Seahawks, Chancellor stalemate continues

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With the cost of Kam Chancellor’s holdout already at $1.87 million through Week One, the addition of another lost game check will add another $267,000 to the total, pushing the total north of $2.1 million. And there’s no end in sight.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, there’s been no contact between the Seahawks and Chancellor’s agent since Tuesday, September 8.

It’s not a huge surprise, since there’s apparently nothing for them to talk about. The Seahawks are determined not to do anything with the three years left on Chancellor’s contract, leaving Chancellor’s options clear and defined: Show up or keep holding out.

Some think that a loss on Sunday night to the Packers would make the Seahawks more willing to get something done. For coaches or General Managers with less job security, there could be a much greater sense of urgency to get Chancellor back. But John Schneider and Pete Carroll have built up plenty of goodwill with the owner and fans over the last few years, and they’re surely feeling no connection between getting Chancellor back on the job and saving their own.

98 responses to “Seahawks, Chancellor stalemate continues

  1. Can we just fast forward to what the holdout will cost by week 10 when he will report and have done with it?
    Real team guy that Kam

  2. Chancellor must be single. My old lady kicks my arse and tells me to get out of my man cave and rush to my job on a Sunday if there’s overtime to be had. I can’t imagine Chancellor’s wife being supportive of missing game checks like his. Crazy!

  3. Maybe they could just throw in a year’s supply of Doctor Russ’s Magical Healing Holy Water (“It’s got nano-bubbles!”). That is, assuming it hasn’t been banned for its unrivaled performance-enhancing properties.

  4. If the Seahawks go 0-2 it means you overpaid a CB who’s not as good as advertised and the one who should’ve got the money is letting you know it and management is arguing over less than a million dollars for a player who sures up your backfield like you clearly need.

    What’s the cost of a win in a 16 game season. I bet you it’s more than the million they’re arguing over.

    Not a Seahawks fan, just observant of a defense that clearly doesn’t look the same without him

  5. Your agent is a complete idiot, and kam failed math. Holds out for money, only to lose 4.5 million this year. How he gets traded to Oakland

  6. The problem with drafting as well as the Seahawks have over a short period of time is that eventually all those cheap rookie contracts run out at the same time. Then you realize there isn’t enough cap space to keep everyone and tough decisions have to be made. They have Chancellor locked up. Adjusting his contract now would certainly hurt their ability to keep other key players next year. The Seahawks are in a tough spot because Chancellor is the key to that defense, and he knows it.

  7. Please stop with the honor your contract nonsense. In the nfl, that means nothing. Get what you can while the market says you are worth it. If Rodgers torches that secondary or lacy runs wild, he will have even more bargaining power.

  8. A few more weeks go by, and he is going to owe the team more than his salary…

    With his free time he should take a basic math course…

  9. ” But John Schneider and Pete Carroll have built up plenty of goodwill with the owner and fans over the last few years,”
    ****************
    Clearly that omits the main ingredient is winning football games … the players. Neither Schneider, Carroll, the owner nor the fans ever take a snap on the field of play. Diminishing the importance of player contentment and locker room chemistry is overplaying your hand, in my opinion.

    Losing winnable games to prove a point is counter productive and it has a ripple effect throughout the organization. We’ll see how much that goodwill is worth if the Ls begin to add up. If giving up 34 points is not convincing, after averaging around 13 over the last 3 years, then maybe I’m wrong, but pretending it’s all good ain’t working.

  10. Let’s have a legitimate scientific study. Everyone who is not happy with their wages just don’t show up for work this week. Get back to us next Saturday and let us know how it works out.
    LOL. Of course, that exempts the 13 year olds sitting in their mom’s basement.

  11. it’s easy to call a millionaire greedy……. seahawks will/need to cave in…….. seahawks are not going to be anywhere near the same without kam, and overpaying russell wilson does not help.

  12. I truly hope this backfires on him but a lot of people are saying he is stupid which couldnt be further from the truth. He is going to get probably 3 to 4 million pushed up from the last year if his deal and then hold out again 2 years from now and land a mega deal. This guy can incur 4 million in fines and still win financially. Only way he loses us if he upsets Seattle and they shutdown negotiations.

  13. Good for Kam, but it’s a system defense anyway. nobody on that d outside of Wagner , Thomas and Bennett have any real talent that would carry over to other teams. That’s why when one of the defensive players gets moved to other teams they get exposed…. Oh, and that’s why they got blasted for 34 pts by the rams after Quinn left. And we all know how good Wilson is when the defense doesn’t play well don’t we… 0-8 when opposing team scores 25 pts or more.

  14. Let him rot for the next 3 years and fade away into retirement. Something for him to regret as an older man that matures and gains wisdom.

  15. By the way he plays he will be done in 3 years and won’t get any penny after that.
    i think its an smart move by him, he is waiting to get traded because i guess he won’t be paid by the Seahwaks, Oakland for a 3rd round makes the most sense.

  16. If he’s been smart with his money, sitting out this whole year and FORCING them to give him a raise is the smart move. A guy who has a few million in the bank who will get 40+ million guaranteed from someone on the market has nothing to lose sitting out.

  17. 1. Teams cut players or force renegotiations on players 1 or 2 years into the deal all the time.

    2. For those that says to Kam to “honor” your contract. He is. He is choosing the penalties as spelled out in the contract to attempt to force a renegotiation of the deal.

    3. The team has a number of options…they can let him sit and rack up fines, penalties, and missed game checks, they can renegotiate, they can cut him, and they can trade him. They hold most of the leverage.

    4. However…….If their ultimate goal is to get to another Superbowl then Kam has a some leverage in that regard. He is a key piece on that defense. The team knows it and the fans know it. That’s part of the reason the fans are so upset.

    5. I actually don’t care if ANY NFL player attempts to use leverage at any point of their deal. If an MLB, NHL, or NBA player attempted this with their guaranteed deals I may call them out. But NFL? That’s the business model the league chose. Whoever has the most leverage can do whatever they want. Unfortunately for him Kam doesn’t have leverage here.

  18. I think the only resolution to this that will save face for both sides is a trade, with Kam guaranteeing not to do this to the new team or a agreed upon new contract with the new team.

  19. The people saying “if I did this at my job blah blah blah” are likely the same ones that believe it’s the Mexicans fault middle class wages are decreasing. YOUR JOB IS NOT SIMILAR OR COMPARABLE TO A PRO ATHLETE.

  20. Fine by me. Good on the Seahawks for holding ground. The calls to bring him back this week, just because his replacement slipped on one play, were silly.

  21. blackman510 says:
    Sep 19, 2015 10:42 AM

    When he ends his holdout they will takeaway the fines. He will also get his full salary this season so he will feel like he won. Full pay for 12 games.
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    Uhhhh, no.

    Hawks can waive the fines but the CBA does not allow them to pay for games missed.

  22. ” But John Schneider and Pete Carroll have built up plenty of goodwill with the owner and fans over the last few years,”
    ****************
    Clearly that omits the main ingredient is winning football games … the players. Neither Schneider, Carroll, the owner nor the fans ever take a snap on the field of play. Diminishing the importance of player contentment and locker room chemistry is overplaying your hand, in my opinion.

    Losing winnable games to prove a point is counter productive and it has a ripple effect throughout the organization. We’ll see how much that goodwill is worth if the Ls begin to add up. If giving up 34 points is not convincing, after averaging around 13 over the last 3 years, then maybe I’m wrong, but pretending it’s all good ain’t working.

    ——————

    In my opinion; Your short term logic is sound.

    However, consider this;

    1. Kam wants money moved from a later year(s) in his contract to a garanteed figure in the upcoming season. I totally understand this. He could have his career ended on any snap and he’s not getting any younger. Translation- He (as all players should) realizes his time is short.
    2. The Hawks have (according to some reports) have offered some of what he wants but are still about 900k away from Kam’s

    target.

    The big difference between the two sides here is longevity. If the Hawks cave, they make Kam happy for 3-5-10 (& 10’s a BIG stretch) years. The Hawks will have to live with the consequences of making the deal for the remaining life of the Carroll/Schinder administration.

    The locker room “seems” to be understanding of Kam and the team but I don’t believe that players are not considering their own contract reevaluations based on how this plays-out.

    Go Hawks

  23. can someone explain what week 10 has to do with kam. i keep seeing week 10 mentioned with kam alot. anyways the seahawks should stick with the fines and should probably trade him. i think hes gonna be butthurt and will hurt the team.

  24. Obviously there was nothing wrong with the contract when he signed it…. Now he wants a new one? I loved seeing Sherman get burned in St Lou….OVERRATED

  25. Difficult position for the Seahawks. They have to hold their ground or risk all of the other players asking for more. On the other hand, that defense is going to get shredded without him.

  26. Fair point on fumbles but Charles has had issues with that.
    Also fair to point out that Reid has had clock management gaffes for years. This is not a one-off.

  27. I have lost respect for Kam Chancellor. No accountability. Comments from people like scmems and chargerdillon make me wish they were in my fantasy league. Even our second and third string defensive guys turn into starters on other teams right away. Offensive line is the only area of concern that the Seahawks have.

  28. This dude is hurt! Don’t kid yourselves. He wouldn’t be on the field either way. Seahawks management know how run their team (maybe not play calls on the 1 yd line) better than any of us wannabe pundits. Trade this dude for 2 #1’s, and trust in your GM to find another gem. Signed a Broncos fan.

  29. Normally, I’m a labor guy and will take the worker’s side in a dispute with management. But the fact that Chancellor recently signed a new contract makes it hard to see his position here as motivated by anything except his ego. Which he really should have checked before going all-in. Because in his last game he was exposed as something of a liability against the pass. Chancellor’s a nice player. But he’s a throwback, the kind of SS that doesn’t have the same impact against today’s offenses that Brian Dawkins and John Lynch had against yesterday’s. I can’t imagine he’s going to get anything out of this holdout except plenty of time to rest.

  30. redandgoldhitman52 says:
    Sep 19, 2015 11:12 AM
    can someone explain what week 10 has to do with kam. i keep seeing week 10 mentioned with kam alot. anyways the seahawks should stick with the fines and should probably trade him. i think hes gonna be butthurt and will hurt the team.

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    It’s my understanding that if he returns and plays by week 10, this season counts as a season, “played” under his current contract. Meaning, he’s one season closer to free agency, a “realistic” window for contract renegotiations/extension, etc.

  31. redandgoldhitman52 says:
    Sep 19, 2015 11:12 AM
    can someone explain what week 10 has to do with kam. i keep seeing week 10 mentioned with kam alot. anyways the seahawks should stick with the fines and should probably trade him. i think hes gonna be butthurt and will hurt the team.
    ————
    Players have to have credit for at least 6 games in a season to have the season count towards fulfillment of a contract. Any sit outs or suspensions will not count towards the six games. That’s why Josh Gordon I believe is filling a grievance against the Browns for suspending him for a game last year leaving him short of his six after the NFL got their pound of flesh from him.

  32. redandgoldhitman52 says:
    Sep 19, 2015 11:12 AM

    can someone explain what week 10 has to do with kam. i keep seeing week 10 mentioned with kam alot. anyways the seahawks should stick with the fines and should probably trade him. i think hes gonna be butthurt and will hurt the team.

    Week 10 is significant because he can hold out all he wants. However, in order for this year to be credited as a full year he has to report by Week 10. Otherwise, this year gets nullified and he still have three years left on his deal. If he reports on Week 10 and plays the rest of the year, there will only be two years remaining on his contract.

    Not that it matters anyway…he’ll just hold out every year crying about how he needs more money.

  33. Trade this guy to the Raiders for a 1st and 4th round pick and be done with it. No player has held out in this CBS and missed games. Love Your Brothers and yet leave them hanging to try get more money with 3 years left on contract. He is the best SD in football but the new face of selfish sports players

  34. Pay the man!

    And pay him again in 2 years when he hold out again because the cap went up and he thinks not getting paid.

    And set a precedent so other follow suit, like Russel Wilson in a couple of years if the cap goes up and Andrew Luck set a new mark for QBs.

  35. The only thing that might make any sense about this holdout is that perhaps his knee is not or maybe never will be 100% again. I know it’s only speculation but has anyone seen him workout since the super bowl?

  36. Teammates may side with him for awhile. But if they keep losing because of uncertainty at position or because of the distraction etc and they start losing their goal-based bonus money, watch them start to turn against Kam. All His teammates have to honor their contracts. They will expect him to honor his as well.

  37. If he reports by week 10 just to try and get credit for a season played, do the Seachickens have to play him? If i were the Seaturkeys I’d hold him out, and let him retire ala the Browns to josh gordon two years back. Gordon is afterbirth compared to Kam, but there is a precedent i believe.

  38. When commas disappear from Chancellor’s bank statement, he’ll come back & the team will rescind the fines.

    The trick will be to avoid injuries, following the time off, and be able to give the team quality playing time.

    My bet is that he’ll come back and be marginal for the balance of the year, if he gets injured.

  39. Russell has his fake water for his fake personality, Marshawn has his Skittles for his wackiness. Perhaps when this is over, Kam can sell lube to help pull your head out of your arse.

  40. This is just what happens when you give into Skittles’ pouting and overpay the turnover-prone Wilson.

  41. If Kam was out injured, team would be in similar situation. It’s just a matter of time before Kam’s permanently replaced!!!
    Sad but true….no single player alone, by himself, can make team unbeatable, and that includes Kam!!!

  42. Kam Harvin

    Percy Chancellor

    Trade value dropping day by day too. He does this to the Seahawks, he’ll do it to other teams.

    Talk of Kam as a “leader”: Over. Forever.

    Slow clap for Kam’s agent, Alvin Keels.

  43. there are plenty of circumstances where a player outperforms his contract such as Russell Wilson who only had one year left and took the team to 3 playoffs and 2 SB within his first 3 years. however, with (3) count ’em, (3) years left on your contract then you are nothing more than a PIG ! get over yourself and at least play 2 more years on your contract and outperform it. this is just plain selfish, nothing more to be said……………

  44. …the Seahawks should have gave Kam what he wanted, increase pay for 2016. He plays this year per his contract. Trade him at end of season for at least a 1 and a 2 to a crappy team…Boom…win-win…instead of lose-lose…

  45. This is a business. So I could give two hoots in hell about “real team guy”, “honor your contract” etc. At this level, that (sadly) means nothing. Both sides will screw the other if give the chance.

    That being said … and I am no expert … I do wonder about the business wisdom of this holdout. Play another year and keep negotiating it seems to me.

    But … ain’t my job or my company. *shrug*

  46. chargerdillon says:
    Sep 19, 2015 10:13 AM
    If the Seahawks go 0-2 it means you overpaid a CB who’s not as good as advertised and the one who should’ve got the money is letting you know it and management is arguing over less than a million dollars for a player who sures up your backfield like you clearly need.

    What’s the cost of a win in a 16 game season. I bet you it’s more than the million they’re arguing over.

    Not a Seahawks fan, just observant of a defense that clearly doesn’t look the same without him
    —————-
    Not a Seahawks fan either-I agree with what you’re saying. As I understand it, part of the problem is that when Chancellor signed his contract it was under the old salary cap and soon afterward the NFL raised the cap by quite a bit….Kam wants a share of that. Seeing that they gave Russel, a good but not great QB so much; and, seeing that the team is in a fragile place because of the heartbreaking SB loss…I would’ve given Chancellor more as a gesture of good will–I’ve heard he’s the guy who calms things down in the locker room. The Seahawks need that this year.

  47. fwanky509 says:
    Sep 19, 2015 10:05 AM

    Seattle can win without him. Besides a QB. No One player doesn’t make or brake a team.

    how did his replacement do in week one? and what is their record after his first missed game?

  48. Based on the comments of this story I know alot of ya’ll never played football or understand the nature of the sport. Wanna know the difference between the NBA/ MLB to the NFL? Both of those sports allows the players to dictate the market and the money they receive is virtually guaranteed. Best part is that it doesn’t hurt the integrity of the sport and boast the moral of all around.
    The NFL is the worst paying sport between the three and they suffer the most post career injuries of the three sports leagues mentioned. 87/91 players in a survey suffered from CTE that’s 95% of people in one study. Owners have been dictating what players should get and what they can take away from players for too long. And after that horrible strike things actually got worse for the players. Owners can take away money or cut them without holding their obligations to those contracts. If I was the NFLPA I am demanding guaranteed money to these players. I’m 100% with Kam on this.
    Also please stop comparing normal day jobs with sports because you help made the sport a multibillion dollar corporation by investing time and money into it. Don’t like what you do? That’s on you.

  49. The NFL is the worst paying sport between the three and they suffer the most post career injuries of the three sports leagues mentioned. 87/91 players in a survey suffered from CTE that’s 95% of people in one study.
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    Then play basketball or baseball. This is what the NFL is, get over it.

  50. I love that Seattle is not backing down on this contract. I hope they stick all the team fines to him as well!

  51. One guy doesn’t want to honor the contract HE SIGNED, willingly, because he thinks he’s underpaid and has THREE years left on it. So he’s taking his ball and stayed home (Chancellor).

    One guy KNOWS he’s underpaid based on his production, has the same 3 years on his deal, showed up and gained 100+ yards receiving and a TD in Week 1, went through all the OTA’s and Training Camp (Antonio Brown).

    Look. It’s pretty simple. You shouldn’t sign any contract you’re going to regret.

    If the Seahawks fold their tent and give in to him, you can bet your mortgage that each of the 31 NFL teams will have a player doing the same thing, especially if they are a high profile player.

    And for those saying he can’t afford it, stop. For every knucklehead that blows their money, there are 99 others that have a financial adviser, live modestly and will be just fine. Chancellor is one of the latter.

  52. The rest of the NFL continues to win as the Seahawks, and especially Chancellor continue to lose.

    Chancellor loses this fight…… maybe he’s retired?

  53. Owners can take away money or cut them without holding their obligations to those contracts. If I was the NFLPA I am demanding guaranteed money to these players.
    *********************************************************

    You realize it was Dee Smith and THE PLAYERS who agreed to the CBA. It isin their contracts and or CBA that players can be cut..when a tam cuts them,therefore, they are living up to the terms of the contract. And teams can’t just take money away any time they want.

  54. stburke40 ..Wilson only had a year left on his contract. Good qb’s are hard to come by. SS’s are not. Chancy has 3 years left. That is it. Anything else you don’t get?

  55. groversword says:
    The only thing that might make any sense about this holdout is that perhaps his knee is not or maybe never will be 100% again. I know it’s only speculation but has anyone seen him workout since the super bowl?
    ——————————————————————–

    Interesting theory, but Chancellor doesn’t make another dime if he doesn’t play next season.

    If his knee is as bad as you think, he’s done.

  56. This makes no sense. I wonder if Chancellor needs HGH to heal his knee, and when he’s cleared the holdout ends.
    He played very injured in the SB and I’m sure he and the Hawks will fix this.
    This is likely a ruse to hide a PED suspension.

  57. If Kam’s agent is smart, he’ll have Kam report next week. Then once he’s out on the field, he’ll have him conveniently get injured (upper ankle sprain) so that he can sit on the sideline while collecting his pay.

    He won’t be the first disgruntled player to do it.

    Concerning Chubbyboy with your 6th grade communication skills, the difference between those sports has more to do with revenue sharing and team salary limits than anything else. The NFL is still a level playing field. Both MLB and NBA benefit those in large TV markets. Hence the reason why a team like NY Yankees can pay more for 5-6 players than the entire payroll of a smaller market team (Pittsburgh, Milwaukee, etc.). That’s why the NFL enjoys the fan support that has become sadly lacking in the other two.

  58. If Rodgers throws for 400+ yards and 3+ TD’s you bet they pay Kam on Monday. He’s not on any more steroids than the rest of the league. Funny how the MLB is totally cool with stimulants but not steroids and the NFL is totally cool with steroids and not stimulants. Has nothing to do with his hold out though.

  59. I have been a 12 since 76 and I am very proud of how the Hawks are handling this, as are most of the Hawks posters on this site. Don’t give a dime and make him honor his contract. Talk extension when he has 1 year left if he outperforms or continues to meet expectations…and please, PLEASE don’t give him his holdout fines back! GO HAWKS!!

  60. I wouldn’t hold out but I don’t blame him for doing it….if you have a short window in you career to get paid and you out preform your contract, I have no problem with you trying to get a new deal just like if you under perform on a contract the team would tell you to take a pay cut or get cut…..it a business, he will be back on the last week he is allowed to get credit for the yr which I think is week 10…all Seattle has to do is give him more of his money in earlier yrs and then rewrite it after next season so you give him the balance of his contract of 3yrs over two yrs and make that run for a second super bowl….time is running out…..

  61. I wonder if Chancellor and Revis has the same agent? Revis is the best CB in football, and the reason is simple, he gets paid. This is a Revis like tactic, and as long as the Seahawks keep losing or giving up 30 points a game, it strengthens Kam’s case. On another note, it’s crazy how everyone is saying Chancellor is greedy. What about the billionaire that is paying this guy? 1 million is like 1 dollar to this guy… Chancellor signed a non guaranteed contract, but everyone is saying players should honor their contract. No one says teams should honor the contract to the player. Yet salaries are reduced all the time, or restructured, or they get cut…

  62. hawktawker says:
    Sep 19, 2015 7:36 PM
    I have been a 12 since 76 and I am very proud of how the Hawks are handling this
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    If they keep losing your opinion will probably change. Kam will show up week 10 to get credit for this year, and if the seahawks don’t make the playoffs, or if he gets hurt.. Who won? All because your billionaire owner didn’t want to pay him. I don’t understand the “Stop we need our money for Free Agents next year?” mentality. What?? The cap is going up for the next few years… Kam is the best safety in football and they are letting this guy waste his years on a couch, meanwhile you the fan will watch your defense suck. Then throw in the fact Kam can do the same thing next year too!

  63. So many penny wise but pound stupid folks on here to count….smh….what’s 4 million this year when you can get 40 million GUARANTEED. Kam is doing the right thing financially with this, I know it sucks as a hawks fan but this is the business and it’s actually wise to wait for that large lump sum(that he will eventually get from the hawks or another team) than to risk it for what he’s losing out on now

  64. Front office personnel are like: “Contracts are made to be broken once you’re of no use to us”

    Seahawks, stay committed even if it cost you another chance at a Super Bowl.

  65. At this point I would be OK with just taking whatever Kam is demanding and giving it to Bennett to send a message.

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