Bat of loose ball by K.J. Wright should have been flagged

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Setting aside for now (but not for long) how the most unfair rule in football gave possession of the ball to the Seahawks even though they never recovered the football fumbled by Lions receiver Calvin Johnson, the decision of Seattle linebacker K.J. Wright to bat the ball out of the end zone should have given possession back to the Lions.

As explained by ESPN rules analyst Gerry Austin after the game (and confirmed to ESPN by NFL V.P. of officiating Dean Blandino), Wright committed an illegal bat that should have given the ball back to the Lions at the spot where they lost possession, with the ball moved half the distance to the goal line.

Rule 12, Section 4, Article 1(b) applies the term “illegal bat” when “any player bats or punches a loose ball (that has touched the ground) in any direction, if it is in either end zone.”

So even though the rule that gives possession to the defense when the offense fumbles the ball in the field of play and it goes out of the end zone needs to be changed, a rule change wasn’t needed here. With Wright knocking the ball out of the end zone, the ball should have been given back to the Lions, on the fringe of the end zone.

Amazingly, the non-replacement officials missed the call, a little more than three years after replacement officials missed an offensive pass interference foul that allowed the Seahawks to steal a late win over the Packers on a Monday night.

231 responses to “Bat of loose ball by K.J. Wright should have been flagged

  1. Seahawks get another W from a trash call at home. Unreal. Bring the Lions back out and finish it right.

    And Seahawk fans, your stadium is full of fake noise, I was there for your first bad call “win”.

  2. NFL rules are entirely too complex for humans to judge at a fast pace during the game with any accuracy.

    Makes me pine for professional wrasslin.

  3. Refs who missed the call should be fired at most and fined at the least. Period.

    Pathetic!!

  4. Virtual proof that the NFL favors certain teams over others for ratings.

    How could Blandino miss that call? Must have been checking the psi.

  5. My peeps keep askin’ me if I regret signin’ with dumpster fire Dolphins.. I say man we still got one win. Lions are donut and 4..

    — Suh

  6. If it’s true that Blandino was on the air with the refs and didn’t get that call corrected, his ass needs to be fired along with the ref that was in the end zone. Can’t wait to hear him talk his way out of this.

  7. If you didn’t know better, you would think the league was favouring certain teams.

    Dez caught it.

  8. No one ever heard of that call in their lives. I’m a football coach I have never heard of that call. Bad rule anyways mainly bc if the ball is not easy or just sitting still on the ground it’s usually very hard to gain control of those balls.

    For example what if be tried to grab it and knocked it out of bounds then they throw a flag. You think complete the catch rule is dumb this one is just too stupid.

    Sad that they always seem to want to create a controversy. Their would have been time for both teams and no guarantee the Lions win that game either but overall Sucks and it’s almost impossible to ref a game anymore with so many details that are seemingly unknown.

  9. Absolute garbage from these clown show refs. The NFL has no credibility whatsoever. They will say sorry and no one will be punished. I know the Lions aren’t a good team this year but stuff like that is why the NFL is becoming a joke.

  10. Hey Roger, instead of spending millions on the Deflategate witch hunt how bout hiring a few refs that know the rules….the NFL is reaching all new lows

  11. And Brandon Browner committed defensive holding on the interception in the super Bowl. You don’t see us complaining. Refs miss calls.

  12. Good point on the batted ball. However, your continuous whining about the “unfair rule” combined with your certainty that said rule should be changed is getting a little obnoxious. No, a lot obnoxious.

  13. Here the main question. WHY IS THIS A RULE to begin with?? Next time someone partially blocks a kick and the punter kicks it out of the end zone I want to see them throw a flag..

    Stupid rule and no one ever heard of it.

  14. So the Seahawks 2 wins come at home, one against the hapless bears and another only because of a very bad officiating call that the nfl has already admitted to. Anyone that thinks this season is going to end well for Seattle is delusional

  15. That is even after the so called review.

    Here I say, the coaches should be allowed to challenge plays even after the official reviews. Because these officials make mistakes even after reviews. At times, they are rushing to get outta there, and over looking details.

  16. It’s a heartbreaker for the Lions being inche’s away from scoring a TD. It would have been a heartbreaker for the Hawks to get a flag on an amazing play by Kam over a technicality that the ball was swatted.

    When it’s all said and done I’d rather see an amazing play weather it’s a TD by Calvin, or a forced fumble by Kam to decide the outcome of the game rather than a referees flag deciding the outcome.

  17. It’s very frustrating. But as a Lions fan … I’m used to this kind of frustration.

    The refs not knowing the rule is absurd. With all the fuss about football deflation, allowing something that’s actually important to slide (refs knowing the rules) is nuts.

    And the bottom line is that Kam Chancellor made a great play on Calvin Johnson. That fact shouldn’t get lost in the fuss.

    I thought the play by Wright (to bat the ball out of the end zone) was a heads up play. But the rule makes sense — he should have just caught the ball and knelt down.

  18. Nfl officiating is becoming a bigger joke than that of the nba. Almost Every game has at least one terrible call that if called correctly, would change who wins. Terrible.

  19. The play is not reviewable. The NFL is ridiculous. You’re a blind fool if you think the NFL isn’t rigged. It might only be surpassed by FIFA in terms of corruption. You Have to wonder if the Seahawks were to fumble at their 1 and the lions bat it out, would the refs who are staring at the play, have called anything? Good ol home cookin; enjoy your RB disguised as a QB in Wilson; meanwhile us pats fans will enjoy Tommy carving all teams for good ol Roger

  20. I just wish a team other than the Lions would come out on the wrong end of these official’s calls.

    How about the integrity of the game, Roger? Or maybe the incompetence of the NFL front office and game officials.

  21. As a Lion fan this sickens me! Season is basically over for Detroit and the NFL will wipe their hands and move on. So wrong in every way!

  22. Is Carroll going to cry and whine about this non-call? Oh, wait, I guess not. He’s going to celebrate this win with his usual smugness. Sorry Detroit, you truly got robbed!

  23. I know the rule from watching too much football. Two HOF’rs don’t know the rule and Seattle’s DC did not teach the rule to his Defense.

    That is almost as mind boggling as the whole Referee committee attached to a game who also missed this.

    I could not believe Wright did not dive forward (thus blocking any Detroit player) while grabbing the ball. Oh yeah, he was never taught the rule.

  24. what if…

    now how does anyone justify this IF the Seahawks qualify for the playoffs?

    they probably will not qualify because the offense up there is a mess!!

  25. Integrity of the game just went out the window . . . again.

    Ray Lewis is right. Players are held responsible for their actions on and off the field but the NFL suits must be infallible based on how often they are punished for their mistakes.

  26. These refs are out of control. They are literally changing outcomes of the game. They negated two TD’s on bad calls in the Bills game, they did this today, and you see 25+ penalties per game. They are literally KILLING this game. Because of the refs this season, I’m more eager for hockey, and I never thought I’d ever say that.

  27. The rule is fine to me. Its the equivalent of punting the ball into the endzone (wich nobody does of course). You give up possession to the other team. The ball cant be played and cant be replaced at an exact spot when it goes through the endzone, its logic that the defense should get the ball. Its the offense who fumbles you cant give them back the ball if the recovery is by rule…

    Now for the illegal bat, a missed call will always happen here and there. This is all about Chancellor making an incredible play and good for them. It would have sucked to see that go to waiste because of the bat.

  28. Lions got screwed. Period.

    That’s a rule the refs can’t miss. Doesn’t matter if it’s something that doesn’t happen often.

  29. You should hear Pete Carroll misinterpret the rule saying,”The ball has to be batted backwards to be flagged.” LOL! And Dean Blandino said that it was a “judgment call”?!?! Yeah, can’t be having the returning NFC Champs getting that deep in a hole this early in the season.

  30. Will someone in the media please call Pete Carroll out on his post game comments about refs following the Green Bay game versus his comments on situations like this that benefit his team.

  31. Lions might want to have some folks on the scrillion-dollar payroll who know all the rules of football.

    Since the NFL can’t be bothered with it.

  32. So wait. When a snap goes over a punters head, we always see the punter kick/swats/bats it out of the end zone. So does that mean that, besides the safety, are they penalized on the free kick?

  33. Goodell could care less if another team got screwed out of a win, he only cares about how much air is in the game balls…

  34. Ok, fine. As a Lions fan I say whatever. He could have easily grabbed that ball and taken a knee. We lost that game in every way possible.

  35. Hmm… Who was the guy aggressively pushing the NFL to make ALL plays reviewable the last two offseasons?

    That would be Mr. Bill Belichick. He has more brainpower in his stool than Buffoon Roger has in his entire body.

  36. Thank you Roger Goodell you turned a league that owns Sundays into WWE! Sick of watching underdogs lose games because of a referees mistake. If that was Denver or Greenbay they would find a way to call it back. The only way you could win in the nfl against a top team is if you are at Home.

  37. Let’s be honest, sometimes the rules get in the way of the game. Johnson lost the ball. They deserved to lose. Them getting the ball back is like when criminals get off on a technicality. Lions got what they deserved. They didn’t make the play.

  38. Just another Monday night in Seattle. Another NFC North team unable to beat the Seahawks and the refs. I see the number 12 all over their stadium. Is that a reminder of which year they actually started getting fans?

  39. good teams do not allow the game to be so close that an official’so call is going to be difference between winning and losing.

    Detroit continues to be the Manufacturier of Melancholy!

  40. i’ve referred high school football for many years and that was the first thing i thought before the game ended…..an illegal bat….and as far as i know blocking below the waist ,outside the tackle box,after the ball leaves the zone ,is illegal in the college and pro levels as well….. the last 2 wks of college and pro ball i’ve seen several blocks below the waist not called either…and especially on downfield blocks…. very dangerous…….

  41. Also, watch the back judge at the tail-end of that play. He was reaching for his belt. From my viewpoint his instinct was to throw the flag but once he didn’t instantly get it in his hand he probably thought “the hell with it, not at this time”

  42. Can somebody explains why this matters? If KJ had fallen on the ball it would be a touchback.
    The defensive player is batting the ball backwards, not forwards; why is that illegal?

  43. Here’s another weird fact, this is twice on MNF that in the same city, that a team from the same conference and same division – NFC North, have been victimized by the refs, and also ironic both discrepancies occurred in the exact same end zone.

  44. Fail Mary Part II….how did the refs not talk about this right after it happened…second, it’s a turnover, so the play must be reviewed upstairs…hope did they miss it?…third, Blandino is back in NYC watching on a TV and seeing every angle of the play, in contact with the stadium refs upstairs…HE saw it too…how the hell did all TEN refs/ officials /VP of Officiatong miss this if Jerry Austin caught it immediately? Un-Bee-Leave-Oh-Bull

  45. I like Bill Belichick’s suggestion that coaches should be allowed to challenge any play. If the team runs out of challenges the blame is partly theirs too.

  46. So the NFL has all the time to screw around with London and policing uniforms and fining players for not talking to the media or fining them for what they say to the media but they don’t have the wherewithal to get referees who know the rules and can properly officiate a game? Brilliant.

  47. So unfair. Had he not touched it, it would’ve gone out of the endzone a split second later. So it’s a pointless rule in this scenario. This isn’t Monopoly. This is football.

  48. having said above i can also say,despite any officiating errors ,that any game never comes down to any one officiating call…. over the entire course of any game both teams have had plenty of opportunites to win or lose it…

  49. So…. what you are saying is that the refs singlehandedly cost the Lions the game and gave it to the Seahawks… the very same team that was promoted as a potential three consecutive trip to the Superbowl team…

    Sounds about right and not fishy at all… Afterall, if the Seahawks last that game it wouldn’t have hurt their chances of returning for a third time…

  50. Jeez the city of Detroit will never let this one go. They love to harp on on call all season if the season goes down the drain.

    You’re 0-4 enjoy the cellar, where you belong.

    #BearDown!

  51. Holy cow!!! I had no idea that was even a penalty at the time it happened. You think the referees would know the rules wouldn’t you? Only in Seattle.

  52. The seahawks are the luckiest team in the nfl. The fail mary, the packers epic fail, that Superbowl tip catch, and now this. Iv never seen a team get so many breaks and have this many things bounce their way.

  53. Officiating is biased in favor of certain teams. Shocking. Olivier Vernon got flagged for this in a much less obvious and also game defining situation a couple years ago.

    This league is a setup.

  54. I don’t get paid $100k plus by the NFL to know the rules yet I was screaming at my TV that he batted the ball out of the endzone and it should have been a penalty. 7 refs on the field saw it happen and did nothing, but you can be assured that if it was reversed, and the Lions had batted the ball, it gets called and Seattle wins.

  55. So what? Who cares. No one else was around to bat it away from anyway. He coulda just recovered it. Now everyone knows better. Would have been much worse to find out that rule because the refs penalized him, and a great play to knock the ball out be wiped out.

  56. and yes,that clearly looked like an intentional bat….he clearly wanted that ball out of the back of the end zone….he didnt want anyone else touching it….. no way it was inadvertent as he extended his hand and elbow to meet the ball and applied directional force….

  57. I’m guessing Pete Carroll and his seahawk “fans” have absolutely no problem with this officiating call that once again goes their way.

    At a very minimum he plays dumb, “we made a great play and our guy in the end zone just couldn’t get to the ball in time to recover it.”

    “Uh, coach he definitely intentionally swatted at the ball to knock it out of the end zone.”

    Petey: “yeah I didn’t see it but I know it was a great play.”

    Keep telling yourself that, brah. You should have destroyed an inferior, injury-riddled team tonight at your house. Your lack of offensive line and horrible offensive game plan can only be hidden for so long. Russell Wilson can’t run for his life and take the shots he’s taken so far this year week in and week out. Enjoy it while it lasts.

  58. KJ Wright could of just as easily CAUGHT the ball, if he knew it was illegal. It bounced right to him. The bigger issue is the number of rules that either don’t make sense, or are used so little that even the best players and the refs don’t know them all.

    I’ll bet KJ had NO idea that was illegal. If it was in the field of play, that would of been legal.

    js

  59. So all you guys that felt the rule should not be Changed, do you still feel the same way? I new you couldn’t do that and I’m not an official! I wasn’t sure, I thought Seattle we had been charged with a Safety? But I was wrong, I had no idea that the Offense retains the ball! As it should be! He made no attempt to recover a fumbled football!

  60. There is no such thing as a Seahawk.
    They are called Osprey.
    and Russell Wilson talked to God
    and God told him this was true.
    Go Hawks

  61. I am a Packers fan, but not a conspiracist. Having said this, it seems that the Seahawks have had good luck when it comes to game-deciding calls going inexplicably their way. I find it hard to believe (as has been discussed) that God cares about football, but I can’t help but wonder if Pete Carrol has made a deal with the devil. There is something wrong with that man.

  62. i’ve been watching football a long time. never knew that was a rule. as I saw it happen, I thought Wright made a smart play.

    that’s a big break to catch at the end, no denying. But hawks were the better team, their defense dominated the game.

  63. What if this were a playoff game? Or the Super Bowl? If it cannot be reviewed during the regular season, then it cannot be reviewed in the post season. Way to go NFL!

  64. allidoiswhine55: In the scenario you mentioned the punter’s team would be giving up a safety, also the other team never had possession to give back to them.

  65. Maybe the Seahawks stuff the Lions 4 times in a row at the 1 yard line and maybe they don’t. We will never know now. This is just unbelievable and to have this happen again in Seattle on MNF. Someone has to be canned for this.

  66. Not a Seahawks (Shehawks, Pedhawks etc…) fan at all but Chancellor made the play that won the game and Wright’s bat did not factor in the play or the game. I’d rather the Seachickens win then any team lose on a tuck rule call

  67. That was a very bad call. Dang these blind referees! How could any person say that in their judgment it was not an overt batting of the ball?

    Why did Wright not just catch the ball and fall on it in the end zone? Isn’t that what they are taught to do?

    It is terrible that the refs missed that call when it is clear that the ball was pushed out or batted out. I feel for the Lions and their fans – this would have been a great win for them and gotten them out of the 0 win column.

    I am a Seattle fan and feel terrible about this call. They need to work hard to make sure that all calls in the last 2 minutes of a game are reviewable. Get rid of this “that call cannot be reviewed”. It just does not make any sense.

  68. Lions got jobbed. Great play by Chancellor, but the ref was RIGHT there and still missed the call.

    Ack, it doesn’t really matter anyway. Both of these teams looked like crap tonight and both are dumpster fires. Not a threat to anyone in the NFC this year. Well, with the refs in the Hawks back pocket, I suppose they do still have a chance.

  69. As a Lions fan, this has been the last piece of corn on the cob. I am officially done. I am going to pick a new team, and drop my Lions gear off at a local Salvation Army for an insane person to take.

  70. So wait. When a snap goes over a punters head, we always see the punter kick/swats/bats it out of the end zone. So does that mean that, besides the safety, are they penalized on the free kick?
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    The punter is still on Offense: They are penalized by giving the other team 2 points plus possession of the ball.
    The defensive player cannot intentionally bat the ball out of the end zone just like they can’t bat the ball toward their own goal line on a fumble at midfield. That is also illegal

  71. allidoiswin55, you say your a football coach, yet you don’t know the rules. I’m not a coach and I know the rule. Sounds like the real issue is that your a Seahawk fan that doesn’t want to admit that they got another gift from the refs.

  72. Hardto believe the officials would blow several calls on MNF where there are cameras all over the place.

  73. Refs blew one for the Cards yesterday too by whistling the play dead when it was an obvious fumble. Then the ref says forward progress was stopped. What a joke. I’m noticing a lot more flags than normal this year too. People pay to watch football games, not refs throwing flags on every play. It’s getting ridiculous.

  74. All this outrage is ridiculous. How many of you had any clue that should have been a penalty? The ESPN game crew had no clue and I didn’t get any sense that the Lions coaching staff or players were protesting. Furthermore, there’s no guarantee the Lions would have actually scored had the flag been thrown. I am not a Seahawks fan and was actually hoping the Lions would pull it out, but I’m not going to cry foul or fix over something very few people even though twice about until the former referee brought it up after the game.

  75. takethisstickoutofmyI says:
    Oct 6, 2015 12:00 AM
    So wait. When a snap goes over a punters head, we always see the punter kick/swats/bats it out of the end zone. So does that mean that, besides the safety, are they penalized on the free kick?
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    Like you said, they get a safety against them. They also lose possession… you want a penalty on top of all that as well? The difference is when that happens, it’s the offense batting their own possession out of the end zone. What you saw tonight was the defense batting the offense’s possession out of the end zone. You want to give yourself a safety go right ahead, but when you start batting balls out of the end zone to try and gain possession it is illegal… and it should be.

    This may technically go in the win column for Seattle, but they lost this game. Lions got hosed…

  76. takethisstickoutofmyI says:
    Oct 6, 2015 12:00 AM

    So wait. When a snap goes over a punters head, we always see the punter kick/swats/bats it out of the end zone. So does that mean that, besides the safety, are they penalized on the free kick?

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    I have a feeling “bat” means using your hand…a punter kicking the ball out the endzone would simple be the punter doing his job and kicking the ball…out the endzone. Just the wrong way.

  77. This is like saying that you could literally see the CB grab the WR’s jersey and the ref didn’t call it. Or that it wasn’t a defensive pass interference because the ball was uncatchable. You get that these are judgement calls and they happen in every game,right?

    In this case, if the judgement of the ref was that the ball would have gone out of bounds anyway, or that the “bat” was inadvertent, then he’s NOT supposed to call it. I’m pretty sure the ball was going out of the back of the end zone regardless of whether or not Wright touched the ball.

    In the article on NFL.com, it states: “As Blandino noted, you could make a case that Wright’s action possibly would not have affected the play. The ball may have been heading out of bounds anyway.” This whole issue is the equivalence of Blandino saying that his ref made the wrong call on an uncatchable ball, and after reviewing in slow motion, Blandino disagrees with the ref’s judgement.

    IT’S A JUDGEMENT CALL, AND THE REF WASN’T SUPPOSED TO CALL IT!!!

  78. yup we Seahawks cheated again! Gonna keep on cheating our way to another Super Bowl. Three in a row now……Looking for you Boston’s. Gonna be great thoroughly kicking your ass up and down the field

  79. Sadly, what is lost in all of this is the fact that Calvin Johnson now has people making excuses for HIS egregious mistake.

    Bottom line:
    Inside two minutes with the ball inside the 5 yard line, hold on to the flippin ball!

    The Lions lost because their best player, in the biggest moment, blew it.

    It really is THAT simple.

  80. There is NO EXCUSE for football coaches not knowing this rule or any ball possession rule.

    I remember when Leon Washington fielded a kickoff on the 8 yard line with one leg out of bounds and one foot inbounds which led to the ball being placed on the 40.

    He was TAUGHT the rule. Who knew THAT one? His coach, that’s who.

    Billion dollar industry and teams don’t hire rules experts.

    Unreal …

  81. I’m no conspiracy theorist but why does every controversial call always go the way of the higher profile, more media darling team? Like, for instance, if the Browns are playing the Patriots, is there any chance in hell a late controversial call/no call/misinterpretation goes the way of the Browns? No. Case in point here, of course the bad call favors the Seahawks over the Lions. If the situation were reversed, and some shlub Lions DB had batted the ball out of the end zone, does anyone really think they would have missed the call? Like I said, I’m no conspiracy theorist but can somebody tell me the last time the Patriots or Seahawks (or Steelers) got screwed by an obviously bad call? And no I’m not talking about a pass interference call that only their fans see, I’m talking about a blatantly obvious “sorry we forgot the rules” moment like this.

  82. The fumbled ball was going out of the end zone.

    The call would have given Detroit another chance but it didn’t lose the game for them.

  83. Before 2012 you fourteen year-old VIRGINS here used to laugh at us.

    Now you hate us. We Seahawk fans prefer your hatred much more 🙂

  84. This is an “official” official pile-on, but you should have seen PHI-WASH game and the phantom P/I call against the Eagles that put the ball on the 1 yard line. These officials are pathetic.

  85. bonesawisready says:
    Oct 6, 2015 12:00 AM
    Will someone in the media please call Pete Carroll out on his post game comments about refs following the Green Bay game versus his comments on situations like this that benefit his team.
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    I’m sure the media was aching to call Carroll out tonight and he clearly knew it. His filibuster during tonight’s post game press conference ensured that he didn’t have to address those questions.

  86. alwaters9 says:
    Oct 5, 2015 11:55 PM
    I just wish a team other than the Lions would come out on the wrong end of these official’s calls.
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    Did you not watch the “Fail Mary” game?

  87. I’ll bet the ref didn’t know it was a rule either because nobody who saw that could possibly think it wasn’t batted out of bounds on purpose.

  88. At first I felt bad for the Lions fans but after reading these comments I just laugh in your face.

    Maybe next time Calvin Johnson should hold on to the ball I suppose the hawks paid him off too? The rational ones among us would realize that if the refs were on the take they would have thrown the flag before the fumble happened to negate the play that was about to score the winning touchdown.

    If you’re mad be mad at the refs calling Seattle cheaters because he didn’t know the rule is just stupid

  89. Go look at the average age on the rosters. Rosters used to be littered with 28-32 year olds not they are full of guys 23-26. Quit claiming conspiracy with the penalties, teams want the cheap options with upside over established vets. Not saying i blame them for that decision, but that is a way more believable reason for guys committing so many stupid penalties. Are we not supposed to enforce the rules? Ps i think they have actually chilled a little on pass interference, which is awesome. But illegal hits, holding, face masks are gonna be called every time like they should be. Quit watching the games if yoi want to just see a no rules slug fest.

  90. Here comes the front running PFT football know it alls that completely knew this was a rule…after it was reported to be one of course.

  91. somewhere around last september Goodell held a secret meeting behind closed doors with the nfl operations personal. he stated “gentlemen,the analysis has been completed and it will be seahawks/packers for the nfc- patriots/denver for the afc”… “this is for the integrity of the game and will generate the most ratings”…”all hands in…protect the shield on three”

  92. Of course, if the most unfair rule wasn’t the most unfair rule, Wright doesn’t bat the ball out bounds and instead grabs it for a recovery. Officials still blew it.

  93. Every play involving end zone action reviewable, no questions asked.

    Btw, not one for conspiracy, but certain teams do get the benefit.

  94. There’s a heartwarming story (insert sarcasm) on PFT about the refs getting this call right a couple of years ago to the benefit of the pats.

    Use it when you need it NFL… or don’t, whatever works. Unreal.

  95. Didn’t the batted ball penalty come up in a Seahawks game against the 49ers where Harbaugh nearly blew a gasket? Also, I believe this rule had been discussed with the competition committee whereby the on field officials would be allowed to discuss during a review for any rule clarifications?

    If so, this is not just a case of the on field officials not knowing an obscure rule, but the off field ones being clueless too.

  96. I don’t know which is more unbelievable:

    (1) the fact that a NFL ref didn’t know the rulebook?
    (2) that Calvin Johnson is in the middle of a game changing play where the ruling went against the Lions yet again?
    (3) Morally bankrupt Pete Carrol (who is the biggest whiner in the NFL) would get yet another unearn victory at home?

    For my money, I will go with #3. But I am also a firm believer in that calls tend to balance out over a season so the Seahawks shouldn’t get too comfortable thinking that they got one over on the NFL, a return favor is coming their way.

  97. montrealraider says:
    Oct 5, 2015 11:57 PM

    The rule is fine to me. Its the equivalent of punting the ball into the endzone (wich nobody does of course). You give up possession to the other team. The ball cant be played and cant be replaced at an exact spot when it goes through the endzone, its logic that the defense should get the ball. Its the offense who fumbles you cant give them back the ball if the recovery is by rule…

    Now for the illegal bat, a missed call will always happen here and there. This is all about Chancellor making an incredible play and good for them. It would have sucked to see that go to waiste because of the bat

    think about this last statement. now think Qb makes a 50 yard td run that was made possible by missed holding call, interception made possible by missed defensive holding call, blocked kick made possible by missed offside call.

    I know everyone in Seattle loves Kam but a thousand “great” plays are negated by penalties each season. That’s how this game works.

  98. Another Fail Mary for Seattle. How many asterisks are they going to have on their games??
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    Not as many as the Patriots!

  99. Is everyone now willing to adMIT the Bill Belichick is right and everything is reviewable. Why is the NFL cherry picking what is reviewable or not.

  100. When refs are making mistakes that decide a game for a team, that’s when you should draw the line. They need to be suspended a couple games and fined. Treat them like the players and then they’ll start trying to get the calls right the first time. This is BS. Seattle seems to always get the favorable BS calls. Lets hope the refs are from Seattle when the Seachickens play Cincy in Cincy.

  101. How many times in a sort span are we going to see a player reach for the end zone and get the ball stripped, lost or juggled? I would not criticize Calvin had it been the last play of the game. It was not, so I do criticize him: the first down was easily obtained. It is called situational football.

    So, are people agreeing with BB that everything should be reviewable? Is it time for Blandino to lawyer-up? What did the (now silent) replay official in the booth know and when did he know it? He should stay silent – unlike the behavior in game 1 in St. Louis.

    Okay: the refs saw it and missed it but Calvin knows who is truly to blame. And the replacement refs got it right in the Seattle/GB game ending when Golden Tate tied up the ball.

    Now you know why many don’t play FF, fan duel or draft kings. It is a crapshoot.

  102. Josh Hall says:
    Oct 5, 2015 11:53 PM
    Jet Fuel Can’t Melt Steel Beams
    _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

    Planes don’t vaporize from jet fuel either

  103. I’m not going to comment on the call, because there’s nothing can be done about it now, but I will comment on the fact that the Seahawks are one lucky break from being 1-3, with their lone victory coming against a Bears team with Jimmy Clausen at QB.

    Not looking to Super Bowl-ish.

  104. billybone says:
    Oct 5, 2015 11:54 PM
    It’s a heartbreaker for the Lions being inche’s away from scoring a TD. It would have been a heartbreaker for the Hawks to get a flag on an amazing play by Kam over a technicality that the ball was swatted.
    __________

    It’s not a ‘technicality’. It’s a rule. What the Seahawks did was a penalty. It violated a rule. Period. End of story.

    We can argue all day long about the rule sucking or not, but the rule is the rule and players have to play within the rules. No different than your drive to work today or what you do at your job. We all have rules to follow and we face consequences if we don’t.

    In this instance, Seattle broke the rule, committed a penalty and should have been penalized. Period. End of story.

  105. Quit your whining.

    You had three ex NFL players who were asking “When did that rule get put in? It’s never called in that situation”.

    Plus, if you have a three turnover advantage and still lose, you don’t deserve to win.’.

    Ask the Packers.

  106. Let’s be a little objective on this. I’m a Seahawks fan, it was a bad call, but the game is over. What I know to be true?

    1. The ball was headed out of the end zone anyway. K.J. Wright just helped it on its way.

    2. The official missed the call. It happens.

    3. Even if the penalty would have been enforced, there’s no guarantee the Lions would have been able to score a TD.

    4. Even if the Lions did score a TD, there’s no way of knowing if Seattle wouldn’t have come right back and scored one of their own.

    5. EVERY team is burned by bad calls, EVERY team sometimes benefits from bad calls.

    6. Seahawks didn’t “cheat”…they should have been penalized and weren’t. Hardly their fault.

    7. If the Seahawks O-line doesn’t improve, they’re not going to make the playoffs anyway.

    8. Seattle was the MOST penalized team in the league last year. They have not been favored by the refs…quite the opposite.

    That about cover it?

  107. I didn’t catch the game. Was Carol dancing around like a school girl after the call like he was after the fail mary?

  108. Headline should read “COULD have been called.”

    It’s a judgement call, not an absolute.

    I’m sure the back judge figured the ball would have bounced out of the EZ on its own had KJ not given it that little nudge.

    Move on, nothing to see here.

  109. I don’t really care for either teams, but the refs botched that one

    1) I am surprised so few people knew that batted ball rule.
    2) When a punter knocks it out of the back on a failed punt, its a safety. The 2 points and loss of possession is the penalty.
    3) The ball was not going out on its own. It bounced straight up when KJ batted the ball. So it had at minimum another bounce. A lot can happen on that next bounce.

    Yes Calvin Johnson should have just held onto the ball. Yes, KJ Wright could have just grabbed the ball. But the refs messed that one up as well. The ref was staring right at it.

  110. Had they thrown the flag and the Lions won, it would be the Tuck Rule, and Dez Catch all over again. So if you do not like how those plays went stop whining about this one. Wrights tap really did not change the game the ball was going out anyhow.

  111. It amazes me that an average joe with a decent knowledge of the rules could see that the batting was illegal, yet 100s of players, coaches, and officials either did not, or worse did not know that was a rule.

    That being said the ball was heading out anyway so likely that is why the official did not call it. If a Lion would have been near the ball hopefully they would have called it appropriately

  112. Blandino is on NFLN right now saying it was a blown call. Official made a judgement call. When asked if there would be any punishment for that official “We will handle that internally and then move on.’

    Also says because it was a judgement call it could have been overturned on the filed. If another official came in and said it was batted it could be changed on the field but not reviewable via replay.

    SMH……

  113. fanasaurus says:
    Oct 6, 2015 1:14 AM
    allidoiswin55, you say your a football coach, yet you don’t know the rules. I’m not a coach and I know the rule. Sounds like the real issue is that your a Seahawk fan that doesn’t want to admit that they got another gift from the refs.

    ————–

    Go easy on the Seahawks fans. They have only been football fans for a few years now. You need to give them time to learn the rules.

  114. Those of you that actually believe in the NFL has games rigged for the Seahawks benefit stuff. Why then would Seattle play FOUR opponents this year in where their opponents are coming off a BYE? Anyone want to whine on Seattle’s behalf on that one?

  115. Nhpats not only do we not know the rule but you didn’t either. Neither did Hall of Fame football players Ray Lewis and Steve Young neither did Colin Cowherd neither did NFL executives etc etc but somehow you knew the rule…OK bud.

    You should go tell Ray Lewis and Steve Young that they need to play a little more football for a little longer to learn the rules.

    Pats fans…

  116. As the late pro wrestler Gorilla Monsoon would say in the W W F broadcasts “Ref your job.” Or as former pro wrestler Jesse “The Body” would say “A tainted victory McMahon.”

  117. I love all the comments from you back seat drivers. be honest, not one of you knew it was illegal when kj batted the ball out of bounds.

  118. Not a Seahawks fan not even close. Obviously if Calvin doesn’t fumble then Lions win, but he did and they deserved to lose becauseof that mistake.

  119. So many haters in here. When the redskins had that happened a last weekend, no one bashed on that situation, as much as you guys are on the Seahawks.

    I would like all the ones who think that refs are on the Seahawks side, start actually watching a lot more games, then monday night football. Or let alone, the seahawks. On the GB game, Cobb’s jersey was pulled and was noticeable from all angles. He also didnt catch the ball and there was no foul on the 49ers defense for the hold. Was that fair?

    Get off your jocks about who is being favored by the refs.

  120. methane says:
    Oct 6, 2015 2:28 PM
    Nhpats not only do we not know the rule but you didn’t either. Neither did Hall of Fame football players Ray Lewis and Steve Young neither did Colin Cowherd neither did NFL executives etc etc but somehow you knew the rule…OK bud.

    You should go tell Ray Lewis and Steve Young that they need to play a little more football for a little longer to learn the rules.

    Pats fans…

    ————–
    Actually I did know the rule. BB knows the rule and I can guarantee you that he makes sure all Patriots players know the rule. This is what separates BB from wannabes like Pete Carroll.

    As for Ray Lewis, his IQ is about 2 points above plant life. I don’t expect him to know anything as he is barely coherent. Steve Young, well he has been concussed a few too many times…..

    But hang in there little guy.

  121. nhpats sez “BB knows the rule…..This is what separates BB from wannabes like Pete Carroll.”

    Really? If the Butler didn’t make the big play at the end of SB49, all we would be talking about for months would be what a horrid decision by Belechick when he failed to call a timeout with about 2 minutes left so Brady could bring the Pats back from what was almost a sure 31 to 28 deficit.

    By the way, ask players who they’d rather play for BB or Pete and you’ll get a surprise, homer.

  122. vipod sez, “Every play involving end zone action reviewable, no questions asked.

    Btw, not one for conspiracy, but certain teams do get the benefit.”

    The Seahawks should outline that corner of the end zone with a diamond-shaped chalk outline for those in to conspiracy theories. They can call it the Hail No Triangle. Both controversial plays happened within 20 feet of one another. Pretty soon, they can just blitz a CB and the FS since no one will throw or run there anymore.

  123. Ok, enough already.

    The purpose of having a rule is to prevent one team from gaining unfair advantages over other teams or to protect player from injury. Offsides, holding, clipping, P.I., roughing, 12 men on the field, etc. All are called because someone’s getting an unfair advantage.

    KJ Wright didn’t gain any unfair advantage over anyone. If there had been a Lion trying to fall on the ball and Wright tapped it out of bounds – unfair advantage. But there’s nobody within 5 yards of Wright. Clearly, not a violation of the intent of the rule. Technically, a violation of the letter of a rule nobody knows or enforces, but no advantage gained.

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