NFL files appeal brief, says Brady “participated in a scheme to deflate game balls”

AP

If the #DeflateGate controversy has placed a chip on the shoulder of Patriots quarterback Tom Brady, the chip has just gotten a lot bigger.

On the first page of the first written brief submitted by the NFL to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit, the NFL states that Commissioner Roger Goodell suspended Brady for four games “after finding that Brady had participated in a scheme to deflate game balls to be used in a conference championship game.”

“The scheme was aimed at gaining an unfair competitive advantage on the field,” the NFL contends, “and it was devised to avoid detection by game officials. It struck at the heart of the game’s integrity and the public’s confidence in the NFL’s on-field product.”

The rest of the 59-page brief, aimed at overturning the ruling of Judge Richard M. Bermanm echoes many of the arguments made and conclusions reached by the NFL through various levels and types of proceedings. The NFL still believes Brady cheated; if anything, the statements have become more brazen over time, with Brady’s alleged “general awareness” of a scheme to deflate footballs now evolving into a contention of actual participation in the scheme during the AFC title game, absent any clear evidence that Brady either knew about or actually become directly involved in any such scheme, at any time.

At page 10, the NFL’s brief declares that Jim McNally “snuck the balls into a bathroom, where he proceeded to deflate their pressure.” Apart from whether there was any actual “sneaking” (given the presence of, you know, a surveillance camera and McNally’s toting of a large bag of balls into the bathroom without trying to stuff it into his pants or jacket), the evidence remains inconclusive at best that McNally removed air from the balls. If he had, the combined effect of removing air plus the operation of the Ideal Gas Law would have resulted in PSI readings dramatically lower than the readings generated at halftime by a pair of wildly inconsistent air-pressure gauges.

That very point has been lost on the NFL from the moment this controversy first emerged, and it’s still lost on the NFL today. Which could be one of the main reasons why the NFL lost in court — and one of the main reasons why it could lose on appeal.

227 responses to “NFL files appeal brief, says Brady “participated in a scheme to deflate game balls”

  1. The NFL suffers from a masochistic personality disorder.
    There can be no other explanation for this self inflicted punishment.

  2. They are going to need to make up another MVP for the Super Bowl this year or else Goodell is going to have to just leave the trophy on the table.

  3. NFL, can you please explain the following info from your Wells Report:

    1. “The Ideal Gas Law predicts that the Patriots balls should have measured between 11.52 and 11.32 psi at the end of the first half” (Page 113)

    2. “Anderson’s best recollection is that he used the Logo Gauge” (Page 52) and with that gauge, the average measurement of the eleven Patriot footballs was 11.49 psi (Page 8)

    Not only is that within the expected range, it is on the high end. So filtering out all the other irrelevant and misleading info, the Wells Report itself proves that there was no deflation.

  4. So other than dialing up the rhetoric all the league has is the same sack of lies and half truths that got them de-panted in the first place? Making the point of the appeal, other than not looking like they are caving,…what exactly? It’s would be comic if it were not so pathetic

  5. I don’t like the Pats, but seems like the other owners think the only way they can beat them is by suspending Brady. It’s petty and the NFL needs to move on.

  6. This is nothing that the general public already knew. The patriots cheated. The last 2 SB winners either got caught cheating or admitted to cheating.

    Cheaters never win… Except in the nfl and wwe.

  7. The NFL’s attorney completely lost it in this briefing.

    * They basically said the CBA allows Goodell to decide whatever he wants and the Court has NO RIGHT to get involved.

    * They basically said Judge Berman had NO RIGHT to say the NFL dispensed their own brand of industrial justice and admonished him for saying that. (Not wise to attack a respected Judge in this manner)

    * They continue to make the giant leap from “Generally Aware” to “Conspired Scheme” WITHOUT ANY additional information or facts. A giant leap indeed.

    This briefing appears to be very much a complete act of desperation by the NFL.

  8. I thought he as suspended because he destroyed his cell phone, doesn’t matter, take the pats to cover against Miami Brady is gonna be out for blood

  9. Every time the NFL or its advocates create a document on this subject, they make a stronger claim on TB’s involvement than they did in prior documents.

  10. They remind me of when my kids used to get caught lying. They thought if they just repeated the lie enough, I would change my mind. They don’t try that anymore.

  11. So many whiners from other teams that Brady has outright embarrassed and beaten to a pulp. Suck it up boys (and girls), he’ll be around for another ten years.

  12. Good, it’s about time the NFL stands it’s ground against the culture of cheating that permeates the New England Patriots franchise.

    My deepest concern are the scandals and scams we’re not aware of yet.
    This team has shown time and time again that they will stoop to any lengths to cut and even eliminate corners to achieve their goals.

    Sad. I for one would rather cheer on a team that wins with honor.
    Judging by most of the responses on here winning is the only thing that matters. Period.
    Sad indeed.

  13. The NFL is doing this as a Hail Mary attempt to get their judge-jury-executioner “right” over the NFLPA that the Judge took away from them.

    Nothing more.

    Nothing less.

  14. The mishandling of controversies (Rice, Hardy, AP, Brady) by Goodell and the poor officiating overseen by Goodell and Blandino combine to erode my interest in the NFL.

  15. It’s a shame. But I don’t blame Brady for trying. I don’t know Brady’s motivations, but I would guess that there’s a lot of pressure in his relationship with his super famous wife. Hard to judge if you haven’t walked in his shoes. I’m still a Brady fan. Brady is a super accurate precision passer. The cold, wet, rainy weather that day, would have put his team at a disadvantage. A little better grip on the wet football would give his team a better chance. The Patriots were fined and lost a first round pick, but the super bowl trophy is in the case. I’d say it was worth it.

  16. The lunacy that is Goodell’s NFL is just heaping tens of millions of dollars onto the award Brady will win in a defamation lawsuit.

  17. The timing of this distraction is interesting, given the Patriots have a short week and play on Thursday. But, of course, the filing couldn’t wait until Friday. Oh well, Goodell’s sleazy tricks didn’t stop the Patriots from winning the Super Bowl, and they won’t stop the Patriots from beating the Dolphins.

  18. What – is this thing still going on? For the love of God, can someone tell the NFL to give it up, already?

  19. The ideal gas law applies to perfect gasses. Perfect as in follows all laws considered in the applicable laws that are used to determine the equation for the “ideal gas law”. The air we breathe is not A gas but a mixture of gasses and thereby in no way qualifies as a perfect gas making the “ideal gas law” inaccurate for these discussions. Those are facts. Don’t let the facts keep you from parroting fancy terms that simply don’t apply.

  20. I love the bit of about the bathroom, it’s been hilarious the whole time, like it’s something sinister. If you were the equipment manager, and you were about to go out on the field to have to deal with it all during the game without a break and no facilities available to you for something like 2 hours, how many times (after two cups of coffee in the morning) would you go out there without emptying your bladder beforehand before it became an absolute part of your routine?

    You have the precious game balls in your bag, they are in your charge — would you leave them out in the hallway, or take with you inside?

    This is not only an “alternative explanation” or alibi, it’s the intelligent and responsible way to go about discharging your duties — and urine. How does the bathroom business become part of the conspiracy to cheat?

    The inmates truly are running the asylum.

  21. I’m so sick and tired of this… NFL, just drop it already! I’m pretty sure Toms balls have been checked for proper inflation this year. Whether that’s by an official, or Giselle, and honestly, look at the way he is playing! I’m sorry, but the deflated balls game is getting old! Just drop it and move on! Because whether they were a pound less or a pound more on air, I sure don’t think it matters. Toms playing lights out……AGAIN!

  22. Can someone please explain how Mcnally’s and others text messages and conversations basically straight up not only implying but revealing that Brady and Co. Were a part of this is somehow just continuously disregarded and not considered to be any “actual evidence” or at least worth looking into a little more?…….

  23. vancouversportsbro says:
    Brady is guilty. Only reason why he NFL keeps going after him. They would rest their case if he was their golden boy.
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    What utter nonsense. This has nothing to do with guilt, it never did. This was about the CBA and the league foolishly painted itself into a corner over it. That the mercenary shills at 345 Park Ave would love to be able to embrace him now that the face of the league Peyton is faltering and Brady is lights out is just sweet justice being served with a delicious side of irony

  24. scmems07 says:
    Oct 26, 2015 8:38 PM
    This is nothing that the general public already knew.
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    I’m still trying to figure out what this means.

  25. Doesn’t matter what they claim now, the only thing the court will look at is if what Berman did was within his right to do so. I think the NFL doesn’t realize that once they lose this appeal, it becomes law of shop and they will lose control over that part of the CBA. They will never be able to suspend a player for equipment violations or refusing to cooperate, ever.

  26. Noone understands why the league is filing things it knows it will lose.
    There is literally no way that anything the federal court said is overturned.
    NFL lawyers would be fired and on the street working for anyone else.

  27. The timing of this is perfect. The Patriots had a tight game, nothing like Goodell pissing off Brady to get the blowouts back on the schedule.

    We’d like to personally thank the buffoons at the NFL offices for inspiring this season.

  28. It’s all a hoax… Deflategate was a case the NFL knew they had no chance of winning. The appeal is another turn to make it look like the NFL isn’t part of the scandal. It gives them plausible deniability. The fact is the NFL has aided the Patriots at every turn from preferential schedules to preferential calls from referees. Fire Goodell have a real commish come in and ask why the original evidence from spygate was destroyed. Ask how the Pats were allowed to tamper with a player mid season (Blount) and never have a question asked. How have they basically lived on an offense of pick plays for over a decade how have they defied mathematic probability and have a win loss record at home that defies all logic? What they have done is not amazing it’s a statistical improbability.

  29. “The scheme was aimed at gaining an unfair competitive advantage on the field.” Yeah, if Brady had only known how MVP awesome he is with footballs inflated to 12.5 PSI instead of 12.1 PSI, he wouldn’t have bothered with his nefarious scheme to destroy the national pastime. The owners behind this witch hunt don’t have enough integrity to be ashamed of themselves, unfortunately. So we’ll just have to live with watching them all have ministrokes when Brady wins one for the thumb.

  30. Oh for the love of god NFL give it up. I hate the patriots but this is ridiculous. I’m waiting for the day the the NFL charges for air in the ball like seriously back down Rodger no one likes you anyway

  31. @rolf1015
    “NFL, can you please explain the following info from your Wells Report:

    1. “The Ideal Gas Law predicts that the Patriots balls should have measured between 11.52 and 11.32 psi at the end of the first half” (Page 113)

    2. “Anderson’s best recollection is that he used the Logo Gauge” (Page 52) and with that gauge, the average measurement of the eleven Patriot footballs was 11.49 psi (Page 8)”

    I would keep asking them that, until they had an answer.

  32. Yes! Perfect timing, thank you, Roger. Pats were running low on board material after that exhausting Jets win and a short week.

    The people most upset by the timing of this news have to be the Dolphins.

  33. Roger the score is brady 51 nfl 14. And you have the ball at the 20 with 1:00 left…just take a knee and this thing for everyones sake

  34. This is particularly hilarious with all the comments from Ravens trolls as their team gets pounded tonight and their season has just about made the final swirl down the toilet!

  35. It’s like the entire NFL has a concussion or something. What, did they forget how badly they got burned last time in court?

  36. vancouversportsbro says:
    Brady is guilty. Only reason why he NFL keeps going after him. They would rest their case if he was their golden boy.
    _______________

    What utter nonsense. This has nothing to do with guilt, it never did. This was about the CBA and the league foolishly painted itself into a corner over it. That the mercenary shills at 345 Park Ave would love to be able to embrace him now that the face of the league Peyton is faltering and Brady is lights out is just sweet justice being served with a delicious side of irony

  37. “and it was devised to avoid detection by game officials.”

    Well, no one would cook up a scheme that was devised to be caught, right?

  38. kgun80 says:
    Oct 26, 2015 9:12 PM
    It’s all a hoax… Deflategate was a case the NFL knew they had no chance of winning. The appeal is another turn to make it look like the NFL isn’t part of the scandal. It gives them plausible deniability. The fact is the NFL has aided the Patriots at every turn from preferential schedules to preferential calls from referees. Fire Goodell have a real commish come in and ask why the original evidence from spygate was destroyed. Ask how the Pats were allowed to tamper with a player mid season (Blount) and never have a question asked. How have they basically lived on an offense of pick plays for over a decade how have they defied mathematic probability and have a win loss record at home that defies all logic? What they have done is not amazing it’s a statistical improbability.
    _________________

    Did that theory come with the tin foil hat or does it have to be purchased separately?

  39. greenegggrillin says:
    Oct 26, 2015 8:39 PM
    I thought he as suspended because he destroyed his cell phone, doesn’t matter, take the pats to cover against Miami Brady is gonna be out for blood

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    He was told he never had to turn over his cell phone. That phone has lots and lots of private messages and texts from his wife etc that TMZ would pay tens of thousands of dollars or more to get it’s hands on, and UNDELETE the information. The phone was never the issue, but when they heard about it, in their desperation, they used it to try and spin public opinion. They know most people just don’t pay enough attention before they shoot their mouths off. Apparently it worked.

  40. Odd that the NFL would state at least two claims as fact in their appeal that they have, to this point, been unable to prove. Based on this document the NFL is going to take another well deserved beating in court.

  41. Thr NFL owners are it’s greatest liability going forward. I’m not sure what they feel they own other than some goofy logos and the rights to stadiums other people pay for? They are the driving force behind all of this. It should cost them.

  42. The office at 345 Park Avenue looks more. & more incompitant every day… & THAT is amaizing in itself considering how poorly it has looked & performed since the Ray Rice incident….CLUELESS is the word that first comes to mind…UTTERLY CLUELESS!!

  43. With Harbaugh and Pagano on the hot seat, it’s back to the G.O.A.T…..was wondering where goodell has been lately.

    Brady is going to be maaaaaadddddddd Thursday night…

  44. stoopidfool says:
    Oct 26, 2015 9:27 PM
    Meanwhile, Brady keeps winning

    Ravens are a mess
    Colts are a mess
    Cowboys are a mess

    Karma
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    You forgot to mention McNair’s Hard Knocks Texans are also a disaster, not to mention McNair withdrew a donation and won’t turn over his cell phone so we can all know the truth!

  45. There is no point to this the Patriots fans will say he didn’t cheat and the rest of the NFL world knows he did. The system is setup to not convict innocent individuals so people who are guilty get off all the time due to lack of evidence and whatnot. Take OJ Simpson for instance…

    None of that matters we all know the text and we all know that Brady did it …who cares? Just beat him

  46. That ginger pelt will look nice up on the mantle. Sit it right on top of the fifth Lombardi trophy, Tom. The one in the middle.

  47. boogerhut says:
    Oct 26, 2015 9:01 PM

    The ideal gas law applies to perfect gasses. Perfect as in follows all laws considered in the applicable laws that are used to determine the equation for the “ideal gas law”. The air we breathe is not A gas but a mixture of gasses and thereby in no way qualifies as a perfect gas making the “ideal gas law” inaccurate for these discussions. Those are facts. Don’t let the facts keep you from parroting fancy terms that simply don’t apply.
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    Why do my tires lose pressure starting in the Fall nights and then straight through Winter? Heck, the sticker in my door recommends the number PSI “IN COLD TEMPERATURES”. You telling me that the air pump uses a “perfect gas”? The NFL officials admitted they didn’t know of the ideal gas law when this whole mess started. THAT says everything you need to know about how this started.

  48. The whole bathroom thing is funny to me. The NFL claims that he could deflate 12 balls just enough to be illegal but not dectectable (it would take absolute precision to not have one slip up and take too much air out to make it noticeable) in 90 seconds. However, they didn’t have enough time to simply measure 24 balls during a 15 minute half time? They were only able to measure 4 Colts balls because of time constraints. BS. It’s a hell of a lot easier to simply measure a ball than to accurately deflate a ball to a specific number.

    But it doesn’t surprise me. The NFL has nothing else, so they cling to that.

  49. 6superbowls says:
    Oct 26, 2015 9:28 PM
    Sales reps for blinder companies gotta be making a killing in the northeast these days…
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    Might have been making a killing … until the Judge exposed the NFL’s lies. While some may think that Brady lied, everyone now KNOWS that the NFL did.

  50. I so look forward to these prime time games. I wonder what interesting quirk of the game the Patriots will show us, with such eloquent execution? Brilliant really. Simply brilliant, and so much fun to watch.

  51. Of course he was knowingly involved. The issue was the NFL over stepping their authority. The NFL doesn’t need to prove anything except intent to discredit the shield and they are within their rights to fine and or potentially suspend a player.

    Bradys not innocent just not proven to be guilty soooo many people don’t understand the difference it’s quite alarming actually.

    OJ was also “not guilty” but since his wife was murdered we have since learned of his character and what he’s capable of and it’s pretty clear his actions are NOT consistent with someone who is 100% innocent.

    But who cares the situation is over all parties come out with a black eye. Brady and BB are known cheaters and the NFL commissioner was played for being stupid. Nothing is going to change that perception but it’s definitely partly true..so let’s move on already..

  52. dabears12345 says:
    Oct 26, 2015 8:41 PM

    If Brady asked me, I would stick my needle in there and release some pressure
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    I pray to god you are talking about footballs.

  53. …and the jilted wife continued to seek her own justice after all reasonable avenues had been drained.
    WAKE TE HELL UP NFL !
    Let it go. Only bitter Indy fan even gives a remote damn about this anymore.
    Roger Goodell is a CLOWN.
    I hate New England only out of blind jealousy. Guess what. YOU dropped the ball on how the game balls are treated before kick off and New England may have taken advantage of it. THAT is a you problem Roger. You look like a crying little baby 8itch.
    I have one thought to say about “deflategate”.
    The gambling world doesn’t care and they don’t care then it’s a non issue.
    Give it up before you cause further embarassment to The Shield.
    Your really starting to look vindictive.

  54. Just stopped in to say I didn’t read a single word of the article above nor a single comment underneath it. I just don’t care about last year anymore. The balls are pumped up. It doesn’t matter anymore. He can grip the ball. He can throw the ball. They can catch, and hold on to the ball. The Patriots are 6-0.

  55. Dear Roger,

    Please take the money you’ll be spending on this stupidity and give it to breast cancer research in honor of it being October it will be much better spent and may, (may) even help your image, not to mention the lives it could save!

    Thank You

  56. Could you blow up a balloon on a chilly day (I am assuming the studio is in a place that will soon be getting them) and then take it outside? It’s the same thing. The same thing. Pressure, when volume is constant, will go in the same direction as temperature. It is an easy easy demo. You could do it with a football, you could do it with a balloon, or you could do it with a calculator. Maybe all three. You won’t need a gauge, just a squeeze. You also won’t need to wait the duration of one half of a pro football game. Ten minutes ought to suffice.

  57. NFL: Brady scheme “was aimed at gaining an unfair competitive advantage on the field & it was devised to avoid detection by game officials”

    NFL: “Although Brady refused to cooperate fully with Wells investigation, significant evidence linked him to the deflation scheme”

    NFL: “Text msgs b/w Jastremski & McNally indicate that the two had been deflating game balls at TB’s request LONG BEFORE the AFC Champ Game”

    NFL: “The investigation also revealed how unlikely it was that Jastremski & McNally would have been deflating game balls w/o TB’s consent”

    NFL: “Although he professed ignorance . . ., Brady’s preference for deflated footballs had been a matter of public knowledge for years”

    NFL: Goodell disciplined Brady for his involvement in a “deliberate scheme” to deflate game balls and “conscious effort to destroy evidence”

    DEVASTATING!!!!

    And BTW, the “Ideal Gas Law” is just a hypothetical approximation. It is about as reliable as psychic reading.

  58. It struck at the heart of the game’s integrity and the public’s confidence in the NFL’s on-field product.”

    hey goodell, point your laser like percetion at the main reason the nfl is crap..your golden boy referees

  59. Anyone who demands or thinks it’s right for any individual to be required to turn over private property to anyone , including an employer, if you’d be so kind as to get the hell out of the US, we’d be grateful.

  60. 59 page “brief”… Get over yourself, NFL. Everything Tom Brady is doing this year refutes the “advantage” gained by “deflated” balls.

  61. cuns2317 says:
    Oct 26, 2015 8:59 PM

    Anyone who is not a patriot fan think he actually didn’t cheat?
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    Anyone, Patriots fan or not, with any sense knows that Brady didn’t cheat.

  62. kgun80 says:
    Oct 26, 2015 9:12 PM

    Ask how the Pats were allowed to tamper with a player mid season (Blount)
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    Don’t let the facts get in the way . . . Blount cleared waivers after PIT released him. If any team had wanted him, all they had to do was claim him.

  63. Its a well known fact that HARVARD university passed the Ideal Gas Law in response to these allegations that the NFL devised against Tom Brady. The NFL owners have cameras in every bathroom in the USA… You telling me they don’t have film showing McNally taking a “leak”? The NFL has Brady by the numbers and passing gas laws after the fact won’t change the fact he’s guilty of something. The NFL is covering this whole thing up by prosecuting him knowing that Havard would pass the Gas Law. This is all for show and you patridiot haters are all eating the Kool Aid. I just laugh sometimes at this kind of thing. There is no justice for the wicked anymore.

  64. Just proves that the idiot in front – Goodell- has more idiots than we realized behind him – owners

    Can we say Colts, Ravens, Giants, Cowboys . . . .

  65. dispozblcopy says:
    Oct 26, 2015 9:02 PM
    I love the bit of about the bathroom, it’s been hilarious the whole time, like it’s something sinister. If you were the equipment manager, and you were about to go out on the field to have to deal with it all during the game without a break and no facilities available to you for something like 2 hours, how many times (after two cups of coffee in the morning) would you go out there without emptying your bladder beforehand before it became an absolute part of your routine?

    You have the precious game balls in your bag, they are in your charge — would you leave them out in the hallway, or take with you inside?

    This is not only an “alternative explanation” or alibi, it’s the intelligent and responsible way to go about discharging your duties — and urine. How does the bathroom business become part of the conspiracy to cheat?

    The inmates truly are running the asylum.

    Wouldn’t you choose a room with a toilet then or do you just open a door and let’er rip? Oh yeah, inconvenient fact… no toilet.

  66. boogerhut says:
    Oct 26, 2015 9:01 PM

    The ideal gas law applies to perfect gasses. Perfect as in follows all laws considered in the applicable laws that are used to determine the equation for the “ideal gas law”. The air we breathe is not A gas but a mixture of gasses and thereby in no way qualifies as a perfect gas making the “ideal gas law” inaccurate for these discussions. Those are facts. Don’t let the facts keep you from parroting fancy terms that simply don’t apply.
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    Cold temperatures makes air contract, and hot temperatures make air expand. The same thing that goes on in your tires goes on in a football.

    That is an inescapable fact of physics, and that is all you need to know.

  67. Ahhh, nothing like the smell of venomous and self-ritgeous NE fans in the fall . . . it means Christmas is almost here!

  68. boogerhut says:
    Oct 26, 2015 9:01 PM
    The ideal gas law applies to perfect gasses. Perfect as in follows all laws considered in the applicable laws that are used to determine the equation for the “ideal gas law”. The air we breathe is not A gas but a mixture of gasses and thereby in no way qualifies as a perfect gas making the “ideal gas law” inaccurate for these discussions. Those are facts. Don’t let the facts keep you from parroting fancy terms that simply don’t apply.

    _____
    Those are pretty fancy words coming from a guy named “boogerhut”

  69. Florio, every time you use the term ‘Ideal Gas Law’, it discredits the rest of your statement. It proves you either don’t understand or are trying to push an agenda. My guess is the second, since you strike me as a relatively smart individual who pushes agendas often.

  70. sak3845 says:
    Oct 26, 2015 10:10 PM

    Its a well known fact that HARVARD university passed the Ideal Gas Law in response to these allegations that the NFL devised against Tom Brady. The NFL owners have cameras in every bathroom in the USA… You telling me they don’t have film showing McNally taking a “leak”? The NFL has Brady by the numbers and passing gas laws after the fact won’t change the fact he’s guilty of something. The NFL is covering this whole thing up by prosecuting him knowing that Havard would pass the Gas Law. This is all for show and you patridiot haters are all eating the Kool Aid. I just laugh sometimes at this kind of thing. There is no justice for the wicked anymore.
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    I can’t tell if you are serious or not.

  71. Tom Brady plays quarterback for the New England Patriots. You telling me it’s just coincidence this is coming out now when The NFL is trying to put a team in “old” England? They are still fighting the revolutionary war over there. Talk about patriot haters, they grow like vines in that country. England uses the metric system so there are no gauges that will read PSI, so conveniently when they get their team back and Brady is forced to move to London all these arguments will play too early in the morning to mean anything. Brady wearing a Union Jack on his helmet isn’t the worst thing that could come of this whole fiasco, but it certainly ranks in the top 7.

  72. Also, goodell is going to be on Mike and Mike tomorrow. This ought to be good. He was caught lying on national tv the last time He was on. What is he going to say tomorrow?

  73. Today’s news is actually pretty good. Because its the beginning of the end days that Goodell will have primary control of the agenda and in that capacity, based on his narcissistic resolve, will be one of the last days he will be able to insist the spotlight only shines on him.

    Goodell is clearly a Narcissist. There is no other explanation for why he continues to play against Kessler in Kessler’s home field playing Kessler’s game. Keep in mind that while modest, Kessler is no respecter of mere authority. He is about to ravage Goodell’s psyche again, and again and again. Sadly, Goodell likes the punishment. But only because he is a sick man.

    Goodell was psychologically hurt when he was young when his father lost his bid for election to the US Senate. He was scarred by that because his father lost as a result of the Nixon political machine, the same party his father belonged to, wanting him out. His father stood up to the Nixon policies at a time when that was a grave error to do so. But his father did it anyway because he felt it was the right thing to do. And didn’t regret doing it. And accepted the loss as a part of the cost of doing what’s right. But that was Charles Goodell. Roger Goodell never accepted that lesson. And probably made a vow that he would never relinquish authority once he acquired it.
    Fast forward 40+ years and here we are. On the brink of a much bigger defeat for Goodell. Because Kessler is not Nixon. And he is not going to attack Goodell for insubordination. Kessler will attack him for abuse of power and how he abused his authority to accomplish his own agenda. And now all the proofs are in and today the process starts. Goodell is finished.

    Funny isn’t it? Goodell’s end will be similar to Nixon’s, the one man in history I would bet Goodell despises most. And for the very same reason that Nixon had to resign, abuse of power. I wonder whether Goodell will also leave saying to the press, “Well you won’t have Goodell to kick around anymore.”

    Folks, Goodell is a sick, sick man and a danger to himself. I know that most of us feel he has negatively impacted the integrity of the game as well as its enjoyment, but Goodell’s sickness warrants a different perspective. Rather than asking for him to be fired because he deserves to be, because he has destroyed the integrity of the shield, because he has reduced the enjoyment of the game, because he has focused every single NFL owned camera on himself, we must insist that he be fired because he is sick and needs medical care. That must be first and foremost. But at the same time, we must acknowledge that just as any disease affects many many cells and organs in the body while ravaging it, so has Goodell ravaged many offices within the NFL. So in the same way as is done when curing the body of a disease, so too must all the NFL offices be purged of Goodell’s minions. And it must start now. Or we will be reading about this nonsense for years into the future. And nobody wants that.

  74. kgun80 says:
    Oct 26, 2015 9:12 PM
    It’s all a hoax… Deflategate was a case the NFL knew they had no chance of winning. The appeal is another turn to make it look like the NFL isn’t part of the scandal. It gives them plausible deniability. The fact is the NFL has aided the Patriots at every turn from preferential schedules to preferential calls from referees. Fire Goodell have a real commish come in and ask why the original evidence from spygate was destroyed. Ask how the Pats were allowed to tamper with a player mid season (Blount) and never have a question asked. How have they basically lived on an offense of pick plays for over a decade how have they defied mathematic probability and have a win loss record at home that defies all logic? What they have done is not amazing it’s a statistical improbability.

    ____

    Your grapes are very sour.

  75. seahawkboymike says:
    Oct 26, 2015 10:05 PM

    NFL: Brady scheme “was aimed at gaining an unfair competitive advantage on the field & it was devised to avoid detection by game officials”

    NFL: “Although Brady refused to cooperate fully with Wells investigation, significant evidence linked him to the deflation scheme”

    NFL: “Text msgs b/w Jastremski & McNally indicate that the two had been deflating game balls at TB’s request LONG BEFORE the AFC Champ Game”

    NFL: “The investigation also revealed how unlikely it was that Jastremski & McNally would have been deflating game balls w/o TB’s consent”

    NFL: “Although he professed ignorance . . ., Brady’s preference for deflated footballs had been a matter of public knowledge for years”

    NFL: Goodell disciplined Brady for his involvement in a “deliberate scheme” to deflate game balls and “conscious effort to destroy evidence”

    DEVASTATING!!!!

    And BTW, the “Ideal Gas Law” is just a hypothetical approximation. It is about as reliable as psychic reading.
    ——————————————-

    Lawl. Your team lost fair and square. Get over it already.

    And read a physics book or something. I am tired of you displaying your ignorance about science.

  76. seahawkboymike says:
    Oct 26, 2015 10:05 PM

    NFL: Brady scheme “was aimed at gaining an unfair competitive advantage on the field & it was devised to avoid detection by game officials”

    NFL: “Although Brady refused to cooperate fully with Wells investigation, significant evidence linked him to the deflation scheme”

    NFL: “Text msgs b/w Jastremski & McNally indicate that the two had been deflating game balls at TB’s request LONG BEFORE the AFC Champ Game”

    NFL: “The investigation also revealed how unlikely it was that Jastremski & McNally would have been deflating game balls w/o TB’s consent”

    NFL: “Although he professed ignorance . . ., Brady’s preference for deflated footballs had been a matter of public knowledge for years”

    NFL: Goodell disciplined Brady for his involvement in a “deliberate scheme” to deflate game balls and “conscious effort to destroy evidence”

    DEVASTATING!!!!

    And BTW, the “Ideal Gas Law” is just a hypothetical approximation. It is about as reliable as psychic reading.
    ——

    I think someone is still a wee bit mad at the final play of 49…

  77. As stated above, one key point the NFL keeps ignoring is that the Wells report’s own figures, combined with Anderson’s recollection of which gauge he used, proves no deflation.

    The other key thing they ignore is what Berman said to them in court, that after all the Pats’ balls were specifically repressured to NFL’s exact liking at the AFCCG half-time, Brady actually did better. And they’ve already admitted to Berman that they had no evidence of a scheme (they just repeated their suspicions). Not even Wells claimed any scheme. Carrying on is just crazy.

  78. Everyone outside of NE knows the Patriots have cheated for years, the ideal gas law does not apply in any way, shape or form. There are too many unknown variables to even apply it in this instance, to imply otherwise is ridiculous. It is clear that the Patriots cheated, the evidence, while all circumstantial, is ample….

  79. But who cares the situation is over all parties come out with a black eye. Brady and BB are known cheaters and the NFL commissioner was played for being stupid. Nothing is going to change that perception but it’s definitely partly true..so let’s move on already..
    ————————————-
    But here you are, commenting on a Story about a team you don’t care about, and how they are proven cheats (other than wronglocationgate, I’m gonna need to see some actual proof), despite any actual evidence. And yet the most scrutinized QB, during the most scrutinized season(btw I want psi testing results) despite all this nonsense (along with his team) is undefeated and on his way to breaking passing yards record for a single season…what’s the BS excuse this time?!? Don’t even utter the pick play nonsense, you’ll put yourself as an uniformed hack. What else?!? Could Occam’s Razor be right, and this guy is 100% legit….nah cuz he’s not your QB!

  80. There’s been something missing from this since day 1. And that is the FACT thar pregame PSI measurements (if there were actually any taken) were NEVER EVER recorded. It is impossible to determine if any deflation actually occured without knowing the starting and ending PSIs. But let’s not let facts get in the way. There is no case here.

    Also… Let’s not forget the FACT that 3 of the 4 colts balls were below on one of that gauges. Why did they not test all 12?

    Also… Why does the Wells report dismiss Walt Andersons statements on which gauge was used for testing?

    Also… On a comical note, does anyone really think the McNally guy could pull 12 balls out of a bag, pull 1 PSI out of each ball, and get them back in a bag in the span of 60 seconds? Hell… LeAve Em’ in the bag and try to make it work. That’s 5 seconds a ball. No way.

  81. The ruling wasn’t that Brady didn’t run a deflation scheme. The ruling was that the NFL didn’t have the power to suspend him for destroying the evidence.

    Brady destroyed the very thing that could have easily exonerated him. And he destroyed it on the very same day that he was being called in for questioning.

    Brady saying that he regularly destroys is old phones was also proved to be a lie, as the phone Brady had used prior to November 6, 2014 hadn’t even been destroyed.

    Only the phone the NFL wanted to see, only the phone that could have exonerated Brady of all wrongdoing was destroyed.

    Coincidence?

  82. How many bites of the apple do you want Roger? Beyond ridiculous. The smart play would have been to let the story die, instead the NFL and Roger keep reminding us of how flawed the investigation was and that it was a witch hunt from the jump. Look at the posts, 90% are greater are not buying what the NFL is selling and we are not Pats fans.

  83. allidoiswin55 says:
    Oct 26, 2015 9:51 PM
    Of course he was knowingly involved. The issue was the NFL over stepping their authority. The NFL doesn’t need to prove anything except intent to discredit the shield and they are within their rights to fine and or potentially suspend a player.

    Bradys not innocent just not proven to be guilty soooo many people don’t understand the difference it’s quite alarming actually.
    ______________

    Knowingly involved in what exactly? There is no credible evidence that anything happened to be involved in. Having based their case on a since debunked assumption that something did happen the NFL was forced to admit in open court that there was no actual evidence.

    As there is no evidence anything actually occurred to be guilty of it is a circular argument to say he isn’t innocent but rather ‘was not proven to be guilty’ as by definition if no wrongdoing occurred Brady is inherently innocent.

    What is truly alarming is that “soooo many people don’t understand” that while they can’t even prove ANYTHING happened the NFL contends Brady, Jastremski and McNally all conspired and lied. Yet the fact remains the transcripts show the only proven liars are Goodell and his henchmen. That is now actually a matter of public record and yet they are all still employed and still drawing attention to it. Amazing

  84. “… the ideal gas law does not apply in any way, shape or form. There are too many unknown variables to even apply it in this instance, to imply otherwise is ridiculous.”
    ———–
    The Haters (you know who you are) should do themselves a favor and avoid claiming that the Ideal Gas Law doesn’t apply. They’d look a lot less stupid.

  85. Judge Berman asks the NFL: Do you have any evidence, any proof, facts , anything???? to back your claims that Brady was involved in or had any knowledge of what your claims allege?

    The NFL replies: uh,,,, er,,, no.

    So, the NFL and Roger have what?

    I wish Kraft had at least half the balls Al Davis did.

  86. boogerhut says:
    Oct 26, 2015 10:13 PM

    Wouldn’t you choose a room with a toilet then or do you just open a door and let’er rip? Oh yeah, inconvenient fact… no toilet.
    —————————-

    It was a bathroom. Of course there was a toilet.

  87. dha1287 says:
    Oct 26, 2015 10:56 PM

    NBC sports talk patriots favoritism.
    🙈🙉🙊
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    If you don’t like it, there’s always BSPN.

  88. dha1287 says:
    Oct 26, 2015 10:56 PM
    NBC sports talk patriots favoritism
    =========
    This comment is so terrible that my infant started crying when I saw it.

  89. My favorite ignorant hater line spewed by all those who get beat by the Patriots and have for years:

    “Everyone knows the Patriots cheat, so…”

    Oh, that’s how it works? You just know, well because you KNOW? Insane.

    Your main problem is, you just DON’T know, neither do I by the way, but you have an agenda. When there is no evidence, and you claim to just KNOW someone is guilty, that sets a dangerous precedent (hello, incompetent commissioner Roger) and why we have courts to fairly decide as best they can.

    They did that, and it’s over. Brady is still great. You still don’t like it. And he’s still pounding your lights out.

    Too bad–move on.

  90. The good things from the NFL. A) They keep reminding me why I hate Roger Goodell and what an evil conceited person he is. B) It seems more and more that fans outside of New England either are starting to realize 1) nothing happened (the truth), 2) feel if something did happen it was not near the infraction the NFL made it out to be (not true but better), 3) Feel it was awful but even after it all STILL feel Goodell is worse( at least partially right)

  91. – anyone notice the NFL isn’t releasing data in football psi?

    -anyone wonder why they said they would not be recording the data of every football at every game this year? If the numbers fell in line with the numbers during AFC game, NFL would be awful.

    -meanwhile… what are Brady’s stats from second half of AFC championship game until now… with properly inflated footballs?
    And the NFL STILL things he needed to deflate them?

  92. Martha Ford fired her offensive coordinator and a couple of OL coaches. Next up is the offensive commissioner.

  93. I guess the judges and pats fans ignore the fact that the employee who took the balls to the bathroom, which is against the rules, took them into the bathroom for 90 seconds and actually referred to himself as “THE DEFLATOR” and also talked about serving up watermelons to brady and some other dude saying “MR DEFLATOR” should get some good autographs or something to that affect wil be ignored.

    come on people. are we that stupid. why the nfl did not call these two equipment jokers to the stand is beyond me.

    can any rational patritots fan defend this guy referring to himself as “THE DEFLATOR”

    please explain that. i think that pretty much says it all

  94. Jeebus. Even those of us who hate the Patriots want this absurdity to end.
    I’m waiting for it to emerge that this has all been cooked up by Kraft and Goodell to keep the NFL in the news and to make Brady even more motivated.

  95. “Did robert kraft buy a piece of PFT?”
    ————————-

    Either that or it’s more profitable to be an outlet that gives Patriots fans what they want to hear.

  96. None of those points matter in an appeal. They are all irrelevant and probably put into the brief just to cause Brady problems again. The only thing that matters is if Judge Berman’s verdict was sound and he was not overstepping. The NFLs punishment was inconsistent with anything they had ever done for similar issues. The judgement was sound and the appeal will concur and this will be over. Right now the NFL with its escalating story of Brady’s involvement is bordering on slander.

  97. I am so glad this is back. The NFL absolutely sucks this year and this diverts my attention from all the over hyped, poorly played games.

  98. If the PSI is that important, NFL, please tell the public how many times you have tested the PSI of game balls during halftime at games this season.

    Oh? What’s that? You haven’t done any testing at all? Not once?

    Guess it’s not that important after all.

    I’m betting the Court of Appeals is going to reach the same conclusion.

  99. Tee hee 🙂

    Patriot Hater sure seems so ANGRY these days for some reason. I wonder why? 🙂

  100. Look at Patriot Hater thinking their team belongs on the field with US.

    Such delusion should get its own comedy show!

    🙂

  101. The NFL says that 90 seconds was enough time for one Patriots equipment manager to enter a bathroom, unload 12 footballs from a bag, deflate each one, put them all back in the bag and exit the bathroom.

    But four officials working together with a 12 minute halftime were only able to measure (not deflate, just measure) 4 of 12 Colts footballs before they ran out of time.

    And yet they still want you to believe it’s more likely that he was doing just that, rather than taking a leak before the start of the game.

    Madness.

  102. Any right minded, unbiased individual can make reasonable inferences based on the text messages reviewed. It’s clear as day.

    In the legal world, when one can not fight the facts, they fight the process.

    Brady was never cleared of cheating; though no one in New England seems to understand this.

    Judge Berman’s ruling merely asserted the the process was not followed correctly.

    That is where the nfl failed.

    But the reality is that the Patriots and Tom Brady individually had been deflating footballs to gain a competitive advantage for at least a year, if not longer.

    Dispute this all you’d like, but intelligent, rationale people see threw these sad excuses.

  103. So the NFL appeals and the 2nd court sends it back to the 1st court. Judge Berman has it in his hands again, do you think he’s going to change his mind?

  104. Brady beat Goodell’s beloved Jets yet again and now he’s trying desperately to distract Brady from this Thursday game. Like it worked during the SB.
    Goodell is just digging himself deeper into legal trouble. The basis of the case is what is written on the Well’s report and he still keeps on editing it. Berman already pointed out that aspect and he still changing the findings. The NFL already conceded that they did not have solid proof against Brady and now Brady participated in the scheme? The proof is the cherry-picked texts from before the season started and Brady’s rant against the ball boys for the 16 psi balls the referee let Brady use during the Jets(!) game. No evidence against Brady nor the ball boys about any scheme during the AFC game… that is the scope of the investigation. That one single day.
    Brady will win again.
    Brady cheated? According to the documented liar Roger Goodell. Waste more time and money to humor the egomaniac.
    Keep the insanity going till February Roger… It was satisfying to see you hand the Lombardi to the Patriots. Keep Brady in a rage… We Pats fans are secretly smiling. Yes!

  105. Goodell is a jerk. This witch hunt he’s been on against Brady and the Pats is pitiful.

    I am a Packers fan, so I have no dog in the fight. But I see a Commissioner who is trying to ruin the NFL by going after one of the game’s greatest players of all time.
    Even if it were true, it had absolutely no bearing what so ever on the outcome of the game in which this deflategate allegedly happened.

    Goodell is a moron who makes 40+ million dollars a year. It shows how stupid the owners are for paying him that much while he continually changes the game for the worst.

    I hope the appeals court tells Goodell to stuff it, just like the lower court judge told him.

  106. Goddell and the NFL will lose the AP appeal in the next month, then lose the Brady appeal next spring.

    Goddell in his zeal to screw the players and make up the rules as he goes will weaken the CBA with these two coming losses.

  107. mmack66 says:
    Oct 26, 2015 11:06 PM
    boogerhut says:
    Oct 26, 2015 10:13 PM

    Wouldn’t you choose a room with a toilet then or do you just open a door and let’er rip? Oh yeah, inconvenient fact… no toilet.
    —————————-

    It was a bathroom. Of course there was a toilet.

    Umm, no. Just because you parrot something incessantly doesn’t make it true. There was no toilet in the room.

  108. “Apart from whether there was any actual “sneaking” (given the presence of, you know, a surveillance camera and McNally’s toting of a large bag of balls into the bathroom without trying to stuff it into his pants or jacket)”

    ==========

    Ummm, what about him lying to NFL security about his movements until video revealed the truth?

  109. It`s so reassuring to know that some owners and Godell are willing to fuel Brady thru this season , hopefully it`ll keep Tommy inspired enough to keep trying to torch every team he plays ,,,just to make sure he get`s all those 19 teams who`s owners are insisting on bringing him down

  110. revelation123 says:
    Oct 26, 2015 10:53 PM
    The ruling wasn’t that Brady didn’t run a deflation scheme. The ruling was that the NFL didn’t have the power to suspend him for destroying the evidence.

    Brady destroyed the very thing that could have easily exonerated him. And he destroyed it on the very same day that he was being called in for questioning.

    Brady saying that he regularly destroys is old phones was also proved to be a lie, as the phone Brady had used prior to November 6, 2014 hadn’t even been destroyed.

    Only the phone the NFL wanted to see, only the phone that could have exonerated Brady of all wrongdoing was destroyed.

    Coincidence?
    —————————-
    Jeez, could anyone be more wrong! (Apart from Goodell of course):
    1) The ruling was that Goodell abused the right defined of him in the CBA to be a FAIR and REASONABLE arbitrator. But also, the NFL admitted in court it had no direct evidence of any scheme involving Brady. Hell, even the biased Wells-Pash report stopped shy of making that claim!
    2) At his appeal, Brady provided his phone records which his defence said proved that the NFL already had all the relevant texts, but the NFL refused to go through it. Coincidence?
    3) You are confusing “regularly” with “always”, and there’s no proof he destroyed the phone on the exact same day, and it doesn’t matter anyway because of point 2.

  111. greenegggrillin says:
    Oct 26, 2015 8:39 PM
    I thought he as suspended because he destroyed his cell phone, doesn’t matter, take the pats to cover against Miami Brady is gonna be out for blood
    ____________________________________
    Well, you see, they can’t technically suspend him for that. It’s private property, and since the NFL isn’t a law enforcement agency, they can’t demand he hand it over. So, what they did instead was say that since he didn’t cooperate completely (didn’t hand over his phone full of personal info after a series of leaks that could have only come from the league office), nothing he said could be believed. Since he couldn’t be believed, he must be guilty, despite a complete lack of evidence proving that Brady conspired to deflate balls…or that balls were even deflated. The CBA may empower the commissioner to oversee disciplinary procedures and appeals, but he is still required to follow both labor and contract law in doing so. Goodell clearly didn’t in this case.

    What the NFL is counting on with their appeal is the makeup of the appellate court. Specifically, they’re hoping that the more conservative appellate court will side with the major corporation over a union member. I don’t think they’re going to get what they want this time, however. Berman isn’t an ultra-liberal with a history of reaching to further a progressive agenda, nor did he base his decision on some vague loophole. On the contrary, Berman has a history of siding with the companies in similar cases, and his decision sights numerous flaws with the league’s procedure throughout the initial hearing and the appeal. I don’t think the appellate court will overturn the decision simply because it went against a major corporation. There may be more conservatives on the appellate court, but seeing as how they’ve risen that far in the legal system, I’d like to believe that they’re honest ones who put the law first.

  112. I`m thinking its all a mistake. The ref`s handed Brady overinflated footballs in Jets game ,,,that ref was probably supposed to be in Green Bay that week end . Then realizing he was at the Colts game said I better let air out of these footballs ,,, it`s not Aaron Rodgers playing…

  113. OK Roger, you want to appeal because your ego is bruised. Let’s do it your way. Now, if you lose this filing it show cost you something. Well actually ought to cost you a lot. Your job, you should be fined, the next CBA should remove the commissioner from power completely except for photo oops., and you show never be able to work again as an attorney. Roger you are an EXTREMELY petty man I think. Brady is going to own you if you don’t stop. Get over it and move on. This makes you look silly.

  114. 1st of all almost all the balls were less only .025 the legal limit. Have you ever tried to take air out of a ball at .025? It is impossible to do it.

  115. This court brief contradicts even their own “independent” Wells Report

    Just illustrating that Goodell and the owners see nothing wrong with openly lying under oath to our courts

  116. Accusing someone of sneaking into the bathroom and deflating footballs – when you have already admitted that you have no proof – invites a SERIOUS lawsuit.
    Can you prove that he was sneaking with a large bag of footballs – uhhh..nope. Can you prove that he deflated the footballs – nope again.
    If the report actually has the wording accusing the person of sneaking into the bathroom and deflating the footballs – that is a lawsuit.

  117. You can drop the Ideal Gas law garbage as clearly someone picked up an 8th grade chemistry book, found a catchy scientific theory and just kept repeating it. Does your car tire lose that much air pressure when the temperature falls 20 degrees over night? No. Does it drop that much when it gets a little wet? No it does not. Ideal Gas Law theory is debunked.

    Now that I’ve proven anyone who uses that theory wrong, let me state, clearly, there is no evidence that Brady cheated. Is there circumstantial evidence? Maybe. But still, there is not enough to pin this on him or even prove that it happened at all. Maybe if the gauges were at least consistent but the NFL couldn’t even get that right. Further, he must really be deflating footballs this year since he is playing out of his mind.

    I am usually on the side of the NFL due to fans wanting to be 100% against “the man” regardless of the facts of the specific case but they’re dead wrong on this one and they’d be wise to just let it go.

  118. Here is what I would love to see as the result of the appeal…

    The Appellate Court determines that Judge Berman’s ruling is upheld in part. He ruling stands AND it is remanded back to Judge Berman for rulings on the points of contention that he failed to rule on during the initial filing (i.e. the Union claim that Goddell cannot be an impartial arbiter, etc.).

    This would be the ultimate fail on the NFL’S side. They would lose the appeal and risk losing Goddell’s ability to hear appeals for all violations of all types and forcing the NFL and the NFLPA into independent arbitration going forward. This would be the absolute best outcome for fans as we would never need to deal with this garbage again.

    Probably too much to ask for, but it would be the best outcome…

  119. Its got to be killing Goodell and the NFL office that Brady is destroying the league under their new football pressurization protocols.

    Bob Kraft, you are in bed with a bunch of fools, is that the price for wealth? Irsay, Grigson, Jerry Jones, Harbaugh, Kensil, Ginger Hammer, these are your friends?

  120. kgun80 asks “how have they [the Patriots] defied mathematic probability and have a win loss record at home that defies all logic? What they have done is not amazing it’s a statistical improbability.”

    Not really. The Patriots home record since 2007 is not disproportionately better than their record when playing on the road.

    When playing on the road, the Patriots won/loss record from 2007 through 2014 is 42 -22. According to sportsradar.us, NFL home teams win 57.3% of the time. So, if the Patriots were an average team, they would win 42.7% of road games producing just 27 wins. With 42 wins over the period in question, the Patriots were 55.6% better than an average team.

    During that same period the Patriots’ home record was 58 – 6. Since NFL teams win 57.3% of home games, if the Patriots were an average team they would have won just 37 games . With 58 home wins, the Patriots were 56.8% better than an average team.

    Here’s the bottom line. The Patriots advantage over the average NFL team (56.8% better at home and 55.6% better on the road) is consistent and insignificant. In other words, the Patriots’ home record is not a statistical improbability.

  121. Pause for a second and think about the millions of dollars the NFL has spent on legal fees over the past 10 months. Anytime the NFL ever pleads that high cost is the reason for not doing something, especially player safety related this should be thrown back at them.

  122. I guess the judges and pats fans ignore the fact that the employee who took the balls to the bathroom, which is against the rules, took them into the bathroom for 90 seconds and actually referred to himself as “THE DEFLATOR” and also talked about serving up watermelons to brady and some other dude saying “MR DEFLATOR” should get some good autographs or something to that affect wil be ignored.

    come on people. are we that stupid. why the nfl did not call these two equipment jokers to the stand is beyond me.

    can any rational patritots fan defend this guy referring to himself as “THE DEFLATOR”

    please explain that. i think that pretty much says it all

    ——————————————————

    Let’s do a little timeline here:

    In May 2014 (middle of the off season) There was ONE text where the part time ball boy called himself the deflator while asking his full time equipment guy to steal him some team shoes.

    He never refers to himself and is never refered to by others as the Deflator.

    The deflator text was so unimportant and outside the scope of the investigation by Wells that he didnt even find it until after the interviews when he had to go dig farther back to find something.

    In October (Week 7 Jets at Pats) Tom Brady bitched out the both ball boys for his balls being too hard. Turns out the refs overinflated them before the game. This is when in venting due to being yelled at that the ball boy mentioned turning the footballs into watermelons

    So for people who argue that this went of for years, he what forgot to do it when the balls were 3 psi above thanks to the refs?

    In January (AFCCG) A 300+ pound guy carrying 2 sacks containing 36 footballs walked past every league official at the game (this guys is bigger then Santa). They said nothing. The NFL has the dude on tape going into the bathroom and if he looked in any way suspicious they would have leaked the footage by now.

  123. This appeal is so pointless it’s comical. A symptom of the disease infecting the NFL. This is all about billionaire owners who are still mad the league went easy on the Patriots for Spy Gate but that boat sailed a long time ago. Greed, hubris and settling old scores mean more to Goodell and these owners than anything else. They’ll destroy the game while telling us the whole time they’re actually trying to save it.

  124. cuns2317 says:
    Anyone who is not a patriot fan think he actually didn’t cheat?
    _____________

    Yes

  125. 315judman says:
    Oct 26, 2015 9:08 PM

    How many dropped passes in Foxboro yesterday? Pats receivers don’t appear to be able to handle the pressure.
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    Edelman has a busted up finger on his right hand. Lafell just came off PUP, practiced only this week, and went straight into the game. That’s 90% of the drops. Have you asserted anything nefarious with other teams and their dropped passes or is it just the Pats? As always, facts (or consistency) don’t matter with you people.

  126. romophobic says:
    Oct 27, 2015 6:21 AM

    You can drop the Ideal Gas law garbage as clearly someone picked up an 8th grade chemistry book, found a catchy scientific theory and just kept repeating it. Does your car tire lose that much air pressure when the temperature falls 20 degrees over night? No. Does it drop that much when it gets a little wet? No it does not. Ideal Gas Law theory is debunked.
    ================
    You call 1.5 PSI “that much”? My tires have gone from 36 PSI to 32 PSI in a Fall week when we get Canadian cold weather. Let me guess, vaccines cause autism, the world is 10,000 years old, and Moses walked with dinosaurs?

  127. If the CBA allows the Commish to do whatever he wants, why would the NFL run to court to affirm their notion? Didn’t sound like they believed their own story.

    Sb 49 win, 6-0, the weenies who started this scam falling apart at the seams, Harbaugh providing the Whine Heard Around the World, Goodell being put in his place, again.

    Best Season Ever 🙂 Don’t even care if the Pats win another SB. They have given this fan more than he ever could have hoped for when he started watching back when Plunkett was still in college, before the Ravens even existed. Good times.

  128. The NFL has lost its soul.

    Those of us who have been around legal briefs know they are loaded up with hyperbole but Goodell is suppose to be lead not only the owners but the whole league, including the players, and the outright lies in that brief bring shame onto him every NFL owner.

    Juxtapose those public statements about Brady with Jerry Jones very public lying to cover up for Greg Hardy and the NFL can be seen as a cabal of billionaire owners that lie as a matter of policy to advance their own personal interests no matter if it harms individuals or the league as a whole.

  129. jackweed says: I guess the judges and pats fans ignore the fact that the employee who took the balls to the bathroom, which is against the rules, took them into the bathroom for 90 seconds and actually referred to himself as “THE DEFLATOR” come on people. are we that stupid. why the nfl did not call these two equipment jokers to the stand is beyond me. can any rational patritots fan defend this guy referring to himself as “THE DEFLATOR” please explain that.
    =============================

    Seriously? For someone who claims to be caught up in what you seem to think is a smoking gun, you can’t take the trouble to google that?

    If you did you’d see there was one text out of thousands where he was referred to like that – in a clearly non-cheating context. Another time someone said “deflate and give someone that sweatshirt” which despite the mocking obviously was a weight loss reference.

    But as has been explained by the Patriots and others his job was TO DEFLATE THE FOOTBALLS when they arrived from Wilson. And then to reinflate them – and then to repeat the process. This is typical game ball prep that sometimes goes on for months prior to a game (google “Eli Manning’s Footballs Months in the Making” to learn about the Giants “Deflator”

    Just because you ignore the simple explanation doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist – nor does it mean the Patriots or their fans are refusing to address what you seem to think is a “smoking gun”

    It just shows that you’re as un-informed and gullible as Goodell and the owners HOPE you are.

    Congratulations

  130. Patriot Hater’s team simply isn’t man enough to put in the work to try and beat the GOAT QB and his team on the field fair and square so they want him to sit and hope their team has a chance that way. That’s the reality.

    How embarrassing. I’d rather cheer for a REAL MAN’s team like the World Champion Patriots than Patriot Hater’s little wussy teams.

    🙂

  131. why the nfl did not call these two equipment jokers to the stand is beyond me.


    Actually… it should not be beyond any intelligent football fan why the NFL wasn’t interested in hearing their story.

    Think about it.

    🙂

  132. romophobic says: You can drop the Ideal Gas law garbage as clearly someone picked up an 8th grade chemistry book, found a catchy scientific theory and just kept repeating it. Does your car tire lose that much air pressure when the temperature falls 20 degrees over night? No. Does it drop that much when it gets a little wet? No it does not. Ideal Gas Law theory is debunked.
    ==============================

    I’d like to mock you – but I think your own post does that quite well

    The Laws of Physics DO exist and the Ideal Gas Law is part of that – nothing you or Goodell says can change that. You’re debating Einstein and God on this one. Good luck with that.

    And unless you are driving on thin pigskin tires, did it not occur to you that the deflation of your tires in the cold (and yes, they do lose air pressure) might be different from a few millimeters of pigskin? Might the pliability and lack of insulation result in a higher degree of deflation in less time?

    I know you don’t know the answer to this so I’ll just give it to you: Yes – footballs and tires DO deflate but cold wet footballs will effectively lose (and regain) air pressure much quicker than a tire of 3/4 inches of rubber

    This 7th grade science course was brought to you by “people with brains” – enjoy

  133. Brady was never cleared of cheating; though no one in New England seems to understand this.

    Judge Berman’s ruling merely asserted the the process was not followed correctly.

    That is where the nfl failed.
    ———————–
    Thanks for summing this up so clearly. The NFL did not go about finding Brady guilty in any remotely legal way, thus they have no proof of guilt to begin with! How you write that and still say it proves guilt just goes to show how much you want to twist logic into a pretzel so you can eat it.

  134. Umm, no. Just because you parrot something incessantly doesn’t make it true. There was no toilet in the room.
    ===
    JFC…

    There was no urinal. There was a toilet. The talking point you should be hitting is that the ball boy said he used the “urinal”, but there wasn’t one. The explanation is that he mixed up his bathrooms.

    I hate it when I have to fix haters arguments for them.

  135. Goodell+Kensil, Gardi, Vincent, etc=Goodfellas

    Where are the psi measurements, Rog’? If they helped your ridiculous case, we’d be hearing about them non-stop!

  136. While Berman was taking gratis for his decision, he forgot to consult all points of the NFL arguements.and determined his own brand of “industrial justice” 🙂 🙂

    CBA and Players Contract give the authority and notice to the player and said punishments. See Ya Tom

    14. RULES.

    Player will comply with and be bound by all reasonable Club rules and regulations in effect during the term of this contract which are not inconsistent with the provisions of this contract or of any collective bargaining agreement in existence during the term of this contract. Player’s attention is also called to the fact that the League functions with certain rules and procedures expressive of its operation as a joint venture among its member clubs and that these rules and practices may affect Player’s relationship to the League and its member clubs independently of the provisions of this contract

    15. INTEGRITY OF GAME.
    Player recognizes the detriment to the League and professional football that would result from impairment of public confidence in the honest and orderly conduct of NFL games or the integrity and good character of NFL players. Player therefore acknowledges his awareness that if he accepts a bribe or agrees to throw or fix an NFL game; fails to promptly report a bribe offer or an attempt to throw or fix an NFL game; bets on an NFL game; knowingly associates with gamblers or gambling activity; uses or provides other players with stimulants or other drugs for the purpose of attempting to enhance on-field performance; or is guilty of any other form of conduct reasonably judged by the League Commissioner to be detrimental to the League or professional football, the Commissioner will have the right, but only after giving Player the opportunity for a hearing at which he may be represented by counsel of his choice, to fine Player in a reasonable amount, to suspend Player for a period certain or indefinitely; and/or to terminate this contract.

  137. Lets not forget the Berman / Kraft relationship conflict of interests:

    a) BOT on a few college boards
    b) Berman’s wife works at another university where Kraft sits on the board.

    c) COA all the way

  138. romophobic says:
    Oct 27, 2015 6:21 AM
    You can drop the Ideal Gas law garbage as clearly someone picked up an 8th grade chemistry book, found a catchy scientific theory and just kept repeating it. Does your car tire lose that much air pressure when the temperature falls 20 degrees over night? No. Does it drop that much when it gets a little wet? No it does not. Ideal Gas Law theory is debunked.

    Now that I’ve proven anyone who uses that theory wrong, let me state, clearly, there is no evidence that Brady cheated. Is there circumstantial evidence? Maybe. But still, there is not enough to pin this on him or even prove that it happened at all. Maybe if the gauges were at least consistent but the NFL couldn’t even get that right. Further, he must really be deflating footballs this year since he is playing out of his mind.

    I am usually on the side of the NFL due to fans wanting to be 100% against “the man” regardless of the facts of the specific case but they’re dead wrong on this one and they’d be wise to just let it go.
    ——————–
    I appreciate the fact that you can see that the NFL has no case; but, as to the IGL–think of it in reverse. Have you ever gone on a long trip driving on highways at high speeds for a couple of hours? The advice you get before you go is ‘let a little air out of your tires’, why? Because the friction of driving like that raises the temperature of the air in your tires….and increases the psi of them. So while the rubber of your tires, insulates the air in them more then the covering on a football insulates the air in it…..it’s the same IGL. I live in Massachusetts, leave a ball outside on a fall day for a few hours and you’d better have a pump.

  139. patstipoftheiceberg says:
    Oct 27, 2015 10:42 AM
    Lets not forget the Berman / Kraft relationship conflict of interests:

    a) BOT on a few college boards
    b) Berman’s wife works at another university where Kraft sits on the board.

    c) COA all the way
    —————-
    If there is, in fact, a relationship between Kraft and Berman, the NFL was remiss in not asking for him to recuse himself. The fact is, there was none. Berman’s wife works at another university where Kraft sits on the board? That’s lame. I have a cousin who works at the Pentagon….I don’t have access to the Joint Chiefs! Reaching!!!!

  140. patstipoftheiceberg says:
    Oct 27, 2015 10:40 AM
    While Berman was taking gratis for his decision, he forgot to consult all points of the NFL arguements.and determined his own brand of “industrial justice” 🙂 🙂

    CBA and Players Contract give the authority and notice to the player and said punishments. See Ya Tom

    ——————–
    He didn’t forget. Leaving those points out of his judgement was entirely deliberate. First, he ruled on the most “appeal proof arguments”–the Appeals court will not reverse his ruling, if they did, they would remand it back to him which is where those other points come in. Berman says, okay, you didn’t like my first ruling, I’ll rule on these points. Another appeal or two, Brady is retired (even if he does last the 10 years he wants to). Your argument about the CBA is then a Moot point.

  141. thundersnacker says:
    Oct 27, 2015 10:13 AM
    Brady was never cleared of cheating; though no one in New England seems to understand this.

    Judge Berman’s ruling merely asserted the the process was not followed correctly.

    That is where the nfl failed.
    ——————
    That’s all Berman was supposed to do. Rule on the process; but, he went out of his way to say “There is no evidence that Mr. Brady deflated footballs or that he asked anyone else to deflate footballs”. So while he could not rule on Brady’s guilt or innocence, he was making it quite clear how he would have ruled on it had he had the power to.

  142. The texts! The texts! Oh you’re referring to the texts that were reported absent time stamps? The ones they pieced together, completely out of context, and as if they were one right after the other? Specifically the text about “having a lot of pressure to get them done” which, if you read the actual conversation, was in reference to getting tickets for someone?

    How about he texts after the Jet game from JJ to his wife stating the balls are supposed to be at 13? What reason would JJ have to lie to his wife about PSI? Oh but yes yes it’s some long standing scheme.

    And yes, you knuckleheads, air expands and contracts in proportion with temperature. That is scientific fact and simply not debateable. Every time you try to say other wise is hilariously desperate and sad.

  143. The NFL says that 90 seconds was enough time for one Patriots equipment manager to enter a bathroom, unload 12 footballs from a bag, deflate each one, put them all back in the bag and exit the bathroom.

    But four officials working together with a 12 minute halftime were only able to measure (not deflate, just measure) 4 of 12 Colts footballs before they ran out of time.

    And yet they still want you to believe it’s more likely that he was doing just that, rather than taking a leak before the start of the game.

    Madness.

    ________________________

    90 seconds. Dude isn’t washing his hands properly. Which means that Tom Brady’s game balls probably have pee on them.

    And for those who are getting technical about the Ideal Gas Law, think of it like the Law Of Cosines relative to the Pythagorean Theorem. It’s a similar relationship, and that should nail it down for you.

  144. boogerhut says:
    Oct 26, 2015 9:01 PM

    The ideal gas law applies to perfect gasses. Perfect as in follows all laws considered in the applicable laws that are used to determine the equation for the “ideal gas law”. The air we breathe is not A gas but a mixture of gasses and thereby in no way qualifies as a perfect gas making the “ideal gas law” inaccurate for these discussions. Those are facts. Don’t let the facts keep you from parroting fancy terms that simply don’t apply.
    =================================
    =================================

    you have a point, however…

    ‘all this being equal’ is a leap of faith you have to deal with as far as ambient temperature, pressure, volume and the mixture of gasses. totally accurate numbers are not possible–and the human error of not adequately controlling the conditions of the readings makes it more inaccurate, which makes the whole exercise a bit pointless. to me, either the pressure falls within predictions of the ideal gas law, + OR -, or it doesn’t.

    …and i really couldn’t care anyway. teams have been cheating since rules were made, and this violation, if it even occurred, is a minor one, not worthy of suspension. 6-0 now, 19-0 after the SB is played.

  145. boogerhut says:
    Oct 27, 2015 1:41 AM
    mmack66 says:
    Oct 26, 2015 11:06 PM
    boogerhut says:
    Oct 26, 2015 10:13 PM

    Wouldn’t you choose a room with a toilet then or do you just open a door and let’er rip? Oh yeah, inconvenient fact… no toilet.
    —————————-

    It was a bathroom. Of course there was a toilet.

    Umm, no. Just because you parrot something incessantly doesn’t make it true. There was no toilet in the room.
    ——————–
    Seriously? You’re saying that the bathroom doesn’t have a toilet? Don’t you think that as incompetent as the NFL and their attorneys are, they’d have put that in their briefs? The controversy is that McNally said he used the urinal and there was no urinal, only a toilet…..but it has been known to happen that in a pinch men can use one of those to do their business…..like in every home in America.

  146. dropped below 32 today. tire pressure dropped.
    Soccer ball on the lawn…flat.
    Nature is out of control!!!

    that a normal human doesn’t know this shocks me.

    OK discounting the ‘ideal’ gas law is kind of hilarious.
    You do need to adjust for ‘real’ gas of course, which in the size of a football and the pressure will have a negligible difference with ideal. OF course the average pump is going to give you our air–78% Nitrogen, oxygen and water vapor. Not a pure substance.
    Sure I guess you could drill down into molecular size, the exact composition of what the air inside the ball, to completely accurately figure out the super exact state of a football, or tire, or soccer ball, but the numbers will be so minimal as to not matter for the sake of the discussion. Then add in the effects of water vapor to temperature changes…oh boy.
    If the NFL cares…here is a hint. Use nitrogen. There will be less differentiation in pressure v temperature. Racers have known this for a long time. Why is this? Right the Ideal Gas Law and the laws of thermodynamics.
    SCIENCE!

  147. Putting putting aside what fan of what team you are or what’s your favorite team or who you hate and who you don’t hate Tom Brady is not a cheater Roger Goodell is a POS and cannot give up on trying to make himself in the NFL look better by winning an appeal the facts and what people were told on ESPN and in the media are two totally different things they made the Patriots and the organization look bad when there was no evidence what pissed off Roger Goodell was that Brady would not give up his text messages and emails that created a witch hunt which interned created hate towards Brady and towards the Patriots organization as a whole when its on founded people here I posted the fax the facts are there and before you go and say all Tom Brady’s a cheater the Patriots cheat yeah Spygate okay give you that but even Joe Montana said if you’re not cheating you’re not trying to win people all throughout the NFL cheat put stuff on their jerseys used to use stickam on their gloves so as far as Brady having anything to do with the floating balls no not not true at all stop people need to stop jumping on the hate train when someone does something wrong find out the information for yourself so you can make your own judgement not ok I’m going to jump in with the crowd and just hate because hating ZZ try something difficult for the first time in your life and go with the truth go what’s with reality and go with what’s right Tom Brady is not a cheater he will be in Canton one day he is a Hall of Fame quarterback and he kicks butt at the QB position he is the man and that’s coming from somebody who’s not even a Patriots fan amen to that

  148. “It struck at the heart of the game’s integrity and the public’s confidence in the NFL’s on-field product.”

    Don’t drag us into this Rog. We all would prefer this finally go away. Our confidence in YOU however continues to deteriorate.

  149. I don’t understand. They told Judge Berman that they didn’t have any evidence that it happened.

    So now they are saying that it did happen, but they’ve already told the judge they don’t have evidence…

    Ummmmm… what?

  150. eljefedelmundo says:
    Oct 26, 2015 9:13 PM
    Maybe suspend him the Last 4 games of the season?

    That would be fitting

    ______________________________________

    Suspend Goodell? I heartily agree

  151. Goodell could make even Pats fans agree with the decision to appeal this case…release the psi data you’ve collected so far this year….if the games played in cold, rainy weather aren’t down like they were for the AFCCG, as a Pats fan, I say appeal…..if they are down, will you as the commissioner of the entire league (including the Patriots) issue Mr. Kraft that apology he asked for? Fair’s fair…..integrity and all that.

  152. sueb45 says:
    Oct 27, 2015 3:20 PM

    Goodell could make even Pats fans agree with the decision to appeal this case…release the psi data you’ve collected so far this year….if the games played in cold, rainy weather aren’t down like they were for the AFCCG, as a Pats fan, I say appeal…..if they are down, will you as the commissioner of the entire league (including the Patriots) issue Mr. Kraft that apology he asked for? Fair’s fair…..integrity and all that.
    ————————-

    Not a Pats fan, but even if I were, at this point, I wouldn’t believe anything that came out of the league office. They’ve proven themselves to be nothing but duplicitous time and time again throughout this whole affair.

  153. When Boss Goodell loses this round, he should just skip the Supreme Court and go right to Judge Judy.

  154. The NFL chose the wrong case to try and make a point. All the legal analysis I’ve seen openly mocks this filing. (Note: I stopped watching anything on ESPN months ago, so if Lester “Disservice to humanity” Munson chimed in, I don’t care).

    Black Sox? 6 games because it was like a masking agent? It doesn’t matter if we’re right it just has to be plausible? Not more likely than not, not probably, not generally aware, but “plausible” – uh, sure. Quite the legal standard there.

    They keep trotting out the CBA as if they’re not the ones who violated it. Sure, keep hammering away on it, Berman did his homework and knew the NFL made a mockery of the CBA that was negotiated. The players foolishly gave Goodell too much power and the buffoon STILL overstepped his authority in violation of federal law.

    Kessler is laughing his ass off writing the response to this.

  155. boogerhut says:
    Oct 26, 2015 10:13 PM

    Wouldn’t you choose a room with a toilet then or do you just open a door and let’er rip? Oh yeah, inconvenient fact… no toilet.
    —————————-
    Can’t believe you could be this ignorant. From the Wells Report: “The bathroom measures approximately 9 feet by 9 feet. It has a single toilet near the back right corner (if one is standing in the doorway and facing into the bathroom), and a single sink directly across from the door.”

  156. iamapatsfan says:
    Oct 27, 2015 1:34 PM
    I don’t understand. They told Judge Berman that they didn’t have any evidence that it happened.

    So now they are saying that it did happen, but they’ve already told the judge they don’t have evidence…

    Ummmmm… what?
    ———————————————————-
    The confusion arises from failing to distinguish between direct evidence and circumstantial evidence. Judge Berman asked specifically about direct evidence, not just evidence in general. Nash answered that there was no direct evidence, but insisted that the circumstantial evidence was significant.

  157. …..and someone will still have to explain to me; (even assuming Brady may have been involved in ball tampering in the AFCCG; why Andrew Luck and the Colts weren’t similarly investigated ?

    The Colts balls were also deflated after all…….

    …..also; after this entire off-season of all this ‘deflategate’ BS, we’ll shortly be discovering the results of all the ball pressure tests performed by an independent organisation over the first half of this season……

    No, didn’t think so……

  158. tbone4444 says:
    Oct 26, 2015 10:35 PM
    Everyone outside of NE knows the Patriots have cheated for years, the ideal gas law does not apply in any way, shape or form. There are too many unknown variables to even apply it in this instance, to imply otherwise is ridiculous. It is clear that the Patriots cheated, the evidence, while all circumstantial, is ample….

    ——————
    If by “cheated for years” you mean have been pummeling your team then you are correct. Other than that, how about you enumerate all of the “cheating” the Patriots have been doing all these years. Here’s your chance little guy….let’s hear it.

  159. The judge had no authority to make any ruling based on guilt or innocence or reasonable cause. The judge has made himself a super commissioner by interferering. The only rulling he was permitted to make was that Goodell’s actions were arbitrary and capricious. If he acted in an arbitrary and capricious manner then he could make a ruling overturning the decision under the 5th and or the 14th amendments. Goodell and the NFL are allowed to make good or bad decisions as long as they are not arbitrary or capricious.

  160. suolocoo says: The judge had no authority to make any ruling based on guilt or innocence or reasonable cause. The only rulling he was permitted to make was that Goodell’s actions were arbitrary and capricious.
    ===================================

    Which of course is exactly what Berman did and cites clearly in his decision.

    And to illustrate how arbitrary and capricious Goodell’s actions were Berman even had the NFL admit on the record they had no evidence the footballs were deflated or tampered with. If that’s not a very clear “not guilty” I don’t know what is.

    Even if a CBA grants added authority to management that doesn’t absolve management from a baseline requirement to be fair and follow due process.

    It’s a dubious legal argument to suggest that any CBA grants management the authority to fabricate charges and punish without fair due process – but that’s what the NFL is now asserting.

    Good luck with that Roger

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