Source: Pats have requested reinstatement of Jastremski and McNally

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On Monday, NFL executive V.P. of football operations Troy Vincent said the league “hasn’t heard” from the Patriots regarding the reinstatement of John Jastremski and Jim McNally, the two employees suspended indefinitely after the Ted Wells report emerged in May. On Tuesday, the league confirmed that the Patriots have not made that request.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the Patriots have indeed asked for the employees to be reinstated.

The request was made on or before late Monday afternoon. It definitely was made before Tuesday; it possibly was made before Vincent said the league hadn’t heard from the Patriots.

It’s also possible that the people who have said the request wasn’t made weren’t told that a request had been made. Either way, the request has been made.

Jastremski and McNally became critical figures in the case due to text messages they exchanged in the weeks and months prior to the January 2015 AFC Championship Game. With McNally calling himself “the deflator” and other messages suggesting that McNally may have been letting air out of footballs in exchange for shoes and signed memorabilia, Wells made assumptions about their activities without getting either to confess to anything.

Of course, the inability to get a confession from McNally could be a result of the failure of Wells and his team to notice the most potentially damning text message while preparing for the official McNally interview as part of the investigation. The Patriots then refused to make McNally available a second time, to answer questions about the text messages that Wells had before the prior interview.

It’s also possible that McNally made no confession because there was nothing to confess.

Regardless, the facts and circumstances cry out for something more from these two men, which makes the failure to put them under oath at the Tom Brady appeal hearing even more inexplicable.

The NFL Players Association didn’t call either guy to testify, ostensibly because their testimony had no impact on the major arguments advanced on Brady’s behalf — that the NFL couldn’t suspend him for the conduct for which he was accused. But the NFL, in a case presented by Lorin Reisner, a member of the very investigative team that wanted to question McNally again but couldn’t, chose not to ask Goodell to command their attendance but instead to play “gotcha” with the NFLPA’s position that they didn’t need to testify.

Most surprisingly, the man presiding over the appeal hearing lacked the natural curiosity to hear their stories and to observe their demeanor. Here’s what Roger Goodell told ESPN Radio on Tuesday: “I asked both parties towards the end of the hearing whether I should hear from them directly. Both parties, well particularly, the union side, said it was not necessary. They didn’t feel it was a necessary step and the Management Council side said we think we have sufficient information, but the fact that the union doesn’t want you to hear from them should be taken into account. I think they are important figures in this but chose not to go any further with it at that point.”

Goodell never explained why he chose not to go any further at that point. And there’s no good explanation for it. Jasmtremski and McNally traded the text messages that became the hard evidence from which major assumptions were drawn regarding the existence of a scheme to deflate footballs. Neither testified under oath. McNally was never questioned in any setting by the NFL or its investigators regarding the “deflator” text.

In a case that features plenty of bad decisions from everyone involved, the decision of the arbitrator not to require Jastremski and McNally to testify at the Brady appeal hearing sits at the very top of the list.

265 responses to “Source: Pats have requested reinstatement of Jastremski and McNally

  1. I really want the Pats to still unveil the Brady banner on Thursday.

    This is also proof that the NFL requested their suspension since they cannot be reinstated without approval.

  2. Only because still need someone to deflate the balls for Brady this season. Brady 2015 will be his worst year statistically speaking. Father Time always wins.

  3. Makes sense. They never would have been suspended by the Pats but the league demand it. And I am also sure that Vincent is lying, because that’s what Roger’s toadies do.

  4. Wow! Can you imagine what kind of backlash the league will get if they let these guys have their old jobs back?

  5. HAHA YA BABY!! Lets get our boys back!! Its funny how much real estate the pats own in “the lesser 31’s” heads. Warm Gatorade?!?!?! ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!! Cry more losers.

  6. The fact that the lion’s share of the cheating (stealing playsheets out of the locker room, illegal filming, doctoring the balls) is done by low level employees is all part of the genius of the “Patriot’s Way” You have to show some loyalty to those that do your dirty work and this is a sign of just that.

  7. Goodell, who was documented to have lied about the content of Brady’s texts to these guys, should now be believed about why he chose not to speak with them directly?

    Cant we all just agree that Goodell and the NFL are now actively smearing the Patriots after Brady won in court? These “new” reports all come out within a week of Brady winning in court, yet this is a coincidence? Is this not obviously smear campaign?

  8. More foot-in-mouth disease for the NFL office.

    Does anyone know what anyone else is doing in that building? What a circus it’s become under Goodell.

  9. Agreed. It made no sense not to call them in. Imagine the police investigating an incident where two principal eyewitnesses/participants are identified but then never required to provide information under oath.

  10. Their text messages, and Brady’s, make clear that they were deflating footballs. And a judge letting Brady off on some technicalities won’t change the fact that the Pats are a cheating organization–and have been for a long time. Sneaking into opposing team locker rooms to steal play sheets? Blatantly abusing the substitution rule to score on the Ravens. Only the Pats would do that. No respect for Belichick or anybody in that organization.

  11. “Of course, the inability to get a confession from McNally could be a result of the failure of Wells and his team to notice the most potentially damning text message while preparing for the official McNally interview as part of the investigation. The Patriots then refused to make McNally available a second time, to answer questions about the text messages that Wells had before the prior interview.”
    ———

    One thing to note here is that the Patriots asked what the questions would be about and Wells would not tell them. The Patriots declined the second interview based solely on the ground rules they and Wells established at the beginning and not because of the content of the questions. They didn’t know what the content was and Wells didn’t/wouldn’t tell them.

  12. Any chance Goodell announced last week he would not attend the NFL season kickoff game at Foxborough because he knew the NFL was actively making up stories to be distributed through their broadcast partner (ESPN) which would incite the local fans?

  13. Ted Wells made a big deal about how he wanted to speak to McNally and the Pats denied him. It was a big talking point for the NFL on why the Pats were guilty and they felt if they were able to confront McNally about the “deflator” text, the whole house of cards would crumple.

    When given the opportunity to do so in the appeal, they weren’t interested hearing from him. It is clear to anyone objective to know the NFL never wanted to speak to McNally because they don’t think he will crack. They knew the storyline that the Pats and the NFLPA were hiding him was more damaging than anything he would say.

  14. Right so a major element of noncooperation was not making him available for a fourth or fifth interview. Yet given the chance to call them to New York, the NFL not only declines but also implies a simitate lack of interest from their legal adversary will be held agst them.

    Just this week Goodell said Spygate and deflategate were totally separate. But doesn’t the Vincent letter ,punishment emotion Spygate ?

    Liars

    North Korea.

  15. that was the most mind boggling part of all of this..why on earth were these 2 men not questioned under oath..so many questions could of been answered…just mind blowing.

  16. I do not believe the Wells team missed the “deflator” comment before they interviewed him…..in an investigation called DeflateGate.

    I believe Wells purposely held off on asking about it until he could get as much information as possible from everyone, with the additional benefit that he could say they didn’t cooperate if he wasn’t allowed to interview again.

    There should have been a red ribbon hanging off the page that had that “deflator” text on it. I think it was a tactical move that in the end paid off by using the “did not fully cooperate” angle.

  17. It seems so obvious to have these 2 testify that I think the only explanation is that Goodell knew nothing was going on and that this would hurt his case

  18. How can anyone trust what the league says or does?

    Hey, even based on yesterdays “news” the league was covering stuff up, altering Martz’s statement, and destroying evidence. Yet the anti-Pats people still want to believe it all and bash the Pats.

    The league is corrupt. Open your eyes.

  19. Re-instate them for what? They already made all the money they could for what they were paid to do, and the new NFL rules along with opponents taking steps to thwart Foxboro spies make their old jobs null & void.

  20. Goodell is playing games here.

    If he wanted to know, it is his duty to check. The NFLPA said correctly that their being at the appeal had nothing to do with their arguments regarding Goodell’s authority to lay down an arbitrary punishment. Wells didn’t even include their interviews in the report.

    Also, I am not entirely sure that the NFL didn’t ask them about the texts. I am not sure when they got the phones but I think the 3 NFL interviews were all held in the first week prior to the announcement of the “investigation” so it may be true they didn’t know about the texts during those interviews.

  21. .
    When faced with the option of truth or spin, the PR man (like Goodell) will always choose spin because that’s what they’re hardwired to do.

    To attempt to accumulate a list of the ways in which the league office has spun half truths, innuendo and hearsay would be dizzying.
    .

  22. Goodell said he wanted Brady’s phone after Well$ told Brady they did not need his phone.

    Whatever Goodell says about Jamenskri & McNally we know it is a LIE consistent with all of Goodell’s lies.

    Goodell the LIAR = sucks to be you the believer.

  23. Goodell and the NFL continue to lie and pass the buck for their failures but since he is going after the Patriot’s, the loser owners and fans don’t care about the incompetence. Now we are finding out that deflate gate is a frame job to appease the other owners not happy about the spygate punishment. This league is going down and this is the start.

  24. The NFL should agree to reconsider reinstatement for Jastremski and McNally – as soon as they testify – under oath – about what really happened when the balls were taken into the field lavatory.

  25. Whenever you hear the word “source”……..take it with a grain of salt, more than likely it’s a lie……ask Tim Graham from the Buffalo News about the word “source”……….and he will tell you the GM when rogue on Fred Jackson without the owners knowing anything………huge lie. That’s what source stands for in today’s sports reporting.

  26. Seems obvious that the league realized fairly soon in the process that they had an extremely weak case. However, rather than admit that and take their lumps, they gambled Brady would just accept the punishment rather than go through the hassle of fighting it. Goodell didn’t do further interviews with Jastremski and McNally because he knew that their statements would emphasize that the league had completely screwed this up.

  27. All the Ravens and Colts fans out there who thought the Patriots fired these two and then stashed them in a yurt somewhere in Kyrgyzstan are thinking: Uh . . . what?

    Don Van Natta and Seth Wickersham might suggest that Goodell’s failure to get after the Pats’ equipment guys a second time is just further evidence of his sub rosa support of and collusion with his good buddy Robert Kraft. Look like he’s a shark that smells blood, but then deliberately muff the investigation. Subtle, Goodell. Very subtle.

  28. The NFL asked to suspend JJ and JM………it was the PATRIOTS who decided to fire them so Goodell and Wells had zero access to them b/c they werent employees of the NFL anymore. This is one of the more ridiculous ploys to look innocent. They were never forced to fire ANYONE!

  29. Let’s keep in mind the ‘damaging’ text was sent 8 months before the AFC championship slapdown…

    when we, as a society, grab our pitchforks and chase people simply because they are better than us, more successful than us, then we are nothing but a hating jealous mob.

    Brady is the greatest and no amount of jealousy can change that.

  30. There is a key text from Jastremski to McNally after the 2014 Jets game, where Jastremski told McNally that the refs screwed the Patriots because the balls were pumped up to 16 PSI. Now explain to me how can the refs screw a team that was secretly deflating footballs? They can’t. That is strong evidence that there was no deflating of footballs prior to that 2014 Jets game. The texts you mention above all happened prior to this text after the Jets game.

  31. Hello, is anyone home at 345 Park Ave. NY.

    If there is, apparently they are incompetent.

    And for you losers out there who keep parroting that the Pats fired them (Ball boys), for about the 100th time the NFL ordered them suspended. Yes 345 Park Ave. N.Y. ordered them suspended.

  32. Again, as Goodell said on Mike and Mike yesterday, if the NFL did not tell the Patriots to fire or suspend these two guys, why do the Patriots have to ask the NFL for permission to re-instate them?

  33. Look,

    Brady was cleared.

    However,

    Those texts were the most interesting part of this that were never really explained. I would love to know why this guy would call himself “the deflator.”

  34. They cost the organization $$$, picks and reputation and Kraft wants to bring them back?

    You know why I would want these 2 reinstated if I was NE? If they had information that could hurt me. They joked about serving up Watermelons and Rugby balls to Brady, they broke rules and violated protocol.

    These two have been handled with kid gloves.

    I get wanting to jam the NFL in the eye by bringing them back but think that message gets lost in this reinstatement request.

  35. If the two men could have added anything to Goodell’s attack they would have been there. Goodell had nothing and did not want to reinforce it.

    As far as the Players, what additional help could they get from having them re-state what that the did not do any thing wrong.

    Goodell’s statement is brilliant. Neither side wanted to talk to the two men and he managed to shine an incriminating light on the Players. Not one reporter even noticed. People are so dumb.

  36. Once again…Goodell let the Patriots off the hook. After all, this was always about more than just a 4 game suspension. Had the cheating been proven the way it should have, it would have opened to the door to demands to strip the super bowl “win” from the Patriots. So it’s yet another example of sweeping the dirt under the carpet when it comes to the New England Patriots. This whole charade has been nothing but smoke and mirrors. That’s why a congressional investigation is warranted; it’s the only way the public will ever know the truth.

  37. Apparently, the Pats are as tone deaf as their fans.

    The judge didn’t say you didn’t do anything wrong, AT ALL. He just said the process was not fair. He made no determination, and even went out of his way to not give an opinion of guilt or innocence.

    Even if that wasn’t true, the NFL is not going to reinstate these shady dudes while they are still appealing, and most likely not after that either since the judges opinion does not effect them in the least

  38. The Patriots want them reinstated because they are innocent and have nothing to hide. Not once in these text messages was there even an inkling that Brady wanted the balls below 12.5. What nobody has ever been able to answer is if there was any scheme why did the refs in the Jets game illegally overinflate the balls to 16 psi. Can anybody explain that? I’m waiting.

  39. Goodell has shown what an enormous liar he is, so I wouldn’t believe anything he has to say. And he will also be on a tear now to smear the Patriots because of the butt kicking he got in court from Brady.

  40. In every previous case, Goodell has used any available resource to further his position. There is only one reason he chose not to have McNally and Jastremski testify at the appeal. He was told their statements would be damaging to the NFL’s case.
    The man is a compulsive liar as is typical of narcissists. They don’t see it as lying, however. Goodell looks at it simply as another device necessary to advance his cause. And of course his cause is himself.
    Protect the shield and fire Goodell. The man cannot be rehabilitated and so neither can the shield be repaired while under his supervision.

  41. Maybe the Patriots request is hanging out with the Ray Rice video and Goodell’s ‘integrity’ and that’s why 345 Park Ave can’t find it

  42. Pats keep playing this lie out as if they are innocent. Laughable. Nobody but your fans believe you guys did nothing. Everyone else thinks you cheated and nothing will change that. Get used to having that stain perpetually hang over the Brady-Belichik years.

  43. Why not nominate Dumb and Dumber for the Patriots Ring of Honor. John and Jim are clearly just peripheral unfortunate victims. Were they paid off by Brady or the cheese factory?

  44. same guy who didn’t need to see the Ray Rice video before handing down the two game suspension.

    Truly incompetent in any sort of hearing.

  45. When it’s 31 against 1 you have to start to fight back. All the lies by the NFL and the intentional take down of the Pats has to be COMPLETELY exposed. Let these two guys tell the true story unlike the 90 unnamed sources from ESPN who either rehashed 8 year old information or told a story they heard from someone who heard it somewhere else.

  46. Mr. McNally’s goal of losing weight, meant Mr. McNally was the “deflator.” There was nothing complicated or sinister about it.

  47. Why do the Patriots need to seek the permission of the NFL if the NFL had no involvement in their suspension? Once again, you cannot believe a word that comes out of Goodell’s mouth.

  48. Its crystal clear why Goodell didn’t want to hear from them. If their testimony was anything other than “You caught us, we did it”, then the NFL was screwed. On the contrary, not questioning them means that the NFL can say “the union didn’t want them to testify, which sounds shady, doesn’t it?”

    It is the NFL’s general operating procedure. Don’t ask the questions you need answers to, and then claim that the lack of answer is detrimental to the side that didn’t answer.

    Its like when a child doesn’t ask their parents for permission to do something (knowing that they wont receive permission), then they do it, and then when the parent disciplines said child, the child says, “well you didn’t say I couldn’t…”. That is the NFL’s game. The NFL is basically saying, “They didn’t deny anything on the stand so they must be guilty”, even though they were never even part of the proceeding. Its a dangerous and stupid game to play, because you can use that for anything, and the stupid people that love hating the Pats more than they love cheering their own team, believe every word of it.

    I suppose with that being the precedent we are playing with, I could argue that Roger Goodell is a pedophile, based on the fact that Goodell never denied it (he wasn’t given a forum to deny it, nor did he realize it was even being suggested, but that doesn’t matter, right NFL?)

  49. I can’t believe that the legal team actually thought that they had an air tight case! The only down side to calling the two ball boys in to testify is if you were concerned that they would affirm there were no intentional ball deflations in which case your whole case is deflated.

  50. The two guys least to benefit from all this lost their jobs, hopefully with under the table payments.

  51. Did you know what other gems the NFL has dug up?

    1. Belichick was front and center of the Watergate scandal in 1974.
    2. Patriots were the reason the stock market nearly crashed in 2008
    3. Rumor also has it that the Patriots were behind the ridiculous amount of snow that was dumped on the Northeast last winter.

    Stay tuned, the NFL is still throwing mud at the wall to how much will stick!

  52. Florio, as a lawyer you know that once you clear a hurdle you don’t back and jump over it again. That doesn’t mean you are afraid or hiding something. It was up to the NFL to present evidence from the two equipment guys, not for the NFLPA to prove innocence.

    Throughout this case the NFL has lead with no facts, just lies, innuendo, and smears that required Brady to prove he had no knowledge of something that the NFL couldn’t even prove was done. An absurd requirement that meets no known legal requirement.

    It is a disgrace that the NFL is allowed to keep marching out this canard. Heck, the NFL was untruthful about the facts surrounding Wells initial interviews of these men and the number of times they spoke with NFL security (Florio was on that story early), they were untruthful about telling the Patriots to suspend them, and they were untruthful about the Patriots requesting the NFL to allow the team to reinstate them.

  53. I can’t believe that the NFL’s crack legal team actually thought they had an air tight case without anything but circumstantial evidence like text messages from a preseason game. If you really thought the ball boys were altering the balls then call them in, under oath, and question them. If there is even a hint of illegal actions then your case is made. If they implicate Brady then maybe your case can stand in court?

  54. The answer as to why “neutral arbitrator” Goodell didn’t pursue Jastremki & McNally’s appearance is in Goodell’s Appeal Decision, Footnote 7: “However, there is no question, based on the Wells Report, the NFL Security interviews, and other record evidence, that any “exculpatory evidence” offered by Mr. Jastremski or Mr. McNally to the investigators, including their denials of a tampering scheme, is not credible.”

  55. The Patriots not allowing McNally or Jastremski to be questioned again set up the basis for the “lack of cooperation” charges against them. This allowed the actual unsure air pressure situation to take a back seat. By the time of the penalties the NFL knew it might not hold up, so moved the public’s attention to “lack of cooperation”. So Wells not asking about the old texts may have been a strategy.

  56. The reason they stopped questioning the two is because they didn’t do anything wrong. If these two were told by Tom Brady to let air pressure out of the footballs they would be on every news outlet making it rich saying, “yeah, he told us to do it”.

  57. This whole thing has now gone past stupid…And now ESPN puts out an 11,500 page transcript of nothing!

    After checking some statistics it seems that the Patriots have a better record since spygate than before it, and Brady’s stats are better too…

    Explain that ESPN !

  58. warm Gatorade? really?

    i had no idea how weak some of these ‘anonymous’ ESPN sources are. its childish that this warm Gatorade quote even made it into the story. ESPN just plain, ole, sucks.

  59. First off, Goodell is useless. I think we can all agree on that one.

    Second, it’s pretty upsetting that people could defend the Patriots so vigorously. It’s pretty clear that they cheated here; that Brady cheated here. I get it…you’re a Patriots fan. As a Giants fan, if it was Eli, I would try and rationalize his innocence, however, I’m not an idiot. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. Texts just don’t lie. Brady nearly pissing his pants on the podium and contradicting his story doesn’t lie.

    Those trophies are tainted, plain and simple. As far as I’m concerned, that organization will have a black-eye for the foreseeable future. The league will have one too…for being so inept that they couldn’t prove it.

  60. Yesterday Goodell wsnt on four letter network and said the NFL didn’t suspend them. If NFL didn’t suspend them why would the Patriots need to request their reinstatement.

    Brady’s dad was right.

  61. Don’t understand why the Patriots needs the permission to rehire these two guys. According to the spoken “words” of Roger, the NFL had nothing to do with the firing in the first. Oh wait, The Judge and Vincent both cited written languages that explicitly state that the Patriots must fire these two and cannot rehire them without Athens NFL’s permission. Looks like Goodell is running a flawless Front Office.

  62. would be good to see these guys get their jobs back…while I doubt the NFL will allow the Patriots to re-instate them, this will help Jastremski and McNally in their defamation lawsuits against the NFL and Ted Wells.

  63. Why do they have to request it? The Patriots are the ones that fired them in the first place, just rehire them you morons.

  64. I’ll tell you why Goodell chose not to go any further with it. Because they were going to say there was no post-inspection deflation being done to the balls, and that would be made public in the appeal hearing transcripts. And that works against the NFL’s case. Remember, any statements or evidence supporting Tom Brady was left out of the Wells report or buried in a footnote somewhere.
    Oh, and for all you bashers saying why haven’t they been reinstated, the ball is in the NFL’s court (which they seem to be lying about too).

  65. Roger Goodell has stated publicly that the league had nothing to do with the suspension of these two. If that’s true, why must the Patriots apply for league permission to reinstate them? Why wouldn’t Vincent’s answer be that applying for reinstatement wasn’t necessary?

    There’s only one side that’s lied through this process, and it isn’t in New England.

  66. Why would they need the NFL’s permission? Goodell said yesterday the NFL did not require them to be suspended

    Is Roger lying AGAIN???

    Either that or Faye Vincent lied under path saying it’s the NFL’s decision

    It’s tough to keep the liars straight in the NFL offices

  67. Regardless of your position on deflategate there is one thing I think that all football fans can agree on. Roger Goodel is a horrible arbiter.

    When you look at the fact that he didn’t compel Jastremski and McNally to testify at the appeal along with his refusal to allow Pash to be questioned or to turn over the Wells Investigation notes it is quite clear that Goodel is either incompetent, corrupt or both.

  68. “Get your popcorn ready, off to court we go, free our GOAT, we are going to win 19 games.”

    Yep, we’ve heard it all before! I wish you all would go away!

  69. Roger Goodell lies every time he speaks. Why wasn’t their testimony included in the “independent” Wells/Pash Report? Oh that’s right, Pash edited it out. Sad that the NFL has become a vendetta driven league under Goodell. No better than FIFA or wrestling. Bring back Tagliabue!

  70. More lies from the league, how shocking. Hacksaw Goodell and Independence Wells are the rootin’est, tootin’est, obfuscatin’st varmints this side of the Rio Grande-y.

    P.s. The union didn’t ask for their attendance at the hearing because they’d been interviewed multiple times and nobody knew Goodell would completely change the basis for the suspension once the original “facts” eroded in the light of day. Berman specifically ate his lunch on this point.

  71. The Master of Boobery, aka…the “owner’s representative against all players” is incompetent, is vindictive, and unfit to be point man of the NFL.
    Yesterday’s league sanctioned character assassination of the Patriots is a desperate ploy by Goodell to flip his debilitating court failures into righteous pursuits of justice.
    The NFL and their mouthpiece ESPN are integrated weapons bent on destroying NE’s reign of success by any means possible….coordinated stings, manufactured evidence, kangaroo court proceedings, slander.
    Please owner’s….. your commissioner is turning your league into a clown show.

  72. So how much weight did he lose?

    Also (sorry I’m in wrong in this), but if the league didn’t force the Pars to suspend them, why do the Pats need to request permission to reinstate them?

    Tom needs an answer ASAP. Game is coming up.

  73. Thank You Bill Belichick! I enjoyed watching the Patriots dominate for the last 15 years. Keep up the good work and here’s to another winning season this year! I hope all of you enjoyed it also! LOL
    LETS GO PATRIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  74. Mike Florio said:

    “And there’s no good explanation for it. Jasmtremski and McNally traded the text messages that became the hard evidence from which major assumptions were drawn regarding the existence of a scheme to deflate footballs. ”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    How does the use of a single word used in a text message, sent in the off season eight months before the suspected ball tampering occurred, with no direct context to the accusations of tampering with footballs after being approved, constitute “hard” evidence.

    It is the softest of soft evidence. One must make a giant leap (based on a a predisposed presumption of guilt) to assume that he called himself “The Deflator” because he was nefariously and illegally tampering with game balls after approval. There is no evidence that suggests such a thing ever happened.

  75. It was Brady’s appeal – if they had any information that would have exonerated him, he and the NFLPA should have had them testify. Anyone with a single brain cell knows why they didn’t. I’m sure they could have come up with innocent explanations for all of the texts that clearly showed that it was a longstanding deflation process. Read the texts, and remember that McNally had NO responsibilities to ever add or remove air from a football. Since Brady’s reputation is forever tarnished basically by the texts between these two, if everything was above board, then Brady and his lawyers are IDIOTS if they didn’t bring these two guys in to set the record straight. But they’re not idiots. Blah blah blah – ideal gas law, witch hunt, faulty process… Just someone give a rational, plausible explanation for the texts. We’re waiting…

  76. Stop pointing the finger at the NFL. You cheated again, you got caught and one paid off judge doesn’t change that. All you have to do is look at the change in Brady’s fumble numbers to know he’s been illegally deflating footballs since 2007. Coincidentally I’m sure, this is the same period when he went from being Trent Dilfer to a HOFer statistically.

    But I’m sure that’s a coincidence too.

  77. Of course. Let’s make it like nothing ever happened. Why not let everyone involved in the cheating slip through the legal loophole?

    Sorry, Pats … your “reputation,” such as it is, is forever stained. All your titles are tainted.

  78. Deflategate is a make up call by NFL to punish Patriots for Spygate. I think the Patriots got what they deserved. I don’t care about Goodell but it’s starting to make sense

  79. enzo1030 says:

    “Who else is going to deflate the balls?”

    So far, from everything I’ve read, physics (the Ideal Gas Law) deflated the balls.

    In fact, the Wells/Pash “independent” report states their own expert cannot discount that and furthermore, as Kessler demonstrated in court, if in fact McNally the so called deflater let air out, is was on average, 2 tenths of a pound. Hard to imagine that such a small amount could be accurately gaged by McNally in 90 seconds with 12 balls.

    In one of the footnotes of Berman’s decision, on page 25 he writes rom page 25 of Bermon’s decision

    Q [Court]: I am not sure I understand what in the world that means, that phrase. So, it says: at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities of Mr. McNally and Jastremski involving the release of air from Patriot game balls. So, I don’t know what that is. You know, did he [Brady] know that McNally took the balls unaccompanied into the bathroom? Did he know that in the bathroom, if in fact it happened, McNally deflated the balls?

    (Did you get that? If In Fact It Happened!!!)

    Yep, even the court failed make a factual finding that deflation actually happened.

    I’ll take his knowledge and experience over yours any day of the week.

  80. I wish we knew what a non-cheating Patriots team looked like. I have a feeling it’s similar to what the Cleveland Browns looked like during the bill belichick era.

  81. “The Patriots then refused to make McNally available a second time” – That’s incorrect! They merely said to Wells that it would have to be by phone because the NFL had already pulled him in for interviews FOUR TIMES (3 by league goons, once by Wells himself) and seeing as the guy lived in another town and had a full time job elsewhere it was getting unfair to keep asking him to travel.

  82. Why on earth would Brady’s team want those two to testify? Their whole argument is that nothing happened to the balls. What would they ask them? So, nothing happened to the balls? No. Great. Thanks.
    The NFL, on the other hand, had every reasons to want to question them thoroughly at the appeal. Yet, they chose not to. Maybe they didn’t want to have three people under oath saying nothing happened to the balls? What other reason would they have for not insisting they appear? To make it seem like it was actually the union’s decision and that, as a corollary, the union is hiding something is absurd and fundamentally dishonest.

  83. Look, its not hard. The reason they were omitted from the Wells Report is because they didn’t say anything that was useful for the NFL. So of course the NFL doesn’t need to hear from these two. At the same time, it doesn’t help the Patriots either. Anyone who already believes the Patriots are guilty, would you actually believe these two? Or would you simply say they got paid off or something like that? Their testimony wouldn’t add anything for either side.

    Flip side, I’m glad the Patriots asked for the reinstatement because I totally think its just in spite of the NFL/ESPN report.

  84. yousyourcranium says:
    Sep 9, 2015 9:21 AM

    Just someone give a rational, plausible explanation for the texts. We’re waiting…

    ______________

    Release the Wells notes and rest of the texts from the investigation. Maybe then you’ll get your answer. Instead of cherry picked texts pulled out to paint a picture for you. Let’s get some transparency on that.

  85. yousyourcranium could NOT be more wrong.

    (1) I would say that since your side made the accusations it is your job to explain the texts, and provide any evidence at all that this was real, which your side has clearly failed to do

    (2) You just glance over the little fact that both of these low level employees were interviewed several times by wells, YET SOMEHOW THEIR TESTIMONY IS LEFT OUT OF WELLS REPORT???????? That is inexcusable bias.

    A fair investigation would have included their testimony, and a fair appeal would have had them testifying under oath what they told Wells initially: That they did nothing wrong.

    I believe in focusing on objective facts, and the objective facts in this case in NO way could lead any reasonable man to conclude that such a conspiracy existed, let alone that Brady was a part of it, especially since there is a VERY REASONABLE AND LIKELY ALTERNATIVE EXPLANATION FOR WHY THE BALLS WERE DEFLATED that involves known scientific principles

  86. Interesting. The Patriots fire McNally and Jastremski months ago. When it’s subsequently pointed out that it made no sense to terminate McNally and Jastremski if they did nothing wrong — the Patriots resurface to petition to have them back in the league.

    That team is filthy, and 95% of people who aren’t Patriot coaches, players, fans or supporters gets that.

  87. Not a shred of proof of anything by ESPN or SI, just accusations, suspicions, and conjecture. In the league’s head. In the opposing teams’ heads. I love this. Battle is half won already.

  88. The NFL Network used the term “deflate” for weight loss on a show that first aired in 2009 and has been replayed since, even as recently as May of 2015.

    search terms: 2009 nfl deflate

  89. There was a letter from the NFL that said that the Patriots needed their permission to reinstate Jastremski and McNally. Goodell is saying they didn’t have anything to do with suspending them, but they did impose that requirement. Then Vincent was saying he didn’t get a request from the Patriots. Then Goodell was making it clear yesterday that they didn’t require the Patriots suspend them.

    The NFL is clearly playing games. Now that the Patriots asked for their reinstatement will the NFL allow it? I think not.

    To continue the game, I imagine that the NFL will send back a letter that doesn’t say no but asks the Patriots for Jastremski and McNally to acknowledge participation in deflating the footballs he will reinstate them.

    He won’t just say ‘no’.

    In the end the Patriots suspended them because the NFL wanted them to… otherwise why put restrictions on their return at all. The NFL are really being goofs on this one just to try and make it look like the Patriots believe they are guilty.

  90. enzo1030 says:Sep 9, 2015 9:10 AM

    Who else is going to deflate the balls?
    ——————————————————-
    Ideal Gas Law predicted the balls to be 11.3 which they were. The Colts 3 of 4 were under-inflated as well.

  91. igotgamenj says:
    Sep 9, 2015 9:28 AM

    Can’t wait till Jonas Gray runs the ball down the Pat’s throat !

    ————-

    Have the Patriots ever traded someone away on purpose who came back and burned them?

    Maybe someone they lost in a bidding war, but if the Patriots cut someone they usually don’t do well elsewhere.

  92. californiaqid says:
    Sep 9, 2015 9:28 AM

    Read the ESPN article Patsy fans
    ————————————————————–
    I did. I am baffled as to how this is an issue at all. Stealing signals is not against the rules. How is any of this evidence of widespread cheating?

  93. They’ve both been away a while “losing weight”

    “We’re on to the next cheating tactic”

    #tainted4ever

  94. no one not the even the Pats blind faithful can offer a plausible explanation why the balls were taken to the bathroom by some nicknamed the “DEFLATOR”.

  95. paulieorkid says:
    Sep 9, 2015 9:34 AM

    Interesting. The Patriots fire McNally and Jastremski months ago. When it’s subsequently pointed out that it made no sense to terminate McNally and Jastremski if they did nothing wrong — the Patriots resurface to petition to have them back in the league.

    That team is filthy, and 95% of people who aren’t Patriot coaches, players, fans or supporters gets that.
    ————————————————————-
    Oh for cryin out loud – your own question gives you the answer. Why are the Patriots required to petition the league to reinstate these guys? Answer: Because the league forced the Patriots to terminate them.

  96. The “ideal gas law” is not a scientific principle. It’s a hypothetical approximation of how certain ideal gases might behave under laboratory conditions. it’s been falsified 6 ways from Sunday in this case, not to mention that Wilson says their balls don’t deflate, period. Stop relying on a BS straw man argument generated by economists hired by Kraft. Somebody stuck a needle in those footballs, period.

  97. Seahawkboy

    you say the strangest things

    I’m sure, this is the same period when he went from being Trent Dilfer to a HOFer statistically.
    ==========================

    please show me where dilfer won three superbowls in 4 years

    Seahawks are next on Godell’s radar, PEDS, you were warned.

  98. Bullcharger

    To continue the game, I imagine that the NFL will send back a letter that doesn’t say no but asks the Patriots for Jastremski and McNally to acknowledge participation in deflating the footballs he will reinstate them.
    ======================================

    and then they sue the NFL, I can’t wait.

    I can’t even imagine how Godell gets by any day not knowing what he says is a mistatement of facts.

  99. Sheeple please try to pretend you have some critical thinking skills.

    The ESPN article was an obvious smear piece. All of it was hearsay, rumor and innuendo from dozens of unnamed sources

    Oh and for the 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000 time Using video to steal signals is not against the rules and is not cheating.

  100. SO….The Patriots did nothing wrong, fire the two ball boys, and pay the largest fine in NFL history to avoid a trial.

    NOW they say nothing happened?!

    LOL at Pats fans.

  101. If the best evidence you have of a cheating conspiracy is a ball boy calling himself the deflator in May 2014 and some balls that were NOT ACTUALLY DEFLATED than I would say you have no conspiracy.

  102. “I asked both parties towards the end of the hearing whether I should hear from them directly. Both parties, well particularly, the union side, said it was not necessary. They didn’t feel it was a necessary step and the Management Council side said we think we have sufficient information, but the fact that the union doesn’t want you to hear from them should be taken into account. I think they are important figures in this but chose not to go any further with it at that point.”

    ———————-

    Interesting what Goodell said here. Of course Brady’s side would not want to have witnesses requisitioned again. How can that help. Best case they say the exact same thing. Worst case they change their story slightly or something and become less credible.

    I don’t get why management council would not want them to testify under oath. Why did management council believe what they had previously presented was sufficient?

    It must have been a risk to management council too. They must have felt that if they presented under oath they would say out loud they did not participate in a deflation scheme again and it would hurt their case. If they thought questioning them under oath about the email was a slam dunk they would have compelled them to appear. Maybe Wells believed that if they didn’t change their answer under the pressure he had already applied there was no way they would change it in the appeal hearing.

    Also, Goodell’s last point is a joke. How is it that the union council saying it isn’t necessary any different from management council. It’s not.

  103. In the interview with Mike and Mike (more like soap box) Goodell slipped in that the NFLPA did not find Jastremski’s testimony necessary and he inferred what he wanted.

    Why isn’t anyone asking Goodell WHY their testimony was left out of the original report? If Goodell wanted to hear from them so much, he should have asked Wells to include what they said. IF he disregarded their testimony for the Wells report because he determined they were not honest, then why would the NFL want them to testify in the appeal. (actually godell said the NFL didn’t want them (with no inference) but that the NFLPA wanted them less (allowing him to infer what he wanted). Totally silly and stupid…

  104. I would like it noted that the “second” official interview would actually have been McNally’s 5TH interview. Now as has been stated many times over, McNally is only a part-time stadium employee. That means he is usually at the stadium on game days. To be interviewed the previous 4 times he had to take time out of work, his regular 40 hour a week job. I don’t know about you but I definitely would not want to be using all my vacation time from work to sit in a room with Ted Wells. Also, it should be noted that the Patriots offered to make McNally available to be interviewed by phone but the NFL refused that offer.

  105. weepingjebus says:
    Sep 9, 2015 9:16 AM

    They were interviewed ONCE by wells and his team. After finding texts and wanting answers then Kraft refused to allow Wells to speak to them agin. The NFL asked them a few questions before the investigation and before it was a big thing. Thats BS that wells could not directly ask them what ‘deflator’ meant or what they were ‘going to espn’ about. Come on, if there is nothing to hid then dont refuse to allow access to them and then fire them.

  106. There are literally a million explanations for why the guy in May 2014 called himself the deflator, but I really don’t care about explaining it.

    There is simply no evidence of a conspiracy to deflate balls after inspection by the referees and obviously it takes a huge leap of imagination, not to mention bias, to settle on the conspiracy explanation for that comment.

    This is especially true considering that the lack of other evidence of this supposed conspiracy and the presence of an excellent alternative scientific explanation for the observation that the balls were slightly deflated.

  107. marcuswelby1 says:
    Sep 9, 2015 8:41 AM
    Did you know what other gems the NFL has dug up?

    1. Belichick was front and center of the Watergate scandal in 1974.
    2. Patriots were the reason the stock market nearly crashed in 2008
    3. Rumor also has it that the Patriots were behind the ridiculous amount of snow that was dumped on the Northeast last winter.

    Stay tuned, the NFL is still throwing mud at the wall to how much will stick!

    and

    4. Recent developments in photographic imaging clearly show the mysterious figure on the knoll in Dallas at Dealy Square in 1962 was wearing a Patriots hoodie.

  108. Everyone seems to forget the detail that the Pats DID offer another interview of McNally by Wells over the phone from his home in New Hampshire. Wells declined, saying if it was not face to face he did not want it. Did he want to ask questions or did he want to brow beat the man until he could twist his words? It apparently is the M.O. of his investigations based on several reports by Miami employees when the Bully-Gate issue was in the news.

  109. seahawkboymike says:
    Sep 9, 2015 9:23 AM

    Stop pointing the finger at the NFL. You cheated again, you got caught and one paid off judge doesn’t change that. All you have to do is look at the change in Brady’s fumble numbers to know he’s been illegally deflating footballs since 2007.
    _______________________________________

    From 2007 through 2014 the Patriots fumbled on 1.14% of offensive plays at home, and 1.08% of offensive plays on the road. That’s right! When playing at home where McNally was the ball attendant, the Patriots’ fumble rate was higher. When playing on the road where the ball attendant was supplied by the other team, the Patriots fumble rate was lower.

    Since the Pats’ fumble rate was higher when they were in a position to deflate footballs and lower when they were not able to deflate footballs, you have just provided evidence that there was no deflation. Thanks, Mike!

  110. californiaqid says:

    Read the ESPN article Patsy fans
    ——————————————————————-
    I did read the ESPN article and it’s a lot of hot air, the Patriots were caught filming on the sidelines in the Jets game after the league issued a rule change that filming could not occur from the sidelines during the game. Any filming that had taken place in the years prior? It’s all irrelevant! Just like the “illegal” formations that they used against the Ravens in the playoff game. It was all legal until it wasn’t.

  111. osiris33 says:
    Sep 9, 2015 9:47 AM

    The “ideal gas law” is not a scientific principle. It’s a hypothetical approximation of how certain ideal gases might behave under laboratory conditions.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    No, it’s not. You couldn’t be more wrong. It IS exactly a scientific principle. It is also known as Boyle’s Law.

    The “ideal” part is that the formula is 100% accurate for an ideal (pure) gas. Yes there will be small variations in the ratio for impure gases, but the principle is still exactly the same, and the variations are minor

  112. Osiris33 you simply do not know what you are talking about. The ideal gas law predicts the deflation of gas in a fixed volume space under ideal conditions. In real world conditions it serves as an approximation of how gas in containers would be expected to behave based on various environmental conditions.

    It is true that in real world conditions other factors would contribute to observed pressure such as specific heat, relative humidity and changes in volume of the container.

    So while the idea gas law is not exact, the PRINCIPLE that various conditions, including TEMPERATURE, would affect pressure is indisputable and a perfectly reasonable explanation for observed drop in pressure that night

    So sorry, but your post is wrong and you don’t know what your talking about.

    Signed- someone who actually took ( and taught at a college level) physics and general chemistry,

  113. idothis2 says:
    Sep 9, 2015 9:44 AM

    no one not the even the Pats blind faithful can offer a plausible explanation why the balls were taken to the bathroom by some nicknamed the “DEFLATOR”.

    —————-

    Why do people go to the bathroom. That’s pretty obvious. Why did he take the balls with him? He couldn’t leave them in the hall unattended I would think. That’s plausible.

    Why was his nickname the deflator… you don’t like the answer. Doesn’t mean it’s false, but you will never find it plausible.

    The only thing I would say is that if I looked through all my text messages for a year I think I could find a few that taken out of context would make it look like I deflated the footballs.

    For me, none of that really matters. That is far from a smoking gun.

    To me you only have to look at the footballs themselves and when counting the science the balls were either not deflated or very slightly deflated depending on the gauge used and which scientist you ask. I really don’t think it was enough evidence of wrong doing to warrant what has happened since January.

    It’s pretty clear that ESPN’s article was at least partially right in that there must be a group of owners that wanted to get the Patriots back for past transgressions because this would have been no big deal if it happened to any other team.

  114. osiris33 says:

    The “ideal gas law” is not a scientific principle. It’s a hypothetical approximation of how certain ideal gases might behave under laboratory conditions. it’s been falsified 6 ways from Sunday in this case, not to mention that Wilson says their balls don’t deflate, period. Stop relying on a BS straw man argument generated by economists hired by Kraft. Somebody stuck a needle in those footballs, period.
    ———————————————————————
    osiris33, do you live in a cold weather environment? Because I do and there are mornings that I get in my car when it’s 10 degrees out and my tire inflation light is on in my car. When it warms all the way up to 35 degrees at lunch time, the light has gone off. Were my tires magically inflated by the “deflator” who has now decided to be come the “inflator” to make more money? No, it the result of the non hypothetical effect of air temperature as it relates to psi pressure.

  115. They won’t be reinstated or allowed anywhere near the Patriots until the appeal has been heard. No more freebies, kicks and signed autographs for doing nothing although all the other people who work for the Patriots don’t get anything but it is just another “deflategate” coincidence they got all those freebies and made comments about getting freebies and going to ESPN. Clearly someone went to ESPN recently and it doesn’t look good for a team who is guilty of a culture of cheating that extended through several playoff wins. The Patriots will be like the baseball steroid offenders when they try to get into the hall of fame. There will be a lot of people who will remember their teams were cheated out of super bowls and Kraft, Brady and Bellichick will be having a rough time finding a seat in the hall.

  116. Why hide all transcripts, notes, interviews, etc. that Wells conducted with Jastremski, McNally, Brady and ALL Patriots personnel? Not one quote from anyone in the 250+ page Wells Report.

  117. Quote…”It’s also possible that the people who have said the request wasn’t made weren’t told that a request had been made. Either way, the request has been made”

    Yet again….another example of the one hand not knowing what the other is doing… in this case the NFL not only doesn’t know what one hand is doing, but they don’t even know what their own feet are doing… what a mess

    This is NOT the NFL your fathers knew….sad to say.

  118. markprzyb

    “I would like it noted that the “second” official interview would actually have been McNally’s 5TH interview.”

    I would also like it noted that on the night of the game, McNally stayed behind, allowed himself to be interviewed by NFL officials, offered up his phone at that time, long before any texts would have been deleted. The NFL declined the offer.

    When Wells sought the 5th interview, his second,
    McNally, agreed to be interviewed over the phone, but the NFL declined his offer, a league source told ProFootballTalk.

    McNally lives in New Hampshire and has a full-time job outside his part-time employment with the Patriots. He didn’t want to participate in another in-person interview at least partially because he had been “ambushed at his home by ESPN’s Kelly Naqi based on a perceived leak from her husband, a former league-office employee who now works for the Jaguars,” ProFootballTalk wrote.

    Yep, there’s a guy hiding something alright.

  119. Remind me:
    Are these the employees that rummaged thru opponents garbage at hotels, wore Kraft Ent. patches over their NE gear while they filmed opponents practices, stole play sheets from opponents locker rooms or took air out of footballs?
    So much out there about the shady empire it gets confusing.

    #BRADYWINSAPPEALINKNOCKOUT
    #WHATARELIEFFOR HIM!!!!! Now he is the GOAT even outside of NE area…whew,finally

    #****

  120. merky19 says:
    Sep 9, 2015 10:01 AM

    marcuswelby1 says:
    Sep 9, 2015 8:41 AM
    Did you know what other gems the NFL has dug up?

    1. Belichick was front and center of the Watergate scandal in 1974.
    2. Patriots were the reason the stock market nearly crashed in 2008
    3. Rumor also has it that the Patriots were behind the ridiculous amount of snow that was dumped on the Northeast last winter.

    Stay tuned, the NFL is still throwing mud at the wall to how much will stick!

    and

    4. Recent developments in photographic imaging clearly show the mysterious figure on the knoll in Dallas at Dealy Square in 1962 was wearing a Patriots hoodie.

    and don’t forget:

    5. Bill Belichick’s spying team includes Elvis, Bigfoot, and the Loch Ness monster, shooting video from their UFO.

  121. Why hasn’t any of the reporters tried to interview Jastremski or McNally?

    Even if they declined to be interviewed, that would be news.

    Why hasn’t any reporter done any background interviews on those two? Talked with any of their friends, coworkers, enemies even?

  122. “All Goodell does is lie lie lie. He has zero credibility and zero integrity. He proves it over and over and over again”

    That explains his cuddly relationship with Big Daddy Kraft.

  123. “The request was made on or before late Monday afternoon. It definitely was made before Tuesday; it possibly was made before Vincent said the league hadn’t heard from the Patriots.

    It’s also possible that the people who have said the request wasn’t made weren’t told that a request had been made. Either way, the request has been made.”

    ——-

    I’d venture a guess that these people all have smartphones……I’m not buying that they didn’t know. Information moves too fast for them to not know.

    It’s more probable than not that they were generally aware that the request had been made, and that they were just playing dumb so they didn’t have to answer any questions.

    In other words: they were most likely lying

  124. osiris33 says:
    Sep 9, 2015 9:47 AM
    The “ideal gas law” is not a scientific principle. It’s a hypothetical approximation of how certain ideal gases might behave under laboratory conditions. it’s been falsified 6 ways from Sunday in this case, not to mention that Wilson says their balls don’t deflate, period. Stop relying on a BS straw man argument generated by economists hired by Kraft. Somebody stuck a needle in those footballs, period.

    —————————————————–

    Really? So that Nobel Physicist doesn’t understand the Ideal Gas Law? For that matter neither does Exponent, the leagues expert. Because they all agree that the Ideal Gas Law is a scientific principle and it applies here. Wilson can make all the claims they want (which I think you are wrong about BTW) but scientific principles are not selective in our physical world. Maybe in “your world” they are?

    I swear all the people who claim the Ideal Gas Law is a myth or isn’t science live in warm or moderate climates. Living in NE, we experience it constantly as the seasons and temperatures change.

  125. Baltimoron,

    Three of the 4 Colts balls were underinflated. Are you saying that the Colts are cheaters? NFL Network is running a special at 8:00 PM this evening called “Do you Job.” One segment shows Alabama running an unbalanced line with eligible and ineligible receiver adjustments. This is the exact play that Harbough couldn’t figure out, but somehow college players could.

  126. Well i’m sure The “Rat’s”, errr…….The “Pat’s” will find a way to use their acclaimed former ball boys and if not we can all look forward to their tell-all book………………………

  127. The Patri*ts have ordered 49 solid gold inflation needles each as a “thank you for not speaking up” present for Jastremski and McNally.

    They will also be receiving new encrypted cell phones, video cameras and their own private bathrooms in the stadium.

  128. jaxon51 says:
    Sep 9, 2015 10:25 AM

    Remind me:
    Are these the employees that rummaged thru opponents garbage at hotels, wore Kraft Ent. patches over their NE gear while they filmed opponents practices, stole play sheets from opponents locker rooms or took air out of footballs?
    So much out there about the shady empire it gets confusing.

    #BRADYWINSAPPEALINKNOCKOUT
    #WHATARELIEFFOR HIM!!!!! Now he is the GOAT even outside of NE area…whew,finally

    #****

    ————————-

    I don’t get how it’s so shocking that billion dollar corporations in competition tried to get their hands on their competitors confidential documents that were left in a public trash bin.

    That’s why you shred documents and never leave confidential documents behind after meetings. That is standard corporate practice.

    Teams that would leave stuff around in trash bins are not competent.

  129. Any lawyer knows that once you have what you want from a witness, you don’t recall them. The NFLPA had no reason to want them to testify at the appeal hearing (innocent people can make an innocuous mistake like confusing a date, etc.–and their testimony blows up). There is NO excuse, for the NFL lawyers not to call them. Their lame excuse that well, if the NFLPA doesn’t want to call them who are we to argue….is ludicrous. I ask again, the NFL is going to start to measure psi this year….what do they do, if the laws of physics endure and the balls do in fact lose pressure?…..What on earth does the NFL do then? The PR battle that they are so good at waging will have to be against Mother Nature herself! Can’t you just see it. Well, the balls did deflate; but, it was one degree colder than at Foxboro and it wasn’t raining here…..well, yes, you’re right, a wet ball does lose pressure faster; but, it still was windy here tonight and there was no wind….and it was daytime! Did we mention that the AFCCG was a night game? And it was much much colder here than it was then….yes, I know we said one degree; but, that’s relative……we’re right because we’re the NFL!!!

  130. OK Goodell, here’s what you do if you want to save face. You say I will reinstate them if Brady accepts a suspension. If not, sorry guys. We already know Goodell is Kraft’s sissy lipstick wearing slave. He’s the floozy in their relationship.

  131. Brady was specifically told by Goodell that he wanted “new information” at the appeal. Testimony from Jastresmki and McNally would have constituted old information, and, given that they had been told they only had 4 hours, it would have been a waste of precious time.

    And of course, Goodell being the dirtbag that he is, he now pretends both that he held it against Brady that these two weren’t part of the appeal, and somehow that’s Brady’s fault. This language about the NFLPA being more satisfied than the other side (which is, of course, Goodell’s own side), is just so much nonsense.

  132. This is fantastic. All the people whining for months to “TALK TO THE BALL BOYS” — where are you now? Why would the Patriots seek to reinstate these two if there was ANY evidence of wrongdoing on their part?

    Guilty parties don’t voluntarily thrust the main suspects back into the spotlight.

    I’ll just go ahead and wait for your apologies.

  133. phuckauffewe says:
    Sep 9, 2015 10:28 AM

    Why hasn’t any of the reporters tried to interview Jastremski or McNally?

    Even if they declined to be interviewed, that would be news.

    Why hasn’t any reporter done any background interviews on those two? Talked with any of their friends, coworkers, enemies even?

    ————–

    Why is everyone so convinced there is a lot to learn from these guys. They were interviewed by Wells team for hours and maintained the same story the whole time, which is that they didn’t deflate the footballs.

    What is the press going to find out that Wells couldn’t?

    They will say the same thing, and then everyone will just say they are lying.

    I am sure the media has done exactly what you said and done some digging and hasn’t turned up anything worth reporting.

    Jastremski or McNally either didn’t tell anyone else they were running a deflation scheme or they weren’t running a deflation scheme.

  134. osiris33 says:
    Sep 9, 2015 9:47 AM
    The “ideal gas law” is not a scientific principle. It’s a hypothetical approximation of how certain ideal gases might behave under laboratory conditions. it’s been falsified 6 ways from Sunday in this case, not to mention that Wilson says their balls don’t deflate, period. Stop relying on a BS straw man argument generated by economists hired by Kraft. Somebody stuck a needle in those footballs, period.

    ————————————————————–

    Please provide refereed publications disproving the IGL “6 ways from Sunday”.
    If it’s your own original research, you should submit a paper for publication in a refereed journal.
    Once it is published, you can book your ticket to Sweden to collect your Nobel prize for disproving a 350 year old law of physics.

    Regards,
    Someone who has an M.S. and Ph.D. in engineering with multiple publications and research conference presentations.

  135. on page 9 of the decision from Judge Berman, he quotes from the Vincent letter to the Patriots that neither McNally nor Jastremski can be reinstated with out his approval

  136. knockknockwhosthereowen says:
    Sep 9, 2015 9:01 AM
    Why do they have to request it? The Patriots are the ones that fired them in the first place, just rehire them you morons.
    ————————-

    For this post and all the others that say since the NFL says they didn’t insist that the equipment guys be suspended the NFL doesn’t need to give them permission. That’s the whole thing, the NFL is lying about not requiring the equipment guys to be suspended and the proof is in the Vincent letter that handed down the punishment to the Pats and Brady. It states expressly than neither one can be re-instated without Vincent’s written approval, as well as, the conditions that must be met if they are ever re-instated.

  137. osiris33 says:

    The “ideal gas law” is not a scientific principle. It’s a hypothetical approximation of how certain ideal gases might behave under laboratory conditions. it’s been falsified 6 ways from Sunday in this case, not to mention that Wilson says their balls don’t deflate, period. Stop relying on a BS straw man argument generated by economists hired by Kraft. Somebody stuck a needle in those footballs, period.

    ——

    Come on… Wilson didn’t say their balls don’t deflate period.

    Air cannot escape from the ball (unless there is a hole in the bladder, which I am sure happens from time to time) but air pressure changes based on temperature. It probably also changes based on the leather being wet as it probably allows the ball to stretch and further reduces the air pressure.

    Don’t forget that 4 colts balls were also below 12.5. The ideal gas law has an impact.

  138. idothis2 says:
    Sep 9, 2015 9:44 AM

    no one not the even the Pats blind faithful can offer a plausible explanation why the balls were taken to the bathroom by some nicknamed the “DEFLATOR”.
    ———————–

    A plausible explanation is that the guy had to take a leak, and didn’t want to leave the footballs unattended in the hallway.

    You’re welcome.

  139. It has become clear that the anti-Patriot camp has really degenerated into only those who are tired of watching their clubs lose to the Patriots. Pure frustration. Nothing more. One word of advice: Calling the Patriots cheaters will only lead to more of the same. Losers will stay losers.

  140. ATTENTION MASTERLOCK, you are missing a golden opportunity to become the Official Padlock on the official game ball safe. Hurry up their is still time to cash in.

  141. Why was there no testimony from either of these two in the Wells report?

    Because Pash/Wells didn’t include information from their interviews!

    Probably because what they said didn’t fit what we now understand was a predetermined “make-up” call by the commissioner.

    No matter what team you root for, the NFL front office will be coming after your favorite logo next!

  142. osiris33 says:
    Sep 9, 2015 9:47 AM
    The “ideal gas law” is not a scientific principle. It’s a hypothetical approximation of how certain ideal gases might behave under laboratory conditions. it’s been falsified 6 ways from Sunday in this case, not to mention that Wilson says their balls don’t deflate, period. Stop relying on a BS straw man argument generated by economists hired by Kraft. Somebody stuck a needle in those footballs, period.

    ______

    So you’re saying your tires do lose pressure when its cold.. So someone’s running around sticking needles in people’s tires in the winter?

  143. So if the Ideal Gas Law has no effect on ball pressure, then why weren’t all of the Colts balls at 13.0 psi or higher at halftime? The Colts’ equipment guy said they were set to 13.0 before game, and Walt Anderson said they tested at 13.0 or 13.1.

    But none of the 4 tested at halftime measured 13.0, even with the gauge that produced higher results. Some were a full 1 psi lower. So why weren’t the Colts and Luck punished?

  144. Why hasn’t any of the reporters tried to interview Jastremski or McNally?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    More significantly why has nobody got to Goodell and Vincent and basically the whole league office and asked they why they lie at every turn. Could it be that the NFL will ‘punish’ any of the major outlets if they ever go that way, sure it is.

    I have had it with “reporters” why do you think the NFL did not call them into court? Could it be there was nothing to see here move along it will weaken our case.

  145. nflnfl13 says:
    Sep 9, 2015 11:19 AM

    ATTENTION MASTERLOCK, you are missing a golden opportunity to become the Official Padlock on the official game ball safe. Hurry up their is still time to cash in.

    ——–

    there a reason they haven’t.

    First, the NFL wants too much money for the rights, and second, Master Lock would have to confirm the Wells Report.

  146. wannabear says:
    Sep 9, 2015 9:27 AM
    Deflategate is a make up call by NFL to punish Patriots for Spygate. I think the Patriots got what they deserved. I don’t care about Goodell but it’s starting to make sense

    —————
    If this is,in fact, true, it is corruption and grounds for Congress to revoke the league’s anti-trust status. Leave it to Goodell and his minions to give a story to ESPN (you don’t think ESPN came up with this on their own, do you?)–the sole purpose of which was retribution against the Pats for losing in court and they end up proving to the world just how unfair and corrupt the NFL is

  147. osiris33 says:
    Sep 9, 2015 9:47 AM

    The “ideal gas law” is not a scientific principle. It’s a hypothetical approximation of how certain ideal gases might behave under laboratory conditions. it’s been falsified 6 ways from Sunday in this case, not to mention that Wilson says their balls don’t deflate, period. Stop relying on a BS straw man argument generated by economists hired by Kraft. Somebody stuck a needle in those footballs, period.
    —————————

    Cold temperatures cause air to contract. If you measure the air pressure in the football at the start of a game in a warm locker room, the air pressure is going to read less at half-time of a cold weather game. It’s simple physics. It’s the same reason that tire manufacturers say to measure the cold air pressure of the tire, because air expands when heated. Even Exponent, the corporate shills hired by Ted Wells, came to that conclusion.

    Now, Wilson may be technically correct when they say that their footballs don’t lose air, because no air is actually lost when the air contracts due to cold weather. So when the referees added air at half-time, they were in reality likely over-inflating the footballs, since they were at the proper PSI, for a 70-degree locker room, and that is likely also why they appeared to not measure a lower air pressure after the second half.

    I will add that referees have stated that some footballs are defective, and do in fact lose air.

    I know science is hard for some, but just because you are ignorant of the science, doesn’t make it less true.

  148. bullcharger says:
    Sep 9, 2015 11:06 AM

    Air pressure changes based on temperature. It probably also changes based on the leather being wet as it probably allows the ball to stretch and further reduces the air pressure.
    _______________________________________

    Also (and this has been the most overlooked factor regarding the air pressure, in my opinion), it was very windy in Foxboro the night of the game. Nearby weather reports measured winds in the mid to high teens with gusts at nearly 30 mph.

    Expose a wet surface to wind and you get evaporative cooling (or, when speaking of exposed skin, wind chill). This means the temperature of damp footballs exposed to wind would be lower than the temperature of the ambient air, further lower the psi. This would especially have impacted the Patriots’ footballs, since the Pats were on the field for almost all of the last half of the 2nd quarter (the Colt’s ran the last play of the quarter … a kneel down). So the Colt’s balls were sitting in a bag on the sideline protected from the wind and rain, while the Patriots’ balls were in play and fully exposed.

  149. NFL Attorney Pash admitted to Judge Berman that he “Edited” the Well$ Report and refused to allow Kessler to examine notes taken from the one sided NFL investigation.

    In this case the word “Edited” means omitting any evidence that proved Brady & Patriots are NOT guilty and NOT “More Likely than not”.

    America please WAKE UP a regurgitate the lies you have been fed on the doorsteps and feet of the NYC NFL Office Personnel.

  150. drocity says:
    Sep 9, 2015 10:36 AM

    iceman9999 says:
    Sep 9, 2015 10:52 AM

    Ohhhhh you sadly misinformed Pats fans. NO ONE has said 100% either way the Ideal Gas Law did or did not deflate balls. They said “its our belief that the ideal gas law COULD have affected deflation” (but never up to 2PSI at all!). So the ideal gas law is a moot point (its a real thing- but cant be proven EITHER WAY in this case). Lets look at their history of cheating, other teams saying they have suspected them of deflating. Their astronomical drop in fumbling, the texts from the ball boys, the fact the balls “just so happened” to go to the ONE place in the entire stadium without cameras right before the game and ofcourse Tom calling JM 6 times after the game. A guy he didnt care about and barely knew, but all the sudden needed to contact him 6 times. Riiiggghhhttttt

  151. “Regardless, the facts and circumstances cry out for something more from these two men, which makes the failure to put them under oath at the Tom Brady appeal hearing even more inexplicable.”

    I suspect we will hear from both, under oath, during the appeal process. Wouldn’t be surprised if even more current and former Pats employees are called as well.

    This is just getting started.

  152. In the appeal the NFLPA was encouraged to bring new evidence which they did. They obviously felt Jastremski and McNally had nothing to add to their substantial prior testimony provided to Well$.

    I guess the NFL didn’t want to hear what they said again.

    It will be interesting to see what the NFL does now.

    Deflategate hisssses on.

  153. mmack66 says:
    Sep 9, 2015 11:12 AM

    When i have a coffee in my hand and want to take a leak i leave the coffee outside the bathroom. So to be innocent the pats fans need a PLETHORA of random coincidence- 1- a guy referred to deflator as weight loss even tho no one on her had EVER done in their life, and im guessing no one on here as ever even heard anyone else use it in that context. 2- brady called JM 6 times after the game ’cause he was worried about him. If JM got a DUI that had no affect on brady would he have gotten 6 calls as well???? and u only need 1 call to see how someone is doing. 3- the ball boy ‘just so happened’ to have to pee AFTER the ball inspection and before the game- its like a 5 min walk but couldnt hold it. 4- the ‘ideal gas law’ was the reason pats balls were a full 2 PSI low and not one of the colts balls dropped more than 1 full PSI- but it must b b/c the air temperature the pats filled their balls up in was different……. 5- them saying they were ‘going to espn’ was about the free merchandise they got from tom and not about cheating. Because most ppl who get free things rat out the person giving them to them. Its certainly not about cheating after they ranted about how terrible tom is about the specifics of the balls. Now all this is possible, or one very easy, very clear explanation- they cheated. Pats fans can home these 100 things were all a coincidence to just make it look really bad for the pats, or they can see the writing on the wall and accept the obvious, easy answer of cheating was involved.

  154. Tom Curran reporting that the Patriots had to send 3 requests to reinstate Jastremski and McNally before the NFL even acknowledged receiving a request.

    NFL operations incompetence rages on and on…

  155. What a whitewash thanks to some judge. What we really needed was to get these two ball boys on the witness stand under oath in a real court to answer questions. Starting with that whole “Deflator nickname refers to weight loss” thing. As Mr. Florio writes: “Neither testified under oath. McNally was never questioned in any setting by the NFL or its investigators regarding the “deflator” text.” And what about that little bathroom trip. Why did you insist on using a different bathroom when you could have easily used the one in the ref’s locker? And why did you insist on taking the balls with you? And why did you walk off with the footballs right before the start of the game? This time do better than “I don’t know.”

    So now what, these two sadly un-grilled guys just come back like nothing ever happened? What a joke.

  156. Goodell flat denied the NFL asked the Pats to suspend those guys.
    Bit they wrote that Vincent is the only one who can reinstate them.
    Tell me how the NFL makes any sense?
    When the ndl denies the request, they will look even more stupid for all their lying ways.

  157. Why should they be re instated? It’s typical Patriot way. When you read about Spygate, how can they ever be trusted again? Strange how the Spygate happened when they won Super Bowls, I guess they are all tainted now too??
    I just hope they win nothing this season.

  158. “The judge didn’t say you didn’t do anything wrong, AT ALL. He just said the process was not fair. He made no determination, and even went out of his way to not give an opinion of guilt or innocence.”

    Yeah, he didn’t say Brady was innocent… just that the system the NFL used to determine guilt wasn’t fair…. huh?

    Further more, his job wasn’t to make a determination of guilt, but rather to rule on the fairness of the process. It wasn’t within his power to declare Brady innocent… but don’t let facts get in the way.

    And getting the NFL to admit they had no evidence, and to make statements like “I don’t see where you’re getting this ‘gate’ in ‘Deflategate'”… tells me he definitely DID give an opinion on innocence.

  159. Can anyone explain how the Patriots managed their amazing road win percentage without McNally & JJ?

    Without access to opponents locker rooms, com systems, gatorade etc.

    That seems strange that they not only have an advantage at their home field but away as well? To a logical person this seems unlikely.

    Hopefully someone will monitor ball pressure throughout the season on the sidelines. Start with balls at 12.5 filled in a 70 degree locker room and then test at half time, end of game.

    Should be interesting and informative. I know it doesn’t matter since Haternation (formerly Harbaughia) don’t need no stinkin facts.

  160. annes22 says:
    Sep 9, 2015 12:13 PM
    Why should they be re instated? It’s typical Patriot way. When you read about Spygate, how can they ever be trusted again? Strange how the Spygate happened when they won Super Bowls, I guess they are all tainted now too??
    I just hope they win nothing this season
    ——–
    Clearly you have not read about spygate beyond headlines. Why do people continue to lie about this?

  161. THEY WERE NEVER FIRED! Why would you keep two people on staff *(albeit suspended without pay), when they were the two people most directly responsible for the possible 4 game suspension your HOF fame franchise QB was facing?

    I will tell you why, it’s because the Pats didn’t want them talking. Cheaters, 100% and fans that can’t see that are lying to themselves.

  162. Let me guess…

    On the last article where it was reported that the Pats hadn’t asked for it yet, the usual suspects were all:

    “Yea, they are just trying to hide them from the NFL and the media so they can’t tell their cheating cheater cheatriot ways!”

    Now that they have asked for it, these same usual suspects are all:

    “Yea, they are trying to bring them back into the lying cheating cheatriot fold before they decide to make money by going to the media and telling all!”

    Ah, usual suspects. You never cease to amuse me.

  163. swyrlpr says:
    Sep 9, 2015 12:34 PM
    THEY WERE NEVER FIRED! Why would you keep two people on staff *(albeit suspended without pay), when they were the two people most directly responsible for the possible 4 game suspension your HOF fame franchise QB was facing?

    I will tell you why, it’s because the Pats didn’t want them talking. Cheaters, 100% and fans that can’t see that are lying to themselves.
    ———–
    Simple, nothing was proven, not by Wells, Goodell or anyone. Berman knew it.

    Thanks for confirming that Brady will be in the HOF.

  164. The source was from the Patriots.

    Patriots lie about everything, always.

    The source was lying.

    ***********************

  165. letsgobuffalo4 says:
    Sep 9, 2015 11:48 AM

    mmack66 says:
    Sep 9, 2015 11:12 AM

    When i have a coffee in my hand and want to take a leak i leave the coffee outside the bathroom. So to be innocent the pats fans need a PLETHORA of random coincidence- 1- a guy referred to deflator as weight loss even tho no one on her had EVER done in their life, and im guessing no one on here as ever even heard anyone else use it in that context. 2- brady called JM 6 times after the game ’cause he was worried about him. If JM got a DUI that had no affect on brady would he have gotten 6 calls as well???? and u only need 1 call to see how someone is doing. 3- the ball boy ‘just so happened’ to have to pee AFTER the ball inspection and before the game- its like a 5 min walk but couldnt hold it. 4- the ‘ideal gas law’ was the reason pats balls were a full 2 PSI low and not one of the colts balls dropped more than 1 full PSI- but it must b b/c the air temperature the pats filled their balls up in was different……. 5- them saying they were ‘going to espn’ was about the free merchandise they got from tom and not about cheating. Because most ppl who get free things rat out the person giving them to them. Its certainly not about cheating after they ranted about how terrible tom is about the specifics of the balls. Now all this is possible, or one very easy, very clear explanation- they cheated. Pats fans can home these 100 things were all a coincidence to just make it look really bad for the pats, or they can see the writing on the wall and accept the obvious, easy answer of cheating was involved.
    —————————-

    If you aren’t even going to try to be factual, why even make the effort?

    A sack of game balls is a little bit more important than a cup of coffee, though most people wouldn’t leave a cup of coffee in the hallway either.

    A program on the NFL NETWORK used the word DEFLATE in reference to WEIGHT LOSS. There is a VIDEO of it.

    He didn’t call McNally, he called Jastremski, to find out what the heck was going on.

    Everyone, even the most ardent haters, know that none of the footballs were 2PSI below 12.5PSI. Are you really still believing the debunked Chris Mortensen tweet?

    No one knows what most of the text messages are actually talking about, because Ted Wells conveniently forgot to include in his “report”, any answers to the hours of questions those 2 endured.

  166. @elmerbrownelmerbrown who says:
    Sep 9, 2015 8:02 AM
    “The patriots lost to the giants twice in two super bowl games”

    Well, I guess by your logic, The Patriots cheated their way to those 2 losses. Wow! That’s a stretch. Or I sure don’t get your point on the subject in chief. All I saw were 2 desperation heaves by Eli. Two great catches by Giant receivers. A dropped game ending catch by Wes Welker. And an unlikely tug on the Tyree catch by Rod Harrison. But under both circumstances, the G-Men won without cheating.

    On the subject at hand: the NFL brass have to be “petty” on steroids to deny those 2 guys their life’s work. Just trite and stupid, immature goofiness on Vincent and Goodell’s part. It’s not hard to see why Judge Berman was literally disgusted with their arrogance. And I doubt they will find any sympathetic ears in the Appellate Court.

  167. sumkat says:
    Sep 9, 2015 8:32 AM
    Apparently, the Pats are as tone deaf as their fans.

    The judge didn’t say you didn’t do anything wrong, AT ALL. He just said the process was not fair. He made no determination, and even went out of his way to not give an opinion of guilt or innocence.

    ———————————————————————

    That’s because, in arbitration hearings, it is the duty of the judge to rule on the process, not on the findings of the arbitration. The judge did his job.

  168. “put them under oath’? This is a private business conducting a private investigation. Was the NFl going to put them in NFL jail for NFL perjury?

  169. annes22 says:
    Sep 9, 2015 12:13 PM

    Strange how the Spygate happened when they won Super Bowls.
    _______________________________________

    Spygate was about video taping the opponents’ signals from the sideline. Video taping the opponents is not illegal … even today. Prior to 2007 it was legal to video tape from any location … including from the sidelines. Since 2007, teams are prohibited from video taping from the sidelines, but they are still allowed to tape from certain other locations.

    So, when the Patriots won Super Bowls in the 2001, 2003, and 2004 seasons, those victories were not tainted by video taping from the sidelines, since that was perfectly legal at the time.

  170. mtb2253 says:
    Sep 9, 2015 12:28 PM

    Can anyone explain how the Patriots managed their amazing road win percentage without McNally & JJ?

    =============================

    Uhhhhh… the Pats road win percentage and stats isn’t anywhere near what it is at home. Their record at home the last two years counting playoffs is 18-1; they’re only loss was a week 17 game in 2014 when they rested starters against Buffalo. Away, they’re 9-8.

  171. while Judge Berman was ruling on the arbitration process, it was notable he questioned the lack of evidence against Tom Brady during his questioning of the NFL….Judge Berman forced the NFL lawyers to admit they had zero evidence supporting their conspiracy theory….This was one of the highlights of the trial as the Judge made it clear the NFL had no direct evidence of any wrongdoing.

    The Judge also highlighted the fact that Brady played better in the second half of the game, after the balls were inflated above 13 PSI while the Colt balls were left below 12.5 PSI….if Ball pressure effects the integrity of the game, why did the referees knowingly introduce game balls set below 12.5 PSI for the Colt team to use ?

  172. bigbamboom1 says:
    Sep 9, 2015 12:52 PM

    On the subject at hand: the NFL brass have to be “petty” on steroids to deny those 2 guys their life’s work. Just trite and stupid, immature goofiness on Vincent and Goodell’s part. It’s not hard to see why Judge Berman was literally disgusted with their arrogance. And I doubt they will find any sympathetic ears in the Appellate Court.
    ——————

    The NFL is on drugs, but McNally only worked at that job 8 days out of the year. 10 if he did pre-season games.

  173. My God, why do things have to be so complicated.

    If the appeal process did not have subpoena powers to ask the ball boys under oath is they were told to deflate the balls then why go through it at all.

    Roger G and the NFL are morons for perusing something they could never win.

  174. osiris33 says:

    The “ideal gas law” is not a scientific principle. It’s a hypothetical approximation of how certain ideal gases might behave under laboratory conditions. it’s been falsified 6 ways from Sunday in this case, not to mention that Wilson says their balls don’t deflate, period. Stop relying on a BS straw man argument generated by economists hired by Kraft. Somebody stuck a needle in those footballs, period.
    ———————
    Have you looked on the Wilson box for the official NFL balls? There is a warning on them that Adam Schefter pointed out…..”These balls may deflate” and it goes on to tell you what you should inflate them to if that happens.

  175. As it was pointed out earlier in this thread, while the NFL denied suspending the ball boys, telling us the Pats did it all on their own, they now need NFL permission to be re-instated. More Goodell lies. It will never end.

    The Super Bowl 50 QB poster excluding Brady was a classic example of the juvenile pettiness at the league office.

    What a Clown Show….

  176. 28 unanswered points in the second half of the AFC Championship game against the Colts…

    Yeah, that was after the discovery of the under inflated footballs and the correction of such by the officials…

    Yup, Patriots need to cheat to win… Perhaps the Colts just need more talent to win…

    One for the Thumb Tom, one for the thumb!

  177. “put them under oath’? This is a private business conducting a private investigation. Was the NFl going to put them in NFL jail for NFL perjury?
    ===
    Their testimony could have been treated as a sworn deposition – just like that of everyone else who testified at the appeal hearing.

    If someone lies under oath during a deposition, it is the same as lying under oath at a trial. It is perjury. Technically, it could be referred to a prosecutor’s office, and could be prosecuted, with the offender going to Real Jail or having to pay Real Fines.

  178. mototax says:
    Sep 9, 2015 11:40 AM

    “Regardless, the facts and circumstances cry out for something more from these two men, which makes the failure to put them under oath at the Tom Brady appeal hearing even more inexplicable.”

    I suspect we will hear from both, under oath, during the appeal process. Wouldn’t be surprised if even more current and former Pats employees are called as well.

    This is just getting started.
    ———————

    There aren’t going to be any witnesses called. All that will happen now is a review of Judge Berman’s decision. Once that is upheld, it is over.

    Besides, if those 2 had anything to say that would have buried Tom Brady of the Patriots, the NFL would have leaked it months ago.

  179. cracks me up when people give credence to the “losing weight” thing. so brady was giving him a bunch of autographed merch as a reward for losing weight? tom “jenny craig” brady over here…

  180. johnodocks says:
    Sep 9, 2015 1:34 PM

    Uhhhhh… the Pats road win percentage and stats isn’t anywhere near what it is at home. Their record at home the last two years counting playoffs is 18-1; they’re only loss was a week 17 game in 2014 when they rested starters against Buffalo. Away, they’re 9-8.

    ========================================

    Nice job cherry-picking the facts.
    Since 2001 (including the year Brady missed):
    Regular season: Home 94-18, Road 76-36
    Playoffs: Home: 14-3, Road 7-5

  181. sumkat says:
    Sep 9, 2015 8:32 AM
    Apparently, the Pats are as tone deaf as their fans.

    The judge didn’t say you didn’t do anything wrong, AT ALL. He just said the process was not fair. He made no determination, and even went out of his way to not give an opinion of guilt or innocence.

    ——————————–

    The judge also got the league to admit that they had absolutely no evidence that Brady did anything. to that end they admitted he did nothing wrong.

  182. iceman9999 – he didn’t cherry pick the facts, those are the stats around the time period of the deflator texts. you’re going all the way back to the time period when the patriots were using spy video and stolen playbooks for your stats.

  183. If you’re going to let those incompetent officials continue to preside over the games you might as well let the crooked ballboys continue to sneak footballs by them as well.

  184. Bah, it’s clearly obvious that they are deflating footballs. THEY CAN LEGALLY DO THAT. There is zero evidence that they are deflating to under the minimum. How is this so difficult for people to understand?

    Also, the NFL has no answer for why half the Colts footballs were also under the minimum.

  185. Lets get ESPN on it… They are really good at getting to the bottom of these Patriots cheating issues… They will interview 100 people and none will go the record. … then summarize that the Patriots were indeed cheating by having these two being at the bottom of a major another scandal involving Watergate and the two Kennedy assignations and how those things led to Bob Kraft hiring Bill Belichek away from the Jets.

  186. richl77 says:
    Sep 9, 2015 1:53 PM

    My God, why do things have to be so complicated.

    If the appeal process did not have subpoena powers to ask the ball boys under oath is they were told to deflate the balls then why go through it at all.

    Roger G and the NFL are morons for perusing something they could never win.
    ———————-

    Anyone that thinks that Boss Goodell wants either of those two guys to be giving any testimony under oath, is totally delusional

  187. Gabbo says:
    Sep 9, 2015 2:41 PM

    Bah, it’s clearly obvious that they are deflating footballs. THEY CAN LEGALLY DO THAT. There is zero evidence that they are deflating to under the minimum. How is this so difficult for people to understand?

    Also, the NFL has no answer for why half the Colts footballs were also under the minimum.
    ————————

    Oh, they’ve got an answer, just not one that they like, or that fits their agenda.

    It was only 3 of 4 balls that they tested that were under. They had to stop there because it wasn’t turning out like they planned.

  188. Right about now the NFL has 90 Lawyers in a room, running around like chickens with their heads cut off, waving their hands and spouting technical lawyer-speak, trying to figure out how to word a four sentence email about this request. I’m going to assume it will cost the NFL about 1.5 million dollars in legal fees…to send an email.

  189. It makes no sense. I thought the two of them were colluding to steal from the Pats and go to ESPN about it. Why would they want them back.
    ===
    Gotta remember that that’s a fan-theory, limakey. NEP have never said anything about why or who suspended these guys. Here’s another theory: It couldn’t be that the NFL suspended them or “suggested” that the should be suspended, could it?

    That would be WAAAYYY too simple for this affair.

  190. Smasonsmith, wasn’t the Pats response to the Wells Report that made this claim? Robert Kraft said they were suspended for various reasons. Not one of them is that the NFL told them to. And with JM, this was his second offense regarding getting balls to the field.

  191. Smasonsmith, wasn’t the Pats response to the Wells Report that made this claim?
    ===
    Nope. That was a fan theory. It never came from an official source. It’s not on WRIC, and never was.

    Besides, even if NEP did suspend these two, there’s no way that Robert Kraft would publicly comment on why two employees were suspended. It wouldn’t be worth the liability.

  192. limakey says:
    Sep 9, 2015 5:37 PM

    It makes no sense. I thought the two of them were colluding to steal from the Pats and go to ESPN about it.
    ——————————–

    Nope.

    No one really knows what they were actually talking about, because your Great Leader has kept all of their answers a secret.

  193. I can’t see the NFL allowing them to come back, or if they do, ensure they can’t do their jobs. The NFL has shown itself to be petty and small minded, just like Jets fans. Goodall doesn’t come to the first game, ensures Brady is off the poster, allegedly has ESPN and SI write similar articles trashing the Pats, that come out the same day etc etc.

  194. Didn’t the NFL make it a point earlier this year that they did not ask the Patriots to suspend the two employees? If so, then why does the NFL have to be petitioned to allow them to resume their jobs? Once again, Goodell is most definitely out of his league (pun intended).

  195. So the Patriots asked the NFL to reinstate these two guys.

    But yet Goodell was on ESPN (Mike and Mike I believe) saying the NFL did not suspend these two guys – it was the Patriots who suspended them.

    Roger Goodell is a fine example of the Peter Principle.

  196. ADAM SCHEFTER: CONTRARY TO WHAT ROGER GOODELL SAYS, JOHN JASTREMSKI, JIM MCNALLY WERE ASKED TO BE SUSPENDED BY NFL

    Sorry to yell; but, I pasted the above. We all told you, Goodell and his minions LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  197. limakey says:
    Sep 9, 2015 7:58 PM
    Mmack, I think it is very clear what they were talking about. It was Brady who did not allow them before the commissioner.
    —————-
    False. The commissioner chose not to call them in.

  198. limakey says:
    Sep 9, 2015 7:58 PM
    Mmack, I think it is very clear what they were talking about. It was Brady who did not allow them before the commissioner.
    ——————————-
    Either side could have called them to testify at the appeal hearing. According to the Commissioner himself, the NFL didn’t want them to testify; but, the NFLPA didn’t want it more. He then went on to say that the NFL actually did want them to testify but since the NFLPA was so adamant about them not testifying the NFL decided to defer to them. I kid you not, good ol’ Rog actually said this on Mike and Mike…..and any lawyer can tell you how inane this is. Once someone testifies in a way that’s good for your side, you should be disbarred if you call them again—that’s why the NFLPA didn’t call them (if they had said anything incriminating against Brady, you can bet every word of their testimony would have been in the Wells report; but, not one word made it into the report. On the other hand, the NFL should have been salivating to get them on the stand again…..if they thought they would add anything to their case. Again, they weren’t called by the NFL because the NFL lawyers didn’t think they would help their case. Goodell could have called them in; but, deferred to the NFL lawyers.

  199. @stburke40,

    You’re absolutely right, of course.

    Both sides called witnesses at the appeal hearing, and it only makes sense that each side called those (and only those) they believed would help make their case. If the NFL thought the ball attendants would be valuable to their side, of course they would have called them.

    I never cease to be amazed at the fantasies the anti-Pats folks create to try to justify their opinions. A middle school student who turned in a paper using similar reasoning would find himself/herself repeating a grade or two!

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