Headsets weren’t all the Steelers were complaining about post-game

AP

It wasn’t just the headsets the Steelers had a problem with last night.

According to Tom Pelissero of USA Today, the Steelers were also angry about the Patriots’ tactic of shifting their defensive line en masse to try to draw a penalty — which worked during a disastrous goal-line sequence for Pittsburgh.

On third-and-goal from the Patriots’ 1-yard line, Steelers left tackle Kelvin Beachum was flagged for a false start after the shift, which quarterback Ben Roethlisberger immediately began to protest,

I thought that there was a rule against that,” Roethlisberger said. “Maybe there’s not. Maybe it’s just an unwritten rule. . . . We saw it on film, that the Patriots do that. They shift and slide and do stuff on the goal line, knowing that it’s an itchy trigger finger-type down there.”

It’s a legal move so long as the Patriots don’t cross the line of scrimmage, which they didn’t appear to in this instance.

“They time it up in the cadence,” Steelers left guard Ramon Foster said. “Yeah, that’s one of the things they do. Welcome to Foxborough. . . .

“I think it’s more heightened because it’s [the Patriots] and it looks like – whatever the case may be. They’re a team that likes to take advantage of those type of situations, and we can’t give that to them.”

Foster nailed this one. As long as they’re not in the neutral zone, and they’re not calling out cadence themselves, it’s within the letter of the law. And when they’re in goal-line situations, it’s also a good bet for the Patriots, since a penalty against them would cost inches, while one against the offense costs 5 yards. It’s worth pushing the envelope there.

In many ways, it’s like their formation games against the Ravens in the playoffs last year, as their knowledge of the rules is apparently greater than their opponents’, giving them an advantage. In short, they know the rule book better than you do, so don’t complain.

198 responses to “Headsets weren’t all the Steelers were complaining about post-game

  1. Again the Pats prove to be extraordinarily competent. Wonder why they haven’t bothered to fix their communications problems. They are on top of everything else or ahead of the curve. Almost as if they like it the way it is. But that can’t be right.

  2. When did so many crybabies start playing in the NFL? UTTERLY RIDICULOUS.

    I can’t believe this. I really can’t.

    I’m sure there’s another rule change coming now, ala the formation change due to crybaby Ravens.

    What is happening to the league?

  3. Not a Pats fan but if it’s not against the rules, good for them for trying to gain the advantage. The league is so competitive teams need every advantage they can get.

  4. “They time it up in the cadence,” Steelers left guard Ramon Foster said. “Yeah, that’s one of the things they do. Welcome to Foxborough. . . .”

    Be more disciplined and don’t jump next time. Rule #1 for O-Lineman, know your count and don’t jump, especially when you’re on the 1. To complain that the Patriots shift to make you jump is pointing the other finger for your poor discipline. Do your job. Which is don’t jump.

  5. Exactly, they are doing what every coach and team should be doing, using every tactic that is legally allowed for them to use in order to gain an advantage.

    Good work, and better for that lineman to realize it.

  6. They also shifted on the goal line and let Pitt walk

    in for a TD. Guess that was okay.

    Saw it on film so pitt knew they did it. Then

    complain when it works against them

  7. Wah Wah Wah.

    Just admit it. The Patriots are better than you. They exploit every loophole and it’s the refs job to throw the flags on illiegal player movement. How bout this Pittsburgh. Don’t move until the ball is snapped.

    Get a grip!!

    I’m so damn happy Bellichick has gotten into the heads of every player and coach in this league.

  8. Just another case of your guys not being better than their guys in that moment. But since everyone knows that can’t be true, they had to have done something nefarious to win.

  9. Number one, the rules exist within the NFL “to keep one team from having an unfair advantage from the other”.

    According to that this is “unsportsmanlike” and a rule will have to be instituted.

    Enjoy it while you can.

  10. Belichick should have said after the game “There’s always problems with that Steelers sideline, we instruct our players to avoid it.”

  11. Isn’t this just the defensive equivalent of a hard count?

    LOVE how they’re in everyone’s heads. Clear difference between winners and whiners.

  12. So the Steelers saw that the Patriots do that on film and they just threw up their hands and said ‘that HAS to be illegal’ and moved on to the next play? How freaking dumb are they?

  13. Absolutely love this! The Steelers even saw it on film yet they still fell for it. Original, out of the box thinking is what makes the Patriots such a good team.

  14. Somebody call a Wambulance. This is literally the thousandth time the Pats have done that. They do it on most plays to confuse opponents. That is the name of the game remember.

  15. Give me a break…I AM NOT a Patriots fan but I fell like I spend most of my life acting like one.

    This is a joke and the fact that so many fools are gonna use this to call the Patriots cheaters and ignore the cry baby can’t accept a loss nature of these comments (not Foster) is just sad.

    At this point I can’t wait for Sunday mostly so the league has so much info regarding every team that I only have to hear about the Pats every 20 minutes.

  16. Tomlin can always go back to his old trick of stepping out onto the field and tripping an opposing player running down the sideline during a play.

  17. Welcome to the NFL whiney millionaires complaining when they lose to the Patriots. Expect this every week. No rules were broken but everyone will allege that they are doing something wrong. SMH

  18. In any sport, there is always a team or an individual that spends much time trying to find ways to bend rules and gain an advantage, no matter how unsportsmanlike it may be. Most of the time, they’re considered poor sports at least, if not cheaters. The Patriots* are the NFL’s poor sports and all of their “accomplishments” are forever tainted and questionable.

  19. Are team’s going to whine because they were out coached and outplayed by the Patriots when they loose? Pittsburgh looked disorganized, didn’t have enough men on the field for one play and left the greatest tight end in league history alone to walk in the end zone for a touchdown…and they turn around and complain…

    Grow some grapes….

  20. Has the League really come to this?? Everytime the Patriots do something totally within the scope of the rules you have a team cry to the league wanting a rule change.yeah you hear me Baltimore..I thought this was a “tough division”..who would of thought that the Browns are the toughest of the bunch?

  21. But reading the rulebook is cheating!

    Meanwhile, the NFL (who supply and control the headsets) should be investigated for letting the Steelers listen to a few minutes of the Pats’ radio feed.

  22. Seriously, you’re gonna whine about that Pittsburgh? This coming from a team that fielded 10 players in the red zone, and on another red zone play, let Gronk flank wide all by his lonesome. Hahaha….

  23. The Steelers players and coaches did a lot of complaining last night.

    Steelers fans were doing a lot of complaining too.

    * Complaining nobody decided to cover Gronk

    * Complaining about a stupid double reverse call when their offense was on a roll

    * Complaining their wide open WR in the end zone doesn’t know where the sideline is….

  24. I can understand that headset issue pissing them off, but come on Ben should know the whole defense is allowed to shift at one time. Plus, if you saw it on film then why did you jump? Should of known it was coming.

  25. Cheaters! Using the rule book against everyone else. That’s just not fair.

    And starting the game with three complete passes in a row, (Three!) to the left sideline. That’s not right, either. Everyone knows you have to change your plays. The same play three times in a row is just wrong. Cheaters!

  26. What a bunch of whiners. A shift? That’s what you wanna cry about? Gronkowski treated your team like the children they are. Your team had a year to prepare and they embarrassed themselves. Worry about that.

  27. I can’t stand the Pats, I am a Seahawks fan, but just like the SB they won the game and to whine about it afterwards is not a good look. You lost and they won period. Maybe if you would have made a play in the Red Zone you would not have to worry about the big bad Pats doing something legal to make you jump offside. Man up!

  28. On the second Steeler TD the line shift created the space for #46 to get in the end zone so it’s not always a advantage – in fact a quick count or no huddle pretty much neutralizes this – non issue

  29. “since a penalty against them would cost inches, while one against the offense costs 5 yards”

    That is the problem with all “half the distance to the goal” penalties.

  30. “They’re a team that likes to take advantage of those type of situations, and we can’t give that to them.”
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    Yeah, they Pats do it in front of the whole world, on national TV and there’s nothing you can do about it short of preparing your team properly and not being sloppy (which the Steelers were very much last night).

    In other words: “you got out coached again and didn’t have you team properly prepared”. You’re playing Belichick, you better have your head out of your azz when you step on the field.

  31. “Waaaaaaaaahhhhh” is the refrain you are going to hear from the Patriots opponents all year long. There is no rule against shifting the defensive line. It’s called having discipline. How does a poorly coached team combat these type of issues? It’s simple. Like the Colts and the Ravens, you cry to the league to get the rules changed.

  32. This is now going to happen every week with whoever plays the Pats. Just play the games already and stop complaining! Something tell me that if you would’ve beat them then this isn’t an issue.

    This coming from a Bears fan.

  33. Not a Pats fan to say the least, but how is this any different than a QB using a hard count to draw the defense offsides.

  34. waa waa waa- the patriots beat us, they are cheaters… what a bunch of cry babies- grow up and get a pair.

  35. rules are written….read them before you complain or grip about unfairness or bending rules..

    Come on is this what this season is going be all about???

    We won fair and square……enough said.

  36. Wahh, Wahh. Know the rules Tomlin. I am 100% confident that every team this year will complain about something when they lose to the Patriots at home this year.

    LET’S GO PATRIOTS!!!

  37. Why would the fact the pats are smarter than everyone else stop the complaints? Especially from a team with a head coach that tried to trip and seriously injure a Ravens player on national tv a couple of years ago?

  38. Do any teams lose gracefully anymore besides the Patriots? These guys sound like a bunch of whiners? An unwritten rule not to shift on the defensive line. Right.

  39. Alright NFL. Show some guts and start the process for a rule change for next year to prevent this team from displaying poor sportsmanship.

  40. Guess Tomlin should read the play book

    Of course he can always just walk on the field and trip a player to prevent a touchdown

    Stop and think about that

    The Steelers coach actually trips a player mid touchdown play and no one cares

    Belichick violates a new 2006 rule no one heard of and somehow that still generates outrage and illogical suggestions that games before the rule existed are invalid

    Jealous much?

  41. Hey “big” Ben: You know what else is against the rules? SEXUAL ASSAULT.

    It is unbelievable the lengths other teams will go to explain to themselves how they lost to what they must deem an inferior team. There always needs to be an excuse.

    You lost, they won. Deal with it.

  42. Look, I am far from a Pats fan, but the bottom line is that whether you think they work on fringe or not, they are a very disciplined team, and they take advantage of the fact that in most cases, their opponents are not. You want to beat the Patriots? You need to be sound in your assignments, and not beat yourself with concentration penalties.

    All that other stuff goes out the window when they get between the lines, and they execute when other teams don’t. Have to hand it to them. I envy their preparedness and discipline during the game. If my team had that last year (Bears), they wouldn’t have been impossible to watch for the second half of the season.

  43. Pitt shouldn’t complain too much. One of their TDs came when the Patriot’s shifted to create a hole on Pitt’s left side, where Pitt ran to score. Funny how Ben and company forget that instance….

  44. I am no way a New England fan. Much less I really only care about my Texans which are mediocre at the best. Lets face it, they study the rule book as much as they do films. To hate them for being SMART and GOOD shows how much some of us are STUPID. Hire someone to exploit the written rules if you are going to cry every time they make you appear ignorant!

  45. Watching Tomlin crying after the game about the headsets was must-see-tv!
    Now they are whining about their own lack of discipline on the goal line.
    Dear God, it was game one! Pittsburgh is Whine Country!

  46. First Ben says he thought it was illegal. Then he says they do it all the time and see it on their game film. So which is it? Steelers just trying to blame someone else for their loss instead of the inability to take advantage of what was handed to them. Ben and Tomlin are crybabies.

  47. What DON’T Tomlin and the Steelers complain about? Tomlin is a BIG baby. He is always complaining about something.

    Tomlin has complained about the media being racist; about the officiating in 2013; and every other time he has lost to the Pats.

    Spend more time learning the rules, and less complaining, and you might win more games.

  48. Wow for a dirty bush league team like the Steelers to complain about the Patriots is laughable.

    Remember when your head coach, tripped the Ravens punt returner? Keep crying Steelers.

    Tomlin got outcoached and the Steelers defense got torched.

  49. I agree with the article. The Pats played within the rules, but now every team finds the need to moan about any little thing they do that leads to winning?! Toughen up and focus on competing, instead of looking for excuses. The old school football guys must think this behavior is ludicrous.

  50. “They time it up in the cadence,” Steelers left guard Ramon Foster said. “Yeah, that’s one of the things they do. Welcome to Foxborough. . . .”

    Yeah, welcome to Foxborough, where they try to win by doing everything they can. What scoundrels. Sounds like Foster is yet another sore loser.

  51. If the Pats were involved with the Headset fiasco (which they weren’t because the NFL controls that RF network) they would have broadcast Queen’s “We are the Champions” for the whole first quarter.

    Take your lumps Steeltown, and learn from it. They are a strong team and will have better days.

  52. I dont hate the Patriots and Im not a fan, but it seems like they not only beat the Steelers but turned them into little old beaches…I thought the league was responsible for headsets BTW. and unless they actually did something against the rulebook, dont complain about it after. Man up Tomlinson..

  53. LOL….Worthlessberger and the Steelers saw it on film, prepared for it, and still couldn’t execute the play when the time came. Those grapes are so sour you could make vinegar.

  54. “I thought that there was a rule against that,” Roethlisberger said. “Maybe there’s not. Maybe it’s just an unwritten rule. . . . We saw it on film, that the Patriots do that. They shift and slide and do stuff on the goal line, knowing that it’s an itchy trigger finger-type down there.”

    It’s a legal move so long as the Patriots don’t cross the line of scrimmage, which they didn’t appear to in this instance.

    Well, expect another rule change. If it’s legal, and the Patriots do it, and it helps the Patriots and some other team whines about it, change the rule.

    And what’s the stuff about “unwritten” rules? And if you saw it on film, why weren’t you prepared for it? Why didn’t you ask the refs ahead of the game?

    I’m so tired of all of the losers whining when they are OUT COACHED.

    Like Tom said, Read the Rule Book.

  55. It is not like what they did against the Ravens what they did against the Ravens was illegal. The refs just didn’t know the rule and didn’t enforce it.

  56. It should be pointed out that the headsets are controlled by the NFL – not the Patriots – and that the Patriots were experiencing the exact same problem; as they have in the past. The problems were created by a combination of a power issue at the stadium and the weather conditions – which the NFL, to their credit, readily acknowledged. A little more detailed reporting would be helpful.

    Shifting at the line of scrimmage to entice an offside or confuse the offense. Aren’t defenses always designed to create confusion to bait the offense into mistakes and / or run into the teeth of where the defense is strongest? And if Pittsburg saw that the Pats do this then why were they not better prepared to counter the move?

    As with any business there are leaders and there are followers. The Patriots are leaders. Get used to it.

  57. Does the list of whiny coaches ever end? Cant one coach just say good game and move on without admitting they were out coached? Nobody is asking them to identify the are not as smart as NE, but they could be a good sport about losing. Just reflects poorly on the Harbawls of the world and now Tomlin.

  58. Always, always, always up to something shady. The slimiest team in all of sports. I sincerely hope the NFL record books place an * next to their SB wins. So damn shady…

  59. Pretty amusing when teams complain another team does legal stuff because they actually know the rules. Even more amusing when they said they saw it on film yet apparently still had problems with it.

  60. At what point does the media stop reporting on these crybabies. I mean really, the defensive line shifted? Is that what Big Baby Ben is crying like one of his bathroom dates about?

  61. I would probably be a tad bit more upset about all the holding and PI that the Patsies we allowed to get away with….. Looks like the NFL is giving a small payback for all the turmoil caused with Brady the cheater over the summer.

  62. If this was Harbaugh new rules would be put in next week that the defense can’t move till the snap…what a league of whiners! It is now just getting silly.

  63. If all of these shady accusations are founded and they get away with it, then why don’t the other teams pull the same stuff on them. If the Pats don’t get in trouble, neither will other teams and we’ll have a whole league full of rule-bending trickery. Hell, the Giants can beat ’em…

  64. And people claim that Brady is a whiner. Be prepared for another rule change so that other teams won’t be caught unprepared again. Why can’t they just admit that they got outplayed by a better team? Bill Belichick would have if the score had been the other way around, and Tom Brady would have took responsibility for the loss.

  65. Really? I learned this in the one year I played. In 7th grade. 25 years ago. Your telling me that people who’s lively hood is based on playing that game can’t remember such a simple rule that it’s taught to 7th graders?

  66. I think I saw on offense a couple of occasions multiple players moving at the same time, which I also thought was a penalty, but perhaps not in New England.

    Seriously? First football game you’ve watched? As long as the players reset for 1 second that’s valid.

    Otherwise only 1 man allowed in motion (not forward motion unlike arena & CFL)

  67. I guess strategy and creative play calling are now cheating in today’s world? Let’s just line up in the T formation and smashmouth for 60 minutes. that’s exciting.

  68. I watch a ton of football and I guess I’m too ADHD to notice if other teams do this.

    I look at it this way – if it’s legal, it’s legal. But…if there’s a gentlemen’s agreement or ‘honor among coaches’ that you don’t do stuff like this, then it was bush league. If there’s no such ‘commonly accepted thing’ across coaches in the NFL, then I have no problem with it.

    Perhaps comparable to ‘unwritten rules’ like throwing 40 yard bombs when your team is up by 30 late in the 4th. Even though it’s legal, the commonly accepted protocol is to just not do that. We do, however, know of a team that does do it.

    Not saying this is the same, but wondering what other coaches think about this ‘ok per the rulebook’ thing.

  69. They know the rule book better because they are looking for gray areas to bend the rules. They don’t preach integrity in that locker room.

  70. Are you ready for this EVERY. SINGLE. GAME. NFL fans? You dug your own grave on this one by feeding the NFL narrative the Pats cheat about everything.

  71. “In short, they know the rule book better than you do, so don’t complain.”
    This rule is a no brainer. Most people know as long as they stay on their side and they can’t say anything that sounds like the cadence. If they know the rules better. I take you believe Belichick wasn’t telling the truth when he said he didn’t know you couldn’t tape other teams signals? So they knew like everyone else and just didn’t follow it?

  72. Ben’s comment is a little bizarre. The Steelers saw that on film, but weren’t prepared for it?

  73. mungman69 says:
    Sep 11, 2015 8:12 AM
    The Patriots DO PLAY WITHIN THE RULES. I just wish that other teams would stop “bitchin” just cause they got out coached AGAIN.
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    Yes, they do, but I’d like to address the larger question – that is, do other teams do this as well? Just because something is legal doesn’t mean that it’s accepted practice.

    Case in point – throwing 30 yard pass plays late in the 4th when up by 30. Completely legal but it’s generally accepted sportsmanship to NOT do that.

    If 30 other coaches say ‘that’s just something you don’t do, legal or not’, then it was bush league. If they don’t have a problem with it, then I don’t.

    But it does seem a bit high school like saying ‘hey batta batta, saawwing’.

  74. originalbosfan1 says:
    Sep 11, 2015 8:16 AM
    LOL….Worthlessberger and the Steelers saw it on film, prepared for it, and still couldn’t execute the play when the time came. Those grapes are so sour you could make vinegar.
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    Why do you call him ‘Worthlessberger’? I’m neither a Patriots nor Steelers fan, but this is the sort of crap that makes me hate football fans.

    I’m a Bears fan. Should I hate Aaron Rodgers? No. I can respect him for what he is – the best player in the NFL.

    ‘Worthlessberger’ has 2 SB rings. His stats for last season were 5,000 yards passing, 39 TDs against 9 picks and a 67% completion rate.

    ‘Worthlessberger’ had his way with the NE D last night (as did the running game). He ended with a 69% completion rate, 350 yards and a 95 rating. Would have been much better had his receiver not been a moron on a TD pass.

    If that is ‘Worthless’, I’m sure at least 15-20 teams in the NFL would be happy to have that ‘Worthless’ player at the helm.

  75. mtsquad and to all of you whose team is outsmarted again and again…you must want an NFL where everyone gets a trophy…just for the record the Pats are ahead by 4. That type of post is just pathetic. Every time your team is out smarted, you want to change the rule? So when the first time they tried the forward pass in football it should have been outlawed as an unfair advantage?..if that had happened we would all be huge soccer fans. Bottom line is that BB is a genius among idiots and it shows. He only has to beat a dufus like Rex Ryan to win. I wish my business was that uncompetitive….every coach in every sport tries to take advantage of the way the rules are written. Capitalism, our legal system they are all predicated on this. My guess is that 3/4 of the NFL Head Coaches scored no more that 1000 on their combined verbal/math SAT. Bill probably 1400 at the least. He just focuses, sees the opportunities and executes on them. Maybe your team should recruit someone that smaht into your organization…probably too late. Enjoy your .500 season!

  76. Why are we avoiding talking about the real cheating in that game? On a potential TD pass, New England was able to make a Pitt WR, with no one around, step out of bounds on a catch. How the heck did they manage that?? The cheating has gotten out of control. First they mess with equipment controlled by the league, then they move their defense around all crazy to confuse Pittsburgh (cheating AND unclassy) and then they move the actual sideline! These guys are out of control.

  77. ionsports says:
    Sep 11, 2015 9:16 AM
    Next weeks new penalty: Illegal use of Gronkowski on the goal line, he’s too much man for the rest of the NFL, 15 yard penalty and no 3 TDs

    ——————————————————

    No doubt. Just drafting that man was no doubt cheating. Hopefully, the league can find him generally aware of probable misconduct by someone else and suspend him for 4 games. Anything less would be an insult to the rest of the league, whose fans want to see Super Bowl wins too.

  78. whatever the pats do on the field that is within the rules such as shifts on the line are legal and it’s just sour grapes by the steelers that they weren’t ready for it. however, it was no accident that the steelers communications were tampered with. i don’t care what anybody says the pats are making a mockery of the game in their pursuit to win. if they have some kind of ridiculous season and make it to the super bowl again i, for one, will watch Heidi.

  79. brud1022 says:
    Sep 11, 2015 8:24 AM
    If you aren’t good enough to win you better be good at making excuses. Winners(Patriots) win loses blame others. GO PATS
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    What does that even mean? The Patriots don’t with the SB every year. They’ve lost SBs. So, they aren’t good enough to win every year. Did they blame others?

    The offense looked fantastic against a TERRIBLE Pitt secondary.

    That said, let’s not be too excited about the game. The outcome would have been completely different if not for a couple of bonehead plays/calls – the Brown pass, the Heyward-Bey TD/out of bounds and that penalty. The Patriots defense gave up almost 500 yards of offense and a 97 year old running back was running all over them.

    While I still think NE is one of the best teams in the AFC, I’d be concerned about the D if I were a Pats fan.

  80. Why don’t they just change their name to the New England Cheats. Getting tired or reading all of the negative comments about this team. 32 teams in the league and it’s all about New England. Goodell should assign a polygraph tester to this team and see who’s lying on an every day basis. Ever hear what happens to Pinnochios nose when he lies??

  81. I for one won’t complain about this. It was a good strategy move for the pats and cost the steelers 5 yds. The steelers did show me they can move the ball on the pats and they did that exceptionally well especially on the road. A few breaks here and there for the steelers and the outcome could have went the other way. The pass interference in the end zone was a BAD call.

  82. Both teams didn’t look too good last night. First the Steelers completely dropped the ball when they let Gronk walk in for a TD. Then they gave up another 2 TDs to Gronk. As for the Pats, there Run D did not look very good at all. I def think they are missing big Wilfork plugging up the middle. How can a team give up over 120 rushing yards to D Williams?! If both teams continue to play like they did last night it will be a very long season for them…

  83. midenginerearwheeldrive says:
    Sep 11, 2015 9:15 AM
    mungman69 says:
    Sep 11, 2015 8:12 AM
    The Patriots DO PLAY WITHIN THE RULES. I just wish that other teams would stop “bitchin” just cause they got out coached AGAIN.
    ___________________________________

    Yes, they do, but I’d like to address the larger question – that is, do other teams do this as well? Just because something is legal doesn’t mean that it’s accepted practice.

    Case in point – throwing 30 yard pass plays late in the 4th when up by 30. Completely legal but it’s generally accepted sportsmanship to NOT do that.

    If 30 other coaches say ‘that’s just something you don’t do, legal or not’, then it was bush league. If they don’t have a problem with it, then I don’t.

    But it does seem a bit high school like saying ‘hey batta batta, saawwing’.
    _________________________
    There are plenty of teams that do little things like this, and no one ever seems to care until the Pats do it. I’m sure I have watched other defensive units do the same shifts against the Pats. The plays the Pats used last year for eligible/ineligible receivers was taken from the Lions (and college apparently). On and on.

    Who cares what 30 other coaches say? “Oh, well…we don’t like that because it either makes us look bad or hurts our feelings.” So, flippin…what. If you don’t like it when a team is running up the score on you, maybe you should try and do the job you are being paid to do. Which is, prevent them from scoring. What about when a team has no hope of winning and just decides to figure out how to drive down the field and score a TD with two minutes left in the game? That’s legit, right? See, same thing. Don’t like it, quit playing vanilla defense and close out the game.

    Every team, every player in the league is looking for some lil extra to let them win every week. Why do you think Flacco keeps tossing up those jump balls every week in a desperate attempt to draw a defensive penalty? There’s plenty of instances where teams/players do things that are legal, but some consider “shady”. It doesn’t make them a cheater, it means your team needs to play better, figure out how to overcome their opponent’s advantage and win the game.

    What you’re doing, and what the Steelers are doing, that is truly sad. They lost, your team lost, get over it and move on.

  84. Pro sports has become a joke, drug abuse, spousal abuse, shootings, suspensions, muggings both on and off the field, are you surprised when cheating or walking the gray area of the rules happens? The Patriots are just one example of the NFL going muck. Little do Bellicek and Brady realize that their legacy will be tainted by their cheating. Of course, they don’t care now because they are in the money. So sad.

  85. Boooo Hoooooo! It’s funny though, the Patriots shifted just before Pitt. ran in their 1st TD of the night. I didn’t see them complaining then. Noooo! They only complain after their O’lineman are dumb enough to move on the 1 yard line and cost them 5 more. That is the definition of being a SORE LOSER! I can see it being the Ravens & Colts but now the Steelers? I’ve lost a lot of respect for them. Just another bunch of whiny babies that can’t take a loss like men!

  86. Geez, what a bunch of crybabies. So QB can not do play-action? Wild cat is not allowed? QB can not fake a run? Punter can not fake a punt to pass?…. I see defense moving around all the time in NFL. Losers just never blame themselves.

  87. That’s the problem with football now..they just complain. When the Pats do that some huge lineman should act like he was drawn off, split the line and break Brady in half. That’s the way it would have been handled in the old days….

  88. How about the time Tomlin stepped out onto the field and interrupted play breaking an actual rule. Yeah, it wasn’t the patriots so it wasn’t a big deal.

  89. rayricespimphand says:
    Sep 11, 2015 5:57 AM

    They know the rules better yet follow none. Got it!
    ___________________________________

    Good! And don’t forget they also win and win and win, while the rest of you whine and whine and whine…KissTheRingSandlikeit!

  90. How do you get so you are playing at that level of football and not know the defense is allowed to shift en mass prior to the snap of the ball?

    It is really mind boggling.

    Seriously my mind is boggled.

  91. phillygreen75 says:
    Sep 11, 2015 7:33 AM
    Not a Pats fan to say the least, but how is this any different than a QB using a hard count to draw the defense offsides.
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    Exactly philly, hard counts are sometimes worse because the quarterback will get his body moving.

    I remember when the steelers were a tough team. Now they cry after a legitimate loss. Sadly that seems to be the direction the entire NFL is going.

  92. “They time it up in the cadence,” Steelers left guard Ramon Foster said. “Yeah, that’s one of the things they do. Welcome to Foxborough. . . .

    “I think it’s more heightened because it’s [the Patriots] and it looks like – whatever the case may be. They’re a team that likes to take advantage of those type of situations, and we can’t give that to them.”

    And yet you did. You know it, and yet you still were victimized by it.

    So yeah, blame the Patriots for your own shortcomings. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

  93. Let’s see:
    Pittsburgh leaves Gronk wide open two times for a touchdowns.
    Ten men on the field
    Catch a touchdown out of bounds
    Miss two field goals

    Yup there’s a problem with the headset…it’s in between the ear pieces.

  94. 2manyconcussions says:
    Sep 11, 2015 6:57 AM
    Real men win with the rules. That is some impressive smash-mouth football there Patriots.

    ____
    Puhleeze! Yah, your team is so manly! Played by real-macho men! You must be manly too!!!

  95. The defense can move when ever they want as along as they don’t go into the neutral zone. Its been this way forever.

    The offense cannot move prior to the snap. Coach your players correctly, be disciplined, do your job and don’t jump early, watch the ball, not the man.

    Holy crap, what a bunch of whiny babies you people are.

  96. Furthest thing from being a Pats fan….but there is nothing wrong with that and nothing to see here.

    I’ve officiated college and high school ball for 24 years, and even those level do that as long as you don’t encroach into the NZ or simulate cadence to try to draw the offense off.

  97. Jeesh every high school player knows the defense can shift and move around before the snap to try to confuse the defense. I can’t believe a pro team is complaining about this. What a bunch of weak-minded babies.

  98. midenginerearwheeldrive says:
    Sep 11, 2015 8:59 AM
    I watch a ton of football and I guess I’m too ADHD to notice if other teams do this.

    I look at it this way – if it’s legal, it’s legal. But…if there’s a gentlemen’s agreement or ‘honor among coaches’ that you don’t do stuff like this, then it was bush league. If there’s no such ‘commonly accepted thing’ across coaches in the NFL, then I have no problem with it.

    Perhaps comparable to ‘unwritten rules’ like throwing 40 yard bombs when your team is up by 30 late in the 4th. Even though it’s legal, the commonly accepted protocol is to just not do that. We do, however, know of a team that does do it.

    Not saying this is the same, but wondering what other coaches think about this ‘ok per the rulebook’ thing.
    —————————————————————-
    Your example bears no relation to this situation. Running up the score may not be popular, but (by definition) no one could ever claim that it gave the opponent an unfair advantage.
    Unless the tactic somehow threatens player safety, as long as it’s within the rules it should be fine. Something as common as a D-line shift doesn’t come close to violating that standard.

  99. It’s a good thing the Patriots did not run the trick play that the Steelers ran, with the wide receiver pass attempt as that would surely have been cheating!

  100. Why are Steelers not complaing about that D lineman i think #94 that had his helmet too loose that he drew a hand to the face penalty after it fell off then on the next play it fell off again while he was sacking Rothlisberger?

  101. How the hell can you whine about them pulling a play you’re well aware is in their playbook, and you’ve seen it on film? If you thought it was illegal why didn’t you verify that ahead of time? You get the same rulebook Belichick and his team gets!

  102. And now Tomlin is thinking to himself “hmmm..that is actually a great tactic…we will try it on the next team…and for sure against them”.

  103. this is ridiculous. I remember doing this in Pop Warner YEARS ago. I just dont get how doing something that is legal in every level of football, is considered “pushing the envelope” Just take the loss and not try and come up wuth excuses. Everyone should get used to this, any team that loses to the Pats will drum up some cheating aspect. Maybe the pats took control of the weather and forced rain, lets just hope they don’t control the snow in the winter.

  104. It’s not pushing the envelope to shift your defensive line one way or the other. Heck: what about the “Times Square” defense that so many teams use to disguise the rush? No one ever sets in that defense.

  105. Wait a minute…

    If the Patriots don’t follow the rules they are cheeters, but if they follow the rules they are still cheeters?

    Oh, ok. Just making sure I had this right.

  106. Ben, Ben……. “unwritten rule”. You’re an experienced QB. An unwritten rule equates to “no rule at all”. Let’s put it this way. An unwritten rule plea is like a written excuse from the teacher.

  107. I doubt there are many people that hate the *patriots more than I do…but this is pretty weak.

    The D can move provided they don’t cross the line of scrimmage. I coach my Pop Warner KIDS to do this (and our OL not to react to anything but the ball moving). It’s a basic rule. You know the snap count, OL. Move then.

    This kind of thing is no more unsportsmanlike than a hard count, a quick shift, a crossover blitz, etc.

    It’s a distraction and it’s not a crime that it worked on you.

    The thing I want to know is did they change the rule on picks? Because NE was running those all the time….

  108. So, let me get this straight.

    1. The Steelers saw the Patriots do this on film.

    2. This is legal.

    3. The Steelers saw this on film and knew about it beforehand. (Yes, that really needs to be emphasized)

    I would say the Steelers are dumb as a box of rocks.

    During the game, Roethlisberger was actually complaining to the ref that they can’t shift like that. He did this, once again, knowing it was coming and without ever looking it up to see if it was legal.

    I really can’t fathom that thought process. It is like getting a ticket for speeding in a 25, but you think the speed limit where you got the ticket is 35. And the next day you get the same ticket for the same thing. And then you start thinking out loud what the speed limit is.

  109. I have several die hard Squealer fans in my office area (in Cleveland) and they were in full volume today about this and the head sets. While the NFL is responsible for the head sets and I’m not sure who or what to believe there, this is a non-issue since they apparently pushed the legal envelope and also exposed the ignorance of the Squealers.

    Isn’t there a rules against coaches encroaching on to the field during a crucial kick off to disrupt a return that could go the distance? They were quick to defend that action…

    I find it hard to believe that the cheaters for NE (and they are in the past no doubt) would be so stupid and brazen as to cheat again when all the eyes of the football world are staring hard at them. Then again, arrogance has a strange way of motivating some people…

  110. I’m not a Patriots fan but as sloppily as the Steeler’s played last night, they have no one but themselves for the loss. Two missed field goals, a stupid penalty while on the one yard line, a player kneeling out of bounds while catching a TD pass, a trick play that blew up in their faces followed by a penalty… The only rational excuse they have isn’t an excuse at all… we played bad and the Patriots made the plays that counted.

  111. This is why I never liked the Steelers. Their poor losers. As far as the headsets. Isn’t Qualcom the sponsor of those headsets. Every team seems to have these issues. I’d argue Qualcom is the problem. Qualcom is not exactly the first company I’d hire. What if Verizon provided the headsets.

  112. BTW Steelers had a great 1st drive going. Then Todd Haley decided to try and run a WR option pass losing 8 yards. From there all downhill. I guess Patriots cheated having right defense called for that play.

    What about Peyton Manning running clock down to right at zero before snapping ball? OR running hurry up offense as defense tries substitute getting off sides call. ALL LEGAL but I guess if Patriots would do this. They are cheating. Getting ridiculous. Brady looked great so how much did under inflated balls help him?

  113. I hope the NFL will launch an investigation into “lineshiftgate”. It shouldn’t cost more that couple of million and can be wrapped up in less than six months.

  114. Standard Patriots behavior. Take advantage of an unwritten rule so that is has to be made into a written rule the following year. It’s what they do….

  115. There are no unwritten rules. Like there’s no unwritten rule that prevents a DB from breaking Brady’s leg well after the ball was gone. People who can’t run with the big dogs rely on unwritten rules to make themselves feel better. This isn’t peewee soccer ladies, it’s football. If it’s too much for you there’s figure skating on TV during football season. They probably have lots of unwritten rules too.

  116. As a Steeler fan, I am so thankful Ben is our QB but I don’t understand how Ben doesn’t know they can shift. However, in the post game interview, he said they were barking out the cadence. If this is the case, that is definitely illegal. If they did not bark out cadence, the Steelers need to understand the rules well enough to take advantage of them. For example, if they know the Patriots are going to shift during the cadence, the Steelers need to quick snap or change up the cadence to snap the ball while they are shifting. That is how you deal with a team taking advantage of the rules and situation. Trying to get the offense to false start has been going on for as long as it’s been illegal to false start. On another subject, Patriots fans like to accuse Ben of being a rapist. I want to remind them that Ben was also the victim of Roger’s over extension of power. Ben was never arrested or charged with rape. In the first instance, it was found out that the accuser messaged her friends about being in love with Ben. In the second instance, the accuser was drunk and went into a back area alone with Ben. The judge criticized Ben for taking advantage of the woman but did not find evidence supporting a rape or sexual assault. Roger decided that Ben being a womanizer was worthy of suspension. The Steelers and Ben did not appeal because the CBA gave Roger god-like power and the Steelers wanted Ben to grow up. So you mindless zombies out there that are drinking the kool-aid, learn the facts first.

  117. The Patriots fan base is very very sensitive . . . Deep down they understand their team is well known for cheating. Any time they can deflect from this incontrovertible truth, they will . . . As evidenced in this thread . . .

  118. Lets start a support group for Coaches who Get Outsmarted by the Patriots Anonyms. First two members are John Harbaugh and Mike Tomlin, lets see who else joins the club? They can meet in a church basement and complain to each other.

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