Martz’s 2008 statement hasn’t changed

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Tuesday’s report from ESPN regarding the Patriots contained a potentially explosive allegation from former Rams coach Mike Martz. Upon closer review, it now appears that Martz’s allegation regarding changes to a statement given to the NFL in 2008 has no merit.

Unless, that is, he had never previously read his own statement in the seven-plus years since it was issued.

In the ESPN story, Martz explained that he provided a statement regarding suspected cheating prior to Super Bowl XXXVI, between St. Louis and New England. He then was shown the statement. And Martz said he didn’t recognize it.

It shocked me,” Martz told ESPN. “It appears embellished quite a bit — some lines I know I didn’t write. Who changed it? I don’t know.”

But the Martz statement posted Tuesday by ESPN.com is identical to the statement he issued in May 2008. The full text was copied and pasted from an article by Mike Reiss (then of the Boston Globe; the link to his story is now dead) to the website PatsFan.com, and portions of it appeared in a May 2008 story from the Associated Press.

Tuesday’s story from ESPN didn’t mention this fairly important fact, which tends to undercut the notion that someone harvested Martz’s statement, made changes unbeknownst to him, and then keep those changes from him for more than seven years. If anyone changed Martz’s statement, he had a full and fair opportunity to see the final product in print, to notice that there were “some lines I know I didn’t write,” and to deal with it at the time.

Even if he chose at the time to let it go because, for example, he hoped to get another head-coaching job in the NFL and didn’t want to make waves, he shouldn’t be currently “shocked” by the realization that words were put in his mouth. That should be old news.

And ESPN should have provided more details about the situation in its story, instead of creating the impression that someone from the NFL surreptitiously changed Martz’s words in order to stave off a Congressional investigation. In a story that already stretched beyond 10,000 words, a paragraph explaining that: (1) Martz’s statement was published in 2008; (2) the text of it hasn’t changed since; and (3) Martz never said “boo” about it at any time since the statement was published would have been a simple addition.

In fairness to the story and to all parties involved, it’s a simple addition that should have been made.

Maybe ESPN will make the change now. Right after it changes the story that 11 of 12 Patriots footballs were two pounds under the 12.5 PSI minimum.

137 responses to “Martz’s 2008 statement hasn’t changed

  1. You can’t make this stuff up! The only given is the Patriots just keep on winning, while the haters eat up the lies and hearsay feed them by two institution in the gutter – the NFL & their evil, but stupid sidekick, ESPN.

    How the mighty have fallen. And the Patriots keep winning.

  2. Maybe, he wrote a statement and sent it in one year earlier. When the transcripts were published, he probably had more important things to do than go find them and read them. He had probably moved on.

  3. ESPN is a joke.

    That said its hilarious how far in the heads of some teams the Patriots are. All that looking, all that paranoia for the last 7 years and all they could come up with is some footballs naturally losing air pressure? C’mon man.

  4. There’s a boatload of evidence on that ESPN report and all you want to do is try and pick apart bits and pieces. You and other Patriots fans act as if this whole thing is just made up and an attempt to frame them. Up until this summer you had no problem criticizing the Patriots and all of a sudden you do everything in your power to try and save them. What a joke.

  5. I think you are missing something here. If anyone was going to or did change Martz’s statement, they would have done so prior to releasing it to the public. And just because the Globe published it then there is no reason to think that Martz necessarily saw or read the Globe at that time and if he did that he would scrutinize his own statement for any changes as he would just naturally assume that his statement would be what they gave him.

    Why on earth would he make up something now that somebody changed his statement? He would know that the original could be produced with his original signature. I hope he kept and has one of his original statements. Now that would be interesting.

  6. Thank god we are less than 48 hours away from real football and can stop hearing about Patriot ‘scandals’ and RG 3 not for me – and let the Commish scout sites for an NFL developmental league in say Antartica til after the Super Bowl

  7. This is the problem with reporting things as fact, then making further assumptions based on said ‘fact’ which turns out not to be.

    Journalism these days is pretty much running with a half truth or rumour, speculating on on it to form another half truth, and so on, until a perception exists that supports the writer’s agenda, and then hoping that no one notices its a house of cards.

    Everyone is guilty of it.

  8. Please look into Van Natta’s two reasonings for destroying the tapes. Once this past December on the BS Report and the new story he tells in this article.

    Everyone knew the Pats taped signals for advanced play scouting. In fact I assumed it happened in EVERY game not just 40 of 112 as stated.

    The rest of the article is anonymous sources. The stealing of play scripts is certainly bad if true. The Super Bowl loser complaining with 0 evidence is sour grapes. I bet it was real tough to get those quotes from the losing team concerning the Patriots. By the way the Rams Red Zone walk through the Pats taped…Rams got in the Red zone once in SB36 an scored 1 TD. It never happened. A disgruntled employee with immunity said so. Why would he lie after whistleblowing the rest?

  9. The bottom line is Martz said to this day he still thinks the Patriots taped signals or did something shady. Regardless of what the text of the letter says. He said he was pressured by Goodell to put something in writing. He did it because at the time he agreed that a congressional investigation wasn’t good for the league so that’s ultimately why he did what Goodell asked. It’s comical at this point how hard you’re trying Florio.

  10. It matters not to me. I’m the only QB in this league with multiple rings, without a cheating scandal or rape accusation on my resume.

    Sincerely,

    Eli Manning

  11. I would guess most coaches don’t read their own press clippings, especially if in interviews at the time he wasn’t asked about the statement. But either way, a lot of time has passed, and memories of statements, especially if pressured to give an altered reality, could get confused. For all the work ESPN did on this story, if that claim is made it would be best to have buttoned down this aspect.

  12. Martz says “it appears embellished” and says he didn’t write some lines.

    Honestly, who remembers exactly what they wrote a few days later, let alone 7 years later. The guy, as always, just wants attention.

    By the way, remember that time Don Van Natta wrote that other ESPN article where he mischaracterized texts between Ray Rice and Steve Bisciotti? Seriously, at the very least, he needs to know how bad mistakes like these are for journalism.

  13. If there is 1 thing that can be learned from “deflategate,” it’s that whenever ESPN comes out with a story in the morning, hold judgement until the end of the day when, you know, all the facts are made clear.

    ESPN blatantly lies. Wake up sheep.

  14. NFL/Owners were geared up for a Spygate make up call but were embarrassed by the paltry results of the Wells Report and as the summer wore on, the way everything else played out (most importantly, the fact that Berman ordered all appeal testimony to be unsealed, exposing Goodell and the league office basically as manipulative liars), they were embarrassed and once Jonathan Kraft rubbed salt into the wound when he made his comments about a different kind of banner they planned to release if Brady was still suspended for week 1, the owners conspired to take advantage of the underlying rhetoric of the cheating advantages by ‘filming-from-wrong-location gate”. Kinda transparent, human nature but they are upset by losing in court, in court of public opinion and then by hearing comments from NE’s willingness to defy league protocol regarding the Championship banner ceremony.

  15. Well the author of the article (Van Natta) directly contradicted a report that he put out last year saying that all of the owners voted to destroy the tapes. For some reason he decided today to change his mind to speculate that it was Goodell acting with Belichick and Kraft to protect the Patriots (without any proof, albeit). If he’s willing to lie and go back on his own word regarding an issue at the crux of his 10,000 word diatribe who’s to say he won’t try to throw out the impression that the NFL directly changed testimony to stave off a Congressional investigation? Nothing’s off limits with the Worldwide Leader.

    This is the same guy that was let from the NYT for, “being a designated hitman…whose goal was to write smear pieces against the Times’ enemies”.

    Regardless, I do not know what ESPN / NFL lies to believe in anymore. Far too many to keep up with at this point.

  16. Um, no one ever said the published statement got changed. Martz submitted a statement through the team/league.

    And now that he sees it, it is not what he wrote. And he is specific about what he did not write.

    So the fact that it did not change is not a surprise and changes nothing, and the ESPN article is not the least bit confusing.

  17. Mike, we all know ESPN is a bit loose with the facts and, it seems, is still confused by the rules. Taping of opponents signals is STILL LEGAL as long as it is conducted in the proper location and not used in game (“that might aid a team during the playing of a game”).

    The rule excludes the coaches booth, the field, and the locker room.

    Mike, please verify,

  18. I can’t tell what’s worse anymore… The NFL’s handling of major issues the last couple years or ESPN’s issue of blatantly omitting information in their “articles”. Both need to stop their witch hunts IMO and just let teams play. If there’s a real story WITH EVIDENCE, publish it. If there’s a real violation, provide timely and just punishment. It’s not that hard….

  19. Until people have to swear under oath before a judge/congressional hearing, this will all be hearsay.

    Personally, I wish the DOJ would investigate. This is a billion dollar industry with gambling and tax implications.

    I’m tired of just hearing about it. I want people to pay for it. The Patriots are cheaters who will have an asterisk by their record.

    And the NFL/Goodell are dirty too.

  20. From the NFL Ops & League Governance homepage:

    The Game Operations Manual is one of the league’s three comprehensive policy manuals for member clubs and, by necessity, it is often military-like in its precision and astonishing in its thoroughness.

    Military-like in its precision.
    “Hey Walt, where did the balls go?”
    “Hey Walt, toss me that gauge with the bent needle – you know the one that is off by 4/10 of a PSI.”
    “Hey Walt, the second half is starting – where are the balls?”

  21. ESPN Report: Walsh later told investigators that, at the time, he didn’t know the NFL game operations manual forbade taping signals.

    Thats because it didn’t.

  22. I love when the internet saves something someone said in the past so that you can hammer them with it later when they claim they didn’t say it!

  23. ESPN: during pregame warm-ups, a low-level Patriots employee would sneak into the visiting locker room and steal the play sheet, listing the first 20 or so scripted calls for the opposing team’s offense. (The practice became so notorious that some coaches put out fake play sheets for the Patriots to swipe.)

    How do you get away with this practice during “the era” if it was also “notorious”?

  24. Some of the Steelers’ defensive coaches remain convinced that a deep touchdown pass from Brady to Deion Branch in the January 2005 AFC Championship Game, which was won by the Patriots 41-27, came from stolen signals because Pittsburgh hadn’t changed its signals all year.

    Same signals all year? “Stolen” ?

  25. ESPN reports Bigfoot mated with the Loch Ness Monster while in a Sharknado, according to anonymous sources. More details on Sportscenter tonight.

  26. It amazes me that ESPN continues to publish documents without doing any verification, proof or research. It is sad….

  27. I didn’t much like the Seahawks going into the last Super Bowl, but I’ll give them credit that they didn’t whine and complain when they lost, like the Rams and the other teams that just can’t accept that the Patriots outplayed them and have outplayed every team over the past 15 years. And ESPN would rather try to revive an eight year old story than concentrate on the upcoming NFL story. Oh well, while other teams and reporters are focusing on this stuff, it’s still “Do Your Job” in Foxboro. And that’s why they win.

  28. Dude, quit making excuses.
    The whole football reader world already knows the love f you have for the Patriots.
    You write as if you know each fact and what was said and done by the detail. You assume quite a lot.
    We get it. Pat fan.
    It’s why your opinions, Patriots especially , are meaningless and have no merit. They’re only opinions.
    Btw, I’ve been emailing and trying to get you into a debate but to no avail. Figures.
    And I tried hard to listen to your snorefest podcasts and after 20 minutes, couldn’t listen. You’re not as funny as you think you are buddy.

  29. Thanks Mr. Florio for staying on top of these ESPN hack stories. It’s clear that those in power at that incompetent organization have an axe to grind with the Patriots. It seems that they want to put public opinion back against the Patriots before the season starts and their NFL crew go back on TV. With Mortensen and Cris Carter having credibility issues they just rehash old BS to spin the narrative back against the Pats.

  30. Whatever you think of “spygate”, ignoring the fact a lot of teams did it, nothing the pats did was against the rules until 2007. The nfl got blown away in their smear campaign against Brady and ESPN’s credibility got clobbered by being exposed as being used by the nfl to leak all kinds of false information. Some people are not happy about that apparaany but the nfl is too big a target for payback. Funny stuff

  31. ESPNs statements are stories from the mount, they’re never wrong except when they break a story. Somebody ought to investigate them.

  32. Love or hate the Patriots it should be obvious to everyone that ESPN is in bed with the NFL in the PR war against those in Foxboro.

    The half truths, and outright lies in some cases by ESPN and the Integrity filled NFL should send a shiver down every fans spine.

  33. Imagine, for a second, you fans of the ‘other 31’, how AWESOME it would be if the entire league, he’ll world, was OBSESSED with your team and it’s all anyone talked about!

    It’s AWESOME being a Patriots fan.

  34. Mike, it seems to me that lately you are one of the rare respected media that actually fact checks all this slandering against this team by ESPN.

    ESPN never liked New England for not granting it the access it expects because it is the giant, the Disney of sports media…’how dare you not grant us access’.

    Well as a result, ESPN, always spins stories against NE that are not entirely the truth, leaving facts out and highlighting what New England does when really that is what all teams do but New England gets slammed. It may not be right by New England but it is not right by other teams either. Even John Madden said many years ago on a NATIONALLY TELEVISED GAME that coaches tape signals. Yet, the Patriots get the wrath.

    The tide needs to turn on ESPN and people need to see them for what they really are, the TMZ of Sports…

  35. Does Mike Martz have any comment to why Patriots players saw a man with a telescope outside their practice field before SB 36? Maybe that’s why he thinks the Patriots were cheating. Takes one to know one.

  36. Unfortunately, the BS is now out there to be re-quoted ad finitum, and Martz will likely issue weasely Kurt Warner-like “who knows, maybe they did” squeals for decades.

    I blame concussion – they are all still butt-sore and that’s where their brains are – but a Congressional investigation of ESPN and the NFL’s offices might not be such a bad thing.

  37. That still doesn’t mean the NFL didn’t embellish the statement before it was released without Martz knowing and why would he say “boo” about it? What was done was done and the Patriots are cheaters, that we know. ESPN fawned over New England for a decade and now that they are calling out their darlings their fans are extra-butt hurt and that’s cool.

  38. {So wait, you’re saying that a statement made by an opponent involving accusations against the Patriots, has, under further scritiny, been determined to be inaccurate?

    I wonder which part sticks for eternity now? The accusation or the fact that it was proven wrong? }

    You’ve just been introduced to the sarcasm brackets { }

  39. ESPN….l-l-lied???

    Seriously, they put out that tripe yesterday after they were humiliated in the Brady hearings. The timing was so see-through it might as well have been cellophane. After they end up having to retract that garbage from yesterday they’ll put out yet ANOTHER hit-piece, at the behest of the NFL. Get over it Goodell. You lost. Take your ill-gotten millions from the owners and go ruin someone else’s league.

  40. Why would ESPN add information that discredits the people whose accusations they rely on for perpetuating their aggenda?

    How many other things in that report have been embellished or do people misremember after 8 years?

  41. It is obvious now that Hacksaw Goodell and ESPN collude in these smear campaigns so they can inundate the other teams with disinformation to turn them against the Patriots. That lie about 11 out of 12 balls being 2 lbs underweight wasn’t aimed at the public so much as the other owners, all of whom supported Goodell based on lies. What I find truly funny about this latest ESPN stunt is that it purports to quote — verbatim — unrecorded conversations from almost 10 years ago. That alone is a gigantic red flag to anyone that has ever interviewed eyewitnesses, even without knowledge of ESPN’s continual deception.

  42. The timing of this is a bit odd. Roger goes on Mike and Mike to talk shop and 2 hours later E60 drops 10000 words about an 8 year old story. Then the usual league mouthpieces praised the writing. Objective readers took all of an hour to start shooting holes in this but Peter King couldn’t tweet his praise fast enough.

  43. Why would Martz ever need to read his own statement in the press? He wrote it–he knew what it said. The NFL was trying to control the story; hence, asking the Steelers and Eagles to tow the company line. Why is it crazy to think they’d adjust Martz’s wording to fit their narrative, without changing the core of his statement?

  44. So wait….. You want me to believe that ESPN left out pertinent information that may have put accusations against the patriots into context? WOW!!! Its almost like they have no ethics.

  45. Here we go, more lies about the Pats.

    Notice these incorrect statements all involve LOSERS like Martz, ESPN, Goodell, Mort, ESPN again, etc., etc.

    Why don’t these morons just concentrate on this season. There is a new Super Bowl out there for the taking. If you’re worried about the Pats you’re not focusing on this years work.

  46. ESPN’s hatchet job really does destroy any credibility they have as a place for investigative journalism with integrity. Repeating rumors as fact, without bothering to include any of the other info like the retractions, or that there has never been any proof, or that some of the accusations are flat out lies.

  47. Wasn’t the point that he provided a statement to the NFL, and the NFL changed it before it was ever released in the first place?

    That’s how I read it – the alternative seems to be too easy to notice. The NFL can’t be THAT dumb, can it?

  48. Can anything by anyone at ESPN be believed? Of course not. Hiding behind the “protecting my sources” sham doesn’t cut it anymore. It’s already clear that a significant portion of the time the source uses that anonymity to advance a lie, float a trial balloon or otherwise spread unverified information or the journalist uses it to advance his prestige (I broke the story, see me roar) strengthen his relationship with his source ( quid pro quo deal, I release your BS story, you give me a real scoop) or generate undeserved clicks. In any case, as Brady said early on, this is not about ISIS. And as such, there is no need for journalists to either be allowed the protection and if allowed, should not use it except for extreme cases and only after it has been double verified. Because quite frankly, what difference does it make if I read this article by Florio at 8:00 am this morning or 8:00 pm tonight? None what-so-ever. It just doesn’t matter.
    Goodell’s credibility is lost. He cannot possibly repair it. The NFLPA are now legally bound to exploit that character and now legal flaw as they represent other players in their union. He has to go. Fire the man. And then get him some help. And get rid of the “protect my sources” nonsense.

  49. The NFL lies
    Goodell lies
    Pash lies
    Wells lies
    Colts lie
    Ravens lies
    31 Team owners lie
    Only Tom Brady asked to be sworn in under oath.
    Only Tom Brady has risen above the fray with a level professionalism and modesty we can all learn from.
    31 NFL owners are desperate to destroy the one team they can’t beat on the field. They should all be ashamed of their corrupt and immoral tactics

  50. EVERYONE knew there was more to Spygate than was reported!! You look back to the Pats and Philly Super Bowl and the amount of screen passes that were thrown when Philly blissed. The red zone plays in the Rams Super Bowl. Carolina’s defensive plays they NEVER ran before and Tom Brady knew and relayed to his players exacting what was going to happen. It doesn’t take a rock scientist to understand that they were NOT just video tapping from an undesignated spot on the field. It was MUCH more involved!! Why burn the video tapes?!?! Because the NFL was trying to protect the game!!

    It’s not rock science folks!!

  51. Unfortunately, the BS is now out there to be re-quoted ad finitum, and Martz will likely issue weasely Kurt Warner-like “who knows, maybe they did” squeals for decades because they can’t man-up.

    I blame concussion – they are all still butt-sore and that’s where their brains are – but a Congressional investigation of ESPN and the NFL’s offices might not be such a bad thing.

  52. Apparently no one above this comment read the article. It says they DIDN”T MAKE THE STATEMENT UP. Its verbatim from his issued statement at the time. Yeah the Pats have never cheated lol.

  53. I understood what was written. He gave a statement over the phone. Probably never read it. When he did, he was shocked because it wasn’t what he said. You really think an NFL coach during the season is writing statements about seven year old stories on a Wednesday or Thursday?

  54. Tom Brady lied more then once. He initially said thst he didn’t know the deflators. He also said that he “Always” destroys his cell phones, yet the 2 he used prior to the relivant
    One that he destroyed are both still in good health. If you look into his Wefding security incident, Tom is far from credible.

  55. cropslx says:
    Sep 9, 2015 9:32 AM
    EVERYONE knew there was more to Spygate than was reported!! You look back to the Pats and Philly Super Bowl and the amount of screen passes that were thrown when Philly blissed. The red zone plays in the Rams Super Bowl. Carolina’s defensive plays they NEVER ran before and Tom Brady knew and relayed to his players exacting what was going to happen. It doesn’t take a rock scientist to understand that they were NOT just video tapping from an undesignated spot on the field. It was MUCH more involved!! Why burn the video tapes?!?! Because the NFL was trying to protect the game!!

    It’s not rock science folks!!

    You need to rely on something other than spell check to get it right. It’s called education Blissed? Rock Science? Video Tapping?

  56. basedrum777 says:
    Sep 9, 2015 9:41 AM

    Apparently no one above this comment read the article. It says they DIDN”T MAKE THE STATEMENT UP. Its verbatim from his issued statement at the time. Yeah the Pats have never cheated lol.
    ……………………………………………………
    yeah, and that statement read(in part):

    “I had the opportunity to talk to Commissioner [Roger] Goodell yesterday and I was very satisfied with the NFL’s efforts to investigate the situation with Matt Walsh as it related to Super Bowl XXXVI. I’m very confident that there was no impropriety. I believed Bill Belichick when he said there wasn’t and I took that at face value.”

  57. basedrum777 says:
    Sep 9, 2015 9:41 AM

    Apparently no one above this comment read the article. It says they DIDN”T MAKE THE STATEMENT UP. Its verbatim from his issued statement at the time. Yeah the Pats have never cheated lol.

    ———

    I did in fact read the article. You may have too, but you seem to have missed the point.

    The point is that Martz claims, in ESPN’s article, that that comment was embellished and he didn’t say all of it. Florio’s point is that ESPN doesn’t dispute this claim…..meaning the 3 reporters that wrote the ESPN either a.) didn’t bother to do any research to find out what Martz’s actual statement was in 2008 or b.) knew what Martz’s 2008 statement was and didn’t bother to include that in the article….making it sound like something it is not.

  58. When all of this finally comes clear, the Patriots will no longer be acknowledged for anything that they’ve done. Because they’ve cheated to do it.

    All you idiot Patriots fans who flock to these polls to to give a “thumbs down” to anything that tells the truth about the Patriots are pathetic.

    Overwhelming evidence your team has cheated for decades.

  59. @ paulrevereshorse1775 says:
    Sep 9, 2015 10:03 AM————————————————————————————————————————–” meaning the 3 reporters that wrote the ESPN either a.) didn’t bother to do any research to find out what Martz’s actual statement was in 2008″ —————————————————————————————————————What a shock – ESPN guilty of shoddy & incomplete journalism! LOL – I feel bad for Schefter – seems like the one good apple in a rotten barrell.

  60. arcross12042004scorp15 says:
    Sep 9, 2015 9:45 AM

    Tom Brady lied more then once. He initially said thst he didn’t know the deflators. He also said that he “Always” destroys his cell phones, yet the 2 he used prior to the relivant
    One that he destroyed are both still in good health. If you look into his Wefding security incident, Tom is far from credible.

    ——–

    You are wrong. Brady never said he didn’t know Jastremski; you are making up that part. Brady said he didn’t know who Jim McNally was. That was because McNally’s nickname was Bird….which Brady thought was Burt. Not that complicated to understand.

    As for the phones……yeah I’ll agree he didn’t turn over the one used from Nov. 6th until March. However he did turn over the one he used up until Nov. 6th. So what did they find on that phone?

    There is a section in the Wells report called “Communications about Inflation and Deflation” that starts on page 75 and continues through to page 86. All 35 text messages in that section of the report were made from Sept 30 to the end of October. The phone Brady turned over was during the same time frame.

    So what did they find on it? Surely they would have made public any results, right? Did they even bother to look? If they didn’t look, why not?

  61. Martz has been fired from every job he has ever held. Over matched and clueless in the 2001 Super Bowl. The Patriots won that game because they beat the living daylights out of Faulk and their receivers. Carolina lost because they just were not that good and caught lightning in a bottle. The eagles because Mcnabb was literally puking on himself down the stretch. Those are the facts.

  62. “The tide needs to turn on ESPN and people need to see them for what they really are, the TMZ of Sports…”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    The people actually on the TMZ sports team are thoroughly offended by such an accusation claiming, “We would never stoop to their level”.

  63. realdealsteel says:
    Sep 9, 2015 10:09 AM
    When all of this finally comes clear, the Patriots will no longer be acknowledged for anything that they’ve done. Because they’ve cheated to do it.

    All you idiot Patriots fans who flock to these polls to to give a “thumbs down” to anything that tells the truth about the Patriots are pathetic.

    ________________________________________

    How is that the truth? It is clear that no one at ESPN followed up on the Martz interview to see if his story was correct. Maybe he was misinterpreted, but that’s a pretty easy thing to follow up on. And they didn’t.

    And Martz is one of the only actual names in the story. The rest is anonymous former employees. It’s damning stuff, but I don’t understand why you have to stay anonymous if you were fired or retired or took a job with another team. What do you have to lose? I want to hear on the record from former players. Bruschi, Harrison, Wilfork etc.

    It’s not just Pats fans who are skeptical of ESPN’s storytelling here. And SI’s story about players complaining their Gatorade was too warm is screaming of sour grapes.

    With regard to overwhelming evidence, I don’t see that either. All teams do some version of this, ask John Maddon back in 1992. They Pats claimed they were being spied on during their practice leading up to the 2002 Superbowl. By your standard of “cheating” the Panthers have been cheating for decades too.

  64. cropslx says:
    Sep 9, 2015 9:32 AM

    EVERYONE knew there was more to Spygate than was reported!! You look back to the Pats and Philly Super Bowl and the amount of screen passes that were thrown when Philly blissed.

    Proving that Brady, like most semi-competent QBs, can read a blitz package when he sees one. And since the screen passes kept working, why would the Patriots stop?

    The red zone plays in the Rams Super Bowl. Carolina’s defensive plays they NEVER ran before and Tom Brady knew and relayed to his players exacting what was going to happen.

    Wonder why they didn’t score in the 1st or 3rd quarters then. Look, adopting an incredulous tone about how wonderful a team’s plays are and how unbelievable it is that they were stopped doesn’t constitute evidence of anything.

    It doesn’t take a rock scientist to understand that they were NOT just video tapping from an undesignated spot on the field. It was MUCH more involved!! Why burn the video tapes?!?! Because the NFL was trying to protect the game!!

    It’s not rock science folks!!

    No, it certainly isn’t “rock science”.

    The NFL showed all the videotapes to reporters. I wish they hadn’t destroyed them, but Goodell did that because he couldn’t keep his own office from leaking them.

    Look, the next time you have some credible evidence of taping practices, bring it forward. Until then, all we have is your incredulous attitude.

  65. unclefresh says:
    Sep 9, 2015 2:41 AM

    The “dynasty” is a fraud. There should be an asterisk on every win during the cheating era.

    —————-

    Why do you think the NFL isn’t following your advice?

    Maybe it’s because they know that the Patriots aren’t the only guilty team and they don’t want to open a can of worms.

    For example, look what Jimmy Johnson had to say about filming defensive signals in 2008:

    “Oh in a heartbeat, yeah. Yes I did,” Johnson said, before confirming it was done via video.
    “Oh yeah, I did it with video and so did a lot of other teams in the league,” Johnson continued. “Just to make sure that you could study it and take your time, because you’re going to play the other team the second time around. But a lot of coaches did it, this was commonplace.”

    And his methods: “My guy was up with my camera crew in the press box. So you’d just put an extra camera up with your camera crew in the press box who zoomed in on the signal callers. That’s the best way to do it, but anyway you can’t always do that because the press box camera crew might be on the same side as the opposing team. If they’re on the same side as the opposing team that’s when you need to do it from the sideline.”

  66. jetsfanglenn12 says:
    Sep 9, 2015 10:58 AM

    I really dont see anything wrong with what ESPN is doing. They are reporting what Martz said about the statement, not their personal opinion on it.

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    The problem is incomplete reporting with the intention of leaving the impression on the reader that Goodell changed Martz’ statement.

    Complete reporting would have at least included a cursory search that would have revealed that the statement was out there for some time in the public and if Martz had disagreed with it he would have had ample time to ask for a correction.

    ESPN isn’t supposed to be trying to convince readers of anything in an investigative piece, they should be reporting what they found.

  67. First off Jay Glaser has a copy of one the tapes that the NFL played on a continuous loop at a press conference. Ask him, he finds it funny that any knowledge was gain by this. It was also reported that the leaked tape, yes shocking leaks from the league office, was a network that Goodell’s wife worked at.

    I have also heard folk lore that BB has more dirt on the NFL than anybody. Don’t know if that is true but after he retires could other teams and coaches come under fire? This does not seem like BB style so I would say no.

    It bothers me that any news outlet would report false information but most people only remember the first headline and not the second.

    Sorry Pat fans you can scream until your blue in the face the NFL won the PR war yesterday and outside of New England and a few intelligence people the Pats are hated. It’s sad for football. The amount of money the Pats, Cowboys, Packers, Saints, Giants, Raven, Steelers and the Colt make for the smaller market teams is absurd . These owners should keep in mind by slandering one of the own they are not just killing said team but eventually the cash from that market.

    While Florio has tried to right the wrong and actually write stories with facts and even wrote a large article he would not believe NFL offices anymore….he also allowed his other writers to continue to spin the false narrative of said league offices and ESPN. It’s all about page hits.

    I long for football to be about the game again and not the petty squabbles between owners, coaches, players and of course the commissioner.

    You can’t beat the media once they dig in. I think Goodell is a liar and he repeatedly speaks out both sides of his mouth. ESPN can never be believe and they have been doing this for years. I personally don’t watch them. Ex jock are not and will never be journalists.

  68. Look, this is very simple —

    The Patriots are a very good team that cheats. The two facts are not mutually exclusive, any more than the fact that Mark Furman was a dirty cop who tried to frame OJ Simpson, who had killed his ex wife by damn near decapitating her, then slashing her f.b. to death when he tried to help.

    Mark Furman framing OJ does not mean OJ was innocent any more than the Patriots being caught cheating NUMEROUS TIMES USING NUMEROUS METHODS OF DUPLICITY means they could not have won without the cheating.

  69. I have been wondering this since yesterday. If you have a price of paper that has the first twenty scripted plays and all of the sudden it’s gone and the other team miraculously seems to have seen that missing paper then why no investigation? If this was an ongoing problem then why would the league have never done anything to stop it? If the premise of the ESPN story is that deflate gate was a reaction to the punishment of spy gate, then why wait eight years to jump all over a mildly deflated ball when it should have been a whole lot easier to set up a sting catching the Pats stealing the paper. You put a camera on the paper. Mark the paper so you can easily identify it, leave the door u locked. drop some hints it’s there and wait for someone to take it. It’s not that the ESPN story isn’t interesting or compelling, it’s that it just doesn’t make sense a lot of the time.

  70. What baffles me to this day is this- all these years of”cheating”. Not one former player for the pats, assistant coach, opposing player will go on record and give cold hard facts and proof that the patriots cheated. Why hasn’t anyone gone on record? Only Mangini has after he warned bill not to film in 07. For years we have been hearing “ghost stories” the patriots are the are like old man Marley in home alone. The perceived bad guy but at the end he saves Kevin.

  71. No offense, but are you a moron?

    Martz clearly meant it was changed after he turned it in, and BEFORE IT WAS PUBLISHED!

  72. wfi801 says:
    Sep 9, 2015 1:08 AM
    Espn is losing credibility faster than Goodell. The Titanic took longer to sink.

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    You’d think but sadly there are millions who still take anything ESPN says as gospel. I havent watched in over 2 years but I know from being a fan that reads sites like this theyve out right lied and put false info out there a lot just within the last month. You’d think more would catch on but…

  73. And his methods: “My guy was up with my camera crew in the press box. So you’d just put an extra camera up with your camera crew in the press box who zoomed in on the signal callers. That’s the best way to do it, but anyway you can’t always do that because the press box camera crew might be on the same side as the opposing team. If they’re on the same side as the opposing team that’s when you need to do it from the sideline.”

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    “because the press box camera crew might be on the same side as the opposing team.”

    only 2 stadiums where that is/was the case: Lambeau and the old Giants Stadium(not sure about the new one)…the 2 places the Pats “got caught”. Little known fact :most of the tapes weren’t even illegal because they were filmed from the approved location. Again only 2 stadiums you really couldnt do it from the “legal “place. Goodell didnt really know about the specific rules ( much like nobody in the NFL seems to know 8 th grade science)

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