Patriots quietly have the NFL’s most effective running game

AP

The Patriots’ offense is built around Tom Brady and the passing attack. New England leads the NFL with an average of 331.2 passing yards per game, and Brady is on pace for the first 5,500-yard season in NFL history. The Patriots have almost exactly a 2:1 pass-run ratio (they’ve called 171 passing plays and 86 running plays this year), even though they’re undefeated and have had late fourth-quarter leads in every game. The Patriots are fifth in the NFL in pass attempts per game and 27th in the NFL in rush attempts per game. New England is a pass-first offense.

And yet when the Patriots decide to run the ball, they’re as good at it as any team in the NFL.

The Patriots’ running offense is so good that they’ve picked up first downs on 27.7 percent of their running plays, the best percentage in the NFL. The Patriots are tied for fifth in the NFL in rushing touchdowns, with six, even though they rank 30th in the NFL in total rushing attempts. The Patriots are one of only five teams in the league that hasn’t fumbled on a running play this year. According to the advanced stats at FootballOutsiders.com, the Patriots are the most efficient team in the NFL at running the ball.

Although the Patriots’ average of 3.9 yards a carry doesn’t look great, the Patriots’ stats are skewed a bit because they’ve had eight quarterback kneeldowns for negative-10 yards. Remove the quarterback kneeldowns, and the Patriots are averaging 4.4 yards a carry — a very healthy average for a team that usually runs in short-yardage and goal-line situations.

Expect the Patriots’ solid running game to continue on Sunday night against the Colts. Last year, the Patriots’ best rushing game in the regular season came when they ran for 246 yards in Week 11 against the Colts, and their best rushing game in the playoffs came when they ran for 177 yards in the AFC Championship Game against the Colts. Indianapolis knows all too well that while the Patriots’ offense is built primarily through Brady’s arm, they can beat you on the ground as well.

122 responses to “Patriots quietly have the NFL’s most effective running game

  1. It’s a hell of an accomplishment & you have to be a real loser to discount it as cheating.

  2. If your good at passing you’ll be good at running, not impressive when the box has 5 guys in it

  3. The Patriots are one of only five teams in the league that hasn’t fumbled on a running play this year

    HAHA. Wonder what conspiracy all the fumble “truthers” have moved on to now?

    As always, thanks for the entertainment.

  4. Sorry, Dion Lewis fumbled TWICE. Both were on short pass plays so they aren’t counting them, but the fumble came during a run. Also, the Pats don’t fumble because they usually bench guys who fumble, ask Ridley. He fumbled his way right off the team. Lewis is the only guy I have seen fumble and keep playing, but that is just how good he is. They can’t bench him.

  5. So when they go 19-0..and Brady gets his 5th ring,,and 4th SB MVP,,,he will retire as the GREATEST QB of ALL TIME,,,and old peyton M can retire into obscurity….hopefully

  6. Lewis + Blount = an article like this on PFT. 🙂

    Hey Steelers thanks for cutting Blount! 🙂

    🙂

  7. great..Pats fan club in 3..2…1

    —–

    Thanks for the countdown! 🙂

    Keep rolling out the red carpet for us superior fans of the Workd Champions, winners of more titles than any NFL team in the last quarter century, winners of more games this century than any NFL team, and the undisputed paragon of excellence in today’s NFL….

  8. Check back next week…Pats have not played a run defense like they will this week!!! Pats have never been able to run on my COLTS!!!!

    yes!
    BIG win for indy coming!
    yes!
    say it with me!
    yes!
    :'(

  9. No fumbles or interceptions, Brady breaking another passing or career record in every game — remember, haters, you decided to side with folks that by their own admission don’t understand 9th grade chemistry. We tried to warn you.

  10. 12coltsfan12 says:
    Oct 15, 2015 9:50 AM
    Check back next week…Pats have not played a run defense like they will this week!!! Pats have never been able to run on my COLTS!!!!
    ———————-
    This must be a sarcastic post, right?

  11. I may dislike the Patriots and think they stretch the rules to the max but I cannot deny how good a coach they have. Seeing other teams that were once dominant (Seahawks, Niners, Ravens, Steelers) if really makes me envious of good coaching and player personnel management.

  12. Under inflated balls are easier to throw catch and harder to fumble….someone ask Troy Aikmen, Mark Brunell et al why they didn’t realize they played with under inflated balls every time they played in cold weather…thought it was easy to tell!

  13. edon8334 says:
    Oct 15, 2015 9:35 AM
    great..Pats fan club in 3..2…1
    ___________________________________
    You must be one of the official NFL timekeepers. Your countdown varied from 2 ticks between 3 and 2 to 3 ticks between 2 and 1. How are we, who are a part of the Pats fan club, supposed to know when it’s time to post when you can’t even get the countdown right? Where is Goodell when you need him?

  14. I can not wait to find out what new creative ways the Patriots are using to cheat this season…Drones maybe lol… or even psychics… who knows with those darn Patriots… LOL…Indeed…

  15. I used all these facts and statistics a few weeks ago when defending my assertion that Brady is outperforming Rodgers… and got destroyed for it lol.

    I kind of feel validated now that this story was published. The fact of the matter is that Brady is leading this team up and down the field, whereas the running game is purely supplemental. Sure, they have TDs, but those easily could have been passing TDs if Brady cared enough about his TD stats.

    It’s part of the reason Brady is my favorite NE athlete of all time; he has the ability to put up astronomical personal numbers, but prioritizes winning.

  16. Pretty much every single thing the Patriots have done in the past, and everything they do in the future while Billicheck is their coach, is completely moot….. nobody cares. Everyone thinks they cheat all the time.

    That’s not unfair…… it’s something the team did to themselves.

  17. ITS GOOD THAT THEY ARE EFFECTIVE IN THE RUN BECAUSE THEIR QB HAD ONE OF THE WORST QBR GAMES LAST WEEK.

  18. No, no, no…this doesn’t add up, this doesn’t add up at all! There’s gotta be cheating going on! There’s just GOTTA BE! There probably…um…they’re probably….USING MAGNETS NOW! Brady slips the ref $100 as he gets helped up after getting a flag for a “dirty” hit, the ref’s 2nd cousin’s best friend’s college roommate works at Wilson, and he makes special balls just for the Patriots with tiny undetectable magnets in them. Then, before each game, each Patriots player receives an IV, sending an opposite magnetic charge coursing through their veins, and voila! The ball sticks. No fumbles. Yeah, that’s gotta be it…..right?

  19. dal1as says:
    Oct 15, 2015 10:01 AM

    They also are the leagues biggest set of liars and cheaters too.

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    I like the way you haters show up to take your lumps
    as more evidence comes in that you were played for chumps

  20. “funny how no one wants to talk about Dion Lewis & 2 straight fumbles to open the season”

    Yup a player who has not been active for an nfl game in 2 years and had never been on the Pats before fumbled twice.

    By the way never having played for the Pats before makes him and his fumbles invalid as a comparison to previous Pats players.

    Keep whining and dreaming ng though

  21. ITS GOOD THAT THEY ARE EFFECTIVE IN THE RUN BECAUSE THEIR QB HAD ONE OF THE WORST QBR GAMES LAST WEEK.

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    QBR said that Tim Tebow was better than Aaron Rodgers on at least one occasion. There was an article posted here on PFT about that.

    Tells you all you need to know about QBR. 🙂

    If the NFL is good with the standard passer rating then so am I. 🙂

  22. I watched Inside the NFL last might and they had two guests, Osi Umenyiora and Tony Gonzalez, on the show. Between those two and Brandon Marshall, it was interesting how all three were torn between praising Brady, Gronk and the Patriots while trying to take away from their achievements. Gonzalez praised Gronk but kept emphasizing that he gets to play with a HOF quarterback.

    None of them panel spoke to Gronk’s all around play of blocking and running with the football after the catch that really separates him from guys like Gonzalez. Of course, Gonzalez’s longevity of greatness has Gonk looking up to him and he will need years, if ever, to surpass him in status.

    Umenyiora was more direct in his desire to see the Patriots not go undefeated. It reminded me of the old Dolphins. Somehow their success (the highlight of their career) would be diminished in their eyes if the Patriots can do one game better than they did in 2007.

    In the NFL, everything is relative and the Patriots success just rubs guys who see life as a zero sum game the wrong way. In that pervasive mentality lies the germination of Patriots hate and envy. Wouldn’t it be more fun to just enjoy greatness?

  23. brian55906 says:
    Oct 15, 2015 10:09 AM
    Pretty much every single thing the Patriots have done in the past, and everything they do in the future while Billicheck is their coach, is completely moot….. nobody cares. Everyone thinks they cheat all the time.
    ———–

    Admittedly, there are some that feel that way. But they are generally restricted to women just learning the game, children who just want their team to win, and poor uneducated souls who blindly follow the lead of a bitter family member whose team has lost repeatedly to the Patriots.
    Of all the knowledgeable football fans I know from any team, none feel that way. They have grudging respect for Belichick, and constantly hope he retires.

  24. One thing that helps the Patriots run the ball is that teams don’t really play the run when they play the Patriots. They really can’t afford to shift focus away from the coverage of Gronkowski and Edelman (and others). You pick your poison when you go up against the Patriots and that helps the Patriots running game. If they want to run the ball on Indy, they will, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they open it up and throw against that Indy secondary.

  25. Good things happen when you don’t get stuck in the crazy mentality of trying to establish the run. It’s easy to run when the defense is trying to stop the pass. It’s hard to pass when you’re always in 2nd or 3rd and long, and facing blitzes, because you tried to establish the run first. (Disregard if you have five HOF O-Linemen).

  26. The Patriots are one of only five teams in the league that hasn’t fumbled on a running play this year
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    Where are you, fumble stats guy?????

    *crickets*

    *crickets*

  27. edon8334 says:
    great..Pats fan club in 3..2…1

    ___

    You know, you don’t have to read the article or the comments if you don’t want to.

  28. winners of more titles than any NFL team in the last quarter century
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    winners of more ****’s than any NFL team in the last quarter century

  29. brian55906 says:
    Oct 15, 2015 10:09 AM
    Pretty much every single thing the Patriots have done in the past, and everything they do in the future while Billicheck is their coach, is completely moot….. nobody cares. Everyone thinks they cheat all the time.
    ““““““““““““““““
    Whatever you have to tell yourself to get through Sunday.

  30. Anyone who uses the ESPN QBR thing as some kind of point in a conversation has no idea what they’re talking about.

  31. They have also scored more rushing touchdowns this century than any team in the league (by quite a bit, as I recall). That is something to keep in mind when considering passing touchdown numbers for great quarterbacks. TB12 is not necessarily in pass-first mode in the red zone.

  32. The Patriots are one of only five teams in the league that hasn’t fumbled on a running play this year
    ——————————————————–

    Dion Lewis has in fact fumbled twice and Tom Brady has fumbled once. Their teammates recovered the fumbles.

    Are you implying that air pressure only makes loose balls bounce into the arms of Patriots players rather than their opponents? Silly.

  33. The pats have the luxury of putting out an elite pass catcher at tight end who is also a ferocious run blocker.
    It’s not just a talent advantage its a unpredictability advantage.

  34. tigerlilac says:

    In the NFL, everything is relative and the Patriots success just rubs guys who see life as a zero sum game the wrong way. In that pervasive mentality lies the germination of Patriots hate and envy. Wouldn’t it be more fun to just enjoy greatness?

    ___________________

    Great point. I think it will never change. The NFL, like all professional sports, is driven by in the pursuit of status, usually vicariously. Status is a zero sum game.

  35. It just goes to show how right I was when I said that it’s the Patriots running game that’s driving the cart. Patriots fans laughed then, but now you’ll hear crickets chirping. Nobody gets pampered and supported like Tom Brady. Including having the top run game in football to carry him.

  36. Dion Lewis has in fact fumbled twice and Tom Brady has fumbled once. Their teammates recovered the fumbles.

    I believe Brady and Lewis fumbled against the Bills and the Bills recovered both of those.

  37. Brady threw for 275 yds /2 TDs (0 INTs) and rushed for another TD last week….completed 20/27 passes….YET…..ESPN, the media bagmen for Roger Goodell and his Patriot hating Henchmen, rated Brady the 2nd worst passer last Sunday according to their mysterious QBR indicator using secret variables unknown to man kind. On a day when QBs were benched, QBs were chucking picks….a near perfect Brady performance that dropped 30 points on a bruising Dallas Defense……ESPN determined that Brady was the 2nd worst QB in the NFL in week 5.
    Yeah….no media biased by ESPNFL….home of slanderous Patriot haters…acting at the behest of their leader….Roger the Fraud Goodell.
    Fire Goodell NOW….end our national nightmare

  38. truthprofessor says: Oct 15, 2015 11:12 AM

    The Patriots are one of only five teams in the league that hasn’t fumbled on a running play this year
    ——————————————————–

    Dion Lewis has in fact fumbled twice and Tom Brady has fumbled once. Their teammates recovered the fumbles.

    Are you implying that air pressure only makes loose balls bounce into the arms of Patriots players rather than their opponents? Silly.
    ==========================

    Another graduate of the public school system. Lets look at the statement again. It reads, “ON A RUNNING PLAY this year”. Brady fumbled on a passing play. The Lewis fumbles were both on pass receptions. None of them were on “RUNNING” plays.

  39. The World Champion Patriots are clearly the NFLs Greatest Dynasty. 🙂

    It really is laughable that Patriot Hater really thinks their wuss team deserves to be on the field with US.

    🙂

  40. tigerlilac says:
    Oct 15, 2015 10:28 AM
    I watched Inside the NFL last might and they had two guests, Osi Umenyiora and Tony Gonzalez, on the show. Between those two and Brandon Marshall, it was interesting how all three were torn between praising Brady, Gronk and the Patriots while trying to take away from their achievements. Gonzalez praised Gronk but kept emphasizing that he gets to play with a HOF quarterback.

    None of them panel spoke to Gronk’s all around play of blocking and running with the football after the catch that really separates him from guys like Gonzalez. Of course, Gonzalez’s longevity of greatness has Gonk looking up to him and he will need years, if ever, to surpass him in status.

    Umenyiora was more direct in his desire to see the Patriots not go undefeated. It reminded me of the old Dolphins. Somehow their success (the highlight of their career) would be diminished in their eyes if the Patriots can do one game better than they did in 2007.

    In the NFL, everything is relative and the Patriots success just rubs guys who see life as a zero sum game the wrong way. In that pervasive mentality lies the germination of Patriots hate and envy. Wouldn’t it be more fun to just enjoy greatness?

    ===================================

    Well said. Worth a re-post.

  41. darthbelichick07 says:
    Oct 15, 2015 9:37 AM
    The Patriots are one of only five teams in the league that hasn’t fumbled on a running play this year

    HAHA. Wonder what conspiracy all the fumble “truthers” have moved on to now?

    As always, thanks for the entertainment.

    —————

    Has there ever been a group who has been consistently more wrong than #HaterNation?

  42. pjflynn84 says:
    Oct 15, 2015 10:11 AM
    ITS GOOD THAT THEY ARE EFFECTIVE IN THE RUN BECAUSE THEIR QB HAD ONE OF THE WORST QBR GAMES LAST WEEK.

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    Keep fighting the good fight little guy!

  43. bigsausagepizza12, I’ll still watch most games of those teams this year, just like I watched the Patriots back when they sucked, just like I’ll still watch the Patriots when they eventually suck again. Every successful team has its bandwagon jumpers, but most of us Boston fans are passionate all around and don’t just pretend our bad teams don’t exist. How’s the new Yankee Stadium been doing for attendance these first few years? Watch a game, there’s huge patches of empty seats, in the biggest sports market in the country, at the stadium of arguably the most storied franchise in pro sports. 18 million people in the NYC metropolitan area, and you can’t get 40 K into a ballpark? The Red Sox were miserable this year, but the fans still showed up.

  44. The Patriots are one of only five teams in the league that hasn’t fumbled on a running play this year.

    *******************

    Bwhahahaha!!! But wait, where are all the armchair statisticians with their fancy graphs and charts?????

    For those of you keeping score at home, since the NFL opened its witchunt after the AFC Championship game:

    1) The Patriots are 5-0
    2) Tom Brady has never been hotter and is on pace for a 5,500 yard passing season.
    3) They have not fumbled on a running play this season.

    All of this using the most scrutinized footballs the NFL has ever had.

    We are on to Indy.

    Thus endeth the lesson.

  45. Brady fumbled without throwing the pass. How can you assume that he fumbled on a passing play when no pass was thrown? Can you read minds and say that he wasn’t going to take a step to avoid the pressure and then take a knee for no gain, which would make it a rushing play?

  46. The Patriots have not fumbled on a rushing attempt.

    The Patriots have not fumbled at home.

    The Patriots have fumbled 4 times on the road. (Brady 2, Lewis 2)

    The Patriots have lost two fumbles on the road, both in Buffalo (Brady, Lewis)

    The Patriots have recovered two of their own fumbles on the road. (Gronkowski in Buffalo, Edelman in Dallas)

  47. NFL fans love success but we like it without cheating. Patriots “fans” were just so desperate to have a winning team that they were willing to sell their own soul just to get a title. Well they did and they have their titles*

  48. Who cares. It’s four games into the season. Anything can happen in any game. Patriots can fumble 5 times in a game and probably still will win. Let’s look at all these stats when the season is over.

  49. arzcardinals says:
    Oct 15, 2015 12:16 PM

    Cardinals average 5.1 ypc
    Pat average 3.9

    What math are you doing to make the pats #1? It’s that ‘new’ math!!?!
    ________________________________

    ?

    Good grief. The article reads “most efficient” not highest yards per carry and…….

    The article is not using “new math” it is using a source that it provides a link to.

  50. bigsausagepizza12 says:
    Oct 15, 2015 12:15 PM
    NFL fans love success but we like it without cheating. Patriots “fans” were just so desperate to have a winning team that they were willing to sell their own soul just to get a title. Well they did and they have their titles*
    —–
    Well young lady, please show us your proof.

  51. bigsausagepizza12 says:
    Oct 15, 2015 12:15 PM

    NFL fans love success but we like it without cheating. Patriots “fans” were just so desperate to have a winning team that they were willing to sell their own soul just to get a title. Well they did and they have their titles*
    ________________________________
    Desperate? You hired Rex freakin Ryan. Now THAT’S desperate! My soul is firmly in my own hands and I’m loving me some four shiny Lombardi’s all earned on the field by 53 hard working men. If you think cheating is the answer to NE success you’re probably expecting Ryan to be successful. I really do pity you. 18 years with no light at the end of the tunnel.

  52. pjflynn84 says:
    Oct 15, 2015 10:11 AM

    ITS GOOD THAT THEY ARE EFFECTIVE IN THE RUN BECAUSE THEIR QB HAD ONE OF THE WORST QBR GAMES LAST WEEK.
    —————————————————–
    Oh look. An espn executive who’s brilliant idea was to come up with a totally useless, non-sensical, made up without any thought, rating system. How cute.

  53. bigsausagepizza12 says:
    Oct 15, 2015 11:22 AM

    Boston sports fans have only one team to cling on to this year because the Bruins, Sox and Celtics all suck ass. Bandwagon from one to another.
    ——————-
    Went to Fenway in August. The team was in last place and mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. Place was sold out. Sound “bandwagon” to you?

  54. The Pats have been caught cheating more than once. So no one can blame those of us who are skeptical of their success and question if they really are playing fairly now or still cheating.
    My guess is that they are still cheating.

  55. I don’t know why anyone cares about this or any other stat except for how many SB ‘s any team has won.

    Marino had amazing numbers, and I’m sure he’d trade each and every one for Trent Dilfer or Doug Wiliams’ Super Bowl rings.

    On a week by week basis, unless you’re into Fairyland Football, the only number that matters is the one above your team name on the scoreboard when the clock shows 00:00.

    Aaron Rodgers had great numbers last year, for all the good it did him.

  56. Poor poor Patriot Hater 🙂

    They really do think their wuss team belongs in the same league as the World Champion Patriots. 🙂

    Tee hee 🙂 Oh those poor deluded souls….

  57. pjflynn84 says:
    Oct 15, 2015 10:11 AM

    ITS GOOD THAT THEY ARE EFFECTIVE IN THE RUN BECAUSE THEIR QB HAD ONE OF THE WORST QBR GAMES LAST WEEK.

    —————————————————-
    “QBR” is a BSPN made up stat that is completely meaningless and a false representation of facts, like most of the BSPN articles.

  58. The Patriots are one of only five teams in the league that hasn’t fumbled on a running play this year.

    ——————————————-

    Let’s hear from the loser excuse makers with regard to fumbling and ball pressure on this one.

    Winners versus whiners.

  59. Patriots quietly have the NFL’s most effective running game.

    —————————

    More good news for the rest of the league. ROFL

  60. Things we’ll never know,

    would the 72 Dolphins have been undefeated if the had to play today’s Big Boy 16 game schedule?

    An enduring controversy is that the 1972 Dolphins played a soft schedule not possible under the current scheduling formula. Prior to the implementation of position scheduling in 1978, opponents were set by the NFL on a rotating basis. Statistically, the Dolphins’ 1972 regular-season opponents had an aggregate winning percentage of .397 and only two opponents had winning records that year (both the Kansas City Chiefs and New York Giants finished 8-6).
    The Dolphins were beneficiaries of a weak AFC East which saw the Colts lapse from a perennial contender into a three-year stretch in which they would win only 11 games; a Bills team which had yet to find its legs with O.J. Simpson and the return of coach Lou Saban; a dysfunctional Patriots organization which had little to no talent to surround former No. 1 overall draft choice Jim Plunkett; and a Jets squad with a porous defense, offsetting the benefits of Joe Namath remaining healthy throughout the season and an emerging John Riggins in the running game. The Dolphins’ 1972 opponents’ W-L record was 2-12, which serves to diminish their season’s accomplishment.
    Miami also caught a scheduling break by facing an Oilers squad in the midst of back-to-back 1-13 seasons, and a Cardinals squad which appeared to lack direction by rotating its starting quarterbacks instead of giving the job full-time to Jim Hart. Also, the Dolphins caught the Vikings in the midst of a massive transformation following the return of Fran Tarkenton. Minnesota missed the playoffs for the only time between 1968 and 1978 in 1972, going 7-7.

    Do Steeler fans think their team should have won the AFCCG in 72? I remember the sentiment of the day was that Shula HAD to be cheating.

  61. “NFL fans love success but we like it without cheating”

    That’s hilarious because if you look up the history of every team you will find that every team “cheats”.

    Lets look at a couple of the more famous ones –

    1. Fins tamper to get Coach Shula and docked a 1st round draft pick which was given to Baltimore.

    By the haters logic everything the Fins did in their undefeated season and winning Super Bowls under Shula is therefore “tainted”

    2. Denver salary cap cheats in both its SB winning years and is docked 2nd round draft picks for both those seasons.

    Denver cheated so by your logic their Lombardis are officially “tainted”

    I won’t do any more of your research for you, but all you have to do is go to any search engine and look.

    So stop acting like the team you follow is a collection of pure, unsullied people who have never done anything wrong in your life.

  62. It just goes to show how right I was

    Giving yourself way too much credit. You’ve never been right about anything.

  63. Wait – I thought the fumble rate was going to skyrocket

    Just affirms that the footballs were never deflated in the first place just like Walt Anderson confirmed before Goodell changed his answer

  64. The Patriots have cheated secretly with Spygate and openly with the great snowplow scam back in the ’80s. So why should we believe their fans or their team when they claim they weren’t cheating with Deflategate.

  65. Not only are the Patriots in the heads of other teams, they’re obviously in the heads of all these morons posting ridiculous statements. Keep em’ coming losers, as the Pats keep rolling!!! Bigsausagepizza12 get over it.. You’re pathetic 🙂

  66. Just because they ain’t fumblin’ don’t mean they ain’t cheatin’. There should be a contest for the next cheating scandal to be hurled at the Pats. What will it be?

  67. Another day I own the poor Pats fans who have nothing better to do but to defend their asterisks. So long, I’ll be back another day so you Pats fans have a reason to live.

  68. All the thumbs up are obviously Pats fans as everyone else on earth realizes that they cheat to win games lol

  69. Some typical fan boy was posting over on another site that Brady’s so great because he does it without “a run game to carry the offense” like supposedly Rodgers and Roethlisberger have. I tried to tell him otherwise. It’s great when myths get exposed like this. If anything, Brady enjoys MORE run support with the most effective and efficient run game in all of football. Talk about a “run game to carry the offense” this is just plain lifting it up on the shoulders and walking it home on its back.

  70. Brady doesn’t have a run gm to help carry the offense. It’seems complemenary. Being efficient is not the same as having a great running gm. The Pats pass/run ratio is 2:1, and they’re 23rd in the league in rushing yards /gm. I love hypocritical people that think they know something about FB. Keep up that streak of being wrong.

  71. Packers are still the best with 13 NFL Championships that they did not have to ever cheat to win even one.
    An * next to the pathetic 5 “wins” is nothing to brag about.

  72. packmanfan says:
    Oct 15, 2015 3:58 PM

    Packers are still the best with 13 NFL Championships that they did not have to ever cheat to win even one.
    An * next to the pathetic 5 “wins” is nothing to brag about.

    —————————–

    You seem really knowledgeable, how about you clue us in and tell all of us exactly when and how they cheated.

  73. bigsausagepizza12 says:
    Oct 15, 2015 11:22 AM
    Boston sports fans have only one team to cling on to this year because the Bruins, Sox and Celtics all suck ass. Bandwagon from one to another.
    ==
    Honestly I’ve lost track of how many Championship parades we’ve had in Boston, especially over the lat 15 years where Brady & the Pats Have O-W-N-E-D the AFC East. You know, that “weak” division that produced the most Super Bowls in this century.

    Pats fans celebrate, others ruminate.

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