Report: Grigson makes decisions against Pagano’s wishes

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On the surface, the news today out of Indianapolis quotes Colts General Manager Ryan Grigson and coach Chuck Pagano as saying they’re on the same page. Scratch the surface, and it appears that the two don’t really see eye to eye.

Amid talk that Pagano is on the hot seat as he heads into the final season on his contract, both Grigson and Pagano made statements designed to show they’re all focused on having a good season.

Grigson said, “It makes no sense for us to be going in opposite directions. That’s not the case. Trust me. At the end of the day, we always do what’s best for the horseshoe. Period.”

Pagano added, “We have no egos around here. Everybody checks them at the door every day they come to work. Players, coaches, myself, Ryan.”

But the Indianapolis Star reports that Grigson’s tendency to make decisions that run counter to Pagano’s wishes has become a real issue with the Colts. According to the report, Grigson inserts himself in lineup decisions, which are usually made by the coaching staff without interference from the front office. That included Grigson getting involved in the changes the Colts made at center last season, changes that not everyone on the team was on board with.

Usually when there’s a rift between a coach and G.M., it’s because the team is flailing and each man blames the other. But the Colts have made the playoffs in each of Grigson and Pagano’s three seasons together. If the team continues to play well, Grigson and Pagano can probably push any differences they have aside. If the Colts take a step backward this season, however, it seems unlikely that Pagano will be getting a new contract. Instead, the Colts will be getting a new coach.

123 responses to “Report: Grigson makes decisions against Pagano’s wishes

  1. Unique circumstances for sure, but I felt Arians did the better job in Indy. I don’t see Pagano making it past this year. NFL’S Scott Brooks.

  2. “Trust me, I had nothing to do with sicking the NFL front office on the Patriots”
    Who believes that?

  3. Everyone was all on board with the failed sting operation, and we saw how that turned out. Maybe it’s better they don’t all agree on something.

  4. Whats good for the Horseshoe is to embarrass themselves by blaming their AFC title game beatdown on deflated balls….

    ….now THAT takes balls!!!!

  5. You think The Colts have problems now, just wait until New England rolls into town. I can’t wait for that smackdown!!!

  6. Could date back to Grigson initiating a sting for Irsay and the NFL and potentially not telling his coach. Seemed like Grigson was admitting his team and coach couldn’t beat the Patriots ON the field so he’d try to get Brady off it

    It also probably doesn’t help that the “AFC Finalists” suffered a humiliating loss in which Brady played worse with the supposedly deflated footballs

    To his credit, unlike Grigson, Kravitz, Irsay and pretty much every Colts fan (there are some exceptions among stand-up Colts fans) Pagano didn’t attempt to use a fabricated scandal as an excuse

    For that reason alone I’d trust Pagano more than Grigson

  7. .
    The only way Grigson saves his job is to throw Pagano under the bus. However, should Griggy get canned, Roger Goodell has promised him a job as assistant Commissioner of the NFL.

    There he can run all the league’s sting operations.
    .

  8. Grigson was a loser with the St Louis Rams when the Patriots beat them in the Super Bowl…

    He was a loser with the Eagles when the Patriots beat them in the Super Bowl.

    Now wait for it… He’s been a loser with the Colts since 2012… When the Patriots have beat th… Oh forget it..

    He’s a loser.. That the Colts hired with a proven loser record.. Wth

  9. A completely pathetic weak organization. From a pill popping lucky sperm owner, to a whining, sniveling conniving G.M. and an over matched coach. They won’t even be eligible to raise a participation banner this year.

  10. Haha and people think the Colts are going to win the AFC and go to the Bowl, this is going to end up like the Harbaugh situation last year. Only Irsay is dumb enough to allow this to happen.

  11. Hey Grigson, that “horseshoe” belongs to the city of Baltimore and so do your team colors and nickname. All three were stolen in the dead of night by that stinking Irsay family.

  12. Nothing would please me more then to see Grigson fail. I as much as I would like to despise Pagano as a Patriots fan I don’t. I like him and hope he succeeds. He’s a good coach and a good guy.

  13. Making the playoffs in that division is a joke. They have gotten blown out by the Patriots in every game that mattered to the point where they were co-conspirators in deflategate.

    The Colts have bad karma.

  14. They may make the playoffs again, but the Kansas City Chiefs will be repping the AFC in Super Bowl 50.

    The Chiefs have the best Owner/GM/Head coach tandem in the league, and they have the perfect relationship to each other.
    After the Chiefs reel off multiple titles over the next decade, teams will all be trying to emulate “The Chiefs Way”.

  15. You people talk about my Colts like we just have it so horrible. Oh gosh, yeah three straight 11-5 seasons and one round deeper into the playoffs every year. Fine, the Pats have our number. I’ll give you that. And fine, maybe Grigson sucks, but what does it matter if we keep winning? Lol

  16. Grigson is the weak link. He’s an embarrassment to a good and loyal fan base. Now he’s caused embarrassment to the NFL as a whole. He’s gone soon.

  17. Anyone in possession of a working brain would take issue with Grigson’s personnel decisions. It’s unfair for the media to portray Pagano as a player in a two part personal melodrama, because you could insert any other coach in the league into his position– even future hofs like Belichick or coughlin– and the situation would remain entirely the same.

    I don’t see how anyone paying attention to the farce in Indy can avoid any longer the bleedingly obvious truth: Ryan Grigson is an imbecile who possesses zero managerial or scouting ability, and his resentment towards those who do leads him to act very foolishly.

  18. Who’s idea was it to draft another wide receiver when they needed help stopping the run? Of all the offseason moves(Gore and Johnson included) they didn’t seem to do enough to make up the difference on how they got beat in the AFCCG. I know they get Mathis back but how much can he really help?

  19. Seriously, the fine folks of Indy should petition against the “runner up banner.” It’s pathetic and embodies everything wrong when every kid gets a trophy even if they don’t win.

  20. Could date back to Grigson initiating a sting for Irsay and the NFL and potentially not telling his coach. Seemed like Grigson was admitting his team and coach couldn’t beat the Patriots ON the field so he’d try to get Brady off it

    It also probably doesn’t help that the “AFC Finalists” suffered a humiliating loss in which Brady played worse with the supposedly deflated footballs

    To his credit, unlike Grigson, Kravitz, Irsay and pretty much every Colts fan (there are some exceptions among stand-up Colts fans) Pagano didn’t attempt to use a fabricated scandal as an excuse

    For that reason alone I’d trust Pagano more than Grigson

    Dude put the soap box away and stash the know it all Pats attitude. Football was invented long before the Sullivan’s started the Pats. Everything that happens in the NFL is not directly or indirectly related to the Pats….this isn’t a Kevin Bacon thing….your act is getting old….like the Cheetahs in….New England.

  21. I have no problem with what Grigson has done. Definitely prefer him over Polian. Sure, the Richardson trade was a fail. But his 2012 draft picks were incredible. Sorry that all you trolls who aren’t even Colts fans think he’s embarrassing (not sure how that’s possible). Cause I’m not embarrassed by him

  22. .
    Grigson guarantees the Colts will annihilate the Patriots in the first ” Berman Bowl “.

    Grigson also guarantees that he can cause marital discord in another person’s marriage, because that’s the role of an NFL executive and the NFL front office.
    .

  23. It’s Pagano and Luck who made the playoffs in each of their first three years. Grigson was a spectator.

    Considering Grigson’s track record in player personnel, he should be assigned to checking ball pressure for the equipment manager.

  24. You’d think Grigson would see that the Colts need help on D and he’d go about fixing that? Yet, he does nothing to fix that side of the ball.

  25. The whole organization, from the addicted owner on down, is pathetic. Pigano is NO stand-up guy, “I don’t know anything about a deflated football, I didn’t report anything, felt fine to me.” Liar.

    Desperate attempt by all in the colt’s sphere to drag Brady’s name through the mud for 9 months, for one reason, and one reason only…they all want him off the field, so he’ll stop torching their team. Jealousy over a coach and qb who’ve had their way with them going on 16 years. Don’t say that it’s not true, because it is.

    The “suck for luck” campaign, the piped in noise, a leaked bogus story about deflated footballs to a journalist whom colt’s fans have always claimed for years to despise, who hated his own hometown team…a dome for babies who can’t play football out in the elements. Sports fans everywhere will look back at this in years to come, and laugh at the colt’s desperation.

  26. Pagano can’t like how Grigson always pokes the Patriot bear and then leaves Pagano to take the mauling. That both Deflategate and the Participation Banner go right through his faux-wood paneled office should surprise nobody.

  27. Pagans deserves better than that rat Grigson.

    Irsay and Grigson, on the other hand, deserve each other. May Andrew Luck be just good enough to keep Grigson employed long enough to fill Lucas Oil Stadium with “AFC Playoff Participation” banners!

  28. Grigson was an offensive lineman, but can’t seem to field an average line for his twice in a generation QB. Couple that with poor defensive drafting and signings and I think he is on the hot seat. Sure up the trenches if you want to win in this league.

  29. GMs grow on trees.

    Head coaches don’t. Quarterbacks especially don’t!

    This story is believable. How so? Duron Carter, Trent Cole, and Todd Herremans. Grigson is an ex-CFL and Eagles guy. Why else are they there?

    Also, he should be on the hot seat for not even pursuing La’el Collins. Collins is a plug-and-play player at RT and either guard spot. And Grigson decided to stay with Donald Thomas and Gosder Cherilus???

  30. Nick Saban on line #3 for Mr Irsay.
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    I agree. The rumor mill opened about a week ago and already every story under the sun surfaces. By mid season it’ll be the 2nd coming of the 49ers from last year. I still can’t help but think Irsay’s sitting back and laughing to himself. By the end of the season Saban will have a Pete Carroll deal waiting for him.

  31. Grigson needs to go. Instigating Deflategate and a pretty poor track record apart from Luck falling into his lap. Has the look of a guy who was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple.

    Colts have serious competition in the AFC this year. Anyone who thinks the coach has failed if they don’t win the SB is a fool.

  32. Grigson is a clown, after having Luck fall in his lap all he’s done is squander that opportunity.
    Trent Richardson shows his scouting ability, the Colt run defense shows his team building ability.
    Except for good Luck in the all important QB spot the Colts would be one of the worst rosters in the league.

  33. Don’t know why anyone would think that Irsay will make a rational (sober) decision regarding the coach OR the GM!

    Operating an NFL franchise while “under the influence” should be illegal too!

  34. The Conspiracy Sting Framejob slimeballs in the Colts are Irsay and Grigson.

    Hope Itsay keeps abusing himself with his huge variety of drugs and Grigson makes more of the stupid trades and drafts he already has all over his resume.

  35. Pagano though one of the classiest guys on the earth, lacks emotional leadership. He is too calm, and collected, as a lot survivors of his illness and stressful situations can be. It comes off as not caring or knowing sometimes. His lockerroom has to guess how he feels about things, too often, thus drawing more attention to his percieved indifference. Players need emotion to know how to react in situations football and life. If Pags, and Fox, whissenhunt, trestman realize this they will be awesomer coachers. No one wants a circus clown like ryan, marrone, singletary, schwartz, but someone like Bruce Arians is perfect.

  36. Hi, my name is Ryan Grigson. Here is a list lf accomplishments in my tenure as the GM of the Colts:
    -I traded for Trent Richardson. What did I give away? Just a first rounder.

    -My team got beat like a drum in the AFC Championship game, giving up 45 points because my defense is mediocre at best. How did I fix that? By signing Andre Johnson and Frank Gore while drafting a WR in the first round.

    -I enjoy thanking people, “for being vigilant stewards of that not only for us but for the shield and overall integrity of our game.”

    Ryan Grigson, maybe the worst GM in football.

  37. Maybe Grigson is like Jerry J and knows more about football that any coach that ever played for Dallas.
    I hope Pagano gives him the finger before he leaves.
    The GM needs to stay the hell out of daily coaching decisions period. Especially when the team is winning.

  38. Marvin Lewis is perfect too. He is calm, but his stink-eye look is one of the best. as far as i know Pagano doesn’t even have a mean look. He has one look, and it is Stoic.

  39. jlmd17 says:
    Sep 7, 2015 7:10 PM
    Pagano needs to go away.
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    Grigson is the one that needs to go. Let Pagano and the staff coach. Ir Irsay lets Pagano go after the season and keeps Grigson instead, many natives will go on the warpath.

  40. smokehouse56 says:
    Sep 7, 2015 7:28 PM
    Hey Grigson, that “horseshoe” belongs to the city of Baltimore and so do your team colors and nickname. All three were stolen in the dead of night by that stinking Irsay family.

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    Here we go with people that don’t have a clue about the move !!
    Wrong Einstein, the Governor of Maryland was going to take the team by imminent domain. That’s why they left. If the lousy Governor and Mayor would have built a stadium to replace disgraceful Memorial Stadium the team would still be there. Wake up to reality !!

  41. While I think Pagano is overhyped as a coach. Grigson has had a horrible track record as GM, and comes off pretty sleezy. Luck seems to be carrying the two’s careers thus far, doesn’t hurt having two great OC in Arians and Hamilton.

    Too bad Harbaugh will be in Michigan for a while I wouldnt mind seeing him reunited with Luck and Gore if the opportunity came, and winning a SB.

  42. Yeah, Harry Hughes and WD Schaeffer handled the situation very poorly, not much different than the way officials in WA state screwed up the Sonics’ chances of staying in Seattle.

  43. picksixx says:
    Sep 7, 2015 7:10 PM
    Sounds like they need to have a drink together.
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    Yeah and maybe wash it down with some pills courtesy of Mr. Irsay.

  44. Grigson refuses to get defensive players for the team. Luck is great but these Colts teams are looking a lot like the Manning Colts teams. Great QB, very few good players on D.

  45. BMac……..”imminent domain”……..

    Kinda hard to take your post or you serious after that. So I didn’t and don’t.

  46. The problem with this team is that they think it’s better strategy to whine and moan about the Patriots to the league office than, you know, building an actual defense capable of stopping the run.

  47. Blah blah blah about his inspirational battle with cancer. Lots of people get cancer. That doesn’t automatically make them better at their job. Throw the emotion out the door; at the end of the day Pagano is a bottom tier NFL coach. When’s the last time the Colts have played a solid 60 minute game? They have a terrible habit of sucking in the 1st half when they’re following Pagano’s so-called gameplan. That’s 100% on the coaching staff. Once they go down by 3+ scores and are forced to throw out the gameplan and just turn loose Andrew Luck to do his thing, they almost always come back. That’s how good the players are when they aren’t being held back by incompetent coaching. While you can’t fire a guy for getting cancer, based on performance during and since the 2012 season its painfully obvious that Bruce Arians was and is the better head coach.

  48. I’ve seen one specific imbecile suggest a Cowher/Saban tandem in Indy. Only someone who is mentally challenged or has been repeatedly dropped on his head as a child would think that either of those two would work for that drug addict. As embarrassing as the Participation banner is, I’m surprised that they haven’t put up a banner to celebrate their most productive season “2011 Suck for Luck 2-14”.

  49. luckyjim1980 says:
    Sep 7, 2015 9:41 PM

    I cannot believe anyone not palpably idiotic or insane thinks Grigson a more competent gm than Bill Polian.
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    You’re setting the bar pretty high for some of the folks around here.

  50. Cue the down votes…..

    But all the take about “wait until the Patriots roll into town, blah blah blah…” Really? This ain’t 2014 Pats fans. Malcolm Brown fell into your laps bc 31 other teams didn’t see him as a first rounder. And in the preseason he’s looked pretty bad. Your WR corps is dangerously thin, and you lost your two best cover guys. Sure, you’re the Pats and will be good….but thinking you’re coming into Indy to roll the Colts? Please.
    And stop pinning Deflategate on the Colts. The Ravens knew something was up as well. The NFL is the one the Pats should be mad at bc they over reached on going after Brady. He got off, but that doesn’t make him innocent. Years from now those ball boys will talk and there will be a nice 30 for 30 on it.
    Good luck defending Andre Johnson, TY Hilton, Frank Gore, Coby Fleener, Dwayne Allen, and Phillip Dorsett with that depleted secondary…

  51. Nofoolnodrool says:
    Sep 7, 2015 7:51 PM

    Could date back to Grigson initiating a sting for Irsay and the NFL and potentially not telling his coach. Seemed like Grigson was admitting his team and coach couldn’t beat the Patriots ON the field so he’d try to get Brady off it

    It also probably doesn’t help that the “AFC Finalists” suffered a humiliating loss in which Brady played worse with the supposedly deflated footballs

    To his credit, unlike Grigson, Kravitz, Irsay and pretty much every Colts fan (there are some exceptions among stand-up Colts fans) Pagano didn’t attempt to use a fabricated scandal as an excuse

    For that reason alone I’d trust Pagano more than Grigson

    Dude put the soap box away and stash the know it all Pats attitude. Football was invented long before the Sullivan’s started the Pats. Everything that happens in the NFL is not directly or indirectly related to the Pats….this isn’t a Kevin Bacon thing….your act is getting old….like the Cheetahs in….New England.
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    If you are gonna come up with a lame, idiotic post like this at least try not comparing the Super Bowl XLIX Champions with the fastest land animal on earth….Cheetah? Way to go there genius.

  52. gp1390r says:
    Sep 7, 2015 11:07 PM
    Cue the down votes…..

    But all the take about “wait until the Patriots roll into town, blah blah blah…” Really? This ain’t 2014 Pats fans. Malcolm Brown fell into your laps bc 31 other teams didn’t see him as a first rounder. And in the preseason he’s looked pretty bad. Your WR corps is dangerously thin, and you lost your two best cover guys. Sure, you’re the Pats and will be good….but thinking you’re coming into Indy to roll the Colts? Please.
    And stop pinning Deflategate on the Colts. The Ravens knew something was up as well. The NFL is the one the Pats should be mad at bc they over reached on going after Brady. He got off, but that doesn’t make him innocent. Years from now those ball boys will talk and there will be a nice 30 for 30 on it.
    Good luck defending Andre Johnson, TY Hilton, Frank Gore, Coby Fleener, Dwayne Allen, and Phillip Dorsett with that depleted secondary…
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    Okay, I agree with you. The Colts were part of deflate gate, but it was not all their fault. Grigson ranks below Kensil, Goodell, Wells, and Pash in this.

    Also, the Colts are a very good team. Nice win at Denver. It was a step in the right direction.

    I also don’t think you should underrate the Patriots defense. Don’t just discount the real addition of Easley and that the Patriots defense was the youngest of among the youngest to win a SB last year. The front 7 is pretty damn good and so is Devin McCourty. Nobody should count on Malcolm Brown until we see what he really has. The Colts have a ways to go before catching the Patriots. I happen to think the deflate gate wore on Tom Brady and had to have some effect on him. We’ll see how much. None of that needed to happen.

  53. tigerlilac says:
    Sep 7, 2015 7:31 PM
    Making the playoffs in that division is a joke. They have gotten blown out by the Patriots in every game that mattered to the point where they were co-conspirators in deflategate.

    The Colts have bad karma.

    93 16
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Let’s fact check you like they do to the politicians after a speech.

    It was YOU who said that the Colts have “… gotten blown out by the Patriots in EVERY (emphasis mine) game that mattered…”

    Hmm… in a PLAYOFF game on Jan 21st of 2007 the Colts beat the Patriots.

    Was that not a game that mattered? Guess not to you since you said the Pats have blown out the Colts in EVERY game that mattered.

    Say what you mean and mean what you say.

    It isn’t difficult to say the Pats have beaten the Colts in most games that mattered.

    Oh, in the 2000’s (2000 to 2009) the Pats won 8 times and the Colts won 6 times.

    As far as blowing them Colts out, 4 of the Pats 8 wins that decade over the Colts were by single digits…

  54. For all of Grigson’s blunders, he still gets pretty lenient treatment from the media. Bobby Greier, a bad gm but not nearly as bad as Grigson, was treated by the Boston press like he was Charles Manson or something. I’m breathlessly awaiting the day the Indianapolis Star covers Grigson the way the Boston Globe covered Greier.

    Ryan Grigson should be thankful. If it weren’t for the fact that he inherited the number one overall pick (ie, Andrew Luck) from the previous regime, he’d be remembered as the second coming of Matt Millen.

  55. Why would either keep their job?

    If you take away Luck and replace him with a Dalton or Stafford they are a 6 win team. The rest of the roster for the most part is under achieving.

    And if you took Luck and put him on the Lions or Bengals both those teams would roll everyone. So that alone shows how mismanaged the team has been.

    Plus they are in the worst division of the league.

  56. Grigson should take himself out of the picture and let Pagano either succeed or fail on his own. If the team fails with Grigson’s input, it’s an argument to remove Grigson.

  57. Nofoolnodrool says:
    Sep 7, 2015

    Dude put the soap box away and stash the know it all Pats attitude. Football was invented long before the Sullivan’s started the Pats. Everything that happens in the NFL is not directly or indirectly related to the Pats….this isn’t a Kevin Bacon thing….your act is getting old….like the Cheetahs in….New England
    ———-
    speaking of old acts…

    football may have been invented before Sullivan but BB & TB12 perfected it. Pats fans don’t know it all, but we do know more than you darling.

    but please continue to regale us with you acumen regarding football. I love starting my day with a good laugh.

  58. gp1390r says: Sep 7, 2015 11:07 PM

    Cue the down votes…..

    And stop pinning Deflategate on the Colts. The Ravens knew something was up as well.
    ============================

    gp1390r: Trying an educate yourself by reading the NFL’s own reports, there was nothing going on, this was a fabricated witchhunt to smear the Patriots because they have “upset the competitive balance” in the NFL by kicking butts for the past 15 years. NFL no like that!

  59. I get tired of saying this…..Grigson needs to go, not Pagano.

    Colts can’t stop the run but that’s nothing a couple of wide receivers can’t fix. Colts can’t get a run game or even pass protection…no problem, receivers are the remedy to that problem.

    What good is talented players on offense without an O-line? Linemen are the backbone of any team on both sides of the ball.

    Grigson must go!!!!!!

  60. Pretty sure Pagano wouldnt have emailed the league the bogus story about deflated balls either.

    He’s a stand-up guy.

    Griggson is a train wreck but, in the end, he’s one of these guys in the NFL that will have the owners ear and when this season ends like last season – the WRONG guy will get fired.

    Just look at the Trent Richardson trade for crying out loud.

    Griggson is running the team into the ground. Drating a WR instead of a DT????????? are you kidding me…?

  61. So this guy is basically Bill Polian 2.0. I think maybe Irsay needs to be looked at as why does he keep hiring GMs that want to have a say in lineup decisions? That’s not supposed to be their job unless they are also the head coach. Sounds like to me that Irsay tells these guys they can have a say and then he causes these issues with the coaching staff.

    No wonder this team continues to falter come playoff time under current ownership.

  62. But all the take about “wait until the Patriots roll into town, blah blah blah…” Really? This ain’t 2014 Pats fans. Malcolm Brown fell into your laps bc 31 other teams didn’t see him as a first rounder.
    —-
    Not exactly.


    And in the preseason he’s looked pretty bad.

    It’s really premature to judge Brown. Regardless, he’s not the one you need to worry about. Dominique Easley is actually playing this year.


    Your WR corps is dangerously thin,

    As opposed to last year? Edelman is the best slot receiver in the NFL right now. LaFell will be back eventually. And of course, there’s always Gronk.


    and you lost your two best cover guys. Sure, you’re the Pats and will be good….but thinking you’re coming into Indy to roll the Colts?

    Well, they did so last season. Until the Colts improve their run defense, they’re not a true contender. What really baffles me is that the Broncos didn’t roll over that weak defense. The Broncos, Ravens, and Steelers worry me. The Colts do not. Your drug-addled owner has hired an idiot GM who is not up to the task of building a complete roster. If Indy didn’t have such a huge advantage at the QB position, they wouldn’t even be a playoff team.

  63. *UNSUBSCRIBE*

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  64. A lot of people hate LeBron James. A lot of people hate Tiger Woods. A lot of people hate Tom Brady. A lot of people hate Ryan Grigson. A lot of people are jealous of successful people.

  65. Yawn – molehill…

    Patri*ts still cheated and everyone knows it. just because some judge throws it out because of excessive punishment doesn’t mean they didn’t.

    Pittsburgh is gonna clean their clocks, because their secondary is non-existant.

  66. I hope Pagano is let go after this season — he deserves to be with a better team…and, wherever he lands, Andrew Luck will follow; Luck is not an idiot – he can see that Irsay and Grigson are scumbags and he doesn’t want to be associated with that type.

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