Patriots players not surprised by philosophy, but by that play

AP

Even if they didn’t know the Colts were going to do that, the Patriots knew the Colts were going to try something.

Because let’s be honest, like the Spanish Inquisition, no one saw a fake punt to no one/swinging gate to nowhere coming.

You know, you’re not surprised with anything, how they play,” Patriots receiver Julian Edelman said, via Phil Perry of CSNNE.com. “They tried the onside kick. They did that. You know. Colts. . . .

“I’m glad they did it. We got the ball back with great field position. We were alert. Our guys went to where we had to go. And, um, shame on them, trying that again.”

Edelman was referring to the fourth-and-dumb fake punt attempt which confused only the Colts themselves, with the coach seeming as shocked as anyone (having drawn up the play). So instead of trailing by six, they were down 13 when Tom Brady took advantage of the short field and threw an immediate dagger touchdown.

Whether Griff Whalen was supposed to just hard-count to make the Patriots try to jump, or whether in another universe the play was supposed to work, we may never know. Because coach Chuck Pagano’s immediate explanation wasn’t a very good one.

“We prepared for a lot of stuff this week, but that’s not usual,” Patriots safety Devin McCourty said. “It was a good job by the guys on the field, though, being aware.

“I was [surprised]. But sometimes you see plays like that where it’s a different kind of punt formation and guys just don’t know where to line up and then you do see a snap sometimes, and the guy takes off. But our punt return unit was ready for it.”

Patriots coach Bill Belichick, who can go on and on about such small points of the game, was like his players in expecting something.

“That special teams group works really hard,” Belichick said. “We expected this to be a gadget game in the kicking game, the onside kick, some kind of fake kick — fake kick, fake punt, fake field goal. The punter ran a sweep against Tennessee a couple of weeks ago. It’s something they’ve done in the past.

“We didn’t know what the play was going to be obviously, but they went to a swinging-gate type play, went into the over-shift, and we wanted to make sure we covered the inside part. Reacted well to it. That was a good heads-up play by our punt return unit.”

For the Colts, their heads were up something, but the lack of self-awareness to know when to play that card ultimately doomed them.

91 responses to “Patriots players not surprised by philosophy, but by that play

  1. If there’s one thing I dislike more than my Bears losing, it’s watching the Colts play, so I didn’t watch the game. However, this sounds like one of the dumbest plays in this history of the League; especially stupid with the game closer than expected. If Pagano was on the hot seat before this game, then it’s blazin’ right now. Grigson’s, too.

  2. The dumbest organization in proffessional sports from the owner down to the fans….and they are probably going to be division champs in the horrible afc south with no more than 5 wins!

  3. I have to say, I keep rewinding my DVR and watching that boneheaded fake punt. Have to admire the Colts for trying hard to outfox New England.

    As a decades long Patriots fan, I am glad the Colts got exposed over the last few months for the lying, low life cheaters that they became. Trying to purposely smear another team when they can’t beat them on the field says a lot about the character of that organization.

    This win was so sweet!

  4. In the end the Pats and their fans did not get the scoreboard embarrassment that they desired, but the Colts’ screwup may prove even more humiliating for Indy in the long run.

  5. Reports are coming in that the Patriots cheated during that “trick play”. There is clear cut evidence that Bill Belichick used the Jedi Mind trick on Chuck Pagano, which is a clear cut violation of Rule 172, section 8, paragraph 10, see the fine print, article 4, amendment 7.

    Goodell has promised a full investigation into the matter, promising that if found guilty, he will suspend Belichick for four games and force him to wear an aluminum foil helmet on the sidelines for the rest of his career.

  6. I prefer never hearing what Edelman has to say about anything. The guy is a punk. He may be a very talented punk, but a punk none the less. I have no idea why he was able to get away with that delayed throwing of the football into the wall on his TD or why he thinks he needs to signal a first down after a 3 yard hitch but you’d think Bill would get a hold of this punk and teach him some class. Sometimes being good allows you to get away with not having class, apparently.

  7. .
    It’s not all that easy to confuse the Patriots special teams. They use many starters, supplemented by veterans whose main jobs are the kick and coverage teams.

    Brandon Bolden, who made the tackle on the ill advised fake, has been on all the Patriots special teams for four year

  8. Just watched the replays of the play. It’s even more moronic than I had imagined. This is exactly what Indy’s fair weather “fans” and owner deserve.

  9. You can’t say that’s the exact play that doomed them. They could’ve punted and had it returned for a TD.

    They could’ve punted and had it blocked.

    They could’ve punted and had it retuned to that same general area.

    They could’ve punted and pinned the Pats inside the 5 only to have Brady put together a clock draining 12 play 9 minute drive.

    Yes it looked stupid but only because they didn’t convert.

  10. May have been one of the dumbest plays in NFL history.

    Pagano coached like a desperate man…trying to prove that he belongs in Belichicks category…which is laughable.

    Seems to me…that Grigson was happy it happened..Makes the decision to fire this staff that much easier.

  11. Deion Sanders made the funny observation that the Colts probably never intended to actually run a play from that formation, but one of the Patriots players near the ball handler may have shouted “hut hut!” This was like a roadrunner cartoon where the genius coyote builds an elaborate bomb, and then the roadrunner pops up and lights the fuse while he’s still holding it. “Let’s try to trick Bill Belichick!” Awesome.

  12. In short: don’t run an unpolished gadget; and don’t try to fool a Grand Master like Belichick, especially by putting only one man on your line.

    Colts could have had a chance to win – but somehow they just snapped at the critical moment.

  13. I can see it now, last Tuesday, Pagano walks into the coaches meeting. He sits down, giddy with excitement. He says, “gentleman, I am going to out Belichick Bill Belichick. I have devised the perfect trick play. On a 4th and short, the punt team will line up 9 guys on the right between the numbers and the sideline, they wont pay any attention to having the right number of players on the line or legalities of any kind. The other 2 spots will line up on the left hash, it will be our 6th string receiver, hiking the ball to our back up safety. It is gonna be brilliant. When the Patriots line 4 guys up over center, they will be so shocked that we actually snapped the ball, that they wont know what hit them…”

  14. I almost fell out off my couch laughing at that play, lol. I can’t believe they actually started that play. I thought for sure they would just take the delay of game if they didn’t get the offsides.

    While it wasn’t the blowout many people were predicting, Pats came away with the win. And they were relatively dominant, despite the close score. Good, solid win against a team that they might have taken too lightly based on previous games.

  15. The Colts CLEARLY recovered the Onsides kick.

    Can’t wait for the Packers to beat this team in the Super Bowl. Patriots look good, but not as good as us!

    Too bad for the Colts. Your having another disappointing year.

  16. The ridiculous part wasn’t the execution of the play, it was the very design of the play. No matter what happen on that play, it was all going to be for nothing, because it was intentionally designed to not have enough men at the line of scrimmage. So any gain was bound to be negated by the penalty.

    Stupid, stupid play. Which is why Chuck Pagano looks like an amateur compared to Bill Belichick, whose team took full advantage of this blender.

    One more reason why people say Belichick is playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers

  17. I guess one approach to try and score on the Patriots is to do it on a sneak play of some type. Concept being maybe we can fool them on the play sufficiently to score a touchdown or kick a field goal.
    Problem with that approach is that the Patriots are trained to expect the unexpected, so it often fails. But even on the few occasions where a trick play works, its never enough. You need at least 30 points to beat the Patriots and they are too well trained and disciplined to give up that many points to trick plays. The only way to beat the Patriots is to outplay them for the entire 60 minutes of the game. So far, no one has come close.

  18. The Patriots being well coached enough to stand still and put three guys on the Colts two in the middle of the field……that’s gotta be cheating. It’s a tainted win thus the rules will be changed to allow that formation and require the Patriots to jump off side if they are the receiving team. Or things similar to this that the Colts have whined about in the past.The best question this morning is what are they whining about now ? They just can’t help themselves.

  19. The Swinging gate usually has a couple of options.

    1. Get your opponent to burn through a timeout, as most NFL coaches when they see something funky they just call the timeout by instinct.

    2. If the defense is so confused by the alignment, they don’t react properly and the “QB” as Pagano called him could just take the snap and immediately toss the ball to the side that could have a huge numbers advantage. (Granted they would have to be on the line of scrimmage)

    3. If the defense over compensates their defenders to the bunch, the QB and center can pick up the short yards… again only if there aren’t two people standing right on top of them.

  20. I feel bad for those players on the Colts. They were spilling their guts on the field in a game where they knew they couldn’t win. Last night was their personal Superbowl and Colts players played hard. But just when it was starting to look like a shocking upset might be a 1% possibility, along comes the clown-show coaching staff to make sure they have no chance. Nicely done Pagano, you boob! That Colts team will go nowhere until he and his clown buddies are sent packing and of course, Grigson too. I was hoping for a blowout but this was much more enjoyable to watch… #finalists

  21. Yes, please take note at the Patriots incredible preparation for situational play. No panic, no timeouts needed. THAT is why they’re so successful…..COACHING! Like you’d ever see a BB team look that stupid.

  22. The game wasn’t the 60-3 every rabid Patriots fan wanted, but some predictable things did happen:

    The Patriots righted the ship at halftime, and the opposing team did something incomprehensibly dumb to help gift-wrap the game.

  23. Chuck Pagano needs to be fired, immediately. Any coach that would allow his team to line up in a formation like this one and actually snap the ball has no business coaching in the NFL. This play had absolutely no chance of working from the very beginning.
    For God’s sake, you had one snapper who was going to try to block two DBs?
    Then Chuck had the nerve to look surprised after the play blew up.
    I believe Pagano is a good guy, a class act, but he’s not a very good football coach.

  24. “Whether Griff Whalen was supposed to just hard-count to make the Patriots try to jump…”

    The snapper would not be doing the suggested hard count.

  25. All Colts fans childhood idols have taken a backseat to Brady, and they can’t take it. Did you see that stadium? Almost empty by the 4th quarter.

    For years Indy fans have purchased their kids Manning and Luck Jerseys, only to be laughed at by fellow collegues. When you see a Colts jersey, it’s like seeing that little brother you always used to beat up and pick on. It’s like when your older brother has all the trophies, and your parents frame them and put them in a showcase, but all you can do is look at it, because for 16 years you were only ever once good enough.

  26. If we are taking into account actions solely on the field, I don’t think there is a more pompous, unlikable player, than Julian Edelman. Dude defines the Boston stereotypes of arrogance.

  27. Pats fans predicted a win by over 40 points.

    Last night showed the team is playing at a pretty average level. The Colts, you know, are one of the bottom 10 NFL teams.

  28. Spazz says:
    Oct 19, 2015 8:39 AM

    “We didn’t know what the play was going to be obviously…”

    Yeah, riiiight.
    ————————–

    The Colts didn’t even know what the “play” was going to be.

  29. bigbenh8tr
    Oct 19, 2015, 9:20 AM EDT
    If we are taking into account actions solely on the field, I don’t think there is a more pompous, unlikable player, than Julian Edelman. Dude defines the Boston stereotypes of arrogance.
    ——————————

    Most dependable and reliable a team player I’ve ever seen. Last night with a broken finger was an obvious exception. Edelman I believe was an undrafted QB from Kent State and look what he’s become – a force on the field. He has good reason to play with a chip on his shoulder. Any team would kill to have this guy.

  30. “Can’t wait for the Packers to beat this team in the Super Bowl. Patriots look good, but not as good as us!”

    Looked real good giving up 5,000 passing yards at home…

  31. For all the Pats fans laughing, just remember your teams success will always have ** next to it.

  32. My team actually ran this play in high school in freshman year. Besides the Colts being in an illegal formation, the quarterback should be in shotgun to throw a quick screen down the line. Being the Pats spread across the line of scrimmage, Colts should have called a time out. It was the worst play in any professional sports history.

  33. bigbenh8tr says:
    Oct 19, 2015 9:20 AM

    If we are taking into account actions solely on the field, I don’t think there is a more pompous, unlikable player, than Julian Edelman. Dude defines the Boston stereotypes of arrogance.

    —————————————————-

    Yeah, I know what you mean. A too small college QB turned receiver, drafted late, who bides his time on special teams, works hard, becomes an all-pro, turns down big money in FA to stay with the coach and QB he likes and then goes on to be an featured player on a Super Bowl winning team. Yeah, what a jerk! And he was born and raised in California, so yeah, typical Boston guy..

  34. “That play”

    As good a name as any. In terms of ‘what the ___ did I just see’ value it was right up there with The Butt Fumble but since no one knows what the heck to call it there’s no way it will earn the same level of immortality.

    That had the look of something Irsay drew up on a napkin at 4:00 am after a 3 day bender, then blew his nose on the napkin and jammed it in his pocket. If he just threw it out that could have been the end of it but 4 days later he pulled it out and said to Pagano “I sign the checks. Use this play tonight”

  35. Later today the Colts will hoist a “fake punt participation banner”, while also committing a penalty.

  36. That fake punt formation with the split line on 4th down had to be a Steve Sarkisian play. I thought I was seeing white elephants on the field.

  37. Its funny how many teams talk trash about the Pats before the games and their fans are totally gleeful about it.

    But when the Pats talk trash on the field and after they’ve won its somehow “classless when what the other teams spout off about before the game is totally “classy”

    Pats hating parrots can dish it out but sure can’t take it.

    That’s called a double standard by the way.

  38. “For all the Pats fans laughing, just remember your teams success will always have ** next to it.”

    Better luck next time, oh miserable wittle Colt fan. LOL

  39. thepackerpoet says:
    Oct 19, 2015 8:14 AM
    The Colts CLEARLY recovered the Onsides kick.


    Clearly you have no clue. Explain how you come to this conclusion. There was not one replay view that showed anything definitive one way or the other. Before you say that the refs favored the pats go back and watch the PI on Chandler in the end zone.

    Every fan of every team in the league would love to have Edelman on their team. Absolutely the toughest guy on either team. Plays right through all the illegal but never called helmet shots.

    As far as blowouts go, I found it much more satisfying that Colts, and their #1 cheerleader Collinsworth, thought they had a chance right down to the last 2 minutes. Soo close but, denied! Love that Chrissy has now had to sit through a last minute SB win, A win against the Steelers in the opener and last night.

    I know I slept well last night 🙂

  40. romophobic says:
    Oct 19, 2015 6:52 AM

    I prefer never hearing what Edelman has to say about anything. The guy is a punk. He may be a very talented punk, but a punk none the less. I have no idea why he was able to get away with that delayed throwing of the football into the wall on his TD or why he thinks he needs to signal a first down after a 3 yard hitch but you’d think Bill would get a hold of this punk and teach him some class. Sometimes being good allows you to get away with not having class, apparently.
    —————————————————-
    Translation: I sure wish Edelman played on my team.

  41. @ wrossi81 says:
    Oct 19, 2015 6:40 AM
    Fourth-and-Dumb is a perfect name for that inexplicable play.————————————————————————————————————————-
    Yes it is. I think they should make a huge banner of it and hang it next to their “AFC finalist banner”!!

  42. Amishninjas…no..they had the WR as the center..the safety as the QB..ONE guy on the line of scrimmage..and it was 2 vs 5…it had no shot from the beginning. If they punted..and pinned the patriots down on their 10..they have a chance to stop them. If they line up LEGALLY and fake it..theres a shot..this was flat out stupid.

  43. You know you have a good team when you predictably beat
    a division-leading NFL team in their own house, and then your biggest problem is that you’re annoyed with the things you could have done better as you won.

    We’ve got it pretty good.

  44. When a team resorts to gadget plays while a game is close, it’s an admission that talent alone will not win the game.
    It’s one thing to play with a sense of urgency. It’s another to play with desperation. Pagaon’s trick play calls and Luck’s general performance after the opening drive revealed a sense of desperation.

    Pagano pointed to the Colts’ garbage time touchdown at the end of the game as a positive sign, saying that they gave themselves a chance to win. That’s bogus. It was apparent from the Patriots’ prevent defense on that final drive and ultra-conservative clock-bleeding offense that they were content to win the game and not trying to run up the score or humiliate the Colts.

  45. thepackerpoet says:
    Oct 19, 2015 8:14 AM

    The Colts CLEARLY recovered the Onsides kick.

    Can’t wait for the Packers to beat this team in the Super Bowl. Patriots look good, but not as good as us!

    Too bad for the Colts. Your having another disappointing year.
    ——————————————————-
    Tough talk from a team that gave up 500 yards passing at home to a 2-4 team. Probably wise to take off the rose colored glasses. You ain’t that good.

  46. As noted by Unchained, the Patriots return team immediately responded correctly. Well coached. You don’t see too many mental mistakes on Belichek’s teams. Probably a bad idea to expect or even hope for one. Better to just run a more conventional fake punt.

  47. Dear Coach Pagano,

    Thank you very much for your thoughtfulness in last night’s game. Your special teams whatever you call it was an unexpected and very pleasant gift.

    Sincerely,

    Pats Nation

  48. Funny how everyone forgets Bill’s bonehead 4th down play call/decision in 2009 when Belichick didn’t trust his defense & called that pass to Faulk that failed. Point is, coaches do all types of things on 4th down to try & win games. At least Pagano didn’t have the LEAD when he ran a jerky 4th down mess like Vince Belichick did.

  49. “Funny how everyone forgets Bill’s bonehead 4th down play call/decision in 2009 when Belichick didn’t trust his defense & called that pass to Faulk that failed. Point is, coaches do all types of things on 4th down to try & win games. At least Pagano didn’t have the LEAD when he ran a jerky 4th down mess like Vince Belichick did.”

    One bad decision from BB in 15 years does not excuse Pagano’s absolute failure as a head coach. Sorry.

  50. Colts fans are still hoping Goodell does what he did in FrameGate

    He’ll just ask the official for his “best recollection” on which team scored the most points

    The official will confirm his best recollection is that the Patriots won

    Then Goodell will assume the opposite, as he had to do on which gauge showed deflation – and declare the Colts the winners!

    (Goodell can do that because he has “unquestioned integrity” per the owner’s mandate)

  51. ikeclanton says:
    Oct 19, 2015 9:01 AM
    The game wasn’t the 60-3 every rabid Patriots fan wanted, but some predictable things did happen:

    The Patriots righted the ship at halftime, and the opposing team did something incomprehensibly dumb to help gift-wrap the game.
    ————–
    Never agreed with Felger before; but he said that before the game he would have thought Pats fans would be disappointed by a close score in this game, turns out all we wanted was a reason to laugh at the Colts…..he was right, it was oddly cathartic.

  52. themonkeyman says: Oct 19, 2015 10:49 AM

    Funny how everyone forgets Bill’s bonehead 4th down play call/decision in 2009 when Belichick didn’t trust his defense & called that pass to Faulk that failed. Point is, coaches do all types of things on 4th down to try & win games. At least Pagano didn’t have the LEAD when he ran a jerky 4th down mess like Vince Belichick did.
    _______________________________

    I think you miss the point of why Belichick made the call. Bill determined that if the Colts gain possession, they are gonna win the game. And what happened, the Colts gained possession, and then went down and won the game.

    The 4th and 2 play will be argued forever, just the Miracle in Nashville where one group says it was a forward lateral and another group says it wasn’t. I have watched many replays of 4th and 2, and in my estimation Faulk got enough yards to get the first down. Doesn’t mean I am right, I just feel like it was a bad spot, and replay was not going to over turn the call. If it was spotted as a first it would have been unchanged. If it was spotted short (as it was) it would have remained short on replay (and it was). Belichicks play call actually had a chance. Pagano’s play call was pointless.

    Would I have gone for it on 4th and 2? No, but its a better call than whatever that was last night. People forget that for 3 years Belichick was destroyed for 4th and 2 (and as you have proved, he is still taking flack for it)

  53. Pagano- When you get fired, please come back and coach this pathetic Ravens defense. Since you left Dean Pees has done nothing but destroy our legacy of being a hard nosed defense.

  54. Funny how everyone forgets Bill’s bonehead 4th down play call/decision in 2009 when Belichick didn’t trust his defense & called that pass to Faulk that failed. Point is, coaches do all types of things on 4th down to try & win games. At least Pagano didn’t have the LEAD when he ran a jerky 4th down mess like Vince Belichick did

    ——————————————————–
    Translation: I wish Belichick coached the Colts.

  55. The Butt Fumble was at least an accident. This may surpass it in that it was intentional. The Pats would never have to play another down against the Colts as they served themselves a nice cold plate of revenge. Gotta love it.

  56. How do NFL coaches go numb and forget football 101? Harbaugh fooled by alignments, no time out but instead a 15 yard penalty. Pagano, fools no one on a bonehead fake punt alignment, no time out and it’s Pat’s ball inside the 50. Belichick simply scares these guys to stupidity. When in doubt take a time out. Sheesh.

  57. I call it the WTF play. It’s what everyone who saw it said when the watched it–didn’t matter whether you were a Colts fan, a Pats fan or a disinterested third party.

  58. thepackerpoet says:
    Oct 19, 2015 8:14 AM
    The Colts CLEARLY recovered the Onsides kick.

    Can’t wait for the Packers to beat this team in the Super Bowl. Patriots look good, but not as good as us!

    Too bad for the Colts. Your having another disappointing year.

    ——————————————————————-

    This post is hilarious considering the Packers just squeaked by the sub-.500 Chargers at home.

  59. Anyone knocking Julian Edelman doesn’t appreciate hard work and execution. He worked for year to get the opportunity to replace Welker and he has been more explosive than Welker, one of my all-time favorite players. He was integral to the 2014 super bowl win. Despite his uncharacteristic drops, his coach and quarterback did not lose faith in him last night. His spin move for a first down on fourth and two was all him as the Colts had sniffed out the play and had to defenders ready to stop him. The guy has a huge heart and keeps Brady young.

  60. I might be old school but I’ll take wins over classy losses. You know you have no argument or excuses when you play the “ya but, no class” card. Those are big, mean, angry men playing a violent, dangerous, winner takes all “game”. When any play could be your last. The sooner the “everyone get’s a trophy”, play nice crowd accepts that the better off we’ll be.

  61. imodan says: Oct 19, 2015 11:31 AM

    How do NFL coaches go numb and forget football 101? Harbaugh fooled by alignments, no time out but instead a 15 yard penalty. Pagano, fools no one on a bonehead fake punt alignment, no time out and it’s Pat’s ball inside the 50. Belichick simply scares these guys to stupidity. When in doubt take a time out. Sheesh.
    _________________________

    I actually think Harbaugh losing his mind and running on the field, and getting a 15 yard penalty was a smart move. I think he is an clown, and there should be rules preventing this from happening, but… When Harbaugh was on the field making a spectacle of himself, the Ravens coaches were coaching up the defenders on the field. Harbaugh basically traded a 15 yard penalty for a timeout. A time out that proved valuable at the end of the game, preventing the Pats from fully running the clock out. I think there should be rules preventing a team from stealing a timeout like that. You could call it cheating by getting essentially 4 timeouts in the half.

  62. “Despite his uncharacteristic drops”

    What the ones the dislocated and/or broken finger caused ?

    Most receivers would have been done for the game with that. He went right back out there, made a couple mistakes, figured out how to compensate for the bad finger and played as hard as ever

  63. All of you Edelmen defenders…. Yes, the guy is ridiculously talented and is probably the heart of that offense, even more than Donk. That said, he’s an arrogant punk. A very talented arrogant punk but a punk none the less. I swear, you Pats fans will defend anyone at any cost even if it means not reading what people say.

  64. “Edelman threw the ball at the Colts logo”

    That was awesome, Blount’s too. Nothing better than jamming it right into the logo to make the locals cry. No way to stop it. That’s just the way Indy plays, shame on them.

  65. That was crazy. Who’d have believed the Colts would essentially OUTPLAY the Pat’s in the majority of that game, were it not for the recovery given to the Pat’s and 7 points.

    And still, Indy found a way to hand NE a win. Unreal.

    I was surprised as anyone to see Gronk without a single catch in the entire first half. What did he have 2 catches the entire game?

  66. bazookajoeflacco says:
    Oct 19, 2015 11:06 AM

    Pagano- When you get fired, please come back and coach this pathetic Ravens defense. Since you left Dean Pees has done nothing but destroy our legacy of being a hard nosed defense.
    —————————

    It didn’t help that the defense lost their “killer” instinct when Ray Lewis left.

  67. I’m surprised Julian Edelman said anything at all less than neutral about the Colts. That is very unusual, Coach Belichick punished Wes Welker for poking fun of Coach Ryan a few years ago. I have not heard a Patriot say anything negative about another team in 15 years. Very unusual indeed.

  68. romophobic says:
    Oct 19, 2015 12:40 PM

    All of you Edelmen defenders…. Yes, the guy is ridiculously talented and is probably the heart of that offense, even more than Donk. That said, he’s an arrogant punk. A very talented arrogant punk but a punk none the less. I swear, you Pats fans will defend anyone at any cost even if it means not reading what people

    stop it, you’d love him if he was on your team

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