Peterson: Ponder would still be here if he had Bridgewater’s poise

AP

Christian Ponder fell so far from the point when he was Vikings’ first-round draft pick in 2011 that he’s already out of the NFL. But Vikings running back Adrian Peterson says there’s no worry of that happening with last year’s first-round draft pick, Teddy Bridgewater.

Peterson said the difference between Ponder and Bridgewater was that Bridgewater has a poise while playing the quarterback position that Ponder always lacked.

“I can say this: If Christian Ponder had that same poise he would probably still be here playing,’’ Peterson said, via Ben Goessling of ESPN.

In terms of their physical tools, Bridgewater may not be a more talented quarterback than Ponder. But the position is as much mental as it is physical, and Ponder seemed to lack the mental necessities to play quarterback, while Bridgewater seems to have them. That’s how it looks from the outside, and that’s how Peterson sees it on the inside as well.

49 responses to “Peterson: Ponder would still be here if he had Bridgewater’s poise

  1. So sick of hearing about his “lack of physical tools” lol. The same things were said about Russell Wilson before he led the Seahawks to back to back Super Bowls.

  2. Only his second year he can make the deep pass I have seen it! But really if you look at Brady and Rodgers they are masters of the 5-15 throw and catch. So Teddy just needs to keep doing what he’s doing. Give him 2 years put some weight on him he is going to be fun to watch.

  3. Shouldn’t they be concentrating on practice for Sunday? They haven’t beaten a team with a winning record since Mr Poise took the helm. Win something for crying out loud and maybe then your naysayers will back off.

    Ponder beat teams with winning records. Bridgewater has proven he can’t do that.

  4. Ponder was always garbage even in his best year when AP carried them. Kaep just needs to play through whatever going on with him so I still believe in kaep, mental side not there right now. Teddy lacks physical tools but that can get better over time, mental side there

  5. Truth hurts.

    it also helps that Teddy can read a defense, he just needs to trust him arm more. And when you have a top 10 defense and the best running game you don’t need to put up 5 TDs every game just to win.

  6. In 2006, Mr. Check Down Aaron Rodgers ranked 62nd in the league. It’s an amazing concept to let young QBs grow when the have it between the ears like Mr. Check Down and Teddy. Between the ears is the most important asset for a QB.

    There’s a long list of guys who could throw a football through a brick wall but weren’t intelligent enough to play the position. Teddy will be just fine.

  7. Yes. It’s much better to have the poise that Peterson is talking about while putting up a 29th ranked passer rating in the NFL of 80.1. While Ponder’s career passer rating was 81.2 his 2nd year starting in the NFL.

    But he looks much better misfiring the passes all over the field than Ponder due to the poise.

  8. I agree with you patsdude. Bridgewater is a pretty pedestrian QB who doesn’t look any better in year 2. His physical weaknesses are glaring, such as when he has to move his feet even the slightest amount in the pocket while throwing.

  9. He would also have a better chance of being in Minnesota if he was drafted in 2nd or 3rd round where he should have gone instead of top 12 pick.

    Peterson doesn’t care if the goes 13 of 24 as long as it’s done with poise.

  10. Carl Gerbschmidt says:
    Sep 30, 2015 1:44 PM
    In 2012, Ponder was the 25th ranked QB at the end of the season. Bridgewater is currently 30th.
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    30th in Passing yards, and 29th in attempts (meaning they’re not throwing that often, knucklehead).

    Bridgewater is 9th in completion % and 23rd in QBR.

    Either way, the Green & Yellow is heavy on the pass, while the Vikings are heavy on the run and run/pass mix. So comparing Teddy to other QBs is an apples-to-oranges exercise.

  11. Teddy gets impressive hang time on those deep balls he throws. That deep fade that got picked off against the Chargers that he underthrew by 10 yards…MAN that thing took a long time to get there. That’s a good thing, right?

  12. That’s like saying Trent Dilfer led the Ravens to the Super Bowl. The defense led them. Wilson just managed.

    firerogergoodell says:
    Sep 30, 2015 1:30 PM
    So sick of hearing about his “lack of physical tools” lol. The same things were said about Russell Wilson before he led the Seahawks to back to back Super Bowls.

  13. In 2012, Ponder was the 25th ranked QB at the end of the season. Bridgewater is currently 30th.
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    In 2015 Manning was ranked 31st the 3rd week in. What is your point?

  14. “In 2006, Mr. Check Down Aaron Rodgers ranked 62nd in the league. It’s an amazing concept to let young QBs grow when the have it between the ears like Mr. Check Down and Teddy. Between the ears is the most important asset for a QB.

    There’s a long list of guys who could throw a football through a brick wall but weren’t intelligent enough to play the position. Teddy will be just fine.”

    In 2006, Rodgers was backing up Brett Favre and hardly played. comparing him to a full time starter seems silly

  15. Carl Gerbschmidt says:
    Sep 30, 2015 1:44 PM
    In 2012, Ponder was the 25th ranked QB at the end of the season. Bridgewater is currently 30th.
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    According to ESPN, Bridgewater is the #11th ranked QBR quarterback after 3 games.

  16. Ponder lacked poise. If by poise you mean the ability to read a pro defense then Bridgewater has a ways to go as well. But he is definitely off to a better start than Ponder was, of course that’s not saying much. The Ponder pick could have been worse Vikes fans, at least the rookie wage scale kept it from devastating your cap

  17. Carl, may be a little, shall we say “off,” but he kind of has a point. Teddy’s numbers are quite comparable to Christian’s last full year as a starter. And, you can argue that Teddy has lot more to work with in terms of personnel and offensive scheme.

    CP (2012): 62.1 comp%, 6.1 ypc, 1.5 TD/INT ratio, 81.2 Passer Rating (nobody uses QBR).
    Teddy (2015): 67.6 comp%, 6.8 ypc, 0.5 TD/INT ratio, 80.1 Passer Rating.

  18. I belive the purpose of playing is to WIN the game!! Besides what quarterback wouldn’t love to have Peterson in the backfield. Bridgewater would rather win than pad his stats!! If Bridgewater was throwing for 400 yards a game and Peterson was only gaining 40 yards a game then that would be what everyone was complaining about! Theres just no pleasing everybody!!

  19. Bridgewater would rather win than pad his stats!!
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    The problem is that the stats being used aren’t really a product of gross passing yards, but efficiency. Passer rating takes all of that out of the equation and focuses on efficiency. And Bridgewater has been slightly less efficient than Ponder. Ponder also won games as well.

  20. stevent92 says:
    Sep 30, 2015 2:21 PM

    Either way, the Green & Yellow is heavy on the pass

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    This got me thinking, so I looked it up. Packers are actually perfectly balanced in terms of run/pass. 91 rushing plays and 91 passing plays. Amazing that they can be so balanced, yet it looks like Rodgers is just chucking it all over the field.

    I’m starting to think they might represent the NFC in the Super Bowl this year.

  21. Poise, or lack thereof, was only one thing that did Ponder in. Some others, in no particular order:
    1) Lack of accuracy, even when not pressured
    2) Inability to throw outside the numbers
    3) Habit of throwing into double-coverage

    It’s also worth noting that he never really had anyone great to throw to. His best (least bad?) season, when AP dragged them to a Wild Card spot, he had pretty solid numbers the first half of the year when he was able to throw short slants and bubble screens to Percy Harvin (people forget how well he was playing those first 8 games). It also didn’t help that he got thrown to the wolves as a rookie after the McNabb disaster, and was routinely playing from behind because the defense was so awful with Frazier. But for whatever excuses Ponder apologists want to make (and I was one right up until they drafted Teddy), he simply never got better. Poise had very little to do with it.

  22. Just watch Bustwater, he’s great for anything within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage and after that, watch out.

    He rarely throws it into tight windows or hits a down and out 15 yards downfield. He just doesn’t have any pop in his throws. Here is the sad part, he is the best QB on the Viking’s roster right now and he will lead them to where they will eventually go. And it aint’ the playoffs.

  23. As I’ve said before, Teddy will be fine. The kid doesn’t even have a full season’s worth of games under his belt yet. He will continue to get better. He’s got the attributes that you can’t teach – pocket presence (something Ponder sorely lacked), intelligence, athleticism, accuracy, and a feel for the game. Until he gets more experience, Zimmer is doing the right thing by leaning on the running game and defense.

  24. difference between Teddy and Ponder. Ponder sulks when he makes a mistake and lacks confidence. No pocket presences. Only plays well if he starts off playing good. Teddy has all the tools to be a very good QB in this league. This season has been about controlling the clock with the running game. Teddy doesn’t have the O-line to be passing all the time. Teddy isn’t going to take chances turning the ball over at this point of the season. Getting Peterson going is the 1st priority along with winning the games. Ponder would feel rushers coming before he even got into the pocket. Happy feet and no pocket awareness leads to many INT and sacks. Ponder was the king of the 3 and outs. If Ponder trailed by more than 10 points in a game. It would soon turn into a rout.

  25. Packer trolls out I see. Talking about cap hits too. But what about the $12.8 cap hit on Clay for 10 tackles in 3 games. Against Seattle, Clay had one tackle.Last year Chad Greenway had 11 more tackles than Clay. Chad took a paycut to play for the Vikings this year. He just wanted to play on a good defense not just make commercials like Clay does.

  26. What is forgotten about Ponder is that often times he was so terrible early that his anemic stats were padded against second and third string defenses playing prevent defense.

  27. tokyofilthblaster says:

    Sep 30, 2015 1:39 PM
    Yeah, Bridgewater showed tremendous poise in throwing his 1 TD this year.
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    That’s one more than Rodgers had at this point in his career. The bum couldn’t even get on the field until Year 4.

  28. stevent92 says: Oct 1, 2015 11:56 AM

    tokyofilthblaster says:

    Sep 30, 2015 1:39 PM
    Yeah, Bridgewater showed tremendous poise in throwing his 1 TD this year.
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    That’s one more than Rodgers had at this point in his career. The bum couldn’t even get on the field until Year 4.
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    that BUM sat behind the qb that eventually got the vikes closer to the super bowl than you will see while teddy is your qb

  29. As someone who has always supported Christian, I think this isn’t a dis on Ponder ar all. It’s true. One example of that is Going 20 points to zero against the Seahawks mostly on his and his wr passing attack and then throwing it in the toilet with two panic back to back interceptions. He also tends to lock in where the pass play is going. I think he would be a horrible poker player. With that said he has anazing physical tools, but yes, no composure when he is up on points, and better progression reads and he may be alright. Honestly he may learn a lot in an easier league like cfl. This also is not a dis just reality.

  30. If anyone on here has actually watched the games in which Ponder and Bridgewater played, you would know that they are like night and day.

    Ponder was an abysmal quarterback and never, for one second, gave you the inkling that he could very good NFL player someday. Zero confidence. Always running for his life with fear in his eyes.

    Bridgewater, while not lighting up the league currently, certainly gives you the impression of poise and confidence. He makes good decisions (usually) and, most importantly, doesn’t turn the ball over. We saw him progress the second half of the season last year — and we’re hoping to see the same this year. We never, ever saw that type of improvement with Ponder.

    So, please, stop comparing apples to oranges. Ponder is an unemployed ex-NFL quarterback who will likely never see a professional football field again, and there’s a reason for that: he’s awful. Now, please, don’t mention his name again.

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