Report: Panthers were convinced Patriots taped Super Bowl practices

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Long before #DeflateGate ate an entire offseason, and long before ESPN’s Outside the Lines report on the depth of the alleged cheating by the Patriots during the Spygate era, former Panthers General Manager Marty Hurney accused the Patriots of creating a “culture of cheating.”

Reached this morning before he went on the air for his show on ESPN 730, Hurney said he didn’t have anything to add to his previous comments, which were strong enough on their own.

Today’s ESPN report mentions specifically the belief among the Panthers that their practices had been taped prior to Super Bowl XXXVIII, and that offensive coordinator Dan Henning changed their game-plan at halftime.

“Our players came in after that first half and said it was like [the Patriots] were in our huddle,” a Panthers source told ESPN. “Do I have any tape to prove they cheated?. No. But I’m convinced they did it.”

While some Patriots loyalists have taken shots at Hurney in the past, effectively claiming sour grapes, the body of today’s report echoes what he said prior to the Super Bowl.

His suggestion then was that the inflation of a particular football in last year’s AFC Championship Game was secondary to the pattern of behavior the Patriots are alleged to have exhibited. And that the failure for the league office to act thoroughly and decisively then made the current scandal a bigger one.

And today’s ESPN report digs into just that.

184 responses to “Report: Panthers were convinced Patriots taped Super Bowl practices

  1. THANK YOU NFL!!!!! I was kind of bummed that this was going to die down into a quiet end, but you used your broadcast team (ESPN) to stir it right back into a hornets nest. This is going to be an awesome year feeding on your tears.

  2. “Digs into” is very generous – more like unloads every piece of conjecture and half baked theory in the vault.

  3. “Do I have any tape to prove they cheated?. No. But I’m convinced they did it.”

    This is really the only important part of this article.

    Next!

  4. any team can make this claim vs the patriots without proof because patriots have beaten each and everyone of them except the giants.

  5. I’m sorry, but what relevance does this have to 2015? 2007 was 8 years ago, why is this being reported after the NFL lost in court?

    Oh yea, that’s right – ESPN is carrying the NFL’s water AGAIN. But it won’t stop the pitchfork-carrying masses to call the Pats cheaters again.

    This was over with and done, and the Pats have been appropriately punished for Spygate. You’d have to be a blind hater to not see what ESPN is doing here – smearing the Pats once more to make the NFL look justified in their actions.

    Or are you going to say that this is pure coincidence that OTL decided that the week after the NFL lost in humiliating fashion in court that they were going to release the Spygate info again. It’s crazy how much hate some people have…

  6. Just because haters repeat nonsense over and over again doesn’t make it true. It’s just noise coming from a network that smells as bad as Goodell now that Brady’s suspension has been nullified.

    ESPN and the NFL have two things in common – they both hate the Patriots, and will both stoop to any level to smear the team. Screw them both.

  7. He has no evidence but he is “convinced” that they did it? Yeah, ok, that’s enough to take more draft picks, etc….
    Give me a freaking break!

  8. Never a sore loser but watch the second half of the Pats-Eagles Superbowl, first half Philly was bringing it to them, second half it was like the Pats knew what was coming

  9. It is disappointing that some choose to believe in myths, conjecture and rumors rather than giving credit for the team’s successes to Coach Belichick, his staff and the players for their hard work, attention to detail, methodical weekly preparation, diligence and overall performance.

  10. geez, is everyone that’s butt hurt gonna come out of the blue and re-hash this again?

    SB38 was a back and forth affair – defensive struggle for 2 qtrs and shoot out of the other 2. Were the Panthers in the Patriots huddle shutting them down for half the game too? Excuses all the time from loser franchises – Colts, Ravens, now Panthers.

    ESPN and the NFL are sad, how convenient this smear come to light on old past transgressions.

    Deflategate and make up for Spygate? How is that not a sting and non-biased?

  11. ESPN and the NFL have two things in common – they both hate the Patriots, and will both stoop to any level to smear the team. Screw them both.
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    Odd thing to say considering that Robert Kraft and Goodell were well documented friends. Even vacationing together without other owners. So yeah….he clearly had a motive to try to screw over his buddy and his team.

  12. It’s almost as if the Patriots were the best prepared team in the NFL because they had the best coach in the NFL preparing them for what the other team’s tendencies were!

    Malcolm Butler said he knew what pass pattern the Seahawks were running on his interception…it couldn’t have been good preparation, they must have filmed that too!

  13. Yep, everyone who “LOST” to the Patriots got taped. Just ask them.

    Did they (Panthers) get in the Super Bowl the following year? I don’t think so. They shot their load and lost, it’s a simple as that.

  14. Didn’t realize Goodell and the perennial losing sect of the NFL cartel were so butt-hurt that they’d resort to tabloid fodder through their little proxy, ESPN.

  15. There’s also postgame audio during the time Charlie Weis was the offensive coordinator, of another team’s coach bringing up the uncanny knowledge of their defense. This was after a regular season game, and the implication was clear.

  16. Everyone outside of New England knows all about this franchise.

    Add it all up…it makes zero sense for trams to keep complaining about this, and it’s not sour grapes because other team’s don’t get talked about like this…nobody except the Pats.

  17. How about all of those Panthers players caught trying to buy steroids prior to the superbowl that nothing was dine about. No mention of that I bet.

  18. Teams are going to be out for the arrogant Patriots and their stuffed shirt smug quarterback. Mark my words.

  19. Why did they have to tape it? There was a whole season worth of game film to watch. It’s called doing your homework.

  20. If you talk to any Eagles players, they all 100% think the Patriots knew what plays they were calling – it was like they were in the huddle on certain plays.

  21. padronebradfather says:
    Sep 8, 2015 10:36 AM

    sorry Patriots fans. If the charges keep coming, perhaps there’s something to them. The way you react to these accusations manifests the guilt of your team.
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    How is the NFL using the media to win the PR a novel idea to you? The commissioner’s office is the one continuously throwing out these accusations without a shred of evidence. The commissioner’s office was the one fighting Brady in court. Can we stop pretending they’re unbiased? These are people just like you and me, and they just got obliterated it court last week. They’re mad, they’re looking to change the narrative. These allegations are meaningless because there is NOTHING to them, just hearsay from a bunch of “anonymous sources”.

  22. Ah, well, “Do I have any proof? No, but I’m sure it happened”

    And there you have it folks. 100% certainty by the losing team. It must be true!

    I guess that means the Giants cheated the Pats out of 2 more SBs. Afterall, at least in 1 seasons, the Pats rolled everybody but lost in the SB? No way that could have actually happened, so the Giants must have cheated.

    Do I have any proof? I don’t need any, I just KNOW!

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

  23. This is the same crap that the NFL fed ESPN earlier. The same as the “2 pounds under” or “destroyed the phone” mis-information. “at least 40 games over a period of several seasons from 2000 to 2007”… to the average person this seems damning, however filming was legal at this time, other teams admitted to doing it and the Pats themselves said they did it. This is out there to shape public opinion against the Patriots after Roger’s loss in court. Kraft needs to start suing.

  24. to moosey 7195, I’m a journalist myself. Yes, we are cynical and pessimistic by nature but the Patriots make it so easy to do so. Perhaps they should try to honor the rules.

  25. Maybe being a Giants fan makes it easier to see this unabashed smear campaign for what it is but I still find it hard to believe how many people are taken in by this crap. bspn and the league are beneath contempt at this point

  26. If this is true, then Goodell needs to be fired. He would have totally failed to do anything to protect the shield from rampant cheating. He would have (yet again) botched an investigation. The new commissioner would need to go through and do a thorough clampdown on such types of activities.

    That said, when teams win too much losing teams love to claim they must be cheating. None of them have video evidence of the Patriots filming anything. None of them have any evidence beyond conjecture.

    If there was tangible evidence (seeing someone where they should be, pictures, video tapes recovered, etc) of the Patriots doing this, I would be all for harsh punishment – even as a Patriots fan.

    This reeks of the NFL bringing up this as a secondary plan to remind everyone ‘how the Patriots cheat’ since they lost in court. Just like how they did before the deflategate cases went on. This just feels like phase 2. Why else would someone bring up spygate again in 2015? 8 years later.

    It reeks of contempt by the NFL for the NE franchise and their coach who has equal contempt for them.

  27. A CULTURE OF CHEATING.

    Keep in mind the Pats Little Napolean, Josh McDaniels, was fired as HC of the Broncos largely for cheating. Denver paid a $100k fine for his aggressions.

    Make no mistake, cheating is a very real and deep business commandment within the Patriots organization.

  28. And I’m convinced several offensive linemen on the Panthers at that point were prescribed “disturbing amounts of steroid.” Oh, and there actually is evidence for that one.

  29. Funny how it’s only the teams that perennially lose to the Patriots that accuse them of anything.

    You never hear the Giants accusing them of anything.

    It matters.

  30. And Peyton was convinced that Patriots had hidden taped recorders in the visitor’s locker room so he had the place swept for bugs. Guess what — found none.

    The hallmark of a loser is that he tries to blame the winner for his own limitations.

  31. This is what you get from teams before and after they get owned by the Pats. The reality is that their teams lost to a better coached team with complimentary personnel.

    Is this so hard to fathom … I guess so. ESPN’s reporting is anything other than factual … but this is as expected isn’t it.

    ESPN … Keep feeding the troll. Unfortunately, Coach Bill will have the team solely focused on the prize.

    Just Saying

  32. steelerfanjo says:
    Sep 8, 2015 10:43 AM
    Why are the Patriots allowed to continue to play in the NFL?
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    So they can kick the Steelers azzes again would be my guess!

  33. Find it funny Tom Brady a 6th rd pick no one outside of Michigan heard of now considered the greatest qb ever just happened to become a starter when the cheating allegations took place also why do patriot players not have the same success on other teams

  34. One would think if other teams were “generally aware” that the Patriots were stealing signals that other teams coaches would have been smart enough to change them when playing the Patriots.

    I guess BB is so far into these other coaches heads that they simply don’t even bother to prepare for their game vs. the Patriots.

  35. cross300 says:
    Sep 8, 2015 10:41 AM

    How about all of those Panthers players caught trying to buy steroids prior to the superbowl that nothing was dine about. No mention of that I bet.

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    The last team to complain about steroids should be the Panthers.

  36. The Patriots did know what plays were being called on certain plays. That’s why they were stealing signals, just like every other team was. That’s already determined. Why not change signals?

  37. NO proof. Is it a coincidence that Deflategate made a fool of Roger Goodell once again and now all of these old “reports” have been dredged up by ESPN? I don”t think so…

  38. No mention of the Patriots’ secret moonbase? I have no evidence of this but, many around the league believe Patriots are stealing signals from their space station on the dark side of the moon. Can’t believe the league has let them get away with this crap.

  39. Or are you going to say that this is pure coincidence that OTL decided that the week after the NFL lost in humiliating fashion in court that they were going to release the Spygate info again.
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    This is so very similar to what happened with the Saints/Bountygate… Goodell lost to the players in court (Tagliabue) and then not long after an ESPN Outside The Lines report surfaced about how our GM Loomis was listening in on the other teams communications SMH

  40. and yes, such behavior was legal until 2006, but the report says the filming continued into 2007 so once again Patriots want us all to treat them like gods. Well, I’m pissing on their altar right now.

  41. Pats fans here’s something to chew on. Packers, Steelers, 49ers, Cowboys and Pats have all won multiple Super Bowls but yet just one, and only one team continues to be caught up in cheating allegations. Why is that? Jealousy? If so why haven’t there been cheating allegations regarding the other teams? It is simple, because the Patriots have a systemic problem with cheating since Belichik was put in place. Kraft have some dignity and fire this lowlife.

  42. Do you think it’s an accident that ESPN released a report with 7 year old information after the NFL lost the case against Brady. Why not release this 5 years ago.

  43. This is just a continuation of every NFL dynasty since the 1970’s in my opinion.

    Even psued0-dynasties such as the 70’s Raiders, 80’s Giants, 90’s Broncos, had plenty of cheating accusations but are somehow still revered.

    And spying is not a new thing in the NFL. George Allen is well known for saying “If you’re not spying, you’re not trying.”

    Playbooks were stolen very often in the past as well and everyone knew it was going on. Not defending any of it, but this is just par for the course in professional football. You’d be fooling yourself if you thought otherwise.

  44. pgh7030 says:
    Sep 8, 2015 10:47 AM
    It has relevance to a history of cheating I’m willing to bet it doesn’t stop there

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    This is a 7 year old report basically. The NFL just spent 3 million investigation the Patriots and found nothing but those few texts. They are clean.

  45. Can we not do this?

    The Pats have cheated before. Don’t care anymore. Set better rules. Watch them carefully. I don’t want to talk about it.

    The games are back. Lets talk about them.

  46. Give me a break. The NFL head office, Goodell and ESPN all lost. And now we are going to be forced to listen to more crap from unamed sources from “no I don’t have evidence but I am convinced” from more conjecture. It’s disgusting.
    Time for Kraft and Brady to double down. Sue the crap out of that whole pack of liars. Because that is obviously the only way the truth comes out, it has to be court ordered.

  47. If I play chess against the current world champion Magnus Carlsen and feel my every move is well anticipated by Carlsen. That would only mean I am out-classed, not because the champion spies on me in advance.

  48. That Panthers team was the most roided in NFL history. I can’t post links here but a quick search will tell you all you need to know. They are all cheating, folks, stop acting surprised by it.

  49. alfredogarciashead says:
    Sep 8, 2015 10:52 AM
    Pats fans here’s something to chew on. Packers, Steelers, 49ers, Cowboys and Pats have all won multiple Super Bowls but yet just one, and only one team continues to be caught up in cheating allegations. Why is that? Jealousy? If so why haven’t there been cheating allegations regarding the other teams? It is simple, because the Patriots have a systemic problem with cheating since Belichik was put in place. Kraft have some dignity and fire this lowlife.

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    The answer is simple……because of the teams you mention, The Patriots are still on top. Nobody cares about the Cowboys, Steelers or 49ers because they stink.

  50. As an Eagles fan I was bummed when a steroid doctor got busted 2 years later and it turned out the entire Panthers offensive line + the kicker (I believe) was on steroids that year.

    Not defending the Patriots but the Panthers probably weren’t in the superbowl with the copious steroids.

  51. padronebradfather says:
    Sep 8, 2015 10:46 AM

    to moosey 7195, I’m a journalist myself. Yes, we are cynical and pessimistic by nature but the Patriots make it so easy to do so. Perhaps they should try to honor the rules.
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    Yes, God forbid we promote journalistic integrity or ethics in general. Let’s just pile on without a shred of evidence because the Patriots don’t play nice with the media. Nothing immoral about that… The ESPN article is borderline libel. It’s disgusting that people who are granted the ears of the public will drag a group of people’s names through the mud because some baseless accusations make it easy to do so.

  52. Legacies were changed by the deep seeded cheating this organization took part in.

    Bottom line.

    Smoke and mirrors.

    BB is not a genius, although I think he is a pretty good coach.

    Brady is not the GOAT (although he is pretty good as well).

    A lot harder to win when you don’t know what’s coming. NFL is a fine line between winning and losing. Many games come down to the 4th quarter, and any little edge can be the difference between winning and losing. Home field at Foxboro? Don’t stand a chance. Baltimore did it because they were head and shoulders better. Cheating isn’t enough in some cases, but good enough to win you four Superbowls.

    At least Eli wasn’t victimized!

  53. Is the NFL even interested in playing actual football games anymore or are they much more content playing 24/7 tabloid wars with the help of ESPN and NFLN? Al Davis would be sick if he saw the current state of this football league. Way past time for some new leadership at Park Ave.

  54. Now we know why the owners were pushing for such an outsized pound of flesh for something as trivial as slightly underinflated footballs.

  55. If ESPN has been “digging” into this, count me unimpressed.

    The story doesn’t even make sense. They claim they couldn’t move the ball in the first quarter – but then neither could the Pats. It was 0-0. Hey – maybe the Panther’s taped the Pats practice too!!!!

    Then they claim they changed the game plan and scored like crazy after half time. Except they were shutout in the third quarter. Hey – maybe the Pats taped out locker room conversations at half time!!!!!

    The only surprising thing about that game was how close it was and how much the weak Panther offence scored against one of the best defenses in the league that year. The paranoia is ludicrous.

  56. Gee, Patriots fans are sure thin-skinned today. Where’s that “they hate us because they ain’t us” crap? Now, it’s all about a witch hunt or something like that. If you guys were true champions, you wouldn’t care what anyone has to say but obviously you do. I’ve got my answer already.

  57. I remember that Super Bowl very well. The Panther offense did nothing for the first 25 minutes of the game, and Jake Delhomme started out 1-9 passing for 1 yard.

    In the second, Delhomme torched the Patriots secondary. It was like night and day.

    In other words, it makes sense that Patriots had an inside scoop….again.

    Where there’s smoke, there’s fire.

  58. moosey7195 says:
    Sep 8, 2015 11:08 AM
    padronebradfather says:
    Sep 8, 2015 10:46 AM

    to moosey 7195, I’m a journalist myself. Yes, we are cynical and pessimistic by nature but the Patriots make it so easy to do so. Perhaps they should try to honor the rules.
    ______________
    Yes, God forbid we promote journalistic integrity or ethics in general. Let’s just pile on without a shred of evidence because the Patriots don’t play nice with the media. Nothing immoral about that… The ESPN article is borderline libel. It’s disgusting that people who are granted the ears of the public will drag a group of people’s names through the mud because some baseless accusations make it easy to do so.

    —————–

    I would love to see Kraft finally have enough and sue the crap out of the NFL and ESPN. Enough is enough.

  59. “Yes, God forbid we promote journalistic integrity or ethics in general.”

    A Pats fan lecturing about integrity and ethics? That’s the funniest thing I’ve read all year!

  60. This smearing is getting ridiculous. The Patriots were just vastly more prepared, especially when taping was legal. Sorry if ole John Fox wasn’t prepared enough. Maybe it could be the fact your QB was Jake Delhomme, who quickly flamed out after his one important appearance. If they were really in your huddle, the result of the game wouldn’t have been one score. It would be a land slide like the Giants put on the Vikings in the early 2000s with a 40+ to 0 win.

  61. What the Panthers who had 3 players suspended for PEDs and many others investigated who were “more likely than not” using roads also ?

    Funny who a team wide roids scandal is disregarded as nothing but made up claims that the Pats “cheated” are taken as the gospel.

    SMH

  62. It’s only Pats fans who think they have a dynasty. Belicheat hires 3 men to come up with ways to cheat so they cheat 100 ways every week to beat the 2 win Jags and brag. The players don’t have a choice. They’re all tarnished. You guys keep forgetting what you’re not getting caught at. Belicheat needed to cheat because he had the worst QB and roster ever.

    I celebrate real successful franchises. Not fake ones. I don’t hate untarnished real winners.

    Packers 13
    Bears 9
    Giants 8
    Steelers 6
    Niners 5
    Cowboys 5
    There’s a bunch with 4, 3, 2, and 1 without cheating.

    **** puts the Pats at -4. That’s what the Pats fans call the greatest dynasty ever when every other NFL team has a classier tesm to root for. They won 0 without the greatest cheating coach in NFL history.

  63. alfredogarciashead says:
    Sep 8, 2015 10:52 AM
    Pats fans here’s something to chew on. Packers, Steelers, 49ers, Cowboys and Pats have all won multiple Super Bowls but yet just one, and only one team continues to be caught up in cheating allegations.

    That just isn’t true. The Steelers were widely known as vanguard steroid users. The Niners cheated the salary cap to keep extra good players (and, we now know, used stickum). And here is Jimmy Johnson of the Cowboys: Dallas Cowboys head coach Jimmy Johnson: “When I came into the NFL, back in ’89, I talked to a Kansas City scout and he said, ‘Here’s what we do, we videotape the opposing team’s signals and then we sync it up with the game film.’ So I did it.” Note that was before Belicheck was even a head coach.

    As for the deflation hilarity, Carr admitted the Texans did it, Blake says he had ball-boys do it on every team he ever played for (8), Rogers overinflates the balls. On and on.

  64. pgh7030 says:
    Sep 8, 2015 10:50 AM

    Find it funny Tom Brady a 6th rd pick no one outside of Michigan heard of now considered the greatest qb ever just happened to become a starter when the cheating allegations took place also why do patriot players not have the same success on other teams
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    Because the other teams suck.

    Any other easy questions?

  65. nightryder10 says:
    Sep 8, 2015 11:15 AM
    Now we know why the owners were pushing for such an outsized pound of flesh for something as trivial as slightly underinflated footballs.

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    Owners didn’t want the Patriots to win another Super Bowl. Too bad. They did. And the investigation turned up squat. I’m sure the owners thought they would find walk through footage or Belichick talking in email or text about signals. Nothing. Like Belichick said, they stopped doing that after they were punished 7 years ago.

  66. Same team that was caught red handed tampering with footballs during a game last season. And I don’t mean the Patriots.

  67. There’s no mystery here. You need go no further than last year’s Super Bowl to see the result of superior preparation , film study and practice. On the interception of the Seahawks, it was as if the Patriots players knew what the play was. And if you listened to the interviews after the game by Browner and Butler they said that they had seen this play before on tape had prepared for it and put themselves exactly into position to intercept. That’s not cheating, that’s superior coaching and that’s why the Patriots win.

  68. So aside from the outcome, couldn’t the Patriots assume the Panthers did the same thing?

    “Our players came in after that first half and said it was like [the Patriots] were in our huddle,” a Panthers source says. During halftime — New England led 14-10 — Carolina’s offensive coordinator, Dan Henning, changed game plans because of worries the Patriots had too close a read on Carolina’s schemes. And, in the second half, the Panthers moved the ball at will before losing 32-29 on a last-second field goal. “Do I have any tape to prove they cheated?” this source says. “No. But I’m convinced they did it.”

    Rewritten:

    “Our players came in after that first half and said it was like [the Panthers] were in our huddle,” a Patriots source says. During halftime New England’s offensive coordinator, Charlie Weis, changed game plans because of worries the Panthers had too close a read on Patriot’s schemes. And, in the second half, the Patriots moved the ball at will winning 32-29 on a last-second field goal. “Do I have any tape to prove they cheated?” this source says. “No. But I’m convinced they did it and we still won.”

    It’s like they forgot that entire game. Neither team pcould move the ball in the 1st and 3rd quarters. Then offenses scored in the 2nd and 4th. Carolina opened the 3rd Quartere with two drives that went a combined 22 yards in 8 plays. That’s moving the ball at will after halftime?

  69. Incredible to me that they dredge this up 8 years later because Goodells most recent push was “deflated”. This is an embarrassment to the league and to the public 2 days before the season opens.

    ESPN is a joke and should be ashamed.

  70. motsuret06 says:
    Sep 8, 2015 10:42 AM

    Teams are going to be out for the arrogant Patriots and their stuffed shirt smug quarterback. Mark my words.
    __
    You know that high school team that sent it’s CB and safety to plow into the official because 2 of its own players had gotten ejected? It won’t be that obvious, but it’ll be something along those lines.

  71. This has gone on way too long. Everyone just stop! You got beat far and square.

    Report: New England Coach BB forced Pete Carroll to remove his brain with roughly 30 seconds left in SB49 say a league source. The was the essence of the Patriots winning SB49.

    “I have no proof but I am sure the brain removal took place.” Unnamed NFL owner. “It is not possible for a team to win without cheating, not possible.”

    The Patriots couldn’t be reached for comment. They are busy preparing for their 5th Lombardi Trophy.

  72. diehardgiantsfan says:
    Sep 8, 2015 11:22 AM
    It’s only Pats fans who think they have a dynasty. Belicheat hires 3 men to come up with ways to cheat so they cheat 100 ways every week to beat the 2 win Jags and brag. The players don’t have a choice. They’re all tarnished. You guys keep forgetting what you’re not getting caught at. Belicheat needed to cheat because he had the worst QB and roster ever.

    I celebrate real successful franchises. Not fake ones. I don’t hate untarnished real winners.

    Packers 13
    Bears 9
    Giants 8
    Steelers 6
    Niners 5
    Cowboys 5
    There’s a bunch with 4, 3, 2, and 1 without cheating.

    **** puts the Pats at -4. That’s what the Pats fans call the greatest dynasty ever when every other NFL team has a classier tesm to root for. They won 0 without the greatest cheating coach in NFL history.

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    Taking steroids is cheating. using Stickem is cheating. Tampering is cheating. Abusing the salary cap is cheating. Stealing signals is cheating. All things the teams on our list have been caught doing or admitted to. So I guess what you are saying is the Patriots cheat better then those teams?

  73. Where there’s smoke there’s fire. Now there are multiple independent smoke piles.

    Everyone knows from a very young age that stealing is wrong.

  74. Belichick is a cheater whether NE dweebs want to acknowledge it or not. He’s proven to be a rule-breaker and a rule-bender–that crap the Pats pulled against the Ravens was pathetic, but that’s how they roll.

  75. fwippel says:
    Sep 8, 2015 11:18 AM
    I remember that Super Bowl very well. The Panther offense did nothing for the first 25 minutes of the game, and Jake Delhomme started out 1-9 passing for 1 yard.

    In the second, Delhomme torched the Patriots secondary. It was like night and day.

    In other words, it makes sense that Patriots had an inside scoop….again.

    Where there’s smoke, there’s fire.

    FWIPPLE; You remember wrong. The Panthers had 2 scoring drives in the second quarter (including one of 95 yards). In the third quarter, after they supposedly negated the Pats cheating by changing their play calling, the gained only 22 yards. Both teams were awful in the first quarter and exploded in the fourth. There is no smoke at all.

  76. I didnt hate the Pats yesterday, now after reading this report I do.

    What a bunch of cheaters they are and Belichick is just full of crap.

  77. Owners don’t like Belichick because he’s not “one of them”. He’s not a good ol’ boy or a child of privilege. He’s a military brat. He believes in knowing what the rules are and exploiting them to his team’s advantage. And no, there wasn’t any rule against “taping signals” and there still isn’t! Nor should there be – coaches are in public trying to communicate secret information to players. There’s no real way to presume a right to privacy there.

    And ESPN publishes all sorts of other unsubstantiated rumors and anonymous complaints. It’s just crap. A bunch of jealous owners who hire clowns like Ryan Grigson wonder why their teams cannot win.

    The NFL should stop going after the Patriots. But it seems like there are haters at the league office who just cannot stop. The owners need to root them out. This ongoing smear campaign is making them look ridiculous.

    And ESPN is quickly losing its position as the go-to source for sports news. Nothing they say about the NFL can be taken at face value any longer. They’ve shown they are willing to carry water for the NFL time and time again.

  78. I feel for Patriots fans. This is the team they love and support. None of us want to think our owner or coach would stoop to cheating; we all like to think our teams are held to higher standards. But the reality is if any of this is true it could happen anywhere, and to any fanbase. For the sake of the Average Joe that buys merchandise, goes to games or watches on TV, I really hope this is all smoke and no fire.

  79. So let’s hear it haters, how did they cheat to beat the Seahawks. What BS story should we cook up now. Funny how no one ever accuses them of cheating in the Super Bowls they lost. They Giants completely shut down the greatest offence in history in 07. Smoke! Fire!
    Perhaps they taped up, or bugged us, or something . . . .

  80. vancouversportsbro says:
    Sep 8, 2015 11:39 AM

    I guess I’m not the only one who thought they cheated against Seattle.

    A no name cornerback picking off Lockette like that? Great play my behind.
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    Be a man, and accept that Seattle lost the Super Bowl because of their own inept play call.

  81. I can only imagine what the haters will say if the Pats win the Super Bowl again. Good Lord,give it a rest. The same things repeated over and over . Time to move on to playing football instead of recycling old news. Brady’suspension has been overturned. Move on already…

  82. The Panther were all hopped up on steroids but lets just forget about that. Where is Jake these days??? Where was Jake the years before that??? Oh I see he was only good one year. Hum?

  83. Vancouversportsbro,are you serious? How exactly did the Patriots cheat in the SB on that last play? Seattle called one of the worst plays in SB history when all they had to do was hand it off to Lynch to bust it in. How does the playcalling stupidity amount to the Patriots cheating?

  84. Let it all out boys…the truth shall set you free. Especially if you are *Emperor Kraft, *Darth Checky and *Tom Shadywalker – *tainted forever and ever.

  85. I love the nefarious accusation of a locked room that only Belicheck and some others (i.e. the coaching staff or video employees, which exist for every team) have access to. So what? Detailed notes? Yeah, they like study and stuff with hand written diagrams of plays and calls.

    That is called being a stickler for detail and being better prepared then the next team. Is this cheating? No, not at all. In fact, what the hell right does Goodell have to come into the facility and destroy it all? Because the Pats had film on tons of teams and coaches? So? All I know is they had 1/4 of one game where someone filmed from the wrong location. This whole thing is crap.

    And they would send employees in to steal other teams plays? Why would they do that if they already had all this other information. This whole thing is so petty and infantile, I can’t believe they would publish such trash.

    It does got to show the level of intellect you are dealing with in the NFL front office that they would direct executives to stomp on video tapes. What? Again, petty and infantile.

  86. bullcharger says:
    Sep 8, 2015 11:36 AM
    diehardgiantsfan says:
    Sep 8, 2015 11:22 AM
    It’s only Pats fans who think they have a dynasty. Belicheat hires 3 men to come up with ways to cheat so they cheat 100 ways every week to beat the 2 win Jags and brag. The players don’t have a choice. They’re all tarnished. You guys keep forgetting what you’re not getting caught at. Belicheat needed to cheat because he had the worst QB and roster ever.

    I celebrate real successful franchises. Not fake ones. I don’t hate untarnished real winners.

    Packers 13
    Bears 9
    Giants 8
    Steelers 6
    Niners 5
    Cowboys 5
    There’s a bunch with 4, 3, 2, and 1 without cheating.

    **** puts the Pats at -4. That’s what the Pats fans call the greatest dynasty ever when every other NFL team has a classier tesm to root for. They won 0 without the greatest cheating coach in NFL history.

    ——-

    Taking steroids is cheating. using Stickem is cheating. Tampering is cheating. Abusing the salary cap is cheating. Stealing signals is cheating. All things the teams on our list have been caught doing or admitted to. So I guess what you are saying is the Patriots cheat better then those teams?

    ————————————————–

    Exactly. There’s a difference between getting caught breaking a rule every few years, getting caught, and paying the price vs. a coach hiring 3 people and using all of that information 100 ways every Sunday to beat the garbage teams in the AFC for 15 years and call it a dynasty. That’s why when Kraft asked Belicheat how much did you gain from SpyGate? 1% was Belicheat’s answer. Belicheat has a list of his 100 ways to cheat each game and how much they contribute. All cheaters should be banished for life according to me. It doesn’t matter what team or sport they’re playing… Only Pats fans love cheating. I know who you were targeting, but I don’t hear other teams defending cheating on their own team except PEDs unlike MLB. If I was an owner, GM, or coach then I’d give them all lifetime bans so they don’t do it again and discourage it going forward. The crappy union will fight back.

  87. Great defenses stuff a good offense

    Did the Seahawks cheat in 13 vs the Broncos?
    Did they Bears cheat in 86 vs the patriots?

    How bout the great steelers and Ravens defenses?

    Did all these guys know the play before the snap ?

  88. They’re serial cheaters and everyone knows it. They gained a competitive edge for years during that time. Should be real asterisks in all there sbs during that era. End of story!

  89. Somebody with actual sway reach out and smash the Pats, owner, lets remember this is big business in the b-b-b-billions. Anyone who conspires in this way shouldn’t just be barred from ever stepping near the game, they belong in an orange jumpsuit for white collar crime!

  90. Because there are a wider variety of excuses, doesn’t necessarily mean they haven’t been repeated ad nauseum. Who knew the Department of Redundancy Department was headquartered in Foxborough, MA.?

  91. NEWS FLASH,
    Patriots running back Jim Nance drank WAYYY too much coffee the day he set the team rushing record. Also, Babe Parilli wore an illegal shoe!

  92. padronebradfather says:
    Sep 8, 2015 10:36 AM
    sorry Patriots fans. If the charges keep coming, perhaps there’s something to them. The way you react to these accusations manifests the guilt of your team.

    ——
    Of all of the nonsense spewed on these I love these the best. Self confirming statements that indicate if you don’t agree with an accusation it’s proof you’re guilty.

    Classic. This sounds a lot like the new rules from Woody Allen’s “Bananas”

    So from now on all patriots must wear their underwear on the outside.

  93. nfl1818 says:
    Sep 8, 2015 12:29 PM
    Great defenses stuff a good offense

    Did the Seahawks cheat in 13 vs the Broncos? YES
    Did they Bears cheat in 86 vs the patriots? YES Of Course!

    How bout the great steelers and Ravens defenses? Cheating drug abusing cheaters, YES

    Did all these guys know the play before the snap ? YUP, any more questions?

  94. bullcharger says:
    Sep 8, 2015 11:36 AM
    diehardgiantsfan says:
    Sep 8, 2015 11:22 AM
    It’s only Pats fans who think they have a dynasty. Belicheat hires 3 men to come up with ways to cheat so they cheat 100 ways every week to beat the 2 win Jags and brag. The players don’t have a choice. They’re all tarnished. You guys keep forgetting what you’re not getting caught at. Belicheat needed to cheat because he had the worst QB and roster ever.

    I celebrate real successful franchises. Not fake ones. I don’t hate untarnished real winners.

    Packers 13
    Bears 9
    Giants 8
    Steelers 6
    Niners 5
    Cowboys 5
    There’s a bunch with 4, 3, 2, and 1 without cheating.

    **** puts the Pats at -4. That’s what the Pats fans call the greatest dynasty ever when every other NFL team has a classier tesm to root for. They won 0 without the greatest cheating coach in NFL history.

    ——-

    Taking steroids is cheating. using Stickem is cheating. Tampering is cheating. Abusing the salary cap is cheating. Stealing signals is cheating. All things the teams on our list have been caught doing or admitted to. So I guess what you are saying is the Patriots cheat better then those teams?

    4 2
    _________________________________
    The only rule the Steelers broke in the 70s was practicing when they shouldn’t have been. Should we go back and review every play from back then and fine those guys for roughing the passer. I mean it’s illegal now so why not. That is the exact same thing you are saying about the Steelers.

  95. alfredogarciashead says:
    Sep 8, 2015 10:52 AM
    Pats fans here’s something to chew on. Packers, Steelers, 49ers, Cowboys and Pats have all won multiple Super Bowls but yet just one, and only one team continues to be caught up in cheating allegations. Why is that? Jealousy? If so why haven’t there been cheating allegations regarding the other teams? It is simple, because the Patriots have a systemic problem with cheating since Belichik was put in place. Kraft have some dignity and fire this lowlife.
    ————————————————————-
    Maybe you’re too young to remember, or due to lack of internet and other trash such as twitter that gives every moron a soap box:

    Cowboys were constantly accused by media and fan bases in the early to mid 90s cooking the books to keep their team in tact with new free agency rules.

    49ers when they were winning were always accused of cutting corners, developing plays that pushed the rules (Walsh’s Niners anyway), Steelers seriously, please they’ve had nothing but Steroid rumor since the 70s and they had a physician during their last run on staff that was caught being less than above board with Steroids, but we forget this as well, well because they just haven’t been consistently winning. And of all of these accusations, nothing has been founded. Teams that are accusing are those that have consistently lost to the Pats or have lost big games to them…funny, The G Men having expressed any paranoia either, wonder why? Sure they bend rules, it’s a billion dollar game…which is why every team is looking for an edge. What’s funny is the timing of these articles and something for you fans that can’t just accept that they just win, something to sleep better on.

    When did the average NFL fan turn into such a pansy?

    Sound like school kids at recess whining about cheating and not being fair, etc.

  96. I didn’t realize that America has become such a mean and low country! jealousy, viper and mean. You are not talking about sports, you are disgracing yourself by defaming a great team.

  97. Bottom line when the Patriots are mentioned years from now the first thought will be did they cheat. The damage is done. If none of this is true they should sue the NFL to restore their good name.

  98. My eagles lost a superbowl to the pats. Yet because I am not a sad sack lose I will not blame cheating at all… the pats were a better team with better coaches … if Andy Reid ran the ball once or twice the birds might have won the game….. as far as the Panthers go, they put up a ton of points and moved the ball pretty well in that game … if the pats cheated and “knew all the plays before they ran them” they sure did a crappy job

  99. “Do I have any tape to prove they cheated?. No. But I’m convinced they did it.” – Marty Hurney

    This is the credo of every single human being who doesn’t like the New England Patriots, or their success.

  100. eagleswin says:
    Sep 8, 2015 11:07 AM
    As an Eagles fan I was bummed when a steroid doctor got busted 2 years later and it turned out the entire Panthers offensive line + the kicker (I believe) was on steroids that year.

    Not defending the Patriots but the Panthers probably weren’t in the superbowl with the copious steroids.
    _____
    Well, it wasn’t the entire line, it was 2, maybe 3 of them, and not all of them starters. And it was the punter. Not sure why he was never busted, because you only needed to listen to 30 seconds of any Todd Saurbrun interview to know he lived in a constant stage of roid rage. As for the NFC title game, it was the Panthers D that beat the Eagles. Neither offense was very good that night. But it’s a fair question to ask.

  101. Anyone can accuse another…….

    Anyone can claim falsehoods about a team or player….

    Anyone can claim ‘someone in the know told me”…

    Anyone can say that someone cheated…

    All unnamed sources speak in truth knowing they won’t be ousted for what they say or said…

    Now instead of listening to anyone…Just show me the proof………and I will believe.

  102. I always knew the Pats video taped the raider practices before snow bowl game in 01. LOL!

  103. This team is like a recurring cancer. If only it could be cut off from this league for the sake of the game. You’ld think they would learn their lesson after they got caught the last time, but no. You have to feel sorry for their fans who don’t know if anything they won is legit or not.

  104. pgh7030 says:
    Sep 8, 2015 11:02 AM

    Funny how they went from a joke to the greatest team ever
    —-
    Happens all the time…happened in Pittsburgh back in the early 70s as a matter of fact. Same situation, too: new coach, hot young QB, and a rising defense. Packers sucked before Farve showed up, Dallas was a wasteland before Jimmy Johnson and Aikman. The 49ers were pretty bad before Walsh and Montana took over, too. I guess they all cheated, too.

  105. vancouversportsbro says:
    Sep 8, 2015 11:39 AM

    I guess I’m not the only one who thought they cheated against Seattle.

    A no name cornerback picking off Lockette like that? Great play my behind.

    ————–

    Come on… Lockette is a no name.

    On that play Seattle didn’t execute. Couldn’t get past Browner to set the semi-legal pick. Russell Wilson also had a chance to throw it away when he saw the pick didn’t happen, but he threw it anyway. Lockette could have made the catch anyway, but he didn’t.

    They blew it.

    It should have been easy.

    Not to mention Butler actually had to catch the ball or Seattle likely still wins. Did you check his gloves for stickem?

    Not sure if you heard this before, but of course Seattle also could have run the ball from the 1.

  106. So let me get this straight. NE and future HOFer Tom Brady narrowly avoid defeat against……wait for it…….the Jake DelHomme-led Carolina Panthers?

    And people want to accuse NE of cheating?

  107. Goodell is a lying henchman for owners that are consumed with making billions of dollars above all else. Money is primary to them. Fair play is secondary.

    AND

    The Patriots are lying cheaters.

  108. waxthat says:
    Sep 8, 2015 2:28 PM

    When it smells like smoke, there is a fire. Panthers got jobbed.

    Loved Delhomme and Steve Smith that year.

    ————–

    The NFC absolutely sucked then. Carolina were lucky they didn’t get beat by 20.

  109. “khalilmackattack says:
    Sep 8, 2015 1:39 PM

    I always knew the Pats video taped the raider practices before snow bowl game in 01. LOL!”

    You “knew” that, eh?

    All the petty pretenders have to make excuses for why they lost to the Patriots. You would hope that people could act like adults and just say they got beat. But no, there always has to be some kind of secret cheating scheme.

    The people currently running the NFL are vile. They just got their butts whipped in court for flouting the law and here they are again, on the offensive, gunning for the Patriots. Why are they doing this? They seem to want to the NFL like the WWE, with the Patriots cast as the “villain”? It’s repulsive.

    The Panthers were a 1-year fluke. They lost the Super Bowl to a team playing better football.

  110. waxthat:

    yup. if people think something is true then IT IS!

    wow – this is a great advance for human civilization.

    I think there is world peace.

    I think the Chinese are not communists.

    I think people are not starving of hunger anywhere.

    I think the Iranians are peace lovers who would never commit terrorist acts….

    I could go on and on.

    If enough people join me in my thinking, it will all be true.

  111. Maybe you’re too young to remember, or due to lack of internet and other trash such as twitter that gives every moron a soap box:

    Cowboys were constantly accused by media and fan bases in the early to mid 90s cooking the books to keep their team in tact with new free agency rules.

    49ers when they were winning were always accused of cutting corners, developing plays that pushed the rules (Walsh’s Niners anyway), Steelers seriously, please they’ve had nothing but Steroid rumor since the 70s and they had a physician during their last run on staff that was caught being less than above board with Steroids, but we forget this as well, well because they just haven’t been consistently winning. And of all of these accusations, nothing has been founded. Teams that are accusing are those that have consistently lost to the Pats or have lost big games to them…funny, The G Men having expressed any paranoia either, wonder why? Sure they bend rules, it’s a billion dollar game…which is why every team is looking for an edge. What’s funny is the timing of these articles and something for you fans that can’t just accept that they just win, something to sleep better on.

    When did the average NFL fan turn into such a pansy?

    Sound like school kids at recess whining about cheating and not being fair, etc.

    3 2
    The only difference is that the Steelers broke zero rules by using steroids in the 70s. The government went through all of Rydze records and found zero ties to any Steeler players. Every team had people using roids in the 70s. They have also been linked all the way back to the 50s in the NFL. In fact they were abused the most in the 80s causing the NFL to finally ban them in the late 80s. Saying the Steelers cheated in the 70s because they used something that is illegal in todays game is like saying we should go back and fine all the players that roughed the passer before it was a rule or hit a defenseless WR before it was a rule.

  112. suebaby56 says:
    Sep 8, 2015 1:06 PM

    Bottom line when the Patriots are mentioned years from now the first thought will be did they cheat. The damage is done. If none of this is true they should sue the NFL to restore their good name.

    That’s effectively impossible to do. The only thing Goodell does well is lie to the media. These stories are constructed in a way that no particular individual could be held liable. All the sources are anonymous. And everything is “I believe”, “I suspect”, etc. If you cut through the smoke, there’s an amazing lack of actual news in these stories. Why are they being published? Because Roger Goodell wants them to be published. His job is in trouble, so he needs to, once again, create a distraction.

  113. Run the same plays all season long with success, bring them to the Superbowl, then watch BB shut them down, it’s not rocket science. The Jets did it to the Colts way back when and won their only superbowl.

    If a team takes their best plays out of their playbook when they play the Pats, they won’t have success because they will not be running familiar plays. Run the same plays, and they will game plan for it.

    It is not rocket science, it’s preparation, and it’s the difference between consistently winning, and having only 25%-40% of your seasons winning seasons.

  114. A rational response to Hurney’s allegation would be along the lines of “Why do you think somebody taped your practice? Where were the practices? Was there somebody there that you didn’t know running a camera? Do you usually let unknown cameramen videotape your practices?”

    All of these “taping practices” allegations fall apart with a minimum of scrutiny. It’s just so easy to pretend that the only way your team could have lost is if the other team cheated. So…the Patriots had a good feel for the sequence of plays being called? Sounds like an offense had become predictable. But no, it’s the Patriots, so mustbecheating.

    Sigh.

  115. Why do the Ravens have so many successful proteges now with other teams? Kubiak, Marvin Lewis, Rex Ryan, Chuck Pagano, Jack Del Rio, Hue Jackson, Mike Smith, Jim Caldwell?

    However, Bellichek the genius has who for a protege???

    Answer: Because cheating doesn’t have the same trickle down effect.

  116. I have zero evidence but we lost and out posteriors are still very very sore so I’m convinced they cheated because there’s no way the consistently best team of the 21st century could have simply beaten us on the field.

  117. It’s all very surreal you can’t make this stuff up….no evidence just rumor and innuendo…Pats have been targeted for awhile and they get off because 99% of the charges are erroneous. They did admit to filming in the wrong place…that is it. Deflategate was a mirage and a red herring….Spygate was a warning to all teams in the league as videotaping was getting out of hand. I wish people including ESPN would do their research before making false accusations and claims. If their is anything to learn from this mess, the league and ESPN are unprofessional and prone to hyperbole and false claims… NOW just play ball and may the better team win.

  118. Do I have any tape to prove it? No

    Do you have any evidence that Brady asked the ball boys to stick a needle in the balls? No such direct evidence.

    The Patriots bug their locker room. Conducted a bug sweep. Found no bugs.

    Is there an advantage in taping other teams signal? No advantage in doing it said the other coaches who do the same. It is legal to tape signals unless you use it during the game. The patriots violated the camera location.

    There’s one proven violation against the Patriots. The rest is Patriots Paranoia.

    How’s your team cheating? Tampering, PEDS, pumping noise, coach trying to trip players, stickum, uniform spraying, deflating footballs, inflating footballs, warming balls, taping the Pats, etc.

    Darn! The Patriots are almost immaculate compared to your teams.

    And oh… The Butler move is an immaculate interception. No ” cheating” involved. Just good old preparation.

  119. Haha the Pats fans making excuses are hilarious. Own it! #tarnished. And yes the Broncos got into trouble with the cap the year after the league went to a new hard cap system.

  120. I read through the ESPN report and there is nothing new there about the Pats.

    They taped defensive signals from where they shouldn’t, they used the information in games, taping began as early as 2000, etc…

    The rest was a bunch of mostly anonymous folks who have inklings and information that looks like the NFL and Goodell tried to cover up something.

    So, yeah, the Pats were bad. They took ownership in 2007.

    Goodell has been a liar since he started when I thought he started lying in 2010 or so.

  121. The Pats punted like 4-5 times in the first half with a bunch of 3 and outs. It is clear the Panthers cheated but only in the first half. The proof is that they even blocked a FG. That just doesn’t happen in the SB. They must have known the Pats FG schemes and set up a special formation to block it. Honestly, how did the Panthers know the Pats were going to try for a FG?

  122. Hurney – and the rest of them, think the guy ahead of them is following them – the long way around.

    I’ve said this before – every team has its tricks. If you think YOUR team has never every done anything that would raise an eyebrow if caught, you’re in a coma.

  123. I will say this is each and every post about this nonsense.

    Anyone who believes this ESPN report is a complete moron. I am a Dolphins fan and hate the Patriots, but i’m also not stupid.

  124. Belicheat turned in by assistant coach…

    Patriots are known cheaters (excluding deflate gate)

    Brady and his phone…for real? I mean really? Really?

    Yeah Boston fans are pats proud, I get it…

    But no matter what you say, do or want to be the truth, except for ne fan base all other nfl fans with a dog in the fight (being totally honest)
    Feel their teams were ripped after it came to light that not only were the signals/plays being stolen and to prove it just read the facts.

    Filming lackey was caught in the act

    He had a pats logo (logo taped over) on his shirt

    He had an NFL films vest on to blend in

    When caught he indicated he was a member of Kraft
    Productions (I mean duh)

    He asked for water as he sweated like a pig

    When given water…he was shaking so badly that he dropped the water
    in the floor after less than a sip

    The NFL found the tapes included signals being “stolen” and the rest is history.

    ne fans will never understand what it means to have INSTITUTIONAL
    Cheating (versus a few guys doing roids) hurt their team in a Super Bowl because you had cheating going on throughout the entire coaching staff….ask Dan Henning why he changed the game plan at halftime after realizing the pats knew ever play being run, even calling them out loudly, pre snap….

    Quit your whining and forget about that mental asterisk that will be beside any win that weirdo with a hoodie will ever bring you. Good riddance when that smarmy jerk is gone.

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