NFL will test PSI on a random basis only

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Last January, the NFL measured football air pressure at halftime for the first time in the 95-year history of the league. As the NFL embarks on its 96th season, with plenty of questions remaining regarding whether tampering occurred at the AFC Championship Game, the NFL will not be taking the time to measure the internal PSI of each and every football, during and after each and every game.

In a document published last month, the league explains that, at randomly-selected games, the primary footballs used by the two teams will be removed from service at halftime for testing.

“At designated games, selected at random, the game balls used in the first half will be collected by the [kicking ball coordinator] at halftime, and the League’s Security Representative will escort the KBC with the footballs to the Officials’ Locker room,” the item from the league states. “During halftime, each game ball for both teams will be inspected in the locker room by designated members of the officiating and security crews, and the PSI results will be measured and recorded.  Once measured, those game balls will then be secured and removed from play.”

It’s an odd approach, given that there should be enough time to measure the PSI levels during halftime of a given game and to return the footballs to service. And it will force teams to have their 12 backup balls in every given game, because the 12 primary balls can be removed from play in any given game.

The better approach would be to have a system in place to measure the PSI of all footballs at halftime and at the end of every game. That would give the league plenty of evidence to assist in any future investigations regarding potential tampering with air pressure.

It also could help the league feel better about its conclusion that the Patriots tampered with the air pressure in footballs prior to the AFC title game. Then again, it could help the league feel worse about that conclusion, too.

Which perhaps explains why the league hasn’t decided to take full advantage of the opportunity to develop comprehensive date for 256 regular-season and 11 postseason games. That data ultimately could prove that the Patriots didn’t do what the league already has concluded they did.

130 responses to “NFL will test PSI on a random basis only

  1. If ultimately these tests pan out and show that the ball deflation in the Pats’ balls was natural and not diabolical like Goodell has concluded, you have to figure that should be the ax that sends Goodell flying.

  2. Maybe if the league sees similar recordings this season the Patriots might actually get their picks back. But we all know Goodell won’t admit he’s wrong.

  3. ALL the balls in the AFCCG lost air, including the Colts. ALL!

    My 12 year old knows why the balls in the cold garage need to be pumped up but it never dawned on the NFL until they had already leaked bad info.

  4. Unless you test balls in 30 degrees and raining and Gronk spiking the ball, you won’t prove anything. If this random testing is to proof the Pats did something you have to have the exact weather conditions or it will be useless info.

  5. No plans to measure air temperature outside or in locker room, or how much time elapses after bringing the balls in before meausring PSI? Without those data, the PSI measurements themselves are useless.

  6. Lot of first time things when it comes to the Pathetics. If something is unprecedented that is no reason to not take punishment. It should fall under the pcp maybe? The rule book should have a disclaimer about trying to circumvent the rules. Especially from a team that constantly looks for things not covered in it.

  7. Well you’d think nobody is gonna get caught now that everyone knows the balls will be tested.

    Then again everyone knows Gronk is a beast but the Steelers decided not to cover him lol.

  8. Yup. Only on days when the outside temperature is EXACTLY the same as the locker room temp.
    #shiftysolution

  9. Yeah right NFL! Like any measurements on anything except Patriot footballs will ever see the light of day. /sarcasm

  10. So – what protocols will be used regarding ball bags? Leaving the balls in bags up until they are measured (AFC championship game reality), or immediately pulling them all out and letting them warm up prior to measurement (Wells Report simulation fantasy)? For anyone who cares about how Exponent rigged their analysis on this question, read the amicus brief at betterdialogue.com.

  11. Brady 143.8 passer rating on Thursday 🙂

    “Brady can’t throw fully inflated balls!”
    – Patriot Hater

    🙂

    #PatriotHaterPwnedAgain
    #AsUsual
    #WhatElseIsNew

  12. This pretty much validates that deflate-gate was a witch hunt. Except the only thing going up in flames now is the NFL’s chances of winning the Brady appeal.

    I actually don’t mind the fact that this story has legs, because the longer it goes on, the more Goodell and co. are exposed as the buffoons that they are.

  13. The NFL doesn’t want to know the truth. It called a code red on TB and the Pats and it turned on them. Why in the world would those that are guilty of one of the worst “stings” in modern history want the truth to be known???

  14. What a load of crap! I want every single ball from every game measured all through the season with all air pressures recorded and published. After all, the only thing we will see is how right the Ted Wells report is. Isn’t that correct? Just let the truth come out and publish the pressures for every game ball all season long.

    Do that and you will either prove that SOMEONE in New Englad deflated balls . . . . Or you could shoot you self in the foot and the data could prove the Ted Wells report was rigged.

    I don’t know what is true, but this approach itself seems like another step in a cover-up.

  15. The NFL never really cared about PSI and they don’t care now. This was a chance to exact greater sanctions against the Patriots because some owners believe they didn’t get enough EIGHT years ago. Another first round pick, a $million, and ruining Tom Brady’s summer is not enough for some owners (or Mike Tomlin). Bastards.

  16. Hey NFL, test all the games so us ticket paying people can see the results for all the different temperature games. Don’t hand pick a few games so you get the results that only Roger wants. If that’s the case, you might as well get Ted Wells to do the tests.

  17. Unless the pressure of all the balls are measured and recorded before the game, checking half time and post game pressure is a waste of time

  18. The NFL is a freaking billion dollar a year business. They should hire two people for each game to take the balls from the teams, check and air them as needed, and maintain security over the balls throughout the entire game. They should constantly be checking them throughout the game.

    They also need to invest in technology to eliminate the headset issues.

    The league is simply incompetent.

  19. flamethrower101 says:
    Sep 12, 2015 10:32 PM

    If ultimately these tests pan out and show that the ball deflation in the Pats’ balls was natural and not diabolical like Goodell has concluded, you have to figure that should be the ax that sends Goodell flying.
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    If that is the case they would never make the results public.

  20. It took the NFL 15 minutes to check the PSI on 16 balls at the Pats-Colts game. So dont expect them to do this correctly. They will leave them till the end of the game, and then say “no change”
    Plus they took 15 minutes just to test 16 balls. How will they ever do 24 balls.
    Oh, but a p/t employee for the Pats can do it in 90 seconds. Yup, NFL all the facts line up perfectly!

  21. 1smoothoperator says:
    Sep 12, 2015 10:41 PM

    Unless you test balls in 30 degrees and raining and Gronk spiking the ball, you won’t prove anything. If this random testing is to proof the Pats did something you have to have the exact weather conditions or it will be useless info.
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    It wouldn’t hurt to test the balls in Green Bay in January when it’s 10 below. The balls are liable to be at 8 psi.

  22. Reading the press release above, it does not say that the PSI of each ball will be recorded BEFORE the game. Sorry, but whats the point if we don’t DOCUMENT what the original pressures are for each ball. As well as the ambient room temperature when the balls are first checked, and again the room temp at halftime. Also important would be the room air pressure measured in inches of mercury. And by the way, they should use a properly calibrated gauge this time around instead of the K-Mart special.

  23. What are we thinking? This is the NFL. If they don’t like the results they are getting, they will just keep two sets of books, one for public consumption and the real data in their own private ledger so they will know how badly they screwed up deflategate.

    I bet Mr/ Kraft would be willing to foot the bill to contract out to a testing firm the full testing of all balls at every game over the season.

  24. Pretty sure we saw this random method after the AFCCG.

    10000 years to develop opposable thumbs and Goodell sits with them up his azz. The Ginger Hamfist

  25. You’ve gt to be kidding me.

    Goodell can’t see the inconsistency of making this huge issue and ultimately a federal case and then concluding that it is so unimportant that it needs to be verified only randomly?

  26. Random is dumb. The only definitive testing would be in outdoor stadiums in northern climes. Not that many anymore. NE/Buff/both NY/GB/Chic/Minn and maybe Phil.

  27. This is the WORST thing they could do. Choosing games at random, fine. But only checking at halftime, then taking the balls out of play? So if I was a head coach or QB that wanted the balls a certain way, I know for certain that if I see them taking the balls at halftime, the back-up balls can be “adjusted” and used in the second half.

    That, my fellow football fans, is telling teams exactly how they can cheat and not get caught.

    The truth is that they don’t really want to know about PSI, but they are forced to do something, or everyone finds out that the Pats investigation was completely fabricated. They can’t do too much, because the owners will see the data. And when Kraft has proof that Goodell took away draft picks for nothing, there would be hell to pay. So instead of doing it the right way, they give everyone an equal opportunity to cheat at random games. Nice job…

  28. Yes, because if they collected results regularly it would become very obvious that environmental conditions affect both footballs and headphones…

  29. The NFLPA should request that a representative be present at all samplings to ensure the accuracy, integrity AND AVAILABILITY of the data, which they would likely want to present to the judge if/when the League’s appeal is heard, since we know that Wells did not make notes of his investigation available…ironic as they were asking Tom Brady to provide something they, themselves, would not provide.

    NFLPA should also request that the random samplings be scheduled based on weather conditions that would be most likely to cause increases or decreases in the psi.

  30. Why would you not include a protocol for “before game” testing? what about random testing of the gauges? How will they have good data on the starting point for randomly tested balls? What about other temps, such as inside and outside? What about measuring other factors, such as moisture? Why remove the balls – are they going to Fort Knox?

    Sounds like a half-baked plan – but for the NFL one which took months to develop.

  31. Have folks seen the Do Your Job and 2014 Patriots Season shows the NFL Network has been looping? Not only do they snicker at Deflategate, but the producers went out of their way to make fun of Harbaugh for whining about perfectly legal formations that he just didn’t understand. There’s footage of both the Titans and Alabama doing the exact same thing on national television, and then Harbaugh’s press conference where he goes, “Nobody has ever seen that before.” Can’t wait for the Deflategate special, it’ll probably have Kessler moonwalking back and forth in front of the door to Goodell’s office while he pretends to be on the phone.

  32. Can somebody explain to me why both teams can’t just use the same set of balls? Seems like a problem 95% of first graders can solve…

  33. Anyone else read the document? I just did, it says testing will be “At designated games, selected at random”. Not simply “selected at random”, but “designated…” (means random games of our choosing – i.e. not random). The document does not mention ANY accounting of weather or atmospheric pressure, nor the indoors environment; nor time between bringing balls indoors and testing them, nor if a ball had been in play or not, or by how much, in or out of a bag, wet or dry, etc, etc. Basically, this isn’t about resolving the issue in a scientific fashion. As a scientist I can tell you this testing has nought but a thin veneer of science to it and is therefore more probably about getting a result the NFL will be happy with.

    If I were trying to test the phenomenon and the Pats’ claims, I would hold all the Pats and their opponents balls, testing at every game, before, during and after, recording all known variables, all in the presence of a rep from each team, the league and Wilson, and a couple of media reps. And try to recreate similar conditions to the AFCCG. Also test at a few other northern games. The fact that many critical variables won’t be measured tells you all you need to know about its purpose – and it should worry the Pats.

  34. Take a deep breath. Read the text messages. Be reasonable and logical. It’s not that difficult to understand. The rest is just a persecution of the process. It’s ok. The pats are still great. They just tried a little too hard and went over the line. You can admit it. It’s all gonna be ok.

  35. If a teams football is found to be below the regulation Psi will it lose it’s 1st round & 4th round picks too?
    & if it is below the QB must be generally aware so will he also be suspended & the team fined a million dollars?
    What exactly is the NFL trying to do here? Random testing??!!
    I mean how does this protect the integrity of the game?
    After all this hoopla about PSI & a multi million dollar investigation that actually proved NOTHING HAPPENED outside of what science can explain the NFL is going to just wing it??!!
    I believe a TOTAL LEAGUE Monitoring has to be done for the entire year for all teams & all games to use as a basis to find out exactly what happens to footballs thruout the year & all types of weather conditions both inside. & out….
    Random testing is a load of CRAP!!!

  36. it’s mind boggling to realize how inept the NFL front office is regarding monitoring of league rules & discipline. (almost as bad as JPP’s fireworks safety precautions)

    I can only imagine how loudly the “commish-ish” will get booed in Chicago

  37. The NFL is doing just enough for a facade that they are checking. You watch, it will never be any games where there are large swings in temperature from the locker room temperature to the freezing field field. And if they DO find large swings, they won’t publish the figures. Or worst yet, there will be no independent review. The NFL has already proved they are incompetant, this will be a continuation

    It’s a dog and pony show with no controls that will show NOTHING.

  38. When the test proves nothing was done…….BAD-ELL should give the Pats back their draft picks!!

  39. When testing the Patriots balls…..the NFL should deduct 1.5 PSI due to all the spiking done by the Gronkenator!!!

  40. I hate those sleazebags and their desire to avoid gathering data.
    They probably are avoiding systematically collecting data because they now understand that the truth makes them look stupid.
    Just like anybody who believed in their witch hunt looks stupid and will resent the NFL if it collected the data that shows the NFL made those believers in to chumps.

  41. You’d think that getting this right would cost them less that continuing to fight the Brady case in court. Criminy. This kind of decision making is not Goodell’s strong suit.

    Maybe Bernie Sanders should be the NFL Commissioner.

  42. It’s a useless exercise and not very scientific unless they measure temperatures inside and outside. They also need to record the time each ball is measured at halftime because the first ball measured will be colder then the last ball measured if it’s a cold weather game.

    For all we know this is an exercise just to prove they were right all along. They should have also a NFLPA rep and a credible scientist observing the measurements because I don’t trust the NFL to measure anything correctly.

  43. Unless the results favor what Goodell concluded regarding the Patriots I don’t see the league making those results public.

    Also, when they test the primary balls at halftime will they use the same gauge that the ref uses prior to the start of the game?

    Finally, if there is a difference in PSI at half time is the league going to conduct an investigation and penalize those teams?

  44. Gauge needs to be able to measure the internal temp of the ball as well as pressure. Pressure without temp is useless.

  45. Unless there is a team representative designated to be present while any measuring is going on, I wouldn’t believe any data put out by the NFL. They have zero credibility with me.

  46. Amazing!

    So here’s what I’m looking forward to the most this winter:

    1)) The playoffs

    2)) AFC and NFC Championship games

    3)) Superbowl 50

    4)) The results of the NFL’s baseline data on football PSI levels to see if the results are similar to the data from #Deflategate. (Unfortunately, because there were no specifications for calibrating and aligning the gauges the data won’t be completely accurate.)

    5)) Christmas.

    6)) And finally, if somehow the Patriots radio broadcast will somehow make it into the Superbowl teams’ headsets all the way in Santa Clara!!! Oh, Santa please make that happen!

  47. Should be simple enough for the networks to get max press devices and show the pressure on a window during the game. They won’t since that would end this forever. Anyone who ever had a basketball in cold climates knows it’s true.

  48. When it is proven that the NFL was “mistaken” Haternation will claim that Kraft paid them off. It’s a brilliant plan actually. You never have to deal with the truth.

  49. This is stupid. Just let the referees supply the balls. If Brady and Manning don’t like it, retire!!

  50. If they really wanted to know what happens to footballs they would test at every game in 2015, record PSI & temp before, at the half and after. Use a standard gauge at all facilities. The same official. Calculate the real PSI based on the Ideal Gas Law. And PUBLISH the results.
    We know the NFL won’t because it will show what a farce deflategate is and what a waste of the owners money the whole exercise was. Sad.

  51. Just goes to show that this entire off-season’s dog and pony show was just that, a dog and pony show. The NFL has no interest in actually maintaining a level playing field in regard to footballs being uniformly inflated for both teams.

  52. Random game?
    I’m predicting all these random games will be warm or in domes to they can avoid any chance of rain/cold dropping the temp. That way they can still cling to their lies.

  53. The only way we hear anything regarding this during the season and beyond, is if the readings are not lower at halftime. Then the league will leak that information to its favorite media members. Otherwise you won’t hear a thing. And there’s always the chance – because this test is being conducted by the league – that they will lie about their findings…no one would know.

    Is there any way the NCAA could conduct these tests? Or has the NFL sufficiently infiltrated those ranks as well?

  54. If the internal temperature of the football isn’t also recorded, then the exercise, as a means to prove/disprove Patriots tampering, is completely pointless.

  55. shockingly the Patriots fan was lying about getting assaulted and the Stadium cops were trying to intimidate a TE coach. Amazing what this corrupt team in Mass can get away with. Should be banned.

  56. What a joke. How long will each ball inside before it is tested. How many testers. If two gauges were known to provide different sets of numbers, how are the gauges going forward going to be calibrated?

    This smells like a “We gotcha” set up. Random? Watch this. Randomly select balls from 7 dome games. Randomly select the Patriots as the 8th game when they’re at home.
    Compared to the 7 dome game results, Patriot’s balls will be way underinflated. ESPN will report nothing but the random psi, the new “evidence” is submitted to appellate federal court. Appeal overturned. Brady sits.

    Just. Watch.

  57. This testing policy is proof of the ineptitude of the league and their commitment to continue this charade against tb and the pats. This plan is equivalent to a 6th grade effort. Why not consult with people with an earth science level of an adult? Are we trying to further muddy the waters or are we trying to get to the truth?

  58. The last two paragraphs are the perfect reasoning for why the NFL is doing it this way.

    I like the test all footballs before, at half and at the end of each and every game. Log the weather conditions, temperature, humidity, barometric pressure, etc. That would provide the necessary data for a true study.

    But since that makes sense, the league will do it the stupid way.

    I wonder how many “random” New England games are going to be included.

  59. There is only one reasonable explanation for not testing balls in ever game. The nfl doesn’t want to have proof that balls become defeated naturally is not unusual but they want to be able to say they have a policy to police against tampering. Hell, the nfl couldn’t even provide proof which gauge was used during the colts game.

  60. After he retired former NFL pro bowl QB Jeff Blake, who played for the Jets, Bengals, Saints, Ravens, Cardinals, Eagles and Bears admitted during a radio interview on Nashville 104.5 The Zone that he ordered ball boys to let the air out of his footballs just before the game throughout his NFL career. He played from 1992 to 2005.

    “Cause when you take the balls out of the bag, they are rock hard. And you can’t feel the ball as well. It’s too hard. Everybody puts the pin in and takes just enough air out of the ball that you can feel it a little better. But it’s not the point to where it’s flat. So I don’t know what the big deal is. It’s not something that’s not been done for 20 years.”

    The NFL never investigated any of these teams. They never fined any of these teams. They never penalized any of them either financially or by removing draft picks. No one in the sports news media has mentioned this once during Pats deflategate.

    No one ever gave a damn about variations in psi in a football until the former Jets executives who loathe the Pats and run the league office and Colts thought they could frame the Pats with it. This was nothing but an attempt to embarrass the Pats for no reason at all.

  61. It pains me to see some (or a lot of) people lacking basic science/physic knowledge and critical thinking skills.

    Thermal expansion happens with all matters happens since the beginning of time. The 180-years old Ideal Gas Law, taught at 11 grade, explains and calculates thermal expansion in gases. Thermal expansion in air is not Big Foot or Loch Ness monster where some people see it sometimes. It is a physic law, akin to the sun rises from the east ot water freezes at 32F.

    If a person cannot duplicate it, the fault is with that person and not because the physic law only works sometimes. Ted Wells basically get $5m dollars to see if he can see the sun rise from the east. Now NFL is continuing this moronic tasks to cover their ass.

    Under a steady atmosphere pressure (i.e. no tornado during the game), a ball inflated to 12.5psi @ 70F will contract (not leak) to 11.47psi @ 50F. This thermal (negative) expansion happened even if a human test couldn’t fully duplicate it.

    Engineers sent probes to Mars partially based on Ideal Gas Law without the benefits of sending a human tester to Mars to do an experiment first.

    Again, as an engineer and educator, this NFL PSI experimentation just pains me deeply.

  62. Random testing instead of routine? How lazy can you get? It is evident that the NFL does not care about ball inflation.

    It is not important enough to verify for every game therefore it is not important enough to care about at all.

    This not caring about ball inflation has been been part of the NFL’s attitude for forever which made the whole inflategate drama so infuriating.

    They were willing to tear down a great player’s reputation and stain his career over something they never really cared about.

  63. This just in:

    The NFL will test all balls used in stadiums in Florida, California, and all domed stadiums. This way the NFL will prove the Patriots deflated footballs in cold, wet, rainy weather.

  64. OR, let’s stop adding more rules and testing to a game that already has too much of that stuff and let each team set their balls at whatever psi they want. However the kicker and qb will have to use the same balls and the ref randomly picks the balls and throws them in. This way there is no competitive advantage and the balls would be set at the optimum psi.

  65. If conducted PROPERLY this is the only way we can find out the truth. I said from the beginning that the NFL should have waited until these studies were conducted to lay down a severe punishment on the Pats. If Brady was guilty of something he would’ve been a nervous wreck all season knowing that the truth would come out. Therefore, the owners and all the players that despise the Pats would have Brady playing on pins and needles the entire season. They could have said they were delaying punishment until proper tests were conducted…….But noooooooooooooo they wanted Brady’s head on a platter, and they also wanted 24/7 off season attention on the NFL. Truth is, I believe Mcnally was making sure the balls weren’t overinflated before every game, which in turn is a violation. However, I do not believe for one second that he was taking air out of the balls for an advantage. I believe when Tom cussed them out for the balls being overinflated to 16 it pissed mcnally off, and he knew that checking the balls after inspection is a violation.

  66. That’s because they know psi will come up low in every cold weather game they don’t have control over and would make them look like bigger idiots than they already are. Or maybe they don’t know it will.

  67. “The better approach would be to have a system in place to measure the PSI of all footballs at halftime and at the end of every game.”

    They should check the psi OUTSIDE so the balls have no time to start to warm up… and they should check them all, with a SINGLE digital gauge… and they should check them all

  68. I hope the Patriots record and publish all the air pressure results for all their games. Before, during and after a game. F the NFL and their rigged methods! KissTheRingS!

  69. Judge Berman asked the NFL if they were aware of the Ideal Gas Law at the time of the AFC Championship game. Perhaps he should have followed up with “Do any of you currently understand it?”

    Clearly they don’t of they are willing to change the environmental conditions to conduct their measurements.

  70. steelcitywhitty says:
    Sep 13, 2015 1:33 AM
    I’m just watching to see how many fumbles the Pats have this year. So far, 1 game 1 fumble.
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    That fumble doesn’t count or follow the standards of which the fumble stats were based on in that past bogus study that’s been de-bunked numerous times…. The Pats recovered the fumble so it’s still recorded as ZERO fumbles…..ZERO…see how the report was flawed??!!
    Not only that, it’s a guy that’s never played for the Pats before this year
    so NOBODY has a past record of how good his ball controll is to begin with…..
    & Brady has trouble with fully inflated balls, right??!… Oh wait, I guess that’s another myth the haters want to now ignore…. 4 TD,s & a near perfect passer rating in a game that was raining very hard…. But let’s ALL ignore the FACTS because the Patriots are cheaters….but, but, but,…. Keep up all those flawed stat claimed & LEAGUE sources claims so you can sleep better…. So many SHEEPLE out there it’s sad!!!

  71. The bottom line is the Ginger Hammer and his minions do not want the truth about this. If the results support the Patriots assertions that nobody tampered with the balls the then the league looks stupid. So they will not gather the data they should and when they do I assure that we won’t know the results. Will representatives from each team in that game be allowed when they check the balls because frankly does anyone truth the NFL not to lie. So far through all this deflategate foolishness only the league has been caught in lies.

  72. When they discover that cold wet weather, not to mention physically impacts on the football lead to a natural deflation will Goodell apologize? Will he return Krafts $1 M fine and their draft picks?

    Nope. Not going to happen.

    Goodell and a host of NFL suits already know what happens in those conditions, and they don’t want a plethora of tests to highlight their vendetta. So… random testing with the results of those tests kept secret ‘to protect the integrity of the game’ is the only solution. From Deflate-gate to Frame-gate, and now Hide-the-evidence-gate.

  73. Of course they will. If they stick to warm weather stadiums and domes, they can never exonerate the Pats.

  74. It would be better if they randomly checked a few balls from each team for every game…..you know like the 4 Colts balls….and since they were all low, they stopped checking them!

  75. Or they could look on the side of the Wilson NFL regulation football box and read the warning that says — Balls may deflate under certain conditions and then gives the psi you should inflate them to if that should happen.

  76. Seriously, does nobody get it? It seems that tampering of the footballs after the ref’s inspection was not only routinely done but was not exclusive to Brady. He just happened to be the one who was caught. How many players came out and said that it’s no big deal? Well it is a big deal. They can’t have inspections of every game day ball. They have to do it randomly.

  77. Ah, but which gauge will they use to measure the psi? The one with the logo or the one with the crooked needle?

  78. Amazing what incompetent morons are in decision making capacities in the NFL.

    They wonder why they are constantly criticized for whatever they do.

    Well morons stop screwing up every decision you make. Seriously there is no way any of these fools passed Kindergarten or they are mentally handicapped.

  79. kissbillsrings says:
    Sep 13, 2015 9:57 AM
    steelcitywhitty says:
    Sep 13, 2015 1:33 AM
    I’m just watching to see how many fumbles the Pats have this year. So far, 1 game 1 fumble.
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    That fumble doesn’t count …
    Not only that, it’s a guy that’s never played for the Pats before this year so NOBODY has a past record of how good his ball controll is to begin with…..

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    How about BJGE after he left the Patriots?

  80. Can anyone explain why the footballs need to be taken off the field to the locker room before reading the PSI? I would think they could be secured on the field with League and team officials to oversee their security and the same calibrated gague used on each measurement, before, during and after the game and for EVERY GAME in this season. Do we want answers or not? Oh…wait. I guess I just answered my own question.

  81. mtb2253 says:
    Sep 13, 2015 6:00 AM

    When it is proven that the NFL was “mistaken” Haternation will claim that Kraft paid them off. It’s a brilliant plan actually. You never have to deal with the truth.
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    Lol, yep. They just roll to the next delusion on the list.

  82. That fumble doesn’t count or follow the standards of which the fumble stats were based on in that past bogus study that’s been de-bunked numerous times

    The heck it doesn’t. So typical look for outliers to reflect. Like using other standards. Those stats were rerun many times using any/all standards the opposition could muster up. and still showed it to be the case. Read up on it at Nate Silver site.

  83. limakey says:
    Sep 13, 2015 10:55 AM

    Seriously, does nobody get it? It seems that tampering of the footballs after the ref’s inspection was not only routinely done but was not exclusive to Brady. He just happened to be the one who was caught. How many players came out and said that it’s no big deal? Well it is a big deal. They can’t have inspections of every game day ball. They have to do it randomly.
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    Why not? I’ve read all summer that a guy can deflate 12 footballs by .2PSI in under 2 minutes, so the officials can certainly take 5-10 minutes to check each football. Especially since this is THE most important rule in all of football.

  84. Why not? I’ve read all summer that a guy can deflate 12 footballs by .2PSI in under 2 minutes, so the officials can certainly take 5-10 minutes to check each football. Especially since this is THE most important rule in all of football.

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    but you would need an “Inflater” for that. lol

  85. fanofpft says:
    Sep 13, 2015 11:47 AM
    That fumble doesn’t count or follow the standards of which the fumble stats were based on in that past bogus study that’s been de-bunked numerous times

    The heck it doesn’t. So typical look for outliers to reflect. Like using other standards. Those stats were rerun many times using any/all standards the opposition could muster up. and still showed it to be the case. Read up on it at Nate Silver site.
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    1. Nate’s site also at first said the science in the Exponent report was spot on….until they were widely laughed at and then they retracted that.
    2. There is a big difference between fumbles and fumbles lost. Recovered fumbles don’t count as a fumble or a turnover.

  86. ocgunslinger says:
    Sep 13, 2015 11:45 AM
    Can anyone explain why the footballs need to be taken off the field to the locker room before reading the PSI?

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    You may be on to something. That would create less room for the gas law too. But what about the poor official who won’t be able to get out of the cold during half time?

  87. how about have the balls brought out 20 mins before the game and perform the inspection process on the field? This also reduces temp difference in the room and the outside argument.

    Plus the results (more consistent PSI) can’t be used to further either sides argument.

  88. 1. Nate’s site also at first said the science in the Exponent report was spot on….until they were widely laughed at and then they retracted that.
    2. There is a big difference between fumbles and fumbles lost. Recovered fumbles don’t count as a fumble or a turnover.

    Again for the umpteenth time. They were rerun. There are links to all this found by reading about them on the site.

  89. 2. There is a big difference between fumbles and fumbles lost. Recovered fumbles don’t count as a fumble or a turnover.

    Now that’s an oxymoron – recovered fumble not a fumble

  90. I suspect that no matter what, no PSI data will be forthcoming until after the NFL loses their appeal.

    Can’t have the truth tainting their case, even though everyone that isn’t a delusional hater, or that don’t believe in science, already knows the truth.

  91. So, what is the penalty for under inflated footballs?

    Will every QB considered guilty of more probable than not being generally aware that the footballs were under inflated and given a 4 game suspension?

    To be fair that is what the NFL MUST DO.

  92. Mmack, it is kind of like drug testing, if you know when every test is, and every player is going to be tested, it gives a huge advantage to the drug user. They will find away around it.

  93. steelcitywhitty says:
    Sep 13, 2015 1:33 AM
    I’m just watching to see how many fumbles the Pats have this year. So far, 1 game 1 fumble.
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    Wait a minute – I thought Brady orchestrated this conspiracy to release between 0.0 and 0.2 PSI per ball? If so, wouldn’t it be for primarily his benefit? Let’s see how he did in game 1:

    25 of 32, 0 int, 19 completions in a row, 4 TD’s and a passer rating of 143.8.

    How come you didn’t mention that?

  94. limakey says:
    Sep 13, 2015 12:48 PM

    Mmack, it is kind of like drug testing, if you know when every test is, and every player is going to be tested, it gives a huge advantage to the drug user. They will find away around it.
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    Everyone already knows that temperature affects the air inside of a football, so I don’t know what good it does to measure a football at halftime of a game.

    If, as the NFL loves to claim, they are so concerned with “the integrity of the game”, you need to make sure that the footballs are the right pressure at the start of the game, and not just by giving them a squeeze and calling them good.

    Lock those footballs up in a closet, and only let a referee take them down to the field.

    Just completely throw out all of the nonsense of trying to catch teams cheating. Control the situation, so you don’t have to worry about it.

    It’s pretty simple.

  95. That won’t work. If you take them from the cold field into a warm officials’ locker room, the temperature of the footballs won’t be steady, nor will the pressure.

    They still doing get it.

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