Frustrated Pagano tough on Luck after loss

AP

The Colts were a mess from the beginning Monday night and were ultimately doomed by five turnovers — three Andrew Luck interceptions — in a 20-7 loss to the Jets.

After the game, Colts coach Chuck Pagano didn’t try to hide his frustration with his quarterback and his team as a whole.

“He’s got to take care of the football,” Pagano said in his postgame press conference. “It’s not that hard. It’s not trigonometry.”

The simple math says that the Colts have scored three touchdowns and committed eight turnovers through two games, both losses.

“Can’t turn the damn ball over,” Pagano said.

Gregg Doyel of the Indianapolis Star, who was at the game and at the postgame press conference, wrote that Pagano was “throwing Luck under the bus.”

While the Jets clearly frustrated Luck with a variety of blitzes and sometimes just by simply overpowering them in one-on-one battles in the trenches, Pagano hinted that Luck has to overcome his line’s shortcomings.

“[That has] been the case for three years now, hasn’t it?” Pagano asked. “He should be more than comfortable dealing with it.”

148 responses to “Frustrated Pagano tough on Luck after loss

  1. I mean if any QB turned the ball over four times (he had that fumble too) their coach might be pissed.

    I don’t think it’s throwing him under the bus per se, I mean he didn’t pull a Jay Gruden. It will be interesting to see how this plays out though, if the rumor is true that there is a struggle for control between him and the GM.

    Luck should be throwing his GM under the bus. Dude is responsible for not getting him a decent line.

  2. Luck was considered so remarkable because of that single reason which was the perceived lack of talent on the Colts roster.

    Am I wrong here?

  3. With all respect to the Jets defense (who played great) Colts OC Pep Hamilton continues to have no clue how to adjust in-game. Their crappy offensive line was getting chewed up and spit out. Hamilton keeps calling for deep balls and slow developing vertical routes. For all the gum flapping Hamilton does, he lives to hand games over to stout defenses that don’t just let his receivers run wild.

    The moral of the story here is: there’s a whooooole lot more to being on top then just telling everyone you are. Thank you, Jets for further exposing this phony team.

  4. Wilson>Luck

    How bad did luck look tonight…and don’t even start with the defense and running game. Luck completely sucked all by himself.

  5. Overcome his line’s shortcomings? You’re insinuating that he HAS a line. Yes, it has been that way for three years.. it DOES NOT mean that it should be that way. Just because your gm is the kinda guy that gives up first round picks for trent richardson..

  6. Man, I get Pagano’s frustration. As a fan, I am every bit as frustrated as him. But even if this game falls on Andrew Luck, you can’t throw him under the bus like that, and it’ll do nothing to make Irsay think twice about finding a new head coach for him.

  7. They are frauds. Have been for a long time. Now they are finally playing stingy defenses and tougher teams and getting exposed for what they really are. Their division will also be slightly better this year with Jacksonville and Tennessee not being two win teams.

    They should tear it down. Fire the coordinator, fire the poor coach, fire the even worse general manager. Was I the only one who saw the turnover of their offensive line since Luck has been there? That’s insane.

  8. That sounds just like a guy who’s about to get fired and is going down swinging.

    Would appear as though Luck is a Grigson guy…..

  9. Pagano should ask his GM to draft him an offensive line, or a defensive line for that matter. Drafting Dorsett in the first round was stupid, the Colts are too soft. Why so many experts pick them to go the Super Bowl is a mistery.

  10. Sounds like all this Saban talk is getting to someone…
    On the other hand, so what if Luck gets thrown under the bus. Maybe that’s what he needs to light a fire under his ass.

  11. The Colts can try to tattle on the Jets to Goodell, but they aren’t going to get the same punishment he tried to give to New England.

  12. Wow, when has a coach ever said

    “[That has] been the case for three years now, hasn’t it?” Pagano asked. “He should be more than comfortable dealing with it.”

    Isnt it the coach responsible for protecting his QB? Rather then throwing his QB under the bus, Pagano should understand that its his job to make sure Luck stays upright. Acting like the QB should be comfortable with pressure because you havent done your job for the last 3 years is just asking to be fired.

    I say fire Pagano and if Colts lose next week, and make Chud the interm. Fire grigon in the off season, and bring in someone like Kyle Shanahan, or Josh McDaniels to get Luck to go where he needs to go.

  13. Remember, when you’re a mediocre coach of a team whose talent base atrophies annually, go ahead and throw your franchise player under the bus. Better yet, do it in as belittling a fashion as possible!

    P.S. Trigonometry isn’t all that complicated. SOHCAHTOA. Use angles to find lengths, and vice versa. I wouldn’t feel too good about my coach if he presented Trigonometry as equivalent to “rocket science”.

  14. Indy is nothing but the ugliest baby in the maternity ward at this point. The beloved Colts, the darling pick to go to the SB….is no longer wanted. Off to the orphanage for you guys!

    Also, real men and real football players play outside. That dome was like a big echo-y tomb. Dreadful.

  15. So many teams draft a high first round QB, and then don’t have and won’t get an O-line to protect the guy. David Carr the classic example. More recently RG3, Luck, Winston. Pagano is clearly not happy with Grigson.

  16. Yes it has been like that for 3 years with the poor o-line. Yet you, your coaching staff and your G.M. haven’t done a damn thing about it. Not to mention, providing little to no help in the form balanced offense with supportive running game. I’m just a football fan but I know it’s easy to tee off on a QB when there is no threatening RB behind him.

  17. Been some enjoyable home game implosions from favoured teams this weekend.

    Chiefs, Eagles, Colts, Saints. Throw in another Giants meltdown.

    Good times.

  18. Awww, that’s a shame. POS lying, cheating scumbag ownership and management. Crash and burn in your cozy playdome, Dolts

  19. I know it’s only 2 weeks and things will charge, but my Raiders have more wins than Indy, Sea,Det, NO, Phi, combined. What are the Vegas odds on that, and how I would of loved to have to have had a C-nie on that

  20. Russell Wilson’s line is made up of 2 former defensive tackles and a college TE AND just moved a OT to guard bc he Sucks.. Has has almost no receiving threats outside of Graham who is still adjusting to the team and an unproven rookie who are both new additions.

    Russell Wilson is pressured and hit more often than luck or any qb based on Attempts and has less weapons and plays in a ridiculous defensive division.

    I say that to say this, Andrew luck is a better overall qb prospect but he loses as many games as any player in the NFL based on some terrible decisions. His Oline is wayyy better than Seattles especially this year ( which isn’t to say his line is good but to point out just how bad Seattles Oline is) his team has no balance which is partly coaching and partly personnel.

    If RW isn’t elite bc he wins alot based on his Defense and doesn’t throw for a ton of yards than why exactly is luck elite when his team is built to showcase his abilities and plays in the weakest division in football for something like 10 years. Their are too many fantasy football fans out here maskerating as real knowledgeable football fans..

    Certain teams showcase certain players and most of you fools eat it up and or use it as ammo to put someone else’s team or players down.

    If RW was on the Eagles he would have won league MVP already. But his system showcases Lynch MAINLY bc the Seattle Oline has been bottom 3 for 4+ years. If not for hidden yards like lynch getting an average of 3.1 yards after contact and Wilson rushing for 50 yards a game the hawks Oline would be more obviously known as the worst olines in all of football. But because lynch and Wilson mask inefficiencies many people just look at passing yardage bc this easy to criticize when others are pass happy and don’t care at all about Balance and we wonder why Seattle has been so successful in spite of lack of offensive talent outside of RW and beast mode.

    When other players struggle as often as luck they don’t point out supporting cast as the first reason.

    Luck is still very young but honestly bc he’s so nerdy and was appointed the next great he’s been given a pass other players in worse situations don’t get at all..

  21. Pagano is no longer capable of coaching this team. Luck is still capable of being this team’s quarterback

  22. I really can’t blame Pagano. Luck gets a pass for EVERYTHING. Imagine if Cam had a game like this, there would be hundreds of articles saying “Cam can’t read a defense” or “Cam fails yet again”. The GM has spent so much draft picks and money on offense, yet they can’t even score more than 7 on a legit defense. Colts are fake contenders every year. Since 2013, the Colts are 12-0 vs the AFC South and 10-12 vs everyone else. Tells you everything you need to know right there.

  23. “[That has] been the case for three years now, hasn’t it?” Pagano asked. “He should be more than comfortable dealing with it.”

    -Who is Pagano throwing under the bus? Luck for not dealing well under pressure, the GM for not getting better players on the oline, or himself for not being able to make a functional oline based on the players he’s had over the last three years?

    Seriously if the online has been such a problem for three years I think that Pagano saying that Luck should be used to it really means that Pagano should be dusting off his resume.

  24. “[That has] been the case for three years now, hasn’t it?” Pagano asked. “He should be more than comfortable dealing with it.”
    _________________________

    And that’s the stupidest thing I’ve heard all week……

    3 years? And you haven’t addressed the line? And that’s on Luck…..okay.

  25. wow, i was ALMOST with Pagano here. You want to be the face of the franchise? Cool, that’s what every team wants from their QB. But if you are, you get a majority of the blame, deserved or otherwise.

    However, the last quote…”it’s been like that for 3 years, hasn’t it? He should be more than comfortable dealing with it”…..so basically he is saying “Clearly I can’t coach these guys up, and the front office can’t identify talent at those positions, so he should just be able to play anyway, even with a severely sub-standard line”

    I’m pretty sure that is in fact the definition of throwing a guy under the buss. If anything, if your franchise QB has been in the league 3 years, an you have failed to even get the line to the level of average in those years, shows a major failure of the coaching staff and front office.

  26. “[That has] been the case for three years now, hasn’t it?” Pagano asked. “He should be more than comfortable dealing with it.”

    sooooo…blame the qb after he’s had to put up with it for 3 years? how about ya fix the line?

  27. Pretty hard to throw Andy Luck “under the bus” – there’s a balance to everything. Andy has been good to sensational for three seasons. Two games should do justice to do the “bus” thing to him. Something is definitely wrong with the Colts offensive engine, and Andy is a cog, but is not totally all to blame…

  28. I remember another Colt coach who criticized their franchise quarterback years ago.

    Pagano should be asked about the playoffs. Maybe it’ll lead to another classic rant.

  29. Pagano is understandably pissed. He’s gonna be out of a job pretty soon. Not sure it’s a good idea to throw the one guy who could stand up for you under the bus, though.

  30. When good teams face adversity they come together and fight back. Flawed teams point fingers and protect themselves. For all those who anointed the colts the superbowl pick how do you feal now?

  31. Get the man an offensive line! Grigson and company has got to go.

    Grigson – “We can’t run the ball and our QB is always running for his life. I know lets draft a WR and sign another, that will help.”

  32. It’s not just tough luck, coach. It’s the Curse of Tom Brady. Yea and unto those who did persecute Him a sea of sorrows did rise.

    The Colts are 0-2 and the ball is like unto a greased watermelon in their hands.

    The Ravens are 0-2 and hath lost, most recently, and most improbably, a shootout to the Oakland Raiders.

    The Giants are 0-2 because, having sold their collective souls to the Devil, they were the sons of good fortune and stiffed Tom out of his fifth and sixth Super Bowl rings.

    And the Seahawks, yea, they who believed against nature that they could stand between Tom and his fourth ring, they, too, are 0-2.

    Selah.

  33. Boy somebody on OCT 18th is going to get their AS**S handed to them by the PATRIOTS….hmmmmm thinking 63-7? Your B*TCH boy owner who wrongly accused the PATRIOTS,,last year in your humiliating loss,,is going to have to move out of INDY. Ohhhh thats right he did that once before when you were the BALTIMORE COLTS….LMAO

  34. “[That has] been the case for three years now, hasn’t it?” Pagano asked. “He should be more than comfortable dealing with it.”

    Um, maybe you and the GM should’ve taken care of that problem by now, don’t you think? Instead of blaming Luck, maybe you should work on creating a less embarrassing pocket for him to pass in.

  35. Perhaps Pagano should go out there to play QB so he can see what it’s like to get hit on every single pass play after only having 2 seconds or less to get rid of the ball. Maybe then his tune will change.

    Or maybe he should have more strongly suggested to the front office in IND that they should have invested in upgrading their OL instead of bringing in way-over-the-hill players like Andre Johnson and Frank Gore and spending a high draft pick on Phillip Dorsett.

    Even the most dysfunctional franchises like CLE and WAS know to 1) get franchise QB and, 2) immediately draft OL to protect said QB.

    The Colts have done nothing to address the line of scrimmage on either side of the ball and it’s painfully obvious that they should have. But till they do, put Pagano out there so he can feel what it’s like & shut his trap about who “should be used to” playing behind a shoddy OL.

  36. Don’t forget what’s in store for week 5…. expect to see more Colts jaking injuries so that they don’t have to be part of the evisceration… #framegate

  37. They have a crap offensive line and a defense that still has holes a mile wide. Not sure how any of that is Luck’s fault. Guy’s getting killed back there. When they ever play a team with a real offense they are going to be destroyed, a la Pats in the playoffs. Happy my Jets are 2-0 but feel bad for Luck.

  38. And Grigson keeps drafting WRs. No urgency to get an O lineman in the draft……until the 7th round. It’s as if the GM is designing a team to fail…..so he can ax the coach

  39. Damn… Hey Pagano, Luck is the only good thing your team has going for it. Everyone in that building should be thanking Luck for carrying that team on his back the last 3 years. He had a bad game… He is allowed to have a bad game once in a while.

  40. Colts are 0-2 against AFC East teams. The NFL should swap the Colts and the Dolphins and the Colts would never again even sniff the playoffs. Softest team in the NFL.

  41. Brutal. An offensive line that couldn’t protect him and wide recievers that couldn’t get open to save their lives, and Luck is the one he throws under the bus?

    And his explanation is that the line has been terrible for three years and he should be used to it? Direct shot at Grigson.

    This is not going to end well, I suspect.

  42. Is it normal to see so many rushers unblocked? Is protecting a franchise QB just not a priority for the coaches or management?

    Luck should quit and go to Canada until Grigson is wacked.

  43. It absolutely amazes me how deep it affects a team’s performance on the field when the front office and coach are not seeing eye to eye..we saw the same thing in SF last year..a once dominant team turned to mush…When are these owners going to wake up..Its not Pagano here..its Grigson

  44. Arenas was the true coach of this team during Pagano’s absence. You are all seeing that he was riding someone else’s bus. Hes a decent coordinator at best!

  45. I feel a Jim Mora melt down coming on, freak out over your franchise QB turnovers, have a break down in press conference over the play offs and then get fired shortly after……

  46. Who is the target this time? Cant blame the PATS.
    I hope the whole organization gets a fire under their butts. Grigson and Pagano. Blame the PATS, no blame Luck, no blame Pagano, no blame Grigson. Yall deserve this in a big way.

  47. The Colts better improve before Brady comes to town or Pagano could be fired the next day. Right now things are lining up for a beatdown for the ages.

  48. Attention: Gregg Doyel –> that’s not “throwing Luck under the bus.”

    That’s being Captain Obvious.

  49. While his gameplay was sloppy, I think the bigger deal should be that they’ve had the same problems on their team for three years, and they expect Luck to adapt to that, rather than try to fix their problems, like the O-line and their run defense.

  50. “[That has] been the case for three years now, hasn’t it?” Pagano asked. “He should be more than comfortable dealing with it.”
    ————————————
    Wow! Really? How about fixing that line, Coach?

  51. Wow, hello Andrew Luck meet the crosstown express. Exact fare not needed you’re riding underneath.

  52. I put this situation on Ryan Grigson. He can’t field a consistent O-Line from year-to-year, and he’s making his coach into a lame duck who knows he won’t be here next year. So why not throw Luck under the bus?

  53. dtroxallday says:
    Sep 22, 2015 8:51 AM
    “[That has] been the case for three years now, hasn’t it?” Pagano asked. “He should be more than comfortable dealing with it.”
    ————————————
    Wow! Really? How about fixing that line, Coach?

    Pagano as zero control over personnel matters. That quote was obviously a direct shot at the GM for not bringing in players to fix the line.

  54. If they had not missed that field goal and had not fumbled on the 1 yard line the Colts would have been tied going into final minutes. Totally different game if that had not happened.

  55. “Players win games and coaches lose them.” -Bill Belichick

    There’s no reason the Colts shouldn’t be better. They have plenty of talent.

  56. Reminds me of when Jim Mora threw Peyton Manning under the bus with the famous “Playoffs?!” speech.

  57. Whats Lucks qb rating since he was caught playing with deflated footballs in the AFC Championship game last year?

  58. If your offensive line can’t keep your from getting pressured and hit you won’t succeed. Ask Drew Brees. At least Luck didn’t get injured.
    BTW, the Jets have a pretty good defense.

  59. Luck needs to be accountable for his poor play. Since he’s entered the league he’s gotten praised for his high yardage #’s while everyone ignores his int’s and fumbles

    He’s a turnover machine – the stats are astounding.

  60. Colts should have spent time improving their team rather than trying to mess with the Patriots. Just confirms that neither Irsay or Grigson have a clue. Fact is, Indy fans deserve better.

    As for Luck in general, way over rated, always has been. Someone posted earlier that Luck has morphed into Stafford which seems right but he has the Manning thing to…..put up big numbers but will never win anything.

    How anyone picked the Colts to go to the SB after the Patriots beat down and doing NOTHING to improve their team just shows how little the pundits actually know. Maybe Kravitz convinced Mortensen and Mort took it from there as he is great at spreading mis-information.

  61. horsesh0es says:
    Sep 22, 2015 2:06 AM

    Wow, when has a coach ever said

    “[That has] been the case for three years now, hasn’t it?” Pagano asked. “He should be more than comfortable dealing with it.”

    Isnt it the coach responsible for protecting his QB? Rather then throwing his QB under the bus, Pagano should understand that its his job to make sure Luck stays upright. Acting like the QB should be comfortable with pressure because you havent done your job for the last 3 years is just asking to be fired.

    I say fire Pagano and if Colts lose next week, and make Chud the interm. Fire grigon in the off season, and bring in someone like Kyle Shanahan, or Josh McDaniels to get Luck to go where he needs to go.

    >>>>>>>>>>

    I don’t read this as throwing Luck under the bus…that line was clearly a set up to his finger pointing statement about Grigson’s ineptitude. Grigson may be THE WORST GM in the NFL…his ego is almost as large as Mike Kensil’s. Grigson has done the worst job of putting his team into position to compete than any other GM in the NFL. He has had a pass with the Colts sitting in the worst division in the NFL, but that is changing and the Colts will become more and more exposed…Pagano is actually a good coach, not great, but good…his hands have been tied by Grigson and Irsay. Pagano will be gone, but should be picked up by another team that sees how dysfunctional the Colts’ front office is and recognize that Pagano, like all good coaches, needs their support in building a complete team. The thing is, Luck should leave, too. He can do better than the Colts…he is a good QB, not great, but a good QB, but his talent is being wasted and his development is suffering because he is having to deal with an ineffective Offensive Line every week…you could see the frustration (and a little fear) on his face during post game interviews…if he has the chance, and I know he is smart enough, he will look for a better opportunity with a better organization.

  62. I don’t think Pagano was throwing Luck under the bus–he was throwing Grigson there (rightfully so). “He’s been dealing with it for 3 years now”–no O or D line. “He should be used to it”–Luck got no help during the off season from the GM.

    That said, the Colts are a soft team, any team in the league who doesn’t know how to beat them now, isn’t paying attention.

  63. sidepull says:
    Sep 22, 2015 8:23 AM
    Who is the target this time? Cant blame the PATS.
    I hope the whole organization gets a fire under their butts. Grigson and Pagano. Blame the PATS, no blame Luck, no blame Pagano, no blame Grigson. Yall deserve this in a big way.
    ———————-
    You underestimate them. They’ll find some way to blame the Pats.

  64. I predict that when Luck’s contract expires the you-know-who’s will go after him and sign him. He will spend a year on the sideline healing and learning how a good franchise/team operates, all the while watching #12 show him how it’s done, and then #12 will step down and Luck will step in.
    At some point while all this is going on

    1) 30 teams will have a fit

    2) 1 team will have a cow (at least)

    3) The coach # GM of 1 team, when asked – what does all this mean? will simply say “we’re looking forward to Cincinnati”.

  65. This team is out of control! the billionaire owners need to clean house at the end of season and get a new GM, coach and a bunch of new players. I’m tired of this!

  66. ClubTwo – Your comment – “I’m tired of this!”

    I’m loving EVERYMINUTEOF it – they asked for it.

    And now both PM and AL are doing those awful commercials.

    When will they ever learn?

  67. Interesting it’s all about the lines, football outsiders has Indy ranked at 7th in pass blocking. If you look at Luck when Wayne isn’t playing Lucks stats go down.

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