At 0-2, will Seahawks remain dug in?

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In 1993, Cowboys running back Emmitt Smith held out. He missed the first two games of the season, Dallas lost both, and then Emmitt got paid.

In 2015, Seahawks safety Kam Chancellor has held out for the first two games of the season. The Seahawks have lost both. So what happens next?

As PFT has reported, the two sides haven’t talked since September 8, five days before a season-opening 34-31 loss to the Rams in St. Louis. Now, the morning after a 27-17 loss to the Packers at Lambeau Field, will someone make a phone call?

In 1993, Dallas owner/G.M. Jerry Jones blinked. In 2015, Seattle owner Paul Allen hasn’t. As Peter King of TheMMQB.com noted on last night’s edition of NBC’s Football Night in America, G.M. John Schneider enjoys the full support of ownership in connection with the team’s decision to hunker down.

For Chancellor, the total cost of the holdout has now gone north of $2.1 million. For the Seahawks, his absence has helped contribute to an uncharacteristically porous defensive performance.

The Seahawks led the league in scoring defense the past three years, the first time that has happened since the 1969-71 Vikings. In 2012, Seattle allowed 15.3 points per game. In 2013, they surrendered 14.4 points per game. In Seattle, the average was 15.9.

Through two games, the 2015 average sits at 30.5. Advantage Chancellor, in theory. But until the Seahawks blink, it doesn’t matter. So far, they haven’t.

60 responses to “At 0-2, will Seahawks remain dug in?

  1. What would Bekechick do? dude has already gotten paid, and is losing $$ don’t give in and keep losing!Go Pats!

  2. Debatable that Chancellor’s absence has caused these losses.

    Indisputable that they have criminally underused Graham and have serious O Line issues.

    Here’s the thing with principles – if you cave on them, you never had them in the first place.

  3. I hope the front office doesn’t blink, otherwise it makes these two losses hurt more. Can’t set a precedent paying guys with 3 yrs left on their deal.

  4. I think a lot of Seattle fans are kidding themselves if they think missing an all pro safety from their line up hasn’t contributed to their 0-2 start. That team should be at least 1-1.

    The team is within its rights to not renegotiate and the player is within his rights not to play and forfeit game checks. However this situation is hurting both.

    On a certain level both sides are right. The team can’t maintain a salary cap if stars can renegotiate their deals 1 or 2 years in. But I can definitely see Kam’s point that teams often force renegotiations of deals if they think the player has underperformed or simply that the market no longer pays at the rate the contract pays.

    Unfortunately this is the system the owners want to provide them as much flexibility and power over the players as possible. So situations such as this will pop up every few years.

  5. Big time life long Seahawk fan here for a full two years now.
    I don’t think this is gonna set us back too much, we have a cupcake schedule and I hear God just told my main man Wilson he needed to let GB have this one.
    Go hawks

  6. Is Chancellor not being there the only reason that they lost? Or is it the more likely issue that there are more issues with the defense losing multiple pieces that causes the problem?

    Either way, I personally don’t view it as a pay him/ not pay him scenario. It is a can they afford to pay him what he wants? People keep talking about a possible 900k difference as if it isn’t a big deal. In actuality it might be, currently the Seahawks are over the cap next year. Until they know what the actual cap number for next year (which won’t be out for sometime) paying Chancellor too much would cut their figurative throats in other ways.

    Since they have already offered to give him more than 75% of what he asked for (3.1 or 4 million moved from 2017 to 2016), maybe he should take that and run with it. Negotiations are when both sides work towards a resolution. It doesn’t sound like Chancellor is willing to do that. And as long as he is in an all or nothing frame of mind they should not submit.

  7. I think it would require a larger sample set. Last year, with Kam, Seattle gave up 27 to the Rams in St Louis, and playing the Packers on the road was also a tough task to keep a team anywhere near prior years PPG, whether #31 is on the field or the couch. Also, last year they faced 6 of 16 games with backup QBs, padding the defensive numbers.

  8. When teams win, teams feel the pressure to keep the band together which usually means over paying. Look at the Giants….Eli is awful but Eli gets $22mill/yr. Flacco is awful but Flacco gets paid.
    And in Seattle……massive contract for a RB, massive contract for a running QB, big $$$ for a TE that must catch passes from a run 1st QB. Seattle is making the same commitment mistakes that create top heavy rosters with no depth…it doesn’t work for very long.
    The NFL system forces most teams to meet in the middle eventually. …except in New England. For the most part, foundation players there have taken less than the open market would offer…the price of remaining a winner. Dollars left on the table enable Belichick to stack depth…something most teams have no understanding of. Typical NFL teams pay the stars to sell the tickets. Look at any team that is forking over $14 mill/year to a WR that touches the ball 6 times on a good day. Belichick got his Gronk for half the price,
    Most play checkers…BB plays chess

  9. The Seahawks are not 0-2 because of Chancellor. They are 0-2 because of poor execution on offense and missed tackles on defense. Not to mention playing killer teams on the road to open the season

  10. That’s it, stick to your guns Seattle. Stand your ground, all the way to the cellar. So far the defensive scoring has doubled over that of the last 3 years.

    Team morale and cohesion is dissipating, but at least you’re making a statement. Yeah, you’ll show Kam who’s boss.

    0-2 …

  11. I usually side with the players, since their ‘contracts’ can be canceled easily at any time…but in this case, the guy has THREE years left. It’s not like he’s angling for an extension in the final part of his contract. Come on man.

  12. It depends. If you are the teams brain trust and think his absence contributed to the losses then you pay him. If you don’t, then you don’t. It’s really that simple.

  13. The Seahawks had a plan – they signed players according to the plan to be successful and I think it would work – as long as players stop trying to force a renegotiation one or 2 years into their new deal.

  14. Hey they got a 20 million+ franchise QB, so what if it causes some collateral damage.

    Just the cost of doing business.

  15. Boy, it’d be fun to watch if the Seahawks refuse to deal. Would Chancellor really sit out an entire season? Those fines are gonna be substantial.

    Of course, it’s easy for me to say that – I can’t stand the Seahawks, so I’m more than happy to watch them flounder.

  16. Please dont blink….he signed his contract. If i failed to show up to work, then I’d be fired. They want it to be like a normal business, then treat it as such. Clause it up in the future where fired players can not sign with any team until contract is fulfilled.

    Correct me if wrong…..doesn’t the NFL have to honor contracts of those they cut to a certain extent?

    But, they will simply sign him to a different contract and give him his fines back in the form of a signing bonus.

  17. They started down the slippery slope of paying players before their contract was up like Earl and Russell… Compounded by the fact they traded for Jimmy and his huge contract…Jimmy is making Kams Money…Jimmy hasn’t helped them win ish!

    Pay Kam! Or continue to lose…

  18. Seattle will probably be 7-3 or so in a number of weeks and all this talk will quiet down. It’s tough to win at Lambeau against Rodgers. Figure out a way to live without Chancellor and move on. That’s the measure of great team. 1 player doesn’t make or break a team unless it’s your star quarterback.

  19. I hardly think that all has to do with Chancellor. Did you see the look on Richard Sherman’s face when they dared to call a penalty on him? In fact, he got called for two penalties within a few plays. It’s amazing how good your defense can be when you are allowed to mug the receiver and the refs look the other way. The one play he got called, he did nothing but hold and grab. No wonder.

    Oh, and I thought it was interesting to see how Aaron Rodgers burned BOTH Sherman AND Earl Thomas on that free play. SO much for the Legion of Boom. Their pass coverage technique is more like Legion of Pass Interference.

  20. I guess their obnoxious, excuse making, 2 year, fair weather fan base can go back to rooting for the Canucks.

  21. I knew this analogy would come up….

    However, as good as Chancellor is. ……he is not even remotely close to the difference maker Smith was….nor is this Seahawks team as talented as that 1993 Cowboy team.

    This Seahawks team quite frankly is not as good as the past two seasons…they have lost a bunch in terms of talent ( besides Chancellor) and coaching…

    And while on paper the trade for Jimmy Graham looked like a master stroke…it was a lateral move, or even a step backwards…losing Max Unger was a serious blow to now what is an average (at best) offensive line.

    Like all teams in the salary cap era…there always is a time when you have to pay the piper….and after 2 seasons of getting phenomenal production out of the bottom of their payroll, the Seahawks are having to pay up now….and it was both predictable and expected.

  22. Not bc of him, I’ve said all along that the new DC will not replace Dan Quin who’s in Atlanta now. I’ve predicted the Seahawks won’t make the playoff this year before the season started, and people think I’m a joke. Sad but true.

  23. Do not reward GREED! He is the only player in the entire NFL who is refusing to play out his contract. You have to go back two decades to find this level of greediness. Maybe he holdouts long enough so that he’s writing a check to the Seahawks for all the grief he is causing to his teammates and the organization that took a chance on him AND “paid” first before Sherman, Thomas, Wilson and Lynch.

    Even with MIcrosoft, Amazon,, and Starbucks, Seattle is still more of a blue collar town that prides itself on their people whot keep to their WORD. When Kam is “forced” to show up in Week 10, I hope they make him inactive for the rest of the season. What made Kam so good WAS his passion and love for the game which is now obviously out prioritized by GREED.

  24. Anyone who looked at the Hawks’ schedule knew that there was a good possibility of going 0-2. There is also a very good possibility of them going 10-2. They have the 4th hardest schedule in the NFL this year, they haven’t played even one home game, and they’ve never lost by more than 10 points in the last three years. It’s WAY too early to panic. With or without Kam, they’ll find a way.

  25. I think that not paying the Refs is more of an issue for the Seahawks. They were the biggest factor for them winning over the past few years beginning with the Fail Mary.

  26. People talk about Kam like his deal was 4 years 28 million, but it only added 4 years to his deal. It was really a 5 year 29.5 million instead of a 4 year 28 million contract.

    Kam is worth more than 5.6 million a year.

  27. Cam Chancellor blocked me on Twitter… u mad bro? Take my advice and play out the deal u signed.

  28. Anyone who looked at the Hawks’ schedule knew that there was a good possibility of going 0-2. There is also a very good possibility of them going 10-2. They have the 4th hardest schedule in the NFL this year, they haven’t played even one home game, and they’ve never lost by more than 10 points in the last three years. It’s WAY too early to panic. With or without Kam, they’ll find a way.

    The Seahawks are only playing 12 games this year?

  29. One former NFL player commentator on NBC pre-game said: Kam is spoken as a “team leader,” but, he is not because he is only concerned with himself and what he can get, NOT on his team and teammates which is what a LEADER would be concerned.
    He is soiled goods!!! Hawks owner is correct, “no play, no pay.”

  30. You can’t cave to him now. That would set a devastating precedent that the other players on their roster could hold over ownership’s head. I can definitely see someone like Michael Bennett pulling this stunt if it works out for Chancellor. Don’t like your contract? Don’t play and if and when they start losing they’ll have to come crawling back. Seahawks need to stick to their position here

  31. Well the Jimmy Graham trade is paying huge dividends so far. 1 catch yesterday and a ton of decoy plays.
    Besides they didn’t really need that center. They’re running the ball great.

  32. The team will stand by their policy, regardless of W/L record.

    Kam will do as he feels he needs to, regardless as well.

    I don’t see him showing up before the last possible moment…Week 11, so he can get 6 games in. It’s possible that there will be a resolution before then, but I think the probability is low.

  33. Defense was much better this week than last. Stupid mental mistakes like off-sides and leaving the man you are supposed to be covering can be easily fixed. Kam has nothing to do with offensive side of ball. Let him sit out. When he wants to come back in week 11, deactivate him every game.
    Maybe we win the Rams game with him. I’m not sure we win the GB game with him or without. Too much of football is emotional and GB had all the emotional reasons to beat us last night.

    Go Hawks

  34. JaminJake says:
    Sep 21, 2015 9:23 AM

    Kam is worth more than 5.6 million a year.

    Then you pay his salary.

  35. I would be more apt to think Kam helped cause these losses because he is not a man that honored his contract. To assume they win if he is there is presumptuous at best. I would not only leave his contract as is if I were Seattle, I would exercise any option I had of not bringing his disgruntled self back to the team and make sure he gets paid nothing. I would not allow him to be traded. When he starts complaining about not making any money, he can be reminded by his own union, that he wasn’t a man that honored his contract.

  36. Never thought I’d see the day when Paul Allen, with a net worth of over 17 BILLION dollars, would be such a cheapskate. I would back Paul if he was dealing with a Suh situation ($114 million over 6 years, could disappear as soon as the ink is dry). But Kam’s talking a few million bucks; he’s earned it. He risks his long term health when he dishes out those big hits.

  37. I would be more apt to think Kam helped cause these losses because he is not a man that honored his contract. To assume they win if he is there is presumptuous at best. I would not only leave his contract as is if I were Seattle, I would exercise any option I had of not bringing his disgruntled self back to the team and make sure he gets paid nothing. I would not allow him to be traded. When he starts complaining about not making any money, he can be reminded by his own union, that he wasn’t a man that honored his contract.
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    Don’t budge an inch Seattle.
    Let this jerk rot on the bench.

    As stated above, he is NOT a man of honor or his word.

  38. This isn’t a one player issue

    Belichick lost his top 2 CBs and he’s 2-0 with the D holding it’s own in a bend but don’t break approach (they gave up a lot in what they thought was garbage time – lesson learned)

    The bottom line for the Seahawks – they’re really beginning to question whether their head coach knows what he’s doing

    Obviously this started with the inexplicable goal line call to lose the Super Bowl

    Once confidence in a head coach erodes it’s all over

    Carroll should know – that’s what happened to him in New England. He told his team to call a time out on the sideline – they looked at him – ignored him, ran the play and won the game.

    It was all over for him in New England then and the same thing is happening in Seattle

  39. Statisticly the hawks starting at 0-2 hawks have a 12% chance of even making the playoff.s, if they get their act together NOW! However i know the Hawks can beat those odds. If Kam The Krybaby stays out and they lose more games it will come to a point real soon that it will not make a difference if he comes back or not. If they miss a chance to go to the playoff the season is over and it makes no difference if they lose every game after that. In fact it would be good so we could get a high draft pick and get a replacement for Krybaby Kam. The guys is showing he doesnt care about his teammates and is willing to throw away their season as well. If i was a billionare owner i would keep him and let him sit and go broke and after his contract is over and his chance to make money is over i would do all i could to ruin his life in every way possible. If he got a job i would buy the business and have him fired until the only place he could work would be Burger King. Football is a team sport and when you do what he is doing you are not just screwing yourself but every player on that team. Kam is not a leader but a loser and i hope he goes down in history as the nothing that he is. Doesnt make the Hall of Fame and is remembered as a player that was so stupid and selfish that he hurt his team and destroyed himself. I hope his pride takes him down to nothing and broke.

  40. The Seahawks lost a great defensive coach. Then they lost their defensive player coach. Seahawks cannot bring back Quinn but they can get Chancellor back into the fold. The sooner they do the better.

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