Effort coming to force public vote on St. Louis stadium

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As St. Louis tries to build a new stadium in order to keep the Rams from moving to Los Angeles, an effort to force a public vote will soon begin. Which would as a practical matter derail the effort to build a new stadium in St. Louis.

Via David Hunn of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, several Aldermen will introduce a bill on Friday that would require a vote before $150 million in city funds would be devoted to a proposed $1 billion stadium (which undoubtedly will cost a lot more than that, but they’ll worry about that later, when it’s too late to turn back).

“There’s really a lot of outrage,” said Alderman Meg Green, one of the supporters of the bill. “I know this is probably not what the mayor’s office wants.”

Indeed it’s not. Mayor Francis Slay’s office says a public vote will keep a stadium from being built — which will guarantee a departure by the Rams.

The co-chair of the task force charged with coming up with a stadium plan said he welcomes a public vote. As long as it’s done quickly.

“[A]nything pushing City approval past late November puts this project and retaining our team at risk,” Dave Peacock told Hunn.

It’s unlikely that a citywide vote could be accomplished in that kind of a time frame. Which means that, regardless of whether the citizens of St. Louis would approve the expenditure of $150 million in city funds for a stadium primarily to be used by a man whose billions are equaled or exceeded by his wife’s billions, any plan for a public vote would be relevant not to keeping the Rams but luring another team away from another city.

You know, like the way St. Louis lured the Rams away from Los Angeles in the first place.

29 responses to “Effort coming to force public vote on St. Louis stadium

  1. This is such a joke how the NFL is making these cities jump through hoops.Knowing full well they have no intention of letting the Rams stay in St Louis.

  2. The only way this crap is ever going to stop is if every city – those with a sports team and those without one – unites and testifies under oath that not one cent of public money will be given to help the billionaires get a free stadium. ANYWHERE.

    And frankly, it is shocking to me to see uber-liberal cities like St. Louis and Los Angeles falling all over themselves to pledge hundreds of millions of dollars in free handouts to these bozos. I thought liberals wanted to take money from billionaires and give it to working-class people, not the other way around.

  3. Why do multi billionaires need millions of dollars from the public trough, when the vast majority of same, would never be able to attend the new venue, after it is erected !. Is there no end to greed ?…..I guess not !

  4. The NFL isn’t making St Louis do anything. They are all posturing for votes – some for the stadium, some against it.

  5. I love my football team – I am down with paying more taxes to keep them around if ever need be. These owners are bringing fans to the city and they spend money on a lot more than the football game. If anyone should get big tax breaks it should be a company that brings in millions of tourists / fans to boost an economy.

  6. Think about this:
    An NFL owner pays for and builds his own stadium, which brings in tens of millions of dollars every year.

    At what point do the people of that city, having been indoctrinated by the politicians (liberal) and the media (liberal) that it is not “fair” that the NFL owner reaps such profits from the aforementioned stadium and does not share with the community.

    The NFL owner pays property taxes and collects sales taxes on behalf of the city/county/state feds, any profit derived from the stadium is his alone. After all he has to pay his own taxes, stadium employees, insurance, etc. that’s a lot of overhead.

    The community has ZERO stake in the stadium so WHY should they be able to lay claim to profits from that stadium? The answer is clear – they have NO claim whatsoever.

    So those who advocate for privately owned stadiums, beware what you wish for.

  7. Cut out the phony outrage. Do you realize the garbage your public money goes to every single day? The way cities spend public money is appalling.

    One of the only tangible things I can see and care about which my money goes to is my NFL team, Im glad we have a stadium on the way.

    Do you realize that retired teachers make more per year after they retire than when they are actually working? Teachers in underperforming public schools make more per year than people with good track records in the private sector who are responsible for their own retirement(IRA, 401ks) Collective bargaining of Entitlement reform is the REAL source of outrage, at least a Stadium and NFL team generate tax dollars which make it fiscally sustainable(and potentially turn a profit if they lead to development around the Stadium and growth of the media market).

    Ever since about 2010, people just jump on these phony outrage bandwagons and it ticks me off because nobody has any idea how anything actually works or the ramifications for their idiocy.

  8. You mean to tell me – this is rhetorical, that the city never had something in place from day one preventing by law a team from leaving?
    In minny they had a ten year stadium agreement for the Vikes. They were stuck no matter what from leaving but finally got what they wanted a new stadium. Lucky for them the Wilfs didn’t really want to leave or they could have gone as well.

    You just never know if the owners are really just screwing around again hoping for the deal of the century or are hell bent to get out of dodge?

  9. The owners all want an even playing field. If owner X gets help from the city/state, owner Y has to have the same or you can’t compete.
    Jerry J was the exception but you bet your boots he got a deal with the NFL and others that major events like the college playoffs etc would be held in Dallas so he could recoup his money.
    You won’t see any major bowl games being played in Minny.

  10. if fans in these cities would show up at games and root for the home team, the team wouldn’t look to leave.

    Blame the FANS in these cities, not the NFL owners.

  11. “You know, like the way St. Louis lured the Rams away from Los Angeles in the first place.”

    St Louis didn’t ‘lure’ the Rams away from LA; the teams’ owner/hooker/trollop Georgia Frontiere moved Rams to her hometown after she inherited the team from her late (and 5th) husband Carroll Rosenbloom died.

    Enough with this nonsense! Let the Rams return to LA where they rightfully belong!

  12. “Mayor Francis Slay’s office says a public vote will keep a stadium from being built”

    Think about that for a minute. Mayor Slay (D) is supposed to represent his constituents, yet he is afraid to allow the people to vote on how their money (not his) is spent. He is another elitist who is out of touch and doesn’t listen to the voters.

  13. And to think. All St Louis had to do was follow through on their promised dome upgrades and none of this would even be an issue. They tried the cheapskate route and it backfired.

  14. Good idea, prove your point by telling everybody what low down scum, unethical monsters teachers are. You work ten to twelve hours a day in the business world you get rewarded. Teachers do that all of the time and get their standard pay for it.

  15. dryzzt23 says:
    Oct 22, 2015 10:36 AM
    if fans in these cities would show up at games and root for the home team, the team wouldn’t look to leave.

    Blame the FANS in these cities, not the NFL owners.

    Yes! It’s about time someone else said it. Be sure to check the crowd shots during this Cleveland game on Sunday for all the empty seats, despite a team who isn’t that bad and could challenge for a playoff spot. If fans want to cite lack of commitment to the city from the team, then stop trying to get a stadium built to keep a team no one wants to go watch.

  16. You realize that Stan Kronke was part of moving the Rams from LA to STL in the 90’s right? And you really believe that the task force didn’t expect the small contingent of Alderman to try and block the stadium, they won in court and they will win the city dollars- watch. Most of you don’t even know the nuts and bolts of this saga.

  17. St. Loius fans have been very supportive of the Rams since day one! Consistent sell outs for the first ten years. Only when the team had historically the worst decade of wins and loses, did some attendence waned. Still through all those lean years, attendence was at a 85% clip. Living in Kansas City, with the die hard fans the Chiefs had, empty seats were seen when Chiefs dipped to 2-14.

    Add the fact that Kroenke has not spoken to the city, the state, the fans or anyone for four years and counting…think fan support in St. Louis is very good. One of the few cities willing to build a second new stadium in roughly 20 years.

    Go St. Louis Rams!

  18. jgedgar70 says:
    Oct 22, 2015 9:31 AM
    The only way this crap is ever going to stop is if every city – those with a sports team and those without one – unites and testifies under oath that not one cent of public money will be given to help the billionaires get a free stadium. ANYWHERE.

    And frankly, it is shocking to me to see uber-liberal cities like St. Louis and Los Angeles falling all over themselves to pledge hundreds of millions of dollars in free handouts to these bozos. I thought liberals wanted to take money from billionaires and give it to working-class people, not the other way around.

    The City of LA has nothing to do with this, zero tax dollars are going to Stan to build his stadium in Inglewood – St Louis, another story a city of 320K with 2 pro football stadiums?

  19. The favorable financing bill will be introduce to the Board of Aldermen by next Friday and will be approved shortly. Just another box checked by the St. Louis Stadium Task Force. St. Louis Rams will stay home where they belong. NFL will not pass on a workable stadium by the home city. Would create alarming precedence if they do. Go St. Louis Rams!

  20. Georgia Frontiere won a Super Bowl, what is Stan’s record? I will tell you what it is, 31-53-1. Horrible record, owner that alienates fan base, threat of move since he took over in 2010, wont talke to fans or media and it is the fans fault?

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