Pagano comment could easily be construed as shot at G.M., not Luck

Colts coach Chuck Pagano came down hard on quarterback Andrew Luck after last night’s turnover-filled loss to the Jets, which is reasonable.

But there was also a fairly clear shot in the direction of the front office as well.

When asked about Luck’s struggles getting the ball out and the state of the offensive line, Pagano said (via veteran Colts beat writer Mike Chappell): “Been the case for three years now, has it not? Should be more than comfortable dealing with (it).”

Translated, this has been an issue for some time and no one has addressed it. (Pagano apparently was decent enough not to cough into his arm while pointing in the general direction of the General Manager).

That adds some meat to the bones of reports of a rift between Pagano and Ryan Grigson, if the coach doesn’t think the star quarterback has a chance to make plays because of the talent assembled in front of him, and that a persistent area of roster weakness hasn’t been addressed for three years.

And that could be the kind of thing that is a worse sign for the organization than any one lost game or any five lost turnovers could be.

114 responses to “Pagano comment could easily be construed as shot at G.M., not Luck

  1. As bad as it is now for the colts and their fans it gets worse. The pats are coming. And they are going to bury them under so much rubble it will take years for the franchise to dig out of. The season is over for your team colts fans

  2. The heathens are turning on themselves. They tried to blame everyone else for their short comings. Even suckering the league to change rules. The Patriots need to be vindicated after seeing how petty grigson/pagano are acting.

  3. The Colts fled Baltimore like thieves in the night, actually having each moving truck take a separate route out of town out of paranoia that the cops might be able to catch them. Once set up in a new town full of unsuspecting suckers, they’ve proceeded to destroy the integrity of the draft and the sport by tanking entire seasons, had their owner suspended for repeated drug influenced craziness, been busted on national television trying to pipe in crowd noise, and accused the World Champion New England Patriots of ball deflation that a 9th grader could have explained in 5 minutes. Oh, and they give themselves attendance banners for games they lose by 35 points.

    At this point, there is no greater punishment than forcing them to live with themselves. I hope Grigson and Irsay are together for 50 years.

  4. Their General Manager spent more time trying to get the Patriots in trouble for Deflategate than finding adequate replacements for his offensive line.

  5. Is he wrong? I don’t think so.

    I think Pagano also see’s what happened to the Eagles offensive line and knows his line is headed down the same path.

    Chip Kelly is turning into a cautionary tale.

  6. The Colts had a GLARING need for a safety or offensive line help, and Grigson drafts a wide receiver??!!
    Case closed. He needs to go immediately.

  7. It’s nice to see this whole organization implode. They as well as Baltimore deserve it. To try and rat out the Pats by complaining about air pressure in a ball is beyond childish. Here’s a thought Indy, why not get a better coach and GM that can actually pick players and then coach them up? Andre Johnson and Frank Gore? Really? The Pats ran for what 500 yards and 8 TD’s in the two games vs you last year and your hierarchy decides to bring in 2 offensive players to help? What about your D?
    You all deserve what you’re getting. With that loser owner who dumped Peyton and then tanked the season to get Luck. The only thing better would be for Luck to get hurt but I don’t root for injuries and I actually like that guy.
    Funny how all the teams the Pats played in last years playoffs are 0-2. Pats must still be cheating them even though they haven’t played any of ’em.
    Can’t wait for the 65-7 demolition of the Ponies in a couple of weeks.
    Enjoy the season loserville!

  8. With the amount of money they spent on Ty whos a slightly above average receiver they couldve brought in 5 Olineman.

    Even though they drafted a WR last year early, they drafted another one in the first round this year.. No Oline man or Running backs, things they actually need(ed). Luck can only do so much laying on his back.

    I think the 30+ year olds they signed this offseason would look good if they had a decent Oline but now people are gonna say Gore and Johnson were wastes of money.

    Its amazing to me to see an organization completely squander the prime years of a Franchise QB. Wouldnt surprise me if the Colts dont change some management positions, Luck will take his talents elsewhere like a Dallas team that probably will be without Romo 2 years from now and a great Oline and Dez.

    Signed, Raiders Fan

  9. I kind of felt sorry for Luck last night. It’s obvious he doesn’t trust his O line to protect him and he has no one to throw to either. Gore is done as a RB as well.

  10. That whole franchise is a dumpster fire.. from the owner down. Signing over the hill wide receivers who gave up on their previous teams and aging RBs with no offensive line to speak of… this is Grigsons master plan… and it is terrible. TY Hilton was never worth the money Grigson gave him. Luck should leave in free agency and never look back.

    Sorry you had cancer Chuck, but the wrong coach left Indy. Arians was perfect for Luck.

  11. Pagano is at best a so-and-so coach, but looks like an OK human being. Grigson is an incompetent jerk. If I were a sober Irsay, I’d get rid of Grigson first. Of course, Irsay is rarely sober.

  12. Other than the obvious move of drafting Andrew Luck (which 99% of GMs would have done), what has Grigson done?

    He got lucky on TY Hilton in the second round. Koby Fleener was a high 2nd round pick, about what you would expect. The Trent Richardson trade was a disaster. Their other picks have worked out poorly.

    Fire the GM, not the coach.

  13. Anyone who follows football knows Grigson is a hack.

    I feel bad for both Chuck and Luck. They both deserve better.

  14. After last nights game, I think Dennis Green can summarize for all of us. The Jets are who we thought they were, solid defensive team with questions on offense, but over all not terrible. And on the other side, the Colts are who we thought they were. A team with no defense, no heart, no toughness, and no ability to fix their glaring issues

  15. The Colts have turned themselves into a walking soap opera. Deservedly so.

    Usually it’s hard to cast a negative light on Andrew Luck; Not so much anymore. The reality is becoming more apparent that Luck, more often then not, will make a piss poor decision under pressure. What you saw last night, looked like rookie QB play, putting it lightly. The offensive line, let’s also be honest, was frighteningly bad. But with a bad O-line, this is where you find out what your QB is made of. Luck looked like he was made of straw.

    I can’t count on my two fingers how many bad passes Luck made, that should’ve either been thrown away, or taken for a sack. The Colts were lucky there wasn’t 10 turnovers against them. One of the worst offensive performances I’ve seen on MNF.

  16. The Suck for Luck campaign has now morphed into the Suck with Luck campaign. Maybe they can use their top ten pick in next year’s draft on the speedy wide receiver they need to fix their defense and offensive line.

  17. One could argue that if Grigson spent as much effort scouting as he does trying to hatch schemes with his buddies in the league office he might be able to field a decent time.

    One COULD argue that. But not me. He can keep drafting wide receivers for all I care.

  18. Grigson is a disaster.

    He was handed Andrew Luck and has someone made a mess of it.

    He’s not a guy born on third and acts like he hit a triple. He is a guy born on third and somehow ended up back on first base.

  19. That team is a wreck. Grigson is to blame. He threw a first round pick after Trent Richardson…

    When the Jets are taking you to the woodshed… it’s time to re-evaluate.

  20. The dumpster fire that is the Indianapolis Colts was started by the owner. The GM is simply a reflection of horrendous decisions made by the owner.

  21. Grigson is like most Madden players playing GM. you go get the sexy skill players all the time, usually who are past their prime, and don’t care about the important players on the lines because you don’t hear their names enough. It is amazing he got a job as an NFL GM with his obiously terrible eye for evaluation and team building.

    Also, for the record, the teams that made the biggest splashes in Free Agency this year are all struggling. When are people going to learn that doesn’t work?

  22. Colts fans hate to hear this, but you could argue that this is one of the very worst ran franchises in all of professioanl sports. Think about it. They fell into Peyton and then again into Luck. Tell me another good decision they have made in 20 years. With those gifts and the fact that they consistently play in the worst division in the NFL, yet they still only manage one ring. The o line always sucks. The D always sucks. The front office always sucks. The coaching always sucks. The owner is the owner. Honestly, this franchise is as bad as, if not worse than the Jags or the Browns. ONly that have been handed two all world QB’s.

  23. Terrible management of the team straight from the top, but Luck isn’t all he’s cracked up to be either. He makes some amazing throws at times, but he doesn’t protect the football and tries to do too much.

    This is karma for deflategate, Colts fans…just wait til week 6!

  24. “We all know what we’re trying to accomplish.”-Girgson

    Yep, getting the best young QB killed, watching the Ds front 7 get smashed and blaming the coach. We understand.

  25. Dolphins have the same long term problem that has not been properly addressed …

    and they too drafted a receiver with their first round pick despite depth at that position and glaring deficiencies at other positions …

    when will these owners learn to cut bait more quickly?

  26. Between Grigson’s lack of knowledge on O linemen and Hamilton’s dumb play calling, this team isn’t getting fixed anytime soon.

    Only saving grace is weak division opponents coming up soon. Even then the Colts would be lucky to pull 2 W’s out of the 3.

  27. Grigs reported that there was extra crowd noise coming from the PA system and blamed the pattriots.

    “thanks dad” Irsay will look to his close friend and supplier, el Chapo Guzman (if he can find him) for his next Mgr and close confidante.

  28. and if the rumor is true and they want Saban, then they evaluate coaches like they do players: the name is all that matters. the player or coach could be washed up, overrated, or a poor fit but the name is what is important.

  29. The funny thing is that Pats fans are calling Karma on the problems in Indy. Guys, they cheated and got away with it. You know it, the world knows it and guess what, everybody but you has moved on. Science/cold conditions has nothing to do with the balls having less pressure. The Colts balls didn’t have the same problem…just sayin…

  30. Over reaction. Yes, the Colts are not very good right now, but I bet a buck they still win their Division. I didn’t know we crowned SBowl champs in September.

  31. He might want to look at the offensive coordinator while he’s at it.

    Some of the worst play-calling against blitzing defenses I’ve ever seen.

    Also, drafting a WR in the 1st round wasn’t filling the team’s most serious need.

  32. ========================
    metalup666 says: Sep 22, 2015 9:47 AM

    The funny thing is that Pats fans are calling Karma on the problems in Indy. Guys, they cheated and got away with it. You know it, the world knows it and guess what, everybody but you has moved on. Science/cold conditions has nothing to do with the balls having less pressure. The Colts balls didn’t have the same problem…just sayin…
    ========================

    Wrong. 3 out 4 Colts balls measured were under the legal limit after the balls stayed in warm room for 15 minutes. If they measured the Colts balls first, then all the Colts ball would have measured under inflated. Just saying…

  33. Meh, the Colts will be ok. Houston, Jacksonville and Tennessee don’t look all that great either. If they get to the playoffs anything could happen.

    My sincere hope is they have a losing season and their front office s cleaned out. Pagano is done anyway.

  34. While I don’t disagree that the O-line is weak…. Perhaps Luck shouldn’t hold on to the ball for so long?!! Look at what Brady has done in NE!! He gets the ball out quick and let’s his receivers pile up YAC yards. Maybe now we can stop crowning luck as the next HOF QB in this league.

  35. weepingjebus says:
    Sep 22, 2015 7:14 AM
    The Colts fled Baltimore like thieves in the night

    Actually the last straw was when the Maryland legislature which, like thieves, passed a law so that Baltimore could seize the Colts via eminent domain. So Bob Irsay, believing in private property rights, decided to move rather than spend a fortune on attorneys.

  36. Well, from what I saw, they MAY just have run into the two WORST teams to play right away. I hate the Clots, but they aren’t THIS incompetent. Maybe they can get a W or two before they meet the mighty Pats and find out what a REAL ass whipping is.

  37. So let’s see:

    When Manning was the QB the front office mainly glossed over the defense and OL and just wanted to increase the passing offense.

    With Luck as the QB the front office has mainly glossed over the defense and OL and just wants to increase the passing offense.

    Different coaches
    Different GMs
    Different players
    Same….owner

    Gee, I wonder who the problem is!

  38. I would LOVE to see Luck walk after his 5 years… This idiot organization could be driving Luck right into the arms of Jerry Jones. You put Luck behind that line for the prime of his career and FORGET about it.

  39. Every coach in America would leave their job in a heartbeat to take over the Colts. There’s enough talent there to win.

  40. Of course he is, and rightfully so, but it won’t matter. Short of winning the Super Bowl, he’s dead man walking. Imo, they’re jockeying for
    Saban with the Rams if things continue going the way they appear to be going in both places.

  41. Pep Hamilton looked good the past 2 years because of Luck, but is totally lacking in all aspects of being a professional offensive coordinator: play calling (just look at this season), player development (Dorsett?), etc.

  42. 1) metalup666 is not smart

    2) I know everyone is killing Luck…but he’s taken more hits than Mohammad Ali…in year 4. HOW ON EARTH DO THE FANS OF THE COLTS STAND FOR THE GM, NOT BUILDING A GOOD OR GREAT LINE????

    3 Pagano is a nice guy…not a great coach. Arians would get them over the top.

  43. As a Colt fan I think that this season was set in place by the owner and the GM with two reasons:

    -Make Luck look horrible so he doesn’t get big bucks
    -Get rid of Pagano

    I cannot see any other reason for the G (with the avail of the owner ) to put such a disaster on the field. The team didn’t lack receivers or even a running back to begin with. The team lacked OL, deffensive players, and special teams yet none of that was addressed

  44. metalup666 says:
    Sep 22, 2015 9:47 AM
    The funny thing is that Pats fans are calling Karma on the problems in Indy. Guys, they cheated and got away with it. You know it, the world knows it and guess what, everybody but you has moved on. Science/cold conditions has nothing to do with the balls having less pressure. The Colts balls didn’t have the same problem…just sayin…
    =============
    Except the Colts balls did have the same problem and yes, science and cold conditions absolutely explains it. Ask any 5th grader.

    Just sayin

  45. Clearly Grigson was too busy scheming and lying about the Patriots to study his own teams weaknesses and make the necessary draft picks.

    Oct 18, Judgement Day, can’t get here soon enough for me!

  46. Almost every comment on here last night pointed at their GM and the poor players he has put around Andrew Luck. Its easy to know who Pagano is talking about when he is pointing out the bad offensive line.

    Get the ball run down your throat 2nd biggest game in franchise history. Abused on both sides of the line. Former GM Of the Year Lets draft a small, speedy WR.

  47. What is Lucks QB rating since the Colts were caught with deflated footballs during the AFC championship game last year? Whats Bradys?

  48. I don’t understand the Karma thing from Pats fans. Grigson has made poor decisions regarding personnel for years, not just the last 9 months (dorsett excluded).

    Your QB is playing well, not suspended! In your eyes he was vindicated and innocent, what ,because the NFL does not know how to operate an investigation?

    Whether he cheated or not….. I’m sure it’s not hard to sleep at night with your 4 lombardi trophies and the fave to win again this year. Get over it already!

    Your team is good, ours is bad. Nothing to do with Karma or deflategate.

  49. Irsay, Grigson, and the entire Colts organization can go f**k themselves. They are getting exactly what they deserve. I feel bad for the players, though.

  50. metalup666 says:
    Sep 22, 2015 9:47 AM

    The funny thing is that Pats fans are calling Karma on the problems in Indy. Guys, they cheated and got away with it. You know it, the world knows it and guess what, everybody but you has moved on. Science/cold conditions has nothing to do with the balls having less pressure. The Colts balls didn’t have the same problem…just sayin…

    ——————-

    How can you say that cold conditions have nothing to do with the balls having less pressure. Of course they do. Even Wells didn’t make that argument.

  51. He should be directing it there.

    Griggson is the worst GM in the NFL!!!!!!!!!!!

    By far. Just look at the horrible decisions. Trent Richardson anyone..? A first rounder?

    Drafting Dorsett when you have huge needs on the o and d lines..

    This guy is a train wreck.

  52. This is the franchise that is the circus not the Jets. It is not all that surprising since the owner is a clown!

  53. .
    (cont)
    Here we believe that the Patriots were victims of a cabal of league insiders who wanted to tarnish their image. Btw Boston is not a ” No harm, No foul” kind of town.
    .

  54. Pagamo having his “Playoffs!” moment early in the season I see. I expect the Colts to have something in the range of Manning’s only losing season as a pro starter, clearing both Grigson and Pagamo out. Saban is probably the top choice, but there are many candidates that could do a lot with him as their centerpiece, and many GM candidates who would love to build around him competently, something no one can argue Grigson has done.

  55. As a Patriots fan all I can say is ha ha ha, you’re getting what you deserve. As a Jaguars fan all I can say is hmmmm…maybe the AFC South is up for grabs.

  56. did anybody measure the PSI in the Jets footballs? They looked a little low and that is really, really, really important. A miniscule PSI difference is the ONLY reason that the Jets won. Its not fair. And I’m telling Mommy!

  57. That’s that what you get for blaming others, notably the Pats, for your team’s deficiencies. The same with other teams. My team lost because the Patriots cheat.

    The Patriots are coming…. Indianapolis Rats, you put Brady and his family through 7 months of he-ll. May Russel Wilson’s god have mercy on you.

  58. adb1echer says:
    Sep 22, 2015 11:42 AM
    I don’t understand the Karma thing from Pats fans. Grigson has made poor decisions regarding personnel for years, not just the last 9 months (dorsett excluded).

    Your QB is playing well, not suspended! In your eyes he was vindicated and innocent, what ,because the NFL does not know how to operate an investigation?

    Whether he cheated or not….. I’m sure it’s not hard to sleep at night with your 4 lombardi trophies and the fave to win again this year. Get over it already!

    Your team is good, ours is bad. Nothing to do with Karma or deflategate.
    ===================
    On Oct 18th it’ll be over with.

  59. eyeandfootballofhorus says:
    Sep 22, 2015 12:18 PM
    ‘it’ not trigonometry’, pagano said.

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    grigson/pagano have the dolts playing at a pre-algebra level, belichick/brady have the OUTLAW PATS at a calculus one
    ============
    It’s a good thing it wasn’t science. Just sayin.

  60. richardernsberger says:
    Sep 22, 2015 11:47 AM

    Nobody has to lie about the Patriots. They are cheaters–big-time cheaters. Now back to the Colts….
    ________________________________
    Still waiting for a Colt’s fan to explain all the lies by Goodell and why the Colt’s balls tested under the legal PSI.
    Now back to the Colt’s. When you have a culture of playing soft and making excuses for losing, this is what you get despite the efforts of Bill Pollian to suck for Luck! Stay self righteous Colt’s fans!

  61. Your defense allows 200 rush yards to the top dog in the conference and you draft a WR, spend FA money for a washed up WR and HB.

    How?!
    Even a kid playing madden would try to fix the defense.

  62. First of all, I was stunned when the Colts were favored to win the AFC after getting crushed by the Patriots. They didn’t do anything to address the defensive line/front 7, they passed on Malcolm Brown in the first round and who would’ve been perfect for them, and drafted a receiver instead, then signed two end-of-career skill position guys. And that’s going to help the beat the Pats how?

    Then they didn’t extend the Pagnano’s contract, and there’s a clear disconnect between the owner and the coach. The GM traded a first round pick for Trent Richardson – when he was already a proven failure! And Luck is good, but throws too many picks. Now, the Colts are imploding.

    I’m with Simmons – it will be sweet if those rat-finks and their whining fan-base and braying sportswriters have a lousy season. Remember – New England is watching you guys. Get ready for a mauling at the hands of Brady and the Pats like you read about.

  63. The Colts were in the AFC Championship game last year. The Seahawks were in the Super Bowl. Both teams are 0-2. It’s not real intelligent to think that these two franchises are all of the sudden off track and in need of major changes. The Colts have gone 11-5 three straight years under Grigson and Pagano, and the Seahawks have been to two straight Super Bowls. Remember after 4 weeks last year everybody was writing off the Patriots. By the way, did anyone notice the two Colts’ rookie defensive linemen who were dominating all night long? DavidParry and Henry Anderson.

  64. I just love all the Pats fans spouting off on here about how they’re going to bury the Colts. Granted they don’t look too hot on offense right now, but let’s give them a little time to get right. New England’s defense gave up 32 to the Bills. With Tyrod Taylor at QB..They aren’t the ’85 Bears. IF the Colts offense can stop shooting themselves in the foot they’ll be fine. So stop with the talk of hanging 50 on them until it happens. Everyone had you dead and buried after the KC loss last year. “Time for Brady to retire, BB is done, etc,” We all saw what happened after that. It’s week 2.

  65. First of all, I was stunned when the Colts were favored to win the AFC after getting crushed by the Patriots. They didn’t do anything to address the defensive line/front 7, they passed on Malcolm Brown in the first round and who would’ve been perfect for them, and drafted a receiver instead, then signed two end-of-career skill position guys. And that’s going to help the beat the Pats how?
    ———————————————————————————-
    Um, there’s a reason 31 teams passed on Brown. Plus, if you haven’t been paying attention, we have a late rounder named Henry Anderson, who has 14 tackles at DT in his first two games. Brown has, wait for it….3. The Colts run D isn’t their big issue, they held Ivory to 57 yards. The vaunted Jets rushing attack barely broke 100 yards and 6 of them were Fitzpatrick. Having 8th string guys in at DB was kind of a problem. When your three best DBs are out of the game, the opposing QB has it a bit easier. The front 7 is fine, it’s the back half of the D that is all banged up. I’ll give you the offensive line. They’re pretty bad right now.

  66. The Colts are finished this season, this is the final nail. Everything is now out in the open, and the front office has mental and chemical problems. Blaming Luck is classless and way out of line.

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