Report: Patriots’ Spygate cheating was widespread over many years

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Just days after Tom Brady’s Deflategate suspension was overturned, new attention is being given on the earlier Patriots cheating scandal, known as Spygate.

An ESPN Outside the Lines report, citing interviews with more than 90 sources around the NFL, says that the Spygate cheating lasted “at least 40 games over a period of several seasons from 2000 to 2007,” and that the league never fully investigated all the accusations against the team.

According to the report, the taping of opponents’ signals reached the point where the Patriots had diagrams of the stolen signals that they could use during games.

The report also says that other teams were much more upset about the Patriots’ cheating than they let on, because NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell convinced the rest of the league not to press the issue. Former Rams coach Mike Martz, whose team lost to the Patriots in Belichick’s first Super Bowl, said he was pressured by a “panicked” Goodell to issue a statement saying he was satisfied by the league’s investigation of the Patriots. Martz said he agreed to go along with Goodell’s request to issue a statement backing the league not because he was completely satisfied by the investigation, but because Goodell convinced Martz that a prolonged scandal could badly damage the league.

Anyone who thought the Deflategate ruling was going to end any talk of the Patriots cheating is sorely mistaken. Both Deflategate and Spygate are stories that will have legs.

316 responses to “Report: Patriots’ Spygate cheating was widespread over many years

  1. Brady gets off on a bogus investigation (whether or not he knew, you can’t agree that the investigation proved anything), so now someone has to leak more info to smear the Pats. They may have been cheaters, and may still be cheaters, but what they did in 2007 means nothing now.

  2. I believe that rule wasn’t put in place until the year they got hacked for it. Am I wrong on this. The punishment was for where they were taping from not that they were doing it.

  3. …And the NFL strikes back. I was expecting there to be a story that included a photo of Tom or Bill in panties or something. This makes a lot more sense.

    This crossfire is getting boring.

  4. That’s why Goodell is going after them for DeflateGate because he gave them a slap on the wrist for cheating the first time.

    Can’t wait to read these losers comments defending this

  5. wow. football fans all know that signal stealing was widespread for decades. football fans all know that it was about where they placed the camera that was the issue. football fans all know that in a stadium with 70,000 people they simply could have put the camera anywhere but the sideline and been in compliance with league rules. please, do us all a favor and talk about something that matters and not a non-story from 8 years ago.

  6. Since the Judge clearly stated in his ruling in the Deflatgate issue that he was not ruling on Brady’s guilt or innocence, this article then seems to shows a pattern of Cheating, and league cover up of said Cheating, for the last Fifteen seasons…..

  7. **** “Get your popcorn ready, off to court we go, can’t wait to win 19 games, free our QB, We’ve never cheated, you just are hating on us”.

    Yep, we’ve heard all the excuses…….

  8. Yawn. Sounds to me like this was a leak from the NFL. Couldn’t beat Brady in court so the public slandering of the Patriots must continue in any way possible. What a clown show

  9. I don’t understand this “story” at all. To this day it’s still not illegal to record the opponents signals, as long as it’s done from the correct location….

    So many people with axes to grind, I think Mark Cuban was right, the NFL is on a spiral down…

  10. The Pats organization are a bunch of cheaters, there is no question about it. In the Spygate case Goodell covered up for them, but now we know the truth.

    Bill Belichick should be banned a year if this report is confirmed.

  11. Report, stealing signals by all 32 teams was widespread over many years. As usual, BB was just better at it.

  12. More food fed to to ESPN from the NFL… What a joke. Funny how this comes out after the Brady witch hunt gets overturned. All of this is hear say, no facts, no evidence. Time for Kraft to sue ESPN. Do it right now. This is a swear campaign.

  13. ybthatway says:
    Sep 8, 2015 9:19 AM

    So what do you have to say about this Pats’ fans?
    ————————————————————–
    Was it then or is it now illegal to steal signals?

    Why do coaches cover their lips with a clip board when talking to their players on the sideline?

  14. Let’s see some proof on this one. I can’t believe any of this.

    This is all about Spygate and videotaping was okay up until the year they stopped it.

  15. There’s no new info there.

    Taping signals was legal through 2006.

    No evidence, lots of “we lost so they must’ve cheated” comments (looking at you Steelers).

    No surprise that the NFL uses its chosen lapdog to release a hack attack on the Pats after they got their faces kicked in with Deflategate.

    This league is a disgrace.

  16. That’s how it works in the US. If you do something small, cheat on your taxes or smoke Marijuana they throw the book at you.

    However, if you do something big like crash the US economy or systematically cheat the entire league for years they look for a way to make it go away because it makes the people at the top look bad.

  17. The NFL is gettting REALLY desparate.

    This also ignores that mulitple coaches, like Bill Cowher of Pittsburgh, that said they did it as well. This is some BS to make it look like only the Pats ever taped signals, which is a complete lie.

  18. The NFL and ESPN. These people are worse than the Soviet Union and the KGB at their worst.
    So even though taping of signals was LEGAL before spygate and lots of teams did it, and the only thing that changed was the location, we now have this nonsense 8 years later and we are supposed to believe that the NFL nitwits who can’t prevent leaks for 5 minutes were able somehow to keep the lid on this with others helping them for that long. What BS!

  19. IT WASN’T CHEATING (until 06 or 07)! Taping opposing coaches signals has not and is not against the rules… you simply can’t do it from the sidelines.

  20. There was no rule against this, not even vaguely, until AFTER spygate. This would be like reporting that there was heavy whiskey consumption for the 10 years before prohibition began. It wasn’t illegal.

  21. Obviously cheated against the Rams. It was only a matter of time before more of the Spygate details would be revealed. Roger may have destroyed the evidence but you still have all of those people who knew this or that to contain. Belichik is a cheater, Brady is a cheater. The legacy is permanently tarnished and they will be remembered as cheaters by an overwhelming majority of fans. Hey Pats fans, just when you get one leak plugged another one pops up.

  22. he report also says that other teams were much more upset about the Patriots’ cheating than they let on, because NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell convinced the rest of the league not to press the issue.
    ====

    What did I tell you.

    I said they’ve been cheating for years and that the NFL tried to downplay it all and get them to stop without a full blown investigation.

    I told you Kraft and Goodell were burying the real dirt.

    I told you that last season the Pats did stop cheating for a couple games only to start again when they didn’t like the results.

    I told you that even then the league knew.

    And I told you it was only when Brady said “learn the rules” that the other owners said enough and pushed it.

    Goodell made a mistake by making it about the Baltimore game instead of the true systemic cheating it was and is.

  23. At this point it’s hard to get upset at the players/coaches/teams for anything when you have the most incompetent man on the planet running (read: ruining) this league at a cool $44,000,000 a year.

  24. Videotaping signals wasn’t illegal until after 2006 when they changed the location of where you could tape from, which is what the Patriots got popped for after the first game in 2007 against the Jets. Sadly the Patriots hate parade won’t listen to these facts…

  25. they cheated during the SB’s

    main points:
    – During Spygate investigation, Roger Goodell ordered NFL execs to stomp 8 videotapes to pieces.
    – From 2000-07, the Patriots recorded opposing coaches’ signals for at least 40 games.
    – During Pats early SB runs, a low-level Patriots employee would sneak into visiting locker rooms and steal play sheets during pregame warm-ups.

  26. Is there really anything in here that we didn’t already know without needing to be told? Everyone knew the NFL was trying to sweep Spygate under the rug and move on as quickly as possible.

  27. Lol espn and the nfl look so desperate.

    Let the smear campain continue!! It only fuels the patriots.

    Never trust anything that comes out of bristol ct or park ave

  28. STOP – just STOP.

    Why doesn’t ESPN and the NFL say they are in bed together and get it over with.

    Learn how to figure out what you can do within the rules of the game and TRY, just TRY to beat the GOAT coach the league has ever seen.

    Trying to dig up old dirt that nothing can take root in is not going to make any difference in what is happening today.

    Oh, wait a minute, yes it will. It will make the haters visit a website, which in turn gets hits which in turn equals money.

    Who cares if it is slander, based only on some “inside information” (aka fabrication) because they don’t have to answer to anyone.

    What I would really like to see is these jokers being put the mat for the crap they spew out day after day just to get hits on a website. Unless and until that happens, this fodder will continue to come out so that the mindless sheep haters will have something to hang their hats on.

    Pathetic, just totally pathetic……

  29. ybthatway says:
    Sep 8, 2015 9:19 AM
    So what do you have to say about this Pats’ fans?
    ======================================
    I say this is driven by the same forces that drove deflategate and that this is typical ESPN. I also say that this is no coincidence that it comes out right after Brady’s suspension was vacated by Judge Berman. Some people in the NFL offices and some owners did not like the results. As usual, let’s hold off until we see some evidence.

  30. Well at least we know ESPN would never unfairly try to malign the Patriots in any way. Speaking about unfairness and integrity of the NFL, you don’t suppose they are still mad about Judge Berman’s ruling, do you? I mean they wouldn’t try to put the spotlight back on the Patriots, to get if off their sorry asses, naa, they have way too much integrity to do that. My respect for this league is as low as I can imagine. Have they gone completely off their rockers. Talk about sore losers. Yeah this is just what the public needs were going to rehash Spygate for another 8 months. This is sick and it too will not stick!!!

  31. Well here we go with the league’s smear campaign. Cheap attempt to sway public opinion after getting reamed in court. Go ahead, NFL. You’ll still lose your appeal, and Goodell will lose his power, and everyone but you will be happy.

    And I say this as a Pats hater.

  32. You have to be stupid to ignore the fact that the patriots are cheaters, were cheaters, and will most likely always be cheaters. Pats fans upset about deflategate shouldnt be. Roger let one of his favorite teams off the hook over the huge spygate scandal, which absolutely affected a superbowl game, only to be let down years later when it comes out that the team is cheating AGAIN! You got a freebie, and instead of doing the right thing, you stuck to your cheating ways. You can win as many superbowls as you want, but you will never be able to distance yourselves from all the cheating.

    Patriots****

  33. All came out on Tiger once the floodgates opened too. I was shocked that the NFL didn’t cover up deflategate which they did for spygate to protect league. Thanks Tom for bringing the flashlight. Oh well you’ll be gone in 2 years with your supermodel(ex) wife and the image the NFL created and your coolaid drinking fan base. Most of us know better but you dont need us anyway.

  34. cheating commenced in 2000 as:

    “AUGUST 2000, before a Patriots preseason game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Jimmy Dee, the head of New England’s video department, approached one of his charges, Matt Walsh, with a strange assignment: He wanted Walsh to film the Bucs’ offensive and defensive signals, the arm waving and hand folding that team coaches use to communicate plays and formations to the men on the field.

    Not coincidentally, the Bucs were also New England’s opponent in the regular-season opener. A few days before the game, Walsh told Senate investigators, according to notes of the interview, a backup quarterback named John Friesz was summoned to Belichick’s office.

    Days before the Tampa Bay game, in Belichick’s office, Friesz was told that the Patriots had a tape of the Bucs’ signals. He was instructed to memorize them, and during the game, to watch Bucs defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin and tell Weis the defensive play, which Weis would relay over the radio headset system to quarterback Drew Bledsoe.

    That Sunday against the Bucs, Walsh later told investigators, the Patriots played more no-huddle than usual, forcing Kiffin to signal in plays quickly, allowing Weis sufficient time to relay the information. Years later, some Patriots coaches would point to the score — a 21-16 Bucs win — as evidence of Spygate’s ineffectiveness. But as Walsh later told investigators, Friesz, who did not respond to messages to comment for this story, told Walsh after the game that the Patriots knew 75 percent of the Bucs’ defenses before the snap.”

  35. Any team who does not change signals is DUMB.

    Every team, to this day….steals signals, all the way down to high school.

    So what????

    This comes from the NFL’S ….PARTNER….ESPN….so what do you expect????

    God…the NFL is like a jilted girlfriend who gets caught lying

  36. It wasn’t cheating if they had “diagrams”. It was allowed ,per the rules, if you weren’t using to for that specific game until Goodell sent the memo in 2007.

  37. Shocking I say. The league gets embarrassed by Brady in court and somehow old rehashed rumors get leaked the following week, and right before the Patriots raise the banner. Who would do such a thing I say? I just can’t imagine anyone who would try to manipulate the media like that. It’s unprecidented.

    And kudos to ESPN for being the standard for journalistic integrity. They run with an Outside the Lines on the old Spygate story, which the Patriots admitted their involvement in so this is a total non-story, just like they ran one on how the NFL used ESPN as their own hired mouthpiece in the deflategate saga. Oh yeah, they never did that. They never even changed the story of 2 lbs under on their site. It’s still there. Roger says jump, ESPN doesn’t even ask how high, they simply start hopping.

  38. I’m really disgusted and sick of these anti-Patriot hatchet jobs that are showing up everywhere. People are so jealous of the Patriots because they win so much that they look for any reason to tear them down.

    It’s clear that DeflateGate was a bogus scandal from Day 1 but was driven by the anti-Patriot agenda of ESPN and the NFL. Every QB screws with PSI inflation, as Aaron Rodgers admitted and the fine on the books for it is 5K, which the NFL has NEVER enforced because they considered it a gamesmanship issue.

    It’s the same thing with the bogus Spygate issue. It was LEGAL. EVERY team was stealing/videotaping signals, not just the Patriots. Goodell didn’t even send a memo out about it until 2007 and when he sent the memo, he sent it to EVERY team in the NFL, not just the Patriots, because EVERY team was videotaping.

    I’m so tired of these anti-Patriots stories getting planted and it proves there are many out there with an ax to grind against the Pats.

  39. For the last time – the rule that the Patriots violated in the Spygate scandal was not in place until July of 2007. Anything that happened prior to this cannot be considered cheating since it didn’t break any rules.

  40. Deflategate was passive-aggressiveness at it’s most comical. Of course the Patriots were chronic cheaters for years. Most teams cheat on occasion–it’s just that the Patriots mastered it and took it to unprecedented levels. They weren’t appropriately punished and so the anger that’s been building among the other owners finally spilled over with the latest Super Bowl win and the texts between the team’s assistants gave them an opening.

    I was talking with a longtime NFL beat writer about this last week. Goodell’s been such a mess on this because the other owners were coming down on him hard to lay the hammer down on Patriots … to make it happen. If Goodell had handled Spygate with a thorough investigation and appropriate punishment, none of this would’ve happened.

  41. swheeler says:
    Sep 8, 2015 9:29 AM

    I can’t believe that Kraft is not fighting this in court. It’s slander of his organization.
    ======

    Truth is the ultimate defense so if Kraft doesn’t file a suit I guess we know the truth.

    And if he does we get Bill and Tom and all under oath.

  42. Sounds like Goodell did all he could to protect the pats back in the day from just punishment. Now he’s trying to make up for his failures many years ago. Pats were coddled by Goodell because Robert Kraft whispered into Goodell’s ear. Absolutely shameful.

  43. So when ESPN reports negatively about the patriots, on behalf of the NFL of course, are we supposed to take them at their word? Did we learn nothing about the reliability of such reporting from “deflategate”?

  44. I often wondered if the Patriots don’t have a way to listen in to the communications between the visiting teams’ communication from the booth down to the head sets on the coaches. Seems like that would be easy to do. Also numerous teams have complained that their head sets between the field and booths go dead at the most critical times in their games in Foxborough.

  45. Hahahaha we still have the trophies. Lets punish the pats for other teams being clowns who can’t run a successful team. There NFL is a joke made up of crybabies who suck at football. Can’t win on the field, cry about it to the media off the field. Stop making excuses and try to win the game.

    Oh no not the signals! Anything but our signals. If only we could change the signals for the 2 defensive plays we have!

  46. It’s from ESPN what do you think!

    This is such a joke…Another smear campaign against New England with No Evidence, AGAIN!

    Remember when the taping story ran, I think in the Boston Globe or Boston Herald, it was retracted within hours of the report because IT WASN’T TRUE!

    ESPN employs liars.

  47. So… Deflategate was NOTHING but a “makeup call” for some crybaby owners.

    Period.

    I SO can’t WAIT till Brady’s defamation suit.

    🙂

  48. The Patriots beat up some British soldiers (in 1776, but I’m sure Roger claims jurisdiction since it’s the Patriots). I bet Brady, in a previous life, was part of the beatings. Let’s investigate that next – screw having a season until Brady and Kraft are jailed and banished from the league. MOVE ON, people.

  49. To all of you out there that want to see the Patriots twist in the wind:

    Doesn’t the timing of this ‘leak’ seem somewhat suspicious to you? Goodell and the NFL get fed their lunch in court and NOW all of a sudden, this supposed information goes public 8 years later?

  50. To use a wrestling term, the NFL is trying to get it’s heat back. They’re jobbers on a global scale (0-5 in court) and have a deep-seated need to look strong and get on the good side of public media.

    It’s like Goodell is the NFL’s Roman Reigns.

  51. pftoverespn says:
    Sep 8, 2015 9:27 AM
    The NFL is gettting REALLY desparate.

    This also ignores that mulitple coaches, like Bill Cowher of Pittsburgh, that said they did it as well. This is some BS to make it look like only the Pats ever taped signals, which is a complete lie. ——————————————————————————————————————————-
    Correct, and Cowher wasn’t alone. One reason the evidence was destroyed, was that it shows other teams doing the same thing (not just the Steelers)

  52. Did anyone think they taped signals just one time? How is this even a story? Plenty of coaches and players were upset about it. Plenty shrugged it off. This is sour grapes. Just ESPN trying to drag skeletons out of the closet.

  53. ybthatway says:
    Sep 8, 2015 9:19 AM
    So what do you have to say about this Pats’ fans?

    —————

    I’d say that every team steals signals….even yours. And what the Pats did was not illegal until 2007. Taping from an illegal position on the field. Taping was not illegal…..only the field position from which it was done.

  54. The NFL is not the WWE but lets face it if you are Robert Kraft and you are one of if not THE most influential owners in the NFL things happen for them. Thats it. We cannot fathom the amount of money he makes for other owners and Goodell. Money trumps all and his ability to broker business deals for all his comPATRIOTS will always allow provisions be made for the Patriots

  55. Hey Pats fans. So breaking into other teams locker rooms and stealing play sheet was legal before 2006? What about disguising team employees as reporters?

  56. Coincidence that the Erroneous Sports Propaganda Network comes out with this story after a humiliating loss in court? I don’t think so.

    Did ESPN mention that the rule prohibiting sideline taping only was created when former Jets exec Mike Kensil joined the League offices in 2006?

    How exactly are the Patriots able to break a rule “for years” that didn’t exist?

    And are fans STILL so gullible as to not know that NFL rules STILL allow taping of signal calling and all teams do it STILL? Not ONE of you wonders why coordinators cover their mouths?

    Congress: We need new OWNERS – the ones in the NFL are corrupt. End all anti-trust exemptions until the NFL League Offices are cleaned up

  57. I really feel bad for the Patriots opponents this year. I really do. I mean, yeah, Im a Pats fan, but damn this team is going to be mad….

  58. How’s that holding cheaters accountable thing working out? What a joke this whole process has been, and the Patriots fans act like they’re the ones who were wronged.

  59. Simply pathetic. The NFL has provided “an insider” to leak a little more false information to deflect the attention back onto the Patriots. Just pathetic.

  60. No explanation as to why Brady completely destroyed the Colts after the balls were inflated, or why the Pats went 17-1 the year after spygate broke? Nfl is lame leaking things to ESPN. Goodell has completely lost it.

    I still want to know why Goodell punished Farve and Brady different for obstruction of league “justice”.

    You hate to see the league take blow after blow due to self inflicted damage. But under Goodell this is exactly what has happened.

  61. ESPN the mouthpiece for the league. They are doing this so the focus is not about the last 5 failures in court.

    Taping signal was never illegal. It was the spot they taped from that was ” illegal “. Any coach with a brain changed their signals game to game. Also, such filming was not allowed for same day in game use.
    Was it ever proven that the Pats ever used it in a game?

    The NFL is acting like a little catty girl. They are just making themselves look bad. Now I understand why Kraft excepted the penalties. The bullies are in full PR mode.

    Now they just have to get the refs on board and they will completely ruin the Pats.

    This is not about cheating, this is about so much more and the more the league pushes the worse for the game itself.

  62. This is about as surprising as the sun coming up today.

    Roger Goodell should have been fired for destroying the spygate evidence he was given. The only message that action sent is the charges about the Patriots spying on the Rams prior to SB XXXVI were true, and Goodell didn’t want the equivalent of MLB’s Black Sox scandal to tarnish the NFL, especially on his watch.

  63. Goodell goes on ESPN today, and now we have this additional smear campaign by ESPN trying to drum up the Crygaters.

    All this crygating comes down to this. If your team plays better football – tackles better, forces more fumbles, makes more interceptions, and scores more touchdowns. Maybe, just maybe, your team has a chance to beat the New England Patriots. Stop acting like 5th graders…man up…and hope your team plays better.

  64. To give the Patriots their due, they do things better than other teams. I don’t doubt there was some level of signal stealing by other teams. But as is typical, BB goes over the top, they develop a better scheme at this and they get caught.

    Sports is such a simple notion. Line up and play and the better team wins. The thought is if I work the hardest, I stand a better chance of success. At its base, that’s sports.

    Mix in money and all the sudden, PEDs, cheating, and whatever short cuts are necessary to get an edge becomes part of it too. I wish the NFL wasn’t my heroin, but I will be watching every week just like all of you.

    These side stories are starting to add to the flavor I suppose. Part of me wishes it was just the better prepared team that wins. I am not so sure anymore. Is this soon to become wrestling?

  65. Sure explains why Goodell destroyed all the evidence. It would have made the league look really bad if they found out just how much cheating they were doing.

    It’s pretty sad that Goodell and the league is putting it out there now, but Brady wanted to go after the Commish and leave it all out there, so let’s bring it all to light.

    Pats are scum…always have been and always will under Belicheat.

  66. Did anyone outside of Patriots fans really think they cheated only one time on one game, and got caught that time? Please. We’ve been saying this for years.

  67. Also, the NFL makes the new taping ruling the year -after- the Jets get caught doing it and get thrown out of Foxboro.

    The same Jets head coach was the one who ran to tattle on the Patriots next year.

  68. It really wasn’t that hard to tell there was more to the Spygate mess than what the league handed down.

    Honestly, it was the beginning of the end of me being a hardcore NFL fan, couple that with the lockout nonsense… the league simply cannot be trusted to be a game filled with integrity and for the love of the game.

    When they destroyed the tape and evidence of the cheating, it is difficult to trust in the game any longer.

    More will come out and it will look even worse for the NFL as a whole.

  69. Kingmj4891 says:
    Sep 8, 2015 9:39 AM
    Hey Pats fans. So breaking into other teams locker rooms and stealing play sheet was legal before 2006? What about disguising team employees as reporters?

    I hope they do it again when they play the team you root for.

    CRYBABY

  70. Gee the NFL and ESPN got whupped so now they figured more BS would make it better?

    Pat’s fans don’t care about your respect anymore since we don’t need it from Haternation & Loserville, it’s enough that you all fear us so much that you can’t think beyond the next bogus claim. But please, make your case so we can thrash you once again.

    Living rent free in your little heads 🙂

    BTW, this was totally predicted and expected from all you “participation trophy” types.

  71. Interesting timing for this report. I guess it took the intervening 8 years to complete all those interviews. This is yet another hit piece from the NFL’s PR vendor, ESPN. No attribution, and plenty of hearsay and old tales.

    From the story:

    “The practice of decoding signals was universal in football.”

    “videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent’s offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited from the sidelines.”

    The location, not the action was the violation.

    But that is buried in a pile of innuendo and recycled accusation, which the trolls will devour again.

  72. Welp, done with ESPN.

    I mean, it’s one thing to get fooled by an inside source.

    But publishing this right after the deflategate ruling? That’s not a coincidnece. ESPN is taking it’s orders from the NFL.

  73. so typical of the nfl…espn to make an old unimportant story front and center to give all the haters a new(old) steak to chew on…all teams taped prior to 2007 .if you know the facts then you know that this is the TRUTH

  74. jae121704 says:
    Sep 8, 2015 9:40 AM
    I really feel bad for the Patriots opponents this year. I really do. I mean, yeah, Im a Pats fan, but damn this team is going to be mad….

    ________
    The rest of the league is a lot more ticked off than the Patriots are.

  75. I really find this hard to believe. Think objectively here. Why, if this were true, would the other teams not scream about it? And how is a head coach like the loudmouth Martz going to keep quiet? And why on earth would the league allow it to go on?

    Don’t you think that a player who was surprisingly let go, say like Richard Seymour, would speak out? He was not happy to be traded to Oakland.

    Couple that with the fact it is an ESPN report. They have little credibility at this point.

  76. I can’t believe that Kraft is not fighting this in court. It’s slander of his organization.
    ———————————————————

    It is only “slander” if it is not true. I guess we will see by Mr. Kraft’s response as to how he views it.

  77. Who couldn’t have guessed this? That’s why the tapes turned over to the league mysteriously were destroyed and their contents never leaked.

    The league tried to downplay this and cover it up since day 1. “Oh everybody come out and say you’re satisfied and everything is fine now – maybe people won’t see how bad this all was!!”

    Fire Gooddell.

  78. What a joke the NFL and ESPN got exposed and badly embarrassed by the witch hunt know as “deflategate” and because the NFL lost badly and were laughed out of court they decide to work with ESPN to release some 8 year old dirt to try to smear the Patriots because their butt hurt over their latest legal beatdown.

    ESPN is pathetic and lost any respect or integrity decades ago.

    The NFL is just being a sore loser and felt compelled to take a cheap shot.

  79. What do you expect from Bill Belichick? He’ll enter the Hall of Fame as the Coach that benefitted the most by cheating his way to the top.

  80. Attention all ESPN/NFL Sheep: This should keep your mouths busy for a few days. The funny thing is…..this was ALL LEGAL PRIOR TO 2007…so why is this even a story? Why I ask? Because the NFL lost in Deflategate and now ESPN/NFL are going to smear them like little kids that got their lollipops stolen while playing in the sandbox.

  81. Did anyone read the report? It is a lot more than just taping going on. And lets not discuss Kraft and the Judge mingling at a benefit event a week ago. Oh and the Judge working for an agency that Kraft is part of. Oh and the Judge and Kraft’s current ties with Columbia University. It will never stop.

  82. Let’s see if we can follow Pats fans logic…

    The idea that Pats are serial cheaters is a made up, tin foil hat conspiracy by the league and the NFL, neither of whom care about hurting the golden goose – pro football – in their quest to tarnish the innocent Pats.

    But, the idea that it is a conspiracy with no merit is not tin foil hat, but legit?

    Like chasing your tails?

    **************

  83. I’m not a Pats fan, but I still don’t get how the Spygate activity is “cheating”. If the opposing DC stands on the sideline and makes various signals to his team, any professional getting paid to play/coach for the other team SHOULD be paying attention and trying to pick up any patterns in the signalling. Honestly, it does seem to me sometimes like Bellichick gets into trouble simply for being smarter than other coaches in the league (playcalling against Baltimore in the playoffs being another prime example of BB getting slammed simply for outsmarting and outcoaching the opponent).

  84. “jswheeler says:
    Sep 8, 2015 9:29 AM
    I can’t believe that Kraft is not fighting this in court. It’s slander of his organization.”

    Kraft isn’t taking this to court because 1) he knows it’s all true and 2) that his cheating team would look even worse than it already does.

  85. Roger Goodell on Mike and Mike Show said that the Wells Investigation was “INDEPENDENT!”

    Tom Brady’s dad was right…Roger Goodell is a “flaming liar”!!!

  86. Conveniently, this just comes out now? When Brady wins in federal court over the NFL? Boy, that’s convenient.

    Looks like the Colts, Jets and Ravens got together with Rog to cook up more garbage because they didn’t get their way.

  87. Public opinion management through lies and innuendo is the only area in which the NFL can prevail since it’s clear the are as tough to beat in court as they are on the field. I was wondering which tactic the league would try next. The star reporters of ESPN were played like fiddles and somehow their appetite for dispensing stupid stories goes unfulfilled.

  88. darkgoody says:
    Sep 8, 2015 9:40 AM

    How’s that holding cheaters accountable thing working out? What a joke this whole process has been, and the Patriots fans act like they’re the ones who were wronged.

    —-
    Do you think this was leaked by accident? After all the proof that there was no deflating and that the investigation was orchestrated–even Judge Berman says so (and he read everything). You still buy everything that the NFL says because you want it to be true. You are a pawn.

  89. Only a Patriots fan (of which there are many here) would say that there wasn’t any evidence of wrongdoing by Brady with regard to Deflategate. The text messages reek of his guilt and his decision to destroy his cell phone is, at a minimum, what is referred to in common parlance as “obstruction of justice.”

    And now we find out that the Spygate scandal was far worse than originally thought.

    The Patriots suck. Take away all their Super Bowls NOW.

  90. Superbowl winners:

    Pittsburgh Steelers – 6
    San Francisco 49ers – 5
    Dallas Cowboys – 5
    Green Bay Packers – 4
    New York Giants – 4
    Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders – 3
    Washington Redskins – 3
    Denver Broncos – 2
    Miami Dolphins – 2
    Baltimore/Indianapolis Colts – 2
    Baltimore Ravens – 2
    Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams – 2
    Seattle Seahawks – 2
    Kansas City Chiefs – 1
    Chicago Bears – 1
    New York Jets – 1
    Tampa Bay Buccaneers – 1
    New Orleans Saints – 1
    Philadelphia Eagles – 1
    Carolina Panthers – 1

  91. I have a natural disposition to dislike the Patriots over the last 15 years but this is ridiculous. 40 games over 8 seasons? What about the other 80 games (not counting playoffs)? If the cheating was so rampant and unchecked then why wouldn’t it include those games too? The rule change happened late in that time period and they were punished for doing it during one game. One. It does revisit the retracted allegation of the incident before the Rams Super Bowl.

    Somebody has an agenda here and it is not Roger Goodell. Goodell seems to be the target, not the Patriots because the theme is that he didn’t investigate allegations and then covered up the truth while hoping the damage could be mitigated. Many people already have made up their minds on the Patriots legacy and this doesn’t really affect that. It does, however add to the growing belief that Goodell himself is corrupt. This story was not designed to besmirch the Patriots again. It was designed to further the league corruption story and legitimize the fan, media and player hatred of Roger Goodell in an effort to get him fired and replaced. The only opinions that matter here are those of the 32 owners and this forces them to consider action.

  92. and yes……

    “AS THE PATRIOTS became a dynasty and Belichick became the first coach to win three Super Bowls in four years, an entire system of covert videotaping was developed and a secret library created. “It got out of control,” a former Patriots assistant coach says. Sources with knowledge of the system say an advance scout would attend the games of upcoming Patriots opponents and assemble a spreadsheet of all the signals and corresponding plays. The scout would give it to Adams, who would spend most of the week in his office with the door closed, matching the notes to the tapes filmed from the sideline. Files were created, organized by opponent and by coach. During games, Walsh later told investigators, the Patriots’ videographers were told to look like media members, to tape over their team logos or turn their sweatshirt inside out, to wear credentials that said Patriots TV or Kraft Productions. The videographers also were provided with excuses for what to tell NFL security if asked what they were doing: Tell them you’re filming the quarterbacks. Or the kickers. Or footage for a team show.

    The cameramen’s assignments differed depending on the opponent. For instance, Walsh told investigators that against Indianapolis he was directed to take close-ups of the Colts’ offensive signals, then of Peyton Manning’s hand signals. Mostly, though, the tapes were of defensive signals. Each video sequence would usually include three shots: the down and distance, the signal, and, as an in-house joke, a tight shot of a cheerleader’s top or skirt. The tape was then often edited, sources say, so that Adams’ copy contained only the signals, in rapid fire, one after another. According to investigators, Walsh once asked Adams, “Are the tapes up to standards?”

    “You’re doing a good job,” Adams said. “But make sure that you get everyone who’s giving signals, even dummy signals.”

    As much as the Patriots tried to keep the circle of those who knew about the taping small, sometimes the team would add recently cut players from upcoming opponents and pay them only to help decipher signals, former Patriots staffers say. In 2005, for instance, they signed a defensive player from a team they were going to play in the upcoming season. Before that game, the player was led to a room where Adams was waiting. They closed the door, and Adams played a compilation tape that matched the signals to the plays from the player’s former team, and asked how many were accurate. “He had about 50 percent of them right,” the player says now.

    During games, Adams sat in the coaches’ box, with binoculars and notes of decoded signals, wearing a headset with a direct audio line to Belichick. Whenever Adams saw an opposing coach’s signal he recognized, he’d say something like, “Watch for the Two Deep Blitz,” and either that information was relayed to Brady or a play designed specifically to exploit the defense was called. A former Patriots employee who was directly involved in the taping system says “it helped our offense a lot,” especially in divisional games in which there was a short amount of time between the first and second matchups, making it harder for opposing coaches to change signals.”

  93. —–eezyxyz says:
    Sep 8, 2015 9:48 AM
    I’m not a Pats fan, but I still don’t get how the Spygate activity is “cheating”. If the opposing DC stands on the sideline and makes various signals to his team, any professional getting paid to play/coach for the other team SHOULD be paying attention and trying to pick up any patterns in the signalling. Honestly, it does seem to me sometimes like Bellichick gets into trouble simply for being smarter than other coaches in the league (playcalling against Baltimore in the playoffs being another prime example of BB getting slammed simply for outsmarting and outcoaching the opponent).—————

    Stealing signals was expressly forbidden by the rules as stated. It still is, of course. Breaking the rules to get a competitive advantage = CHEATING.

    What is so difficult to understand about this?

  94. Let me state this and be very clear.

    Pats fans neither seek nor require the approval of the 31 other teams fans.

    It is quite funny reading all the posts where you can almost see the poster shaking with frustration and bile. Four super bowls and playoffs every year and I have yet to see any ifs, buts or maybes in any of the record books.

    Keep up the good work trolls and don’t forget to tune in Thursday night to watch the banner being raised……again.

    Ha ha ha ha ha

  95. Haha, now we know what the league and ESPN were up to all weekend. Shameless, proven liars the lot of them.

    “The issue is not stealing signals. That is allowed, and it is done quite widely, Commissioner Goodell said recently.” “I’m not sure that there is a coach in the league that doesn’t expect that their signals are being intercepted by opposing teams, Goodell said Feb. 1, two days before the Super Bowl.” — Ny Times, February 17, 2008

    Time for ESPN Midnght Apology #37.

  96. Not a Pats….but every team tried it. If Belichick did it then Parcells did as well. So that means Giants,Browns, Pats, Jets, Dolphins, Cowboys
    Etc organizations were part of it. Then take the assistants ….Mangini
    was probably trying to do so, as well.
    Problem is with all the prep during the week then in addition do yo have the ability to let coaches also spend time on analyzing the other teams signs. Then during game try to determine if signals are same, Interpret those signals, get from coaches box to sideline, then sideline to players, sounds difficult.
    If a team were to successfully pull off, they had to assign an assistant or assistants to analyze. That’s a lot of work.
    I’m not saying it didn’t happen but I do question how it worked or
    determined games. I will say this, if there is any staff that would work
    that hard on some detail it would be a Belichick staff. I am not a fan
    of Belichick, but, I do respect his work ethic.

  97. How convenient- just as deflategate was going away ESPN has this Ace up their sleeve. I guess concussions take a back seat to air pressure and handycams…

  98. Not saying there isn’t basis to the stories but am I the only one who thinks it’s odd that when the Pats get in a position of public favor magically a story like this (which bring nothing in the way of new info outside of the scope of the league’s hand in the cover up), the destroyed phone exageration, the unapproved ball story just pops up out of nowhere.

  99. Well no one gets caught their FIRST time cheating, you knew it was more than one game that this happened. All the talk about burned tapes cant all be made up- and if the NFL burned tapes then they were hiding something. Basically the NFL’s stance was “we cant just completely forget all this cheating, but we’ll say we got you ONCE and punish you for that. That way there is a punishment, but we wont get you on YEARS of cheating and be forced to take away your titles”. Hence why Kraft took that punishment so easily, he knew he was getting off the hook BIG TIME. They are known cheaters, and in any sport if your caught cheating on a team wide basis like this then you should absolutely have your titles taken away.

  100. I can tell that most Pats fans here didn’t even make it to the end of this article to be able to form a coherent conclusion.

    Don’t you get it Pats fans? Your buddy Goodell doesn’t like scandal! He went out of his way to PROTECT your precious Patriots and to downplay the significance of Spygate.

    I can’t believe Sean Payton was suspended for an entire year for Bountygate, which he DIDN’T orchestrate but rather covered up, and Bill Belichick got a tiny slap on the wrist for all this.

    It’s crazy.

  101. ybthatway says:
    Sep 8, 2015 9:19 AM

    So what do you have to say about this Pats’ fans?
    _________________________________

    What every fan would say that knows the rules. Taping signals is not illegal. Taping from the sideline was not illegal until Spygate. The Patriots got punished for taping from the sideline where it’s not allowed anymore.

    The NFL rule book says that teams can still film to this day, but it has to be from an area with four walls and a roof, like the press level of the stadium.

    You’re buying right into the NFL’s and ESPN’s smear campaign of the Patriots. Can’t win in court, so we’ll try to sway public opinion.

  102. A ” covert videotaping ” operation in plain view of 70,000 fans, dozens of NFL officials, the refs, and the opposing team. Sounds shady!

    The NFL is really getting desperate, I wonder whether Jeff Pash edited this report too….

  103. If signal filming has always been illegal, perhaps the Erroneous Sports Propaganda Network can explain why ALL coordinators even TODAY cover their mouths when calling in signals

    Anyone?

    Bueller?

    What a joke ESPN became.

    What a joke Goodell and the NFL owners have become.

    Ironic that the tarnish on the shield originates from within

  104. ESPN Story: Remember that time, that like the Patriots got caught, you know, taping other teams… THAT WAS AWESOME!!!

    Great job, ESPN, another crap slinging story against the Patriots, because, let’s face, you look like crap for your crappy reporting over the past year. Another reason I am dropping cable, crappy channels like ESPN.

  105. News flash – videotaping opponents defensive signals was just as illegal in 1992 when Jimmy Johnson and the Cowboys were doing it as it was in 2006.

    That is to say, not at all.

    There is only one spygate game and that was in week 1 of the 2007 season against the Jets. What NE was doing was not against the rules prior to this game.

  106. So we’re reporting what we already knew?

    That the Patriots taped defensive signals and used them in future games for advanced scouting on dumb coaches.

    We knew all of this. It actually confirms that the tapes were used in the same game which is exactly what Belichick admitted to.

  107. The sources: Roger Goodell, Troy Vincent, Mike Kensil, Mark Brunell, Jerome Bettis, Chris Mortensen, Stephen A. Smith, Steve Young, Jerry Rice, Trent Dilfer, Ryan Grigson, Tom (TJ) Jackson, Troy Aikman, Chris “Pashrush” Collinsworth, Marshall Faulk, John Harbaugh, and anyone related to the 2001 Oakland Raiders, 2001 St. Louis Rams, 2003 Carolina Panthers, and the 2004 Philadelphia Eagles. There, I am pretty sure that gets us way past 90.

  108. This topic is a chewbone tossed by a tainted media source for the consumption of rabid pro football fans predisposed to their particular extreme points of view.

    A ‘story’ that can make everyone look bad — Belichick, Kraft, Goodell, Mangini, a herd of sheepish owners — has something for everyone except those who question the timing and motivation of the media source that offers it.

    There was a time when OTL stood for something other than media self promotion. That time has passed.

  109. v2787 says:
    Sep 8, 2015 9:50 AM
    “jswheeler says:
    Sep 8, 2015 9:29 AM
    I can’t believe that Kraft is not fighting this in court. It’s slander of his organization.”

    Kraft isn’t taking this to court because 1) he knows it’s all true and 2) that his cheating team would look even worse than it already does.

    —————

    Seems to me I heard the same crap regarding why Brady would never take the NFL to court. How’d that work out for ya?

  110. ybthatway says:
    Sep 8, 2015 9:19 AM

    So what do you have to say about this Pats’ fans?
    ——————————————————–
    That ESPN will stop at nothing to smear the Patriots. This much is clear as is the obvious fact the NFL is providing the most likely false information. Epic failure by both the NFL and ESPN in the now debunked deflategate travesty and “shockingly” ESPN and the NFL drag out the almost 10 year old one documented case of New England not playing by the rules. The NFL and ESPN are despicable organizations led by incompetent boobs. Taping was legal during the 2000 thru 2005 seasons so it stood to reason the Patriots would have files of signals. It would be more amazing to find that the teams filmed hadn’t, you know, the brains to change signals from game to game. Yes the Patriots taped in 2006 with impunity but it’s well documented that at least one other team, the Jets, did so as well. New England was stopped in the first half of the first game of the 2007 season. I as a Pats fan won’t ever forgive Belichick for the arrogant behavior that has permanently scarred the Patriots organization but this is just another attempt by the league and it’s disgusting mouthpiece ESPN to ruin the Patriots. I hope that Kraft says screw it and sues the lot of them. This is beyond crazy. The NFL and ESPN have lost their collective minds. They will go to any length legal or illegal to trash Bob Kraft and his team. It seems the league wants Belichick gone and will do anything and everything to force Krafts hand. Including inventing scandal’s from thin air(see what I did there?).

  111. It is disappointing that some choose to believe in myths, conjecture and rumors rather than giving credit for the team’s successes to Coach Belichick, his staff and the players for their hard work, attention to detail, methodical weekly preparation, diligence and overall performance.

  112. ybthatway says:
    Sep 8, 2015 9:19 AM

    So what do you have to say about this Pats’ fans?
    …………………………………………………………………………………….

    old news. shouldn’t you be getting ready for work at your law firm?

  113. “CONSIDERING HOW THE NFL currently conducts its investigations or reviews of its investigations — outsourcing the legwork, allowing it to take months to complete, making the findings public, and almost always losing if the inevitable appeal is heard by an independent arbitrator — it’s striking that the Spygate inquiry lasted only a little over a week, and that Goodell’s findings stuck. The day after the game, Sept. 10, the Jets sent a letter to the Patriots asking them to preserve any evidence because they had sent an official grievance about the Patriots’ spying to the NFL, says Robyn Glaser, vice president of the Kraft Group and club counsel of the Patriots. Kraft told Belichick to tell the truth and cooperate with the investigation, and the coach waived the opportunity to have a hearing. On Sept. 12, Goodell spoke on the phone with Belichick for 30 minutes, sources say. Belichick explained that he had misinterpreted a rule, which the commissioner did not believe to be true, sources say, and that he had been engaged in the practice of taping signals for “some time.” The coach explained that “at the most, he might gain a little intelligence,” Goodell would later recall, according to notes. Belichick didn’t volunteer the total number of games at which the Patriots had recorded signals, sources say, and the commissioner didn’t ask. “Goodell didn’t want to know how many games were taped,” another source with firsthand knowledge of the investigation says, “and Belichick didn’t want to tell him.”

    The next day, the league announced its historic punishment against the Patriots, including an NFL maximum fine of Belichick. Goodell and league executives hoped Spygate would be over.”

  114. It’s only Pats fans who think they have a dynasty? Belicheat hires 3 men to come up with ways to cheat so they cheat 100 ways every week to beat the 2 win Jags and brag. The players don’t have a choice. They’re all tarnished. You guys keep forgetting what you’re not getting caught at. Belicheat needed to cheat because he had the worst QB and roster ever.

    I celebrate real successful franchises. Not fake ones. I don’t hate actual winners.

    Packers 13
    Bears 9
    Giants 8
    Steelers 6
    Niners 5
    Cowboys 5
    There’s a bunch with 4, 3, 2, and 1 without cheating.

    **** puts the Pats at -4. That’s what the Pats fans call the greatest dynasty ever when every other NFL team has a classier tesm to root for.

  115. letsgobuffalo4 says:
    Sep 8, 2015 9:58 AM

    Well no one gets caught their FIRST time cheating, you knew it was more than one game that this happened. All the talk about burned tapes cant all be made up- and if the NFL burned tapes then they were hiding something. Basically the NFL’s stance was “we cant just completely forget all this cheating, but we’ll say we got you ONCE and punish you for that. That way there is a punishment, but we wont get you on YEARS of cheating and be forced to take away your titles”. Hence why Kraft took that punishment so easily, he knew he was getting off the hook BIG TIME. They are known cheaters, and in any sport if your caught cheating on a team wide basis like this then you should absolutely have your titles taken away.
    _________________________________

    So taking the biggest fine in NFL history, and losing draft picks is getting off easy for “more probable than not” doing something? Even though the league exonerated the Patriots’ club and the coaches of any wrongdoing?

    The Patriots won their titles in 2001, 2003 and 2004, all years when taping from the sidelines was legal (the initial memo about filming came out in 2006). They would have no grounds for taking away their titles those years.

    Maybe 2015 if you believe the conclusions of Wells report to be independent (which no intelligent person should).

    But then they would also have to look into taking away the Broncos’ titles, the Seahawks, the Bucs, all teams that have either admitted to breaking the rules, or were fined for cheating the years they won… no way the NFL is taking away all of those titles just to get back at the Patriots for humiliating them in court.

  116. This just in, there are reports of rampant cheating in the NFL. It turns out no teams were adhering to the salary cap before 1994.

    Does that sound stupid? So does saying the Patriots violated a rule that didn’t exist at the time.

  117. SHADY BRADY and BILL BELICHEAT
    *************************************
    Represented by:
    Douwie, Cheatem and Howe

  118. Which is exactly why I don’t believe that the AFC Championship game the first time that they played with deflated footballs. A lot of Pats supporters point to the result of the AFC Championship game against the Colts but what about the weak before that was a 3 pt game against the Ravens if memory serves me right.

  119. “Looking back on it, several former Patriots coaches insist that spying helped them most against less sophisticated teams — the Dolphins and Bills chief among them — whose coaches didn’t bother changing their signals.” ESPN

    Figures. So what are the Patriots doing now? Makes one wonder.

  120. ESPN is a total joke. They got their little butts whipped.

    The only fallacy is, as I remember when the NE Patriots, got fined, Rex Ryan then d-coordinator of the Ravens said “There are about 18 or 19 teams that better take notice”.

    So pathetic.

  121. It’s like the Clintons run that team… scandal after scandal.
    I’m completely burnt out on this team. Can we please talk about ANYTHING else?

  122. Akula says:
    Sep 8, 2015 9:55 AM

    Let me state this and be very clear.

    Pats fans neither seek nor require the approval of the 31 other teams fans.
    =====

    Yes you do. That’s why you’re here trying to deflect it. You want everyone to believe Belichick and Brady are great, but we’ll never know how great since they had to cheat, repeatedly, for their accomplishments.

    Search NFL scandals and you’ll find Pats all over them – forever.

    The idea that believing Belichcik and Brady have repeatedly cheated requires a tin foil hat…

    but to believe all the other owners, with the commish and ESPN got into a big room and decided to bring down the Pats, despite the negative repercussions against the golden goose and their own investments, makes sense…

    well now, who needs a tin foil hat?

    Forever branded as cheaters*********

  123. The punishments handed out by the NFL were harsh. Harsh enough? Obviously that’s up for debate, but in this day and age, no team will ever receive much harsher unless it involves betting on themselves to lose games.

  124. Patriots fans stop saying that this was legal at the time! It wasn’t!!!

    “Then the Patriots’ coach, Bill Belichick, the cheating program’s mastermind, spoke. He said he had merely misinterpreted a league rule, explaining that he thought it was legal to videotape opposing teams’ signals as long as the material wasn’t used in real time. Few in the room bought it. Belichick said he had made a mistake — “my mistake.””

    What do you have to say to this Patriots fans???

  125. I remember Panthers’ players saying it was if the Patriots were in their huddle when calling plays. It is now clear they had cheated and knew the Panthers calls prior to the Super Bowl. Freakin’ cheaters!

  126. Too bad taking Super Bowl trophies away doesn’t exist in the NFL. Goodell is too clueless to even think about doing it to a cheating hack known as the New England Cheaters.

  127. “So what do you have to say about this Pats’ fans?”

    1. There’s no proof.

    2. Everyone does it.

    3. It didn’t make a difference to the outcome of the game.

    Sound familiar? It’s the same three responses that they use every time their team gets busted cheating.

  128. OK I am going to make this crystal clear. Yes the Pats cheated in 07 and were caught. But Spying was rampant throughout the league for generations. HC Shula was known for this with the Dolphins. In 06 Goodell takes power. He cracksdown on spying. one yr later Belichick is caught pats are dealt with. My sources say that Goodell was livid over the diss that he felt like Belichick laid on him and that remains to this day. He does not like Belichick . But spying was very common before 06. So this is not new. Oh spying is about location not about observing. It becomes spying when a person representing another team is at a wrong location. It is scouting when they are at a correct locale

  129. “trying to dig up more dirt on the greatest dynasty ever…espn sucks”

    Actually ESPN has been quite kind to the Yankees.

  130. Tee hee 🙂 Look at Patriot Hater STILL thinking their team belongs on the field with US.

    Poor deluded souls….:)

  131. Patriots fans stop saying that this was legal at the time! It wasn’t!!!

    “Then the Patriots’ coach, Bill Belichick, the cheating program’s mastermind, spoke. He said he had merely misinterpreted a league rule, explaining that he thought it was legal to videotape opposing teams’ signals as long as the material wasn’t used in real time. Few in the room bought it. Belichick said he had made a mistake — “my mistake.””

    What do you have to say to this Patriots fans

    ——

    Belichick is right and yes it was. The rule said you can’t tape when the information is used in game. It wasn’t. So there should have been on problem I mean…that IS what it said.

    Oh it wasn’t in the spirit of the rule? That is not Belichicks problem. That’s the league’s.

    I hope you Wussies and your wuss teams keep crying about the World Champions. 🙂 That way WE will be guaranteed another 15 years of dominance! 🙂

  132. Only problem with this story is it’s complete BS, filming of opponents on game day was allowed from anywhere on the field prior to 2006 ( Patriots violation was where they had the camare not that they had a camara) ,
    As a matter of ” FACT ” filming your opponent on game day is still allowed in 2015 as long as it’s from an nfl approved location.

  133. goawayeverybody says:
    Sep 8, 2015 10:23 AM

    Patriots fans stop saying that this was legal at the time! It wasn’t!!!

    What do you have to say to this Patriots fans???

    Rule was introduced in 2006. Jets & dolphins also were caught breaking the rule, they got a warning with no punishment. Pats get caught:biggest fine ever & loss of draft picks.

    You are allowed to video tape, but not from certain spots. They videotaped from the tunnel, same spot for 30 years. Let it go

  134. ESPN has over 100 employees who were (still are?) active on Ashley Madison. Would you trust their honesty?

  135. goawayeverybody says:
    Sep 8, 2015 10:23 AM

    Patriots fans stop saying that this was legal at the time! It wasn’t!!!

    “Then the Patriots’ coach, Bill Belichick, the cheating program’s mastermind, spoke. He said he had merely misinterpreted a league rule, explaining that he thought it was legal to videotape opposing teams’ signals as long as the material wasn’t used in real time. Few in the room bought it. Belichick said he had made a mistake — “my mistake.””

    What do you have to say to this Patriots fans???
    _______________________________

    It was legal before a memo went out in 2006. In 2007, it wasn’t legal, and Belichick was punished for it. What more is there to say?

    To paraphrase Tom Brady, “Learn the rule book.”

  136. Just because something isn’t illegal doesn’t make it ok if it’s something Immoral and unethical like this.

  137. I think on Thursday night Belichick should ride to the field in a snowplow and go to the middle of the field and deflate a football and video tape the whole thing. 🙂

  138. A 70 year old man can legally have sex with a girl who just turned 18… it’s not illegal but still not right.

  139. PATRIOTSDYNASTYLIVES says:
    Sep 8, 2015 9:23 AM

    How convenient that it comes out 2 days before the Patriots opening night raising a title banner..and right after Brady is exonerated…..who wrote the article ? Mortensen…ESPN is a joke
    ————————————
    Just because the NFL didn’t cross the t’s and dot the i’s DOES NOT exonerate Brady. No one outside of Boston, not even the judge said he was innocent. Nice try though P*ts fans……

  140. “jswheeler says:
    Sep 8, 2015 9:29 AM
    I can’t believe that Kraft is not fighting this in court. It’s slander of his organization.”

    ——————————————————–
    He is not fighting it because the only defense for slander is THE TRUTH!!!

  141. THE GLENDALE ADDRESS

    XLIX-()-XLIX-()-XLIX-()-XLIX-()-XLIX-()-XLIX

    Countless scores and thirteen years ago our football gods brought forth in this league a new dynasty, conceived in excellence, and dedicated to the proposition that all players do their job equally.

    Now the league is engaged in a great civil war, testing p.s.i. to see whether that dynasty, or any dynasty so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great grid iron and battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who would squander their season in vain that that the dynasty might die here. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

    But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate, we can not consecrate, we can not hallow this turf. The players, active and injured, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The league will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the fans, rather, to be dedicated to the unfinished play which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here to support the great task remaining before this dynasty–that in this honored team we take increased devotion to that entertainment for which they gave the last full measure of devotion–that we here highly resolve that this team shall not have struggled in vain–that this dynasty, shall have a new birth of excellence–and that domination of this league, by this dynasty and for this dynasty, shall not perish from the turf.

  142. For people who haven’t read the ESPN OTL report, it condemns Goodell just as much as the Pats.

    Pretty damning details here that owners should think about firing Goodell and voting for a new commissioner who won’t be bought like Kraft bought Goodell.

    This whole things just makes you want to take a shower. Some very slimy people in the Pats organization and the NFL front office.

  143. The real point here is clear: Goodell’s decision to play down and sweep the Spygate cheating scandal under the carpet (using the rationale that not sweeping it under the carpet would be bad for the NFL) created the opposite effect — the cheating AND the sweeping under the carpet combined was/is WORSE for the NFL! The cover ups are almost always worse than the scandals themselves.

    And Goodell STILL didn’t learn that lesson when it came to Deflategate. HE has been HORRIBLE for the NFL. And his poor decision making has only empowered the culture of cheating up in New England even further. (And what is revealed in this article is that while Goodell works for the owners, he influenced owners to stand down because he (erroneously) convinced them it would be better for the league.)

  144. My 2004 Steelers know damn well they lost to a cheater. Earlier in the year..with a rookie QB they dismantled the Patriots. Ben continued to get better and by the Championship game the Steelers were easily the best team in the NFL (15-1). Watching that game you could see Pat defenders placing themselves out of normal alignment smack dab where they knew the play was going. It was sickening. If you ever have a chance to watch that game…view it with a skeptic eye and it’s undeniable.

    The Pats team’s that have won have never been all that talented. They’ve always needed that extra edge to win games. It’s no surprise that once they were exposed they lost those two SB to NYG because they didn’t have that little extra edge. Such a shame that their whole franchise will forever be tainted by this culture of cheating.

  145. bencoates57 says:
    Sep 8, 2015 10:27 AM
    I have one question: if all this was known, why is it being reported NOW some 8 years after the fact?
    ————
    Easy answer, lame azz attempt at saving face while trashing the Pats. When will these fools learn? When will they get it right? I especially love those who still think stealing signals is illegal. It’s not. And, if you think it’s morally wrong you’d better call your team and tell them since they are doing it each and every week.

    Bring it babbeee.

  146. It feels much like the OJ timeline. The court of process exonerates the Pats and OJ. Most rational minds view them as dirty (as the reports flowing out indicate). Now they’re facing the wrath of the court of common sense, just like OJ’s civil trial.

  147. Leave it to the NFL to start smearing again…ONCE they got flattened by Berman the SAME criminals are at it again…..Same source as the 11 out of 12 footballs deflated????
    Seems like the same villains involved…NFSmells

  148. So what, specifically, is the actual cheating? Because the “Spygate” stuff was legal during this time period.

    Everything that’s actually documented/proven to this day is just gamesmanship. Everything else is, literally, unsubstantiated rumor and allegation.

  149. joec44 says:
    Sep 8, 2015 10:40 AM
    PATRIOTSDYNASTYLIVES says:
    Sep 8, 2015 9:23 AM

    How convenient that it comes out 2 days before the Patriots opening night raising a title banner..and right after Brady is exonerated…..who wrote the article ? Mortensen…ESPN is a joke
    ————————————
    Just because the NFL didn’t cross the t’s and dot the i’s DOES NOT exonerate Brady. No one outside of Boston, not even the judge said he was innocent. Nice try though P*ts fans……
    ———–
    How exactly does one exonerate oneself form a lie?

  150. Must’ve been real difficult to get negative anonymous quotes from Super Bowl losers about the Patriots…

    /insert sarcasm

  151. [quote]An ESPN Outside the Lines report, citing interviews with more than 90 sources around the NFL, says that the Spygate cheating lasted “at least 40 games over a period of several seasons from 2000 to 2007,” [/quote] Oh, it was much worse than that. Jimmie Johnson said that when he took over the Dallas Cowboys in 1989, a scout showed him exactly the same technique. Film the sideline coaches and then film the game clock. So, it was not new in 1989.[quote]The report also says that other teams were much more upset about the Patriots’ cheating than they let on,[/quote]But, it would seem, not upset enough to either change their signals, or change which of the three coaches was giving the correct signal on a regular basis, or use an armband whose codes were changed for each game.

    It would seem that the teams were either not all that concerned or were really, really dumb.

    They do not even seem to have used false signals to trick the Patriots. Were the other teams were not smart enough to think of that?

  152. jrob23 says:
    Sep 8, 2015 10:52 AM

    My 2004 Steelers know damn well they lost to a cheater. Earlier in the year..with a rookie QB they dismantled the Patriots. Ben continued to get better and by the Championship game the Steelers were easily the best team in the NFL (15-1). Watching that game you could see Pat defenders placing themselves out of normal alignment smack dab where they knew the play was going. It was sickening. If you ever have a chance to watch that game…view it with a skeptic eye and it’s undeniable.

    The Pats team’s that have won have never been all that talented. They’ve always needed that extra edge to win games. It’s no surprise that once they were exposed they lost those two SB to NYG because they didn’t have that little extra edge. Such a shame that their whole franchise will forever be tainted by this culture of cheating.

    ————

    In that regular season game the Patriots lost Corey Dillion and another defensive player. I cant remember which. The Steelers were also a very good team not surprised the Pats lost the game considering they had won the previous 21 games in a row.

    You’re making stuff up about Pats players in positioning. All of the taping concerned defensive signals not offensive. They lost the AFC Championship, of course theyll complain. The offense has headsets. Audible the play if you think theyre cheating so badly. It just doesnt fit your narrative.

    Those Pats teams were very good on defense.

  153. It’s an ESPN report (11 of 12 balls, 8 years to apologize for Spygate). More propoganda. But anyway…

    Here’s the issue with Spygate that most get wrong.

    Despite the misleading headline that the Patriots were “illegally filming the Jets sideline”, there was NO rule prohibiting WHAT was filmed. Any team could film whatever they wanted. The ONLY videotaping rule in the operations manual had to do with camera location, which Belichick clearly violated. Show me where it says in any league rule book what any team can or cannot film. Don’t bother. You won’t find it. The rules did not prohibit what any team could or could not film.

    The memo that was sent out was to emphasize this rule. While it did include the language “including but not limited to filming offensive and defensive signals”, which is deceiving, it was NOT prohibiting this. It was emphasizing the camera location rules only. The memo also added to the location rule prohibiting places that were “accessible to team staff”. This was to emphasize that you could not view game film in real time. Matt Walsh, the team’s videographer stated during the investigation that he never gave a tape to anyone until AFTER the game. How is it “cheating” if A) what was filmed was not illegal and B) no one watched the game film in real time?

    It is irrelevant how long this went on, per se. If all they were doing was breaking a camera placement rule, then I really think people should calm down.

    Ironically, if this was such a big deal, why didn’t the league change the rules? I remember at the time, the league saying that the rules didn’t need to be changed. They were fine. Ironically again, the NFL DID change the rules a few years later allowing teams to have MORE cameras on the sideline (remember the guys in the green vests?) for “in house productions”. Yeah, nothing could go wrong there!

    Spygate was made into a mountain from a mole hill, and as the ESPN piece states, Deflategate was simply revenge for the perceived “light” punishment for Spygate (Is the max fine for a coach and loss of a 1st round pick a “light” punishment?). That’s all you need to know about Deflategate. It was revenge. Oh, that and that the narrative for both issues were set in motion based on lies. Everyone knows how much Goodell and the league lied in Deflategate, but they also allowed lies to fester in Spygate (filming the walk through and the headline of “illegally filming” that implies you can’t film at all) without correcting them either, which is just a bad as lying.

    You can certainly believe or not believe that Belichick misinterpreted the rule, but what you cannot do is deny that the league LIED in both cases.

  154. LOL. Lets hear the excuses pats fans. 40 games, stomped videos equals cheaters. The real question here is how many games did Tom Shady use deflated footballs. My guess is his entire career.

  155. Deluded Pats fans are whining that the “rule” wasn’t in place. Face facts, Belichick is an amazing coach, one of the best in NFL history. However, he IS a cheater who is encouraged by the owner.

    However, everyone knows from a very young age that stealing is wrong.

  156. This is hilarious and sad at the same time.

    Both sides know where all the skeletons are hidden, so it’s a game of chicken that has no winners.

  157. bspn the worldwide joke of sportscasting

    “Spygate cheating lasted “at least 40 games over a period of several seasons from 2000 to 2007”

    Funny, because prior to 2007 it was not illegal to sideline tape, so other than whining by pathetic losers not sure how that is “cheating”

    Especially since every team steals signals, which is not illegal, to this day. Why do you think coaches cover their mouths with play cards to avoid lip readers ?

    But that’s the standard now. The Pats do something legal and its called “cheating”. Other teams do things that are illegal and its largely or totally ignored.

  158. Honestly, I don’t believe any of the teams, the NFL front office, ESPN, even this site. There have been so many lies that you can’t believe anything in or involved with this clown car league. I just really don’t care about pro football anymore. It is all an illusion, they just want your money and for you to sit in front of a TV on Sunday.

  159. In the end all I see here is for months ESPN has been faced with questions of credibility. For months the NFL has been faced with questions of credibility. Instead of coming out an acknowledging the falsehood perpetrated by both organizations they have decided to instead to continue to engage in a PR battle by digging up old news. This has never been and never will be about the integrity of the game. It’s about the NFL and ESPN having to be right even when so many times they are wrong.

    #LetsMoveOn
    #FireGoodell

  160. I don’t ever, and I mean EVER want to hear some Pats fan talk about another team’s cheating. I don’t want to hear about stickum, I don’t want to hear about PEDs back when using steroids weren’t against the rules anyway.

    This team is clearly in a league of its own when it comes to stooping down to cheat. Seriously, sending low-level guys into the other team’s locker room to steal play sheets?

    I guess Indy doesn’t sound so paranoid sweeping for bugs now, do they?

  161. Wow, I have a whole new respect for ESPN. What Belichick did is way worse than anything Pete Rose ever did. If he wasn’t a lying sociopath, he would resign over this.

  162. I remember the solution my mother gave me when I said “Well everyone is doing it”. Now we just need one person to jump off a bridge in Massachusetts!!

  163. A. Look at the credibility of the sources ESPN and the NFL yep no reliability issues there

    B so it is ok if other teams cheat and not the Pats no you did not say that but it is not ok for any teams to cheat

  164. If what Mike Martz says about Goodell pressuring him to go along with not pressing the issue is true, then Goodell should be removed from his office.

    Of course, there are already several judgment issues pertaining to Goodell that also justify his removal. This is just another nail in his coffin.

  165. Anyone who EVER thought it was ‘one isolated incident’ is a fool. Just like ‘deflategate’. They are all long standing cheating programs.

  166. lol. They probably were. What most of the jealous whiners do not realize is that taping signals was not the problem. As the rule was written then, you just could not tape them from certain areas. The 2006 memo from the league said that “taping signals” had to stop, but Belichek knew the rule did not say that. So he kept doing it. He did it from the sidelines, which was not a location where taping was allowed, and that was a violation of the rule. So he took a hit. But to say that the Pats won game after game after game after game after division after league after superbowl because they taped from a sideline and not the booth just makes me sad for you. And it is equally sad that the NFL and ESPNquirer is trying to clean the egg off of their face by resurrecting a non-issue.

  167. Where’s the report on all the other teams that taped from the sidelines? The Patriots don’t operate in a vacuum. It’s obvious that anything they did involved personnel who did the same thing for other teams.

  168. It was scouting in legal locales spying in illegal ones. Teams having been doing it since the beginning and it was not enforced til the Pats did it. Oh and the sources? the NFL and ESPN can we say at this point either are credible?

  169. SI says last year:

    “And while the Pats insist Spygate is ancient history, other teams aren’t so sure. During one Patriots road game last season their opponent suspected a man was illegally videotaping them with an iPhone from the visiting sideline. The man wasn’t wearing New England team gear, but the people who were filming during Spygate often weren’t wearing team gear either. It felt too much like Spygate II for the home team’s liking, and the man was kicked out of the stadium. James says the team is unaware of any such incident and is sure “it never happened with a Patriots employee.”

  170. I didn’t realize that America has become such a mean and low country! jealousy, viper and mean. You are not talking about sports, you are disgracing yourself by defaming a great team.

  171. When are people going to learn … ESPN is a hack outfit with clearly an ax to grind against the Patriots.

    I read the article online and their sources for most the damaging conclusions are shrouded in secrecy… No names … to way to verify the allegations… If you are read anything by Seth Wikersham… he is as anti Patriots as you can get… going back to the old page two days.

    Same Ol Same Ol from BSPN!!!

  172. ESPN wants to ensure that the Monday Night Football lineup for next year is not full of the Browns, Washington and NY Jets so they are carrying some water for Goodell and his minions.

  173. Given that this came from ESPN, that noted authority on truthfulness and accuracy, and that they have already apologized to the (my) Pats for previous inaccuracies, I’m going to sit back and watch this one.

    Pats haters – the floor is yours. Have at it, but I’m gonna have to skip- reading your stuff.

  174. I am getting *very* tired of this smear campaign. Just put Goodell and/or Mortensen in pads and let Gronk chop block them.

    And now the PFT mouth-breathers are back being against the Patriots now, after being against ESPN and the NFL. Try critical thinking.

  175. And I’m sure every single ex-Patriots player was sworn to secrecy? Even when joining the competition? More ESPN BS.

  176. Kids watch this game. No one needs to hear that their hero was involved in cheating. Whether it’s true or not. Settle it outside of the media, so the fans can enjoy the game.

  177. Patriots fans will dismiss this as poor sportsmanship on the part of losing teams. Anti-New England fans will point to all of this as “proof” that they have been right all along.

    In the end, the opinions of both sides won’t mean a damn thing, and all of the arguments won’t change anyone’s mind. But go ahead and have at it, guys (and gals). The publicity is doing the networks a world of good, but if you think anything you say is going to sway someone away from “the other side,” you are dreaming.

  178. Pure crap. Just like the ESPN reports of 11 of 12 balls being 2# underinflated. Fact is that the rule they got dinged for wasn’t in place until the 2007 season and the only reason they got dinged was that their camera was in the wrong location.

    This has the fingerprints of a cheesed off Goodell angry with Kraft’s franchise going “rogue” with leaked emails and public announcements.

  179. ray1950- you are absolutely correct. This is a subject where opinions are near-totally dependent on what your favorite team is. If you don’t like the Patriots, you’re going to call them cheaters. Ignorance at play, here.

  180. Lol @ fans with the slander comments. You have to have a good name to be slandered. This organization is so low down in the dirt. That I dub them the Pathetics.

    Hatred for ESPN, you know what they say. The truth hurts.

    And pointing fingers at Shula. The coach who was once brought a playbook found in his own teams locker room left by the opposing team. Shula promptly tossed it in the trash. Where in this report the Pathetics had lowlife’s scouring threw the trash of their opponents teams to find the same type of material.

  181. LOL @ all the “it’s just a NFL conspiracy against the Patriots!” comments.

    Yeah, this is just another “conveniently timed leak” from the NFL, even though it makes the commissioner look like even more of a complete buffoon than before. Totally logical…

  182. Frankly, Van Natta and Wickersham’s article is sensation-mongering. It tells us nothing we don’t already know, or haven’t already intuited, and uses compositional sleight of hand to unsettle certain facts. Take, e.g., the bit about New England’s taping, or not, of the Rams’ pre-Super Bowl walkthrough:

    “Walsh confessed that after the Patriots’ team picture, he and at least three other team videographers lingered around the Louisiana Superdome, setting up cameras for the game. Suddenly, the Rams arrived and started their walk-through. The three videographers, in full Patriots apparel, hung around, on the field and in the stands, for 30 minutes. Nobody said anything. . . . That night, Walsh reported what he had seen to Patriots assistant coach Brian Daboll. . . .”

    Note the dramaturgical placement of “setting up cameras for the game” right before the Rams suddenly arrive for the walkthrough. The cameras were there . . . and so were the Rams. Get it? And notice that we’re reminded twice in a small textual space that Walsh and his accomplices were “videographers.” Lest we forget what they did for a living.

    Had the cameras been rolling, the Rams might have asked the guys in Patriots gear to get the hell out of there (as the Rams should have done anyway). And if the cameras had been rolling, Walsh, presumably, would have had tape to show Brian Daboll, instead of having to tell him what he’d seen. But Van Natta and Wickersham want to suggest that there was more to the incident than we’ve been led to believe, that maybe the Boston Herald was on to something way back when, and they shape their material accordingly.

    I’d call Van Natta and Wickersham’s piece muckraking but there’s no muck being raked. It’s just leftovers with a little extra ketchup.

  183. I think history means something.

    The Patriots have sustained excellence over 15 years.

    Most of those insinuating something about them were not even one-hit wonders.

  184. Not a fan of any AFC east team, but boy I can’t wait to hear the fans in these cities scream “CHEATERS” every time the patriots have the ball!!!
    Trust me it IS going to happen! Especially in New York. Kind of makes you wonder how brady has a winning record against all teams(including playoffs) except for one team. I’ll spare you the google search: Denver Broncos!

  185. and of course, all the “Patriots cheating” articles since Deflategate became Framegate/Stinggate have come from where? ESPN, the NFL’s mouthpiece.

  186. Yeah, this is just another “conveniently timed leak” from the NFL, even though it makes the commissioner look like even more of a complete buffoon than before. Totally logical…
    ===
    No one has called Roger Goodell smart.

  187. Given the source – ESPN, who recently apologized to the Pats for false reporting, and given a remark I saw in the Boston Herald, that Belichik has taken up residence in the heads of lots of the opposing coaches and GMs and players, I find this quite amusing.

    There is also the strong possibility that this whole thing could be part of a high-level conspiracy (just half kidding) cooked up by the NFL and ESPN to keep public attention from another issue – the increasing number of former players whose health is deteriorating really fast because of concussions suffered during their careers.

    The NFL report on “The Strange Case of the Deflated Balls” was 243 pages long, which makes it, according to Joe Posnanski, more than 200 pages longer than the NFL report on former players’ concussions.

    You want to know which is more important to the NFL? There’s your answer.

    How many of you even know that Eric Kramer, who used to play QB for the Bears among other teams, tried to kill himself a few weeks ago because of depression brought on by the concussions he suffered while playing?

    How many care?

  188. letsgobuffalo4 says:
    Sep 8, 2015 9:58 AM

    Well no one gets caught their FIRST time cheating, you knew it was more than one game that this happened.

    ============================

    Figures, a Buffalo fan who’s been beaten like a red headed stepchild by the Patriots over the years would make this up.
    Mathmatically it is IMPOSSIBLE to have taped more than ONCE!
    Get this- LEGAL until 2007. ONE game into 2007 , the patriots were caught, so it’s impossible to have cheated more than once. Good try on rearranging the facts though- not.

  189. Not a fan of any AFC east team, but boy I can’t wait to hear the fans in these cities scream “CHEATERS” every time the patriots have the ball!!!
    Trust me it IS going to happen! Especially in New York. Kind of makes you wonder how brady has a winning record against all teams(including playoffs) except for one team.

  190. gf19711 says:
    Sep 8, 2015 3:50 PM

    LOL @ all the “it’s just a NFL conspiracy against the Patriots!” comments.

    Yeah, this is just another “conveniently timed leak” from the NFL, even though it makes the commissioner look like even more of a complete buffoon than before. Totally logical…
    ———————-

    Actually, it’s a full-frontal assault.

    Boss Goodell’s buffoonery was confirmed sometime ago.

    The league office has ceased being logical. No league office of any other professional sports league would be actively participating in an ongoing scheme to discredit one of it’s member teams.

    It’s the most unethical and unprofessional thing I can recall in modern sports history.

  191. The Dolphins had tapes of the Pats’ signals (and Brady’s audibles) back in 2006 — well before “Spygate” was even a glint in Goodell’s eye. Of course, absolutely nothing was done then. Said ESPN’s own reporter John Clayton at the time: “Teams are always trying to steal signs and signals off other teams. That’s just football.”

    This latest salvo from ESPN is nothing but a blatant hit piece — an attempt to salvage the network’s “reputation” for all the lousy Deflategate “reporting” they’ve churned out since January. How deep into wanton hackery do these guys need to descend before they self-combust?

  192. I have to say that we in the United States have some of the stupidest most easily manipulated idiots on the face of the planet.

    Please, people, go back and look up the history about Spygate. There is nothing in here about what the Patriots did that wasn’t reported back in 2007. Nothing.

    The only thing new is details about how when and why Goodell ordered the tapes destroyed.

    Please people, for your own sake, start taking things from ESPN with a grain of salt.

  193. thechickenexpress says:
    Sep 8, 2015 4:29 PM
    Frankly, Van Natta and Wickersham’s article is sensation-mongering. It tells us nothing we don’t already know, or haven’t already intuited, and uses compositional sleight of hand to unsettle certain facts. Take, e.g., the bit about New England’s taping, or not, of the Rams’ pre-Super Bowl walkthrough:

    “Walsh confessed that after the Patriots’ team picture, he and at least three other team videographers lingered around the Louisiana Superdome, setting up cameras for the game. Suddenly, the Rams arrived and started their walk-through. The three videographers, in full Patriots apparel, hung around, on the field and in the stands, for 30 minutes. Nobody said anything. . . . That night, Walsh reported what he had seen to Patriots assistant coach Brian Daboll. . . .”

    Note the dramaturgical placement of “setting up cameras for the game” right before the Rams suddenly arrive for the walkthrough. The cameras were there . . . and so were the Rams. Get it? And notice that we’re reminded twice in a small textual space that Walsh and his accomplices were “videographers.” Lest we forget what they did for a living.

    Had the cameras been rolling, the Rams might have asked the guys in Patriots gear to get the hell out of there (as the Rams should have done anyway). And if the cameras had been rolling, Walsh, presumably, would have had tape to show Brian Daboll, instead of having to tell him what he’d seen. But Van Natta and Wickersham want to suggest that there was more to the incident than we’ve been led to believe, that maybe the Boston Herald was on to something way back when, and they shape their material accordingly.

    I’d call Van Natta and Wickersham’s piece muckraking but there’s no muck being raked. It’s just leftovers with a little extra ketchup.
    ————

    This isn’t even new information. Walsh reported this back in 2008 and it was already in the news.

  194. When does Florio start doing these articles on this NE topic that has surfaced today? Only when 51% of the 90 sources are discredited?
    Goodell did Pats righteous with his soft Spygate ruling.
    Pats and their fans had to love him for that.
    Now Goodell MarciaClarkes the Deflategate investigation and those same fans want his head to roll.
    Classic love/hate relationship.
    Goodell = Vince McMahon
    Belichik/Brady/Ernie Adams = Bonds Lance Armstrong etc

  195. Sounds like a culture of cheating and extreme arrogance. Almost to the point where they had an offensive, defensive, and cheating coordinator. Can’t wait to see the difference in fumbles lost, especially at home, for the dynasty of deceit.

  196. “The Dolphins had tapes of the Pats’ signals (and Brady’s audibles) back in 2006 — well before “Spygate” was even a glint in Goodell’s eye. Of course, absolutely nothing was done then. Said ESPN’s own reporter John Clayton at the time: “Teams are always trying to steal signs and signals off other teams. That’s just football.””

    This is your comparison? Lets have a look at this. It is still on the internet.

    ” coach Nick Saban said his club simply watched TV replays of Brady in an attempt to decipher the calls.
    One Miami defender said it is common practice to take a TV tape of a game and enhance the volume to try to hear the quarterback’s signals. The so-called “coaching” tapes supplied by the league to teams do not include audio. Television tapes often capture a quarterback’s calls at the line of scrimmage because of the parabolic microphones used on the sideline.

    Despite the attention garnered by the story, most league observers dismissed the importance of whatever the Dolphins did and chose to attribute the shutout victory to superior execution.

    The Dolphins limited the Patriots to 12 first downs and 189 yards and held Brady to 78 passing yards and a passer rating of 55.1 while sacking him four times.”

    VS

    ““There is nothing illegal about what Miami did. However, the Patriots got caught doing something early in the year they weren’t supposed to be doing. They had a man on their sideline dressed in coaching attire with a video camera who was presumably videotaping the other team’s signals. You can’t do that. They were warned. If it happens again, they’re going to be disciplined.”

  197. raidernation210 says:
    Sep 8, 2015 9:22 AM
    That’s why Goodell is going after them for DeflateGate because he gave them a slap on the wrist for cheating the first time.

    Can’t wait to read these losers comments defending this

    ———————————————————————

    Winners, buddy. Winners. We aren’t all OAK fans.

  198. This is low even by Goodell’s standards. Brady’s ridiculous punishment for nothing is overturned, and Goodell fires back by rehashing old news to discredit the franchise in any way he can due to sour grapes from being wrong.

    All this is, is him cow-towing to the other owners who have amazing resentment of the Patriots success over the years, and that they view him as Kraft’s buddy. He’s desperately trying to gain favor with the majority of owners who pay him his much undeserved salary. What a joke.

  199. fanofpft says:
    Sep 8, 2015 8:55 PM

    “The Dolphins had tapes of the Pats’ signals (and Brady’s audibles) back in 2006 — well before “Spygate” was even a glint in Goodell’s eye. Of course, absolutely nothing was done then. Said ESPN’s own reporter John Clayton at the time: “Teams are always trying to steal signs and signals off other teams. That’s just football.””

    This is your comparison? Lets have a look at this. It is still on the internet.

    ——————
    Genius, it’s not a comparison — it’s a statement about where ESPN’s priorities truly reside in pumping up this fake “story.” Plenty have already said it: there’s no “news” being broken here about Spygate. This latest dumpster fire is just a cover for ESPN to paste over its shoddy reporting on Deflategate. After all, the story’s entire premise rests on Goodell’s punishment being “payback” for supposedly going light on the Pats back in 2007. If you actually believe that, then you’re obligated to believe Brady was in fact railroaded by the NFL. So which is it?

  200. The Patriots have been cheating for the entire Belichick era. I give Brady a pass because he learned how to cheat from the master and profited from it greatly. Kraft money can clean up many wrongs. Living in the backyard of ESPN helps too. The 2000 Rams beat the Patriots easily without videos and cheating. I feel for all the other teams caught up in Belichick’s ego and cheating. Follow the money and
    you’ll know why this continues.

  201. sonhoodoo says:
    Sep 8, 2015 7:03 PM
    I have to say that we in the United States have some of the stupidest most easily manipulated idiots on the face of the planet.

    Please, people, go back and look up the history about Spygate. There is nothing in here about what the Patriots did that wasn’t reported back in 2007. Nothing.

    The only thing new is details about how when and why Goodell ordered the tapes destroyed.

    —-

    And that detail isn’t even true. Goodell didn’t destroy the tapes immediately. He showed them to members of the press. Check out Michael Hurley’s twitter feed.

    The NFL has reached a size where they don’t care whether their stories are true or not. It would be nice if fans noticed that. Certainly there is plenty of evidence.

  202. ““There is nothing illegal about what Miami did. However, the Patriots got caught doing something early in the year they weren’t supposed to be doing. They had a man on their sideline dressed in coaching attire with a video camera who was presumably videotaping the other team’s signals. You can’t do that. They were warned. If it happens again, they’re going to be disciplined.”

    Problem is that there wasn’t a rule against it.

    You may have noticed that Goodell isn’t really the kind of guy who keeps careful track about what is or isn’t against the rules. He apparently decided in 2006 that there was a rule against videotaping signals. So he had Ray Anderson write a memo to that effect. The problem is that Goodell’s office is not empowered to author new rules.

    So Belichick ignored the memo. Wise move? Probably not. Certainly it has led to a decade of headaches of Pats’ fans. But Belichick was the one operating according to the rules. Goodell was in his infant stage of asserting his Cartmanesque “You must respect my authoritay!” attitude.

    So no, a rule saying that you may not use videotaping equipment “in the coaches booth, on the field, or in the locker room” does not prohibit using said equipment on the sidelines. The sidelines are not part of the field – the field is specifically defined by the rulebook.

    And really, what is the moral issue here? That it’s OK to use TV cameras to hear signals but not your own cameras? That it would have been OK if the Patrtiots had simply used a Polaroid and taken stills instead of using a videocamera? With a modern camera, it would be easy to take a series of photos for every single signal used. And that would be legal!!

    What, exactly, is the moral high ground that you want to stand on? The notion that gestures made by coaches in front of tens of thousands of people shouldn’t be noticed by their competitors?

    It’s a ludicrous concept.

  203. ybthatway says:
    Sep 8, 2015 9:19 AM
    So what do you have to say about this Pats’ fans?
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    I’ll tell you exactly what I have to say…filming from the sidelines was only illegal from a memo sent out to the league prior to 2007 so it is impossible that the Pats cheated using “spygate” in 01, 03 & 04. If you want to be a conspiracy theorist that thinkes they taped other team walkthroughs that was a retracted story that only came out from a disgruntled ex-employee in the wake of spygate. I find it funny how there was no mention of Pats cheating until the 1st quarter of the 1st game of 2007 and all of a sudden their team has a culture of cheating? That doesn’t even make sense, to have a “culture of cheating” you would at least have to be repeat offenders but the only thing you have on the Pats is an overblown spygate incident in 2007…hardly a culture of cheating, but go on believing the spoon fed lies of BSPN and take Mortensen’s report as fact SMH.

  204. mrloser444 says:
    Sep 8, 2015 6:15 PM
    Not a fan of any AFC east team, but boy I can’t wait to hear the fans in these cities scream “CHEATERS” every time the patriots have the ball!!!
    Trust me it IS going to happen! Especially in New York. Kind of makes you wonder how brady has a winning record against all teams(including playoffs) except for one team.
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    After Brady and the Pats break the G-men in the regular season this year Brady will have a winning record over them, but you can still have bragging rights for 2 super lucky receptions (Tyree & Manningham)

  205. At the end of the day, if Goodell wanted to properly spank the Patriots, all he needed to do was add the NY Giants to the Patriot’s schedule.

  206. This comes just a few days after Goodell clearly stated on ‘Mike & Mike’ that punishments for ‘deflategate’, had absolutely no link at all with any previous Patriots misconduct (spygate)…….

    NFL needs to make its mind up……. (and find a new commissioner)……

  207. The Pats fans are claiming that the NFL rehashed the Spygate story in retaliation for losing in court. They denounce the league for acting like immature crybabies because they lost the case.
    When the NFL punished the Pats for Spygate, the Pats retaliated by throwing sportsmanship out the window. Running up the score every week, throwing the ball when up by several scores late in the game instead of running the ball and working the clock, going for it on 4th down instead of punting, etc.
    Seems hypocritical to me because the Pats acted vindictive after Spygate, so why can’t the NFL act vindictive, too? Or is it a double standard?

  208. How were the Pats vindictive exactly? Oh yea we crushed all til the SB. No I have sources that tell me that Goodell was livid over the perceived diss from Belichick in 07 and he still fumes to this day over it.

  209. dandeman19 says:

    How were the Pats vindictive exactly? Oh yea we crushed all til the SB.

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    Unsportsmanlike conduct… That’s vindictive.
    Like a child who gets punished for something who then turns around and sets fire to the house.

    “How dare they punish me for breaking the rules! I’ll fix them!”

    Notice how the Saints accepted their Bountygate punishment like men instead of like a willful child.

  210. Extremely hard to even watch the Foxboro Patriots…. Ban Belichick from the league so the world can get past this and trust watching a Pats game again

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