Some owners actively opposing L.A. move by Rams

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As the game of musical chairs winds closer to the point at which the music stops, some owners will be trying to guide certain teams toward, or away from, the available seats.

Per multiple sources, a group of influential owners strongly opposes the relocation of the Rams to Los Angeles. That group includes Panthers owner Jerry Richardson, who is emerging as a leader of the NFL’s L.A. committee.

As one source put it, Richardson and other owners view the Chargers and Raiders as more eligible to move under the league’s relocation policy, especially since it appears that St. Louis has cobbled together a viable plan for building a new stadium and keeping the Rams in the place they’ve been for the last 20 years.

Also, a move by the Chargers, who have tried for more than a decade to build a new stadium in San Diego, is viewed as the least disruptive to existing fan bases.

In response to a request for comment from PFT, Richardson said only that “we have every reason to believe that re-entry of the NFL into the Los Angeles market will be successful.”

As to the potential timing of a vote on a return to L.A., Richardson said, “Additional work needs to be done before we move forward, but we are confident in our process.”

The process includes at least 24 owners approving any move. Recent suggestions that the inability of either the Rams or Chargers to get the necessary votes have been viewed by some as an effort by Kroenke to delay the process for a year, in the hopes that: (1) the current St. Louis proposal will be deemed not viable; (2) San Diego’s effort to keep the Chargers will be regarded as more viable; and (3) Kroenke’s proposed project at Hollywood Park will be viewed as more inevitable.

The effort to keep the Chargers in San Diego soon will continue, according to one source, with a visit by San Diego’s mayor to owners like Richardson, in an effort to persuade him that the Chargers should be required to stay the course in their current hometown.

As of now, it appears that the Chargers definitely have the votes to block the Rams and that the Rams probably have the votes to block the Chargers. Which means that the NFL will be presiding over potentially delicate and highly political discussions at an upcoming meeting in October and again in December. Those politics likely will include Richardson and other owners firmly opposing the effort of Stan Kroenke to move the Rams to L.A.

87 responses to “Some owners actively opposing L.A. move by Rams

  1. Kroenke doesn’t care what the other owners want. He is enamored with the $2 billion sale of the Clippers, so all he is seeing is $$$$$$. He is moving the Rams to LA, nothing is going to stop him.

  2. Only team that belongs in LA is the raiders, who won a championship there. Also, they have the fan base as they are the only team in the area to have their preseason games broadcast on the most popular local station, KTLA5

  3. Unless someone lives in LA, San Diego, Oakland or St. Louis, or unless someone is a fan of the Chargers, Raiders or Rams, I don’t see why anyone would care about the NFL putting zero, one or two teams in LA.

    I don’t get why so many people who don’t live in those cities or follow those teams give a fig.

    I’ll believe there is a team or two in LA when there actually is a team or two in LA. Until then, all the articles and reports claiming what might happen are just hot air.

  4. Kroenke is the only owner with the land and funding. Richardson should mind his own business for the good of the league. Spend your time on other ridiculous things like the sure loser of an appeal against the Brady ruling. These idiots can’t get out of their own ways.

  5. Having a team in L.A. makes all the sense in the world on paper. What the NFL refuses to understand is that people in L.A. don’t care about football.

    Yes, there are exceptions of course. But it’s a city that is not lacking in entertainment and distractions for its citizens. I fly out to L.A. every month for the past several years. Different companies, different people but whenever I ask what they think about getting a team out there, the answer is the same. “Nobody really cares one way or the other.”

    Anecdotal of course. But there’s a reason football didn’t work in L.A. before.

  6. Lets be realistic… Richardson has no say outside of his one vote during the relocation meeting. Who cares if he’s not on board. Plus, even if Kreonke doesn’t get the votes, who is to say he packs up and moves without permission. Stay out of the way Richardson, we’re coming home!!!

  7. Kroenke isn’t willing to pay a dime for a stadium in St Louis and without his money it simply can’t be built. There is no viable stadium plan in St Louis involving the Rams.

  8. some owners are opposed? yeah, the ones who are continuing to get sweetheart deals (i.e., steal millions of $) from their current communities.

  9. I don’t think the NFL has any real legal power to stop anyone from moving their team anywhere they want.

  10. maybe I missed it, but I don’t recall seeing or reading any reports of football fans in LA requesting or demanding an NFL franchise. during my visits there, they seem to enjoy watching whichever game that’s aired…Raiders, Niners, or Chargers.

    this is just another, in a long list of money grabs by owners. NO municipality should pony up for a stadium, unless it gets part ownership in the franchise!

  11. “we have every reason to believe that re-entry of the NFL into the Los Angeles market will be successful.”

    Well…..except that it didn’t work twice before. And there’s every reason to believe the market there hasn’t changed much

  12. No one wants to face the elephant in the room – Kroenke has billions of WalMart money to spend and sue the NFL if they try to stop him from moving his team to LA.

  13. Kroenke is gonna pull an Al Davis. He will.move that Team with or without league approval and because of Al Davis he has the legal right to do so. Which is ironic since Mark Davis doesn’t want Kroenke there because he views LA as his territory.

  14. nflviewer says:
    Sep 27, 2015 10:22 PM
    Unless someone lives in LA, San Diego, Oakland or St. Louis, or unless someone is a fan of the Chargers, Raiders or Rams, I don’t see why anyone would care about the NFL putting zero, one or two teams in LA.

    I don’t get why so many people who don’t live in those cities or follow those teams give a fig.

    I’ll believe there is a team or two in LA when there actually is a team or two in LA. Until then, all the articles and reports claiming what might happen are just hot air.

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    I get your point and agree but other teams and fans do have an interest. The Seahawks, Cardinals, and Niners all play the Rams which is a small market. If the Rams were to move to L.A. (2nd largest city in the US), that would bring greater exposure to all those clubs regardless if they are the opponent.

  15. brenenostler says:Sep 27, 2015 10:22 PM

    It really makes the least sense for the Rams to move out of those three teams. The city is willing to give them a new stadium, unlike San Diego and Oakland

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    News flash city of san diego has offered to build a 1.2 billion dollar stadium on site of current stadium.chargers are playing games and talks are off for now.oakland is the only city that doesnt have a plan for a new stadium.chargers want the stadium in downtown san diego and san diego offered mission valley.chargers are using silent treatment and LA as leverage to get downtown stadium .

    Google chargers new stadium mission valley

  16. Jerry richardaon is clueless if he thinks chargers going to LA doesnt effect its fanbase.san diego fans will not follow the team if it moves to LA .they even did a pollchargers would be a lame duck team in LA as they are the least popular team of the 3..

  17. A lot has changed in thw past 20 years. Who would have thought the Clippers would be where they are. The Chargers and Raiders are dealing with the worst stadiums as the home cities fail to deliver on promises to help them stay. On the other hand St. Louis and the Governor of Missouri are working on a plan to deliver what the people want and provides Stan what he wants as well.

  18. The Rams should go back to Los Angeles. That’s where they belong. St Louis can’t support an NFL team. The stadium is never filled. That’s a baseball town.

  19. I hope the lions can trade Stafford for kroenke. At least kroenke won’t throw so many interceptions.

  20. It will be very bad for the league if the nfl allows the rams to move. when st. louis is willing to do whatever it takes to keep the team and the team still leaves.
    what does that say to the rest of nfl cities?

    And if you think the league can’t stop Kroenke you are crazy.
    if Kroenke moves without approval the nfl simply withholds the rams share of the tv money. no team can survive without that money.
    this isn’t the 80’s and Kroenke is no Al Davis

  21. I was born in LA and my dad was a fan of the Rams when they were still in la I’d welcome it.they are the la Rams I rather see this then the la Vikings or Jaguars

  22. Only teams I want to see in la are Rams or raiders unless it’s a expansion team…. Or if they move a team there atleast change the name I don’t want to see the LA vikings

  23. The NFL is delusional kroonke will move the Rams and if the NFL prevents him he will sue the league and win precedent has already been set by Al Davis who won his court battle against the NFL. Me personally I want chaos and the leaves anti trust exemption challenged by the courts and congress so I’m looking forward to eating my popcorn and watching the NFL destroy itself.

  24. Dude screw the chargers they do not have the money to move alone so they should not be allowed to move. NFL teams should only be allowed to move if they can front the bill themselves.

    Truth is Spanos delusionally believes that the chargers are relevant ANYWHERE but in San Diego, which by the way is a wonderful town deserving of an NFL team.

    The Rams should not be forced to stay in racist St Louis if they do not want to and the NFC west owners will cobble together enough voted to block a Chargers move as well. We want the added revenue of having a division rival located in LA and not waaaaay east in racist St Louis. Trust me, test us Spanos we can block you TOO.

    The Chargers belong in SD and the raiders fan base will follow them to whichever state they choose. Plus as was stated earlier this week only 1 team should be moved to LA.

    AFC sucks NFc rules screw the Raiders and Chargers LA rams belong there. Let the Raiders take the St Louis spot that fanbase is garbage anyway.

  25. Here is my homer Oakland Raider take: As of tonight, the cheapest ticket on Stubhub for the Broncos/Raider game is $109. The Bay Area can support two teams. Even if Oakland doesn’t work out, the Raiders have a brand new stadium built already in their market -The Chargers nor the Rams have that fallback. Stay in Oakland.

  26. Watch the NFL think outside the box and solve the whole problem:

    Raiders move to Los Angeles, are rebranded the Rams, and traded by Mark Davis to Stan Kroenke for his interest in the Rams.

    Rams stay in St. Louis, are traded by Kroenke to Mark Davis, and rebranded the St. Louis Raiders.

    Chargers move to Los Angeles and become the Los Angeles Chargers (again).

    Both L.A. teams play at Hollywood Park site.

    Kroenke gets to be in L.A with the Rams (though the current Rams players stay in St. Louis) = win
    Davis gets the new stadium he wants and St. Louis keeps its team = win
    Spanos gets to move to L.A. after years of fighting with the politicians in San Diego = win.

  27. Instead, Rodger and his inept band of Merry Men, will be devoting large chunks of time to proving the laws of physics wrong!

    They have no time whatsoever for anything as trivial as this, in the NFL offices.

  28. What might be the best solution is this:

    The current Chargers and Rams swap owners (Kronke gets the current Chargers and the Spanos family gets the current Rams). While the current Chargers team would move to LA as part of this and the current Rams team would actually stay in St. Louis, as part of such a deal, the names of the teams would be flip-flopped, with the current Chargers moving to LA and becoming the Rams while the current Rams take the Chargers name. That way, those opposed to the Rams leaving St. Louis likely don’t object since the “move” of the Rams to LA and Chargers to St. Louis would be “in name only” otherwise.

    As for the Raiders, I’d be looking to move to San Jose if a new stadium can’t be built in Oakland. That would keep the Raiders in the Bay Area but in a new city within that area.

  29. I love these comments by people who don’t live in Southern California giving their opinions on whether people here want an NFL team or which team they want. And your qualifications to say that are …? As a lifelong resident, allow me to clue you in. The Raiders still have a large fan base in L.A., O.C. and the I.E. The Rams have the remnants of a fan base that could possibly be rebuilt. The Chargers have nothing except for pockets of south Orange County and the Temecula-Murrieta section of Riverside Co. If the Chargers move to Inglewood with the Rams, they will sell out one game a year — when they “host” the Raiders and the stands are filled with locals wearing silver and black.

  30. …Which means that the NFL will be presiding over potentially delicate and highly political discussions at an upcoming meeting in October and again in December.

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    We’ve all seen how well the league has handled every other issue in the last decade. I’m sure they’ll do a great job with this as well!

  31. LA can definitely support an NFL team. The Rams had a ton of support until Georgia Frontieri took over for her late husband. She let lots of talent walk or get traded because she was so cheap. Towards the end she put so little money into the team, fans were disgusted by her antics. She also was from St. Louis and when the Cardinals left back in 88, she started the ball rolling to get the Rams to St. Louis. She reminded me of the owner in the movie Major League. The grass was greener, so she thought, in St. Louis. Kroenke will do whatever he wants and will probably get the votes needed to move when all is said and done.

  32. varangia says:
    Sep 27, 2015 11:45 PM
    The Rams should go back to Los Angeles. That’s where they belong. St Louis can’t support an NFL team. The stadium is never filled. That’s a baseball town.
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    I guess the team bears zero responsibility with attendance? The Rams have had 4 winning seasons in 20 years. The Cardinals have went to the World Series 4 times in 10 years and the NLCS 4 times the last 4 years. Wonder why the baseball team gets supported more. When the Rams were good, they were the king of the town. The dome was as loud as any venue in the league. Let’s also not act like nobody shows up. The city endured a 5 year stretch of 15-65 football. To still even have fans after a brutal stretch like that should be commendable. No winning seasons in the last 10 years. An owner who hasn’t committed to the city since taking over the team in 2010. An owner who hasn’t spoken to the local media since 2012 (Why aren’t owners held to the same standards as players in that regard?). I see the lack of attendance, which until this year hasn’t been bad at all, the team’s fault.

  33. Jerry Richardson has had a decline in his faculties over the past decade, resulting in significant mental health issues. However, his cache as the only former player to be an owner keeps him in a position of power among the owners, who variously turn a blind eye, don’t care, or have their own ageism issues, regarding his current mental acumen.

    None of them are willing to step up and suggest he move aside, turn over power to a more capable member of his team, for fear of being in the same position themselves one day. Absolute power corrupts, and all these owners have it within their fiefdom.

    Richardson should have no say over any aspect of the greater NFL, his committee role delegated to a more capable owner.

  34. The Raiders, Chargers, Cowboys, 49ers, Pats and just about every other team in the NFL are more popular in LA than the Rams. Even USC and UCLA football had better attendance than the LA Rams. The Raiders won LA’s only Super Bowl.

    Fox in LA never shows the Rams because no one in LA cares about the Rams. Let St. Louis keep them.

  35. Sure, the people of LA don’t want a team…. any more. Why would they? Two decades of fans have been born and raised w/o football in LA, and guess what? There are other things to do than watch grown men bash each other in the head with metal. Soccer is futbol. Baseball is king. And the Kings? Hockey.

    LA is a city of champions, and football is a hasbeen.

    You get what you deserve, NFL.

  36. punxrawk124 says:
    Sep 27, 2015 11:58 PM
    It will be very bad for the league if the nfl allows the rams to move. when st. louis is willing to do whatever it takes to keep the team and the team still leaves.
    what does that say to the rest of nfl cities?

    And if you think the league can’t stop Kroenke you are crazy.
    if Kroenke moves without approval the nfl simply withholds the rams share of the tv money. no team can survive without that money.
    this isn’t the 80’s and Kroenke is no Al Davis
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    NFL can’t advertise the Rams as a team playing and then turn around and withhold the TV revenue.

    If they allow them to play they have to pay.

    NFL does not have any leverage.

  37. Why is there no talk of finding new ownership groups who are willing to keep the team’s in the current markets if viable stadium plans /approvals are now in place?

  38. The Rams, Raiders, Chargers, and Jaguars should all move to LA. They should form a new division, the AFC LA, which will send a division champion with a losing record to the playoffs year after year, which will prompt the NFL to do the right thing and realign into 4 divisions of 8 teams each, which will finally put the best 12 teams in the playoffs every year.

    Dreaming is free.

  39. Pro football fans here in Los Angeles are fantasy fans. They would rather sit in an arena and watch two kids battle it out playing Madden instead of root for a relocated Rams team. Relocated fans from the mid west (Bears, Vikings, Packers, Pittsburg and the Cowboys) dominate Rams fans here in So Cal. And these teams know this. Moving a team to LA may cut into their fan base.

    Raiders fans are by far and away the number one fan base here, even if the local CBS affiliate only shows Chargers games. The reality is that unless you travel to South OC, you don’t find many Charger fans.

    Kroenke owns his property, he should sell his team, buy the Raiders and move them to Inglewood.

  40. St. Louis should have the financing and land acquisition finalized within the next few weeks, so it would be hard for the owners, not to support their own relocation guidelines.

    Kroenke’s only incentive to move the Rams to LA is one of greed.

    Glad the owners are preparing to stand-up to him.

    As was mentioned in an earlier comment, the NFL can withhold TV revenue and not schedule any games if Kroenke goes rouge. Kroenke is a member of the NFL and agreed to abide by their rules when he purchased the Rams…now he must live by those same rules he agreed upon years ago.

  41. Football competition in LA consists of USC and UCLA – Stiff competition – As far as returning home – The Chargers started in LA – The Rams started in Cleveland and won a championship there. Even in the Rams heyday fan support was never that good.

  42. As the pope says, there is a growing difference between capitalism and greed.

    The NFL is drifting more and more towards greed at every turn. When is enough enough?

  43. The real elephant in the room is that Kroenke has the money to build a stadium in St Louis.

    The Rams are profitable, would be more profitable with a new stadium and there is no reason that a multi-billionaire should be extorting a stadium or he’ll take this team and bolt for no other reason than he thinks the grass is greener.

  44. OK, so one or two teams move to LA and possibly share a stadium. What happens in 20 years when one or both of them get better offers from some other city? That’s all it takes, it seems. A free stadium and a big chunk of money, and some of the owners will take that deal, for the time being. This is just a giant game of monopoly for some owners.

    The Rams were lured from LA 20 years ago WITH A NEW STADIUM…oh, but now they need another one. I guess a billion dollars doesn’t buy much these days, as far as buildings go.

  45. banky74 says:
    Sep 27, 2015 10:33 PM
    Having a team in L.A. makes all the sense in the world on paper. What the NFL refuses to understand is that people in L.A. don’t care about football.

    Anecdotal of course. But there’s a reason football didn’t work in L.A. before.
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    WHAT?? Based on that theory then how do you explain the fan base of the following: Lakers, Trojans, Bruins?? All these teams have a successful fanbase and ticket draw, it would be the same for the Rams (whom i prefer, as they were my team prior to moving before). How about we let the marketing and financial experts for the teams determine the appropriate way to bring the fans in?

  46. L.A. has no soul. And I’ve looked. Might as well move the team to an offshore drilling rig or one of those airplane graveyards in the desert.

  47. I find it extremely hilarious when fans and residents of St. Louis become experts in Los Angeles affairs . The people of St. Louis are so jaded and clueless when it comes to talking about Los Angeles . The Fanbase in Los Angeles is so strong that they support two major college football teams playing on same nights (games at almost full capacity), two NBA teams , Stanley Cup champion hockey team , two major league baseball teams and the Dodgers are in the world record books for attendance. st. Louis only knows two things and that’s baseball and racial bigotry . You cannot blame Stan for wanting out of St. Louis. Who would want to stay in that dump of a city ? who has ever said I’m going to vacation in St. Louis for the summer ? Who wants to spend their money and time in St. Louis ? Nobody! The players themselves have said they are excited to move to Los Angeles . St. Louis will never amount to anything close that resembles Los Angeles . The city of LA will embrace the rams and make it a great franchise again. If you don’t live in LA and don’t know anything about the culture, the togethrness, the fanaticism, the LA lifestyle just pipe that hole in your face because you dont know squat

  48. The idea that moving the Chargers to LA wouldn’t “be disruptive to the fanbase” is so laughably stupid. I love how all these people who aren’t from SoCal and clearly haven’t spent time here keep saying that. People live in SD instead of LA for a reason. SD is not LA and LA is not SD. Chargers fans wouldn’t root for a LA team because it isn’t a SD team.

  49. No team who has been in their home market for over 50 years has ever moved. But I guess that wouldn’t matter to we San Diegans. Man alive, what kind of east coast bias is going on here.

    “Also, a move by the Chargers, who have tried for more than a decade to build a new stadium in San Diego, is viewed as the least disruptive to existing fan bases.”

  50. What’s going to happen if and when a team does move to LA and 1) the stadium is just about completely empty till the 2nd quarter cause everyone in LA arrives late / leaves during the 3rd quarter to beat the 405 traffic regardless of the score. and 2) after the 1st year there the onlt noise you would hear is the inbound/outgoing planes flying over to get to LAX.

  51. The best solution to this problem is to put an expansion team in LA and let Stan have that team. Take the Rams name with him. New owner in STL . New name . New stadium. Everyone gets what they want. SD and Oakland stay where they are and work on getting new stadiums. STL keeps their team with a new owner and stadium. Stan gets LA . NFL gets a team in LA. Then we can all stop talking about this. BTW…. STL is a great sports town . As soon as we get an owner that wants to try to win every year and wants to commit to staying here , the stadium will be full. Take a look at the other teams Stan owns. All of them are second division teams. Maybe he should take a look down the street at how the baseball team does business and try to model his franchises around that formula , it seems to be working.

  52. No team who has been in their home market for over 50 years has ever moved.

    That’s drawing an arbitrary line. The Rams left Los Angeles after 49 years.

  53. Also, the Browns had played exactly 50 seasons in Cleveland when Art Modell moved them to Baltimore in 1996.

    The first five of those seasons were in the All American Football Conference, which arguably had as much talent or more than the NFL in the late 1940s. At any rate, as soon as the NFL absorbed a handful of AAFC teams, the Browns became the dominant franchise in the NFL for several years.

  54. What the NFL refuses to understand is that people in L.A. don’t care about football.

    What you refuse to understand is how big and wealthy the L.A. market is: over 13 million people in LA and Orange Counties alone.

    By contrast, the entire St. Louis metro area, including Southern Illinois, has less than 3 million. So that’s a massive gap before taking into account the concentration of corporate and high net worth individuals in the LA region.

    With that kind of size difference, LA can afford to have a huge percentage of the population not give a whack about the NFL or football or sports in general — and it’s STILL one of the most lucrative markets in the country.

    Just look at the Dodgers, Angels, Lakers, and Clippers. Those teams print money. Even if they are having a bad year, or a bunch of bad seasons, they are easily able to tap into an extremely wealthy mega-market. That’s why the NFL is so eager to get back in there.

  55. Let Kroenke move.
    It is his team.
    Let him build his own stadium.
    League has NO business forcing him to share HIS stadium w\ anyone.

    If fans do not support the team it is on him.

    If I was him, I couldn’t get away from St. Louis fast enough…

  56. The people in STL cant wait for him to leave . He cant leave fast enough. I f you don’t live here and haven’t been following this franchise for 20 years you have no clue what a mess this franchise is. Bad coach after bad coach. Bad draft after bad draft. It all starts with the owner.

  57. Kroenke bought the Rams to move them and I believe Goodell has been working with Kroenke to make this happen. The team will triple in value in LA and he gives the NFL what they want…a showcase stadium in the largest TV market without a team. The Super Bowl will be played here once every five to six years and look for the NFL to move the draft there as well. I am a STL Rams fan and I am bummed, but this is a business decision where the rich get richer. Besides, Kroenke has Jerry Jones in his back pocket and that is a good guy to have in your camp. The Rams will be in LA when it is all said and done.
    However, I also think the NFL would like to rid itself of the Davis family owning the Raiders. Mark Davis has the same financial issues the Rams had when their owner passed away. The family had to sell to Kroenke, and if Mark Davis does not get to move to LA he will have to sell the Raiders. The only chance of the NFL being in STL is the sale of the Raiders and moving them to STL. It is a long shot at best, but the only one STL has to keep the NFL.

  58. cards32 says:
    Sep 28, 2015 12:20 AM
    Dude screw the chargers they do not have the money to move alone so they should not be allowed to move. NFL teams should only be allowed to move if they can front the bill themselves.
    Truth is Spanos delusionally believes that the chargers are relevant ANYWHERE but in San Diego, which by the way is a wonderful town deserving of an NFL team.
    The Rams should not be forced to stay in racist St Louis if they do not want to and the NFC west owners will cobble together enough voted to block a Chargers move as well. We want the added revenue of having a division rival located in LA and not waaaaay east in racist St Louis. Trust me, test us Spanos we can block you TOO.
    The Chargers belong in SD and the raiders fan base will follow them to whichever state they choose. Plus as was stated earlier this week only 1 team should be moved to LA.
    AFC sucks NFc rules screw the Raiders and Chargers LA rams belong there. Let the Raiders take the St Louis spot that fanbase is garbage anyway.

    Have to say Card32. them there are fighting words. you have no clue what you’re talking about. ST. Louis is no more racist than any other city in the US. I take it you’re a Arizona Cardinal fan based on your moniker Cards32. I don’t need to tell you where you got your team from. So you want to come to STL and pop off please do. Otherwise shut your trap.

  59. ratbag806 says:
    Sep 28, 2015 7:18 PM
    Kroenke bought the Rams to move them and I believe Goodell has been working with Kroenke to make this happen. The team will triple in value in LA and he gives the NFL what they want…a showcase stadium in the largest TV market without a team. The Super Bowl will be played here once every five to six years and look for the NFL to move the draft there as well. I am a STL Rams fan and I am bummed, but this is a business decision where the rich get richer. Besides, Kroenke has Jerry Jones in his back pocket and that is a good guy to have in your camp. The Rams will be in LA when it is all said and done.
    However, I also think the NFL would like to rid itself of the Davis family owning the Raiders. Mark Davis has the same financial issues the Rams had when their owner passed away. The family had to sell to Kroenke, and if Mark Davis does not get to move to LA he will have to sell the Raiders. The only chance of the NFL being in STL is the sale of the Raiders and moving them to STL. It is a long shot at best, but the only one STL has to keep the NFL.
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    ratbag806. If what you’re saying is true. Then we we would have a lawsuit against the NFL and all the owners that colluded against the STL sports authority. Yes, the Rams and STL Sports authority went to arbitration regarding the lease. The NFL signed off on the arbitrator that made the ruling for the Rams. PS we don’t want to steal someones team.

  60. brenenostler says:
    Sep 27, 2015 10:22 PM
    It really makes the least sense for the Rams to move out of those three teams. The city is willing to give them a new stadium, unlike San Diego and Oakland.
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    I agree completely. Your comment makes perfect sense. Using logic and common sense, the owners would reach the same conclusion, and according to the article that is what they did.

    The stadiums in Oakland and San Diego are around 40 years old, and those cities have offered no workable plans for new stadiums. Additionally, they are within the same state as Los Angeles. Their present fans would be reasonably close to the proposed Inglewood or Carson sites, The St. Louis stadium is only 20 years old, and the City of St Louis and State of Missouri have presented a workable plan for a new stadium on the St Louis riverfront close to the present stadium. St. Louis is half way across the country from Los Angeles. The present fans won’t be anywhere near the proposed Inglewood site.

    Therefore, it makes the most sense to move one or both California teams with old stadiums from cities that have no plans for a new stadium to Los Angeles, another California city. It makes the least sense to instead move a team with a newer stadium and a workable plan for a completely new stadium to Los Angeles from a city 2,000 miles away.

  61. varangia says:
    Sep 27, 2015 11:45 PM
    The Rams should go back to Los Angeles. That’s where they belong. St Louis can’t support an NFL team. The stadium is never filled. That’s a baseball town.
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    The stadium wasn’t filled in Los Angeles for several years before the Rams moved. When they moved to St Louis, the attendance was better than it had been in Los Angeles. When the team was winning, the stadium was packed, and the fans were loud. But now we have had 11 years without a winning season, and they are 1-2 this season.

    Additionally, the fans are living under the threat of the team moving next year. Very few people go to games when all indications are that the team will be moving the following year.

    St Louis is not a baseball only town. When the Rams were winning the way the Cardinals are winning we supported the Rams the way we are supporting the Cardinals. Back before the DeWitts owned the team and after August Busch III died, the brewery wasn’t spending money on the team, and the team wasn’t doing very well. In those days, attendance wasn’t anything like it is now.

    The DeWitts are knowledgeable baseball owners. William DeWitt, Jr.’s father had been a GM in baseball, and William Jr was raised around baseball. These owners know what they are doing when it comes to baseball. The Rams owners haven’t had comparable acumen in football. We have been blessed with good owners for our baseball team. Hockey ownership is trying, and the fans appreciate it. Kroenke is worse than a dud.

  62. The fans have nothing to do with this move. Its all about the owner. He couldn’t care less about STL and the fans , never has . Tired of hearing from the media and other people , especially LA people , that STL is not supporting and have not supported the Rams. If this situation was going on in any other city where the owner cares nothing about winning , has the worst ran franchise in the NFL , has not tried to solve the stadium issue in STL at all and has all but packed up the team and moved ,the same thing would be going on . No city is going to support an owner that doesn’t care about the city in which it plays . The fans are being held hostage . STL wants a team but does not want Stan.

  63. This is not a fan issue . Tired of hearing the media and people who don’t live in STL say this a baseball town. Its a sports town and a good one! If this was going on in any other city with an owner who cares nothing about winning , who has the worst ran franchise in the NFL , who wants to leave and has not tried at all to solve the stadium issue in STL , the same thing would be going on. Give Stan an expansion team in LA . Call it the Rams. Let him make a zillion more dollars. God knows he needs it. Leave the team in STL . Call it something else.

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