchise didn’t fight the penalty that hard. But after listening to all the evidence, I do think Brady was innocent however, and I think it is obvious exactly how it happened.

    Brady chewed Jastremski’s ass off after he got some overinflated balls in New York in 2014. Then told hime “Fill the balls to 12.5psi, and take this print out of the league rules to the officials so they know our balls are legal”.

    But Jastremski took it a step farther. Because he didn’t want to get his ass chewed again, he told McNally “if the refs add any air to any of these balls, take it out.”

    And I think that is why most of the balls didn’t seem deflated at all. Reports were that Walt Anderson added air to three balls. Maybe McNally deflated those three a little.

    But I don’t think there is any chance that Tom Brady said to John Jastremski “Deflate my footballs below 12.5”. It’s just stupid.

  39. Man ,how many times do you have to get hit in the face with a hammer before you say uncle ?
    The judge over ruled the NFL on procedural grounds .Had Berman made a finding as to guilt or innocence than he would have given the NFL what they needed for a win on appeal .Berman’s air quotes around the Well’s report is a shot at the whole investigation .Face it the anger towards the Pats and Brady are based on pure jealousy .I know as a Red Sox fan what is means to be on the losing side of a rivalry .As someone old enough to have seen Bill Russell and Wilt go at I also know what it means to be on the winning side .Sour grapes from fans of losing teams is bad enough but to see ex players spout off is just embarrassing .NO they didn’t cheat, No the better team did not lose and yes Brady is that good.

  40. 1. They didn’t test them again after the game. If they had this mess may have been avoided, since the results would have been the same as at halftime (though since they were all ignorant of the ideal gas law, if they waited too long to test, they may have gone back to original PSI, or even become “over” inflated.)

    2. Brady is used to playing in the cold, so I’m sure the footballs felt no different than usual. (Or maybe they did subtly feel better, since the 2nd half is when he shredded the Colts.)
    ———————————————————-

    Wrong, they did test the balls (page 73 of the Wells report), and none of the 4 Pats tested balls lost pressure. The low reading after the second half was 12.95 contrary to the low 10.5 during half-time. Also that day was not particulary cold to justify the lost in pressure. Funny that the ideal gas law only applied to the first half of a game, what happen? Global warming during the second half?

  41. The measurements of the balls after the game are irrelevant, because the most important factor in this whole case with regards to the ball measurements………time……wasn’t recorded then either.

  42. tajuara says:
    Sep 3, 2015 3:47 PM
    Honest question, the balls lost pressure during the first half of the AFCCG, but didn’t during the second half, that is a fact. I can agree with your ideal gas law, but shouldn’t Brady had noticed this? I mean he is the QB and every other QB said that there is a difference (one of them even admitting paying the ball boy to deflate balls), so why not Brady? _________________________ That is not a fact! You did not read even the Wells Report. The Wells Report says the balls were measured after the second half, but for whatever reason, the measurements were NOT reliable. That’s a fact!

  43. The league is not just Roger Goodell. He reports to 32 owners so when you say the league and Goodell many other owners have his backing. Don’t get fooled by the smoke screen, it’s Goodell’s job to take this heat.

  44. tajuara says:

    Wrong, they did test the balls (page 73 of the Wells report), and none of the 4 Pats tested balls lost pressure. The low reading after the second half was 12.95 contrary to the low 10.5 during half-time. Also that day was not particulary cold to justify the lost in pressure. Funny that the ideal gas law only applied to the first half of a game, what happen? Global warming during the second half? _____________________ WRONG. Read the footnotes! In the footnotes, the place the Wells hid everything they didn’t want people to find, it says the figures are not to be trusted.

  45. Wells didn’t want to use the postgame measurements because the balls were higher after the game than what Walt Anderson had filled them to at halftime. That would have highlighted the Pats point that it was the cold and wet that had them deflated in the first place. So a decision was made to leave that data out, because it didn’t support the NFL’s narrative.

  46. “The only person that would order the balls deflated is the Quarterback.”

    -John Madden

    When it comes to football I believe in the court of Madden before the court of Berman.

  47. WRONG. Read the footnotes! In the footnotes, the place the Wells hid everything they didn’t want people to find, it says the figures are not to be trusted.
    ——————————————————

    Please provide pages, like this:

    Page 68: The Patriots game balls were tested first. Each of the eleven Patriots balls tested
    measured below the minimum allowable pressure of 12.5 psi on both of the two gauges used (low reading 10.50 High reading 11.95)

    Page 69: The officials also inflated and re-adjusted each of the Patriots game balls tested.
    Riveron instructed that footballs registering below the permissible range should be inflated and set to 13.0 psi.

    Page 73: Retesting (low reading 12.95 high reading 13.65), no ideal gas law uh

  48. Think I’ll just leave this right here for those that are still stuck on “Brady Cheated.”

    From August 12th Hearing:

    “There is no finding in this case that there was anything improper done by Mr. Brady.”

    Sincerely,

    Richard Berman
    Federal Judge US 2nd Circuit

  49. Funny…now De Smith speaks up now—after the fact. What a chump of a leader. Everyone knows Brady did what he did and he’s getting off on technicalities. Period–end of story. I don’t want to hear anything else…until the next time the Patriots try to get away with something.

    Goodell needs to step away from the discipline side of the CBA–which the players agreed to by the way—so this stuff can be taken care of.

    No other business runs like this. Period.

  50. jchipwood:

    yes, everyone in prison who was railroaded by a kangaroo court and not provided a fair process SHOULD be released from prison.

    Like the “prisoners” that get released when DNA evidence shows they didn’t do it.

  51. I wonder if Smith is as excited to defend the other players who lost games due to the Patriots cheating?

  52. .
    Top Ten Teams Who Sided With Goodell 100 %

    1. Seattle
    2. Baltimore
    3. Pittsburgh
    4. Indianapolis
    5. Miami
    6. The Jets
    7. New York Giants
    8. Denver
    9. New Orleans
    10. Green Bay

    Let’s hope you all enjoy Roger Goodell night at your stadium where you can get up close and personal with your messiah.

    Perhaps you could take up “a lackey collection” which would allow you to supplement the incomes of Goodell, Pash, and Wells.
    .

     

     

  53. I’m glad to see that Roger stood his ground under extreme pressure! He is fighting for the integrity of the league but he will never win because there is too much money changing hands. Deflategate is just the latest edition of the cheating Patriots. Brady and His smug coach were so desperate to make it to the Super Bowl they had to sink this low. They will NEVER get over what the Giants took from them fair and square! First cheating to get to the Bowl and then winning it when the fix was in! What a joke! Stick to your guns Roger and you Pat’s fans unite behind your cheating team!

  54. I can’t wait to see how the refs handle the Pats game hopefully they won’t get all the calls go their way all the time.

  55. Kingmj4891 says:
    Sep 3, 2015 3:38 PM
    Nice try Smith. The judge never said the Patriots didn’t cheat. The two equipment guys are the key to this. Patroits are still guilty just Brady gets a free pass because of a stupid judge.
    ______________________________________

    Yes they are…and the fact that the NFL conducted multiple interviews with them and got nothing was why Goodel didn’t want the notes from the Wells investigation turned over tells you what a sham this whole thing was

    It’s why they relied on an out of context text from May.

    Goodel is protecting the shield by hiding the corruption and unethical behavior of those in the league office.

    This was a magic act…Goodel got you all looking over here at the Pats and Brady while the real slimeballs were Kensil and Grigson.

  56. This proves the owners are as corrupt as Goodell.

    If im the owners, im telling Susie in accounting, block Goodells access to NFL funds.

    Any other organization in this country Goodell wpuld have been fired after BountyGate

  57. kmartinson says:
    Sep 3, 2015 4:58 PM
    Funny…now De Smith speaks up now—after the fact. What a chump of a leader. Everyone knows Brady did what he did and he’s getting off on technicalities. Period–end of story. I don’t want to hear anything else…until the next time the Patriots try to get away with something.

    Goodell needs to step away from the discipline side of the CBA–which the players agreed to by the way—so this stuff can be taken care of.

    No other business runs like this. Period.
    ________________________________________

    The “technicality” you speak of was a a biased investigation and a biased appeal hearing. Berman stopped just short of calling the NFL frauds in his ruling with the way he impugned the Pash Wells report and the appeal hearing.

  58. Kingmj4891 says:
    Sep 3, 2015 3:38 PM

    Nice try Smith. The judge never said the Patriots didn’t cheat. The two equipment guys are the key to this. Patroits are still guilty just Brady gets a free pass because of a stupid judge.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Number 1…Smith is speaking the truth
    Number 2….IF the equipment guys did mess with the balls….doesn’t mean they were told to do so by either the Patriots or Tom Brady..NO EVIDENCE to prove that fact. Get over it…move on with your life.

  59. tajuara says:
    Sep 3, 2015 3:47 PM

    Honest question, the balls lost pressure during the first half of the AFCCG, but didn’t during the second half, that is a fact.
    ________________________________________

    Honest answer.

    In the first half the footballs were measured in a warm locker room. They then spent roughly two hours in weather that was roughly 25 degrees colder. Next, they were taken into a locker room and the psi was measured before the footballs had a chance to return to locker room temperature.

    For the second half the footballs were inflated to

  60. Total BS ! The CBA that the players union signed gave full power to Roger Goddell to hand down punishments, i don’t why this case ever ended up in court?

    Dosen’t matter everybody knows Brady, and the patriots are cheaters, and surely will chant cheater at every stadium he visits from now on!!!!!

    Hang tough Roger, keep the 4 Game suspension at all costs.

  61. Kharma has a way of creating REAL justice. Brady got off on a technicality. The judge didn’t rule Brady was not guilty of the conspiracy to circumvent league rules.

    Spare me the cheaters celebration. You’re the same fans that rooted for Hernandez who on his off time was murdering people around Boston.

  62. Total BS ! The CBA that the players union signed gave full power to Roger Goddell to hand down punishments, i don’t why this case ever ended up in court?

    Dosen’t matter everybody knows Brady, and the patriots are cheaters, and surely will chant cheater at every stadium he visits from now on!!!!!

    ———————————————————————

    Prove it because a Federal Court just told you your wrong. This is the USA. Workers no matter what they sign cant be subjected to made up scenarios and have to accept it. There is a moral and fair clause that your missing all together. Go tell a soldier how you feel cause that thought process is why the NAZI’s were able to take power

  63. i find it hilarious that people say “got off on a technicality”. Herman excoriated the NFL and every aspect of the process. By putting “independent” in quotes as many times as he did, he was signaling the world that he didn’t believe a single word that Wells, Pash, Goodell or anyone associated with the NFL. In fact, it was clear the NFL was attempting to win on a “technicality”

    game/set/match – drop the mic – brady innocent of all charges and NFL guilty of all accusations…..

  64. I actually never cared how this played out. But some people might want to take a step back here and realize that this whole situation is millionaires fighting billionaires…over football.

  65. For those of you claiming Brady is getting off on a technicality you need to read the final ruling again. Berman was never ruling on anything other than the process. That said, there’s is MORE than enough information in Berman’s ruling to indicate the NFL failed miserably at proving Brady was involved.

    Should Smith gloat because Goodell has been caught yet again on disciplining outside of what was collectively bargained? Uh, yeah. Maybe Goodell will finally wake up and realize the Article 46 isn’t as all consuming as he would like. I’m seriously starting to wonder if Goodell even knows what notice means in labor law.

  66. lets see skawh, if you read his 40 page document which I am sure you did not, then you might find in it that the judge says he does not see anything that demonstrates evidence that anything was proven to have happened. The appeal transcript and wells report and the scientific studies show that the footballs could have been deflated by .2 psi at the most. Gee, the attendant went into the bathroom and in 100 seconds made sure to lower the psi by .2 psi. Sound logical?

    Goodell is quilty of leading an investigation that was manufacturing evidence to destroy Brady and the Patriots all for some owners needs to defeat them one way or another. Harbaugh lied about the Ravens being involved. That was proven. Ugly stuff and completely unnecessary. Skawh, get some professional help.

  67. Roger Goodell is the most incompetent human being in America.

    I am a humble school teacher. I will use Roger Goodell as a teaching point for how great the USA is…

    He is that stupid and makes that much money… Only in America!

  68. Yeah the cap is growing by nearly 10% a year and he has beat the NFL in court the last 5 times Roger went high and right. He is horrible… For the owners.

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