Trent Dilfer, Ray Lewis slam Jimmy Graham’s blocking

AP

The day started with ESPN’s Stephen A. Smith vs. Kevin Durant. It’s ending with ESPN’s Trent Dilfer and Ray Lewis vs. Jimmy Graham.

Dilfer and Lewis teed off on Graham as a blocker during Monday Night Countdown.

“He’s a fantastic offensive weapon when split out. But when he’s an in-line tight end, it’s not perception, it is fact. He is unwilling and incapable to hold up in the run game as an in-line tight end,” Dilfer said. “He’s more of a spectator than a blocker. They’re averaging zero yards per carry when he lines up as an in-line tight end.”

Dilfer then tried to soften the blow without taking a breath.

“I’m not ripping Jimmy Graham,” Dilfer said, to laughter from Steve Young and Suzy Kolber. “But it’s very important to understand what he is.”

Dilfer then argued that Graham’s involvement in the run game strips the team of its entire identity.

Ray Lewis agreed with Dilfer, saying it’s not an attack on Jimmy before jumping off the top rope.

“He’s a queen tight end. He’s the opposite of what I used to be playing against,” Lewis said, explaining that when Tony Gonzalez played for the Chiefs they would never run to his side of the field.

“When you have this type of deficiency in your offense,” Lewis said, “this can take away your identity without you even knowing it takes away your identity.”

The broader point is that the decision to trade for Graham means that the Seahawks are shifting away from being a power running team. And that point could have been made without attacking Graham. And the mere fact that Dilfer and Lewis said “we’re not attacking Graham” doesn’t change the fact that, indeed, they both attacked him.

It’s almost as if Graham at some point made enemies out of Dilfer and Lewis.

54 responses to “Trent Dilfer, Ray Lewis slam Jimmy Graham’s blocking

  1. It was hardly an “attack”. Are football players so soft that they can’t handle the truth? Graham is a brutal blocker. That was well known before he came to the Seahawks. They are only reflecting on the truth.

  2. Watch out Jimmy! Don’t take a limo ride with Ray! And who cares what Dilitant Dilfer thinks. He made a big jackass of himself on that second MNF telecast. I think he had to be high…..
    Jimmy Graham is a dangerous offensive weapon. I’d like to see Ray try and cover him. It wouldn’t be pretty.

  3. Graham is fine he isn’t going to magically become an elite blocker in 3 games on a totally new ready with completely different personnel.

    Seattles Oline is probably the worst in all of football. That might have something to do with them running for an average of 0 yards when they go Grahams way. Also note that beast mode has only played in two of four games. He’s averaged over 3 yards per carry after contact.. YAC.. Which is insane but should help you understand why a new Oline and new te work out the kinks.

  4. I can’t stand the seahawks, but i’d rather not be a good blocker and an outstanding offensive weapon, than a murderer and a qb who won the super bowl because he was just there

  5. I’m not jumping on Dilfer, don’t get me wrong, but he was the guy that proclaimed that the Patriots were done after the KC game last year. I believe the quote was “they aren’t good anymore”. That said, they’re right. Jimmy Graham cannot block. He is no Gronk! No more putting him in the same discussion with #87.

  6. Reasons not to watch ESPN #1- Ray Lewis. #2- Chris Carter, etc.,etc. And bring back Aussie Rules Football.

  7. And yet – not a single person has come up to say “Jimmy can block – see? Here on film – that’s him blocking etc….”

    Randall Cobb as a slot receiver is a better blocker than Graham. In fact on one catch yesterday you can see him sprint past Jones to start throwing blocks for him downfield.

    No shame in Graham not blocking – unless he’s being coached to do it and refuses to.

    There’s a difference between WON’T and CAN’T.

  8. Come on, just because a couple of guys that played the game are telling it like it is, doesn’t mean they’re “attacking” the guy…if a guy can’t block, he can’t block, and calling a spade a spade, isn’t an attack…if JG wants to make them ear their words, he’ll learn to block, or, if he doesn’t care what two colleagues say about him, then he just won’t improve as a blocker…JG makes enough money and is a current player on the biggest of stages that he is going to do what he wants to do no matter what anyone says, unless they say it right and inspire him to change!
    And darnit, I wanna be a bullfrog!

  9. The Seahawks players called him soft when playing against him. Graham is a basketball player whom is still learning how to be a complete tight end. For his size, he should at least be able to at least box out a smaller defensive player, but he just shows no effort when his number isn’t called

  10. Graham was used more as a wide receiver by the Saints, which is why when contract time came, he wanted to be paid like a wide receiver. The Seahawks obviously knew this before they traded for him. To get the most out of Graham, the Seahawks need to split him out and find somebody else to block for Lynch.

  11. TLDR,

    I’d counter-argue Dilfer’s downfield accuracy and Lewis’ ability to be a playmaker without Goose and Ngata to keep him clean…

    That being said, do a draft day remake of Graham’s last year at “Da U” and his back to back drops in a game and how emotionally brittle he became on the sideline.

    I love hockey!

  12. So you trade for a catch first TE … then complain that he can’t block … which he never could and you knew that when you went after him.

    This sounds like the Giants.

  13. maiphatdong says:
    Oct 5, 2015 8:32 PM

    I can’t stand the seahawks, but i’d rather not be a good blocker and an outstanding offensive weapon, than a murderer and a qb who won the super bowl because he was just there
    ——————————————————————————-
    But it’s ok to use the most rudimentary logical fallacy to attack the argument, gotcha.

    This isn’t even the first time an ESPN on air personality eviscerated Graham’s blocking. There are countless video examples of Graham not even trying to block and his assignment making a tackle for no gain. This is old news.

  14. I have little problem with analysts describing the deficiencies of players. When they start making up derogatory terms like “queen TE” it goes over the line.

    The NFL will never shed it’s bad reputation concerning the treatment of women when analysts use feminine terms as a form of denigration.

  15. Speaking of holding a team back, Dilfer alone prevented the Bucs from winning at least one more Super Bowl…

  16. floratiotime- adults are present and having a conversation you might not understand or I see you struggle with reading and comprehension. If so I’m sorry little buddy..

    If not you are just stupid, was this a seahawks player, coach, staff, and or fan quote? Or was this Ray Lewis and Trent Dilfer? To my knowledge those players do NOT play or work for the Seattle seahawks. Where did you get your info about them trading someone then complaining?

    Seattle complains that our OLINE is TERRIBLE which it is, but we gained a massive offensive weapon for an aging perpetually injured center whose paid alot of money albiet fan favorite. While their will be growing pains for both the new Center and Graham we wouldn’t take that trade back for anything not even with Oline struggles.

    The hawks have him blocking or atleast attempting to block and as the season goes on they’ll find other uses for him. What you don’t do is change your entire offensive scheme and identity to adjust to a new player who has yet to prove anything on your team. As Graham gets comfortable he’s getting more and more touches and tds.

    Please kill the trolling if you can’t even keep track of who is discussing the topic topic.

  17. Come on now. What they said is true, and even the guys in the studio agreed with them on Jimmy Graham’s pathetic blocking. The truth hurts the fans more than it did Graham.

  18. dirtdawg54 says:
    Oct 5, 2015 8:30 PM
    It was hardly an “attack”. Are football players so soft that they can’t handle the truth? Graham is a brutal blocker. That was well known before he came to the Seahawks. They are only reflecting on the truth.
    ========

    They are parroting the same things a thousand people have already said. Is that what ESPN is paying them for?

    Any chance they could take a shot at having an original point or is that too much to ask?

  19. They didn’t trade a 1st and their starting Center for a blocker. Unless they are going to play to his strengths, what’s the point of having him?

    Let the man do what he does best.

  20. I thought Gonzalez had a reputation as a horrible blocker, not sure when that changed, thought that was funny, but not as funny as the Seahawks not knowing how to use yet another offensive weapon. You don’t give a huge contract and a first round pick for a Tight End to block. You just hope he doesn’t totally kill you on run plays, their OL is still terrible, but Rawls sure looked great last week.

  21. What the Seahawks lack is an elite passing game. It’s not them. They won a Super Bowl by running the ball. They went to another Super Bowl by running the ball. That’s what they do. They then went out and signed their QB to a big deal and went out and got him another perceived weapon. The problem for Seattle is that Wilson is not Drew Brees. He doesn’t have the accuracy, or arm of Brees. Therefore the value of Graham in the offense is perception. It’s not real.

    Remember Jimmy wanting to be paid like an elite WR instead of a TE? Cause that’s what he is. He isn’t a TE. He’s a slash: He’s a big WR who lines up inside like a TE. Yes, this does not help the run game. Yes, Graham cannot make Wilson into Brees. Yes, Seattle has the greatest TE/WR in the game. If they can’t use him in this offense, they should trade him. I assume the idea is that he will make Wilson better, but in reality it was Brees who made Graham better.

  22. I love the look Steve Young gives Ray Lewis at least once per broadcast. He looks over at Ray and you can just tell he’s thinking “Dude, you killed a guy.”

  23. Funny how the truth hurts! What’s even funnier then that, is the Hawk fans justifying the move lol Carpenter sucked, Giacometti sucked, Unger is old! lol NO you couldn’t that’s not it! You guys couldn’t afford to keep your top notch O line! Your O line sucks! It’s over in Seattle!

  24. Is it news that Jimmy Graham is a slot receiver in a tight end’s body? This guy never was a blocker. It is on the offensive coordinator to scheme around it.

  25. allidoiswin55 says:
    Oct 5, 2015 10:00 PM
    floratiotime- adults are present and having a conversation you might not understand or I see you struggle with reading and comprehension. If so I’m sorry little buddy..

    If not you are just stupid, was this a seahawks player, coach, staff, and or fan quote? Or was this Ray Lewis and Trent Dilfer? To my knowledge those players do NOT play or work for the Seattle seahawks. Where did you get your info about them trading someone then complaining?

    Seattle complains that our OLINE is TERRIBLE which it is, but we gained a massive offensive weapon for an aging perpetually injured center whose paid alot of money albiet fan favorite. While their will be growing pains for both the new Center and Graham we wouldn’t take that trade back for anything not even with Oline struggles.

    The hawks have him blocking or atleast attempting to block and as the season goes on they’ll find other uses for him. What you don’t do is change your entire offensive scheme and identity to adjust to a new player who has yet to prove anything on your team. As Graham gets comfortable he’s getting more and more touches and tds.

    Please kill the trolling if you can’t even keep track of who is discussing the topic topic.
    —————

    The point though is that they really shouldn’t be using him to block. Or at the very least, realize when he is in there blocking that he may need some help and don’t use him for critical blocking situations. There is absolutely nothing wrong in a TE being far better at catching or blocking. It is actually pretty normal. Just understand their weakness and don’t incorporate it into plays.

  26. maiphatdong says:
    Oct 5, 2015 8:32 PM

    I can’t stand the seahawks, but i’d rather not be a good blocker and an outstanding offensive weapon, than a murderer and a qb who won the super bowl because he was just there

    ———————

    I disagree with this to a point. Dilfer is actually pretty underrated as a QB. He wasn’t the best, but he was better than the game manager people want to portray him as.

    Could the Ravens that year with that defense have won the SB with almost any QB? Maybe. But it doesn’t mean Dilfer is the worst QB they could have had.

  27. What’s funny, he was a better blocker with the Saints than he is in Seattle. Don’t believe, look at Saints tape from 2011. He was solid. That team was #5 in the league in rushing too.

  28. I dunno what’s worse – being a great pass catching TE who can’t block, or trading for a great pass catching TE and using him to block.

  29. who is trent dilfer? that guy who tried to play quarterback for a few seasons? I mean we all know who ray lewis is, the murderer, but who is dilfer to say anything about anybody that guy was an embarrassment to the QB position

  30. No one should ever watch any type of pre-game or analysis show on ESPN. Ever. Actually, you should probably never watch ESPN outside of live sporting events and even then, you should mute your television.

  31. Even though in a prejorative sense Lewis is correct….that isn’t what he meant.

    This is a standard football term for declaring run strength to/away a 3 man surface.

    Ex

    Kings = trips formation with TE (on the line / in the box)

    Queens = trips formation without TE

    Essentially, Lewis is saying that when Graham was in the game they considered him a WR as it pertains to the run strength of the formation.

    …..but don’t let that stop you SJW from hyperventilating

  32. Usually when you draft or trade for a tight end, you classify them as either a ‘receiving’ tight end or a ‘blocking’ tight end depending on which part of being a tight end, who is supposed to handle BOTH responsibilities, they excel at. The reason they are tight ends is because they are supposed to basically be a hybrid of receiver and lineman, big enough and capable of blocking at the line and still able to competently go out and catch a pass.
    An example is Crockett Gilmore of the Ravens. He was drafted as a predominantly blocking tight end. He has worked on and developed into a passable receiver now when called on, but it was known that receiving wasn’t the role he usually handled in college, it was run blocking and pass blocking.
    Graham reminds me more of when they would tell Vinny Testeverde to block. If you can ever get a chance to see footage of that, it would make you have to get stitches laughing at his stance and attitude.

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